Testing Brupeg's Stabiliser WIngs (Finally) - Project Brupeg Ep.380
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It’s only taken five years but we are now ready and able to test our wings.
This is one of the last majors pieces for us to solve before we can take Brupeg into the ocean and start heading north.
These wings are designed and built by us and having never made a set of wings before its a huge trial for us to see if they even work!
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Smack in the middle of the bolts holding down the wings, put a tapered smooth alignment stud. Arm comes down and self-aligns, bolts go in easy.
I was just about to type that exact (great) idea.
@@firefighter4443 Much better than my idea. Simple.
Great job. A tip from an old Navy man. As you are pulling up your anchor spray off the chain, it will help keep your chain locker from heavy rusting a little longer.
And reduce the stench!
With the speed of the winch there is plenty of time to do it 😀
I have been waiting four years to see Brupeg fly. It was worth the wait. The short engine room clip was a reminder of all the projects accomplished through the years. Great job and video.
Great job. You might want to attach a tether to your locking pins so they don't 'accidentally' fall overboard.
G'day Damo,
Remember all the knockers and negative comments about the stabilisers when they were first built. Seemed every man and his dog was a cuff rate expert on the subject , they rivaled the notorious winged keel of Australia 2 .
Personally,
i knew the design was sound ,
and would provide ample stability for BREUPEG at sea.
Its been quite a wait, but well worth it to see the end results .
After many years at sea on various vessles,
it was obvious how effective your stabiliser design works.
Congratulations Damo ,
nice job .
Respect....!
Thanks. Honestly we never really doubted they would work well. We assumed there would be minor teething issues as we had never built wings before so of course there would be stuff we didn’t know we didn’t know. But it’s just physics.
For years I've been watching you two slowly recreate this beautiful little ship, to see you now out on the water and running through trials of all the systems you've built in preparation of her first voyages is absolutely amazing. I am so happy for you Damien and Jess and everyone who helped make this dream a solid floating reality.
I think I would have used vetical screw jacks at the sliders to lift the wings up and down. You could power them through a hydraulic receiver motor or electrics via a worm gear gearbox.
Essentially threaded rod through a nut, your problem would be finding threaded rod long enough.
The only other method would be an anchor winch and gypsy hauling on chain at the sliders, I fancy thats better than cable which Im not at all keen on.
Scary doom hole to the void when you open the salon door with the wings down. How about fabricating a bulwark insert that incorporates the wing securing bolts at its base. when you secure the bolts you bolt the inset into place too!! 🙂
Boil your bolts in vinegar. It’s a cheap way to slow the rusting of steel. It blues the steel
If you put a tapered pin or two on the deck with matching holes in the wing strut you could enlarge the bolt holes in the strut making alignment easier. The pins do the alignment and handle any lateral force while the bolts hold the arm down.
Install tapered pins instead of the bolts. When the plate seats down, lock it down with one or two wedge dogs, perhaps rotated in place with a levered handle. Perhaps there might be a better way to describe the thing. Essentially turn a lever or handle to lock the plate down in place. Turn the handle back the other wayto free the plate and raise the stabilizer.
those are awesome, careful with the speed you don't want to go airborne, lol🤣🤣
Yes ask any pilot any fool can make the take off . The landing is the hard bit!
You just answered the question, Brupeg leans out in a turn, so now you can call it a ship, not a boat ;)
I like the idea of two tapered studs to locate the plate, and the bolt holes slightly bigger as they then would only be holding the plate down, not in place. That would make fitting the bolts easier.
Foiling trawlers who knew
nice job on them wings well done
Hello from Ontario Canada- nice to see the wings tested and to know they’ll work! The only issue I can see is the seemingly agonizingly slow deployment… but it might just seem like that on video. :-)
Cheers
I started watching your channel when you were installing those wings. Great to finally see them work. Great job!
What a great job you have done on the BOLT I would get some Denver Greece and Denzel wrapping with him good for wearing through the seas
A recomendation to use a product called Tef-Gel on those bolts into the SS backers. Basically it’s a teflon based paste for use between 2 dissimilar metals. Damn fine stuff.!! Also, more of us Yachties should pay heed to the commercial fisheries, as they are out in real world conditions, and know what works, and what does not. Best of luck to you both.
