I wanna see ya do a destiny guardian vs a space marine because a lot of angry 40k fans keep saying a space marine can handle black holes and the temperature of the sun being thrown at them and rip through a hundred guardians and their ghosts without a problem while if you do some lore reading a single guardian could take on an entire chapter of astartes.
The Crusades are more like Terminaters done better. That is assuming it is avg non psychic SM. With the rockt he should be faster than that plus has a massive push power and a quicker snap dash in the offensive or outer range dodge. The crusaders main weakness they not useing guns. In my opinion a SM need power weapons like a power fist or polaxe or sword to smash through without gun otherwise it would be dangerous with the big nife.
Please keep in mind a marine is designed to be something that preys on what would be a apex predator on humans that's the purpose of space marines and there's a lot of predators about in wh40k Oh power armour ain't getting hacked or the mechanicum would of used it as a fail safe against marines the mechanicum make marines power armour Horus heresy would been rather short if the dark mechanicum could also infect marine power armour with scrap code
Let’s not forget the different chapters of space marines. If this were ultramarines, it’s no easy fight since the space marines of ultramar and the other planets under ultramarine control has such a well done economy and ability to tools and equipment of equal quality to each other consistently, all space marines of that chapter would have an advantage. However, other chapters where quality can vary quite a bit, they might find themselves at a disadvantage if they had armor and tools created with poor quality. So it could be said that Reinhardt’s chances are better with chapters of space marines that don’t have the level of consistent quality gear to be good. If one batch of armor is done terribly and could break from well placed blows due to micro fractures and bad tempering, many space marines could be lost even to a normal human greater strengths and size like Reinhardt. Bolters? Quality won’t matter so they can take Reinhardt at range and it won’t matter since the durability is enough that they won’t break in one battle of consistent fire. But given there are also differing series of armor for space marines, are the space marines equipped with up to date armor? There were armor in previous times that have riveted plates of armor put over their normal armor for more protection because it was either not enough armor or maybe the armor itself wasn’t strong enough/durable enough. But as with your conclusion, one Reinhardt overall would get demolished. It’s just a thing to add that it could be better chances against other chapters of inconsistent production quality. Your video was great and it did seem quite logical enough with its conclusion.
Fun fact about 40k, much of technology used by the imperium is is derived from civilian equipment used during the dark age of technology, imperial knights were originally used for agriculture use and Terminator armor, the great suits of power armor ever made by the Imperium is based on common mining equipment.
Even the Baneblade was originally used as an explorer vehicle A fucking Baneblade... A BANEBLADE Literally a decked out, land ship, futuristic german panzer was originally used as a fucking exploration vehicle A BANEBLADE!!!
@@LordCrate-du8zmThat’s kind of a meme, terminator armor wasn’t originally for mining. Most space marine equipment was actually designed for space marines
Reinhardt is a big dude in a power armor, and there are such guys in warhammer as well. A wealthy nobleman or army commander can have one as a bodyguard or don such gear himself.
ogryns are actually WAY stronger physically than marines, pretty much ripping them apart with no effort, and are way bigger and a bit more durable. altough, a space marine is too smart to lose to an ogryn.
Space Marines don’t even get winded just going for a sprint. Space Marines only begin to show signs of exhaustion after multiple days of constant fighting and no rest. Also, .75cal bolters are old school, Great Crusade era stuff, most commonly, the Phobos pattern. Modern bolters, like the Godwyn-Diaz, or MKII Cawl, use .998. So it’s pretty much a 4-Bore rifle that fires a rocket assisted round designed to detonate once embedded in the target. Not even Astartes armor can stand up to bolterfire for long, as even if the shots don’t score any penetrating hits, the detonations blast chunks out of the armor plating, even straight up fracturing the whole plate, and fat lot of good that armor does you when it’s jingling like wind chimes in fragments from the undersuit. Don’t know what a 4-Bore is? Go look up Kentucky Ballistics, he’s been beating the hell out of his shoulder with that thing for a good couple years now I think, all for our entertainment.
Where are you getting this from? All sources say the Godwyn and Cawl pattern bolters use .75 cal. The Phobos is .7 cal and the Tigris is .6 cal. Heavy bolters use a .998. You could've at least done the guy who researched this for his video the courtesy of doing a quick google search before "correcting" him.
No, they were retcon'd to .75 for some inexplicable reason. In the first Space Marine game, as well as my old Codex Space Marines, the bolter is listed as being chambered in .998 and it has always been estimated (at least since i was a spotty yoof) that a Heavy Bolter round would be about the size of a can of coke.
A counterpoint to sombra’s hacking: assuming that any properties that the armor has carries over to the fight, then that means the armor has a machine spirit. If the spirit is loyal to the marine and angry at sombra, it may be able to resist the hacking. Take Rynn’s Might for example, a land raider that continued to fight despite its crew being dead.
@@Steir12Except that the only case of power armor hacking i remember happening was from a DAoT AI, whose abilities would *absolutely* eclipse Sombra’s.
There’s no way Sombra’s hacking would have any affect on the space marines. Firstly even though the imperium is in a state of technological stagnation, their technology is still 39,000 some odd years ahead of the Overwatch timeline. Sombra’s tech would be like trying to hack a supercomputer with a type writer. She would have no reference to the coding language used and no experience dealing with a machine spirit. And most space marine weapons are analog, so even if she were somehow able to disable their auspex, there bolter would still work.
largely depends. a dark age of technology a.i was able to lock space marine armor up and suspend them indefinitely. sombra's hacking isn't based on real-world coding either so language probably wouldn't matter much, it's just magical movie hacking bs
@@deancairn4278 The DAOT era A.I.s were still a league all of their own. The descriptions of the men of iron's uprising leaves little to the imagination of just how devestating the height of human technological achievement really was. You're right, in either case it might as well just be movie/game magic BS, but in-universe, this is stuff where the fabric of reality is shifted by a button press. Plus, machine spirits. More or less if the spirit doesn't like you, it could just as well say "no, f**k off."
Just because the tech is from 39,000 doesn't directly mean it's language is any different from ours, perhaps it is but with the way that 40k constantly back petals and loses technology so they could barely be any farther at all. As for overwatch, they are far more advanced than what we have today and probably on par with most of 40ks shit, sombra however effortlessly overwhelms all of it like it's nothing.
@@deadman9335 Dark Age of Technology humanity was on par with the late game federation from Star Trek. Overwatch tech is still only 30 some odd years ahead of our own. Most of the imperiums tech derives directly from dark age of technology tech, and has supernatural components. In some cases a machine spirit is literally a spirit
@@trollinoakenshield9822 I didn’t know that, and was pretty skeptical of op’s comment before reading yours. Without that armor, even a super genetically suped up gorilla of a man would still probably lose out to a rocket power hammer swung by a (in this specific duel) a similarly sized, rocket powered gorilla of a man. I’m pretty new to the 40k universe in all honesty so I won’t pretend to know what I’m talking about, but (most) bones aren’t built for handling horizontal pressure, Rein’s speciality, even the super future genetically modified ones.
Space marine gene modes includes bone modification. The Ossmodula generates new cells and hormones that alter bone growth and they are given supplements in their food that these new cells can use that results in their bones become a metal-ceremic compound instead of just calcium. So i can imagine rein's hammer shattering on impact if a marine punches up into it.
Its simple, a bolter oneshots every member of the overwatch cast. One simple space marine might struggle against multiple members of the cast, but honestly i think a terminator and anything above (Named space marines) beats the entire cast together.
The physical abilities and traits of a Space Marine in 40k makes them demi gods in most other syfi then add the weapons and armor they use ...well kit's no much of a fight.
and hell even the mighty GHAZGHKULL MAG URUK THRAKA can solo the entire cast on his own without makari didnt i forget that he will solo ALL IN THE SAME TIME
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 Actually Terminators are Slow yes, but not Bulvine. More like the woeld war 2 Tank, Mouse strength equivalent to the 40k universe howevere named Astartes with power armor can literally make a dash.
"and then continuing to run a couple hundred more feet, before even beginning to feel winded." - No. I don't think you comprehend How insanely efficiently their bodies are engineered. There's at least 20,000 years of humanities technological advancement in their genetic strengths. In multiple books, Astartes are fighting hordes of enemies, in full on melee combat (without a break) for DAYS on end. They run as fast as a modern freeway car, and their bodies are so efficient they can sprint, full tilt for HOURS on end. Like even their long distance type of running would cover hundreds of kilometres in a day, and they can do this for days if needed. It just so rare, because they are needed as quickly as possible to move to each engagement, so they have their own aerial and ground vehicles to get them around even faster And in a pinch even Warp Teleportation... Astartes Terminators even have PERSONAL teleporters, so you have this EVEN BIGGER (yet SLIGHTLY slower) Astartes that can teleport around like Tracer from Overwatch, while they saw you in half or rip a turret off a neaby tank whith their power armour enhanced hands... Astartes while incredibly strong and endurable are even more so in power armour. Because the Power Armour amplifies and enhances their power and speed, and they wear it as if it's a second skin. Because of the tech of the "Black Carapace" they link directly with their nervous systems, it makes them faster and stronger than HALO's Spartan II's by orders of magnitude. Nano second reaction times. Their limbs, while in combat or in a full sprint are impossible for the human eye to track in motion. While they rely on faster transport to deploy rapidly, they can and do run across a planet's surface, if for any reason there is a delay or problem with transportation... and still be at 100% to fight when they get there -without any rest breaks.
Well said man, I still remember reading a series of books where one of the main marines had to fight for literal weeks in shite conditions, only had to rest after 2 to 3 weeks?
