The Musical Revolution We Need Right Now
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- In this episode I discuss the common DNA of Seattle Grunge bands including Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Alice In Chains. Featuring the music of the new Supergroup "3rd Secret" which includes members of Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam.
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I was barely 10 years old when Smells Like Teen Spirit magically appeared on my tv. My jaw dropped. I pleaded to my parents to buy me a guitar. Thank the music gods because they did, that Christmas. Music, as I had known it was transformed forever and subsequently my life as I knew it was transformed forever. I’ve never looked back.
😎🙌 Same story!
you will never get music revolution because music is done, there is nothing to revolutionize.. you all wanted jz and fayz lol you wanted that thing so you are stuck with it lol
@@michelleper5065 huh? I don't know what you're trying to say.
@@bealezebub513 i am saying that the only way to go back to 2000's 90's 80's is to literally get a time machine, you will never have another nirvana or another kate bush,, never ever!
@@michelleper5065 I understand that. My original comment wasn't saying anything about that though.
I grew up in Seattle and was in my 20s during grunge. Preceding grunge, there was a scene that really tried hard in Seattle, with various bands like the Allies trying to make it in the pop rock of the 1980s and getting minor success with it. Of course, Heart had come out of Seattle, so their success was always hanging around as a lure, except they were so supernaturally good, it may also have been a deterrent, and Hendrix had come from Seattle, but he didn't make it here of course, and musicians generally thought they would have to leave Seattle to get famous. Heart broke in the late 1970s, and so were thought of being the previous generation, but they helped grunge get a foothold in many ways.
Seattle was full of people who wanted to consider themselves off the program, and thus celebrated the punk of the UK, and its warped version in the USA, which got zero mainstream attention but was pretty tenacious. Everyone had grown up on Van Halen in the late 70s and early 80s, but saw what came after in LA as copyist of VH and thus found it sadly stupid and hated the entire pay-for-play and manufactured looks model (though they then picked another look, but it was a helluva lot less work also of course). Punk rock, was stuck eternally underground during the Reagan years, which was the real root of the cynicism of grunge.
It was bands like the Clash, Pistols, Damned, Killing Joke and the Pixies, as well as the success of RHCP and Jane's Addiction, that gave grunge musicians their motivation to do what they wanted, not what would get them a big label deal in LA. They also had grown up on Boston, Cheap Trick, Black Sabbath and Zeppelin and the result was an amalgam of both movements. Also, someone decided to finally slow down punk rock, but keep the aesthetic and attitude, which was very wide ranging. In fact, punk rock and new wave was much broader culturally than grunge ever was. All these bands were played on a couple of local radio stations that became the locus of local music tastes, and then eventually, of locally produced music as well. KCMU at the UW and Sub Pop really got the ball rolling, although it was ironically more mainstream producer teams and mixers that actually put Seattle music on the international airwaves. Fact is, grunge getting famous was kind of the end of the original Seattle that spawned the movement.
If you're ever in a scene that turns like that, you see some pretty cynical things go down, from all the bands touted as the next big thing, to the city becoming a dumping ground for heroin dealers (although those times look mild compared to today).
The Seattle factor beyond the weather was the fact the city was cheap and full of almost-free rentals where bands could play and where endless house parties were thrown. Landlords couldn't be picky about tenants because the city was not wealthy before Microsoft hit. Boeing was a cyclical employer and boomed and busted. It was also a time period when people still cared about records and music and people thought they could at least get a minor career in music like the underground bands of the 80s had. Music was literally one of the only entertaining things to do, and, as always, a way to impress the maximum number of ladies and be a big man around town. You used to actually have to get famous in person, not online!
These were all factors in what made grunge. However, Cobain was from Aberdeen, not Seattle, Jerry Cantrell was from Pierce County, and Eddie Vedder was from CA. Dave Grohl, of course, was also another import. This was kind of ironic since many bands that actually originated among native Seattleites didn't become famous outside of town, other than Soundgarden and Mudhoney.
Beyond it being a period before computers where video games were seen as children's games, and music still being the huge touchstone of youth culture, the big factor in grunge was the cheap rents, something you will not find in Seattle in 2022. Big movements start where there is a lot of culture in a city that is still affordable. This was part of what made London explode in the 1960s as well, that and the fact they had tons of state art and music schools that were graduating artists by the truckload.
I missed many of the seminal moments in the scene, as did most people on the outside but caught some (no one ever expected Seattle to generate something mainstream). I managed to see a lot of the moments where a music scene goes to hell, though, with people leveraging to be the next big thing, which happened with one band that kind of killed the movement as they made it to fame. There was a real too cool for school factor at times. In fact, the best song of late grunge was called 'I guess I'm just not cool enough for Seattle' which I still have trouble locating. There were girls around at the time who would look at you like 'don't you know who I'm dating', people ranting about the band on stage being the next one that was going to go the distance etc.
So to address the original theme of this video, what's needed for music movements is a crowd of people growing up loving music, playing music, and then affordable space, time and maybe even government support for the arts (socialism!) like they had in 60s London, since that city generated far more bands than Seattle did over a longer period. Good luck finding either in the Sparta that is America in 2022 just like you won't find it in insanely overpriced modern London either. Georgia, TX and the Midwest had their scenes as well. I find it hilarious that Smashing Pumpkins, Collective Soul, Tool and STP and many other great bands from the 90s get less credit, since I would put them in the mix with the Seattle bands, and these other bands often brought things to the table Seattle bands didn't. I could understand people thinking it was all....OVERBLOWN.
That's really what did it, just like in the late 60s and 70s and 80s, labels supporting GOOD SONGS primarily, more than divas or tough posers. Let the songwriters and players do their thing and let producers and DJs to see who gets famous, not the image marketers.
We've been suffering under this domination of people telling us who we have to respect, even though they suck, for a while now. None of the major music stars seems to get un-famous anymore, no matter what garbage they release.
Cantrell spent a fair amount of time in Tacoma?
Grunge killed diversity. It was mostly a movement pionered by labels, the ones who can say something is "Alternative" or "Indie" while at the same time being supported by big record labels and sounding in MTV and Big Radio Stations. Then you can sell fashion and sell a life style. There is nothing more fake than a rockstar selling "being real". Thats why Kurt died, he couldnt stand being the head of a fake movement.
During the 80s you had, glam, heavy and trash metal, along with new wave, hardcore, smooth jazz, etc. In the 90s you had Grunge and "Alternative" Rock.
And music was a huge touchstone for kids in the 2000 and in the 2010, its what tou lisent to make your Pearl Jam loving parents mad. The moment adults relate to youngsters music then is when music dies. And today too many parents love Rock music
And what the hell videogames have to do about this? I guess you dont know about Grant Kirkhope, Gareth Coker or Yoko Shimomura. Videgame has probably better music than movies at this point. Boomers are the ones unable to lisent to games music. Of course that makes the music better for young people.
@@AndyThomas_mrblitz I thought Cantrell was from Eastern WA. Wikipedia prob knows.