Use lynch pins like they use in agriculture so that the 2 holes come down into the plate on the bottom into pins then simply put the clip through same way they attract implement to agricultural equipment be heaps quicker and easier to do then to be putting bolts in all the time
Just a thought. But what about having the winches inside and just have the cable come up and out the roof? That way it will be out of the weather. Watching more of the video I had another thought. You have everything onboard I bet to nickel plate those bolts for the wings! (Or a brand new set of the same bolts). It will keep them in a lot better shape for a lot longer and it’s really easy to do.
I was wondering if you could weld a thin sheet of steel on the inboard side of the holes left in the bulwark when the wings are down. This would prevent the spray coming inboard and also stop a body slipping overboard through that gap.
Glad you’re back in the water
I remember those videos. I felt exhausted just watching you guys do all that work…
You never fail to amaze me. I have some problems with rust and salt air affectations.Those cables and motors seem drastically affected with rust. The winch motors need some drastic changes to prevent rust and motor failure. Using a hand drill may take the motor out but in at sea conditions, there may be a lot of flying deck hands to get the job done of lowering or lifting those wings. Maybe elaborating your thought processes to avoid future failures??
We are changing the winches but have had to wait until we can afford it, they work right now but definitely need changing. The wire is rusty but after a thorough check it’s just surface rust with no weakness in the wire anywhere. We decided they are okay for now but we will be changing over to dyneema when we can. Before deployment we do a complete check. Things take time on a project like this and we made a decision early on to not get frustrated and allow things to go at the pace we could afford. Great spotting! Thanks for the support Clyde, we appreciate it! Jess
What about adding a s/s channel on each side inboard of the wing runners, then once they are deployed you can slide a piece of 12-18mm marine ply down into the gap to make it safer.
What a great episode! After a bit of old school Brupeg fabrication, an amuse bouche if you will, the main course of, after oh so long, taking her to sea with the wings deployed and performing exactly as designed was so satisfying. As you did the engine room check I was reminded again of what an amazing journey it's been for you and all of us who believe in and support you. The gleaming Cummins and new
gearbox purring away, Brunet fully functional, etc. And what's still to come, like the get home motor tucked into the corner waiting to take it's place. Well done!
Thanks Wayne, it still blows us away sometimes how much has happened and what we have been able to build and just how many people have made it all possible
@@ProjectBrupeg You and your team deserve all the help that has been passed out to you. Well done.
Good day guys . Like I’ve said before use car windshield washer fluid when mag drilling ( put in a spray bottle ) and no grease mark on the steel . 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
like one would say, no matter where you go you guys can wing it for sure.
So dope awesome work you guys have done amazing !! Top stuff !!!
Thanks Justin
Finally! Awesome! Now I am wondering how these would work on other types of vessels, like a sailboat or a cat.
I think they work best on a non motor boat. But could work really well on a mono sail boat at anchor. Probably would be too draggy when trying to sail
An option to lock your wing is some spring loaded horizontal locking pins and put on a cam for release and a hole in the guides so when the wing is in it down position the pins lock it in place. No hole above so the pin rides the guide. Or does it have to be bolted down vertically? Making the pins a fixture also avoids dropping the bolts overboard
For holding the wings down: why not use studs and a wedge, similar to what you did with the dogs for welding the hull plates to align them. Quick, easy, no threads to worry about, if(when!) you loose a fastener into the sea you can easily make another one. Can be installed and removed with a basic BFH with minimal faffing about.
I remember those wings going on the hull. Seemed like a crazy amount of work at the time (because it was), but damn if it didn't just pay for itself. Looks good! 👍
15:30 heat up some used motor oil (50~60 c). Just enough to dip the bolt. Then, heat up the bolt (just with a torch, not red hot - not enough to mess it up) then dip it in the oil. That should protect it against rust for a long time.
Excellent. Thanks for the tip
Maybe put some adjustable wedges in the very bottom of the wing tracks, or just a few shims behind the wear strips to pack them inboard slightly, a bit of a faff but better than pins sticking out and should not wear as much ?
thanks for that, very interesting, in all my life at sea it is the first time I have got the right idea about how these work.