@@tobywhitford3427the last story of brothers of the snake is like that, they fough days with ghe bolters then more weeks with only melee, so much that serfs have to bring new weapons
@@crustybomb115 I know. but if a clown attacked you with a squeeky hammer... wouldnt you as a roided up autistic killing machine try to kill the clown with the hammer that HE brought?
Honestly I think the Adeptus Mechanichus would LOVE to get an STC of Rein’s armor and other odds and ends of Overwatch’s tech. A miniature version of his retractable energy shield being distributed across the Imperial Guard alone would be a pain for the enemies of The Emperor to deal with.
@@DarthSpock1 Then just give it to Cawl. I’m sure he’ll find a way to work it into the Space Marines armory… I could actually see Chapter Serfs or Neophytes make great use of the Crusader Armors in place of Proper Marine armors. Or even the White Scars making the most of its built in rockets for SPEED.
@@DarthSpock1 No? It's ancient human tech, an intact STC containing any number of the technological innovations in Overwatch, such as hard light, invisibility, or healing nanites would be greatly appreciated once properly sanctified.
All fair points, I guess it just depends who gets a hold of the samples. I tend to get lost in WH40K lore, its so nutty (in a good way!) Like the "machine spirits" being a loop hole allowing some computer "AI" technology.
Machine spirits are a real thing, it is why legendary gear is just better despite it being technically identical to another non legendary weappn. Like a bolter that killed 1000 chaos marines would just become better at killing chaos marines with every kill. Penetrating the armor more than normal, hitting weak spots more often, etc.
One time, the Tau took control and sezied a space marine MIND, not his power armour, his MIND, and the marine said "No, im a Space Marine, i figth for the emperor, fuck you" and induced cardiac arrest on his TWO hearts and killed everyone connected to his mind. if Sombra and Rein manege to subdue a space marine, and sombra is connected with him (the space marine armour and machine spirit are connected to their mind) he would fucking kill her.
@@shadowmharsal6285They are either remanant of corrupted AIs or the extention of the will of the dormant shard of the Void Dragon on Mars. Either way Sombra touching that thing won’t end well for here.
Yes the omssahia is a necron god It’s very common that tech priest try to engage with necron lords heck even crawl went to a tomb world and hack the tomb world with his mind. My man hack a planet, so no sombra is out class
it's the space marine. Space marines don't NEED the power armor to be lethal killing machines. It just makes an already insanely powerful warrior that much more resilient.
@@eliphas_vlka people tend to forget there is 2 characters that can control/create black holes (Zarya & Sigma), one that can call for an orbital strike (Juno), one that can bend reallity (Symmetra), one that can transforms into a copy of Titus or Leandros (Echo), a super soldier is strong ? what about a super gorilla (Winston), they also have persons that can revive you, keep you from dying (Mercy, Baptiste, Kiriko), one that can become immortal (Zenyatta), one that uses the power of the sun as bullets (Illari), 3 that can call for powerfull spirits (Genji, Kiriko, Hanzo), 2 of which can melt you even within the armor (Genji, Hanzo), one that uses localised time travel (Tracer), and a bunch of other powerful ones you get the idea. I'm not saying they would win, but that would definitely not be unfair.
@@nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom1 super soldier? They are far more, 40k already have super gorillas, the jokaero and they cant win without their digital weapons
The movement speeds that warhammer claims space marines can go at has always been the biggest point of contention for me in regards to the their stats because people like to say they can run 60 mph when the average space marine goes half that at a full blown sprint after building up speed
Space marines in books are just way more powerful the they are in cinematics and games. Just depends which you take as the main source. 40k has always been incosistent.
I see this kinda like Spartans from halo. In the halo games, they can sprint for like a few seconds ((chief only jogging lol)) But In books, they can run at 34 mph
@@michaelcharles7757 exactly but space marines are a lot bigger than chief, chief is skinny compared to them and their armor which is why there is a in universe term for their speed and ability
@@NoSoulJoel177Thing is their armor is power armor, which mean its motorized. It not only doesn't hinder their speed but enhances it. They wouldn't be so fast without it.
Cool video, only thing I would add is that the space marines armor it's essentially a nuro link directly to the marines nervous system. More or less an extension of the marines body. It's not technology as we know today so I don't think it's "hackable" she would have to manipulate the marines mind which I don't think is possible. perhaps maybe I'm incorrect but yeah.
The Spirit of Eternity AI from the Death of Integrity novel did manage to seize the Blood Drinkers power armor but then again DAoT tech are literally magic so I dont know what Sombra can do here
Im fairly confident that sombra would not be able to hack the machine spirits of a space marine power armor, considering it's not AI, but a human soul.
@@a-blivvy-yusRegular bolt rounds perform poorly against power armour, one of the reasons the loyalists were on the backfoot in the initial stages of the heresy was the traitors came prepared with AP bolt rounds.
@@mulledchildren5503 Yes, but there's Heresy-era power armour, and then there's power armour from more than 25,000 years before that. I'm not going to say kraken rounds wouldn't help, but they wouldn't be *necessary.*
Classic bolt rounds already have a track record of killing humans in hyperadvanced armor through sheer impact of a bullet alone. Interrex. That much force would have bludgeoned Reinhardt to death rather quickly.
@@kriegsmanjaeger5545 that would be an absurdly lucky occurence for a lamenter tho... mainly because thats not overwhelmingly horrible odds to be stacked up against...
@@Blundabus1337 ???? what is your point of reference. In white dwarf around the 13th release, a single space marine was able to slaughter 1000~ something people in a day, doesn't matter if they are armed with guns or flashlights. Based on that, a space marine would be higher in a power comparison than a single regiment. book titled 'Gav and Bob, heroes of the imperium' shows a space marine easily dealing with the likes of ogryn, and is only stopped by a lucky streak (god bless ma boy Gav). Based on that, a guard regiment would be less threatening than a space maine.
@@secretname2670 no? A single space marine is not beating an entire guard regiment, hundreds of lasfire and tank fire would rip any space marine to shreds
Havent watched this yet, but off the top of my head I was like "I dunno, pretty sure reinheart is a few feet taller in armor" Then I remembered that doesnt fuckin matter when you concider it takes this mf 12 years to swing his only weapon, and his shield is pretty much useless since just a single laz shot or like, 2 or 3 bolt shots would pop it instantly. Though if doomfist can break it with his ult, a good clean punch could do the job too. Going back to his sluggishness, the marines are like WAY faster than they have any right being, shits like if reinheart had genjis movement minus the verticality.
@@averageeughenjoyer6429it's not about the writer, it's about their biology and how augmented they are is what makes their feat better. If normal first-born were fast, the Rubicon upgrading them making them more faster and skilled makes it more horrible for Reinhart.
Im saying this as a 40k fan with no Overwatch experience at all: the biggest advantage going for Reinhardt is his name. Aside from plot armour literally being a real concept in the 40k universe, like the primarchs for example are low-key engineered to maximize their plot armour, the writers just like to go wild with named characters. If he was up against a named character, Emperor forbid one who isn't wearing a helmet, he's absolutely screwed. Unfortunately for our centuries old superhuman soldier, that is not the case so the space marine would put up a fight and then make one fatal mistake that would see his skull caved in with that rocket hammer. That's a big part of 40k that I like: objective truths can be pushed out of the way and twisted by fun factor. Is a space marine better in every way than Reinhardt? Yeah probably. But would it be fun to kill the named character right in his first big duel? Hell nah! Also a counterargument for the Sombra part: machine spirits. I won't spoil much, but there is a scene in Gods of Mars where the main characters really need to do something with this machine, but it's machine spirit is refusing to comply and they can't force it despite all the effort. Then one of the characters reveals she has a copy of scrapcode that can basically rip a machine spirit out of a machine, making it merely a sum of all its material parts. Mega heresy btw, but the machine without the spirit is hacked and listening within seconds. Now again, Sombra being a named character would have a huge advantage, however the machine spirits of space marine armour tend to be extremely isolationist and stubborn. A space marine walks by a tech priest, and hes just this eerily dark spot in the noosphere because the spirit in the armour refuses to connect with any other device unless it is necessary to complete the space marine's mission. Now there is a case where an ancient AI from the dark age just locks up the armours of a buncho space marines with little effort shown, but that happened once, and the writers will mever miss a chance to exagerate any dark age tech. I would say Sombra could maybe slow a space marine down but not fully stop or take control of his armour. Maybe she could also engage in a bit of electronic warfare, as stallward as that machine spirit is, it still can't do diddly if jamming static is all that's getting into it's sensors so you could limit a space marine's sensory range and especially communication quite a lot with the right tools.
I agree on most parts but I think Reins hammer would actually do decent damage against the marine. The marine would be able to dodge but if Rein gets a hit in the Marine would definitly feel that. The Marine atill wins but I would put it closer to a 8 out of of 10.
this is literally hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby, and let me tell you that not even 10 reinhardts could do real damage to certain space marine chapters
Pretty sure the only thing sombra could mess with is their vox. Everything else is going to be standalone and require physical integration to be messed with. Good luck doing that with a space marine wearing their armor
Also let’s not forget how space marines don’t even lose any weight or anything when getting older. They just get fictionally wiser and smarter. And so far, Reinhardt lacks on trying to overcome his mortality.
