Yeah, I feel like rap somehow helps people stay open-minded. I might be dead wrong but listening to so many different rappers really helps you understand so many different perspectives and helps shape your opinions on things while also keeping you open. I mean just looking at SoundCloud for instance you have so many different people expressing their selves
I'm on the other side of this convo: I dislike it when men AND women rap vulgar, particularly when it comes to sexual activity. But I can acknowledge a bop when I hear one lmfao
Facts I mean I listen to some songs about sex by Too $hort & Lil Kim but their lyrics weren’t too generic & actual had more lyrical skill than wack ass Cardi B, Young Thug & etc.
why does it bother men so much when women willingly express their sexuality but when other men write lyrics that heavily sexualize women nobody says anything?
It's because they're intimidated/fear a loss of control, a woman expressing her standards sexually means these guys complaining can't get away with being mediocre and they actually have to think about a woman's sexual needs too; these types of guys can't understand sex being about equal pleasure rather than just being about their own.
Because "tHInK oF thE ChILDreN". You'll notice that the conversation wasnt about females owning their sexualities, it was about whether or not they were comfortable letting their little girls listen to it. Men don't care so much about sexualizing women because it seems a normal thing to do (and attraction is normal, dehumanization is not) but they do care about their daughters potential to sexualize themselves, knowing that it will open them up to a world of possible abuse. Its less "should women take ownership of their sexualities" and more "if women are publicly taking ownership of it, will my daughter too?" Its just another subconscious attempt to keep girls "pure" putting the ownness on them instead of checking other men for being gross. Its why so many men only start caring about sexism after having daughters. Some fight the system in support of feminism, and others low-key force their daughters to shrink away from womanhood with the excuse of protecting them.
i would like to think that most of the men who hated on it are also against men saying similar things, and if they didnt i dont think men think that rapping about that sort of thing is the ideal and therefor would disapprove women bringing themselves down to thier level. TO SUM IT UP: its not that women are moving up to the level of men its that women are lowering themselves to the level of men and why would you lower yourself?
Y’all its not that hard...just stop letting artists parent your kids instead of you Edit: Before you come at me crazy in the comments: Control is not the name of the game here. I’m not suggesting you “control” your kids. I’m suggesting the exact opposite. If you’re afraid of kids being influenced by this song, you should instill values in your kids that will allow them to understand it without having to act on it. Cardi is not responsible for censoring her music just because you don’t want to have these conversations with your kids. Edit: it’s been 3 months and people are still being purposefully obtuse😂my point isn’t that hard to comprehend
DAANG. HUGE Mic drop. This comment holds so much truth that I doubt it'll get popular because people don't like to face the truth. Kids are learning more from the internet and the streets as a whole than from their own freaking parents these days which is devastating for the future because of the number of parents that are like that.
Documentary called: *CHILDHOOD* *2.0* the dangers of social media. Needs to be seen by every single person on the planet. I cannot leave a link due to device I'm using but type that into TH-cam search. Trust me, you'll be glad you watched. Everybody💕
the way qveen herby let other people have their space to speak was amazing!! she was so attentive and open to hearing other perspectives!!! everyone was so respectful this video was definitely refreshing in a world with so much polarization!!!
Zaurkax14 not that we saw, but they definitely edit these videos!! i just thought it was beautiful that a successful, conventionally attractive white woman let the others have their space to speak. you could tell she was there to actively listen and i think that speaks more than actual words!!
@@taylorroberts7836 ew, didn't realise you're racist before... I don't think there was a reason at all to mention her skin color, if anything it's only the "success" part that should matter, but they're all basically compatibly successful and they all were very respectful, both white and black, men and women. Nobody ever interrupted anyone in a bad manner.