Dear Mrs. and Mr. Ashdown,
Great to see that these stabilizers are werking well
To get around the need for bolts could you weld two large hooks to the deck out of some 16 mm flat steel and cut two slots in the steel part of the wing that you usually bolt through. With some working out I see the wing plate engaging with the hooks at deck level and holding the wing exactly where it needs to stay. Just an idea.
Your cat is living the life has a good home and great staff
So for the wings. How about larger holes on the wing to receive a thick wall pipe for alignment and still use your bolts with a large washer. Or some alignment pins. Good luck.
You will need to get the speed up a lot more to get it foiling.
😂
Awesome work guys, been waiting for this one for a long time! Congratulations 🎉🎉
Brupeg, gives you wings!
I'm not sure what that means but it sounds good and somehow appropriate........
Seeing how the wings perform has been one of those projects everyone's been asking about.
Fantastic to finally see them coming to fruition and working so well.
Another big step towards your goals of supporting marine conservation.
Project Brupeg is worthy of all our support!
Massive Respect
Good work. I have a thought for the temperature tests with the laser. I reckon you put some high vis, non reflective stickers or paint marks on each component you want to test. This would allow other people to identify what you want tested and would allow for consistent measurements. You could put together a run sheet with each mark and what the safe temperature range should be etc. Just a thought.
Great point!
It's so great to finally see Brupeg moving through the waves makes me homesick. From this old Navy Veteran to yall congratulations the dream of you getting Brupeg finished has finally come true and yall are on the way to take some long cruises. Take care and I'll see you on the next video. 👍
*Shoo We😅!*
Even a blind hog gets an acorn every once in awhile ! The big, wing question, for me, has been answered : How much
parasitic drag will the wings create ? The answer is: neutral too a slight plus ! You did your homework and it shows,
good job Damien !!!!!!!!!!!
Woohoo first one. As a suggestion, I would go with hydraulic motors on your winches. No windings and internals to rust. Hyd. motors are sealed. Because the wings are either in or out there is no need for a larger hyd. system. Your present Hydraulics should work fine. Shutoffs for isiolating the wing system from the rest of the boat and you are golden. I would do the same for the anchor system as well. Isolation to prevent a leak in the anchor system could kill whole boat hydraulics and leave you with no steering.
Great content. Thank you for posting
Wonderful. Great to see the research, the engineering and effort validated.
They are fantastic, plenty days go by when I wish I had wings like that.
You may want to consider some sort of safety rail over the open fairing when the wings are down, open the doors at night and step out into the sea! This will especially apply if you have non sailors onboard!
I agree a sliding door or an insert or a net or something attached to the wing that folds up? Anything would be better than losing tools bolts or people overboard.
Yes completely agreed. It was always our intention to make something that would close this area off. Until now it’s not been needed as the wings were always up but now that we are using them it will be something we ponder and make pretty soon
@ perhaps the way to go, would be a combined locking system and door when the wings are down, that slides into place?
Cut a plate same as the top of your bolt in plate matching hole for bolt down ya wings along with slot for chain eye then weld two round pins pointing down these will replace threaded bolts the chain eye then can be used with a wedge thru it to lock down pins in place second to make poly plastic doors the width of the rail gap used by rollers cut door down middle top to bottom afix a long hinge sort batwing door the will allow you to make a tight seal a simple bar across both side of door to stop spring and openning hgope this makes some sence lol
Project Brupeg Stabilized in so many ways. Great efforts wonderfiul results....thank you, keep em comin.
So awesome that all your hard work paid off so well
You could put guide slots or similar to a guide angle that tapers and lock into a slot that would keep the wing mount from going to far forward as you showed in the video. As the mount comes down it would have like a triangular guide that slides into a slot and hard stop where the holes line up. Great work as always.
It always gives a satisfying feeling to have something you built work the first time. Dean from Arizona
Often wondered if you might upgrade to hydraulic cylinders/rams for wing deployment?
Another method to move the stabalizer bar using electric motor is using a centre square screw bar on centre pivot. The square threat bar you can get from an old lathe bed screw Travel feed stock. The screw bar will also keep the Arm cradle Secure when it's down and you can have the two locking pin when it's extend.