Space marines do start to age and get weaker but it's way slower. Taking thousands of years for any real affects to take place, which is something very very few astartes have been out of stasis or lived long enough to have happen
@@twiztedmind209 true, I kidna forgot that part, but technically they do get stronger. Because their prime is like 150-200 years old. They are pretty strong at the age
pure agility and grit would pull it into the catachans favor. i doubt reinhardt would be willing to power through missing limbs and blood loss to the extent of the catachan
@@an-average-box Considering Catachans have sneaked up on and killed Plague Marines before a Catachan could fairly easily deal with Reinhardt (source: The Pandorax book)
Heres how the fight goes in my head , im giving the marine a thunder hammer since its hammer vs hammer time! (im not going to give him a jumpack or power sword or iron halo as i think that would just be unfair) - They square off, as both are basicly Sci-fi knights in heavy power armor and both have honor (well most loyalist marines i guess) - Rein Charges at the marine, the astartes easily dodges with his superhuman reflex - As Reinhardt turns around, the marine is already charging at him wasting no him - Rein charges his earth shatter, the marine tries to jump or dodge but the radius is too big and he staggers as he is hit by the ultimate to his knees - Rein comes in and whacks his hammer on the marines helmet , knocking him down... - As he is about to finish off the astartes, the marine grabs the hammer as it is about to hit him, Reinhardt stunned by how fast his opponent recovered, flinches which gives the marine enough time to shove the hammer towards rein -As rein staggers back, he is hit by a shoulder charge by the marine and falls, now the astartes starts to pummel his face with blow after blow of his gauntlet... - Assuming rein is still alive after say 4 punches? , The marines goes to pick up his thunder hammer and finishes the job (with probably a cool finisher line)
hammer vs hammer? Space Marine sees Reinhardt charge at him with his hammer.. he stands still.. powers on his hammer and swings right before impact at a reaction speed faster than reinhardt is moving.. and all we see is pink mist as reinhardt's head explodes
thing is.... the way you wrote this is way more like space marine vs space marine combat... realistically speaking the space marine would just atomize him with the thunder hammer before reinhardt has time to have an "oh shit" moment...
if i remember correctly the Big Boys of Overwatch control their battle suits with mostly strength and the space marine can move freely cuz of it's power supply which is their backpack so theoretically if Reinhardt manage to critically damage the power supply the space marine would be paralyzed or movements would be slowed down by 50 or 60 percent. we must also consider the quality of material that was used for their armour, which i have no knowledge about
the only thing i know sombra could do to the marine is lock him inside his armor. if she tries to dismantle it, the machine spirit might just detonate itself which is horrible because the armor is nuclear powered. machine spirits are kinda strange atm tho because some can be put to bed while others are just too angry to be shut off or reasoned with. that said though a gravis marine vs rein could be interesting, gravis marines are a lot slower but more heavily armored plus because of their hood they have less visibility. perhaps an ogryn would be a better fight between rein and it.
people tend to forget that in overwatch there is 2 characters that can control/create black holes (Zarya & Sigma), one that can call for an orbital strike (Juno), one that can bend reallity (Symmetra), one that can transforms into a copy of Titus or Leandros (Echo), a super soldier is strong ? what about a super gorilla (Winston), they also have persons that can revive you, keep you from dying (Mercy, Baptiste, Kiriko), one that can become immortal (Zenyatta), one that uses the power of the sun as bullets (Illari), 3 that can call for powerfull spirits (Genji, Kiriko, Hanzo), 2 of which can melt you even within the armor (Genji, Hanzo), one that uses localised time travel (Tracer), and a bunch of other powerful ones you get the idea. I'm not saying they would win, but that would definitely not be unfair.
Even though I fully agree with this matchup, I do think it could be very fun to see a specialized space marine using one of their jump packs and power hammers fight Reinhardt, just to see who can utilize their movement abilities and hammer better (it's the space marine but still, very fun)
To be fair, i think Rein VS An Astartes is pretty close, Reinhardt and the crusaders would still lose but its a pretty even and fair fight with both sides knowing Honor and would fight in glorious melee with heavy armor and weapons (unless we are talking about evil chaos marines but hey) And id say this is a much better match up compared to some absurd ones like SM vs Omniman...like wtf, a space marine is pretty realistic, they are just super enhanced soldiers with heavy armor and heavy weapons, we might actually see them in a hundred years or so, but theres no way in hell we will see a dude in a cape flying to another galaxy in a week But nice video dude, enjoyed it!
buddy, it isn't close, reinhardt has to have a slow stationary or range focused target to be effective. he gets the ground beef treatment if the space marine really has to
Some space marine chapters forge their own weapons,armor, & custom vehicles only available to those chapters. Forge worlds even make titans & develope their own tech. The imperium can make & knows how tech works, they just don't know how dark age tech works or how to replicate it.
1 thing tho is if she did take control the space marine can still control the suit bc of his own strength behind it as you can see how strong they are in the Retributors video when he got frozen by the magic
the only fair advantage I can see rein that could win is if he landed a earth shatter if the astartes was straight up running towards him and then immediately charge the moment the astartes gets staggered ramming him against a wall that alone should weaken the astartes power armor and allow him to land another swing that could be lethal, if he cant do that then then the astartes could dodge his hammer and then aim directly to his helmet and get the win another interesting character who could go toe to toe with a space marine would be doomfist, since his power fist can basically create a minature earth quake and send someone flying several hundred feet in a single punch if they can even survive the impact in the first place.
counter to the sombra bit: tech in the warhammer universe for humans at least are powered by machine spirits (The void dragons influence) so unless she can actively mess with the machine spirit shes not doing anything--I mean sure maybe the men of iron or any abominable intelligence would be prone to her attacks but not really any mechanicus tech? or anything that any of the Adeptus Astartes (assuming we're not talking about the sons of the first) would have. And thats not really encompassing the fact that any legione Astarte doesn't really need their power pack to be on to move/still be affective in a fight--sure he couldn't dodge any attacks from Reinhardt if his armor was "hacked" but he could still knock Rein on his ass without his armor being on and his hammer/shatter wouldn't be able to damage the marine much at all? I mean sure big hammer go THWUMP but even with the marines thunder hammers that could be useful against ceramite (the material their armor is made of) you still need a fuck off slap from zeus himself (electric BAMF) to create a worthy impact to damage the marines war plate. Actually I'd say Reinhardt is a great contender for some of the Mock Astartes the Tau created (which I believe something like 20 of these fake astartes went against one ultramarine and they only wounded him slightly after the son of guillieman violated them all.) and even in that case the fake astartes that the Tau created weren't even considered battle capable by the Tau's standards they were only used as training dummies to practice against actual Astartes like it was a simulation.
I doubt a somber could hack power armor. Maybe she could hack the machine spirit(Artificial intelligence OF SORTS), but the armor is directly connected to the marine’s nervous system through the black carapace. So she isn’t even hacking the armor, but the marine themself, which is impossible as the only thing able to corrupt an Astartes mind would be the ruinous powers of the warp or chaos deamons.
I don't think you can hack a closed system, so even if she is an expert hacker, like, how do you hack a literal calculator without opening it and manipulating it's hardware directly? A bit hard, though not denying it's possibility since i lack true knowledge on Overwatch.
A DaoT AI was able to turn off their armour without any direct link to their tech. Now obviously that's DaoT stuff but Sombra can literally just touch giant never before seen robots with her hand and make them do actions on the spot.
The armour also has a machine spirit inside it, which, depending on the kind of space marine, could affect it. Send in a techmarine and his technological expertise plus his devotion to machine spirits will just make Sombra obsolete
Honestly a space marine in crusader's armor is a terrifying thing to behold. Like if that's fitted for astartes use, we're looking at the equivalent of terminators in speed thrusters, and the barrier generator makes them perfect for all form of engagement. From boarding action, subterrainian combat, even open field, they can take it all. A terminator armor that trades a little protection for NO weaknesses Essentially the only real weakness to that armor is the pilot and material of the plates. Get it up to astartes grade then we got terminators in jump packs without mobility drawbacks
Now...what would happen if say, the Salamanders or Ultramarines found Overwatch Earth during the Omnic War, and then took a Rein in his prime and made him into a 'sort of' Space Marine, similar to Luther and Kor Phaeron....
Sombra's magic hacking isn't unlike the hacking of AI in the 40k universe from my understanding. I believe there was a story of an AI remotely locking the suits of a couple Astartes so it could chew out a Tech Priest for being so superstitous. So this would imply that an Astartes' power armor can be hacked, and it doesn't seem as if an Astartes' Black Carapace augmentation lends them any aid in overriding a hack.
According my my math .75 caliber is roughly equal to 19mm if anyone wanted to ino Oh and edit, Mjolnir wasn’t designed for Spartans, Spartans were designed for Mjolnir. They created this real cool new armor that killed its user and had to have a soldier specifically designed for it.
one thing you didn't consider (although it doesn't really change the outcome) is that space marines can live for hundreds of years, the oldest ones even being over 1000 years old, whereas Rienhardt in is prime is like 20-30, so battle experience is also hugely in the marine's favor
Even if Reinhardt and Sombra work together and would MAYBE have a chance against a Space Marine, then a Space Marine without armor would beat them both.