Zaurkax14 Zaurkax14 you sound upset 😂 skin color is just as relevant as gender when it comes to level of success, as was literally discussed in this video. i didn’t pull it out of my ass. maybe you should practice active listening like qveen did and talk a little less!! and the fact that you’re so booty tickled that i (and them) brought up race tells me all i need to know about you 🥰🥰 have a beautiful day
I personally don't agree with this. I think as a non-black hiphop artist, a lot of what she was saying she was learning through the conversation should have been things she already knew. I found that she didn't bring much to the conversation when it came to her own level of privilege and it was disappointing. Though I can appreciate her willingness to modify her opinion based on differing perspectives, it seemed like she almost relied on this conversation with other artists to educate her about her own place in the industry's hierarchy and I think that actually made her a bad example of allyship. The question also becomes, what is she going to do with this new knowledge?
@@briw1948 I will admit it was stuff that she should've definitely already known, however I think that it seemed like she was taking notes for additional knowledge. Despite this I still think that she should've added more to the argument and I 100% agree either everything you said
@@briw1948 I can't really follow you on that to be honest. Having privilege should not be some scarlett letter or some kind of moral "bad debt" you have to announce. Would it be nice for her or anyone to be well read or researched on matters of importance, yeah sure. The real truth is many people are not, and that goes for people in our communities, racial backgrounds, and cultural circles as well. I feel as long as you are respectful and willing to learn, your on the right foot. She may not have added much but she sort of addressed that and said she was just taking in the feedback. That's a valuable part of discussions as well in my opinion. You can threw your two cents but it's perfectly fine to just be quiet and listen if you can't speak on it intelligently. Many non allies don't do that or talk some nonsense when they dont know what they are talking about.
I personally think it's goofy. She contributed no real thought to the discussion. Kind of seemed as if she was scared to offer opinions that might put her in a bad light, so bringing in people of different backgrounds loses its meaning when you feel like you're walking on eggshells. Diversity doesn't end with race/ethnicity. I also think her mentality of what rap is, is archaic. Rap is undoubtedly and very clearly a black dominant genre and it always will be. There's a lot of cultural ties of black culture and hip hop/rap culture, BUT the genre itself is not black. Music is a form of expression, so gatekeeping shouldn't be a thing.
I can’t be the only one who doesn’t understand all this wap discourse. Like, it’s a rap song about sex. It doesn’t have to have some sort of empowering message behind it. If you feel empowered by it, great! If you feel degraded by it, don’t listen to it! In the end, it ain’t that deep.
exactly, sometimes we just want to listen to music period - women rapping or singing about sex is fine and doesn’t need to have an empowering message to be of substance
Agreed I am not a fan of Justin Bieber would I click on his music video and listen to the song and say this is horrible music NO same thing with WAP you dont like it why click on it.
"i hate when female rappers over sexualize themselves" wheres the hate for male rappers who over sexualize other WOMEN??? why cant a girl be confident in herself and her sexuality, and make music about it?
Yeah but they use it as a crutch a lot of the time. I don't have a problem with woman sexualising themselves, but the industry uses their sexuality to sell them to young boys. We act as if it's some super liberating thing, but a lot of the time it's not. It's a tactic to get plays, because the majority of the hip hop demographic doesn't care about female artists that don't rap about those things. Also, don't put words in people's mouths, I bet almost everyone who says I hate when woman oversexualise themselves also hate when men over sexualise women (myself included)
also wtf even is sexualizing? there’s no such thing as sexualizing. men or people in general just won’t accept that women are sexual beings and enjoy sex just as much as everyone else. every human being is a sexual being. Sexuality is a part of us and should be embraced and not made into a taboo or into something dirty an filthy
Neta S i’m quite aware of the patriarchy i’m a strong feminist and i get what u mean. but i think u have to separate here. men degrading women IS because they think they’re not allowed to be sexual. they think if a woman is sexual then she’s automatically nothing else and an object for pleasure only (not all men of course).I was coming from the point of view of women. Women can’t sexualize themselves. They just are sexual beings. I don’t think any women claims to be an object for sexual pleasure. But it’s men who think that if she shows any form of sexual behavior. I hope u get what i mean haha
I disagree with some of her points, she says she wants her girls to own their sexulaity but why should young girls be sexualized at such a young age I'm not saying how to parent but that's something most people disagree with. And tell point where she says Men are mad that it exists is kinda false, it's not just Men it's also Women, they have children that look up to these people and I get that we shouldn't force them to take responsibility for it but why should we let girls sexualized themselves at a young age?