The hole not being centered on the plug would drive me insane!!!
Being a machinist all my life I have perfection ingrained into my nature/brain even if it didnt really matter.
I made a lot of flight hardware for the NASA Shuttle years back and I loved every second of it!!!
The NASA engineers have the same problem I have,perfection even when it's not necessary...
I found that having that attitude helped down the line since you could use the dimensions to check other dimensions that are blind,as in you have no way to check them except off of other dimensions. While that made it a bit slower to make the part it insured that your blind dimensions were correct
I think the pin coming up from the deck is good (little point to align) then a "door striker" setup to help lock them in place? Glad it's working out
Nice seeing all the systems come together.
Could you attach a piece of sheet steel on a hinge just outboard of the stabilizer bolt holes (clearing the bolt head and drive socket)? When the stabilizer is up, the panel lays against the outboard side of the brace. When the stabilizers are down, the panel gets pulled up, pivoting on the hinge and fastens to the rails at railing height, perhaps with a pair of spring pins.
I thought you had cameras for the engine room? Lovely progress. Well done on the wings. Exciting!
Gidday, mates! I'm wondering, would you guys put up a sign, like "A legitimate salvage." Perhaps indoors, nicely carved from wood, and properly oiled/sealed. I'm a huge Sci-Fi aficionado, and i've really enjoyed The Expanse series - those characters insisted that their (space) ship is a legitimate salvage. 😉 I mean "Brups" certainly is a legitimate salvage - idk, i think that might be quite funny. Does Brups even have a proper ship plaque, yet?
More excelllent stuff!
To keep water from washing down the decks, would it be possible to create a tough waterproof fabric "shielding" that could be rolled up and stowed out of the way, attached to the top deck for easy access when the wings are not deployed, and then unfurled as necessary? Perhaps they could be solid material for the height of the gunnel, & the rest a strong tight mesh netting material (like fine race car window netting or etc.) which would allow visually inspect the wing operation & cable fouling...
Just at thought...
All the best,
M-
Have pins going down with a spring and lever to release the pin. The pin like a lock have an angle so it slides to the point it goes in like a lock with a slide to lock it down
What is the difference between a good weld and a bad weld??? The grinder!!😊
Idea: why not mount a magnet or slide clip on the roof above your head to slot or magnetically stick the radio piece to the roof, in stead of it dangling onto the table?
Wing end good point for tension
Two round tables 1 can be staked on the other to make room for sleeping.
Nice progress.
When the wing is in the down position the guard rail needs to recreated in the gap so no one goes overboard.
Electric over hydraulic. Would hold in place and use the electric for energy. No need for bolds, can be put out during moving
How about a clamp with a long lever handle that can be locked off. With triangular locating lugs top and bottom that force it into position.
Bravo! I forget if you tested the wings for leakage... fill them with diesel? Ready for some big open-ocean content!
Hydrolic tip: find a forklift shop. Any forklift mechanic could sort you out with very simple and often good-used or rebuilt parts. Could sort you out easily.
I know this because it's what ivdo all day every day and already have a solution in my head. Parts total probably under 3k. Ypu could install yourself.
Find a guy there, he could sort you out.
I have been waiting for the video to see how the wings are going to work.
how cool was that, love to see a plan come together, as soon as I seen your vid notification I was on it like a ferret on a rabbit, and that's fast, lol
Well done crew, you have put a lot of work in on those stabiliser wings and you have to reckon they are a huge success so well done, it might be a bit of a hassle but really when are you ever likely to encounter unexpected weather as normally you can see what’s ahead of you to prepare. It probably can be tidied up a bit but for now its simple and effective so my choice is to leave it for now and test it out on a trial to really gauge any problems. Awesome vlog, love it when a plan comes together.
17:56 i'm wondering (and i'm not saying this should be the method) if it would be easier to use pins instead of bolts. Akin to hood pins in racing applications. So, two stainless pins coming out to keep them from moving in that plane, and to keep the wings from going up and off the pins, a locking bar that can be put in place under tension. So, one side (of the bar) nested in place to the left (at the time index) and the other side nested under a hook plate welded to the floor. With enough lever arm on that locking bar, you can bend it with just the force of a person standing on top of it with their leg. No threads involved, no chance of rust locking things in place. Think of how the locking bar on PC CPUs works that locks a CPU into the mother board.