Im pretty sure the power armour enhances a spacemarines streangth and its heavy as fuck, but even space marines can move around even if their armour's power supply is busted, so sombra would just weken him and he can always spit acid at anyone close enough, cuz as we all know you get plot armour if tou dont wear your helmet
Space marine power armor doesn't work that way to get hacked and controlled to harm himself. Their armor isn't an Ironman suit. It's more like a medieval armor plate that is connected to fake muscle fiber bundles, that is powered by a mini reactor power pack on their back. There was a story where the Iron Hands chapter of the Space Marines, who loves replacing their flesh with augmetic robo arms and legs, got hit by an super powered EMP, which incapacitated most of their marines. However, those who had little to none of the augmetics were able to fight on. The only thing that wasn't working for them was their coms. The strength they receive comes from the fake muscle fiber bundles, not their armor. The icing on the cake is the black carapace that sits under their skin, which kinda sorta connects to the armor and makes the marine super agile even with the heavy plates. So most likely they both die saying NANI
Yeah no. Sombra can't just "touch" a space marine and take control. All of these arguments are based on a 40k a.i. that stopped some space marines once. Go dig up the actual specs to any of the marks of power armor. my favorite, the mark 6, has no networking. The entire thing is merely an exo frame controlled by the marine's nervous system. there's nothing for her to hack besides trying to fry his communications and confuse his auto senses. Yet all that would need to be done is take the helmet off. The A.I. in question used something else entirely to freeze the marines in place. It used it's beyond quantum computing power to enact countermeasures to directly attack the components of the armor separately and simultaneously. All within the span of a few nanoseconds. A dark age A.I. would nuke Sombra if she ever dared try. In the face of the "Abominable intelligence" humanity is merely allowed to exist.
as much as I want overwatch characters to win against a space marine . . . BUT NO. all the space marine has to do is battle of attrition they can go on days of non stop fighting
if you want to make the fight fair... just pretend the spacemarine going up against reinhardt is a lamenter he'd still win, but die from the wounds sustained
an unarmored space marine is still faster (and stronger) then most of the overwatch characters, and the ones he isn’t (tracer) he could easily kill by throwing a rock at her
common astartes are 7ft, with Primaris being slightly taller. the marine wins in terms of combat. but the difference in of base power, the crusader is strong man... the Space marine is a highly augmented super soldier. but I do not think that sombra can hack the marine armour, since it is not cybernetics or electronic in the most part, mainly it is the black carapace with the armour protecting that. the electronic systems are mainly power for the armour, and the equipment needed to keep them going for longer such as nutrient reservoir, vox and communications and visual feeds. I do not think she can cause the power armour to cease up or control them, maybe make them blind so they have to remove their helmets, could be a weakened enemy... but everyone named runs around without helmets anyway xD
I don't think you could hack IoM tech in 40k, at least not reliably. The machine spirit, present in most high end tech, is most likely a remnant of a very advanced AI, and would not take kindly to hacking attempts. Also, how would you connect to someone's power armor? I doubt it has bluetooth/WiFi.
The mechanicus would actually like the crucader energy shields especially for the guard and yes the imperium would actually use them because it's human tech also the armor would be easy to make using it for the guard
Nah, they will use tech they deemed worthy, if the Tech is belong to a race of soulless robots who selll they're souls to the Star Parasites, Smash and if it is belong to a race of retard communist fish people (Fucking Pass).
One thing to note, I dont think Sombra can do much to the power armor except fry the comms or turn off the armor. It’s ARMOR. And armor moves with its wearer. So she cant take control of it like a robot
@@IdontlikebeingsocialE My rules for cross verse hacking like this and whether is works is: 1.What kind of limitations has the hacking presented? 2. What level of tech has it dealt with before? 3. How different is the tech to the counterpart on our world. I am bassically using verse equivalisation so question number 3 is Always possible unless the tech is stated to just work differently than standard elektronics (Like if the tech actively uses magic to function like things from Zelda BotW.) Question number 2 also feels Like a given since OV is a Pretty advanced verse along with Sombra never showing ANY difficulty getting into super secure systems. Also SM armour, while advanced, isn't some Dark age level stuff so we can't give it some benefit of the doubt on how much more advanced it would be than OV mechs. And question 1 is another simple one. Sombra is literally able to touch secret goverment Robots and control them. That's pretty good.
I doubt sombra would be able to do much against the space marine. First of all you have to remember one of things they have is the black carapace which basically turns the armor into a second skin as its grafted onto the marine, and even then there's the machine spirit should it be loyal would try and resist the hacking
To the point about sombra being able to control a space marines power armour, its very likely she could A ship ai from the age of technology did exactly that, completely preventing the astartes from moving at all, so their armour is at the very least susceptible to hacking
@@IdontlikebeingsocialE in the 41st millenium? No, probably not But sombra would. If its hackable, which power armor demonstrably is, she can get into it
I'm curious on a marvel/dc tier list type scale where would you put space marines and primearchs ect? Like if you've got your street levels like Daredevil, your high street levels like Cap, city levels like spider-man, then many things in between before you get to like cosmic tiers such as Thor. I can't imagine they're Hulk level.... that would be too much but where would you put them?
@@giorgaras1851eh world breaker hulk was punching planets apart which is far above any physical feats of the primachs. If there's one universe that has Warhammer 40k soundly beat it's marvel/DC.
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I wanna see ya do a destiny guardian vs a space marine because a lot of angry 40k fans keep saying a space marine can handle black holes and the temperature of the sun being thrown at them and rip through a hundred guardians and their ghosts without a problem while if you do some lore reading a single guardian could take on an entire chapter of astartes.
The Crusades are more like Terminaters done better. That is assuming it is avg non psychic SM.
With the rockt he should be faster than that plus has a massive push power and a quicker snap dash in the offensive or outer range dodge.
The crusaders main weakness they not useing guns.
In my opinion a SM need power weapons like a power fist or polaxe or sword to smash through without gun otherwise it would be dangerous with the big nife.
Please keep in mind a marine is designed to be something that preys on what would be a apex predator on humans that's the purpose of space marines and there's a lot of predators about in wh40k
Oh power armour ain't getting hacked or the mechanicum would of used it as a fail safe against marines the mechanicum make marines power armour
Horus heresy would been rather short if the dark mechanicum could also infect marine power armour with scrap code
Let’s not forget the different chapters of space marines. If this were ultramarines, it’s no easy fight since the space marines of ultramar and the other planets under ultramarine control has such a well done economy and ability to tools and equipment of equal quality to each other consistently, all space marines of that chapter would have an advantage. However, other chapters where quality can vary quite a bit, they might find themselves at a disadvantage if they had armor and tools created with poor quality. So it could be said that Reinhardt’s chances are better with chapters of space marines that don’t have the level of consistent quality gear to be good. If one batch of armor is done terribly and could break from well placed blows due to micro fractures and bad tempering, many space marines could be lost even to a normal human greater strengths and size like Reinhardt. Bolters? Quality won’t matter so they can take Reinhardt at range and it won’t matter since the durability is enough that they won’t break in one battle of consistent fire. But given there are also differing series of armor for space marines, are the space marines equipped with up to date armor? There were armor in previous times that have riveted plates of armor put over their normal armor for more protection because it was either not enough armor or maybe the armor itself wasn’t strong enough/durable enough.
But as with your conclusion, one Reinhardt overall would get demolished. It’s just a thing to add that it could be better chances against other chapters of inconsistent production quality.
Your video was great and it did seem quite logical enough with its conclusion.
Fun fact about 40k, much of technology used by the imperium is is derived from civilian equipment used during the dark age of technology, imperial knights were originally used for agriculture use and Terminator armor, the great suits of power armor ever made by the Imperium is based on common mining equipment.
A common way of weapon development story for all over the world and all the time.
Even the Baneblade was originally used as an explorer vehicle
A fucking Baneblade... A BANEBLADE
Literally a decked out, land ship, futuristic german panzer was originally used as a fucking exploration vehicle
A BANEBLADE!!!
Based on is the key word here. Terminator Armor used mining suits as a base template, but all of them were developed for combat.
@@LordCrate-du8zmThat’s kind of a meme, terminator armor wasn’t originally for mining. Most space marine equipment was actually designed for space marines
@@aggressiveoatmealmemes6881 Yeah. But I wish the meme wasn't treated as fact.
Lets face it. Reinhardt is closer to an Ogryn than a space marine
Reinhardt is a big dude in a power armor, and there are such guys in warhammer as well. A wealthy nobleman or army commander can have one as a bodyguard or don such gear himself.
ogryns are actually WAY stronger physically than marines, pretty much ripping them apart with no effort, and are way bigger and a bit more durable. altough, a space marine is too smart to lose to an ogryn.
@@adman4150Not to mention that an orgyn at one point effortlessly dragged a tank several dozen (I think) meters.
That’s what I was thinking when I saw the thumbnail, tho Reinheardt is smarter, faster and has better tech and weapons
@@adman4150 "A space marine is too smart to lose to an Ogryn". Y'know, an Ogryn once shattered a Chaos Terminator's neck by suplexing him.
Space Marines don’t even get winded just going for a sprint. Space Marines only begin to show signs of exhaustion after multiple days of constant fighting and no rest. Also, .75cal bolters are old school, Great Crusade era stuff, most commonly, the Phobos pattern. Modern bolters, like the Godwyn-Diaz, or MKII Cawl, use .998. So it’s pretty much a 4-Bore rifle that fires a rocket assisted round designed to detonate once embedded in the target. Not even Astartes armor can stand up to bolterfire for long, as even if the shots don’t score any penetrating hits, the detonations blast chunks out of the armor plating, even straight up fracturing the whole plate, and fat lot of good that armor does you when it’s jingling like wind chimes in fragments from the undersuit.
Don’t know what a 4-Bore is? Go look up Kentucky Ballistics, he’s been beating the hell out of his shoulder with that thing for a good couple years now I think, all for our entertainment.
to put it simply in Russianbadger's words
they're bullet size of a red bull can
@@Tinkhec_best_maid that was the old bolter... modern bolters are more like monster cans.
Where are you getting this from?
All sources say the Godwyn and Cawl pattern bolters use .75 cal. The Phobos is .7 cal and the Tigris is .6 cal. Heavy bolters use a .998.
You could've at least done the guy who researched this for his video the courtesy of doing a quick google search before "correcting" him.
