@@A_Planner_and_a_Dreamer Yeah exactly. And it was my assumption that, up to this point, all he'd really came up against was petty criminals on the streets so the events of this film are probably quite character building for him lol, coming up against someone like The Riddler for the first time.
@@pinklefoo I'm well aware, but Matt Reeves also stated that Joker wasn't yet at a point where he's the same Joker we are used to. He doesn't even yet refer to himself as Joker. He's not as public, high profile or big of a deal as the Joker we know, so it's hard to know how much of a challenge he was for Batman when he first took him down. And was it confirmed that that gang belong to Joker? Most people seem to think that they're just random thugs wearing facepaint (because it was Halloween) as opposed to them being Joker goons, partly because of the reasons above.
The eye makeup isn't a fashion statement. It's to conceal the skin around Batman's eyes while he's wearing the mask, to make his appearance more frightening.
He may be the first Bruce Wayne to show and admit he wears eyeliner under the cowl. And I'm down with that. Pattinson may be my favorite Batman, and I grew up with all of them. It's a strange realization.
@@RonJomero he's become mu favorite because his Bruce Wayne shows that Bruce Wayne is broken and maybe even nonexistent as an identity. Something I live about Batman that a lot of people miss about him is that Bruce Wayne died in that alley with his parents. People don't like to acknowledge trauma in others, especially in children, even in fictitious comic book characters. So Bruce's real face is the Batman and he puts on a public image of Bruce Wayne that is essentially a fabrication.
I love this Batman film because it actually portrays Batman as a detective. At his core he's a detective. Most batman movies are action flicks but this one he's actually what he is on the big screen.
*Matt Reeves drew heavy inspiration from a highly coveted story “The Long Halloween” In which Selena was the daughter of Falcone. Bruce’s opening monologue is from the same source. As well as Thomas Wayne performing surgery on Falcone. I highly recommend giving it a read. Reeves did an excellent job with this iteration. This is exactly everything I could ever want in a Batman film. And yes, Selena and Bruce have always had a thing for each other in the comics*
Not while ago i saw the long Halloween movie adaptation and i was glad that it had some things taken from it like the narration and selena being carmine daughter and the reference of thomas wayne performing surgery on carmine
@@metelineblue294 The next movie or at least the Penguin show is apparently during No Mans Land where Gotham is partially destroyed and all villains are trying to gain control. In that story line Two Face had a massive play.
I agree with George, nods to Seven, Zodiac and Chinatown. Batman's detective skills on full display. Fingers crossed an obscure Batman villain like Hush or Black Mask is featured for the next movie.
With the power vacuum this created Penguin vs Black Mask would be perfect. Also, with the corruption now being out in the open and the DA having gone up in smoke, the sequel is the perfect time to introduce Harvey Dent.
@@3Rayfire 🙌 I'd have Sent be an ally for all of part 2. Rushing him into Two-Face would be pulling tricks from Dark Knight and Reeves is better than that. Black Mask vs Penguin with the emergence of a serial killer like Calendar Man would be 🤌
@@dnllrnt 💯%. Burton had it right having Dent be in the first Batman to bring him back later. I want to see him handled like in Batman The Animated Series, have him brought in establish his rage issues and mental health problems, but then change it up. Have him actually succeed in holding his rage in check and be an ally to the end. Then have him become Two Face in the third.
I just want a decent Two-Face ffs. Also you can make an Oscar worth drama line with Freeze and his wife story. Poison Ivy, Bane and other classic foes will still be great to refresh/ take a different look on
This Riddler is very much inspired by the Zodiac Killer, from the simular use of ciphers to how he looks like the composite sketch. Paul Dano was such a great choice. He's no stranger to characters who look innocent and vulnerable, but are harbouring such psychotic tendencies.
My favorite thing about Pattinson’s Batman is that he isn’t even at his peak, yet. He’s still trying to work out the kinks and fine-tune things. Even his crash in the wing-suit is something he’ll eventually work on. At this point, he doesn’t see the benefit of what “Bruce Wayne” can accomplish in the war on crime and corruption. But that interaction with the new Mayor, her trying to convince him to be a bit philanthropic is probably going to be a Segway into eventually becoming the billionaire-philanthropist. This series of films is taking its time. I’m stoked that we’ll get to see him upgrade the suit, gadgets, the Batmobile, the Batcave.
I'd say he really isn't on his peak, going after the Catwoman instead of getting to the important witness he was planning on - and because of that the villains could kill her with no trouble whatsoever. =/ And yes, I also hate how in the Dark Knight Rises Selina's BFF just magically disappears half-way the movie and no-one seems to care despite she tried to protect Selina from Bruce after he found out Catwoman's identity.
Well it's twofold as Bella Real was telling him that taking up his family's philanthropic work could really have an impact, but because he hadn't been paying attention to anything, Renew had become a slush fund for the city's corruption. So Bruce Wayne become billionaire philanthropist Bruce Wayne is both the right thing to do as Bruce and a necessity to do as Batman.
Late to the party, but... Agreed. Him realizing that fear alone won't help the city and that he has to become more, and bring the people hope + his chat with Réal will push him to embrace Bruce Wyane and try to better the city through that as well.
I love how they filmed not only in Chicago again for certain shots of Gotham but also in the UK this time for that real old city vibe! Always love your reactions ... you two play extremely well off each other!
I heard that "drops" came about because if they used a real street drug, or anything resembling a real street drug, the movie would have gotten an R rating. Was a clever way around that.
It's always so cool to see you guys genuinely impressed. It's not often that your reactions have silences this long. Starfleet insignia wouldn't look out of place on Simone's pullover btw!
In many ways, this was the most "batman" out of all the batman movies. Particularly, the look and feel of Gotham City. It just looks and feels dangerous. But, it also feels universal, like it could take place anytime. What I mean is that despite having modern technology and cars and clothing, it also has old-school buildings, police attire and vehicles. This makes the city look and feel unique and unlike other cities in the dc universe!
@@jp3813 when someone says this is the most batman out of all the batman movies, they mean live action. If I see another person respond to a comment like this with ''Mask of the Phantasm'' I am going to slap the shit out of an orphan child.
@@jp3813 never said it isn't, nor did I say its bad. But when people are discussing the batman movies and which is the best portrayal, it's almost always exclusively about live action.
@@Zoidd_Bergg You're not the one I'm accusing of thinking that way. My first post basically points out that animated films shouldn't be ignored when saying "out of all the batman movies".
You guys need to check out the deleted scene of Batman talking to the Joker...Gives you a good look of the Joker and a good inference of their relationship
The thing I liked about this version was that it was the first time we see the "world's greatest detective" actually do any sort of real detecting. Even with Bale's version, he used technology to resolve the clues into information.
Other thing I liked too was that Alfred also got into it. He's always been portrayed like just a butler in the movies, but in the comics he's a retired badass spy. Too bad his comment about working in the circus may fly over general audiences head.