I wonder how much fuel she uses with wings down? Great job on the project as a whole.
Man so glad to see Brupeg cruising in thevwater again. I know ill charish my lil piece of the project 4ever. Just regular ppl doing amazing things
They work amazing. Long wait to see. The boat is technically built. Great job and engineering ideas.
Hi what about some container twist locks for stabilisers, pretty sure you could secure to deck then plate would lock straight into it
the stud would work a treat, but not circular, just a thought, on the wings moveable connecting plate cut a oblong hole , a stout size, 2 x 6 inch say, then a stainless oblong block of 2 x 6 x 5 welded to the deeeck, lol sorry could not resist, chamfered edges to slip into said cut hole directing the wing mount to its fixing with no movement, just a thought,
The wings were an ongoing project for a while, I have been looking forward to seeing them used at sea. I wonder how much they affect the fuel burn? But they do look effective. Great video 2x👍
COOL!! Just squeeze out a few more knots and Y’all will be a veritable Flying Fish!
So ima going to see my friend Ronnie that owns a third generation hydraulics shop. New, repairs, pumps, etc. also a monstrously well equipped machine shop. Anyway, the wing slides, kinda stuff, they fabricate. Think big guillotine doors in waste water plants.🤢 I’m thinking multi stage cylinders for the heavy work, and very stout, longitudinally mating locking bars that are both tapered on the mating edges so that they mesh together. Then a leaver locking mechanism to finish off the stowing.
I’m just spit balling, but there’s a lot of knowledge in all of those fabricators and machinists in his shop. I’ll EM y’all what he comes up with. He’ll probably need a set of wing and lift drawings. I’ll be in touch!
Cheers! From Dallas!
Be extremely careful of the cables corroding. The individual stands of the cable are tiny and will deteriorate faster than anything else on the boat. Keep a close eye on them.
Ha i got a dewalt, mine too has varying rpm, I wondered if it's because i used it as a hammer to hammer in rawl plugs as I always forget my hammer after drilling
Tapered pin in the center shipping container style and keep the bolts as they are. Easy mod and will line it up as it falls
Well, that took a while! Well worth waiting for! The wings certainly have a dramatic effect even in that small swell. It will be interesting to see them at work in a heavier swell.
Something that crossed my mind: The spray from the leading edge...would it be reduced with a finer entry into the moving water? A piece of flat bar or tapered edge that just covers the wetted section at the surface intersection might reduce the spray produced by the front of the strut!
They certainly seem to be very efficient without affecting the speed dramatically...although they will probably cost you a small penalty in fuel consumption. That will be compensated by the improvement in comfort! Well done!
Would like to see some chains on that opening when the wings are down being so close to door
RE Your request for comment. Same comment I made when you were building the wings. Make a section of bulwark (either solid or just railings) and attach it to the to the top of the stay arm (where we see you working on the M30 bolts) It will then seal the opening in the bulwark but lift up when the wing is stowed. The stowed wing closes the bulwark opening.
Yip. I very much like this idea. We would need to make a cardboard mock up as the top of the arm when fully retracted would angle that piece almost directly sideways from the boat so could easily get knocked off at wharfs etc
Set the wings up like a door latch when it comes down they latch and unlatch to raise door on a truck
Really good to see brupeg running. Enjoy your adventures
What if you had a cone that rested in a hole? You could put it right below that anchor point in the middle. That would self-align.
Great to see these working! Nice work team!
the wings do an amazing job well done guys
I wonder what would happen if you mounted one of those stabilised or gimballed camera mounts somewhere - you could possibly get some interesting footage of sea state as you get further offshore
I think your idea of using pins to drop the wings on to is a good way to hold them...maybe using a securing pin through them to keep the wing from bouncing off of them.
I picture them as blunted (rounded top) spikes about 75mm tall that have a horizontal hole near the top so it can have the securing pin pushed through.
Can you pull from the plate that bolts or locks to the deck. You could place a plate that goes to the deck with 2 more wheels and have a board like rooler door changing the angle you can have 1 winch in the middle feeding out both sides of the winch.