@@chosenrubric7308 I believe they got that source from an old video of TheRussianBadger talking about Space Marine 1 and took it to heart lol
No, they were retcon'd to .75 for some inexplicable reason.
In the first Space Marine game, as well as my old Codex Space Marines, the bolter is listed as being chambered in .998 and it has always been estimated (at least since i was a spotty yoof) that a Heavy Bolter round would be about the size of a can of coke.
A counterpoint to sombra’s hacking: assuming that any properties that the armor has carries over to the fight, then that means the armor has a machine spirit. If the spirit is loyal to the marine and angry at sombra, it may be able to resist the hacking. Take Rynn’s Might for example, a land raider that continued to fight despite its crew being dead.
I think Sombra's hacking can be countered by praying on your average Astartes power armor refrigerator
Yes, it can
Or it may not. Hacking powerarmor like so did happened in novels.
however hacking is basically the same as a warp field
but again, hacking wont do much against psykers
@@Steir12Except that the only case of power armor hacking i remember happening was from a DAoT AI, whose abilities would *absolutely* eclipse Sombra’s.
There’s no way Sombra’s hacking would have any affect on the space marines. Firstly even though the imperium is in a state of technological stagnation, their technology is still 39,000 some odd years ahead of the Overwatch timeline. Sombra’s tech would be like trying to hack a supercomputer with a type writer. She would have no reference to the coding language used and no experience dealing with a machine spirit. And most space marine weapons are analog, so even if she were somehow able to disable their auspex, there bolter would still work.
largely depends. a dark age of technology a.i was able to lock space marine armor up and suspend them indefinitely. sombra's hacking isn't based on real-world coding either so language probably wouldn't matter much, it's just magical movie hacking bs
@@deancairn4278 The DAOT era A.I.s were still a league all of their own. The descriptions of the men of iron's uprising leaves little to the imagination of just how devestating the height of human technological achievement really was. You're right, in either case it might as well just be movie/game magic BS, but in-universe, this is stuff where the fabric of reality is shifted by a button press. Plus, machine spirits. More or less if the spirit doesn't like you, it could just as well say "no, f**k off."
@@deancairn4278 There’s a considerable difference between a Dark Age AI and anything Sombra is using Chief.
Just because the tech is from 39,000 doesn't directly mean it's language is any different from ours, perhaps it is but with the way that 40k constantly back petals and loses technology so they could barely be any farther at all. As for overwatch, they are far more advanced than what we have today and probably on par with most of 40ks shit, sombra however effortlessly overwhelms all of it like it's nothing.
@@deadman9335 Dark Age of Technology humanity was on par with the late game federation from Star Trek. Overwatch tech is still only 30 some odd years ahead of our own. Most of the imperiums tech derives directly from dark age of technology tech, and has supernatural components. In some cases a machine spirit is literally a spirit
Lets be honest, even Astartes without power armor with only a knife is still not close simply by genetic modification they are put throu
They definetly lose most of the strength, the armor hard carried them
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 but they still have amazing endurance, stamina, intelligence, speed, still great amounts of strength and sheer will power
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 spacemarine has armor under their skin though, and they can easily chow down reinhart armor
@@trollinoakenshield9822 I didn’t know that, and was pretty skeptical of op’s comment before reading yours. Without that armor, even a super genetically suped up gorilla of a man would still probably lose out to a rocket power hammer swung by a (in this specific duel) a similarly sized, rocket powered gorilla of a man. I’m pretty new to the 40k universe in all honesty so I won’t pretend to know what I’m talking about, but (most) bones aren’t built for handling horizontal pressure, Rein’s speciality, even the super future genetically modified ones.
Space marine gene modes includes bone modification. The Ossmodula generates new cells and hormones that alter bone growth and they are given supplements in their food that these new cells can use that results in their bones become a metal-ceremic compound instead of just calcium. So i can imagine rein's hammer shattering on impact if a marine punches up into it.
Its simple, a bolter oneshots every member of the overwatch cast. One simple space marine might struggle against multiple members of the cast, but honestly i think a terminator and anything above (Named space marines) beats the entire cast together.
The physical abilities and traits of a Space Marine in 40k makes them demi gods in most other syfi then add the weapons and armor they use ...well kit's no much of a fight.
It's also going to be an Overkill if we're replacing the Astartes with Custodes.
and hell even the mighty GHAZGHKULL MAG URUK THRAKA can solo the entire cast on his own without makari
didnt i forget that he will solo ALL IN THE SAME TIME
Terminators are too slow, their strength is like of bovine- only good in numbers
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 Actually Terminators are Slow yes, but not Bulvine. More like the woeld war 2 Tank, Mouse strength equivalent to the 40k universe howevere named Astartes with power armor can literally make a dash.
"and then continuing to run a couple hundred more feet, before even beginning to feel winded." - No. I don't think you comprehend How insanely efficiently their bodies are engineered. There's at least 20,000 years of humanities technological advancement in their genetic strengths. In multiple books, Astartes are fighting hordes of enemies, in full on melee combat (without a break) for DAYS on end. They run as fast as a modern freeway car, and their bodies are so efficient they can sprint, full tilt for HOURS on end. Like even their long distance type of running would cover hundreds of kilometres in a day, and they can do this for days if needed. It just so rare, because they are needed as quickly as possible to move to each engagement, so they have their own aerial and ground vehicles to get them around even faster And in a pinch even Warp Teleportation... Astartes Terminators even have PERSONAL teleporters, so you have this EVEN BIGGER (yet SLIGHTLY slower) Astartes that can teleport around like Tracer from Overwatch, while they saw you in half or rip a turret off a neaby tank whith their power armour enhanced hands... Astartes while incredibly strong and endurable are even more so in power armour. Because the Power Armour amplifies and enhances their power and speed, and they wear it as if it's a second skin. Because of the tech of the "Black Carapace" they link directly with their nervous systems, it makes them faster and stronger than HALO's Spartan II's by orders of magnitude. Nano second reaction times. Their limbs, while in combat or in a full sprint are impossible for the human eye to track in motion. While they rely on faster transport to deploy rapidly, they can and do run across a planet's surface, if for any reason there is a delay or problem with transportation... and still be at 100% to fight when they get there -without any rest breaks.
Well said man, I still remember reading a series of books where one of the main marines had to fight for literal weeks in shite conditions, only had to rest after 2 to 3 weeks?
@@tobywhitford3427the last story of brothers of the snake is like that, they fough days with ghe bolters then more weeks with only melee, so much that serfs have to bring new weapons
1 Reinhard with 1 thrust hammer vs 1 Assault Space marine with thunder hammer. Spacemarine literally bonks him to death
1 swing and reinhardt isnt even in the same state of matter lol
yeah why don't you come over and say that to my face tough guy? BONK!!
Lets be real. the space marine would use reinharts hammer to hill reinheart
@@Naetheras reinhearts rocket powered hammer isnt really all that powerful by 40k standards...
@@crustybomb115 I know. but if a clown attacked you with a squeeky hammer... wouldnt you as a roided up autistic killing machine try to kill the clown with the hammer that HE brought?
first-born space marines already beat rein. Would love to see a primaris
A primaris would at least be able to stare rein in the eye while slaughtering him 😂
ok out of a few instances primaris beat first born marines unless its a named character
Or compromise and use someone who crossed the Rubicon Primaris. I’ll start, Marneus Calgar and Demetrian Titus
Make it a Thunder Warrior for the funnies.
@@yorukage5926 I mean, a primaris is bigger than a first-born. Primaris are on average, 8-9ft tall, and rein is barely 7 feet
Honestly I think the Adeptus Mechanichus would LOVE to get an STC of Rein’s armor and other odds and ends of Overwatch’s tech. A miniature version of his retractable energy shield being distributed across the Imperial Guard alone would be a pain for the enemies of The Emperor to deal with.
Eh, except they'd probably burn it as heretical first....
@@DarthSpock1 Then just give it to Cawl. I’m sure he’ll find a way to work it into the Space Marines armory…
I could actually see Chapter Serfs or Neophytes make great use of the Crusader Armors in place of Proper Marine armors. Or even the White Scars making the most of its built in rockets for SPEED.
@@DarthSpock1 No? It's ancient human tech, an intact STC containing any number of the technological innovations in Overwatch, such as hard light, invisibility, or healing nanites would be greatly appreciated once properly sanctified.
All fair points, I guess it just depends who gets a hold of the samples. I tend to get lost in WH40K lore, its so nutty (in a good way!) Like the "machine spirits" being a loop hole allowing some computer "AI" technology.
Machine spirits are a real thing, it is why legendary gear is just better despite it being technically identical to another non legendary weappn. Like a bolter that killed 1000 chaos marines would just become better at killing chaos marines with every kill. Penetrating the armor more than normal, hitting weak spots more often, etc.
One time, the Tau took control and sezied a space marine MIND, not his power armour, his MIND, and the marine said "No, im a Space Marine, i figth for the emperor, fuck you" and induced cardiac arrest on his TWO hearts and killed everyone connected to his mind.
if Sombra and Rein manege to subdue a space marine, and sombra is connected with him (the space marine armour and machine spirit are connected to their mind) he would fucking kill her.
I'm 100% convinced "machine spirirts" are some kind of AI
@@shadowmharsal6285 They ARE AI, just very limited
@@shadowmharsal6285They are either remanant of corrupted AIs or the extention of the will of the dormant shard of the Void Dragon on Mars. Either way Sombra touching that thing won’t end well for here.
Machine spirit is extension of the necron god of machines
So yeah it’s sorta live
Yes the omssahia is a necron god
It’s very common that tech priest try to engage with necron lords
heck even crawl went to a tomb world and hack the tomb world with his mind.