Hey Simone just to give you some perspective on Catwoman. Generally speaking, Catwoman is not a zany character in the comics. She's a jewel thief that has a flirtatious relationship with Batman and sometimes helps him out. Michelle Pfeiffer's catwoman was entirely a creation of Tim Burton because he wanted all the villains to have gothic zaniness. Zoe Kravitz is basically the comic book version come to life.
Kravitz is a good actress and certainly pretty but somehow i'm not sold on her as catwoman. I can enhoy the movie with her as catwoman but something feels off about her interpretation.
@@carlossaraiva8213 its probably because in the comics batman is really the only person you could say she's close with while in this movie she had annika. That and shes still working on the mask.
@@carlossaraiva8213 I think it's the mask, that's the only thing about her appearance I don't like. I feel the similar about the batsuit, I don't love the mask. I don't Hate it, but don't love it.(I can live with this mask if he gets a proper wing cape, though, the flying squirrel needs to go) Hope both their masks improve by the next film.
I love how even though we got Riddler, Catwoman, and Penguin all in one movie. It didn't feel cluttered and it felt like everyone got the appropriate amount of screentime needed for their character. It really brings the city of Gotham to life and it truly felt like a origin story for each other these characters. It felt like a taste of what they will become in future movies and makes me even more excited for the sequels !
Not to mention they set them up so well for the trilogy that they don't really need to set up origins arc for people to kmow their personalities and what their about, given how well they were portrayed already in this one.
Many claim that the reason Spider-Man 3 & Amazing Spider-Man 2 were bad was b/c they had too many villains. Not realizing that lots of revered Batman movies also feature multiple villains.
I totally agree I loved this movie so much it’s tone atmosphere it’s direction Iam not an avid comic book reader but Batman’s has always been one of my favorites back to the animated series I can’t wait for the sequel and the penguin show I was sold once I saw the teaser it’s everything rob and Matt said it was going to be I agree that the dark knight is easier pill to swallow so to speak but this has to the best Batman film so far in my opinion!
This movie was LITERALLY a comic book on film... Any fan of the comic will watch this feeling like they just literally read an intense storyline from the comic.... The pacing, the way scenes were setup, no frills just straight to the heart of the plot, EXACTLY like the comic book
@@A_Planner_and_a_Dreamer I would say things like Batman Ego, The Long Halloween and Zero Year had bigger influence then Year One. Also Miller never wrote Year Two.
Ben Aflleck's Batman did not fight in the club. It was Christian Bale in the Dark Knight, when he went after the crime boss, Maroni. Affleck took out criminals in a building where they were holding Martha Kent hostage.
That entire gang initiation, including the beatdown, right up to the victim being afraid of Batman, feels SO much like comic book storytelling to me, and I love it. You don't need dialogue to understand EXACTLY what's happening with the initiation...it's like the best sequential art, where they can drop all the text boxes and word balloons, and just let the panel art tell the story. It feels like something I would've seen in Detective Comics in the 80s. It's almost indescribable, how much this movie feels like so many Batman comics I've loved, from the stuff I read growing up in the 80s and 90s, to 21st century classics like The Long Halloween and Hush. Being a detective movie has a lot to do with that. Adapted to the screen with inspiration from so many of my favorite films...Rear Window, Halloween, SE7EN, Chinatown, Taxi Driver, The French Connection, on and on. And I've ALWAYS wanted to see Riddler in the style of the Zodiac killer. Matt Reeves is a genius. He found a way to make a Batman comic that's alive.
I love how they did the shots in this movie it’s sooo good. & Batman and Catwoman had good chemistry & the story was great. Very Seven feel liked it lot
Yeah I loved how parts of it almost feel like a horror movie, and that we're seeing a young Batman that doesn't have everything figured out and making mistakes, and also very much still suffering from his loss and the trauma of the event. It just occurred to me just how much that would mess a kid up, and surprisingly not create a Dexter-like character
This might be my favorite batman. I really liked how he was a detective in this one much more than in the other renditions. I also liked the voice over, making it feel very much like a classic noir movie.
I like the Batmobile backstory for this version; it also works for the design. I believe it was remodeled by Bruce when he was a teenager or younger. And that it was his dad’s car.
I believe there was one alternate timeline where it’s revealed that all of the super villains Batman faces are actually paid actors working for Alfred who is the de facto kingpin of crime Who arranges everything as a show to help Batman deal with his grief regardless of the consequences and collateral damage The villains do playing in their roles.
I think it’s one of the stories in Neil Gaiman’s Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader. But in that iteration, Alfred needed to create a “Moriarty to Batman’s Sherlock Holmes,” but since he couldn’t trust anyone else in that role, Alfred himself became the Joker. It’s one of the cooler ideas in that story.
I like the one comic in which Bruce Wayne is shot and killed outside the theater. Thomas Wayne in his grief becomes Batman to save the city and Marta Wayne becomes The Joker to burn it all down.
I also got the "Se7en" vibes with how they conducted this. It was great to see them showcase Batman's detective skills as well as his martial arts skills. This was a good movie on multiple levels.
Something I didn’t catch the first time watching was the two last scenes in the film. Riddler and Jokers conversation at Arkham. Joker quotes a riddle, “the less of them you have, the more one is worth". Riddler answers, “a friend”. Right after this scene is Batman and Selina’s conversation. You can see that Batman struggles with decided whether to leave with Selina or stay in Gotham. Riddler finds a friend for Gothams destruction. Batman loses a friend for Gothams restoration. I could be reading into this too much lol but I thought it was interesting.
The first thing that popped into my head when the end credits started was....Oh ok now I know what a superhero version of Se7en would look like... Batman/Gordon= Mills/Somerset Riddler= John Doe just look at how similar their apartments look. it'd be interesting to screen them side by side to see more similarities.
It's kind of amazing that they only had a quarter of the movie shot, when they cut the teaser trailer, because it hits so many great beats, in addition to really establishing the tone.
The scene where the gun fire was the lighting is actually something director Matt Reeves did before in the third Planet of the Apes trilogy film "War For The Planet Of The Apes". Only he did a lot more with the scene in The Batman than he did in WftPotA.
Fantastic reaction - Simone was obviously terrified at times, and George was both shocked and really invested in the story... And its a fantastic movie :)
I think there's a timeline where Alfred is actually The Joker, as well as one where Bruce is the one killed in the alleway and his father becomes Batman and his mother goes crazy and turns into The Joker. Great reaction as always, guys!