Rest In Peace Layne, Kurt, Chris Shannon, Scott and many more. This was a beautiful time. Salute to Eddie.
Also Chester Bennington
@@rohithkumarsp Chester* Bennington
Agree!! 👍👍💙💛
Eddie is the lamest.
And Andy
The revolution we need will certainly not be a rehash of past hits. It'll be a counterpoint to whatever pop culture is shoving down our throats and I almost certainly will hate everything about it or they will be doing it wrong. In order to be a true revolution, Nick, it will HAVE to make us both go "get off my lawn", bro.
It’ll be someone who’s influenced by 100 gecs or like one of those drumless rappers
you dont understand, for them to be the counter culture they have to counter... yknow culture. and if you want rock to do that, it wont sound like something youd like, you are the culture to be countered. you are the traditions to be broken.
people like you are a part of the problem, you think if anyone makes something that sounds like grunge they’re trying to bring back past hits. People like you hold back metal
There's great music going on all the time but mostly it goes unnoticed because there is no longer single or small number of sources for it's promotion and for people getting exposure to it. In the old days it was radio or MTV. Now it's the internet. Problem is there's so much on the internet, you can't find the bands you'd like. The stuff promoted by the big companies is what you find first. You can dig a bit and you'll find something, but not everything. It's too big a pond now. It's like Where's Waldo out there. Who the hell knows? I don't see him.
Who is "Nick?"
That second song had a real Jeff Buckley-y tone to it. As someone in the UK the Seattle music scene speaks to my soul - grungey, grey, mizzley sludge is simply perfection
I was thinking the same thing!
Ditto
Seattle soul connected to
North west UK sound soul directed;
Few grand schemers get you. Hectic overgrowing garden sound.
Fist clenched; teeth ground.
Lost and recovered in
Nirvana, mana.
Darkened windows, grey cloud passing.
Goosebumped neck and
Belly laughing.
Reminded me of Lilac Wine
The beginning reminds me the song So Real
Maybe you should hear seasons from the soundtrack singles?
As a guy in his teenage years when Grunge was big I still listen to a lot of these bands....especially AIC!! greetings from Amsterdam, mr Beato!!
Yeah Stayley's voice is something else on those records
Same here, but from Brazil. :) and now living in seattle.
Yes, yes it does
@@Philip_Taylor
Love Staley’s voice, but after I started playing music myself, I suddenly realized how many great vocals, where Layne is higher in the mix, still has Jerry harmonizing with him.
They had such a difference in approach, and it just complimented their sound so well, with how songs were written.
Also, they were excellent acoustic players, from the start.
@@CorbCorbin their harmonies were phenomenal. AIC still uses them, but they just aren’t the same without Staley’s power and darkness.
All respect to Rick’s fans that, despite their love and respect for him, are rightfully saying that the revolution needs to come from fresh new bands, and won’t ever come from what is, at best, a nostalgia-satisfying supergroup.
I think that the 2010s was a revolution in music production technology and electronic instruments. It made it easier for anyone to create their own music even if they didn't have access to the best equipment. This was awesome because it meant that a kid with a nice voice or a guitar or a digital keyboard could do a lot and didn't need a record deal.
The problem was that this created an ocean of content and, in the age of social media and streaming services, music was no longer a cure to boredom: boredom was no longer a thing. So people needed shock value to get heard. Think Lizzo (who is legitimately talented) being crazy on social media. Or Cardi B singing about soaking wet felines.
The other problem was that music production tools allowed us to suck the soul out of music. Autocorrect and quantise just stole a lot of the character that our previous classic artists had.
So, my prediction here is that people are going to eventually get sick of this overproduced music and want something a bit more real and dirty. It's a pendulum swing away from the world of today, which is not dissimilar to the rise of grunge as a reaction against hair metal and glam rock.
But I guess we'll see how things go. . .
I second that prediction! ✌🏼
So if people are tired of produced music the revolution will be... a return to barbershop! Thank God, Hardcore Barbershop is long overdue
You are right on the mark. That ocean of varying quality lowered the bar substantionaly , people seem to impressed with simple beats when really they are just on beat, which aren't hard make especially with all the technology that auto corrects the bpm and etc, but I think it's just a real lack of passion in music, same goee with other industries, its all about the money and getting as much profit as possible it seems like
@@bubbafug00gle51 Isn't that what billie Eilish does kinda?
@@nicholasn.2883 Uh, nope. Duh
Growing up in the 70s as a teenager, heavy rock and punk were in my DNA. When I heard grunge for the first time I thought it sounded really 'funny'. People seem to forget just how different it seemed at the time. But of course i was quick to become a huge fan. Glad I saw Nirvana live among others.
Same as you, 70s teenager, and I thought the same about grunge, except I thought it was utter rubbish then and still do! The start of music becoming worse and worse - and that downwards trend is still going on 30 years later!
Neil Young and Crazy Horse are considered proto grunge
@@cl5619 oh, I consider them better-than-grunge myself
My 15-year-old has saturated our world with music when he couldn't care less just a couple of years ago. Your voice, through his dad, has guided his musical journey. Seeing him branch out and away from his dad's favorite bands has been an unexpected joy. He rapidly cycled through the 90's grunge offerings, pausing to be moody with Cobain much like I did with Morrison at his age. Where he found inspiration was 90's hip-hop and rap. For the first time in my life, he has me turning the channel from James Hetfield, Maynard James Keenan, and Pete Loeffler to spend time with Tupac, The Notorious B.I.G., Common, and Dre. I am thankful he has a critical ear and is looking for music that sounds good to him AND is good. On his own, he found David Bowie, Fleetwood Mac, and Radio Head. He wrote out his list of the top 100 artists because he didn't like Rolling Stone's list. If you ever wanted to interview an emerging music critic about what makes a song great, what is wrong or write about today's music, or make him defend his list, let us know. What an amazing time to live with so much music available all at the same time!
That's amazing
These guys definitely are not the next revolution. They're a tribute to the last one.
Agreed, and a very short lived one that was very bad for rock music and left cultural destruction and apathy in it's wake IMO, took a lot of it's artists with it. Surprised he went here, NO MORE TRENDS, Rick....there's room for all.
@@youvsyou945 you must have been at a different gig.
@@youvsyou945 Grunge was rock’s mayfly. Lasted not very long, but left its mark and was beautiful while it lasted. To me, it was the golden age of rock.
Rick isn't suggesting this band is the next revolution; he's pointing to the last revolution embodied by this band and saying another revolution is needed. Since the early 2000s the material conditions of music production and consumption have changed - in my opinion, this has rendered the chances of another "revolution" and reinvention unlikely. Check out the videos by Mark Fisher to understand why.
@@youvsyou945 if you took cultural destruction and apathy from grunge .... see your doctor if you need some help .
I’ve always had a weird relationship with the city of Seattle, and counterintuitively, it’s made me appreciate grunge even more.