My man hack a planet, so no sombra is out class
Reinhardt - Just a tall bozo in armor.
Spacemarine - A literal demi god in armor.
Angel, Demi gods are the primarchs
@@bohemianearspoon8493custodians are angels
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 they are viewed as demi-gods, the space marines are the angles of death
@@sucraloseUncle Space marines are hardly demi gods. They’re more like special forces operatives.
Demi god? They die all the time, your run of the mill space marine is not that powerful in the grand scheme of the universe.
it's the space marine. Space marines don't NEED the power armor to be lethal killing machines. It just makes an already insanely powerful warrior that much more resilient.
I mean I think both sides need their armor? You get shot and your injured.
@@middy552 Yes. But which one's armor does the job better?
Next video: completely nude space marine with no arms vs all of Team Fortress and Overwatch
Every space marine gangster until heavy turns into POOTIS ENGAGE
the space marine gets tauntkilled :trol:
@@chrissierra-5633 oh look the fat one's running at me, watch this *plonk* hahaha look at him all turned to mush
@@YOMISimpleChoreography Clearly you aren't a man of culture
@@chrissierra-5633 if man of culture was what we called fanboys, indeed i am not. good observation, scout.
If you pair up Sambra and Reinhart, does the Space Marine get a Librarian on his side? :)
Lieutenant Titus and Chaplain Leandros vs all of Overwatch at once
@@TheUncivilizedNationbruh that would be so unfair that it would just be sad to watch, poor overwatch
Librarian or Techmarine fighting solo against Reinhardt/Sombra and you've negated any advantage Sombra might bring to the table.
@@eliphas_vlka people tend to forget there is 2 characters that can control/create black holes (Zarya & Sigma), one that can call for an orbital strike (Juno), one that can bend reallity (Symmetra), one that can transforms into a copy of Titus or Leandros (Echo), a super soldier is strong ? what about a super gorilla (Winston), they also have persons that can revive you, keep you from dying (Mercy, Baptiste, Kiriko), one that can become immortal (Zenyatta), one that uses the power of the sun as bullets (Illari), 3 that can call for powerfull spirits (Genji, Kiriko, Hanzo), 2 of which can melt you even within the armor (Genji, Hanzo), one that uses localised time travel (Tracer), and a bunch of other powerful ones you get the idea. I'm not saying they would win, but that would definitely not be unfair.
@@nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom1 super soldier? They are far more, 40k already have super gorillas, the jokaero and they cant win without their digital weapons
You forgot to factor in that Reinhardt is named and isn’t wearing a helmet
The movement speeds that warhammer claims space marines can go at has always been the biggest point of contention for me in regards to the their stats because people like to say they can run 60 mph when the average space marine goes half that at a full blown sprint after building up speed
Space marines in books are just way more powerful the they are in cinematics and games. Just depends which you take as the main source. 40k has always been incosistent.
Space marines Are so fast its unscientiffic
I see this kinda like Spartans from halo. In the halo games, they can sprint for like a few seconds ((chief only jogging lol))
But In books, they can run at 34 mph
@@michaelcharles7757 exactly but space marines are a lot bigger than chief, chief is skinny compared to them and their armor which is why there is a in universe term for their speed and ability
@@NoSoulJoel177Thing is their armor is power armor, which mean its motorized. It not only doesn't hinder their speed but enhances it. They wouldn't be so fast without it.
Cool video, only thing I would add is that the space marines armor it's essentially a nuro link directly to the marines nervous system. More or less an extension of the marines body. It's not technology as we know today so I don't think it's "hackable" she would have to manipulate the marines mind which I don't think is possible. perhaps maybe I'm incorrect but yeah.
No, you are correct
The Spirit of Eternity AI from the Death of Integrity novel did manage to seize the Blood Drinkers power armor but then again DAoT tech are literally magic so I dont know what Sombra can do here
Im fairly confident that sombra would not be able to hack the machine spirits of a space marine power armor, considering it's not AI, but a human soul.
Bolters with Kraken bolts will pierce Reinhardt’s power armor easily.
They wouldn't even need kraken bolts, really. This fight was always silly. But it's a lot of fun!
@@a-blivvy-yusRegular bolt rounds perform poorly against power armour, one of the reasons the loyalists were on the backfoot in the initial stages of the heresy was the traitors came prepared with AP bolt rounds.
@@mulledchildren5503 Yes, but there's Heresy-era power armour, and then there's power armour from more than 25,000 years before that. I'm not going to say kraken rounds wouldn't help, but they wouldn't be *necessary.*
Classic bolt rounds already have a track record of killing humans in hyperadvanced armor through sheer impact of a bullet alone. Interrex. That much force would have bludgeoned Reinhardt to death rather quickly.
@@a-blivvy-yus in this situation the kraken rounds might actually be less effective due to over penetration.
1 named space marine v all the overwatch characters together they space marine would still win
As long as the space marine takes of his helmet to get some of that emperor plot armor
@@benyminolla and emperor forbid he's and ultramarine
Don't even have to be named, a unnamed lamenter could solo them. And Survive without anything bad happening to him.
@@kriegsmanjaeger5545 that would be an absurdly lucky occurence for a lamenter tho... mainly because thats not overwhelmingly horrible odds to be stacked up against...
@@crustybomb115 it might happen but the lamenter immediately afterwards trips and dies
Read the title and immediately knew the space marine wins. If you wanted a more fair comparison. Put Reinhardt against an imperial guard regiment.
Isn't that 800+ men?
An Imperial guard regiment stomps a space marine, this is less fair.
@@Blundabus1337 ???? what is your point of reference. In white dwarf around the 13th release, a single space marine was able to slaughter 1000~ something people in a day, doesn't matter if they are armed with guns or flashlights.
Based on that, a space marine would be higher in a power comparison than a single regiment.
book titled 'Gav and Bob, heroes of the imperium' shows a space marine easily dealing with the likes of ogryn, and is only stopped by a lucky streak (god bless ma boy Gav).
Based on that, a guard regiment would be less threatening than a space maine.
@@secretname2670 no? A single space marine is not beating an entire guard regiment, hundreds of lasfire and tank fire would rip any space marine to shreds
@@datboy1628 k source?
@@secretname2670 space wolfs omnibus and cadian blood have guardsmen regiment slaughter spacemarine and chaos space marines respectively
All beef aside, Rein would be an amazing Space Marine, though I wonder which chapter he would take part of?
Def space wolves
Havent watched this yet, but off the top of my head I was like "I dunno, pretty sure reinheart is a few feet taller in armor" Then I remembered that doesnt fuckin matter when you concider it takes this mf 12 years to swing his only weapon, and his shield is pretty much useless since just a single laz shot or like, 2 or 3 bolt shots would pop it instantly. Though if doomfist can break it with his ult, a good clean punch could do the job too. Going back to his sluggishness, the marines are like WAY faster than they have any right being, shits like if reinheart had genjis movement minus the verticality.
It varies greatly on writer, can’t compare Astartes as a whole because they’re inconsistent, it’s more fair to compare them from specific novels
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 I'm not going off any feats, just their basic anatomy and default abilities. Stuff stories are based on.
@@averageeughenjoyer6429it's not about the writer, it's about their biology and how augmented they are is what makes their feat better.
If normal first-born were fast, the Rubicon upgrading them making them more faster and skilled makes it more horrible for Reinhart.
@@SpamorammA The thing is that probably what you know isn’t even taken into consideration during their writing
@@vothbetilia4862 which greatly varies depending on novel
5:14 couple hundred feet? Nah my guy check the lore. These guys can run in full lower armor for days at a time before needing to rest.
@@sparkeykills1 “a couple hundred more feet before even beginning to sweat” I didn’t say that’s where they’d stop
@@kyphxrthat's the funny thing they don't sweat
*Fanfiction! Not lore!
Black Library is not canon. Only The ruel books, codexies and role play suplements are!!
Awesome video keep up the good work.
Im saying this as a 40k fan with no Overwatch experience at all: the biggest advantage going for Reinhardt is his name. Aside from plot armour literally being a real concept in the 40k universe, like the primarchs for example are low-key engineered to maximize their plot armour, the writers just like to go wild with named characters. If he was up against a named character, Emperor forbid one who isn't wearing a helmet, he's absolutely screwed. Unfortunately for our centuries old superhuman soldier, that is not the case so the space marine would put up a fight and then make one fatal mistake that would see his skull caved in with that rocket hammer.
That's a big part of 40k that I like: objective truths can be pushed out of the way and twisted by fun factor. Is a space marine better in every way than Reinhardt? Yeah probably. But would it be fun to kill the named character right in his first big duel? Hell nah!
Also a counterargument for the Sombra part: machine spirits. I won't spoil much, but there is a scene in Gods of Mars where the main characters really need to do something with this machine, but it's machine spirit is refusing to comply and they can't force it despite all the effort. Then one of the characters reveals she has a copy of scrapcode that can basically rip a machine spirit out of a machine, making it merely a sum of all its material parts. Mega heresy btw, but the machine without the spirit is hacked and listening within seconds. Now again, Sombra being a named character would have a huge advantage, however the machine spirits of space marine armour tend to be extremely isolationist and stubborn. A space marine walks by a tech priest, and hes just this eerily dark spot in the noosphere because the spirit in the armour refuses to connect with any other device unless it is necessary to complete the space marine's mission. Now there is a case where an ancient AI from the dark age just locks up the armours of a buncho space marines with little effort shown, but that happened once, and the writers will mever miss a chance to exagerate any dark age tech. I would say Sombra could maybe slow a space marine down but not fully stop or take control of his armour. Maybe she could also engage in a bit of electronic warfare, as stallward as that machine spirit is, it still can't do diddly if jamming static is all that's getting into it's sensors so you could limit a space marine's sensory range and especially communication quite a lot with the right tools.