That's Flashpoint There's also the timeline where Batman went back in time to save his parents... and young Bruce decided to be just like that guy when he grows up
In this Batman, they decided to go with Bruce Wayne being more of a Kurt Cobain type figure, which is why they used the music. Kurt Cobain struggled his entire life with addiction. Not wanting to be famous. Dealing with his inner demons. This is very much Bruce Wayne, who is dealing with this need for revenge, not wanting his family mantle that’s been thrust upon him, and dealing with it. Trying to overcome it. It’s a very raw take of the Batman story
I love how this was like a rookie batman he's not in peak form he takes hits and he still not trying to figure out what and who's batman supposed to be ..love yalls reactions keep the content going!
If you haven't already, be sure to watch the deleted scene between Batman and the Joker that happened earlier in the film. Also, if you want to see Paul Dano in another amazing freaky performance, you really need to watch 'Prisoners' directed by Denis Villeneuve and starring Hugh Jackman and Jake Gyllenhall. Amazing film with amazing performances all around. Really dark crime thriller and my favorite Hugh Jackman performance ever.
I know the thumbnail is probably supposed to be Simone cosplaying as The Riddler, but all I can hear her saying is, "Yeeeeah.....I'm gonna need you to go ahead and put the new cover sheets on your T.P.S. reports, mmmmkay? That'd be great....."
This movie is so well done. It's complex and multilayered, it has satisfying and effective twists along the story, it's an intimate and human story about a troubled character, and has some powerful themes and philosophical questions along the way. It's well paced, exceptionally shot, and a great story all around. One of the best Batman movies ever made
I very much enjoyed it. I liked the fact that it was Batman at year 2. He's very much consumed with the idea of revenge and he's completely neglecting Bruce Wayne. This is a major mistake that an inexperienced Batman would make. He doesn't see the value in Bruce Wayne. In the war for Gotham's soul, you need that second front that only Bruce Wayne can open up. He does philanthropy work, he makes investments in the city's infrastructure, he runs dozens of different charities and he is the single biggest employer in the entire city with Wayne Enterprises. Batman inspires fear and Bruce Wayne inspires hope. You need both to save Gotham.
Matt released a deleted scene with Batman and the Joker. I highly recommend checking that out. But that is Berry Keoghan playing him. Berry is also in the Eternals. Great video guys!
For Batfleck, no nightclubs. He does brutally beat the living shit out of about 30 guys in a warehouse. One of the few good things about Batman v Superman.
I've been waiting for 40 years for a Batman movie like this one. I can't express how great it is to finally have a Batman movie where he doesn't murder anyone with guns and/or high explosives.
It takes a lot of work to do these reactions. Congrats on all the great work and it's very entertaining to follow your perspective on the movie. I really like this one, a solid writer/director is like a good singer/songwriter!
In the 60s, there was a brief storyline where Alfred became mutated and lost his mind, turning him into a villain called the Outsider. He was then cured and Batman and Robin decided not to tell him of his actions as the Outsider so he wouldn't feel guilty about things they didn't consider him responsible for. In the 50s, there was a story where Batman found out the mugger Joe Chill who killed his parents actually did it on the orders of a mobster named Lew Moxon who had a grudge against Thomas Wayne. Later this was removed from canon in order to keep the murder as a random crime. In more modern stories, Batman learns Lew Moxon had a grudge and thinks maybe Moxon hired Chill to kill the Waynes, but he later finds reason to believe this was a coincidence and Moxon was actually furious some mugger had gotten to Thomas first.
Glad y'all did this so soon. I actually rewatched it last night. I saw it in the theater and I was the only one in there.I know I exclaimed expletives loudly on a number of occasions, so I understand y'all's cringing and shock very well. Nicely done, as always.
There is a Batman storyline, where Alfred becomes the villain in order to help Bruce play through his vigilante aspect to work through his trauma., not Evil per say. But yes, becomes the badguy.
This movie earns all the “artsy” or “cartoony” moments. It even earns close to every one of the 176 minutes in run time. I do feel like there was a weird tone shift around the BASE jump scene. Major comedy moments kept hitting where previously there were none that stood out.
Really enjoyed the more younger less finessed Batman making mistakes, and more of the detective working he did. Robert did a great job, as a younger still reeling Bruce Wayne who's not super interested in holding up his Wayne facade outside of his vigilantism(which makes sense since he's talking about being Vengance, still very focused in one direction only). And Paul Dano was fantastic as a more psychotic Riddler. And that prosthetic on Colin Farrell made me forget it was him, also due to his acting ofc. Wonderful dark atmosphere as well. Not so sold on Catwoman, I think it's more due to the directing of the actress. That's me though. Overall. Great movie, and am excited for the next one.
Love this movie. I dont remember who exactly but someone said you could argue this is the best “Batman” movie, cause the Dark Knight is a “Joker” movie and I 100% agree.
Alot of my comic nerd friends hate this version of Batman, Riddler and even Gordon. But I friggin love this. The realism, the noir and yes even Robert being so stiff and kinda "emo". It all fits.
Paul Dano is amazing. If you want to see a really great Paul Dano performance along with Daniel Day-Lewis, check out “There Will Be Blood” That movie is intense.
I agree with your assessment of Batman. From what I read, this movie is right at the beginning of Batman's journey. Like in the first two years. so it would make sense that he's still suffering and a bit broken. That's why seeing the little boy at the beginning was so painful for him....he was seeing his own story play out again. I also REALLY liked how QUIET Robert Pattinson made his version of Batman. It wasn't ridiculously over the top like Bale's Batman voice....but it made him even more intimidating.
This was the longest movie I saw in the theaters that didn't feel at all long, I wanted it to go on for even more it was so good. Big kudos to the director, editor, writers and actors for crafting such a good entertaining movie that took it's time to tell the story while also keeping good pacing.
Really? Even though I liked this movie a lot, about the time that Selina was trying to kill Falcone, I was feeling the length. “That’s what she said”, but seriously.
George is absolutely right. Batman/Bruce Wayne is way more interesting than other batmans. Every batman movie, the villian are always the spotlight but this is where he takes the spotlight in my opinion. Also the director said that this Bruce Wayne is inspired by kurt cobain for being a recluse individual who hates/didn't care the fame and being the billionaire playboy and also have the long mess up hair.
@@Tantalus010 ok then loosely base of kurt cobain. I'm talking about some similarities like them not liking the fame, being a recluse, having this addiction that can't let go. If they made Bruce Wayne a drug addict, the only people he'll beat up are are drug dealers so he can take all of what they have.
25:04 There actually is a timeline in which Alfred is the Joker. Specifically: he is ALL the villains. In this timeline Bruce turns out to be delusional and just imagining to be Batman. Alfred made up a number of characters as enemies in order to keep Bruce in his fantasy of being a hero. There is also a timeline where Alfred breaks Superman’s nose.
In the comic book The Dark Knight Returns, Batman himself addresses the exposure to his head, stating that extra armour it would require would be too obstructive and cumbersome, so that's part of the reason behind the often very bold (classic yellow & black) bat symbol on his chest. It draws the eye, and there's a psychology at play where criminals tend to take joy in destroying or defacing symbols, and his chest is far easier to armour.