I grew up in Santa Cruz, California but when I was 14 my family moved up to Seattle- a move which 14 year old me very much resented. I was a typical California kid, I was going into high school, I loved surfing and skating, I didn’t want to leave all my friends… all the typical stuff. And then when we got to Seattle, at the time, it seemed even worse than I expected. It was this dark, gloomy place, I didn’t fit in at all, I got bullied, I found it extremely hard to make friends.. I felt like even my teachers at school and my coaches and teammates on t baseball and football teams were very cold and dismissive towards “this new kid” didn’t feel like I identified with the culture there, and I started getting depressed, acting out and the first couple of years were honestly a pretty traumatic time. Later into high school, and after high school, I started to kind of get more comfortable and the resentment for the city of Seattle started to go away, and now as an adult, I can appreciate the city for what it is and I don’t hold any of the negative feelings towards it that I did as a teenager. But still, there remains this bad taste that I can’t quite get out of my mouth. I think subconsciously, the city still reminds me of this traumatic, difficult time in my life and even as an adult I’ve never quite been able to get over it. I’ve since moved away from Seattle, but when I go back to see my friends or parents, I still often find myself immediately slipping into a really negative and resentful mindset almost immediately. And something about the darkness and cynicism of grunge gives me some kind of consolation, because I feel like if you talked to a lot of grunge artists from Seattle, they’d tell you similar things. That they have this weird love hate relationship with their town, and they can’t quite place it but there exists this strange resentment, but simultaneously strong emotional ties which creates for just a bizarre, unexplainable balancing act, and that attitude comes through in the music.
It’s strange, because you’d think that I’d reject grunge, being that it’s so tightly linked with a place that I have this weird, resentful attitude towards, but it actually makes me feel better & less resentful. It’s a really bizarre phenomenon. I dunno
I've never been to Seattle but just reading about the city, there is this phenomenon called the 'Seattle Freeze'. the residents say it doesnt exist but it seems like most people who move there say it definately exists. sounds like what you experienced
Rick, in less than one minute you've given the most concise, but most detailed and revealing, description of the musical elements of grunge I've ever heard.
Theres always something to relate to in grunge. It humanizes music. It was the most realistic rock scene imo. So much of real life themes that many of us go through. Its the connection that the bands had with the fans that made it great! They were all every-men. They were all just like us.
Death Grips were MY (and a lot of others') 'musical revolution'. They gave me the same musical feelings as I did when I heard Nirvana as a young teenager in 2012 - the angst, the feeling of belonging and the ability to relate to whatever the hell was being said all spoke to me, just like Nirvana did earlier.
Same here
Agreed, experimental hip hop artists like Death Grips, Injury Reserve and JPEGMAFIA, hyperpop, and all the amazing experimental rock bands coming out of the "Windmill scene" in the UK right now (Black Midi, Black Country New Road, Squid etc.) represent the true musical revolution of this generation. Like how grunge was a reaction agaisnt overblown arena rock, this type of music I feel like is a reaction against how suffocatingly minimalist mainstream rap and pop have become. The next grunge I feel will be music that embraces a general sense of maximalism.
I had that recently with the band cotizen
Citizen*
Gay
Speaking of weather influencing music, for their size and population, Sweden and Finland have an insane amount of incredible metal. They consistently put out world class metal, and have since the early 90s. I'm sure weather, mood and the culture of these countries play a part.
And they have the forests, for the videos.
Also on that topic, I guess it makes sense that Florida is considered the home of American Death Metal - considering the popularity of "Florida Man" 😂
I'm sorry for being picky, but when you say weather aren't you actually thinking about the changing seasons, and specifically the long dark periods of Winter? Because honestly, I don't think the weather is worse here than many other places in the world.
if you look at a lot of black metal lyrics and album covers, you'll notice the forest and the winter comes up a lot.
Can Middle East’s hot dry humid weather influence great music too?
Great video. Having grown up in Seattle - there is a practical aspect of having dark/rainy weather - it keeps you inside, and what better to do inside than create art/music. Artists in Seattle have always supported other artists - it was never viewed as a competition. That's why all the people in bands would support each other's projects.
Absolutely. Same in Van BC and Portland. Seattle bécame gruesome with the media attention. I left in 1993. Have visited, but mostly go to Vancouver and Montréal, as Murica is...well, what It Is. Seattle gave us good music programs in schools, fine painters, and quirky composers and improv groups. Thèse things I retain and remember. You canhave the hipsters.
Yup 👍
I hate the sun!! lol I always tell my wife, when the suns out, what am I suppose to do, go out and play FREESBEE ?? lol
Basically Seattle is the US' answer to Liverpool or Manchester (again the northwest) in the UK.
Born and raised PNW and I still remember hearing Smells Like Teen Spirit for the first time or when I got Soundgarden’s Superunknown for my 13th birthday. Grunge was the perfect gateway genre into the heavier sounds of punk and metal.
Yes! The 3rd Secret album is absolutely excellent.
I think the revolution should be a new type of "sound"
Maybe with melody's of the past but it should overall be a new type of experience to listen to
Melodies
This seems to fit that description.
I'm a child of the 70s. I lost interest in most of the rock in the 80s - the hair bands did nothing for me. But grunge brought me back to rock. Great era!
Me too!!
Aside from a few one offs, a lot of my favorite '80s bands had roots in the '70s: Judas Priest, Talking Heads, The Police, then REM, who barely missed the decade, and U2. But Hair Metal just strangled the real out of rock. "Grunge" was the weigh station arena rock pulled into and parked for 10+ years before getting back on the road again.
My mom who loved 60s and 70s rock didn’t like the whole glam rock thing but she did like grunge, I remember.
The 90s was a great rebound from the 80s when rock and roll was pretty much snuffed out and replaced by pretentious bouncy dance pop
Interesting. I was born in 1975, had my first musical shock around the age of five (when listening to Led Zeppelin II) and so, was twenty in 1995... And I can't stand Grunge and modern Rock for that matter! XD
To me, Rock died at the end of the 70s, when it lost its Blues roots I guess.
To each their own!
My favorite era of Rock. Can't wait to see your Seattle interviews Rick!
92 was my freshman year in college. Lucky me. Hard to believe these bands ended up having such an impact on so many. I keep looking for new good music and there is some out there but some of the older classic stuff makes it hard to appreciate the new stuff
I love that we live in a time where even younger generations that didnt grow up in the 90s are realizing how beautiful, organic, and authentic the music was then and want to follow in those footsteps! defintely going to check this band out. they sound awesome!
im 13 and i've recently created a band with my friends and we dont know what genre to do but we all like rock music
@@pietrolapera3008 can't go wrong with sludge metal
There's a lot more to Seattle than just grunge. Quincy Jones' formative years were spent in Seattle. Hendrix grew up there and played his earliest gigs as a teenager there. Punk/shock rock icons The Mentors came from there in the mid 70s, not to mention hard rock and metal acts like Heart, Queensryche, Metal Church etc.