I agree on most parts but I think Reins hammer would actually do decent damage against the marine. The marine would be able to dodge but if Rein gets a hit in the Marine would definitly feel that.
The Marine atill wins but I would put it closer to a 8 out of of 10.
did you make this vid for me? lol good stuff :D
reinheart is more the spacewolves
8:06 you forgot about the machine spirit that lies within the armor
pretty sure a banana is closer to a human being than an Astarte genetically
Giving the space marines a name makes them 10000000000000000000000% more powerful.
this is literally hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby, and let me tell you that not even 10 reinhardts could do real damage to certain space marine chapters
or any chapter
Pretty sure the only thing sombra could mess with is their vox. Everything else is going to be standalone and require physical integration to be messed with. Good luck doing that with a space marine wearing their armor
Also let’s not forget how space marines don’t even lose any weight or anything when getting older. They just get fictionally wiser and smarter. And so far, Reinhardt lacks on trying to overcome his mortality.
Space marines aren't immortal but they for sure can live for centuries or even millennia in some cases.
Space marines do start to age and get weaker but it's way slower. Taking thousands of years for any real affects to take place, which is something very very few astartes have been out of stasis or lived long enough to have happen
@@twiztedmind209 true, I kidna forgot that part, but technically they do get stronger. Because their prime is like 150-200 years old. They are pretty strong at the age
A single catachan could kill Reinhardt.
That's how OP warhammer is.
Arguable but I can see it
pure agility and grit would pull it into the catachans favor. i doubt reinhardt would be willing to power through missing limbs and blood loss to the extent of the catachan
@@an-average-box Considering Catachans have sneaked up on and killed Plague Marines before a Catachan could fairly easily deal with Reinhardt (source: The Pandorax book)
That's a gross overstatement
A hive ganger could probably manage to kill Reinhardt.
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Heres how the fight goes in my head , im giving the marine a thunder hammer since its hammer vs hammer time! (im not going to give him a jumpack or power sword or iron halo as i think that would just be unfair)
- They square off, as both are basicly Sci-fi knights in heavy power armor and both have honor (well most loyalist marines i guess)
- Rein Charges at the marine, the astartes easily dodges with his superhuman reflex
- As Reinhardt turns around, the marine is already charging at him wasting no him
- Rein charges his earth shatter, the marine tries to jump or dodge but the radius is too big and he staggers as he is hit by the ultimate to his knees
- Rein comes in and whacks his hammer on the marines helmet , knocking him down...
- As he is about to finish off the astartes, the marine grabs the hammer as it is about to hit him, Reinhardt stunned by how fast his opponent recovered, flinches which gives the marine enough time to shove the hammer towards rein
-As rein staggers back, he is hit by a shoulder charge by the marine and falls, now the astartes starts to pummel his face with blow after blow of his gauntlet...
- Assuming rein is still alive after say 4 punches? , The marines goes to pick up his thunder hammer and finishes the job (with probably a cool finisher line)
hammer vs hammer?
Space Marine sees Reinhardt charge at him with his hammer.. he stands still.. powers on his hammer and swings right before impact at a reaction speed faster than reinhardt is moving.. and all we see is pink mist as reinhardt's head explodes
thing is.... the way you wrote this is way more like space marine vs space marine combat... realistically speaking the space marine would just atomize him with the thunder hammer before reinhardt has time to have an "oh shit" moment...
@@MarkOfTzeentchThen why are they not so fast in games?🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@crustybomb115Why the Blackwatch Squad die by a few Tyrranids? I thought they had super speed and super strength?
@@chris_P._bacōn98 They are fast, just look at boltgun.
Neat video. I think that Reinhardt and a space marine assault sgt. with a thunderhammer and a jump pack would have a lot of similarities.
if i remember correctly the Big Boys of Overwatch control their battle suits with mostly strength and the space marine can move freely cuz of it's power supply which is their backpack so theoretically if Reinhardt manage to critically damage the power supply the space marine would be paralyzed or movements would be slowed down by 50 or 60 percent.
we must also consider the quality of material that was used for their armour, which i have no knowledge about
Finally a video like this me
And my brother thought of this
the only thing i know sombra could do to the marine is lock him inside his armor. if she tries to dismantle it, the machine spirit might just detonate itself which is horrible because the armor is nuclear powered. machine spirits are kinda strange atm tho because some can be put to bed while others are just too angry to be shut off or reasoned with. that said though a gravis marine vs rein could be interesting, gravis marines are a lot slower but more heavily armored plus because of their hood they have less visibility. perhaps an ogryn would be a better fight between rein and it.
Id love to see 40k Space Marines massacre overwatch characters.
I don't know much about overwatch, but I think the entire overwatch roster could take on a tactical squad
people tend to forget that in overwatch there is 2 characters that can control/create black holes (Zarya & Sigma), one that can call for an orbital strike (Juno), one that can bend reallity (Symmetra), one that can transforms into a copy of Titus or Leandros (Echo), a super soldier is strong ? what about a super gorilla (Winston), they also have persons that can revive you, keep you from dying (Mercy, Baptiste, Kiriko), one that can become immortal (Zenyatta), one that uses the power of the sun as bullets (Illari), 3 that can call for powerfull spirits (Genji, Kiriko, Hanzo), 2 of which can melt you even within the armor (Genji, Hanzo), one that uses localised time travel (Tracer), and a bunch of other powerful ones you get the idea. I'm not saying they would win, but that would definitely not be unfair.
Someone needed a video for this
Even though I fully agree with this matchup, I do think it could be very fun to see a specialized space marine using one of their jump packs and power hammers fight Reinhardt, just to see who can utilize their movement abilities and hammer better (it's the space marine but still, very fun)
To be fair, i think Rein VS An Astartes is pretty close, Reinhardt and the crusaders would still lose but its a pretty even and fair fight with both sides knowing Honor and would fight in glorious melee with heavy armor and weapons (unless we are talking about evil chaos marines but hey)
And id say this is a much better match up compared to some absurd ones like SM vs Omniman...like wtf, a space marine is pretty realistic, they are just super enhanced soldiers with heavy armor and heavy weapons, we might actually see them in a hundred years or so, but theres no way in hell we will see a dude in a cape flying to another galaxy in a week
But nice video dude, enjoyed it!
buddy, it isn't close, reinhardt has to have a slow stationary or range focused target to be effective. he gets the ground beef treatment if the space marine really has to
Some space marine chapters forge their own weapons,armor, & custom vehicles only available to those chapters. Forge worlds even make titans & develope their own tech. The imperium can make & knows how tech works, they just don't know how dark age tech works or how to replicate it.
1 thing tho is if she did take control the space marine can still control the suit bc of his own strength behind it as you can see how strong they are in the Retributors video when he got frozen by the magic
the only fair advantage I can see rein that could win is if he landed a earth shatter if the astartes was straight up running towards him and then immediately charge the moment the astartes gets staggered ramming him against a wall that alone should weaken the astartes power armor and allow him to land another swing that could be lethal, if he cant do that then then the astartes could dodge his hammer and then aim directly to his helmet and get the win
another interesting character who could go toe to toe with a space marine would be doomfist, since his power fist can basically create a minature earth quake and send someone flying several hundred feet in a single punch if they can even survive the impact in the first place.
counter to the sombra bit: tech in the warhammer universe for humans at least are powered by machine spirits (The void dragons influence) so unless she can actively mess with the machine spirit shes not doing anything--I mean sure maybe the men of iron or any abominable intelligence would be prone to her attacks but not really any mechanicus tech? or anything that any of the Adeptus Astartes (assuming we're not talking about the sons of the first) would have.
And thats not really encompassing the fact that any legione Astarte doesn't really need their power pack to be on to move/still be affective in a fight--sure he couldn't dodge any attacks from Reinhardt if his armor was "hacked" but he could still knock Rein on his ass without his armor being on and his hammer/shatter wouldn't be able to damage the marine much at all? I mean sure big hammer go THWUMP but even with the marines thunder hammers that could be useful against ceramite (the material their armor is made of) you still need a fuck off slap from zeus himself (electric BAMF) to create a worthy impact to damage the marines war plate.
Actually I'd say Reinhardt is a great contender for some of the Mock Astartes the Tau created (which I believe something like 20 of these fake astartes went against one ultramarine and they only wounded him slightly after the son of guillieman violated them all.) and even in that case the fake astartes that the Tau created weren't even considered battle capable by the Tau's standards they were only used as training dummies to practice against actual Astartes like it was a simulation.
I dont know man.... they keep buffing orisa.. the space Marines might have trouble fighting current day orisa. XD XD
I feel like sigma would be the best to try and stop a space marine with him controlling gravity and all
I would love to see Sombra see a servo-skull and thinking it's a A.I
Assuming even sombra could decipher the technology of the 40k.
bro just gained a sub
I doubt a somber could hack power armor. Maybe she could hack the machine spirit(Artificial intelligence OF SORTS), but the armor is directly connected to the marine’s nervous system through the black carapace. So she isn’t even hacking the armor, but the marine themself, which is impossible as the only thing able to corrupt an Astartes mind would be the ruinous powers of the warp or chaos deamons.
nice analysis bro
Sombra is gonna have nightmares if it's a techmarine
I don't think you can hack a closed system, so even if she is an expert hacker, like, how do you hack a literal calculator without opening it and manipulating it's hardware directly? A bit hard, though not denying it's possibility since i lack true knowledge on Overwatch.