There is kinda ommage-ish one shot "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?" by Neil Gaiman with pretty surreal, but fascinated narration. And one of the many things there - a little story, where Alfred dresses up like a Joker to give disturbed mind of Bruce an enemy and a purpose.
I went into this movie just looking to kill 3 hours while I was ill. I walked away from it thinking "Wow! This Riddler would have been at home in The Silence of the Lambs." Dude came off like a schizophrenic off his meds and it was legit frightening at times. I love them backing away somewhat from "Superhero Batman" and letting him just be "The World's Greatest Detective" tracking a serial killer.
As far as George mentioning an evil Alfred, back when DC was doing the New 52, there was a storyline called Forever Evil. An evil Justice League (The Crime Syndicate) from Earth 3 invaded Earth 1 and they had an evil Alfred called The Outsider, IIRC.
Yeah it's pretty much Peter Parker and Mary Jane, Superman and Louis Lane, Batman and Catwoman. They are indeed a thing. The 89 Batman was the only time I ever really saw Catwoman be that unhinged. She's usually played a master thief with a heart of gold, which she will usually sell for something more expensive.
I've seen people trying to compare the realism between Pat and Bale but I think it's not comparable. Bale used highly advanced military grade equipment meanwhile Pat seems to be using highly customized "civilian grade" equipment
To date, as far as I know, Alfred has always had Bruce Wayne’s back, being part father, conscience/ morality, confidant. He’s never been prorated as the bad guy unless Bruce Wayne has been the bad guy ( dark nights metal). Alfred was always ment to keep Wayne from jumping into the abyss, that’s why Bane almost got his back broken by Batman after Bane broke Alfred’s neck and it took 3 gun shots from Thomas Wayne to stop Bruce after beating the living hell out of Bane. But like you guys, if there’s any stories of Alfred being evil I’d like to know to
I don't know about any timeline where Alfred is evil. But in Batman: Imposter Bruce grew up without Alfred. Alfred left him, when he was still a kid. So, that's an interesting take, and you can see how the lack of Alfred changed Bruce's character and personality. Also, this comic is based on Robert Pattinson's Batman, so there's a lot of similarities aesthetically. Also, the art is really good. You guys should give it a shot.
Not enough people praise cinematography of this movie. It's so good! I love how they keep a lot of tension even without that much action and release it through some of the most magnificent shots in cinema
As a big lifelong fan of all the Batman comics and media, I can definitively say that this movie is the closest ANY of the live action films have come to the comics. The animated movies get it right pretty often, but the live action films have always fallen short. I have, for over 30 years, been repeatedly disappointed that the live action films have continually failed to really capture the spirit of what Batman is. I’ve had to just accept “this image” or “that interpretation”, fully knowing that general audiences have never gotten a good example of what Batman in the comics is really like. This is it. And I can finally be happy that there’s a good example to show people what the graphic novels actually depict.
Exactly. This is batman from the comics. Robert Pattinson’s batman is the first time I said to myself in my head that “ this is batman “. The others alway had something lacking. Robert Pattinson portrayed Bruce and batman perfectly like in yr one or in long Halloween etc or in Arkham origins
I'm still blown away by the prosthetic work done on Colin Farrell as The Penguin.
I’m still not convinced he wasn’t fired and replaced before production, and they just never told us. LoL
Such an amazing transformation.
Yeah, kept having to remind myself that was Colin.
It was so good of a transformation that I think people are overlooking it
I read he based the character after Fredo Corleone.
He wore the prosthetics to a Starbucks and waited a few hours to see if anyone would recognize him. Got some odd stares, but he left unnoticed.
It's such a small detail, but his fear when Batman reaches the ledge of the police building is so awesome.
I have to assume that's his first time doing it.
@@Trowa71 It is highly likely that’s the case. In this movie it’s his second year being the Batman.
@@A_Planner_and_a_Dreamer Yeah exactly. And it was my assumption that, up to this point, all he'd really came up against was petty criminals on the streets so the events of this film are probably quite character building for him lol, coming up against someone like The Riddler for the first time.
@@Tazza19931 he dealt with the joker a year earlier. Hence the joker gang and the deleted scene.
@@pinklefoo I'm well aware, but Matt Reeves also stated that Joker wasn't yet at a point where he's the same Joker we are used to. He doesn't even yet refer to himself as Joker. He's not as public, high profile or big of a deal as the Joker we know, so it's hard to know how much of a challenge he was for Batman when he first took him down. And was it confirmed that that gang belong to Joker? Most people seem to think that they're just random thugs wearing facepaint (because it was Halloween) as opposed to them being Joker goons, partly because of the reasons above.
The Batmobile reveal in the theater was incredible! It was the most menacing thing I’ve seen in a movie in a long time.
Probably the best Batmobile intro yet. I was surprised by Simone and George's lack of reaction to that scene.
@@TheGeocab night and day difference watching it in a dark theater with rumbling bass v. headphone in one ear
It's almost like Stephen King's Cristine.
The eye makeup isn't a fashion statement. It's to conceal the skin around Batman's eyes while he's wearing the mask, to make his appearance more frightening.
Also, I noticed he wears the contacts to give him a icy eye look. Like the blind.
Technically giving him the white eyes.
Also every Batman movie has used it but this is the first time they show it without the mask.
He may be the first Bruce Wayne to show and admit he wears eyeliner under the cowl. And I'm down with that.
Pattinson may be my favorite Batman, and I grew up with all of them. It's a strange realization.
@@RonJomero he's become mu favorite because his Bruce Wayne shows that Bruce Wayne is broken and maybe even nonexistent as an identity.
Something I live about Batman that a lot of people miss about him is that Bruce Wayne died in that alley with his parents. People don't like to acknowledge trauma in others, especially in children, even in fictitious comic book characters.
So Bruce's real face is the Batman and he puts on a public image of Bruce Wayne that is essentially a fabrication.
Haha yes, otherwise when he blinks would be white eye lids! Great choice to show it. Especially with the emo Bruce wayne.
I love this Batman film because it actually portrays Batman as a detective. At his core he's a detective. Most batman movies are action flicks but this one he's actually what he is on the big screen.
Not a perfect detective, but I like that. Plus, this is only his second year. He's still young.
It's not called DC for nothing, detective comics
@@nugget3687 facts.
A detective who only strikes in darkness when he has the upper hand and uses fear as a weapon.
*Matt Reeves drew heavy inspiration from a highly coveted story “The Long Halloween” In which Selena was the daughter of Falcone. Bruce’s opening monologue is from the same source. As well as Thomas Wayne performing surgery on Falcone. I highly recommend giving it a read. Reeves did an excellent job with this iteration. This is exactly everything I could ever want in a Batman film. And yes, Selena and Bruce have always had a thing for each other in the comics*
i hope harvey dent/two face will be in the sequel
@@metelineblue294 especially since there's a new position for the district attorney
I feel they read a lot of Batman: Year One as well
Not while ago i saw the long Halloween movie adaptation and i was glad that it had some things taken from it like the narration and selena being carmine daughter and the reference of thomas wayne performing surgery on carmine
@@metelineblue294 The next movie or at least the Penguin show is apparently during No Mans Land where Gotham is partially destroyed and all villains are trying to gain control. In that story line Two Face had a massive play.
I agree with George, nods to Seven, Zodiac and Chinatown. Batman's detective skills on full display. Fingers crossed an obscure Batman villain like Hush or Black Mask is featured for the next movie.
With the power vacuum this created Penguin vs Black Mask would be perfect. Also, with the corruption now being out in the open and the DA having gone up in smoke, the sequel is the perfect time to introduce Harvey Dent.
@@3Rayfire 🙌 I'd have Sent be an ally for all of part 2. Rushing him into Two-Face would be pulling tricks from Dark Knight and Reeves is better than that.
Black Mask vs Penguin with the emergence of a serial killer like Calendar Man would be 🤌
@@dnllrnt 💯%. Burton had it right having Dent be in the first Batman to bring him back later. I want to see him handled like in Batman The Animated Series, have him brought in establish his rage issues and mental health problems, but then change it up. Have him actually succeed in holding his rage in check and be an ally to the end. Then have him become Two Face in the third.
I just want a decent Two-Face ffs. Also you can make an Oscar worth drama line with Freeze and his wife story. Poison Ivy, Bane and other classic foes will still be great to refresh/ take a different look on
I'd use the word "ripoff", than "nod" or "homage". Minus, great villain and good pacing.
This Riddler is very much inspired by the Zodiac Killer, from the simular use of ciphers to how he looks like the composite sketch. Paul Dano was such a great choice. He's no stranger to characters who look innocent and vulnerable, but are harbouring such psychotic tendencies.
My favorite thing about Pattinson’s Batman is that he isn’t even at his peak, yet. He’s still trying to work out the kinks and fine-tune things. Even his crash in the wing-suit is something he’ll eventually work on.
At this point, he doesn’t see the benefit of what
“Bruce Wayne” can accomplish in the war on crime and corruption. But that interaction with the new Mayor, her trying to convince him to be a bit philanthropic is probably going to be a Segway into eventually becoming the billionaire-philanthropist.
This series of films is taking its time. I’m stoked that we’ll get to see him upgrade the suit, gadgets, the Batmobile, the Batcave.
I'd say he really isn't on his peak, going after the Catwoman instead of getting to the important witness he was planning on - and because of that the villains could kill her with no trouble whatsoever. =/
And yes, I also hate how in the Dark Knight Rises Selina's BFF just magically disappears half-way the movie and no-one seems to care despite she tried to protect Selina from Bruce after he found out Catwoman's identity.
Well it's twofold as Bella Real was telling him that taking up his family's philanthropic work could really have an impact, but because he hadn't been paying attention to anything, Renew had become a slush fund for the city's corruption. So Bruce Wayne become billionaire philanthropist Bruce Wayne is both the right thing to do as Bruce and a necessity to do as Batman.
Late to the party, but... Agreed. Him realizing that fear alone won't help the city and that he has to become more, and bring the people hope + his chat with Réal will push him to embrace Bruce Wyane and try to better the city through that as well.
I love how they filmed not only in Chicago again for certain shots of Gotham but also in the UK this time for that real old city vibe! Always love your reactions ... you two play extremely well off each other!
I love seeing the random Chicago shots! Honestly, the city (Chicago) can be iconic and anonymous at once. I love it.
I loved the shots of Liverpool. So good seeing all of that architecture.
I heard that "drops" came about because if they used a real street drug, or anything resembling a real street drug, the movie would have gotten an R rating. Was a clever way around that.
It's always so cool to see you guys genuinely impressed. It's not often that your reactions have silences this long.
Starfleet insignia wouldn't look out of place on Simone's pullover btw!
That was the first thing I thought as the video started, that looks like a starfleet uniform
Beat me to it! :)
In many ways, this was the most "batman" out of all the batman movies. Particularly, the look and feel of Gotham City. It just looks and feels dangerous. But, it also feels universal, like it could take place anytime. What I mean is that despite having modern technology and cars and clothing, it also has old-school buildings, police attire and vehicles. This makes the city look and feel unique and unlike other cities in the dc universe!
Mask of the Phantasm
@@jp3813 when someone says this is the most batman out of all the batman movies, they mean live action. If I see another person respond to a comment like this with ''Mask of the Phantasm'' I am going to slap the shit out of an orphan child.
@@Zoidd_Bergg Stewie Griffin: "Just 'cause it's an animation people think it's not legit."
@@jp3813 never said it isn't, nor did I say its bad. But when people are discussing the batman movies and which is the best portrayal, it's almost always exclusively about live action.
@@Zoidd_Bergg You're not the one I'm accusing of thinking that way. My first post basically points out that animated films shouldn't be ignored when saying "out of all the batman movies".
You guys need to check out the deleted scene of Batman talking to the Joker...Gives you a good look of the Joker and a good inference of their relationship
The thing I liked about this version was that it was the first time we see the "world's greatest detective" actually do any sort of real detecting. Even with Bale's version, he used technology to resolve the clues into information.
Other thing I liked too was that Alfred also got into it. He's always been portrayed like just a butler in the movies, but in the comics he's a retired badass spy. Too bad his comment about working in the circus may fly over general audiences head.
Hey Simone just to give you some perspective on Catwoman. Generally speaking, Catwoman is not a zany character in the comics. She's a jewel thief that has a flirtatious relationship with Batman and sometimes helps him out. Michelle Pfeiffer's catwoman was entirely a creation of Tim Burton because he wanted all the villains to have gothic zaniness. Zoe Kravitz is basically the comic book version come to life.
And let us not forget that in one of the DC Earths, Catwoman and Batman are married and they have a daughter who becomes The Huntress.
@@badhidingplace9558 Earth-Two Batman yeah
Kravitz is a good actress and certainly pretty but somehow i'm not sold on her as catwoman. I can enhoy the movie with her as catwoman but something feels off about her interpretation.
@@carlossaraiva8213 its probably because in the comics batman is really the only person you could say she's close with while in this movie she had annika. That and shes still working on the mask.
@@carlossaraiva8213 I think it's the mask, that's the only thing about her appearance I don't like.
I feel the similar about the batsuit, I don't love the mask. I don't Hate it, but don't love it.(I can live with this mask if he gets a proper wing cape, though, the flying squirrel needs to go)
Hope both their masks improve by the next film.