Is WAP empowering? No, not to me. But it might be to other people and that’s fine. Cardi B never claimed to be a role model. She doesn’t have the responsibility of trying to be one.
exactly I agree totally she herself said if people have such an issue with the way the song blew up they should go support the other really dope female artists who are more sensibly lyrical like Remy Ma Teyanna Taylor etc
No problem with WAP... the problem is the inability of (social) media, the internet, particularly TikTok to be accountable and utilize content ratings (like we have for TV, Film, and Video) to censor content by age appropriateness. It is absolutely not okay to walk into my 9yr old daughters room while she's playing (uncensored) WAP while humping the ground and filming herself for TikTok views. And yes, we've had many previous conversations and will continue too; but our media culture can absolutely overwhelm society at times. Many of the same people celebrating WAP turned around the next month and were dead silent about Netflix's Cuties - which was directly calling out the toxicity within the TikTok community that nobody wants to talk about.
@@theoutkasts8720 Neither gender is necessarily “wrong”. Both parties are entitled to freedom of expression and freedom of speech regardless. Nobody is interested in what’s “right” because morality is subjective. They’re just entertainers. Their only obligation is to sell.
@@TheMorganVEVO The whole reason everyone got pissed at this song was because people started talking about how it was empowering to hear someone talk about how wet there pussy is imagine if every time lil tecca or lil pump released a song men started to call it empowering to listen to a guy talk about how much woman he fucked or how hard his dick was or how much drugs he intakes its not empowering its just promoting a unhealthy lifestyle its fine to like the music but what could you possibly find empowering by a song like this?
@@amazinggamingbro947 1.) it wouldn’t be “empowering” for men because they’re already in power. So, that hypothetical argument doesn’t really work. 2.) sex (with women) is already a basic standard of masculinity/manhood. That’s partially why the music industry sells that fantasy so much. So, actually calling it empowering would simply be redundant for most men. 3.) many women, on the other hand, feel more empowered by sexual expressions like this because it was historically denied to us [by men]. We didn’t have the same privilege to openly express ourselves in a sexual sense or even allude to our bodies free of any social ramifications or stigma. So, this has sentimental and social value regardless of its artistic value. You can’t compare men’s experience with art to women’s because our realities aren’t the same. If you don’t understand, then just say that. It’s not for everyone to agree with. But you can’t argue with someone’s feelings. If they feel empowered by the song because of its subversive nature, then that’s their experience. 🤷🏽♀️
“why can’t I tell my young girls that owning their sexuality is powerful? Why can’t we have someone telling us that so we know to own it before someone else is taking it from us” Damn. Edit: “my young girls” is a colloquialism for “my daughters”. It’s a parents’ job to teach their kids about sex so she’s talking about including more complex parts of it in that education. That’s better than letting a misogynistic society teach young girls those things. She’s not talking about ‘cuties’ type of stuff.
@Don’t Need one being a powerful woman is different for every woman. You can't just say what's your definition, which is by the way based on your subjective experience, and invalidate other women's voices. I like being outspoken and unapologetic about my sexual desires and feel powerful about it.
Don’t Need one Based on this and other comments it sounds like you aren’t understanding the huge difference between men/society over-sexualizing women without their consent and women embracing their sexuality in whatever form that looks like. Nobody is telling women they need to be promiscuous, in fact, understanding your value and what you deserve sexually (a person who also cares about your pleasure and respects you) discourages women from sleeping with just any guy and encourages us to not settle for someone who doesn’t value our sexual experience. Also, there can be many avenues in empowering women, nobody is saying female empowerment exclusively comes from owning sexuality. However in the realm of sexuality, an area in which women are often objectified, expressing your desires and reinforcing your sexual experience as a person, not as an object for a man’s pleasure, **is** powerful. I strongly agree with the other forms of female empowerment you brought up, but I’ve found a lot of inner confidence in viewing my sexuality and desires as valid rather than shameful and don’t think sexual empowerment should quickly be dismissed as “encouraging promiscuity”.