Also I think any discussion of Seattle music has to mention David Kyle - a world renown vocal instructor whose students included Ann Wilson, Geoff Tate, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell and Ronny Munroe among many others.
Don't forget the Sonics (the Witch!!), so groundbreaking.
The Ventures, The Kingsmen, and Ray Charles cut his first single and made his first radio and TV appearances in Seattle.
@@EightPieceBox Merrilee Rush
Plus the weather isn't nearly as bad as people are told. Nice summers, and the winters are very mild. Yeah, they're gray but try growing up in the Northeast and dealing with bone=chilling cold and mountains of snow. Compared to that Seattle winters are a cake walk.
The Band Heart was formed in Seattle in 1967.
I'm so happy for Krist Novoselic that he is back in business!🔥🔥🔥
He's a super nice and humble down to earth guy too- which makes him even cooler!
No more standing on escalators!
I moved here to Seattle in 89. I love that we have all been enjoying different strains of artistic alchemy for the last 30 years +/-
I hope 3rd Secret continues to grow and evolve. Really love this short clip Rick! Thank You :)
In 3rd Secret I hear a bit of the past mixed with the present. I'm just glad that the artists that are left from the grunge period continue to create new music.
I'll never get tired of 90s Seattle rock! Out of the big four my favorite is Soundgarden, but I also want to give a shout-out to Screaming Trees. Sweet Oblivion and Dust are indispensable albums.
I'm still stuck with Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots ;)
Later I very much enjoyed Bush, though not very original the sound is appealing to me.
I had Bush's album in the 90s but haven't listened to it since. You've inspired me to give it a spin
Trees rule. Totally underrated🤘
@@astronausea4852 Please do!
Sixteen Stone (their first) is probably the best album, but the subsequent albums also contain gems like 'Swallowed', 'The Chemicals Between Us', '40 Miles from the Sun' (so good) and 'Out of this World'.
To me they sound like a more sophisticated follow-up to the melodic wall of sound that Hüsker Dü used to make.
Don't you just love how Rick leads us back to the music we love(d) and introduces something new and exciting at the same time?
Horrible! But then again I started on the Beatles then moved on to Queen’s News of The World. Then on to The Smiths. So there’s that.
I’ve lived in the Suburbs of Seattle my whole life. I understand absolutely what you’ve shared in this video Rick. I’m a musician, I have been my whole life practically. Influenced heavily by pain I write also. I’m super grateful for the discovery of 3rd Secret. Pain is something I’ve experienced in every life of local musicians I’ve been blessed to listen/work with here in the PNW. Love this video so much, it’s incredible!
I love the honesty of grunge music. It's not trying to be cool, like other rock; it's not trying to be *not* cool, like punk; it's just trying to sound good.
Thanx Mr Beato, for turning me on to some new music!!
“Hype!” Is a great documentary that covered the Seattle scene in the 90’s. Special place and it was a special time. There are some great new bands today, but I’m not sure if I see a scene like this that breaks into the mainstream ever happening again.
Post Punk scene that’s happening currently in the UK is absolutely beautiful. Shame, Dry Cleaning, Goat Girl, IDLES, blackmidi, Black Country, Squid. It’s not radio mainstream but the waves their hitting are spectacular. Sometimes you just have to look a little harder to find the good stuff.
It'll never happen again. Until people completely quit teaching guitar and stop playing electric music of now and the past, guitar will become an antique/vintage unknown thing in the future which is _when_ kids will _discover_ this new old thing and try to teach themselves with it. That's 30 years from now. 30 years ago we didn't know about a fucking iPod let alone a USB port which powers the download/upload process of anything electronic and portable designed to communicate with a computer/PC. The future will suck, but embrace and endure it. We do not need _new_ music anymore. People should do what they want, and what I want to do is not listen to today's music because I cannot relate to it and it's too far removed from anything that stands and has stood the test of time. I wish people would be honest and just give up on today's music and let it play itself out. All people do now is listen to Spotify in their cars audibly playing mumblecore with the En word for 62.5% of the lyrics. It will get worse, unimaginably worse. Deal with it.
The 90's, like the 80's, will never be repeated, just enjoy the memories.
I'm coming to this video after having discovered 3rd Secret myself at random this morning ... Love everything about this band. Leans into the psychedelia I loved from Soungarden's music, and I'm a sucker for beautiful vocal harmonies ... Every one of these songs gives me chills. Of course, I'm the right generation for this (meaning, X) but this is just beautiful music, by any standard. I really enjoy the content you make, Rick, and I've found your videos and your book not only fascinating but truly helpful with my own musical efforts. It surprised me that I somehow didn't watch this video of yours the day it came out - but on the other hand I'm kind of glad I encountered 3rd Secret before I heard your recommendation. At the same time, it's extremely gratifying to discover that my feelings about this music are so similar to yours.
Nailed it, my friend. I’m a year older than you, with the same musical influences, and also in love with the grunge sound.
And Eddie Vedder is the only one of the Seattle Big Four voices that is still with us. That adds more melancholy to the Grunge movement.
@@jsullivan2112 Jerry wasn't the main voice of AIC.
I'd say Eddie got his shot because Andy wood died, so realllyy... 3.5 of the big four are no longer with us. AW>ev all day everyday in any context.
Not bad for a dude from my town of San Diego.
And that's why Pearl Jam does not really fit in with AIC..Soungarden..Nirvana.
@@jsullivan2112 “No Layne, no chains” 😞 That’s not what it was about. No Excuses…
As a 45 year old this was the music of my youth!! Changed my life! Especially AIC and Soundgarden!!! Great video Rick! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼 hello from NYC! One day I will make it to Laynes Birthday Jam!
Dude, do they do a Layne concert every year? I didn't even know. I'm in NJ. I need to get out there for one of these things.
@@hammer11235 yeah bro! They’ve been doing it for years… his mother hosts it and they have a bunch of AIC tribute bands plus special guests I know Jerry and Sean have shown up in the past…Mike McCready Mark Lanegan when he was still alive… it’s around his birthday every year August 21… I know cuz my birthday is the 20th lol… I definitely have to get out there as a birthday gift to myself one year! If you get a chance I would make it a point to go brother!
Damn..... I literally got shivers around the 4 minute mark when you qued up that 2nd song.
I'm really excited to dive into them.
As soon as I heard the Super group s song, I hit the like button. Thank you Rick. ❤️
Absolutely, music reflects the environment it came from. I’m from Puerto Rico and if you listened to Salsa/Regueton/Plena/Seis they all share some characteristics. It’s percussively very crowded/dense music (like gazing into a tropical forest), a lot of the instruments have a metallic/nasally quality (Cuatro/Horns/Timbales) which reflects how people talk here.
En Seattle había un grupo ochentero --Bochinche-- que se defendían en los géneros de "salsa" y otros. Seattle era (y es) súper gringo y asiático pero la gente buscaba un poco de calor latino. saludos desde Guadalajara MX
People tend to forget that WAY before Grunge, Jimi Hendrix was from Seattle as well.
How about The Kingsmen? From Portland but is it a stretch to say they represent the PNW in general?
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I think you could include them too. Bands from Washington state.
Some of Hendrix's music was from Seattle, but mostly from large influences such as Billy Cox back in November 1961 during their stint in the army at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. After honourable discharge he and Billy moved to Clarksville, Tennessee ~20 miles from Fort Campbell. Previously in Seattle, Jimi saw Butch Snipes playing guitar with his teeth. This Clarksville band, The Kasuals, now had guitarists Alphonso "Baby Boo" Young and Jimi playing the guitar with their teeth.
_""The idea of doing that came to me ... in Tennessee. Down there you have to play with your teeth or else you get shot. There's a trail of broken teeth all over the stage.""_
They all eventually moved to Nashville, TN on Jefferson Street. For two years they played at the Club del Morocco and Jimi finally was able to make a living playing music on the circuit of venues throughout the south. Theatre Owners Booking Association was responsible for what is widely known as the Chitlin' Circuit.
Jimi not only played for his own band, but he also played for musicians such as Wilson Pickett, Slim Harpo, Sam Cooke, Ike & Tina Turner and Jackie Wilson. In January 1964 he left the circuit and moved to Hotel Theresa over in Harlem, New York. His new girlfriend there was connected in the Harlem music scene, which then got him into the Harlem club circuit sitting in with numerous bands.
A former associate of Joe Tex recommended Jimi to Ronnie Isley of The Isley Brothers, granting him an audition which led to an offer to join the I.B. Specials (Isley Brothers' backing band). He accepted. March of 1964, he recorded Testify with this group (which is the first piece of Hendrix legacy to make it into music history, considering Stevie Ray Vaughan rearranged and covered Testify on his 1983 debut, Texas Flood (same year Metallica recorded their debut album)). May 1964, Hendrix records guitar on the Don Covay number Mercy Mercy. While Testify failed to chart in June, Mercy Mercy was released in August and ended up charting at #35 on Billboard. Hendrix toured throughout 1964 with the Isleys. In October, growing tired of the same set every night he left them. Shortly after the split he joined The Upsetters led by Little Richard. Not long after, in February 1965 he recorded his only single with Little Richard, I Don't Know What You Got (But It's Got Me). It peaked at #92 and dropped off the chart after a week. You can look up what really happened in 1965.
1966 Jimi moves to Greenwich Village, NYC due to the constricting sideman role in R&B music. In not long, on recommendation of folk singer Richie Havens, Manny Roth hired Jimi as a recurring musician at the Cafe Wha?, opened in 1959. It was the most successful story in the establishment's history and made the place famous and historical. The rest is literally history, with the pairing of Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding as Jimi's backing band being now English in sound and influence. You can tell that Jimi's musical elements, such as shouting, are influenced by whatever happened back in Tennessee and with the Isleys and Little Richard.
3rd secret will become the greatest supergroup of all time. The world needed this right now.
I came of age in the 70's, so my musical taste was influenced by 60's through early 80's rock and some pop. I rejected the grunge scene when I first heard it in early 90's and grew to love it much later. I find that for me the best way to hear new music that is fresh and original and allows me to stay grounded in the rock I grew up with is to go to small clubs and venues in the Chicago area and discover DIY bands that are still creating good tunes and aren't ruined by record companies and a directive to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
With Nirvana discussions I never hear about the crucial role of mavericks like Husker Du, The Replacements and Sonic Youth; these bands spent most of the 80s getting in shape, making no money while those who wed their innovations to classic rock sold millions. Because of the success of Seattle's big four they're only compared to major leaguers like The Beatles, Pistols or Led Zep. I like Rick's discussions but I detect a blind spot re. influential oddballs like Television, Talking Heads, Wire or even early REM.
Talking Heads. WOW!
Well said. I remember when grunge ran its course and morphed into the butt rock of the late 90s and early 00s, I looked backward towards the rubble and asked myself "Where did the 90s alt rock explosion come from?", and then discovered all the bands you mention in your post. Grunge and all the alt-giants might have taken hints from the Beatles, Sabbath and Zep, but when it came time to take the test, they were looking at the 80s indie and punk bands that blazed the trail for the answers.
Well, with Grunge specifically, the Melvins should also be mentioned. They basically started it all in that corner of the country.
@@nathanward3888 For sure. And even The Melvins followed outsider left-of-the-dial trailblazers before them in bands like The Sonics, The Stooges, The Wipers and Blue Cheer; those bands certainly gave Buzz a really good roadmap to grungeland.
Sonic Youth had 100 Percent, which was a hit in the nineties. It had a good music video to go along with it, too. They also played the song on that shaart of a talk show that Carson Daly had sometime last decade. So yeah, you probably shouldn't have listed them in your "I knows more about obscure music than everybody else" post, Mr hipster guy.
I've been digging 3rd Secret since they came out. Amazing how a throwback can be so refreshing. Very much enjoying the vibe of their tunes.
Dan Campieri UR way ahead of Me. Rick always teaches Me.
Their new record is cool stuff.
@@keithferris9574 Sure is!
Rick should do a video on the 90s emo/post punk-hardcore scene. I feel like it's under appreciated, but its influence is still around today. Bands like Mineral, Texas is the reason, Sunny Day Real Estate didn't have a long time standing but they have introduced me to another world that can be dark but also uplifting
I've got to thank you for bringing 3rd Secret to my attention. It's been a long time since love at first listen. I've had this album on repeat for the last 3 days and it gets more beautiful each time I hear it!
I think the impact of Hole's live through this is greatly underrated as well, so many female grunge bands site it as massive cultural shift.
Absolutely - for all TH-cam comments of ‘protect Eddie Vedder, he’s the last of the Grunge movement’, they’re completely ignoring the riot girl bands like Bikini Kill, Hole etc. They were also revolutionary bands of that era, and for all those who buy into the myths about Courtney Love, Hole were signed to a major label before Nirvana were. Live Through This is a great album.
@@PrisonerD except that Hole is not a Riot Grrrl band. Courtney Love herself has disagreed with the idea of Hole being a Riot Grrrl band. But I agree that the band is criminally underrated. They (along with other female centric grunge bands like L7 and Babes in Toyland) had a huge impact on the grunge scene which was otherwise dominated by male centric bands. Hole, L7, Babes In Toyland, and Riot Grrrl bands like Bikini Kill, Bratmobile should be given credit and recognition where it's due.
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I agree a bit. I wouldn't say anyone is discounting them
@@_sam_ddn , my thoughts too. Hole isn't that interesting. People should try bikini kill and heaven's to Betsy.
@@_sam_ddn i think Lunachicks belongs to this list
TAD, Coffin Break, Mud Honey. I'm so glad my teenage years were spent going to Off Ramp, going to Scarecrow Video, watching the greatest show every - Bombshelter Videos. What a time. I saw Chris DeGarmo at a Kenelley Keys in Ballard once. I tried playing Empire, and he gave me a thumbs up. That sustained me for twenty years.
Killer content, Rick! Your analysis put verbal shape to my long-held love for grunge. All of those great bands you mentioned still blow me away!
3rd Secret album is so good. A Great sound Jillian Raye has such haunting voice with a broad range.
One of the best examples of this effect is Birmingham. Dark, gloomy, dominated by factories, very rainy. Absolutely the perfect city to be the birthplace of heavy metal.
It also inspired Mordor
@@lamecasuelas2 Says it all, really. :D
Ironically, Duran Duran came from there, too.
@@5roundsrapid263 I was thinking, “Heavy Metal started in Alabama?!” Then I saw your comment and realized which Birmingham he meant..
So many good metal bands out of there.
Rick, I respectfully urge you to check out The Warning. Saw them live a week ago and am still in awe of the power of this trio.
The Warning is more than legit. Saw them open for Halestorm and they are incredible. I haven't been so excited about any band for almost 20 years.
It’s so cool that a lot of people are discovering them though this tour. I’d urge people to listen to all of the Error album, as there are some very different songs too like Revenant that you won’t hear live often.
@@markjames8664 And when they're finished with Error, go listen to the rest of the discography and watch essential live performances ⚡
He briefly reacted to them in one of his streams in recent months, someone suggested their Enter Sandman cover with Alessia Cara, but since stream moved fast and there were a lot of requests, he didn't get more than a minute or so into the song, but said something like "this might be better than Metallica" and enjoyed what he heard. He also mentioned David Bendeth is his friend, so looks like he knows a bit about them from him, but it would be nice if he makes a more thorough reaction or a video featuring them for sure.
just saw them in Dallas last week, loved them!
The melody’s are wonderful within 3rd Secret.
To me it sounds like the combination with the folk side of Zep and the vocals from the Cranberries. I miss the punk rock aspect that feels angsty.
As far as new music revolution, I say look no further than the new young all-female rock bands such as Plush and The Warning. Especially via The Warning. What they're doing with rock music right now is incredible. Have you heard their debut major label album Error? The one David Bendeth produced? That man is amazing! I've been saying that The Warning are the new breed of rock music. They didn't try and rewrite rock music. They're just writing and performing music as they love it. They're totally genuine. So very talented. Grunge is a good genre to compare them to because their music is deep and thoughtful along with being masterfully written and performed. Currently blowing rock audiences away touring with Halestorm and their own headlining tour has been straight amazing. They just finished blowing Mexico City away with two nights of their best performances ever. I know The Warning are younger than you tend to analyze on your channel, but I'm breathlessly awaiting your take on these three sisters. Error is a pure masterpiece that I believe is going to be a highly heralded album in the coming months.
I dig 3rd Secret a lot! Thank you Rick for sharing. Very solid material that is indeed new but pushes all the right buttons for nostalgia. Love the doubled female vocals! They are really good together and complement the group nicely. Rick you encapsulated the grunge experience very well. I lived through that era and that music really spoke to me because I lived it and could identify so closely with it.
I was stationed at Ft. Lewis in Washington from 1997-2001. We spent almost every weekend in Seattle hitting all the music clubs in Pioneer Square. There was so many amazing bands and great music.
Wow! Mr. Beato, I absolutely love your videos and your perspective on music so much that, basically, we're bros now.
I'm the quintessential Gen-Xer born in 1970 who found himself when the "Grunge" era came into being. The first time my friend turned me onto to Soundgarden thru Ultramega OK w/Incessant Mace & their cover of Smokestack Lightning I knew I'd found MY band, that these guys were speaking directly to me and it felt so good, so incredible.
I was/am born/raised/live on Uncle Dave Macon's land here in Middle Tennessee where Bluegrass gave birth to Country music and the founding of the Grand Ole Opry. I grew up w/friends & family playing Bluegrass & old Scotts/Irish folk tunes on the back porch every weekend after cutting timber, working the land all week as our main source of entertainment instead of TV, computer games, etc. And yet, when the late '80s-early '90s gave way to the Pixies, Talking Heads, Nine Inch Nails and other alternative bands who were being played on college radio I found myself intensely attracted to the dark, drop-D style of sound they were putting out, it all spoke to my, as you put it, teen angst and I fell in love with it.
Middle/East Tennessee actually has a couple of things in common with the Seattle area. One thing being that it rains a lot, I mean a lot. At one time I know for a fact this area was 2nd only to the Pacific Northwest in amount of rain per annum so, outside activities got curtailed and you turned to music, listening & playing it, to alleviate the boredom. Also, my paternal grandfather grew up in Celina cutting timber & riding it down the Cumberland River to sell it in Nashville to put food on the table. I've cut my share of timber in my youth, it was a family thing. And so was making music on the weekends.
That era from 1987 to 1996+/- was the favorite time in my life for different reasons but, mainly because my generation's music was plentiful & easily accessible.
In the years following the turn of the Millennium reality came crashing back to earth and I grew up, got married & found myself working 70-hour work weeks as a pipeline fitter supporting my family missing that so-called grunge era and the happiness of my youth. Unlike others I grew up with i was not able to work in the music industry even though I lived less than 20mins from Music City USA & my people practically invented the Country scene of the 20th century and thats ok, thats life & I'm not complaining. I played drums in 3 different bands in & around Nashville for 14yrs before hanging up my sticks & had a lot of fun playing at Springwater, Exit/In & even being a guest of The Features at my biggest gig at The Mercy Lounge, great times.
Now, my son is 17yrs old and has been playing drums since he was 2. I retired from those 70hr pipefitting work weeks & have re-discovered my Bluegrass/Country roots and you, my friend, have just turned me on to my "new band", 3rd Secret which is so reminiscent of hearing Soundgarden for the 1st time and I thank you.
I'm new to your awesome channel, having a great time catching up on all your past content and looking forward to every new video.
Forgiveness please for the epic tome I wrote here, just wanted to thank you for your hard work and for introducing me to 3rd Secret which I didn't even know existed.
Please keep doing what you do, brah.
Soundgarden rules!
Female vocals are so hard to come by in a real rock outfit. I love it when the female voice is allowed to remain beautiful and feminine, and the heavy sound isn't compromised to let that shine through. This group, 3rd Secret, has this tasteful quality.
Grace Slick
Pj Harvey’s album ‘Rid of Me’ will scratch that itch I promise you.
Wolf Alice
Check out Marmozets!
The Breeders.
I've never really thought much about the impact of the Seattle music scene on my musical palette. Now, thirty years later I must admit these bands are resonating in my heart all the time.
I lived in Everett WA in the early and mid 90’s. Washington was cool back then now you must look over your shoulder. Stay safe, Seattle is nothing like it was. Very sad!
I know - hope it rallies forward ✌️
I saw all these bands back in the 90s....Glastonbury, Reading etc...what an amazing time with that music scene.
Beautiful vocals; like a big mixing bowl filled with Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, Dolores O'Riordan -but Jillian Raye...jeez she's like a goddess!
I'm from Florida, and I love dark music. Maybe it's not the climate so much. I remember being a young 20 something in 1995 going over the bridge around midnight and feeling how dark, gloomy and morbidly hopeless the world felt. The Apathy of my generation [X] made me feel like the needed changes the world needed were never going to happen. I feel more hope now b/c of the younger generations.
Yeah but a huge scene built around dark music didn't happen in Florida.
I literally just bought this album after you played the first track. It’s AMAZING!!! The vocals remind me of early Heart mixed with a little Loreena McKennitt. Gorgeous. Thank you, Rick!!!
YES! Thank you talking about 3rd Secret! Love that album and they need to be heard!
Amazing. 3rd Secret. Wow! They are fantastic! I love that my "grunge" musical heroes are still at it. And still so influencial. There is a very discernible "Seattle Sound" in 3rd Secret's music. It's also (to me, anyway) VERY reminiscent of Heart (not ironically also from Seattle).
Rick, thank you. Thank you for all you do. I have been introduced to so much musically since I happened upon your channel years ago. You are MIGHTY!
I was in middle school during the height of grunge. In 6th grade my parents let me order eight albums from Columbia House. Nevermind, Siamese Dreams, PJ ten, Superunknown, AIC dirt, STP core, Dookie, and NIN a downward spiral. Life changed!!!
“If it’s dark all the time, if it rains all the time…”
_sitting at home in Seattle, looks outside_
It’s 75º and not a cloud in the sky. It’s going to be a beautiful weekend when Rick gets here. I’m not saying it isn’t grey and rainy here most of the year, but he’s going to be here for some nice weather.
You forgot to mention that June-uary was cloudy all month! :)
@@StratMatt777 That’s the secret, though. People visit in July and August and think it’s really nice and that the sodden grey air is just a myth we tell people to keep the tourists away.
@@ivanheffner2587 Well... they think it is nice until a homeless person downtown smacks them in the back of the head... but I know what you mean! :D
"Most of the year" is a total stretch, for sure. It's mainly rainy here when it should be rainy or snowy. Late fall, winter, early spring. It occasionally rains the rest of the time, which is what happens in most other places. It's not (much) more overcast than other places, either. If you average it out over the year, it probably sits above a lot of other places, but not by a lot.
@@muddro420 said "It's not (much) more overcast than other places, either."
As a former flight instructor in Seattle I gotta question that statement!
When I couldn't fly due to clouds I didn't get paid. So I was poor as hell! ;)
90’s “grunge” music changed my DNA. 3rd Secret is pretty cool. Thing I find interesting is I hear Nirvana in there. Krist’s playing was so much of the Nirvana sound. Kurt would dig this.
Thank you so much for sharing this amazing band Rick. I really like grunge and I think its a shame that simply there's no music like that being made today.
I haven't heard sounds that rich and melodic since the mud nineties. It doesn't sound dated either. It sounds vibrant and new. Cameron on drums, Kris on bass and Kim on guitar??? Are you serious??? That is a sonic supernova. Kurt, Layne and Chris would be proud.
I’m just hearing this band’s music for the first time and it sounds very interesting. Sure it’s in a familiar vein but there’s something fresh about it… it makes me wish there was a record store nearby so I could run out and pick it up. I’m digging it, naysayers be darned.
I think it checks out. Look at Scandinavia and all the metal they put out. If you're stuck indoors due to inclement weather, more people learn to play instruments and the weather sets the mood!
I think the more sunny climes have done ok--Blues Country RnR Reggae etc :)
@@sup1e Yes, but I don't listen to pop
I always think a missed signature of a lot of grunge and 90s music was that the chords became the hero. Very simple, visceral and accessible to learn and listen to. Came from its punk roots
The Winter Solstice song kinda reminds me of the Battle of Evermore by Led Zeppelin, I dig it. So happy Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam members have joined together, that's so freakin cool. I feel there is actually a revolution of psyche/fuzz/doom stuff, but it feels like not many pay as close attention to that. Particularly in Australia too, lots of psyche bands coming from there, like King Gizzard, Tame Impala, Babe Rainbow, Pond, ORB, etc.
These tracks you've played show glimpses of greatness. The darkness and draw I love. However there isn't or at least it wasn't played here is the resolve. This feels like a build, a beautiful build but a build none the less. The listener or at least I as a listener has an expectation; and that expectation can be a few things:
1) fulfilled. It musically goes where you expect and feel it should.
2) Strangely fulfilled. Goes to un unexpected place and whether whimsically or otherwise brings you to resolution.
3) unfulfilled in. Goes to an unexpected place and holds/leaves you there but in a way that you are in on the joke.
4) unfulfilled out. Goes to an unexpected place but never resolves and never reveals the punchline or even the existence of a punchline.
This feels like four to me, only build and no resolve. Perhaps you didn't play the resolve and it's there. What as a listener am I to latch on to here? I hear the excellence in the presentation, I don't feel the emotion or the story.
Big respect also to the Melvins who pioneered the doomy gloomy soundscape before grunge became a worldwide sensation.
My teen years were shaped by The Minutemen, Husker Du, The Meat Puppets, all bands that paved the way for grunge. They don't get enough credit, just like The Melvins. The 80's weren't as lost musically as some think. lol
@@tomfoolery333 Yeah, those are all great bands and I guess The Pixies would be one of the more successful bands from those years. Still weren't nearly as successful as the grunge bands that followed. There were a lot of amazing indie bands in the 80's and it was mostly mainstream music that was lost (and maybe still is?)
@@hamahermit1917 Yeah, mainstream music in the 80's was quite a wasteland. My point about those three bands and a few others was that they were musically forerunners of grunge. They were grunge before grunge was a thing. SST records. It was not just a Seattle sound. Those three bands were S. Cal, Arizona and Minnesota. I guess there are just bands and little niches of trendsetters who get lost in the mists of time.
They didn’t pioneer literally anything.
The Melvins are still putting out phenomenal albums today. Truly never get the respect they deserve. They are the most prolific band ever 🤘
I'm really happy to see Krist novoselic and all these great musicians still making music. 🙌 Freaking awesome!!! Talk about heavy hitting veterans. 😄 This music has a certain depth that can only come from experience, wisdom and life.
I was a junior in highschool in 1991. Grunge not only changed the music scene, it changed the fashion scene overnight. Everyone had Dr Martens, ripped jeans and flannel my senior year. I still have a love hate relationship with grunge, as I was a hair band junky all through highschool in the late 80's. Today I find myself listening to hair bands more than grunge... but every now and then I hear a song like Down in a hole, or them bones, or Alive and I'm like damn... that was awesome music!!
I’m so glad you did this video. I hadn’t heard anything about 3rd Secret, and they’re incredible. What an album.
I moved to Seattle in early 1994 right around the time when AIC’s “Jar of Flies” and Soundgarden’s “Superunknown”were released. And of course the tragic loss of Kurt. A very profound period in my life with the perfect soundtrack to accompany it. Great video. You really captured what makes this music so special.
My music epiphany started in the 60's when I listened to my parents' Beatles LP, reading the liner notes.
In the late '70's when my family emigrated to the US. My Uncle, only five years older than me, shared Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles w/ me.
In the '80's my teen years experienced the beginning of a revolution that changed music in the form of MTV, music videos brought over a new British Invasion in the form of New Wave, contrasted and superseded by the glam hair metal bands, then Iconic bands like, Guns and Roses & Nirvana started this amazing run of music of the 90's .... I'm still waiting for the next music revolution, it's really felt like we've been missing that 'groundbreaker' for near two decades now ...but maybe I'm just 'old man yelling at cloud' LOL cheers
Well the early to mid 2000's had a pretty cool vibe, with bands like a thrice, circa survive, soasin and paramore, to name a few. As well as a new wave of metal with bands like lamb of god, killswitch engage, shadows fall and hatebreed. I think that was really the last comprehensive wave of music we had before things got weird. 😆
Your wait is over. We children of the 60s and 70s have discovered the Japanese rock and metal continuation of our heroes of yesteryear. Try Band-maid, Lovebites, Nemophila, Unlucky Morpheus, Hagane, Asterism and many more. You'll also find a vibrant community of Westerners who had given up on current music until discovering new vitality and excitement from this unexpected source.
@@usynthesis4749 I admit to probably having aged out of 'popular' music, but my point was about 'revolutionary' changes in music, while those might be popular acts, are any of them actually 'revolutionary'?. My opinion, the last time music made a significant change in direction was when Rap, R&B and Hip Hop became the dominant genre, and is still the case ever since, although they've splintered into niche versions. I don't think 'rock' has been 'dominant' or 'revolutionary' in some time...
Rap replaced rock as the music of rebellion & partying if not worldwide, almost worldwide. Where I grew up, it went from 80s rock straight to hip hop and reggaetón. Almost no one was into grunge unless they were die hard rockers or metal heads .
I'm the same age as Rick, and for me one of the most interesting periods was right around the turn of the millenium, say 1997-2002. Lots of good stuff came out in that period: Kid A and Amnesiac, Urban Hymns, first two Doves albums, first two Coldplay albums (I know, I know! But those first two really weren't bad...), Elbow's debut, etc., plus a fair amount of decent "indie" stuff. Although I must admit I say this as someone who didn't like much of what was popular in the 90's.
Grunge made me really love music and got me into rock and playing guitar
Your whole channel is a delight man
I still remember when I heard Smells like Teen Spirit for the first time. In my buddies house, cranked. He told me check this out. I was never the same after that. A young guitar player, brought up on Van Halen, GNR, Zep. It was an incredible moment in time. Your description Rick is spot on. It was a revolution.
Japan is about to do it. All the music you're missing is already there. Great musicianship, clever writing amd composition... INSANE skills.
Yes! I keep mentioning Japan in a lot of these videos because it has what is missing from more western music. I love how much Jazz and funk is infused with their music. They also have many electronic sounds too, but it is more harmonious. I'm still shocked the music there isn't as popular overseas.
@@Drstrange3000 Well you got these powerhouses gating the music here, so maybe that's why. We are only fed western music (mostly).
@@CubeParrot1 True. It is amazing how much music is out there once you go past what is shoved in your face. Japan also makes it hard to have access to some of their music for foreigners.
This is a great video. You’ve turned me into 3rd secret. The Melodie’s they make are captivating.
Thank you for a great video! Have always have loved this kind of music. Learning to play these songs is very satisfying. Enjoy all kinds of music but Nirvana, Soundgarden, and AIC are huge to me.
I hear the staggering influence of Heart, a Seattle rock pioneering band, in 3rd Secret. Also, one Seattle band I'd like to see you examine is The Head and the Heart, which is indie-folk-rock. They aren't grunge-dark, but there's an interiority/melancholy in their music that I think fits the city's legacy as well.
Seattle actually had a whole different scene come out in the 2000s. It was much more folk-based, but like you said had a melancholy to it. Almost like a darker, sadder version of the REM/Southern jangle rock bands that came out of the 80s. In addition to Head and the Heart, you had bands like Death Cab for Cutie, Band of Horses, Fleet Foxes, and The Postal Service all come out of that scene.
I'm a musician. I live in West Seattle. I can tell you that the music scene is struggling hard out here. The musical Seattle is long gone and now it is a city that caters to the more "nerdy" artists like video gamers and tech heads. Unless you're into death metal, there really isn't much of a music scene out here anymore. It's becoming a tech bro Disneyland and they even changed the EMP into the Museum of Pop Culture. The Seattle scene is eroding away day by day only to be replaced by cosplay conventions and DnD meetups.
Yeah, I wouldn't dream of living in Seattle, now. But I did.
All too true
I'm a gamer, before someone calls you boomer, I know being in the outskirts sucks. I remember gaming was considered "weird" and you'd get bullied for it, now it's mainstream and music is absolutely irrelevant. All the people I know would spend $100s on mobile games before they'd even give $10 to an artist. It's brutal out there...
I absolutely LOVE the 3rd Secret album. Have probably listened to it 100x by now. Excellent stuff, really hoping they get a few more albums out.
Thank you for turning me on to this band. They’re great.
I saw Pearl Jam for the 18th time a few weeks ago. I can’t imagine my musical diet without those bands. Temple Of The Dog is one of only a handful of albums I set time aside to listen in full focus without doing anything else.
I’ve never been to the States, but I’m sure I’ll end up visiting Seattle at some point.
Try some "Mother Lovebone".
Love that Rick is spreading the word about sweet new bands.
I hear a Fleetwood Mac vibe in there too. The female vocals and harmonies. Very emotional singing, by the way. Great.
Off topic but I had a dream last night that you invited me to play guitar on a track but I had to go to New Zealand to record it with you. When I finally got there and we started recording but I forgot how to play guitar so I just kinda awkwardly left while you weren't looking. Having nowhere to go in NZ I ended up sleeping in the woods and ended up getting eaten by bats. Fun times! :)
It's like Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, they came from Birmingham , an industrial city with forging Iron and factories, and the people of Birmingham has heared those sounds alot,so According to the band members the sound of the making of metal has led to the creation of Heavy Metal.
It's a good comment, but it's Birmingham, even though it sounds like Bermingham! 😂😂
@@colinbox3637 hhhhhhhhhhh allright I'll fix it
@@colinbox3637 Sound as a pound!
@@colinbox3637 It's pronounced Birminum by the locals. 😎
So good to see Krist Novoselic playing again!
8 or so albums in the last 20 years indixates that he never stopped playing
Perhaps Winter Solstice is a homage to Chris Cornell’s Seasons. Sounds so reminiscent, plus the titles play off each other nicely
Your analysis of the music from those bands is spot on very well described the best I have ever herd from anyone.