I love how even though we got Riddler, Catwoman, and Penguin all in one movie. It didn't feel cluttered and it felt like everyone got the appropriate amount of screentime needed for their character. It really brings the city of Gotham to life and it truly felt like a origin story for each other these characters. It felt like a taste of what they will become in future movies and makes me even more excited for the sequels !
Not to mention they set them up so well for the trilogy that they don't really need to set up origins arc for people to kmow their personalities and what their about, given how well they were portrayed already in this one.
Many claim that the reason Spider-Man 3 & Amazing Spider-Man 2 were bad was b/c they had too many villains. Not realizing that lots of revered Batman movies also feature multiple villains.
I totally agree I loved this movie so much it’s tone atmosphere it’s direction Iam not an avid comic book reader but Batman’s has always been one of my favorites back to the animated series I can’t wait for the sequel and the penguin show I was sold once I saw the teaser it’s everything rob and Matt said it was going to be I agree that the dark knight is easier pill to swallow so to speak but this has to the best Batman film so far in my opinion!
It was all connected too! Sure we didn't get a lot of Penguin, but I like what they're doing with him. Showing his rise in the criminal underworld.
Also because Reeves' got plans. Penguin's getting his own show, as well as Arkham Asylum.
This movie was LITERALLY a comic book on film... Any fan of the comic will watch this feeling like they just literally read an intense storyline from the comic.... The pacing, the way scenes were setup, no frills just straight to the heart of the plot, EXACTLY like the comic book
@@ThreadBomb It’s based on Frank Miller’s Batman: Year One and Year Two but not completely. The writing is very similar to those comics.
@@A_Planner_and_a_Dreamer I would say things like Batman Ego, The Long Halloween and Zero Year had bigger influence then Year One. Also Miller never wrote Year Two.
you Literally love the word 'literally'
@@A_Planner_and_a_Dreamer And very heavily based on Earth One, I believe.
I kept wondering when it would become a comic book movie. Maybe a little at the end.
Ben Aflleck's Batman did not fight in the club. It was Christian Bale in the Dark Knight, when he went after the crime boss, Maroni. Affleck took out criminals in a building where they were holding Martha Kent hostage.
The sound in this movie really made it worth watching it in the theater. When the batmobile first appeared the whole place was shaking.
That entire gang initiation, including the beatdown, right up to the victim being afraid of Batman, feels SO much like comic book storytelling to me, and I love it. You don't need dialogue to understand EXACTLY what's happening with the initiation...it's like the best sequential art, where they can drop all the text boxes and word balloons, and just let the panel art tell the story. It feels like something I would've seen in Detective Comics in the 80s. It's almost indescribable, how much this movie feels like so many Batman comics I've loved, from the stuff I read growing up in the 80s and 90s, to 21st century classics like The Long Halloween and Hush.
Being a detective movie has a lot to do with that. Adapted to the screen with inspiration from so many of my favorite films...Rear Window, Halloween, SE7EN, Chinatown, Taxi Driver, The French Connection, on and on. And I've ALWAYS wanted to see Riddler in the style of the Zodiac killer. Matt Reeves is a genius. He found a way to make a Batman comic that's alive.
I love how they did the shots in this movie it’s sooo good. & Batman and Catwoman had good chemistry & the story was great. Very Seven feel liked it lot
Yeah I loved how parts of it almost feel like a horror movie, and that we're seeing a young Batman that doesn't have everything figured out and making mistakes, and also very much still suffering from his loss and the trauma of the event. It just occurred to me just how much that would mess a kid up, and surprisingly not create a Dexter-like character
This might be my favorite batman. I really liked how he was a detective in this one much more than in the other renditions. I also liked the voice over, making it feel very much like a classic noir movie.
I like the Batmobile backstory for this version; it also works for the design. I believe it was remodeled by Bruce when he was a teenager or younger. And that it was his dad’s car.
It's cool, not the 89 one, but still cool.
I believe there was one alternate timeline where it’s revealed that all of the super villains Batman faces are actually paid actors working for Alfred who is the de facto kingpin of crime Who arranges everything as a show to help Batman deal with his grief regardless of the consequences and collateral damage The villains do playing in their roles.
I think it’s one of the stories in Neil Gaiman’s Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader. But in that iteration, Alfred needed to create a “Moriarty to Batman’s Sherlock Holmes,” but since he couldn’t trust anyone else in that role, Alfred himself became the Joker.
It’s one of the cooler ideas in that story.
I like the one comic in which Bruce Wayne is shot and killed outside the theater. Thomas Wayne in his grief becomes Batman to save the city and Marta Wayne becomes The Joker to burn it all down.
I also got the "Se7en" vibes with how they conducted this. It was great to see them showcase Batman's detective skills as well as his martial arts skills. This was a good movie on multiple levels.
Something I didn’t catch the first time watching was the two last scenes in the film.
Riddler and Jokers conversation at Arkham.
Joker quotes a riddle, “the less of them you have, the more one is worth". Riddler answers, “a friend”.
Right after this scene is Batman and Selina’s conversation. You can see that Batman struggles with decided whether to leave with Selina or stay in Gotham.
Riddler finds a friend for Gothams destruction.
Batman loses a friend for Gothams restoration.
I could be reading into this too much lol but I thought it was interesting.
The first thing that popped into my head when the end credits started was....Oh ok now I know what a superhero version of Se7en would look like...
Batman/Gordon= Mills/Somerset
Riddler= John Doe just look at how similar their apartments look.
it'd be interesting to screen them side by side to see more similarities.
It's kind of amazing that they only had a quarter of the movie shot, when they cut the teaser trailer, because it hits so many great beats, in addition to really establishing the tone.
This film features at least a cameo from all 4 of the main villains from the 1960s Batman the Movie: Riddler, Joker. Catwoman and Penguin
The scene where the gun fire was the lighting is actually something director Matt Reeves did before in the third Planet of the Apes trilogy film "War For The Planet Of The Apes". Only he did a lot more with the scene in The Batman than he did in WftPotA.
Paul dano was fantastic as the riddler. The whole cast was great I adore this film
Fantastic reaction - Simone was obviously terrified at times, and George was both shocked and really invested in the story...
And its a fantastic movie :)
George: "It's very.... Se7en."
I think you mean Noir. Definitely the most Film Noir of all the Batman movies so far.
I think there's a timeline where Alfred is actually The Joker, as well as one where Bruce is the one killed in the alleway and his father becomes Batman and his mother goes crazy and turns into The Joker. Great reaction as always, guys!
That's Flashpoint
There's also the timeline where Batman went back in time to save his parents... and young Bruce decided to be just like that guy when he grows up
I love the sound of his ominous boot steps as he’s walking towards the bad guys.
In this Batman, they decided to go with Bruce Wayne being more of a Kurt Cobain type figure, which is why they used the music. Kurt Cobain struggled his entire life with addiction. Not wanting to be famous. Dealing with his inner demons. This is very much Bruce Wayne, who is dealing with this need for revenge, not wanting his family mantle that’s been thrust upon him, and dealing with it. Trying to overcome it. It’s a very raw take of the Batman story
I love how this was like a rookie batman he's not in peak form he takes hits and he still not trying to figure out what and who's batman supposed to be ..love yalls reactions keep the content going!
If you haven't already, be sure to watch the deleted scene between Batman and the Joker that happened earlier in the film. Also, if you want to see Paul Dano in another amazing freaky performance, you really need to watch 'Prisoners' directed by Denis Villeneuve and starring Hugh Jackman and Jake Gyllenhall. Amazing film with amazing performances all around. Really dark crime thriller and my favorite Hugh Jackman performance ever.
@@ThreadBomb I really hope they rework the prosthetics, they were so obviously fake
I know the thumbnail is probably supposed to be Simone cosplaying as The Riddler, but all I can hear her saying is, "Yeeeeah.....I'm gonna need you to go ahead and put the new cover sheets on your T.P.S. reports, mmmmkay? That'd be great....."
This movie is so well done. It's complex and multilayered, it has satisfying and effective twists along the story, it's an intimate and human story about a troubled character, and has some powerful themes and philosophical questions along the way. It's well paced, exceptionally shot, and a great story all around. One of the best Batman movies ever made
This movie takes a lot of inspiration from Batman Year one and Year two which are some good books to check out.
Even the Long Halloween! 🎃🦇🐱
George crushing on Zoe Kravitz gave me a chuckle. She does look great here.
George: He's not coming out of a window...
Batman: Hold my batarang.
The Riddlers scheme gave me the OKC Bomber, UnaBomber and pizza heist bomb vibes amongst other notable crimes. This movie was a real treat
I very much enjoyed it. I liked the fact that it was Batman at year 2. He's very much consumed with the idea of revenge and he's completely neglecting Bruce Wayne. This is a major mistake that an inexperienced Batman would make. He doesn't see the value in Bruce Wayne. In the war for Gotham's soul, you need that second front that only Bruce Wayne can open up. He does philanthropy work, he makes investments in the city's infrastructure, he runs dozens of different charities and he is the single biggest employer in the entire city with Wayne Enterprises.
Batman inspires fear and Bruce Wayne inspires hope. You need both to save Gotham.
They did an exceptional job with the misdirection, leading the audience to assume The Riddler knew Batman's identity.
Right? Even I was fooled!
George, you have the best things to say at all the right times. So many bangers. I appreciate your guys' reactions
Been waiting for this one all week.
I love that you guys are just fans, too. LoL
This channel was definitely a big inspiration. Been a fan of these two and totally hooked since stumbling upon their Ghostbusters reaction.
Matt released a deleted scene with Batman and the Joker. I highly recommend checking that out. But that is Berry Keoghan playing him. Berry is also in the Eternals. Great video guys!
For Batfleck, no nightclubs. He does brutally beat the living shit out of about 30 guys in a warehouse. One of the few good things about Batman v Superman.
I've been waiting for 40 years for a Batman movie like this one. I can't express how great it is to finally have a Batman movie where he doesn't murder anyone with guns and/or high explosives.
I lost count how many people he killed on that highway chase
@@ElenasDad he killed? You mean Penguin right? Thats like saying cops kill the people that get fucked up during a car chase?!
It takes a lot of work to do these reactions. Congrats on all the great work and it's very entertaining to follow your perspective on the movie. I really like this one, a solid writer/director is like a good singer/songwriter!
In the 60s, there was a brief storyline where Alfred became mutated and lost his mind, turning him into a villain called the Outsider. He was then cured and Batman and Robin decided not to tell him of his actions as the Outsider so he wouldn't feel guilty about things they didn't consider him responsible for. In the 50s, there was a story where Batman found out the mugger Joe Chill who killed his parents actually did it on the orders of a mobster named Lew Moxon who had a grudge against Thomas Wayne. Later this was removed from canon in order to keep the murder as a random crime. In more modern stories, Batman learns Lew Moxon had a grudge and thinks maybe Moxon hired Chill to kill the Waynes, but he later finds reason to believe this was a coincidence and Moxon was actually furious some mugger had gotten to Thomas first.
Glad y'all did this so soon. I actually rewatched it last night. I saw it in the theater and I was the only one in there.I know I exclaimed expletives loudly on a number of occasions, so I understand y'all's cringing and shock very well. Nicely done, as always.
The Riddler has never been done so dark and gritty before. I didn't expect that either.
Though it's not exactly what I'd want to see in the comics, I still love this take on the Riddler.
So excited for you guys to react to this!!!
They filmed a lot of this on an LED soundstage. Looked so cool in the behind the scenes!
There is a Batman storyline, where Alfred becomes the villain in order to help Bruce play through his vigilante aspect to work through his trauma., not Evil per say. But yes, becomes the badguy.
This movie earns all the “artsy” or “cartoony” moments. It even earns close to every one of the 176 minutes in run time. I do feel like there was a weird tone shift around the BASE jump scene. Major comedy moments kept hitting where previously there were none that stood out.
This film was insanely good.
Really enjoyed the more younger less finessed Batman making mistakes, and more of the detective working he did.
Robert did a great job, as a younger still reeling Bruce Wayne who's not super interested in holding up his Wayne facade outside of his vigilantism(which makes sense since he's talking about being Vengance, still very focused in one direction only).
And Paul Dano was fantastic as a more psychotic Riddler. And that prosthetic on Colin Farrell made me forget it was him, also due to his acting ofc.
Wonderful dark atmosphere as well.
Not so sold on Catwoman, I think it's more due to the directing of the actress.
That's me though.
Overall. Great movie, and am excited for the next one.
omg your thumbnail image was INSPIRED!!! Also, 👍 for the ski-bi dibby dib yo da dub dub!
Love this movie. I dont remember who exactly but someone said you could argue this is the best “Batman” movie, cause the Dark Knight is a “Joker” movie and I 100% agree.
Alot of my comic nerd friends hate this version of Batman, Riddler and even Gordon.
But I friggin love this.
The realism, the noir and yes even Robert being so stiff and kinda "emo".
It all fits.
Paul Dano is amazing. If you want to see a really great Paul Dano performance along with Daniel Day-Lewis, check out “There Will Be Blood” That movie is intense.
I agree with your assessment of Batman. From what I read, this movie is right at the beginning of Batman's journey. Like in the first two years. so it would make sense that he's still suffering and a bit broken. That's why seeing the little boy at the beginning was so painful for him....he was seeing his own story play out again. I also REALLY liked how QUIET Robert Pattinson made his version of Batman. It wasn't ridiculously over the top like Bale's Batman voice....but it made him even more intimidating.
This was the longest movie I saw in the theaters that didn't feel at all long, I wanted it to go on for even more it was so good. Big kudos to the director, editor, writers and actors for crafting such a good entertaining movie that took it's time to tell the story while also keeping good pacing.
Really? Even though I liked this movie a lot, about the time that Selina was trying to kill Falcone, I was feeling the length. “That’s what she said”, but seriously.
@@MrAdamloring1985 yeah same, selina looking for falcone felt like the climax and i would have been fine with that, but then another hour went by
I love this version! Each time I watch it I love it even more. Robert Pattinson did a great job. I am looking forward to the sequels!
Did anybody else notice how the theme sounded like the imperial march from Star Wars?
Michael Giacchino worked SW Episode 7,8 and 9.
Ben Afleck fought a bunch of guys in a warehouse. It's an awesome scene. Amazing choreography.
when Batman looks up at the Bat signal at the beginning of the film is my favorite part ( I’m not sure why)
George is absolutely right. Batman/Bruce Wayne is way more interesting than other batmans. Every batman movie, the villian are always the spotlight but this is where he takes the spotlight in my opinion. Also the director said that this Bruce Wayne is inspired by kurt cobain for being a recluse individual who hates/didn't care the fame and being the billionaire playboy and also have the long mess up hair.
Yeah except Kurt Cobain was not a billionaire industry heir; he was a rocker with a drug problem. That's not Bruce Wayne.
@@Tantalus010 ok then loosely base of kurt cobain. I'm talking about some similarities like them not liking the fame, being a recluse, having this addiction that can't let go. If they made Bruce Wayne a drug addict, the only people he'll beat up are are drug dealers so he can take all of what they have.
i saw this on IMAX, it was quite awesome!
25:04 There actually is a timeline in which Alfred is the Joker. Specifically: he is ALL the villains. In this timeline Bruce turns out to be delusional and just imagining to be Batman. Alfred made up a number of characters as enemies in order to keep Bruce in his fantasy of being a hero.
There is also a timeline where Alfred breaks Superman’s nose.
That was a surreal one-off story by Neil Gaiman.
@@fynnthefox9078 oh, I didn’t even know it was by Neil Gaiman. Yet technically it is a timeline/universe.
I LOVED the 2000s Gothic aesthetic of this movie. I half expected it'd turn out that Batman was hunting down Jigsaw!
Your thumbnails are growing more powerful with each video.
I thought that Colin Farrell made a great Penguin. He is getting a spin-off series similar to Peacemaker from The Suicide Squad.
In the comic book The Dark Knight Returns, Batman himself addresses the exposure to his head, stating that extra armour it would require would be too obstructive and cumbersome, so that's part of the reason behind the often very bold (classic yellow & black) bat symbol on his chest. It draws the eye, and there's a psychology at play where criminals tend to take joy in destroying or defacing symbols, and his chest is far easier to armour.
There is kinda ommage-ish one shot "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?" by Neil Gaiman with pretty surreal, but fascinated narration. And one of the many things there - a little story, where Alfred dresses up like a Joker to give disturbed mind of Bruce an enemy and a purpose.
I went into this movie just looking to kill 3 hours while I was ill. I walked away from it thinking "Wow! This Riddler would have been at home in The Silence of the Lambs."
Dude came off like a schizophrenic off his meds and it was legit frightening at times. I love them backing away somewhat from "Superhero Batman" and letting him just be "The World's Greatest Detective" tracking a serial killer.
Not the world’s greatest detective yet, but getting there.
As far as George mentioning an evil Alfred, back when DC was doing the New 52, there was a storyline called Forever Evil. An evil Justice League (The Crime Syndicate) from Earth 3 invaded Earth 1 and they had an evil Alfred called The Outsider, IIRC.
Yeah it's pretty much Peter Parker and Mary Jane, Superman and Louis Lane, Batman and Catwoman. They are indeed a thing. The 89 Batman was the only time I ever really saw Catwoman be that unhinged. She's usually played a master thief with a heart of gold, which she will usually sell for something more expensive.
"on the scatman" danm.... I was 11 or 10 years old when that song came out lol. Thanks for the laugh and content was awesome
I used to try so hard to convince myself that I like older movies better. But lately, I've had a change of heart.
I've seen people trying to compare the realism between Pat and Bale but I think it's not comparable. Bale used highly advanced military grade equipment meanwhile Pat seems to be using highly customized "civilian grade" equipment
15:33 Indeed. And you missed commisioner Savage, played by the same guy who was the mining foreman in Chernobyl.
The commissioner is also on Chernobyl; He plays the head coal miner !
To date, as far as I know, Alfred has always had Bruce Wayne’s back, being part father, conscience/ morality, confidant. He’s never been prorated as the bad guy unless Bruce Wayne has been the bad guy ( dark nights metal). Alfred was always ment to keep Wayne from jumping into the abyss, that’s why Bane almost got his back broken by Batman after Bane broke Alfred’s neck and it took 3 gun shots from Thomas Wayne to stop Bruce after beating the living hell out of Bane.
But like you guys, if there’s any stories of Alfred being evil I’d like to know to
I don't know about any timeline where Alfred is evil. But in Batman: Imposter Bruce grew up without Alfred. Alfred left him, when he was still a kid.
So, that's an interesting take, and you can see how the lack of Alfred changed Bruce's character and personality. Also, this comic is based on Robert Pattinson's Batman, so there's a lot of similarities aesthetically. Also, the art is really good. You guys should give it a shot.
There is a timeline or alternate story where Alfred is actually the Joker, but it’s to keep Batman motivated.
Colin deserves an oscar for this performance.
Not enough people praise cinematography of this movie. It's so good! I love how they keep a lot of tension even without that much action and release it through some of the most magnificent shots in cinema
21:55 alfreds been gone thirty minutes and bruce is already spray painting the floor
The one thing I like is when the tea cup with the question mark is the sign that Gotham was going to be flooded
The actor who plays commissioner pete savage (2nd victim) was also on Chernobyl. He played a naked miner😊
As a big lifelong fan of all the Batman comics and media, I can definitively say that this movie is the closest ANY of the live action films have come to the comics. The animated movies get it right pretty often, but the live action films have always fallen short. I have, for over 30 years, been repeatedly disappointed that the live action films have continually failed to really capture the spirit of what Batman is. I’ve had to just accept “this image” or “that interpretation”, fully knowing that general audiences have never gotten a good example of what Batman in the comics is really like. This is it. And I can finally be happy that there’s a good example to show people what the graphic novels actually depict.
Exactly. This is batman from the comics. Robert Pattinson’s batman is the first time I said to myself in my head that “ this is batman “. The others alway had something lacking. Robert Pattinson portrayed Bruce and batman perfectly like in yr one or in long Halloween etc or in Arkham origins
i LOVE these realistic approaches to superhero movies
Strong Fincher vibes (seven and zodiac especially). So happy you noticed it.
The interrogation scene with riddler is the best scene in any Batman movie ever.