I personally don’t like the WAP song it makes me feel uncomfortable. However my best friend loves the song and it makes her happy and want to dance. There is nothing wrong with either perspective. A song doesn’t have to appeal to everyone for it to be “acceptable”. I’m confused why we keep having this discussion 🙃🙂
People act like WAP is a no skip ad that comes up every time on their phone. You either like it or you don’t, I don’t see anyone having arguments about Chris Brown’s songs.
It’s kinda super annoying that women talking about sex is being put on the same level as killing, or taking A class drugs that could put your life at risk.
The Rick Ross line that Pinqy Ring was referring to was “I put molly up in her champagne, she ain’t even know it. I took her home and I enjoyed that, she ain’t even know it”. SMH 🤢
Cardi B makes music for adults. It's not her fault that parents are letting their kids listen to her. I'm not saying it's bad or good or neutral that they listen to her but the argument that she makes music for younger girls is just incorrect.
Exactly, people automatically assume that all music is for kids and it's like no, it's not. There is music made for kids, and there is music made for adults; perod.
Instead of equalizing men and women by making women's songs more sexual have we considered making men's songs less sexualized? Just a thought and my vote for how to even the scales.
i mean if you want to make a sexual song go for it but you know your audience so don’t hate the push back from upset people. no kid should be listening to WAP, that’s not empowering them, they don’t understand it like that.
Women and men are not the same. Perhaps Thats why . the way men and women view sex and sexuality is completely different. You see men dont sexualize or objectify women for experession or liberation, men do it because they are biologically hardwired to do so and there is research that shows that. Women do it force expression and sexual liberation. But hey...it does not bother me personally, women can rap about sexuality and expressing their sexuality as much as they want. It Dont bother me.
@@RetRo0._.jebE06 That reflection doesnt amount to anything if your conclusion each time means that you own your body and your sexuality and will protect it
It's not just black and brown kids from poor areas raised by single parents that look at Drake as a role model, it's white kids from the suburbs too...saying this as someone who grew up in the suburbs I speak of.
chioma plus there are white kids from the suburbs that have single parents too. I lived in e suburbs until my parents divorced. In fact, most white people I know are divorced, but that ignorant guy implied that he thinks only quote on quote "black and brown kids" are raised by single parents and that it's a bad thing. Even though single parents are badass!
@@terrasaidit what I never said I was her stan?? that’s just the full wording that is used. mlk walked so Obama can run and Obama ran so children can fly
It is very easy. Example: I feel empowered singing on stage, while it's my friends' worst nightmare. Therefore, one woman can feel empowered listening to the WAP song, and another woman can not. It's a matter of opinion of an individual.
No ones talking about Neelam, Pinqy Ring, and Brandie Blaze.. they were freaking amazing and I loved how they each articulated their thoughts coming from their own perspectives and experiences. Come on y’all, give our POC female rappers some love and recognition
yall act like yall wasn't listening to "bump n grind" by r. kelly and "pony" by Ginuwine yet have a problem with wap- edit: since everyone keeps reminding me about the mistake I didn't even realize I had but my point still stands lol
I think the point people make is yes men do it too, but 80% of known female rappers only talk about pussy sex and their body while with men it’s basically only in sex songs or in a line or 2 of a normal song
@@taylor6769 ye but real songs that have meaning arent as mainstream as songs like WAP. Artists that spit real things like NF and Tory Lanez dont get airplay
i think because men talk about women’s bodies but female rapper talk about their own bodies while being half naked. and i’m not saying that’s a problem but i think that’s why male rappers lyrics are more overlooked
This episode is TERRIFIC. Great questions, awesome discussions. Rappers are wordsmiths and messengers, and these cats really demonstrated that! I knew about Neelam and Ruslan, I wanna check out some of the others too. Thanks Jubilee 😌🙏🏿
@@SamadSaVage woahh man you were great in this interview! You made me actually search about your music and I'm not complaining at all, which is very rare for me cause I don't listen to rap often. Keep doing the great work! ♥
They probably subconsciously taught you that your body is the only thing you value and therefor you see stripping as your only option to make something of yourself. Nice
Sebby Warcraft And by “They” you mean the patriarchy right? Because I know those talented women did not once encourage me that my body is my only valuable asset.
@@sebbywarcraft3398 I'm sure this person is aware that there are other means to make money. The "drop-out stripper" jokes are old af, and it's just that: a joke.
Jasmine Lopez Maybe a fee hundred years from now patriarchy existed and men had complete autonomy over women but that’s no longer the case. Yet you still find women sexaulizing themselves and nothing else
Rhapsody is really underrated and overlooked, I discovered her when I was listening to Complexion by Kendrick Lamar and she featured and it took me a few listens to realize this featured artist has bars.
Which goes into what Cardi B said herself people don't bump and or talk about The Rhapsody's they get into their pocket and really don't tell people anything they're listening to like that. 20 years ago you know what's people's vibing to since that's what they're bumping on the boombox on the porch. The people everybody wanna listen to are out here yet nobody's really giving out flowers unless you start looking.
The same culture that was totally fine with males rapping about date rape in songs like UOENO is complaining about women rapping about their own genitalia. Lmaoo credibility: revoked.
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Right go listen to kids bop... and the think abt drake, do you really think that drake is going to play his songs on the radio with his child present. Even cardi b I think there’s a video on yt where she say to turn of WAP since her child came into the room...
@star luv I’m not even a woman, but it’s impossible to do that children even need devices for school so it’s inevitable to escape them, but we need to make it safer
@@andrewfortmusic i don't like it from men but from women it's fine because it's their body and they should be allowed to feel good about it and should be allowed to be confident rapping about it, just like men do with their dicks
@Jxm Ksg not really. Go listen to some of the rap they’re producing today. It’s all full of drugs and sex and gangs and there’s nothing wrong with that, but when a female artist like cardi comes up with song like wap, so many people start to bash her for it.
I think that is mostly due to the difference in musical structure of rap music, with more emphasis placed on the words of the song than the other parts. rap is more of poetry set to a beat whereas other genres of music are made of choruses, melodies, harmonies, etc.
The short answer is yes and no. Every woman is different. If a woman felt “empowered” in an emotional or spiritual sense, then she’ll like the song. 🤷🏽♀️ REAL empowerment in any other sense under capitalism is basically impossible. So we might as well enjoy the art for what it is: a product. In any case, a sexually graphic or explicit song doesn’t necessarily have to be “empowering” for women to like it. We have nothing to prove or to defend. Men don’t call every other song empowering just to defend listening to it. If you simply like the song or you like the rappers, then nobody has a right to make you feel bad about it (especially men). 😂 Everything doesn’t have to be political.
@Alex I see. In that sense, then the song is absolutely empowering to you because the subject matter was denied to you for so long. I grew up Catholic as well, but my mom wasn’t suppressive towards me. So, for me, the song is no different from anything else I listened to growing up. It’s just funny to me. The debate only started when people started calling it feminist and other people started calling it harmful. It’s neither of those things to me. It’s just about fun and light-heartedness. It’s just dance music. I swear, politics ruins everything these days. We should be beyond this in 2020. But the drama and controversy just proves that we still aren’t quite there yet in terms of gender and sexual expression.
@Alex Ohh. I’m 24. You’ll most likely grow out of your tension with your mom. Time and distance will help you become more comfortable being different from her expectations or standards. Basically, the longer you stay true to yourself without being around your parents and adjusting to their standards every day, the stronger your sense of self will become. