Day after Y2K: every station in KC played Prince's "1999" for a week straight, and when they finally stopped, all the stations had changed their formats. The weirdest part was that no one seemed to notice but me. I would ask people what they thought about, what was to me, this HUGE shift, and all I ever got as an answer were these heads cocked sideways like confused dogs. They simply hadn't noticed that the Flaming Lips etc had just been replaced by the Backstreet Boys etc, en masse and across the country. Like invasion of the body snatchers or something. Thanks for addressing these issues, Rick. I seriously felt alone in noticing these things. Your perspective and information are most appreciated.
Similar thing happened on jan 1 1990.. other than a lucky few acts that were able to navigate the crossing out of the 80s.. no hair band could even get their calls returned by the guy booking acts for the county fair. People were just done with it... the glam and excess suddenly seemed old and contrived.
There was a time during the 90's when The Breeders were in regular rotation on Z100, the main "hits" stations in NYC. The format didn't last until 2000, maybe until '97 or so, with a brief crossover to the more Third Eye blind "post grunge" style of bands, but I remember thinking it was incredible this happened when up until around '92 it was the realm of Phil Collins and Whitney Houston. When the boy bands started getting pushed that was indeed the end of rock on "hits" radio, and it's basically never come back except maybe for the occasional tune.
I'd say Alternative radio was diverse in the early 90's (up to about 1993). From around 1993 and on, the format was favoring grunge or harder rock edged music.
@@Rob-n2fRick Beato in several other videos details how this happened. The Telecommunications act of 1996, where major broadcast companies bought up many stations & starting circulating a formatted playlists since the late 90s. As why playlists wasn’t diverse.
I'm surprised REM wasn't mentioned among the casualties! Something we don't talk enough about 90's alt-rock is how wonderfully ORGANIC/roots-y it was. So much Hammond B3, maybe a little mandolin, etc. When that scene died, pop music lost those organic elements, besides maybe some John Mayer, and anything country-ish. That said, as a big fan of heavy music, it's fun now to reminisce about Nu-Metal decades later. I quickly got swept up in the craze in 1998 as a 12 year-old, but by 2001, "Nu-Metal" became quite the dirty-word/insult/punchline among metalheads until "emo" blew up ~2005-06. Looking back though, I can't deny the *massive* influence Nu-Metal had in shaping my taste in heavy music, even if I would never listen to it nowadays. Thanks, Rick!
I wouldn't call R.E.M. a part of the 90's alternative rock movement. They had been around since the 80's and they were alternative rock before it was even called that. Back in the 80's they were considered college rock.
The fact that the the major Media outlets in America went from being owned by 50 companies in 1983 to SIX(!) in 2011 should be absolutely bone-chilling. Everyone complains about the tech giants now, but they're just benefiting from the loosening of enforcement of competition standards over the the course of decades. I never thought to associate this with the increasing homogenization of music, but it certainly makes sense. It's happening right now with movies too.
It's all about big businesses donating to political campaigns or the "foundations" of a politicians wife or family member. The same thing is happening right now. How many little stores were closed in the name of public health? Walmart, Target, Costco, and the major supermarket chains are still open. That's because they have the most money to make the biggest donations. It's not about public health, it's about greed.
@@jontowers6780 I totally talk about this as well. We are losing the fight big time and even myself has had to use big box consumerism more than I am comfortable with because of Covid. It really gets under my skin and I can't wait for this to be over. Small business is something that we need for people with not affluent backgrounds to have a shot in this rigged and over praised beyond critique economic structure.
They are such an interesting story to me. The lead singer has one of the greatest voices of all time but they came around at a terrible time, and tried to be something they weren't (like a Coldplay type) and that killed them.
Also important to note the split between Alternative and what would become Indie Rock around this time. Between 1999-2001, records like Modest Mouse's Moon and Antartica, Radiohead's Kid A, The Strokes This Is It were all coming out, and a few years later Arcade Fire, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and LCD Soundsystem would get big. But these bands were driven by music blog on the internet like Pitchfork and not radio play. I remember in 2002 the rock stations were still playing Papa Roach and Incubus, but all cool kids were listening to Interpol, Wilco and Spoon on their iPods - which were also released in 2001. Maybe it wasn't just consolidation in radio, but the end in relevance in radio?
Nu-metal made alt-rock radio so bad I started listening to R&B pop stations. 50 Cent, Eminem, Shakira, Beyoncé... at least that all had a nice beat and those artists weren’t screaming at me.
If we could settle in enough and appreciate what we have we'd be straight. We'd have more songs like 'Closing Time'.There's too much in our society that makes us hyped to something small and sleak and synthetic. Makes us precious, dammit
Korn is like a lot of bands w an element to their sound. They have domestic escapism and catharsis. Depeche Mode's atmosphere is that of pure romance. Metallica --war, machine guns. Elements are long lasting and so are they
I don't get why people keep shitting on them. Yeah, many songs weren't that original (which they always admitted). But they were definitely one of the most punk bands out there, even though their music wasn't punk.
@@voodoo194 I was always a casual fan until about 5yrs ago the TH-cam algorithm took me on a ride through all of their B-Sides and now they are top 5 for me easy.
@@rogueleader5 absolutely. For me they're one of the last real Rockbands. Watch the Supersonic doc, if you haven't. They're just some real dudes. I think their british idgaf attitude just flew over the heads of many americans who thought they were just pricks.
@@voodoo194 Not sure why people assume Oasis was not a gigantic deal here in the US...they were rather undisputedly among the 'biggest' things here at that time, with non-stop MTV & radio rotation. It's not like a Robbie Williams type of thing -- who missed his window by about a decade to peddle that schtick in America. Oasis, Blur & Radiohead were all huge around that similar timeframe, but Oasis clearly ruled the roost, unfortunately. And yes I do say 'unfortunately'. None of those bands are in my personal musical wheelhouse, but without a doubt I'd vastly prefer Radiohead or even Blur over that vapid 'adult contemporary' schlock-rock from Oasis. Then again if I wanted music from across the pond that was ACTUALLY important to me, that of course would be (and should be): This Heat, Joy Division, My Bloody Valentine, The Wedding Present, Mogwai, etc.
@@cdubranslam Secret Samdhi was pretty good, I like a lot of songs on it. I just think as they went on they didn't have enough variety to their sound and everything started to sound the same.
One of my favorites, I saw Live on the Throwing Copper tour and again just a couple years ago. Yes, Throwing Copper was a huge album. Secret Samadhi, less favorable overall, but has some great songs, including one of my favorite Live tunes, Turn My Head. The Distance To Here is an excellent album and shows continued growth in their songs writing. V has some excellent songs as well.
It wasn't a subgenre that killed "grunge". It was the record industry, itself. They didn't know when to quit. They signed everybody with facial hair and a sad song. They went for quantity over quality.
@@nielsB_FPV Yep. It's the same old cycle. Something gets popular, the industry jumps on it, starts repackaging it in more and more commercially friendly ways till there's nothing left of it but an empty shell and an image, plug it to death till everyone's sick of it and wait for the next big thing.
Yup! Same with 80s rock. Grunge didn't kill "hair metal". "Hair metal" killed 80s metal. When labels started signing everyone with big hair and spandex who sang about banging Chicks backstage, the genre got watered down. It ruined itself. The market was saturated and people got tired. In every genre, the bands who carry on are the ones who were genuine to the genre. The band's from the 80s who were authentic can still do shows and make a living, because they weren't fabricated. Same with bands from the grunge era, and why Counting Crows can still play big stages. Every era has their OGs and their posers. And the labels were great at always watering down the good liquor just to make profit. 😤
As someone who works in IT I just wanted to say: The Y2K bug was a SERIOUS issue. The only reason "nothing happened" was because there were millions of dollars and thousands of work hours put into upgrading systems so that nothing would happen. It's entirely a myth that the bug was blown out of proportion. The risks were very real and very dangerous and it was a world wide concerted effort that kept things functional going into the new millennium. This is a perfect case of "If you do your job well, people won't know you've done anything at all."
It’s also a good example of a global problem being solved by actually WORKING on the problem and not just pointing fingers and shrugging shoulders 🤷♂️. I feel like if Y2K were happening this year we’d all be screwed.
@@AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken84 in the simplest possible terms, due to the way dates were represented and processed in code, the year wasn’t changing from 1999 to 2000, it was changing from 99 to 0.
Bothered me beyond belief ... for 5 years every time i am near a radio some guy is going YEE aa ah . then there were the bar bands with singers doing this on every song , ruining so much innocent music .those chain wallet grease balls all bought the creed album the same day it came out . they all have bad tribal tattoos as well .
Right! They've always been as fresh and unique and clever and great, and despite having numerous mainstream modest hits over years and years... It's surprising they don't have a bigger more vocal fanbase than they do. I fear the novelty/quirkiness factor overshadows the formidable songwriting and serious musicianship. The fact I've not once seen Gabe Nelson listed among the elite influential bass players is all the proof I need to confirm that this world is indeed cruel, random, and capricious and that justice doesn't exist, nothing is fair, and pretty much everything is pointless and stupid and also sucks. Which is a bummer. On the bright side, there are six full-length Cake albums chock full of the sickest, nastiest, groovenest, funky funky bass parts you could ever want.
Important element: Napster and the internet. The rise of mp3s was a direct backlash to that corporate control of what people were hearing. Post-communications act, what people heard felt extremely controlled. A lot of the bands you listed were mid to late 90s bands, the waves of music after grunge that was largely middle of the road quality. Labels were making one hit bands and selling a ton of singles, while also tricking the public into the album sales. Not a great amount of quality albums in that period, but plenty of one hit wonders. Those bands may have had more than one single chart, but nobody can remember what those songs were. They were carefully released onto radio and then normally tied into movies or commercials. It was painfully obvious how controlled everything was. Just some examples, from working record stores at the time: Sugar Ray's first hit was a Sublime vibe song. The rest of the album was entirely Nu Metal. People kept returning the album. Sugar Ray changed their whole sound only to have the plug pulled on them when radio stations went all Nu Metal. Jewel has a great album, but it was not high production. They redproduced her album and put the new productions into films. She charted high largely after her release. They had to rerelease her album with the new production because the consumers wanted the movie versions. Basically making one album sell twice per consumer. And then mp3s get loose on the internet and you could find music for yourself. Changed a great many things.
The Sugar Ray albums "Lemonade and Brownies" and "Floored" sound basically nothing like their albums that came after. "Floored" is a great album and I highly recommend checking it out. Mark McGrath straight up admits the band sold out hard. They got such big radio airplay from "Fly" which wasn't originally even going to be on the "Floored" album and ended up being such a huge hit for them they changed their sound to match it.
@Kit Duguay I've long wondered if one day I would ever come across another person in the world who is also aware of Road Rash 64 and the bonkers soundtrack. Finally, I now know, there are indeed others like myself and I walk this path perhaps not as alone as I once believed.
"They wish they were Korn, "I" wish they were Korn." That's hilarious. Consolidation and centralization kills everything. Back in the day a radio DJ could make a band successful. Just keep playing their records. But the 2000s was all about every station playing the same songs.
"Consolidation and centralization kills everything. " Bingo. True in music, true in business, true in everything, especially politics. The bigger and more DC centric this nation becomes, the less free we are. Fat cats love to consolidate power and rule by fiat, whatever the industry, program or institution.
I have to give credit for Radio 104.5 in Philly for making Of Monsters and Men big in America by playing "Little Talks" non-stop. Yes it's a bit of an overplayed cliché now but at the time it was a quirky and endearing little indie tune that people looked forward to hearing.
Or a record label guy with a band's record and an 8-ball for the Program Director... Back in the early 90s, I took a communications course taught by Donna Halper (She's been involved with radio for eons and had a large hand in breaking Rush to US radio.) The stories she told about what went on in the 60s and 70s in radio were pretty interesting.
I remember when the telecommunications act passed. It effectively killed radio with personality and character, and dispensed with whatever airs and aspirations to artistic and aesthetic credibility radio had left. Streaming finished the job. I worked at a rock station and an "alternative" rock station from 1996-2000. Got out just in time...
Sadly the playlist today is so narrow its sad. The DJ's cannot simply play what they want anymore. It's the same old 90's hit tunes with an occasional new band. It killed not only rock radio but college radio too. College stations used to be THE place to hear alternative bands. A few years ago one of our local DJ's was fired for sneaking in a Motor Head song.
Now it's a voice that degrades the radio station and an MP3 CD's worth of music maybe too if you're lucky and a bunch of DJs that sound like they could be literally anywhere else on the planet having a better time there are certain exceptions but not many.
Luke The alternative station I worked out was independently owned, one of the first and most respected alternative stations in the country. We were one of the last hold outs as far as letting the DJs have a semblance of personality and having a say in their own programming. Eventually, like so many, we were bought out (in 2000!) by a bigger entity, and the homogenization and bastardization of the station began in earnest. Now the frequency is a country station, I think...
Agreed, they had 10+ years of success by then and they wanted to try something different. The Verve were an unstable band who had split up before Urban Hymns got recorded, then split up again before 2000.
There was also internal tension : their guitarist Graham Coxon was struggling with alcoholism and quit the band while they were recording Think Tank (which came out in 2003). They toured for that album and entered a hiatus until 2009 (when Coxon rejoined the band). And as you wrote, Gorillaz took off at the same time, and it became pretty clear Damon Albarn's focus shifted towards his "other" band for most of that decade.
In that way The Verve because Richard Ashcroft’s solo career. I don’t think this curse works with british or european bands. There’s a music world beyond america’s stage.
A big factor in Third Eye Blind's demise was when Kevin Cadogan was pushed out of the band following the recording of 'Blue'. His guitar parts made a MASSIVE difference for that band.
I agree 100%! Cadogan‘s guitar riffs were the secret sauce of Third Eye Blind’s sound. Awesome first album! Then greed and one huge ego blew it all up.
This is 100% part of the reason. They still had some radio presence with OOTV, but once Arion left they were completely done for. Also, I wish so bad that Rick would do a video on Kevin Cadogan.
I remember when the Clint Eastwood single came out and everyone was raving about the band and how mysterious they were; "Ooh, no one knows who's in the band!" and I was sitting there at 16 as a kid that had lived in front of Mtv since the mid-90's going "There's no way that's not Damon from Blur." I'm not a huge fan of Gorillaz past their first album but that is a great record.
Yeah he’s really ignoring that bands are like countries: the names and borders and makeup of the citizenry changes over time. The members of blur are massively popular now more than ever.
Oasis were ignored by rock radio too because they didn't fit in with that new aggressive format. Meanwhile, they were huge in England. "Wonderwall" was all I ever heard from them until 2002, when a friend of mine introduced me to the album "What's the Story(Morning Glory)". I later discovered their first album "Definitely Maybe". Both of these albums are masterpieces that were completely ignored by the radio stations I listened to in the 90s.
OK now, u lot made me curious. Were(/are) americans somehow unable to look for music that's not played on radio or s music channel on TV? Usually when I hear "good rap" of something I'll look for it and find out myself and don't expect people bringing it to my front door(or my favourite tv/ radio channel). Of course, today it is much easier to discover stuff, now that there's spotify and youtube etc.. but seriously it's not like in 90's bands generally released just one song either, and then u couldn't get to hear their albums and other stuff as well if you wanted. Or was it ?
I'm happily stuck in the 90s 🥰 I still make mixed CDs (lol) and every day on my commute to uni, I listen to my 90s playlists: Soundgarden, AIC, RATM, STP, Faith No More, Greenday, Offspring, Filter. Best era of music, hands down! 🎵
You forgot a big one: The Smashing Pumpkins! Pretty much the biggest band in the world in the mid 90s.. Sure they kept going after 2000 but never really hit those heights again
Rick forgets a lot of bands and musicians in his videos and so far has never responded to my comments regarding this issue . Maybe he’s too busy for input ? Johnny G
The only reason I don’t think this is a great example is because Billy Corgan remained somewhat relevant with a couple other projects, and even had some moderate hits with Zwan. Nothing Pumpkins level but he still had some radio hits in the early-mid 2000s.
2:40 wow you mentioned DOTN, Travis Meeks is my favorite songwriter, guitar player and vocalist of all time it's really a shame he hasn't really been in good health the past few years... It's depressing but I still enjoy and love that guys music. And also most of the other bands you mentioned are just incredible, I really wish more bands like them were out there still making music.
was watching a Days video & at the comments, a friend of Travis (supposedly) last saw him in prison. from memory, it was the shaved-head guy in the Touch Peel & Stand video. i can't find the comment anymore -- perhaps it got deleted. he's apparently doing better now, still playing music, but not recording. i hope it's true & i hope he's well.
I would definitely consider DOTN a post-grunge band. They just don't have the same flavor as the base grunge bands. Don't take this as me hating on them. I saw them live before they broke up and was glad to hear the rest of the band continue.
2:22 Blur was FAR more successful in their home country than they ever were here in the US. Damon Albarn formed the Gorillaz in 2001 and has had HUGE success with them for the 20 years since. I would say they don't necessarily fit in that category. Also, 311's biggest hits were after the year 2000, though I would agree their best stuff was before 2000.
Right? Blur was way more modern Jam-esque than the hard, alternative rock hit for which they were known in the States. Too bad. I’ll still take Oasis, in the big picture, but Blur was freaking awesome.
Funny enough when I moved back to Mexico in 2004, I found out about blur, cake, oasis etc. Apparently the US was trying to build a bubble when it came to artists from the US vs UK. Those bands were never in the rock stations where I lived.
Conversely most of these "y2k curse" bands never did anything in the UK in the first place. Which is an interesting observation. This video really brings home how different the UK was back then. Was there ever a time when rock music in the US and UK was as far apart as the 90s?
I agree with you, the decade took the best elements of the past decades and mixed great new soup out of it. Lots of "normal" talented people writing and performing their music alongside the popstars and manufactured artists. There were some really big and interesting music festivals and actual variety of musical styles in most of 'em. Classic studio techniques were at their prime, before computers (first slowly, later much more rapidly) took over. And people still bought their music in physical format which then become their property, which lead artists to get paid from the sales, and people went to the gigs to actually experience the gig and the music and not their cellphones. Wish I existed in that world, but I did not.
Surprised you didn't mention the affects of Napster and how that completely changed the game in the music industry. You had unsigned bands such as Dispatch with a huge following just from file sharing.
I think you are completely discounting how the Napster/file sharing era shaped what was considered a success in this period. In many cases these bands stopped selling albums because their listeners a few years older now maybe had some disposable income to have their own computers and were taking their new albums for free via file sharing... thus the sales fell off. Doesn’t necessarily mean the people abandoned listening to them... and what happens, companies see less sales from those 90s bands, and thus marketing for bands big in previous years is lessened or abandoned because they aren’t selling. Plus these bands that “survived” your curse many did so by being creative, in lots of different ways. Pearl Jam toured massively and made all those shows available for purchase... essentially making massive legal bootleg catalogs. Radiohead went multimedia with websites, animation, video “blips” and interactive things to draw upon obsessive fandom. Then later Radiohead even went down the you name your price ans download the album directly from them method. Beck kept going and being completely original by essentially shifting genres every release. Plus the ones that survived were really the Biggest ones. Nirvana ended but Grohl got Foo Fighters going at the right time to blow up right before the Napster thing happened. Other bands that kept going with bigger successes, RHCP, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Soundgarden(Chris Cornell), and to some extent Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, Green Day...these were really the biggest bands. They all had their bumps, solo career spots, down periods, etc, but they were big enough to weather that storm and adapt. Plus a last thought. A lot of bands went away, because as we got into the later 90s and early 2000s... a lot of these people died. Drugs, suicides, etc... we’ve lost soooo many of the best musicians and icons of the 90s rock music scene now, it’s so sad. And even the ones that didn’t pass away, drug use affected so many. Crazy who we lost from that era...Scott Weiland, Chris Cornell, Lane Staley and Mike Starr, Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Jeff Buckley, Delores O’Riordan, MCA, etc.
Yep and Napster was happening before Y2K in the late 90's it was beginning to gear up more and more. Huge impact on the industry. And lets face it, it was almost like cosmic payback to an industry that fucked everyone from the artist to the fans.
Yeah my band was one of the first to get an MP3 deal sanctions by MCPS..It killed music..Music its getting homogenous again...another revolution will happen just a matter o time
I used Napster to find music that was no longer in print, only, but I am a musician so I understood the value of support by fans. Thankfully I gave it up when they re-released most of the music I wanted to buy. Like Exodus Fabulous Disaster, 80's Coroner or Cynic albums.
I think the last true "popular" rock movement that happened was in the early 2000s, with bands like the White Stripes, the Killers, the Strokes, Franz Ferdinand...groove driven retro rock. After that, rock officially died as a "popular" music genre, there hasn't been a pop rock movement since.
The black keys? Not to forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, spiritualized, pulp/Jarvis projects, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade
I mostly agree, but I'd say that the emo/screamo movement in the 04-07 range is probably the very last hurrah of rock music (if you consider it a subset of rock, which I do... Loosely.) Now you have bands like imagine dragons claiming to be rock when it's all electronic sounds and no real lyrical substance.
@@dustinjones1907 the thing is though, that good rock is out there. The programmers just refuse to play it and all play this non-rock baloney they're trying to pass on to alt rock channels. It's maddening. But I agree that there was lots of good rock still happening on radio for much longer than Rick is suggesting here.
311 never stopped. They've been churning out great albums all along. Sure, they aren't mainstream anymore, but you could probably count on one hand the bands from that era that still are...
Third Eye Blind still one of my favorites that I listen to all their stuff up now I believe they're bass player not the original bass player.. but the bass players in the band on the past few records has recently passed..if this is the case my condolences anyways I just wanted to say props to Third Eye Blind
After he mentioned 311 being a band that didn’t do much after the 2000’s, I stopped listening, 311 DAY STARTED THE YEAR 2000. In 2020, they were supposed to go on a 50 state tour for being a band for 30 years. I went to 2 of their concerts and the last time they had a normal concert ( Covid-19)was 3/11/20 in Las Vegas and then in November 2020 they did a drive in concert. And in 2019, they had a movie in selected theaters. They also have comic books, their own cruise and a faithful fan base. 311 FOREVER .... Nick Hexum is still sexy
If we could settle in enough and appreciate what we have we'd be straight. We'd have more songs like 'Closing Time'.There's too much in our society that makes us hyped to something small and sleak and synthetic. Makes us precious, man
@@heatheraucoin5832 Rick spoke too soon on 311. Thing is, Smashing Pumpkins were huge throughout the 90s. Had no real reason to cash in on Dec. 2000. These big bands had the power to have defined the next decade.
If anything Deftones push back against the Nu-Metal title, especially since they accidentally created the genre itself lol. But yeah Deftones still good, if anything they got better.
As far as I know, they're the only one that really transcended the genre. They sort of escaped. All the others died out or just kept doing the same thing (Korn)
I find it kind of odd that you never mention post punk revival bands, in this video or your other videos. The strokes, killers, Interpol, arctic monkeys, franz ferdinand. All massive bands with huge followings and incredible records.
Yes and what about The White Stripes, The Hives, The Vines and Jet? All huge in the 2000's! Great Alternative Music was still around, but in came a New Generation 👍🎤🎸✨
Rick seems to have a massive blind spot for Indie Rock and Post-Punk Revival/Garage Rock. If you ask me, these are the albums that killed 90’s Alternative: 1) The Strokes “Is This It” 2) The White Stripes “White Blood Cells” 3) Interpol “Turn On The Bright Lights” 4) The Killers “Hot Fuss” 5) Spoon “Girls Can Tell” 6) Death Cab For Cutie “Transalanticism” 7) The Shins “Oh, Inverted World” 8) Yeah Yeah Yeahs “Fever To Tell” and there were suddenly dozens of other bands that solidified the scene more toward ‘04 and ‘05. (Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, Arcade Fire, The National, Vampire Weekend) Alternative radio got even further splintered by the emo bands that got big in the early 2000s as well as Lo-Fi Punk and Punk Pop. The rise of music blogging made everything exponentially more niche, whereas guitar driven music in the 80’s and 90’s was almost exclusively hair bands and grunge. Broadband Internet became available to way more people and people were eager to explore different sounds.
Yeah he does. This video has an interesting hypothesis but it’s not really what happened. Basically the bands you mentioned above are just all around better than what clear channel radio was shilling. I mean were people actually sad to see Bush or Sugar Ray fade into obscurity?
yeah i thought that as well in his "what killed rock?" video, he completely misses the post-punk revival movement which just severely undercut his thesis. how can you talk about the evolution of rock music and not mention the strokes? sort of feels like all his thoughts on the subject are a result of him having stopped listening to contemporary rock right around the turn of the century.
Rick was simply all over the place with his timeline and analysis. He skipped several bands. Also forgot some of the bands that started in the late 90s and pretty much led the charts thru the early/ mid 2000s.....these bands particularly appealed to the younger crowd. It simply shows how dated his mindset is on what he considers rock music.
The "post grunge" mid90s of the listed bands in the vid were a more accessible, sunnier side of alternative rock, with the ska pop punk of No Doubt skating into things too. I guess they were marketed as more radio friendly, video appealing than Seattle's first half of the decade dominance. They had a shinier, happier image and a more marketable sound that filled the post Nirvana void, and the younger crowd lapped it up. It carves an interesting bridge in the mid90s, that then leads to Korn and nuMetal in general. This mid90s scene devides the decade in half in a way. You get Seattle, and Big Stadium rock of GnR, and in hip hop:Gangsta Rap, Boyz 2 Men RNB. Then, after the "mid90s Bridge", its still the angst that grunge got going, only boiled and burrowed further down with NuMetal's downtuned chug. Throw in more parental targeted angst in there, too. Goth and shock rock was industrialized with Marlyn Manson antics. Pop meanwhile, was the resurgence of boy bands and Britney. The excess of 80s indulgences was back in a way all the same, through the frat boy humour of Limp Bizkit and nuMetal's leanings back to rock an' roll lifestyles. This is a brilliant discussion, worthy of many more time to listen to RIck's excellent analysis. The 90s were a fascinating decade in its "Two Halves" like that.
all history is made of what I'd call "expansion-contraction" cycles... or at least on thing then its opposite. Happy fast music vs. slower and depressing and so on. Music can't escape this kind of cycling. Every new generation has to take a position that feels opposite to the previous generation... kind of a way to get a cultural identity I guess
311 needs to be on the second list. They’re still going strong and are always in the top ten charts when releasing albums. Maybe not big label big but definitely independent success for sure.
@@KickflipGnasty 311 had a solid fanbase right up until the pandemic. My ex was into them, and I went to a show of theirs about a decade ago. The place was full (about 16k in a venue with 20k capacity) and everyone around me was singing along with every song. I don't care for them, but I see they have maintained a solid touring schedule year after year. If this video is about a list of bands that disappeared, then 311 doesn't belong in it. They might not be on the radio anymore, but who tf listens to the radio anyway? 311 is not my thing, but there are a lot of people who seem to love them. I respect their whole trip, and their focus on live shows. it's more like the Dead or Phish than it is like a typical album/tour rock band.
@@KickflipGnasty focus: the topic of this video is 90s bands that disappeared in the aughts. 311 is not one of those bands. They still fill venues and they still sell records. The same can't be said for the bands Beato discusses in this video
@@KickflipGnasty It's not semantics, and you're missing the point. The topic is "the death of 90's Alternative Bands like Live, Cake, Tonic, etc." Those are bands that basically don't exist anymore. 311 doesn't belong on that list. Period.
Well sonny.. we lived through it. Someday soon, you too will experience further consolidation of media, when Amazon buys the remaining six or puts them out of business. On that day.. five years from now.. you'll know what Rick is talking about.
It makes me think of the story of how the Swedish band Roxette broke into USA. The band was a succes in Sweden, but the record company didn't have faith in the for a big promotion in USA. Then one day an american kid, who had been an exchange student in Sweden, insisted that the local radio played the record he had brought all the way from Sweden. When the radio played it, the lines blew up. Everybody wanted to hear that track again and so Roxette's international career was born. Think about it, one kid and one radio station. This is the sort of thing that doesn't happen today.
I think bands like The Strokes, The Killers, Arctic Monkeys and all those indie guys were the nail in the coffin for 90s bands as these guys brought back a classic rock and new wave sound.
Yeah idk why Rick keeps ignoring this genre, like yeah it's not quite blues inspired, but that's the point. Arctic monkeys are one of the most popular bands rn, they hit 1b views on their most popular song, you might not like them, but their music created a whole tumblr subculture.
those bands had a lot of overlap with the dance punk acts of the time both geographic and musically, bands like the rapture, yeah yeah yeahs and lcd soundsystem were based in New York and played like a renewed version of the dancy acts from the no wave scene like ESG and Rosa Yemen. The Lyrics in LCD soundsystem's "losing my edge" are a very cool snapshot of the scene where James Murphy was a DJ, he was the one who played Can, the sonics, gil scott heron in Indie parties but then up and coming DJs who were early adopters of the internet had as much knowledge of classic and obscure bands as James despite being so much younger and inexperienced. It seems like knowing your rock and electronic music history became the new commodity in the late 90's-early 2000's
The strokes man!!! Give em a go Rick. Never heard you mention them. I feel like they had a hand in making some 90’s band sound somewhat redundant. Did for me anyway.
Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't mention the garage rock scene here. That and pop punk becoming popular had just as much if not more to do with '90s alt rock bands becoming yesterday's news than nu-metal. Sure, a lot of the people who would be listening to thrash or heavy grunge moved on to nu-metal, but the average rock fans and college/high school students went for the more melodic and radio friendly stuff like Blink-182, The Killers, etc...
You forgot Beck!!! He survived Y2K! His style is so eclectic and ever-evolving that you could do a whole episode on the unsung (until lately) musical genius and influencer.
@@sparkeyjones6261 His 13th album, Colors, won Best Alt Music Album and Best Engineered Album at the 2019 Grammys. He also won Album of the Year in 2015 for Morning Phase (Remember when Kayne disapproved because Beyoncé lost again?)
@@frankfionn, I think Wilco is a good example of a band that produced some good albums in the 90s, but grew with popularity after 2000 (as based on the chart success of the albums). Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is their top selling album, I believe, and my personal favorite is Sky Blue Sky. However, I think perhaps Rick didn’t include some of those bands because they were really never that “big” in the 90s. Wilco’s top selling album would be one of Blur’s lowest selling albums, for example (Blur, ParkLife and Great Escape all selling for 2.5 to 3 million copies). I think ultimately Rick was mentioning bands who were quite popular amongst casual fans and radio listeners, not music connoisseurs or musicians themselves. But I dont speak for Rick. Maybe it was a time thing.
I wouldn't have put 311 on that list. They had multiple albums after 2000, that generated quite a bit of success for the band. One of the biggest hits they've ever had is Love Song. And that was definitely in the early to mid-2000s.
Was going to say the same thing, they had a singular sound and not coincidentally a large cult to fall back on. A lot of these other bands just rode the zeitgeist into oblivion. Plus, From Chaos (2001) is their best record.
There was a lot of great alternative rock in the mid/late 90s (The Catherine Wheel, Curve, Eels, Hum, Built To Spill, Spiritualized, Superchunk, Supergrass) but, like you said, radio wouldn't play them. Our local alternative station seemed to play that terrible Metallica cover 'Turn The Page' every hour but ignored a lot of great music.
Spiritualized is still around. Not to also forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade or creep for their fan base to exist again
@@alltherebelsaredead7756 That just shows your ignorance, both with respect to Hum and the others. Hum's Downward Is Heavenward has lots of great tunes (Ms Lazarus and Green To Me for example) as does You'd Prefer An Astronaut. And I'm just a casual fan of theirs.
@@alltherebelsaredead7756 Built To Spill are great and they have inspired a lot of 2000's indie and alternative bands despite being quite in the shadows for the general audience.
Could you do a video on the mystery of Nickelback? Why does everyone hate them but they’re so successful? Is there anything good about them from your perspective? Why do they have the public perception they have? I’m interesting in how you’d weigh in on this! Also, any options on the music of Fuel? I feel like their first to records were genuinely good. I’m so curious what you’d think.
Well, they claim to be metal, but get big airtime still, with cheesy hits like 'Afternoon' and 'Photograph'. If they would market themselves differently, they wouldn't get so much hate. It distorts the public view on what actually is metal music. It's like Jethro Tull, winning best metal album for 'crest of a knave' (which is a fantastic album, just not metal, more like folk prog rock). In my mind Nickelback is far down the food chain, lower than modern day Bush. Just huge sellouts who rode their winning formula to death and forgot what it's all about.
311 is no longer commercially "successful", but continues to put out music. They also have one of the largest and most fervent fan bases next to the Dead and Phish, and tour every year
I literally had it made almost the same comment before I saw yours over 3 million monthly listeners Spotify and apple music combined 10 albums released from 2000 to 2019 and they have a live album that came out this year and with it being alive album there is definitely a crowd there.... I mean come on they sell out 311 day every year
I second this motion 311 should not be on that list. 311 came to Chicago every summer from 2006 to 2017 and played at Northerly Island which holds like 8000 or so people. Then yeah Amber was a huge song commercial for them. They even played it on a radio station called 93 xrt which never played any of their other songs.
You finally mentioned The Verve, probably my favourite band. What you missed in this analysis including them was that they broke up due to personal problems-namely, their wives not getting along if I remember correctly-rather than popularity issues; they were still popular in the United Kingdom after breaking up and later got a top spot at Glastonbury in 2008 during their brief reunion. That said, you should definitely do a video on one of their singles from _Urban Hymns_ or _A Northern Soul_ to dissect exactly what made them sound so good and unique.
@@reillywalker195 Richard wrote most of Urban Hymns, & has said it was going to be his solo album, but they ended up bringing the band back in to record parts, & he sounded pretty bitter that he wasn’t getting the proper credit for it in a video that I saw. I love Nick, but those songs are Richard’s, & he has shown he’s much more interested in his solo thing. Saw home with Liam solo and they both blew me away. Nick may be open to it, but that’s ‘cause he’s the scorned one
Just for the sake of conversation, 311 is still alive and doing relatively well by carving out their own niche and by doing it all themselves. kinda like dave matthews band they have a loyal following and 311 releases very listenable albums every few years.
What I find interesting: almost every band being put as an example for bands that didn‘t make it (except Bush, Alanis Morissette and Blur) weren‘t present on MTV Europe and were mostly unknown here. (I only know most of them because MTV aired the US Top 20 once per week, which I found very intersting and liked to watch.) Speaking of Germany, you had to order records from bands like Goo Goo Dolls or Mighty Bosstones in shops, they usually weren‘t on display in the shelves. Whereas bands that, according to your list, stayed successful, were, I wouldn‘t say „big“, but known in Europe. Green Day and Blink 182 were big. They had several singles being played on heavy rotation in commercial radio, Weezer and Creed at least were One Hit Wonders (With Arms Wide Open, Buddy Holly) But all of these mentioned examples were bands that Alternative music magazines would do stories about - and if you stayed up long enough, you could even see their videos on MTV‘s Headbangers Ball or Alternative Nation (Tool, Incubus, Korn)
3 Doors Down also had a #1 in our country post-2000 (but then, I think they are a 2000s band anyway)! :D But if a rock song somehow made it in the singles-charts post-2000 in Germany, it was almost always the ballad...(well, okay, HIM's Join Me and that one Nickelback song weren't ballads, but otherwise?).
All the more reason not to have our internet access taken away. Now we're finally able to get to know all those bands that would otherwise have been killed by mainstream media and large music producers. A whole new world went open when I got to know sites like Bandcamp, learned to appreciate so many more styles of music that I never thought I would have before.
I guess Rick was thinking from the perspective that their commercial peak was in the mid 90s. The self-titled album is their biggest selling album and Down was all over the place on MTV and radio.
i feel like nu-metal was really the last subgenre of rock music that we could have discovered. I haven't heard anything as fresh in rock since then, with the exception of some niche noise rock bands.
@@JG-nx3jg emo started in the mid-late 80s with D.C. emotional hardcore bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace, then in the 90s bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, The Promise Ring, Cap'n Jazz, Texas Is the Reason, and The Get Up Kids pioneered second-wave/midwest emo. most of what people think of as "emo" isn't really what emo was about
So many subgenres since then, if you consider them falling under "rock music". Listen to "Physical Education" by Animals As Leaders or "Blood Orange" by Berried Alive. Radically different takes on about
I also love the Throwing Copper album from live. I bought the CD back then and listened to it in the car. 25 years and few cars later, the CD is still in there. I still enjoy listening to it. Great album👍🏻
I wouldn’t call it huge. It “only” went gold and SSLJ was the only memorable single released. Prolonging the Magic and Fashion Nugget both went platinum so there was a significant decrease in popularity. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying popularity automatically equals quality.
Listened to Fashion Nugget just the other day. Also saw Cake when they came this site of The Pond. Good act with a novel slant. As Jackson Browne once sang: All good things gotta come to an end...
Yeah I don't agree with CAKE being put in this category. Comfort Eagle (2001) Pressure Chief (2004) Showroom of Compassion (2011) All fantastic albums. Having said that I don't think of it as a curse, most bands "last" for 5-15 years so a lot of them naturally didn't do much in the 00's, which happened to coincide with a terrible new genre that was nu-metal.
Not to forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade or creep for their fan base to exist again
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about the Pumpkins. Billy pretty much wanted the band to implode after melon collie. I still listen to the early SP albums frequently today, but I could never connect with anything past adore.
You guys have to listen to Billy on Joe Rogan. He talks exactly about this in great detail. How the industry whored them out, how his own ego enabled it and how it ultimately all lead to him sabotaging the band
Right! The "rock" station in my town plays the same songs every day including songs like, 'Hit me with your best shot' and other old stuff that has been played out years ago, and there are two classic rock stations. What a sad joke that is being played on us. There is absolutely no creativity, ingenuity, or real DJ'ing going on in this corporate rock environment.
@@cobyg419 I wrote to my local Classic Rock program manager complaining specifically about "Hit Me With Your Best Shot". I wrote that Pat has 50 other great songs! Surprisingly, the program manager actually wrote back and was very sympathetic to my comments. But he said, even as "program manager" he had ZERO input on what songs were allowed on that radio station. Very frustrating.
I think ur reverence for the '90s is very well placed. As a HS grad in '93, my music was/is Grunge & Alternative, but for me, the '90s was the greatest decade for music because of the diversity. It's the only period of time, that I can think of, where so many different generas shared the common consciousness.
In the 60's I could turn on the radio and hear the Monkees, The Beatles, Creedence, the Temptations, Jefferson Airplane, The Staples ,( a good assortment of R&B,) Buck Owens, Glen Campbell, Steppenwolf, The Carpenters...etc etc....you did not find that many genres on the radio during the 90's
I totally agree! I felt so lucky to be a teen in the 90s - We had alternative, r&b, hip hop, club / house music, freestyle, quiet storm, pop - just to name a few!
@@kitano0 I agree completely, and it’s because the 60s saw an openness to true diversity by people willing to buck the establishment. Now, “diversity” is brought to you by (fill in corporation).
There's always people that were not paying attention to world events that believe that a certain time in their life was calm with no problems. I was a kid in the 90s, so yeah it was a pretty carefree time for me. But read some history books sometime man. Seriously.
Everyone who grows up in a particular decade thinks that it was the golden age. Tail-end boomers, like me, think that about the 70's, Gen-xers think that about the 80's. Truth is that every decade had a bunch of great music that came out of it. Also, every decade had it's turmoil but the younger you were during that particular time, the less you were aware of or cared about it.
the 1990's was the greatest decade in Western civilization, due to a particular combination of things that'll never happen again - the calm was true... alternative bands, like the Pixies for example, who also had slow songs, often injected a kind of adrenaline, joie de vivre, agitation mixed with crafted Beatles pop to instill a sense of excitement because real life was so slow, boring, safe, kinda lame and we were desperate every day to find an enjoyable way to get through the plodding, slow-ticking, second hand of the almighty clock - kids will never know what it was like with the modern 24/7 internet
@@graze105 this more then anything. You know its true because now your starting to see this to the 00s. Now granted 00s were excellent for video games... but homeland security never existed before 01-03 and times were high tension then, there's always high tension times
I was one of those people! We worked hard on those computer systems for years leading up to Y2K, ran dress-rehearsals etc. I was in the office on 1st Jan 2000 and after an hour and a half with no planes falling out of the sky we were told we could go home, done deal.
You can't really count Blur as succumbing to the Y2K bug. They played a particularly British type of music that is difficult to translate to other cultures and tends to have a short life span anyway. Their frontman, Damon Albarn, reinvented his sound and moved on to form Gorillaz which was very relevant band in the 2000s. Also, the 90s music scene was pretty intense. Maybe a lot of the members of these bands that were huge in the 90s were just burnt out by all the hype and touring by the end of the decade.
Also, Gorillaz became probably bigger that Blur was. I saw Blur at First Ave for both the Great Escape and Blur tours. They played twice as many songs during the Song 2 period in the same length set, with mostly the same set list. Everything sped up and with more distortion.
Honestly, I think the post 9/11 sentiment in America drove a lot of the popularity of aggressive music. When you look at it, the music trends from 2000 weighed against 2002 are incredibly stark. Crisis did for metal what the shadow of Cobain's death did for Pop Rock in the mid-90's; it caused sensibility to flee to the "Alternative".
I'm waiting for the crisis of 2020 to bring the masses back to metal again. Probably never happen though, the youth these days are fucking stupid, I'm not talking about a generational observation, they are legitimately fucking stupid. Case and point; the Spotify Top 10 video Rick did in Sept, Cardi B was #1. for fuck sake. That's who this generation has chosen to be their leader? Cardi FUCKING B.
Rick, what about the influence of indie rock in the 2000's?! I think you're ignoring an important era of music. An era with a lot of variety: alternative rock roots: the Strokes, Interpol, Libertines, White Stripes etc. Radiohead influence: My Morning Jacket, Grizzly Bear etc. Neutral Milk Hotel influenced folk rock: Decemberists, Okkervil River etc and some original/combination of the above: Death Cab for Cutie, Arcade Fire, Deerhunter etc. This indie push (and this is just a small sampling off the top of my head) was huge and very influential for its time. I am curious to know what you think of this genre. Thanks.
What’s everyone’s issue with auto tune? If it fits the sound of the music then why not? I can understand people’s frustration when someone is trying to pass off auto tune as their natural singing voice but that’s such a small minority of vocalists, it’s practically forgettable
@@linkolinguino Actually it's a vast majority of vocalists, even though many aren't even aware that the engineers did it. But it's like CGI and wigs, you only notice the bad ones! And honestly, if you can't tell, then what's the issue? The main issue is whether the song is any good.
@@linkolinguino auto tune is just indicative of the music approach as a whole. Over producing in an attempt to perfect and in the process taking all the raw energy and much of the emotion out of the music.
Auto tune is never going to disappear. If you want to make something that will stand the test of time, you have to make it as perfect as possible. Autotune helps with that. Also, you need to sing well anyway. Autotune doesn't fix bad singing. It's not really a genre thing. Autotune and pro tools-like software aren't going away. Tape isn't coming back. Those DAWs make music making accesible to anyone and not just people with loads of money or record deals. Also it's a PITA to record on tape. Editing is a hassle. It sucks. IDK why anyone would want to willingly torture themselves.
@@PeteJake100 I can see what you’re saying, but what about music that can elicit emotion without the use of raw instruments? What about electronic music, where auto tune and pitch shifting are common? Or 808 samples? Not all music that elicits an emotional response is made with raw instruments, there are many electronic genres that can do so strictly digitally (EDM, R&B, hip hop, pop, etc). I think the main reason people rip on autotune isn’t for the sake of criticizing overproduction, but more of an elitist approach at saying “if you make music without using physical instruments, you have no talent and it isn’t really music” or “if you use auto tune you’re a fraud/cheater who can’t sing”
I’d argue that 311 still hung around and had moderate success with their records - they still tour arenas, actually! Rick, you should do a “what makes this song great” on an unexpected 311 track :)
I second this! 311 - What makes this song great 😃 Also, yeah. Two biggest 311 hits were Down and Amber. Not sure which one was bigger. I think Beautiful Disaster became big later as it was in Guitar Hero.
I always wondered what happened to Cake, one of my favourite bands. Now, thanks to Mr Beato, I know why Cake and the other artists mentioned seemed to disappear. The point about the concentration of ownership of labels is spot on , more concentration = less diversity which is kinda not good for creative industries that thrive on a diverse ecosystem of ideas and people.
@@2gobeond remember this too: these 6 corporations own all the major media news outlets. They dictate what you believe in politics and society. They've taken over all information including music.
He is completely wrong, music changes, people change their taste, American is not the world, it didn't happen anywhere else. Cake, Blur still make music 😭😭😭
@@2gobeond Cake is a great band, for sure. The Pursuit of Happiness is another cool band that faded away. I was just thinking about how successful artists would become interested in producing, and mentor/develop up and coming bands. I don't hear too much about that anymore. It seems like dudes like Max Martin produce the bulk of popular music. No wonder, then, that it sounds the same.
I agree with the fate of all of those bands mentioned except 311. They did not disappear of suffer from a curse. They had good albums after 2000. More albums after 2000 than before and sell out concerts to this date and are TREMENDOUS live.
I was supposed to see them and incubus last year but Covid ruined it. 311 has been an all time favorite of mine for years and that was gonna be my first chance to see them live. Still pretty mad about it.
Good albums don't matter if the topic is, pretty much, a shift in what is popular, and what is being played on popular platforms like mainstream radio. An established fanbase is an entirely different beast: its a niche.
@@morricane5087 the title of the video implies these acts are ‘dead’. In that, he is wrong about 311 in particular. They make more money now than they ever did in the 90s, because they actually own their music and aren’t slaves to a big label.
2:24 - Happy you mention Dada. An incredibly underrated Trio of great writers-instrumentalist-singers who unfortunately had too much 'roots' and 'tradition' in their high musicianship and as such were overlooked by the new and 'hip' thing called Gunge, which means they never made it big as I believe they deserved. Dada's 1992 debut 'Puzzle' is a must have record for anyone who enjoys uncompromising good songwriting, well crafted and very well executed. A gem of a record.
@@461909S Did't know that, thanks for the info. I also own they sophomore release 'American Highway Flower' and 'El Subliminoso', both very fine albums. Saw them live several times @ Washington D.C.' 'The Bayou', between 1995 and 1998 but then lost touch w/ the band after I moved out of the area. 7Horse you say? Gonna check it out.
Green Day had a pretty crazy comeback in 2004. I think they really did a good job capitalizing on pop punk being such a big thing at the time. Before then they were still around and releasing singles, but they were still mostly known for Dookie.
Mmm...nah Nimrod was a massive release, and Insomniac is now regarded as a punk rock classic. I think when they went more commerical in '04 their songwriting became mad inconsistent, but hey people liked it.
Speaking as a Gen Xer within than band, I didn't stop wanting to buy or listen to new music when I hit 30 - it's just that the new bands being promoted became less and less relevant to my tastes. Here in the UK, the increasing desperation of the music press to find the 'next big thing' from about 1997 onwards didn't help matters.
That implies that something magical happens at 30 (?). I will say that most of the bands Rick mentions had long "enough" careers, it's not as if they were cut short. The early 90s was a great time for music... U2, REM, The Cure, and many veteran alternative bands were at their peak, and were finally getting their due... while Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, among many many others in various alternative music genres, were emerging, and getting massive attention. But it was a quick turnaround: In comes the Disneyfied Spice Girls and Brittney Spears, and now we've had essentially 20 years of cartoon dance pop disco avatars. I think if you are a Gen X alternative music fan, you likely skipped past many of the bands Rick mentions, and went straight to Wilco, Black Keys, White Stripes, Shins, and now War on Drugs, etc. NONE of those are going to compete "corporately-speaking" with "dance pop disco" so they won't get played, but who cares?
Hey Rick, why don't you ever talk about Blind Melon? They were a stand out guitar band with a great singer and very interesting in the way the 2 guitars interweaved their parts together over the progression. I think Soup is one of the most underrated albums of the 90's.
Rick, I would love to hear your take on the Brit Pop/Manchester scene that gained traction in the early early 90's. Stone Roses era. Like what you thought of the music, your favorite bands, who the main producers/production teams were behind it, and what happened to it.
Yes! So many great UK bands around that time, I would also include some contemporary scenes like shoegaze and trip-hop, which were quite interesting as well
It's funny, the 2000s might be the last time we have a pop culture in common. The internet is so siloed, I'm listening to great NEW music all the time and I know for a fact nobody else on the planet is listening to it.
@@Crazytechnition U gotta remember theres a lot more hands in the pot it was likley the stones managment or the record companies who really wanted to pursue it.... I cant be sure but I would hope keith or mick wouldnt have sued them out of their own intrests as they have so much money.
Many of the acts that disappeared did nothing outside of the US. Those he quotes as survivors typically did well all round the world. P.S. Blur broke up and spawned Gorillaz
It wasn't so much that 'the people' wanted more nu-metal, but the new gatekeepers of radio decided that this was what 'the people' were going to have. 'Let them eat bizkit!'
To be fair to 311, arguably their biggest hit, "Amber", came out in 2001 and they also had a big hit in their cover of "Love Song" in 2004 in the movie Fifty First Dates. "Don't Tread on Me" also came out in 2005.
@@jah9253 meant to say arguably, but both were big hits. Point is, they didn't fade out in the 90s like some of those other bands and still heavily toured and put out records.
I like this theory. A lot of bands just fall apart naturally. Alanis Morissette just got rich and stopped making content. I think the money killed her creative edge. The Bare Naked Ladies fell apart due to one member's drug abuse. Success can kill. How some people survive all that and continue to make great content is the real mystery to me.
This makes me really think back about Edwin McCain. He was huge for about 2 years and then just disappeared. So much talent and amazing song writing skills. I was a kid that grew up on Metal but for some reason Edwin really reverberated with me.
That song Solitude maybe better than any other song before or since captured the pain suffered by so many kids in this society growing up with parents who couldn't be bothered. The 90s was when "Youth Homes" and "Boot Camps" were heavily marketed to selfish middle class parents. Some sincerely thought the programs could help their children with the "behavioral issues" their emotional neglect helped create but in reality most just wanted their "problems" to disappear. I think McCain's song was a response to that phenomenon. If you were living in the Southeast at the time you probably heard Edwin McCain earlier and more frequently than the rest of the country. Darius Rucker sang back up in that track and there were bands from that region that they labeled the "No Depression" movement, Hootie being the breakout stars (and by far my least favorite).
I saw Edwin live a couple times and he had at least 3 great albums, but I haven't heard any newer songs that I really enjoyed as much by him. Still a crazy talented singer/songwriter.
Interesting that Incubus survived when Goo Goo Dolls didn't. likewise with Creed vs Live. I had a feeling that Britpop was going to get a mention, aside from Damon moving from Blur to Gorillaz all the associated acts seemed to vanish rather rapidly.
I think S.C.I.E.N.C.E. was probably enough to help Incubus survive :p Make Yourself was not bad either, whereas Goo Goo Dolls had Iris as a hit song but in general were pretty boring musically.
Goo pivoted really quickly into adult contemporary. By 2005-ish they were receiving regular airtime on my local adult contemporary station, and have enjoyed a fair bit of success in that genre since then. Incubus stumbled a little in the mainstream in the early part of the '00s but by 2006 when Light Grenades came out, had managed to latch on to something at least commercially palatable-that record had about twice as many singles as A Crow Left of the Murder... which had come out only a few years earlier. 2001's Morning View just happened to be lightning in a bottle, and honestly I don't think they ever truly found it again.
The Verve and Blur basically split to do different projects...Richard Ashcroft has a successful solo career but Verve did headline the biggest festival in the world Glastonbury in 2008. Blurs Damon Albarn went on playing with Gorillaz but both Blur and Gorillaz went on to also headline Glastonbury. I don’t think they disappeared...they pretty much disbanded as they had already had their hay days.
Exactly, Verve (original name, before a lawsuit forced them to change their name to THE VERVE) were essentially a stargaze psychedelic Brit pop band. After their acclaimed Storm In Heaven was released, they started to have issues from within the band. Richard Ashcroft wanted to be the Biggest Band in the World, where guitarist Nick McCabe had zero desire to be such. Their sound took a proverbial turn down the fork in the road with A Northern Soul. That album displayed a different approach to everything from songwriting to production. Gone was the heavy focus on Ambience and more on clarity. That alone changed Verve, and the tension from within started to tear them apart.
@@muttonmark That wasn't really it. I read an interview with McCabe once and he acknowledged that how their sound changed was a natural progression for them especially given Ashcroft's lyrics. Recall as well that it was Ashcroft who left the band briefly in 1995 and later asked McCabe to rejoin after he reformed the band with Simon Tong as lead guitarist instead. In reality, it was their wives not getting along at the time that pushed the band apart. McCabe is on good terms with Ashcroft now and open to a reunion, but he knows it's unlikely given Ashcroft's falling out with drummer Peter Salisbury.
@Luke Yeah but boy bands were especially heinous. There really was a climate of mutual disgust between the nu-metal edgy bois and the vapid boyband fare. MTV had a pop vs. rock hour where they were pitted against each other. Watch any teenage film from the era and you'll see the dynamic.
@@distortingjack And now, the parallel pop and rock both reaching the charts has changed. Rock has gone further underground, and the new competitor for pop is rap.+
I think Mr Albarn might be having a quiet chuckle at this as he's doing rather well for himself and Blur did I seem to remember headline Glastonbury in 2009. I don't actually recall however a lot of the bands you recall and it's actually a pity that some survived...
Gorillaz is very much alive due to Albarn colabing with hip hop, indie and other artists. He has probably done more for hip hop culture than some of these new rappers by making songs with De la Soul, Del the Funkee Homosapien, MF Doom, Vince Staples, Pusha T, Mos Def ect.
@@imaXkillXya exactly. He's far more influential than he's credited for. Not to mention how he keeps introducing people to non-Western music, with his African projects and collaborations with Middle Eastern musicians. As an Arab living in Europe, I'm so grateful for the beautiful work he's been doing to fight racism and cultural prejudices by promoting unity and diversity, while still not taking anything away from the original identity of each culture he gets in contact with. Who says you can't be patriotic and cosmopolitan at the same time?
Britpop was about as short-lived as grunge. It coincided with the rise of pop-punk here in the U.S. A bright spark for a relatively brief time, at least comercially. Blur were never that big in the States, though, and they didn't really have a hit here until they released "Song 2," which honestly wasn't very characteristic of them.
As a 20 year old that prefers all the old stuff, I found it really interesting how 90s bands died out so quickly, compared to other genres that really elft an imprint. I also find it really confusing how a band from the 60s, with a much smaller and specific fanbase (old people) can be more famous than bands from the 90s.
I'm 44 and grew up in the 90s. Outside of bands like Nirvana, I never felt like most of those 90s alternative bands had broad commercial appeal. They were competing with the "Nu Metal," but also the growth of other genres like rap and hip hop that were growing in leaps and bounds. What I remember most about the last 90s music was the popularity of the boy bands. I thought they'd fade out, yet over 20 years later we still see versions of them now and again. I guess because they're profitable and easy to market. It's clearly not about the music quality.
Baby boomers are a large population and they had way less artists to choose from. The Beatles were always front page news. Then additional generations join the fan base. You get fan trickle-down with older bands. Newer rock bands don't have the same snowball of fans. It takes decades and it has to be the kind of music you'd want to share with your kids (Beatles yes, Limp Bizkit not so much)
Well, “Live” did give themselves the least searchable band name of all time...
Google didn't really exist then...
Tool gives them a run for their money though!
Sorry to correct you, but it's pronounced "Live".
Lol nice, even though I love them. Based on a true story.
I saw Live in Kansas City in 2019. They are still around just playing smaller venues like Casinos.
Day after Y2K: every station in KC played Prince's "1999" for a week straight, and when they finally stopped, all the stations had changed their formats. The weirdest part was that no one seemed to notice but me. I would ask people what they thought about, what was to me, this HUGE shift, and all I ever got as an answer were these heads cocked sideways like confused dogs. They simply hadn't noticed that the Flaming Lips etc had just been replaced by the Backstreet Boys etc, en masse and across the country. Like invasion of the body snatchers or something. Thanks for addressing these issues, Rick. I seriously felt alone in noticing these things. Your perspective and information are most appreciated.
bro I got curious do you have more about this?
Similar thing happened on jan 1 1990.. other than a lucky few acts that were able to navigate the crossing out of the 80s.. no hair band could even get their calls returned by the guy booking acts for the county fair. People were just done with it... the glam and excess suddenly seemed old and contrived.
I had to hit the thumbs up button after your Invasion of the Body Snatchers comment. So true.
There was a time during the 90's when The Breeders were in regular rotation on Z100, the main "hits" stations in NYC. The format didn't last until 2000, maybe until '97 or so, with a brief crossover to the more Third Eye blind "post grunge" style of bands, but I remember thinking it was incredible this happened when up until around '92 it was the realm of Phil Collins and Whitney Houston.
When the boy bands started getting pushed that was indeed the end of rock on "hits" radio, and it's basically never come back except maybe for the occasional tune.
I was there, I remember. 96.5 was alt, 93.3 was pop and 98.9 was metal. Its like you were a part of one of those stations or nothing.
The fact that a band like Cake got tons of radio play tells you just how crazy diverse the 90s music industry was
I'd say Alternative radio was diverse in the early 90's (up to about 1993). From around 1993 and on, the format was favoring grunge or harder rock edged music.
@@Rob-n2fRick Beato in several other videos details how this happened. The Telecommunications act of 1996, where major broadcast companies bought up many stations & starting circulating a formatted playlists since the late 90s. As why playlists wasn’t diverse.
I'm surprised REM wasn't mentioned among the casualties! Something we don't talk enough about 90's alt-rock is how wonderfully ORGANIC/roots-y it was. So much Hammond B3, maybe a little mandolin, etc. When that scene died, pop music lost those organic elements, besides maybe some John Mayer, and anything country-ish.
That said, as a big fan of heavy music, it's fun now to reminisce about Nu-Metal decades later. I quickly got swept up in the craze in 1998 as a 12 year-old, but by 2001, "Nu-Metal" became quite the dirty-word/insult/punchline among metalheads until "emo" blew up ~2005-06. Looking back though, I can't deny the *massive* influence Nu-Metal had in shaping my taste in heavy music, even if I would never listen to it nowadays. Thanks, Rick!
I wouldn't call R.E.M. a part of the 90's alternative rock movement. They had been around since the 80's and they were alternative rock before it was even called that. Back in the 80's they were considered college rock.
Rick's shirt really ties the room together.
Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man.
LOL
yeah, it rly does
"TH-cam pee'd on my fuckin' shirt, man!"
This y2k curse will not stand, man...
The fact that the the major Media outlets in America went from being owned by 50 companies in 1983 to SIX(!) in 2011 should be absolutely bone-chilling.
Everyone complains about the tech giants now, but they're just benefiting from the loosening of enforcement of competition standards over the the course of decades. I never thought to associate this with the increasing homogenization of music, but it certainly makes sense. It's happening right now with movies too.
and fake news was born! 1996 Telecommunications Act signed into law by Bill Clinton
@@jasonboness3871 I'm not sure what fake news has to do with it, but okay...
@Luke It's not just those sectors. It's every sector. 10 companies control the food industry.
I heard it put this way before the 80s ended in 92 the '90s ended in '98.
@@redskullz1249 Are you that ignorant?
I am forever telling everyone how the Telecommunications Act was the worst thing to ever happen to popular music.
More like the monopoly act
It's all about big businesses donating to political campaigns or the "foundations" of a politicians wife or family member. The same thing is happening right now. How many little stores were closed in the name of public health? Walmart, Target, Costco, and the major supermarket chains are still open. That's because they have the most money to make the biggest donations. It's not about public health, it's about greed.
@@baltax11 INDEED. People are like the 90's were so great, I am like, not if you even paid a little attention below the surface.
@@jontowers6780 I totally talk about this as well. We are losing the fight big time and even myself has had to use big box consumerism more than I am comfortable with because of Covid. It really gets under my skin and I can't wait for this to be over. Small business is something that we need for people with not affluent backgrounds to have a shot in this rigged and over praised beyond critique economic structure.
@@megazillion2946 Hate to break it to you, but it aint ever gonna be over, were just getting started.
You forgot the curse of Silverchair and they said they would make it up to you in the year 2000
Diorama, from 2002, is a fantastic album, but got no attention. People had moved on.
They are such an interesting story to me. The lead singer has one of the greatest voices of all time but they came around at a terrible time, and tried to be something they weren't (like a Coldplay type) and that killed them.
You mean the singer who had anorexia from stress and arthritis so had to quit for a while?
Their album with the orchestra still is so amazing to listen to, to this day. Electric Ballroom I think it is called?
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Neon Ballroom
Also important to note the split between Alternative and what would become Indie Rock around this time. Between 1999-2001, records like Modest Mouse's Moon and Antartica, Radiohead's Kid A, The Strokes This Is It were all coming out, and a few years later Arcade Fire, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and LCD Soundsystem would get big. But these bands were driven by music blog on the internet like Pitchfork and not radio play. I remember in 2002 the rock stations were still playing Papa Roach and Incubus, but all cool kids were listening to Interpol, Wilco and Spoon on their iPods - which were also released in 2001. Maybe it wasn't just consolidation in radio, but the end in relevance in radio?
Nu-metal made alt-rock radio so bad I started listening to R&B pop stations. 50 Cent, Eminem, Shakira, Beyoncé... at least that all had a nice beat and those artists weren’t screaming at me.
All great bands should be kept in a hush ,,, he’s talking about the real “ sellouts”
If we could settle in enough and appreciate what we have we'd be straight. We'd have more songs like 'Closing Time'.There's too much in our society that makes us hyped to something small and sleak and synthetic. Makes us precious, dammit
Korn is like a lot of bands w an element to their sound. They have domestic escapism and catharsis. Depeche Mode's atmosphere is that of pure romance. Metallica --war, machine guns. Elements are long lasting and so are they
Korn is also kill porn ,, the little Xcitement in violence ,, that today is comical
I'd add Oasis survived the curse as well. They just couldn't survive each other.
I don't get why people keep shitting on them. Yeah, many songs weren't that original (which they always admitted). But they were definitely one of the most punk bands out there, even though their music wasn't punk.
@@voodoo194 I was always a casual fan until about 5yrs ago the TH-cam algorithm took me on a ride through all of their B-Sides and now they are top 5 for me easy.
@@rogueleader5 absolutely. For me they're one of the last real Rockbands. Watch the Supersonic doc, if you haven't. They're just some real dudes. I think their british idgaf attitude just flew over the heads of many americans who thought they were just pricks.
They probably did in Britain but not really in the US
Besides Wonderwall sadly
@@voodoo194 Not sure why people assume Oasis was not a gigantic deal here in the US...they were rather undisputedly among the 'biggest' things here at that time, with non-stop MTV & radio rotation. It's not like a Robbie Williams type of thing -- who missed his window by about a decade to peddle that schtick in America. Oasis, Blur & Radiohead were all huge around that similar timeframe, but Oasis clearly ruled the roost, unfortunately. And yes I do say 'unfortunately'. None of those bands are in my personal musical wheelhouse, but without a doubt I'd vastly prefer Radiohead or even Blur over that vapid 'adult contemporary' schlock-rock from Oasis.
Then again if I wanted music from across the pond that was ACTUALLY important to me, that of course would be (and should be): This Heat, Joy Division, My Bloody Valentine, The Wedding Present, Mogwai, etc.
This is one of the only times I’ve ever heard anyone discuss Live. So huge when I was in college, and then nothing.
Secret samadhi killed their career, just insufferable to listen to during drivetime in the car.
@@cdubranslam The Album after that was good as well and even easily digestable. It went downhill with the one after that, named "V" in my opinion
Live and Bush had a pretty big tour a few years ago
@@cdubranslam Secret Samdhi was pretty good, I like a lot of songs on it. I just think as they went on they didn't have enough variety to their sound and everything started to sound the same.
One of my favorites, I saw Live on the Throwing Copper tour and again just a couple years ago. Yes, Throwing Copper was a huge album. Secret Samadhi, less favorable overall, but has some great songs, including one of my favorite Live tunes, Turn My Head. The Distance To Here is an excellent album and shows continued growth in their songs writing. V has some excellent songs as well.
Great video. Man, that took me down memory lane!
Right? No kidding
It wasn't a subgenre that killed "grunge". It was the record industry, itself. They didn't know when to quit. They signed everybody with facial hair and a sad song. They went for quantity over quality.
the same thing that killed nu-metal after that :D
@@nielsB_FPV Yep. It's the same old cycle.
Something gets popular, the industry jumps on it, starts repackaging it in more and more commercially friendly ways till there's nothing left of it but an empty shell and an image, plug it to death till everyone's sick of it and wait for the next big thing.
@@iamcode.4 also nu-metal was frigging exciting at first, like nothing else before it!
Yeah, watch Billy Corgan on Joe Rogan. He talks a lot about what went down in the 90s with the Industry.
Yup! Same with 80s rock. Grunge didn't kill "hair metal". "Hair metal" killed 80s metal. When labels started signing everyone with big hair and spandex who sang about banging Chicks backstage, the genre got watered down. It ruined itself. The market was saturated and people got tired. In every genre, the bands who carry on are the ones who were genuine to the genre. The band's from the 80s who were authentic can still do shows and make a living, because they weren't fabricated. Same with bands from the grunge era, and why Counting Crows can still play big stages. Every era has their OGs and their posers. And the labels were great at always watering down the good liquor just to make profit. 😤
As someone who works in IT I just wanted to say: The Y2K bug was a SERIOUS issue. The only reason "nothing happened" was because there were millions of dollars and thousands of work hours put into upgrading systems so that nothing would happen. It's entirely a myth that the bug was blown out of proportion. The risks were very real and very dangerous and it was a world wide concerted effort that kept things functional going into the new millennium. This is a perfect case of "If you do your job well, people won't know you've done anything at all."
Basically it's what happens when experts are given the time and money to solve a problem.
It was probably the last global expert endeavor pre-COVID.
It’s also a good example of a global problem being solved by actually WORKING on the problem and not just pointing fingers and shrugging shoulders 🤷♂️. I feel like if Y2K were happening this year we’d all be screwed.
„There is no glory in prevention!“
But why couldn't things still function? Just because the year changed from 1999 to 2000??
@@AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken84 in the simplest possible terms, due to the way dates were represented and processed in code, the year wasn’t changing from 1999 to 2000, it was changing from 99 to 0.
Things got REAL corporate. Especially those Eddie Vedder clones.
Bothered me beyond belief ... for 5 years every time i am near a radio some guy is going YEE aa ah . then there were the bar bands with singers doing this on every song , ruining so much innocent music .those chain wallet grease balls all bought the creed album the same day it came out . they all have bad
tribal tattoos as well .
@@peteytwofinger as someone es who got a shitty tribal tattoo in 1999 I feel personally attacked.
Lol
I call it the underbite sound.
Woodstock 99 validates your statement...
Hot potato mouth
Cake is still so f'ing good. A singular band. Nobody was like them or has been since.
Right there with you man.
Right! They've always been as fresh and unique and clever and great, and despite having numerous mainstream modest hits over years and years... It's surprising they don't have a bigger more vocal fanbase than they do. I fear the novelty/quirkiness factor overshadows the formidable songwriting and serious musicianship. The fact I've not once seen Gabe Nelson listed among the elite influential bass players is all the proof I need to confirm that this world is indeed cruel, random, and capricious and that justice doesn't exist, nothing is fair, and pretty much everything is pointless and stupid and also sucks. Which is a bummer. On the bright side, there are six full-length Cake albums chock full of the sickest, nastiest, groovenest, funky funky bass parts you could ever want.
Cake and Flaming Lips
Cake was very underrated
Yet they continue to be be political shills for the party that phased them out.
Important element: Napster and the internet. The rise of mp3s was a direct backlash to that corporate control of what people were hearing. Post-communications act, what people heard felt extremely controlled. A lot of the bands you listed were mid to late 90s bands, the waves of music after grunge that was largely middle of the road quality. Labels were making one hit bands and selling a ton of singles, while also tricking the public into the album sales. Not a great amount of quality albums in that period, but plenty of one hit wonders. Those bands may have had more than one single chart, but nobody can remember what those songs were. They were carefully released onto radio and then normally tied into movies or commercials. It was painfully obvious how controlled everything was.
Just some examples, from working record stores at the time: Sugar Ray's first hit was a Sublime vibe song. The rest of the album was entirely Nu Metal. People kept returning the album. Sugar Ray changed their whole sound only to have the plug pulled on them when radio stations went all Nu Metal. Jewel has a great album, but it was not high production. They redproduced her album and put the new productions into films. She charted high largely after her release. They had to rerelease her album with the new production because the consumers wanted the movie versions. Basically making one album sell twice per consumer.
And then mp3s get loose on the internet and you could find music for yourself. Changed a great many things.
sugar ray did nu metal???
The Sugar Ray albums "Lemonade and Brownies" and "Floored" sound basically nothing like their albums that came after. "Floored" is a great album and I highly recommend checking it out.
Mark McGrath straight up admits the band sold out hard. They got such big radio airplay from "Fly" which wasn't originally even going to be on the "Floored" album and ended up being such a huge hit for them they changed their sound to match it.
Think what element the successful bands present. Elements are long lasting and so are they
Sugar Ray's last famous commercial song When It's Over is very appropriate for this topic.
@Kit Duguay I've long wondered if one day I would ever come across another person in the world who is also aware of Road Rash 64 and the bonkers soundtrack. Finally, I now know, there are indeed others like myself and I walk this path perhaps not as alone as I once believed.
"They wish they were Korn, "I" wish they were Korn." That's hilarious. Consolidation and centralization kills everything. Back in the day a radio DJ could make a band successful. Just keep playing their records. But the 2000s was all about every station playing the same songs.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd Hahahaha, classic little ditty. Thanks for bringing it to memory.
"Consolidation and centralization kills everything. "
Bingo. True in music, true in business, true in everything, especially politics. The bigger and more DC centric this nation becomes, the less free we are. Fat cats love to consolidate power and rule by fiat, whatever the industry, program or institution.
I have to give credit for Radio 104.5 in Philly for making Of Monsters and Men big in America by playing "Little Talks" non-stop. Yes it's a bit of an overplayed cliché now but at the time it was a quirky and endearing little indie tune that people looked forward to hearing.
Or a record label guy with a band's record and an 8-ball for the Program Director...
Back in the early 90s, I took a communications course taught by Donna Halper (She's been involved with radio for eons and had a large hand in breaking Rush to US radio.) The stories she told about what went on in the 60s and 70s in radio were pretty interesting.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd So unbelievably perfect. The really sad thing is I can name every song that it is parodying and not ironically either...
I remember when the telecommunications act passed. It effectively killed radio with personality and character, and dispensed with whatever airs and aspirations to artistic and aesthetic credibility radio had left. Streaming finished the job. I worked at a rock station and an "alternative" rock station from 1996-2000. Got out just in time...
Sadly the playlist today is so narrow its sad. The DJ's cannot simply play what they want anymore. It's the same old 90's hit tunes with an occasional new band. It killed not only rock radio but college radio too. College stations used to be THE place to hear alternative bands. A few years ago one of our local DJ's was fired for sneaking in a Motor Head song.
Yeah the telecommunications act passed and a lot of the classic rockers at the time in my area suddenly started playing around the dial by The kinks.
Now it's a voice that degrades the radio station and an MP3 CD's worth of music maybe too if you're lucky and a bunch of DJs that sound like they could be literally anywhere else on the planet having a better time there are certain exceptions but not many.
Yep by the mid 90's radio stations were going broke.
Luke The alternative station I worked out was independently owned, one of the first and most respected alternative stations in the country. We were one of the last hold outs as far as letting the DJs have a semblance of personality and having a say in their own programming. Eventually, like so many, we were bought out (in 2000!) by a bigger entity, and the homogenization and bastardization of the station began in earnest. Now the frequency is a country station, I think...
Blur "disappeared" mostly because Gorillaz took off in 2000, at least that's what I believe.
Agreed, they had 10+ years of success by then and they wanted to try something different. The Verve were an unstable band who had split up before Urban Hymns got recorded, then split up again before 2000.
Yup, and they kept reinventing and morphing, so their sound never got stale and repetitive.
They got blurred 😂
There was also internal tension : their guitarist Graham Coxon was struggling with alcoholism and quit the band while they were recording Think Tank (which came out in 2003). They toured for that album and entered a hiatus until 2009 (when Coxon rejoined the band). And as you wrote, Gorillaz took off at the same time, and it became pretty clear Damon Albarn's focus shifted towards his "other" band for most of that decade.
In that way The Verve because Richard Ashcroft’s solo career. I don’t think this curse works with british or european bands. There’s a music world beyond america’s stage.
A big factor in Third Eye Blind's demise was when Kevin Cadogan was pushed out of the band following the recording of 'Blue'. His guitar parts made a MASSIVE difference for that band.
I agree 100%! Cadogan‘s guitar riffs were the secret sauce of Third Eye Blind’s sound. Awesome first album! Then greed and one huge ego blew it all up.
100% Kevin Cadogan is an underrated 90s rock guitarist
Yes! You completely nailed it.
I agree but I LOVE Out of the Vein in a different way. Blue is a masterpiece but Out of the Vein is great too.
This is 100% part of the reason. They still had some radio presence with OOTV, but once Arion left they were completely done for.
Also, I wish so bad that Rick would do a video on Kevin Cadogan.
Worth noting the relationship between Blur and Gorillaz here.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
I remember when the Clint Eastwood single came out and everyone was raving about the band and how mysterious they were; "Ooh, no one knows who's in the band!" and I was sitting there at 16 as a kid that had lived in front of Mtv since the mid-90's going "There's no way that's not Damon from Blur." I'm not a huge fan of Gorillaz past their first album but that is a great record.
Yeah he’s really ignoring that bands are like countries: the names and borders and makeup of the citizenry changes over time. The members of blur are massively popular now more than ever.
Nah Think Tank was brilliant. And massive. Maybe outside of US. Yeah I guess that's why.
I enter in the comment section to write the same. Think tank was big at least in europe
Oasis were ignored by rock radio too because they didn't fit in with that new aggressive format. Meanwhile, they were huge in England. "Wonderwall" was all I ever heard from them until 2002, when a friend of mine introduced me to the album "What's the Story(Morning Glory)". I later discovered their first album "Definitely Maybe". Both of these albums are masterpieces that were completely ignored by the radio stations I listened to in the 90s.
Definitely not ignored in NYC.
@@sivaones Cool. In the midwest it was.
Agreed that definitely maybe was ignored stateside. But in 🇬🇧....well, it was like the Beatles.
@@michael_dv9225 I always heard them mentioned in that vein (the next Beatles), but all I ever heard was Wonderwall.
OK now, u lot made me curious.
Were(/are) americans somehow unable to look for music that's not played on radio or s music channel on TV? Usually when I hear "good rap" of something I'll look for it and find out myself and don't expect people bringing it to my front door(or my favourite tv/ radio channel).
Of course, today it is much easier to discover stuff, now that there's spotify and youtube etc.. but seriously it's not like in 90's bands generally released just one song either, and then u couldn't get to hear their albums and other stuff as well if you wanted. Or was it ?
I'm happily stuck in the 90s 🥰 I still make mixed CDs (lol) and every day on my commute to uni, I listen to my 90s playlists: Soundgarden, AIC, RATM, STP, Faith No More, Greenday, Offspring, Filter.
Best era of music, hands down! 🎵
You forgot a big one: The Smashing Pumpkins! Pretty much the biggest band in the world in the mid 90s.. Sure they kept going after 2000 but never really hit those heights again
Rick forgets a lot of bands and musicians in his videos and so far has never responded to my comments regarding this issue . Maybe he’s too busy for input ? Johnny G
@@crisrose521 well....he just mentions a few names as examples, he cannot list all the bands and artists.
Good example.
Outside the grunge scene/bands they were really one of the biggest alternative acts of the 90's
Couldn’t agree more, at the time Billy reminded me at of Uncle Fester
The only reason I don’t think this is a great example is because Billy Corgan remained somewhat relevant with a couple other projects, and even had some moderate hits with Zwan. Nothing Pumpkins level but he still had some radio hits in the early-mid 2000s.
2:40 wow you mentioned DOTN, Travis Meeks is my favorite songwriter, guitar player and vocalist of all time it's really a shame he hasn't really been in good health the past few years... It's depressing but I still enjoy and love that guys music.
And also most of the other bands you mentioned are just incredible, I really wish more bands like them were out there still making music.
was watching a Days video & at the comments, a friend of Travis (supposedly) last saw him in prison. from memory, it was the shaved-head guy in the Touch Peel & Stand video. i can't find the comment anymore -- perhaps it got deleted.
he's apparently doing better now, still playing music, but not recording. i hope it's true & i hope he's well.
I know right? It's really a shame DOTN is not mentioned enough when talking about grunge, I absolutely love them.
I would definitely consider DOTN a post-grunge band. They just don't have the same flavor as the base grunge bands. Don't take this as me hating on them. I saw them live before they broke up and was glad to hear the rest of the band continue.
@@markbrown2450 100% correct, they would've been post grunge. Their debut was the same year as Creed's, also post grunge.
"good health" AKA drug addiction/criminal behaviour...
2:22 Blur was FAR more successful in their home country than they ever were here in the US. Damon Albarn formed the Gorillaz in 2001 and has had HUGE success with them for the 20 years since. I would say they don't necessarily fit in that category.
Also, 311's biggest hits were after the year 2000, though I would agree their best stuff was before 2000.
311’s biggest hits were before 2000. Amber was the only huge hit post 2000. All mixed up, beautiful disaster, and down are all pre 2000
Right? Blur was way more modern Jam-esque than the hard, alternative rock hit for which they were known in the States. Too bad. I’ll still take Oasis, in the big picture, but Blur was freaking awesome.
Yes I agree with your comments on Blur. They do not fit on the list at all.
Funny enough when I moved back to Mexico in 2004, I found out about blur, cake, oasis etc. Apparently the US was trying to build a bubble when it came to artists from the US vs UK. Those bands were never in the rock stations where I lived.
Conversely most of these "y2k curse" bands never did anything in the UK in the first place. Which is an interesting observation. This video really brings home how different the UK was back then. Was there ever a time when rock music in the US and UK was as far apart as the 90s?
The 90’s were the most musically diverse decade in history and that made it great. There hasn’t been much musical innovation since then.
I agree with you, the decade took the best elements of the past decades and mixed great new soup out of it.
Lots of "normal" talented people writing and performing their music alongside the popstars and manufactured artists. There were some really big and interesting music festivals and actual variety of musical styles in most of 'em. Classic studio techniques were at their prime, before computers (first slowly, later much more rapidly) took over. And people still bought their music in physical format which then become their property, which lead artists to get paid from the sales, and people went to the gigs to actually experience the gig and the music and not their cellphones.
Wish I existed in that world, but I did not.
The radio and media just took rock and metal away from the outlets that creates your opinions. Hundreds of slept on bands
@@facelessandnameless every movie genre had good movies then around 06 is when everything fell off
@@dankweed5049 honestly I think mostly everything has been in massive decline since ~06/07ish. Movies, music, culture, everything really.
I think the 70s might have the 90s beat for diversity.
Surprised you didn't mention the affects of Napster and how that completely changed the game in the music industry. You had unsigned bands such as Dispatch with a huge following just from file sharing.
I think you are completely discounting how the Napster/file sharing era shaped what was considered a success in this period. In many cases these bands stopped selling albums because their listeners a few years older now maybe had some disposable income to have their own computers and were taking their new albums for free via file sharing... thus the sales fell off. Doesn’t necessarily mean the people abandoned listening to them... and what happens, companies see less sales from those 90s bands, and thus marketing for bands big in previous years is lessened or abandoned because they aren’t selling. Plus these bands that “survived” your curse many did so by being creative, in lots of different ways. Pearl Jam toured massively and made all those shows available for purchase... essentially making massive legal bootleg catalogs. Radiohead went multimedia with websites, animation, video “blips” and interactive things to draw upon obsessive fandom. Then later Radiohead even went down the you name your price ans download the album directly from them method. Beck kept going and being completely original by essentially shifting genres every release. Plus the ones that survived were really the Biggest ones. Nirvana ended but Grohl got Foo Fighters going at the right time to blow up right before the Napster thing happened. Other bands that kept going with bigger successes, RHCP, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Soundgarden(Chris Cornell), and to some extent Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, Green Day...these were really the biggest bands. They all had their bumps, solo career spots, down periods, etc, but they were big enough to weather that storm and adapt. Plus a last thought. A lot of bands went away, because as we got into the later 90s and early 2000s... a lot of these people died. Drugs, suicides, etc... we’ve lost soooo many of the best musicians and icons of the 90s rock music scene now, it’s so sad. And even the ones that didn’t pass away, drug use affected so many. Crazy who we lost from that era...Scott Weiland, Chris Cornell, Lane Staley and Mike Starr, Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Jeff Buckley, Delores O’Riordan, MCA, etc.
Yep and Napster was happening before Y2K in the late 90's it was beginning to gear up more and more. Huge impact on the industry. And lets face it, it was almost like cosmic payback to an industry that fucked everyone from the artist to the fans.
Yeah my band was one of the first to get an MP3 deal sanctions by MCPS..It killed music..Music its getting homogenous again...another revolution will happen just a matter o time
I used Napster to find music that was no longer in print, only, but I am a musician so I understood the value of support by fans. Thankfully I gave it up when they re-released most of the music I wanted to buy. Like Exodus Fabulous Disaster, 80's Coroner or Cynic albums.
exactly.
I think the last true "popular" rock movement that happened was in the early 2000s, with bands like the White Stripes, the Killers, the Strokes, Franz Ferdinand...groove driven retro rock. After that, rock officially died as a "popular" music genre, there hasn't been a pop rock movement since.
The black keys?
Not to forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, spiritualized, pulp/Jarvis projects, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade
You’re 100 percent right. The hives still exist, tame impala kinda rocked a little but now it seems focus is on shoegaze pop or droney stuff
I mostly agree, but I'd say that the emo/screamo movement in the 04-07 range is probably the very last hurrah of rock music (if you consider it a subset of rock, which I do... Loosely.) Now you have bands like imagine dragons claiming to be rock when it's all electronic sounds and no real lyrical substance.
@@dustinjones1907 the thing is though, that good rock is out there. The programmers just refuse to play it and all play this non-rock baloney they're trying to pass on to alt rock channels. It's maddening. But I agree that there was lots of good rock still happening on radio for much longer than Rick is suggesting here.
Muse were pretty big and pretty rocking for the whole 00s
311 never stopped. They've been churning out great albums all along. Sure, they aren't mainstream anymore, but you could probably count on one hand the bands from that era that still are...
Soundsytem is one of my goats.
Agreed. 8 stopped listening to 311 for about 10 years. Started listening again, I missed some good albums
The Alternative Rock radios are always playing their new material.
Third Eye Blind still one of my favorites that I listen to all their stuff up now I believe they're bass player not the original bass player.. but the bass players in the band on the past few records has recently passed..if this is the case my condolences anyways I just wanted to say props to Third Eye Blind
Third Eye Blind are one of my ultimate favourite bands 💗💗💗
I know this is late, but 3rd eye blind are one of my favorite bands till this day!
great video Rick! I loved the late 90's of rock that seemed to disappear overnight with the new millenium
After he mentioned 311 being a band that didn’t do much after the 2000’s, I stopped listening, 311 DAY STARTED THE YEAR 2000. In 2020, they were supposed to go on a 50 state tour for being a band for 30 years. I went to 2 of their concerts and the last time they had a normal concert ( Covid-19)was 3/11/20 in Las Vegas and then in November 2020 they did a drive in concert. And in 2019, they had a movie in selected theaters. They also have comic books, their own cruise and a faithful fan base. 311 FOREVER .... Nick Hexum is still sexy
Its comming back with machine gun Kelly, jinjer, Slipknot, Lil huddy... And a lot more
@@heatheraucoin5832 Well clearly you missed his whole point.
If we could settle in enough and appreciate what we have we'd be straight. We'd have more songs like 'Closing Time'.There's too much in our society that makes us hyped to something small and sleak and synthetic. Makes us precious, man
@@heatheraucoin5832 Rick spoke too soon on 311. Thing is, Smashing Pumpkins were huge throughout the 90s. Had no real reason to cash in on Dec. 2000. These big bands had the power to have defined the next decade.
Deftones- did not disappear !! Don’t forget.
Kinda wish they would
If anything Deftones push back against the Nu-Metal title, especially since they accidentally created the genre itself lol.
But yeah Deftones still good, if anything they got better.
Yeah i kept thinking Deftones the whole time watching this video.
As far as I know, they're the only one that really transcended the genre. They sort of escaped. All the others died out or just kept doing the same thing (Korn)
Deftones survived because their music didn't make you want to turn your ball-cap backwards while you chugged a Monster energy drink with your "bros".
I find it kind of odd that you never mention post punk revival bands, in this video or your other videos. The strokes, killers, Interpol, arctic monkeys, franz ferdinand. All massive bands with huge followings and incredible records.
Is this it completely changed the landscape of Rock (for the better) after it released
He rarely speaks about post punk bands as well
Yes and what about The White Stripes, The Hives, The Vines and Jet? All huge in the 2000's! Great Alternative Music was still around, but in came a New Generation 👍🎤🎸✨
I personally dislike those bands a LOT, I'm guessing Rick does too lol
@@tricko8000 Yes he does, I saw a video he did of The White Stripes 'What makes this song great' 🎤🎸🎶✨
Rick seems to have a massive blind spot for Indie Rock and Post-Punk Revival/Garage Rock. If you ask me, these are the albums that killed 90’s Alternative: 1) The Strokes “Is This It” 2) The White Stripes “White Blood Cells” 3) Interpol “Turn On The Bright Lights” 4) The Killers “Hot Fuss” 5) Spoon “Girls Can Tell” 6) Death Cab For Cutie “Transalanticism” 7) The Shins “Oh, Inverted World” 8) Yeah Yeah Yeahs “Fever To Tell” and there were suddenly dozens of other bands that solidified the scene more toward ‘04 and ‘05. (Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, Arcade Fire, The National, Vampire Weekend)
Alternative radio got even further splintered by the emo bands that got big in the early 2000s as well as Lo-Fi Punk and Punk Pop. The rise of music blogging made everything exponentially more niche, whereas guitar driven music in the 80’s and 90’s was almost exclusively hair bands and grunge. Broadband Internet became available to way more people and people were eager to explore different sounds.
Yeah he does. This video has an interesting hypothesis but it’s not really what happened.
Basically the bands you mentioned above are just all around better than what clear channel radio was shilling. I mean were people actually sad to see Bush or Sugar Ray fade into obscurity?
yeah i thought that as well in his "what killed rock?" video, he completely misses the post-punk revival movement which just severely undercut his thesis. how can you talk about the evolution of rock music and not mention the strokes? sort of feels like all his thoughts on the subject are a result of him having stopped listening to contemporary rock right around the turn of the century.
Rick was simply all over the place with his timeline and analysis. He skipped several bands. Also forgot some of the bands that started in the late 90s and pretty much led the charts thru the early/ mid 2000s.....these bands particularly appealed to the younger crowd. It simply shows how dated his mindset is on what he considers rock music.
Sorry, I couldn’t pay attention to the message because you weren’t wearing a black T-shirt. LOL
I was thinking the same thing. 😄
But he does have on a black t-shirt...
@@Fektthis I had to go back to check. I was distracted by all the other "bright" colours! LOL
lmaoooo
The shirt and pants are disturbingly well-matched.
The "post grunge" mid90s of the listed bands in the vid were a more accessible, sunnier side of alternative rock, with the ska pop punk of No Doubt skating into things too. I guess they were marketed as more radio friendly, video appealing than Seattle's first half of the decade dominance. They had a shinier, happier image and a more marketable sound that filled the post Nirvana void, and the younger crowd lapped it up. It carves an interesting bridge in the mid90s, that then leads to Korn and nuMetal in general. This mid90s scene devides the decade in half in a way. You get Seattle, and Big Stadium rock of GnR, and in hip hop:Gangsta Rap, Boyz 2 Men RNB. Then, after the "mid90s Bridge", its still the angst that grunge got going, only boiled and burrowed further down with NuMetal's downtuned chug. Throw in more parental targeted angst in there, too. Goth and shock rock was industrialized with Marlyn Manson antics. Pop meanwhile, was the resurgence of boy bands and Britney. The excess of 80s indulgences was back in a way all the same, through the frat boy humour of Limp Bizkit and nuMetal's leanings back to rock an' roll lifestyles. This is a brilliant discussion, worthy of many more time to listen to RIck's excellent analysis. The 90s were a fascinating decade in its "Two Halves" like that.
all history is made of what I'd call "expansion-contraction" cycles... or at least on thing then its opposite. Happy fast music vs. slower and depressing and so on. Music can't escape this kind of cycling.
Every new generation has to take a position that feels opposite to the previous generation... kind of a way to get a cultural identity I guess
311 needs to be on the second list. They’re still going strong and are always in the top ten charts when releasing albums. Maybe not big label big but definitely independent success for sure.
@@KickflipGnasty 311's cover of Lovesong in 2004 is arguably their biggest hit.
Used to be one of my favorite bands. I couldn't tell you one thing they've done since the early 2000s though.
@@KickflipGnasty 311 had a solid fanbase right up until the pandemic. My ex was into them, and I went to a show of theirs about a decade ago. The place was full (about 16k in a venue with 20k capacity) and everyone around me was singing along with every song. I don't care for them, but I see they have maintained a solid touring schedule year after year. If this video is about a list of bands that disappeared, then 311 doesn't belong in it. They might not be on the radio anymore, but who tf listens to the radio anyway? 311 is not my thing, but there are a lot of people who seem to love them. I respect their whole trip, and their focus on live shows. it's more like the Dead or Phish than it is like a typical album/tour rock band.
@@KickflipGnasty focus: the topic of this video is 90s bands that disappeared in the aughts. 311 is not one of those bands. They still fill venues and they still sell records. The same can't be said for the bands Beato discusses in this video
@@KickflipGnasty It's not semantics, and you're missing the point. The topic is "the death of 90's Alternative Bands like Live, Cake, Tonic, etc." Those are bands that basically don't exist anymore. 311 doesn't belong on that list. Period.
I don't understand any of this. Yet I am terribly fascinated.
I think it boils down to Nu metal having such energy that other bands got little attention during that time. And music became even more industrialized
Well sonny.. we lived through it. Someday soon, you too will experience further consolidation of media, when Amazon buys the remaining six or puts them out of business. On that day.. five years from now.. you'll know what Rick is talking about.
i really liked that Days of the New album... Touch Peel & Stand, Shelf in the Room, Downtown... great 90's acoustic songs
I went through all their tracks yesterday. So good........
Travis Meeks was a really good songwriter. In his case, he self-destructed because of drugs.
I also love the first Tantric album, the other guys w/out Travis I think.
I didn't find anything on the album even half as good as TP&S
It makes me think of the story of how the Swedish band Roxette broke into USA. The band was a succes in Sweden, but the record company didn't have faith in the for a big promotion in USA. Then one day an american kid, who had been an exchange student in Sweden, insisted that the local radio played the record he had brought all the way from Sweden. When the radio played it, the lines blew up. Everybody wanted to hear that track again and so Roxette's international career was born.
Think about it, one kid and one radio station. This is the sort of thing that doesn't happen today.
Didn't know there were Swedish musicians
Kind of similar to Shaggy 'Say It Wasn't You.' There's a cool video on it. Basically one DJ in Hawaii started playing it and it took off.
Guess you’re familiar with the Rodriguez / Sugarman story? If not, you’ll love it.
I really enjoy Roxette's music. Kind of a guilty pleasure for me. The first few times I heard them, I thought it was Heart, just a similar vibe.
Roxette..lmao
I think bands like The Strokes, The Killers, Arctic Monkeys and all those indie guys were the nail in the coffin for 90s bands as these guys brought back a classic rock and new wave sound.
I was thinking the same. Bands like White Stripes, Strokes, Franz Ferdinand, Libertins, etc. just took over with a much more retro approach
and Yeah Yeah Yeah's
I totally agree
Yeah idk why Rick keeps ignoring this genre, like yeah it's not quite blues inspired, but that's the point. Arctic monkeys are one of the most popular bands rn, they hit 1b views on their most popular song, you might not like them, but their music created a whole tumblr subculture.
those bands had a lot of overlap with the dance punk acts of the time both geographic and musically, bands like the rapture, yeah yeah yeahs and lcd soundsystem were based in New York and played like a renewed version of the dancy acts from the no wave scene like ESG and Rosa Yemen.
The Lyrics in LCD soundsystem's "losing my edge" are a very cool snapshot of the scene where James Murphy was a DJ, he was the one who played Can, the sonics, gil scott heron in Indie parties but then up and coming DJs who were early adopters of the internet had as much knowledge of classic and obscure bands as James despite being so much younger and inexperienced. It seems like knowing your rock and electronic music history became the new commodity in the late 90's-early 2000's
The strokes man!!! Give em a go Rick. Never heard you mention them. I feel like they had a hand in making some 90’s band sound somewhat redundant. Did for me anyway.
I have not managed to listen through the debut album yet. No interest in them.
Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't mention the garage rock scene here. That and pop punk becoming popular had just as much if not more to do with '90s alt rock bands becoming yesterday's news than nu-metal. Sure, a lot of the people who would be listening to thrash or heavy grunge moved on to nu-metal, but the average rock fans and college/high school students went for the more melodic and radio friendly stuff like Blink-182, The Killers, etc...
@@incamera1457 Yeah, "Is This It" does nothing for me either, beyond a couple tracks. I found "Room On Fire" a little better
@@SonofSethoitae Their new album is just the best work they have ever done for me
You forgot Beck!!! He survived Y2K! His style is so eclectic and ever-evolving that you could do a whole episode on the unsung (until lately) musical genius and influencer.
Yes, and also bands like Dinosaur JR, Stephen Malkmus of Pavement, Yo la Tengo, Wilco or Bonnie Prince Billy survived.
Does he still exist? I haven't heard his name in years.
@@sparkeyjones6261 His 13th album, Colors, won Best Alt Music Album and Best Engineered Album at the 2019 Grammys. He also won Album of the Year in 2015 for Morning Phase (Remember when Kayne disapproved because Beyoncé lost again?)
@@SilentServiceCodeI think we can agree that he certainly is one of a kind and underappreciated in the mainstream... and still very prolific.
@@frankfionn, I think Wilco is a good example of a band that produced some good albums in the 90s, but grew with popularity after 2000 (as based on the chart success of the albums). Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is their top selling album, I believe, and my personal favorite is Sky Blue Sky. However, I think perhaps Rick didn’t include some of those bands because they were really never that “big” in the 90s. Wilco’s top selling album would be one of Blur’s lowest selling albums, for example (Blur, ParkLife and Great Escape all selling for 2.5 to 3 million copies). I think ultimately Rick was mentioning bands who were quite popular amongst casual fans and radio listeners, not music connoisseurs or musicians themselves. But I dont speak for Rick. Maybe it was a time thing.
I wouldn't have put 311 on that list. They had multiple albums after 2000, that generated quite a bit of success for the band. One of the biggest hits they've ever had is Love Song. And that was definitely in the early to mid-2000s.
And a huge following including myself and friends. They put on an awesome show, we've seen them every summer since '05.
And love song was a cure cover
I like it better than the cure for that track though, amber is fantastic
Was going to say the same thing, they had a singular sound and not coincidentally a large cult to fall back on. A lot of these other bands just rode the zeitgeist into oblivion.
Plus, From Chaos (2001) is their best record.
Amber was gigantic too in 2001 ... I disagreed with Rick on this one , Creed survived and 311 didn't ummmm!!?
"Third Eye Blind" was one of my favorite 90'd bands. They had the catchiest damn songs.
Theres a commercial on the radio with their song remixed
Semi-Charmed Life is a roller-coaster and monster of a song.
Their third record is GREAT, check it out.
Their debut album was the first CD I bought with my own money... Still one of my favorites to this day
Lmao
Sitting on the back of a warship in the middle of the ocean in a thunderstorm at 3am, alone, listening to “Lightning Crashes” is a core memory for me.
There was a lot of great alternative rock in the mid/late 90s (The Catherine Wheel, Curve, Eels, Hum, Built To Spill, Spiritualized, Superchunk, Supergrass) but, like you said, radio wouldn't play them. Our local alternative station seemed to play that terrible Metallica cover 'Turn The Page' every hour but ignored a lot of great music.
Spiritualized is still around. Not to also forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade or creep for their fan base to exist again
Only bands I remember from your list in the 90s are Eels, Supergrass and Hum. Hum was a one hit wonder. Hipster music.
@@alltherebelsaredead7756 That just shows your ignorance, both with respect to Hum and the others. Hum's Downward Is Heavenward has lots of great tunes (Ms Lazarus and Green To Me for example) as does You'd Prefer An Astronaut. And I'm just a casual fan of theirs.
@@alltherebelsaredead7756 Built To Spill are great and they have inspired a lot of 2000's indie and alternative bands despite being quite in the shadows for the general audience.
Check Hum's newest album. Best musical surprise drop of 2020.
Could you do a video on the mystery of Nickelback? Why does everyone hate them but they’re so successful? Is there anything good about them from your perspective? Why do they have the public perception they have? I’m interesting in how you’d weigh in on this! Also, any options on the music of Fuel? I feel like their first to records were genuinely good. I’m so curious what you’d think.
Jacob Chapman Aka the Barry Manilow effect!
Music critics and writings are usually based out of the coasts, while Nickelback get their fans from Middle America and the south
NIckleback don't sound bad imo, just mediocore. Better than most modern pop.
Well, they claim to be metal, but get big airtime still, with cheesy hits like 'Afternoon' and 'Photograph'. If they would market themselves differently, they wouldn't get so much hate. It distorts the public view on what actually is metal music. It's like Jethro Tull, winning best metal album for 'crest of a knave' (which is a fantastic album, just not metal, more like folk prog rock). In my mind Nickelback is far down the food chain, lower than modern day Bush. Just huge sellouts who rode their winning formula to death and forgot what it's all about.
you might like Punk Rock MBA's video on Butt Rock
311 is no longer commercially "successful", but continues to put out music. They also have one of the largest and most fervent fan bases next to the Dead and Phish, and tour every year
Creatures for a while. Come Original and Down were hits
I literally had it made almost the same comment before I saw yours over 3 million monthly listeners Spotify and apple music combined 10 albums released from 2000 to 2019 and they have a live album that came out this year and with it being alive album there is definitely a crowd there.... I mean come on they sell out 311 day every year
I second this motion 311 should not be on that list. 311 came to Chicago every summer from 2006 to 2017 and played at Northerly Island which holds like 8000 or so people. Then yeah Amber was a huge song commercial for them. They even played it on a radio station called 93 xrt which never played any of their other songs.
They have their own day and cruises!Does Korn do a cruise tour?
@@adammillan8332 actually .. Yea
Over commercialization is what I remember. It happened to hair band, it happened to grunge. I literally quit listening to radio at the end of the 90's
You finally mentioned The Verve, probably my favourite band. What you missed in this analysis including them was that they broke up due to personal problems-namely, their wives not getting along if I remember correctly-rather than popularity issues; they were still popular in the United Kingdom after breaking up and later got a top spot at Glastonbury in 2008 during their brief reunion. That said, you should definitely do a video on one of their singles from _Urban Hymns_ or _A Northern Soul_ to dissect exactly what made them sound so good and unique.
Not wives- just Richard being a primadonna(and I love him and have seen him solo several times).
@@urbanhymns8880 I read an interview with Nick McCabe, and he didn't blame Richard for the breakup at all. In fact, he's open to a reunion.
@@reillywalker195 Richard wrote most of Urban Hymns, & has said it was going to be his solo album, but they ended up bringing the band back in to record parts, & he sounded pretty bitter that he wasn’t getting the proper credit for it in a video that I saw. I love Nick, but those songs are Richard’s, & he has shown he’s much more interested in his solo thing. Saw home with Liam solo and they both blew me away. Nick may be open to it, but that’s ‘cause he’s the scorned one
Just for the sake of conversation, 311 is still alive and doing relatively well by carving out their own niche and by doing it all themselves. kinda like dave matthews band they have a loyal following and 311 releases very listenable albums every few years.
"The music of rebellion makes you want to rage. But It's made by millionaires who are nearly twice your age". -Steve Wilson
It would be cool to hear Rick talk about porcupine tree
And then he went to cover Taylor Swift
@@kaganozdemir4332 Damn. Didn’t believe it until I read it myself.
Deftones they not change , since 90s they are constantly improving our world of music
What I find interesting: almost every band being put as an example for bands that didn‘t make it (except Bush, Alanis Morissette and Blur) weren‘t present on MTV Europe and were mostly unknown here. (I only know most of them because MTV aired the US Top 20 once per week, which I found very intersting and liked to watch.)
Speaking of Germany, you had to order records from bands like Goo Goo Dolls or Mighty Bosstones in shops, they usually weren‘t on display in the shelves.
Whereas bands that, according to your list, stayed successful, were, I wouldn‘t say „big“, but known in Europe.
Green Day and Blink 182 were big. They had several singles being played on heavy rotation in commercial radio, Weezer and Creed at least were One Hit Wonders (With Arms Wide Open, Buddy Holly)
But all of these mentioned examples were bands that Alternative music magazines would do stories about - and if you stayed up long enough, you could even see their videos on MTV‘s Headbangers Ball or Alternative Nation (Tool, Incubus, Korn)
3 Doors Down also had a #1 in our country post-2000 (but then, I think they are a 2000s band anyway)! :D But if a rock song somehow made it in the singles-charts post-2000 in Germany, it was almost always the ballad...(well, okay, HIM's Join Me and that one Nickelback song weren't ballads, but otherwise?).
All the more reason not to have our internet access taken away. Now we're finally able to get to know all those bands that would otherwise have been killed by mainstream media and large music producers. A whole new world went open when I got to know sites like Bandcamp, learned to appreciate so many more styles of music that I never thought I would have before.
Amber was 311's biggest song, 2001. Love Song was pretty big as well, 2004.
I love 311's old stuff, but some of my favorite songs they did came after 2000.
I thought From Chaos was a fairly big and popular album ?
I guess Rick was thinking from the perspective that their commercial peak was in the mid 90s. The self-titled album is their biggest selling album and Down was all over the place on MTV and radio.
Those songs suck. 311 should be called 311 and 311(2) because 2000s 311, 311(2), is different from 90s 311.
@@richardhenry585890's 311 was something special.
i feel like nu-metal was really the last subgenre of rock music that we could have discovered. I haven't heard anything as fresh in rock since then, with the exception of some niche noise rock bands.
@@JG-nx3jg emo started in the mid-late 80s with D.C. emotional hardcore bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace, then in the 90s bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, The Promise Ring, Cap'n Jazz, Texas Is the Reason, and The Get Up Kids pioneered second-wave/midwest emo. most of what people think of as "emo" isn't really what emo was about
Metalcore?
@@damesoumbi Thank you for making this comment so I don't have to
So many subgenres since then, if you consider them falling under "rock music". Listen to "Physical Education" by Animals As Leaders or "Blood Orange" by Berried Alive. Radically different takes on about
@@JG-nx3jg what I’m saying is that is a totally separate thing from the original emo culture
I also love the Throwing Copper album from live. I bought the CD back then and listened to it in the car. 25 years and few cars later, the CD is still in there. I still enjoy listening to it. Great album👍🏻
I Alone is a burner!
Good video but Comfort Eagle was a huge success for Cake and came out in 2001.
I wouldn’t call it huge. It “only” went gold and SSLJ was the only memorable single released. Prolonging the Magic and Fashion Nugget both went platinum so there was a significant decrease in popularity. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying popularity automatically equals quality.
Listened to Fashion Nugget just the other day. Also saw Cake when they came this site of The Pond. Good act with a novel slant. As Jackson Browne once sang: All good things gotta come to an end...
I'm still listening to CAKE 🎂
@@07foxmulder I would argue one of the reasons it didn't go platinum was due to the rise of Napster.
Yeah I don't agree with CAKE being put in this category.
Comfort Eagle (2001)
Pressure Chief (2004)
Showroom of Compassion (2011)
All fantastic albums.
Having said that I don't think of it as a curse, most bands "last" for 5-15 years so a lot of them naturally didn't do much in the 00's, which happened to coincide with a terrible new genre that was nu-metal.
The Cranberries? Don't blame ya for skirting the Smashing Pumpkins. Billy Corgan is one of a kind to say the least.
Not to forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade or creep for their fan base to exist again
@@PortervilleMusicSociety ŕ
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about the Pumpkins. Billy pretty much wanted the band to implode after melon collie. I still listen to the early SP albums frequently today, but I could never connect with anything past adore.
You guys have to listen to Billy on Joe Rogan. He talks exactly about this in great detail. How the industry whored them out, how his own ego enabled it and how it ultimately all lead to him sabotaging the band
I love Zeitgeist. Came out in 2007. Haven't really loved anything else post Adore.
Respect for mentioning telecommunications act of 1996
The ripples of that legislation still move through society to this day.
Damon Albarn of Blur went on to arguably greater success in the 2Ks with Gorillaz.
His solo album is a stunner
@@theconversation9103 gorillaz bas better than his solo album tbh
The growing monopolies of the world have done us no favors..
Right! The "rock" station in my town plays the same songs every day including songs like, 'Hit me with your best shot' and other old stuff that has been played out years ago, and there are two classic rock stations. What a sad joke that is being played on us. There is absolutely no creativity, ingenuity, or real DJ'ing going on in this corporate rock environment.
@@cobyg419 I wrote to my local Classic Rock program manager complaining specifically about "Hit Me With Your Best Shot". I wrote that Pat has 50 other great songs! Surprisingly, the program manager actually wrote back and was very sympathetic to my comments. But he said, even as "program manager" he had ZERO input on what songs were allowed on that radio station. Very frustrating.
@@ericroll well of course not, the choice of music that gets played to brainwash the masses comes from the Illuminati itself. Very high up.
I think ur reverence for the '90s is very well placed. As a HS grad in '93, my music was/is Grunge & Alternative, but for me, the '90s was the greatest decade for music because of the diversity. It's the only period of time, that I can think of, where so many different generas shared the common consciousness.
In the 60's I could turn on the radio and hear the Monkees, The Beatles, Creedence, the Temptations, Jefferson Airplane,
The Staples ,( a good assortment of R&B,) Buck Owens, Glen Campbell, Steppenwolf, The Carpenters...etc etc....you did not find that many genres on the radio during the 90's
I totally agree! I felt so lucky to be a teen in the 90s - We had alternative, r&b, hip hop, club / house music, freestyle, quiet storm, pop - just to name a few!
@@kitano0 I agree completely, and it’s because the 60s saw an openness to true diversity by people willing to buck the establishment. Now, “diversity” is brought to you by (fill in corporation).
@@kitano0 I remember listening to all those artists on the radio back in the 90s (plus a whole lot more)
@@spb7883 Good point regarding diversity. Organic diversity vs. agenda diversity.
Anyone remember when Alternative used to be called “College Rock”? Haha. Always thought that was an apt description at the time.
Yeah, there's an alternative rock channel on SiriusXM called "XMU".
Yes!
College rock is up til 1986 or so.
90's were a golden age. The era of the cubicle movie, things were just to calm so we injected turmoil into our media to shake things up.
There's always people that were not paying attention to world events that believe that a certain time in their life was calm with no problems. I was a kid in the 90s, so yeah it was a pretty carefree time for me. But read some history books sometime man. Seriously.
Everyone who grows up in a particular decade thinks that it was the golden age. Tail-end boomers, like me, think that about the 70's, Gen-xers think that about the 80's. Truth is that every decade had a bunch of great music that came out of it. Also, every decade had it's turmoil but the younger you were during that particular time, the less you were aware of or cared about it.
the 1990's was the greatest decade in Western civilization, due to a particular combination of things that'll never happen again - the calm was true... alternative bands, like the Pixies for example, who also had slow songs, often injected a kind of adrenaline, joie de vivre, agitation mixed with crafted Beatles pop to instill a sense of excitement because real life was so slow, boring, safe, kinda lame and we were desperate every day to find an enjoyable way to get through the plodding, slow-ticking, second hand of the almighty clock - kids will never know what it was like with the modern 24/7 internet
@@graze105 this more then anything.
You know its true because now your starting to see this to the 00s.
Now granted 00s were excellent for video games... but homeland security never existed before 01-03 and times were high tension then, there's always high tension times
Y2K was a big "nothing" only because a ton of people did a ton of work to prepare for it. I'm thankful for it!
I was one of those people! We worked hard on those computer systems for years leading up to Y2K, ran dress-rehearsals etc. I was in the office on 1st Jan 2000 and after an hour and a half with no planes falling out of the sky we were told we could go home, done deal.
I wanted to say that too! It wasn't some conspiracy theory, cobol programmers had to come out of retirement to update old systems!
Glad to see someone pointing this out!
Same here. I worked for IBM at the time.
Even the movie Office Space which was written in the mid 90s made reference to programming software for the 2000 switch.
What happened to Blur? Gorillaz happened.
Just about to say this myself! Love that band!
You can't really count Blur as succumbing to the Y2K bug. They played a particularly British type of music that is difficult to translate to other cultures and tends to have a short life span anyway. Their frontman, Damon Albarn, reinvented his sound and moved on to form Gorillaz which was very relevant band in the 2000s.
Also, the 90s music scene was pretty intense. Maybe a lot of the members of these bands that were huge in the 90s were just burnt out by all the hype and touring by the end of the decade.
@@tspawn35 agreed. Modern Life sounds worlds apart from the self titled or 13.
Also, Gorillaz became probably bigger that Blur was. I saw Blur at First Ave for both the Great Escape and Blur tours. They played twice as many songs during the Song 2 period in the same length set, with mostly the same set list. Everything sped up and with more distortion.
Depeche Mode lasts 30 years + because, I think of the element of pure romance they're attached to. Elements are long lasting and so are they
Honestly, I think the post 9/11 sentiment in America drove a lot of the popularity of aggressive music. When you look at it, the music trends from 2000 weighed against 2002 are incredibly stark.
Crisis did for metal what the shadow of Cobain's death did for Pop Rock in the mid-90's; it caused sensibility to flee to the "Alternative".
I'm waiting for the crisis of 2020 to bring the masses back to metal again. Probably never happen though, the youth these days are fucking stupid, I'm not talking about a generational observation, they are legitimately fucking stupid. Case and point; the Spotify Top 10 video Rick did in Sept, Cardi B was #1. for fuck sake. That's who this generation has chosen to be their leader? Cardi FUCKING B.
@@REAVER781 Yeah, unlike the last one, who looked up to Fred Durst. Come off it
Rick, what about the influence of indie rock in the 2000's?! I think you're ignoring an important era of music. An era with a lot of variety: alternative rock roots: the Strokes, Interpol, Libertines, White Stripes etc. Radiohead influence: My Morning Jacket, Grizzly Bear etc. Neutral Milk Hotel influenced folk rock: Decemberists, Okkervil River etc and some original/combination of the above: Death Cab for Cutie, Arcade Fire, Deerhunter etc. This indie push (and this is just a small sampling off the top of my head) was huge and very influential for its time. I am curious to know what you think of this genre. Thanks.
Great bands here. It may not be metal, but for me that is a good thing.
If an element is long lasting, what element can u attach to to keep yourself popular?
In this age of Auto Tune, I can't wait for the next "purge."
What’s everyone’s issue with auto tune? If it fits the sound of the music then why not? I can understand people’s frustration when someone is trying to pass off auto tune as their natural singing voice but that’s such a small minority of vocalists, it’s practically forgettable
@@linkolinguino Actually it's a vast majority of vocalists, even though many aren't even aware that the engineers did it. But it's like CGI and wigs, you only notice the bad ones! And honestly, if you can't tell, then what's the issue? The main issue is whether the song is any good.
@@linkolinguino auto tune is just indicative of the music approach as a whole. Over producing in an attempt to perfect and in the process taking all the raw energy and much of the emotion out of the music.
Auto tune is never going to disappear. If you want to make something that will stand the test of time, you have to make it as perfect as possible. Autotune helps with that. Also, you need to sing well anyway. Autotune doesn't fix bad singing. It's not really a genre thing. Autotune and pro tools-like software aren't going away. Tape isn't coming back. Those DAWs make music making accesible to anyone and not just people with loads of money or record deals. Also it's a PITA to record on tape. Editing is a hassle. It sucks. IDK why anyone would want to willingly torture themselves.
@@PeteJake100 I can see what you’re saying, but what about music that can elicit emotion without the use of raw instruments? What about electronic music, where auto tune and pitch shifting are common? Or 808 samples? Not all music that elicits an emotional response is made with raw instruments, there are many electronic genres that can do so strictly digitally (EDM, R&B, hip hop, pop, etc). I think the main reason people rip on autotune isn’t for the sake of criticizing overproduction, but more of an elitist approach at saying “if you make music without using physical instruments, you have no talent and it isn’t really music” or “if you use auto tune you’re a fraud/cheater who can’t sing”
I’d argue that 311 still hung around and had moderate success with their records - they still tour arenas, actually! Rick, you should do a “what makes this song great” on an unexpected 311 track :)
Amplifying this comment.
Yeh I know..311 had some hits after 2000...their cover of the cure's love song, amber, creatures for a while, etc.
I second this! 311 - What makes this song great 😃
Also, yeah. Two biggest 311 hits were Down and Amber. Not sure which one was bigger. I think Beautiful Disaster became big later as it was in Guitar Hero.
Agreed. Still a force, with the same lineup, 30 years in.
Saw them live a couple of years ago and they crushed it.
You're mentioning a lot of great bands from the 90s. Thanks for the memories.
"They wished they were like Korn...I wished they were like Korn."
OMG just died.
*Here I am listening to my fav teacher ever*
Days of the new...wow. Haven't thought about them in a long time. I was in a band that opened for them way back when...
I always wondered what happened to Cake, one of my favourite bands. Now, thanks to Mr Beato, I know why Cake and the other artists mentioned seemed to disappear. The point about the concentration of ownership of labels is spot on , more concentration = less diversity which is kinda not good for creative industries that thrive on a diverse ecosystem of ideas and people.
@@2gobeond remember this too: these 6 corporations own all the major media news outlets. They dictate what you believe in politics and society. They've taken over all information including music.
He is completely wrong, music changes, people change their taste, American is not the world, it didn't happen anywhere else. Cake, Blur still make music 😭😭😭
@@2gobeond Cake is a great band, for sure. The Pursuit of Happiness is another cool band that faded away. I was just thinking about how successful artists would become interested in producing, and mentor/develop up and coming bands. I don't hear too much about that anymore. It seems like dudes like Max Martin produce the bulk of popular music. No wonder, then, that it sounds the same.
I agree with the fate of all of those bands mentioned except 311. They did not disappear of suffer from a curse. They had good albums after 2000. More albums after 2000 than before and sell out concerts to this date and are TREMENDOUS live.
I was supposed to see them and incubus last year but Covid ruined it. 311 has been an all time favorite of mine for years and that was gonna be my first chance to see them live. Still pretty mad about it.
@@HotStrange same :/
Good albums don't matter if the topic is, pretty much, a shift in what is popular, and what is being played on popular platforms like mainstream radio. An established fanbase is an entirely different beast: its a niche.
@@morricane5087 the title of the video implies these acts are ‘dead’. In that, he is wrong about 311 in particular. They make more money now than they ever did in the 90s, because they actually own their music and aren’t slaves to a big label.
@@50-50Project rip 🪦
Dude......your channel is my new favorite TV show. I could probably watch every video. Good stuff sir.
2:24 - Happy you mention Dada. An incredibly underrated Trio of great writers-instrumentalist-singers who unfortunately had too much 'roots' and 'tradition' in their high musicianship and as such were overlooked by the new and 'hip' thing called Gunge, which means they never made it big as I believe they deserved. Dada's 1992 debut 'Puzzle' is a must have record for anyone who enjoys uncompromising good songwriting, well crafted and very well executed. A gem of a record.
@@461909S Did't know that, thanks for the info. I also own they sophomore release 'American Highway Flower' and 'El Subliminoso', both very fine albums. Saw them live several times @ Washington D.C.' 'The Bayou', between 1995 and 1998 but then lost touch w/ the band after I moved out of the area. 7Horse you say? Gonna check it out.
Green Day had a pretty crazy comeback in 2004. I think they really did a good job capitalizing on pop punk being such a big thing at the time. Before then they were still around and releasing singles, but they were still mostly known for Dookie.
Mmm...nah Nimrod was a massive release, and Insomniac is now regarded as a punk rock classic.
I think when they went more commerical in '04 their songwriting became mad inconsistent, but hey people liked it.
Here's an alternative answer: early Gen Xers, born between 65 and 70, who were in their 20s in the 90s became thirty year olds.
Speaking as a Gen Xer within than band, I didn't stop wanting to buy or listen to new music when I hit 30 - it's just that the new bands being promoted became less and less relevant to my tastes. Here in the UK, the increasing desperation of the music press to find the 'next big thing' from about 1997 onwards didn't help matters.
That implies that something magical happens at 30 (?).
I will say that most of the bands Rick mentions had long "enough" careers, it's not as if they were cut short.
The early 90s was a great time for music... U2, REM, The Cure, and many veteran alternative bands were at their peak, and were finally getting their due... while Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, among many many others in various alternative music genres, were emerging, and getting massive attention. But it was a quick turnaround: In comes the Disneyfied Spice Girls and Brittney Spears, and now we've had essentially 20 years of cartoon dance pop disco avatars. I think if you are a Gen X alternative music fan, you likely skipped past many of the bands Rick mentions, and went straight to Wilco, Black Keys, White Stripes, Shins, and now War on Drugs, etc. NONE of those are going to compete "corporately-speaking" with "dance pop disco" so they won't get played, but who cares?
@@runningbeard7380 Yeah, they got married. 29 was the average age Gen X men got married.
Hey Rick, why don't you ever talk about Blind Melon? They were a stand out guitar band with a great singer and very interesting in the way the 2 guitars interweaved their parts together over the progression. I think Soup is one of the most underrated albums of the 90's.
Blind Melon is one of those short lived grunge bands who eventually died due to the grunge frontman curse.
Rick, I would love to hear your take on the Brit Pop/Manchester scene that gained traction in the early early 90's. Stone Roses era. Like what you thought of the music, your favorite bands, who the main producers/production teams were behind it, and what happened to it.
That would be an epic video. Love Madchester era music.
Have always loved that jangly Rickenbacher guitar sound. Stone Roses, Mighty Lemon Drops, Happy Mondays, The Smiths, The Colourfield...
Ride was another good band from that era/area. Brit pop was killed overnight by the releasing of OK Computer IMO.
Yes! So many great UK bands around that time, I would also include some contemporary scenes like shoegaze and trip-hop, which were quite interesting as well
It's funny, the 2000s might be the last time we have a pop culture in common. The internet is so siloed, I'm listening to great NEW music all the time and I know for a fact nobody else on the planet is listening to it.
Yes, music production has become democratized, everyone has a bedroom project now. If it's good, it's good.
"Think of bands like The Verve!"
Rolling Stones have entered the chat..
Rolling Stones have sued the chat
I’ll forever hate the stones for that,. Those walking skeletons will never get my money
@@Crazytechnition U gotta remember theres a lot more hands in the pot it was likley the stones managment or the record companies who really wanted to pursue it.... I cant be sure but I would hope keith or mick wouldnt have sued them out of their own intrests as they have so much money.
@@benmartindale5121 it went on for over 15 years, they were complicit greedy gits
@@Crazytechnition it wasn’t the stones, it was andrew oldham. He’s a prick.
Many of the acts that disappeared did nothing outside of the US.
Those he quotes as survivors typically did well all round the world.
P.S. Blur broke up and spawned Gorillaz
Blur didn't break up, they kept making albums.
@@dalekay9ine they went under the radar like most bands mentioned
It wasn't so much that 'the people' wanted more nu-metal, but the new gatekeepers of radio decided that this was what 'the people' were going to have.
'Let them eat bizkit!'
Urban Hymns is an album I can listen to straight through and it takes me back to my College days. Loved that album
I didn’t think they made it that big over the pond there ?
@@ItsBigJC bitter sweet symphony was pretty big and then it was on the Cruel intentions soundtrack.
Massive album. Was the soundtrack to my senior years of highschool
To be fair to 311, arguably their biggest hit, "Amber", came out in 2001 and they also had a big hit in their cover of "Love Song" in 2004 in the movie Fifty First Dates. "Don't Tread on Me" also came out in 2005.
"Down" and "All Mixed Up" were bigger hits than "Amber"
@@jah9253 a top 5 hit is still pretty commercially huge
@@jah9253 meant to say arguably, but both were big hits. Point is, they didn't fade out in the 90s like some of those other bands and still heavily toured and put out records.
@@jah9253 that’s all relative. A hit is a hit.
"Amber" didn't even receive airplay in the market where I lived. Only "You Wouldn't Believe" from that album had a moderate run.
I like this theory. A lot of bands just fall apart naturally. Alanis Morissette just got rich and stopped making content. I think the money killed her creative edge. The Bare Naked Ladies fell apart due to one member's drug abuse. Success can kill. How some people survive all that and continue to make great content is the real mystery to me.
IRON MAIDEN : HOLD OUR BOEING
This makes me really think back about Edwin McCain. He was huge for about 2 years and then just disappeared. So much talent and amazing song writing skills. I was a kid that grew up on Metal but for some reason Edwin really reverberated with me.
That song Solitude maybe better than any other song before or since captured the pain suffered by so many kids in this society growing up with parents who couldn't be bothered.
The 90s was when "Youth Homes" and "Boot Camps" were heavily marketed to selfish middle class parents. Some sincerely thought the programs could help their children with the "behavioral issues" their emotional neglect helped create but in reality most just wanted their "problems" to disappear. I think McCain's song was a response to that phenomenon.
If you were living in the Southeast at the time you probably heard Edwin McCain earlier and more frequently than the rest of the country. Darius Rucker sang back up in that track and there were bands from that region that they labeled the "No Depression" movement, Hootie being the breakout stars (and by far my least favorite).
I saw Edwin live a couple times and he had at least 3 great albums, but I haven't heard any newer songs that I really enjoyed as much by him. Still a crazy talented singer/songwriter.
Interesting that Incubus survived when Goo Goo Dolls didn't. likewise with Creed vs Live. I had a feeling that Britpop was going to get a mention, aside from Damon moving from Blur to Gorillaz all the associated acts seemed to vanish rather rapidly.
I think S.C.I.E.N.C.E. was probably enough to help Incubus survive :p Make Yourself was not bad either, whereas Goo Goo Dolls had Iris as a hit song but in general were pretty boring musically.
Goo pivoted really quickly into adult contemporary. By 2005-ish they were receiving regular airtime on my local adult contemporary station, and have enjoyed a fair bit of success in that genre since then. Incubus stumbled a little in the mainstream in the early part of the '00s but by 2006 when Light Grenades came out, had managed to latch on to something at least commercially palatable-that record had about twice as many singles as A Crow Left of the Murder... which had come out only a few years earlier. 2001's Morning View just happened to be lightning in a bottle, and honestly I don't think they ever truly found it again.
@@unforg1v3n This! Incubus was essentially a metal band with Science.
I think if you juxtapose those two lists, you'll see a drop in quality in the groups that didn't make it past 2k, for the most part.
MTV had that effect on some bands. Hit with a solid album, then get modeled as heartthrobs, then make soft rock ballads. Like Greenday
311 still around, original lineup since late 80s, still releasing tunes.
Using a verb in a sentence is not harmful to health, you know?
@@youreallygotmenow4855 Maybe its a haiku...
He said active in radio...
@@archstanton9073 Sure.
It's a heck of a haiku lol.
and Morphine. Mark Sandman died in 1999 and that ended 90's music for me.
The Verve and Blur basically split to do different projects...Richard Ashcroft has a successful solo career but Verve did headline the biggest festival in the world Glastonbury in 2008. Blurs Damon Albarn went on playing with Gorillaz but both Blur and Gorillaz went on to also headline Glastonbury. I don’t think they disappeared...they pretty much disbanded as they had already had their hay days.
Exactly, Verve (original name, before a lawsuit forced them to change their name to THE VERVE) were essentially a stargaze psychedelic Brit pop band. After their acclaimed Storm In Heaven was released, they started to have issues from within the band. Richard Ashcroft wanted to be the Biggest Band in the World, where guitarist Nick McCabe had zero desire to be such. Their sound took a proverbial turn down the fork in the road with A Northern Soul. That album displayed a different approach to everything from songwriting to production. Gone was the heavy focus on Ambience and more on clarity. That alone changed Verve, and the tension from within started to tear them apart.
@@muttonmark That wasn't really it. I read an interview with McCabe once and he acknowledged that how their sound changed was a natural progression for them especially given Ashcroft's lyrics. Recall as well that it was Ashcroft who left the band briefly in 1995 and later asked McCabe to rejoin after he reformed the band with Simon Tong as lead guitarist instead. In reality, it was their wives not getting along at the time that pushed the band apart. McCabe is on good terms with Ashcroft now and open to a reunion, but he knows it's unlikely given Ashcroft's falling out with drummer Peter Salisbury.
Another factor was the popularity of groups like N'sync, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, etc.
@Luke Yeah but boy bands were especially heinous. There really was a climate of mutual disgust between the nu-metal edgy bois and the vapid boyband fare. MTV had a pop vs. rock hour where they were pitted against each other. Watch any teenage film from the era and you'll see the dynamic.
@@distortingjack And now, the parallel pop and rock both reaching the charts has changed. Rock has gone further underground, and the new competitor for pop is rap.+
@Luke well put
I think Mr Albarn might be having a quiet chuckle at this as he's doing rather well for himself and Blur did I seem to remember headline Glastonbury in 2009. I don't actually recall however a lot of the bands you recall and it's actually a pity that some survived...
Gorillaz is very much alive due to Albarn colabing with hip hop, indie and other artists. He has probably done more for hip hop culture than some of these new rappers by making songs with De la Soul, Del the Funkee Homosapien, MF Doom, Vince Staples, Pusha T, Mos Def ect.
@@imaXkillXya exactly. He's far more influential than he's credited for. Not to mention how he keeps introducing people to non-Western music, with his African projects and collaborations with Middle Eastern musicians. As an Arab living in Europe, I'm so grateful for the beautiful work he's been doing to fight racism and cultural prejudices by promoting unity and diversity, while still not taking anything away from the original identity of each culture he gets in contact with. Who says you can't be patriotic and cosmopolitan at the same time?
Gorillaz were damon albarn's contribution to the 2000s. I love blur but Gorillaz took centre stage for that era.
And least not forget about Mr Coxon
Britpop was about as short-lived as grunge. It coincided with the rise of pop-punk here in the U.S. A bright spark for a relatively brief time, at least comercially. Blur were never that big in the States, though, and they didn't really have a hit here until they released "Song 2," which honestly wasn't very characteristic of them.
As a 20 year old that prefers all the old stuff, I found it really interesting how 90s bands died out so quickly, compared to other genres that really elft an imprint. I also find it really confusing how a band from the 60s, with a much smaller and specific fanbase (old people) can be more famous than bands from the 90s.
I'm 44 and grew up in the 90s. Outside of bands like Nirvana, I never felt like most of those 90s alternative bands had broad commercial appeal. They were competing with the "Nu Metal," but also the growth of other genres like rap and hip hop that were growing in leaps and bounds. What I remember most about the last 90s music was the popularity of the boy bands. I thought they'd fade out, yet over 20 years later we still see versions of them now and again. I guess because they're profitable and easy to market. It's clearly not about the music quality.
Baby boomers are a large population and they had way less artists to choose from. The Beatles were always front page news. Then additional generations join the fan base. You get fan trickle-down with older bands. Newer rock bands don't have the same snowball of fans. It takes decades and it has to be the kind of music you'd want to share with your kids (Beatles yes, Limp Bizkit not so much)