A DaoT AI was able to turn off their armour without any direct link to their tech.
Now obviously that's DaoT stuff but Sombra can literally just touch giant never before seen robots with her hand and make them do actions on the spot.
The armour also has a machine spirit inside it, which, depending on the kind of space marine, could affect it. Send in a techmarine and his technological expertise plus his devotion to machine spirits will just make Sombra obsolete
Honestly a space marine in crusader's armor is a terrifying thing to behold. Like if that's fitted for astartes use, we're looking at the equivalent of terminators in speed thrusters, and the barrier generator makes them perfect for all form of engagement. From boarding action, subterrainian combat, even open field, they can take it all. A terminator armor that trades a little protection for NO weaknesses
Essentially the only real weakness to that armor is the pilot and material of the plates. Get it up to astartes grade then we got terminators in jump packs without mobility drawbacks
Now...what would happen if say, the Salamanders or Ultramarines found Overwatch Earth during the Omnic War, and then took a Rein in his prime and made him into a 'sort of' Space Marine, similar to Luther and Kor Phaeron....
I was like WTF is a Reinhardt
Sombra's magic hacking isn't unlike the hacking of AI in the 40k universe from my understanding. I believe there was a story of an AI remotely locking the suits of a couple Astartes so it could chew out a Tech Priest for being so superstitous.
So this would imply that an Astartes' power armor can be hacked, and it doesn't seem as if an Astartes' Black Carapace augmentation lends them any aid in overriding a hack.
Next video: 1 UltraMarine Terminator vs 30 Reinhearts
Bait used to be- HOLY SHIT IS THAT MAXIM FROM LIBRARY OF RUINA??????
According my my math .75 caliber is roughly equal to 19mm if anyone wanted to ino
Oh and edit, Mjolnir wasn’t designed for Spartans, Spartans were designed for Mjolnir. They created this real cool new armor that killed its user and had to have a soldier specifically designed for it.
For a Space Marine the omnic war would have been a relaxing vacation.
one thing you didn't consider (although it doesn't really change the outcome) is that space marines can live for hundreds of years, the oldest ones even being over 1000 years old, whereas Rienhardt in is prime is like 20-30, so battle experience is also hugely in the marine's favor
Even if Reinhardt and Sombra work together and would MAYBE have a chance against a Space Marine, then a Space Marine without armor would beat them both.
Im pretty sure the power armour enhances a spacemarines streangth and its heavy as fuck, but even space marines can move around even if their armour's power supply is busted, so sombra would just weken him and he can always spit acid at anyone close enough, cuz as we all know you get plot armour if tou dont wear your helmet
A space marine versus Reindhart is like Spider-Man against a fourth grader
Space marine power armor doesn't work that way to get hacked and controlled to harm himself. Their armor isn't an Ironman suit. It's more like a medieval armor plate that is connected to fake muscle fiber bundles, that is powered by a mini reactor power pack on their back. There was a story where the Iron Hands chapter of the Space Marines, who loves replacing their flesh with augmetic robo arms and legs, got hit by an super powered EMP, which incapacitated most of their marines. However, those who had little to none of the augmetics were able to fight on. The only thing that wasn't working for them was their coms. The strength they receive comes from the fake muscle fiber bundles, not their armor. The icing on the cake is the black carapace that sits under their skin, which kinda sorta connects to the armor and makes the marine super agile even with the heavy plates. So most likely they both die saying NANI
Yeah no. Sombra can't just "touch" a space marine and take control. All of these arguments are based on a 40k a.i. that stopped some space marines once. Go dig up the actual specs to any of the marks of power armor. my favorite, the mark 6, has no networking. The entire thing is merely an exo frame controlled by the marine's nervous system. there's nothing for her to hack besides trying to fry his communications and confuse his auto senses. Yet all that would need to be done is take the helmet off.
The A.I. in question used something else entirely to freeze the marines in place. It used it's beyond quantum computing power to enact countermeasures to directly attack the components of the armor separately and simultaneously. All within the span of a few nanoseconds. A dark age A.I. would nuke Sombra if she ever dared try. In the face of the "Abominable intelligence" humanity is merely allowed to exist.
as much as I want overwatch characters to win against a space marine . . . BUT NO. all the space marine has to do is battle of attrition they can go on days of non stop fighting
if you want to make the fight fair... just pretend the spacemarine going up against reinhardt is a lamenter
he'd still win, but die from the wounds sustained
an unarmored space marine is still faster (and stronger) then most of the overwatch characters, and the ones he isn’t (tracer) he could easily kill by throwing a rock at her
Wrecking ball would squish unarmored space marine into omelet.
THAT INTOR MUSIC THO
common astartes are 7ft, with Primaris being slightly taller. the marine wins in terms of combat. but the difference in of base power, the crusader is strong man... the Space marine is a highly augmented super soldier.
but I do not think that sombra can hack the marine armour, since it is not cybernetics or electronic in the most part, mainly it is the black carapace with the armour protecting that. the electronic systems are mainly power for the armour, and the equipment needed to keep them going for longer such as nutrient reservoir, vox and communications and visual feeds. I do not think she can cause the power armour to cease up or control them, maybe make them blind so they have to remove their helmets, could be a weakened enemy... but everyone named runs around without helmets anyway xD
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why is this even a question in the first place
That's unfortunate because Reinhardt is easily the coolest Overwatch character
I don't think you could hack IoM tech in 40k, at least not reliably. The machine spirit, present in most high end tech, is most likely a remnant of a very advanced AI, and would not take kindly to hacking attempts. Also, how would you connect to someone's power armor? I doubt it has bluetooth/WiFi.
I think they will be doomed if the machine spirit of Adapted Mechanicus ladder turned into a Men of Iron 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
The mechanicus would actually like the crucader energy shields especially for the guard and yes the imperium would actually use them because it's human tech also the armor would be easy to make using it for the guard
Nah, they will use tech they deemed worthy, if the Tech is belong to a race of soulless robots who selll they're souls to the Star Parasites, Smash and if it is belong to a race of retard communist fish people (Fucking Pass).
Space Marine: Ya got spirit kid I’ll give ya that.
bro didnt even mention the chainswords being able to cut atoms
One thing to note, I dont think Sombra can do much to the power armor except fry the comms or turn off the armor. It’s ARMOR. And armor moves with its wearer. So she cant take control of it like a robot
It can get locked up and make marines unable to move Fully.
@@matijasostojic4288 that’s if she’s able to hack it there tech is entirely different to her verses tech
@@IdontlikebeingsocialE My rules for cross verse hacking like this and whether is works is:
1.What kind of limitations has the hacking presented?
2. What level of tech has it dealt with before?
3. How different is the tech to the counterpart on our world.
I am bassically using verse equivalisation so question number 3 is Always possible unless the tech is stated to just work differently than standard elektronics (Like if the tech actively uses magic to function like things from Zelda BotW.)
Question number 2 also feels Like a given since OV is a Pretty advanced verse along with Sombra never showing ANY difficulty getting into super secure systems.
Also SM armour, while advanced, isn't some Dark age level stuff so we can't give it some benefit of the doubt on how much more advanced it would be than OV mechs.
And question 1 is another simple one.
Sombra is literally able to touch secret goverment Robots and control them.
That's pretty good.
*spits in your face* “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!”
Which chapter is the grey ones?
I doubt sombra would be able to do much against the space marine. First of all you have to remember one of things they have is the black carapace which basically turns the armor into a second skin as its grafted onto the marine, and even then there's the machine spirit should it be loyal would try and resist the hacking
I mean Rynn's might had its whole crew dead an the tank was so pissed off an loyal to its crew mates its piloted itself an continued to kill orks
Nothing! Can stand between me and my brothers and COMPLETING THE MISSION THE GOD EMPEROR HAS ENDOWED UPON US! 😈😈😈
To the point about sombra being able to control a space marines power armour, its very likely she could
A ship ai from the age of technology did exactly that, completely preventing the astartes from moving at all, so their armour is at the very least susceptible to hacking
yeah but that’s when humans had the technology to just delete stars and sombras tech probably isnt as good as the tech humans had then
@@IdontlikebeingsocialE in the 41st millenium? No, probably not
But sombra would. If its hackable, which power armor demonstrably is, she can get into it
@@IdontlikebeingsocialE neither is astartes power armor
@@PuppyM0dr honestly don't see how sombra would get into the armor, it's tech is nothing like what she has seen in OW
I'm curious on a marvel/dc tier list type scale where would you put space marines and primearchs ect? Like if you've got your street levels like Daredevil, your high street levels like Cap, city levels like spider-man, then many things in between before you get to like cosmic tiers such as Thor.
I can't imagine they're Hulk level.... that would be too much but where would you put them?
You could argue Vulkan to be hulk level since almost nothing can put him down for good while making broken weapons.
@@giorgaras1851eh world breaker hulk was punching planets apart which is far above any physical feats of the primachs. If there's one universe that has Warhammer 40k soundly beat it's marvel/DC.
@@nic0284 the comic version for sure but the movie version is debatable.
reinhardt might be a fun guy, but he is like a tau space merine. big but lacks experience and proper gear
OR15 isnt a good comparison imo. Remember, Doomfist was said the be able to level skyscrapers not even in his prime, and he got chased away by Orisa
Reinhardt vs space marine? Interesting.
Now Sombra vs Machine?
Very interesting.
It doesn’t even matter if it’s a firstborn or a primaris, they win with ease either way
If they make a Warhammer 40k collab in overwatch I might just play Overwatch again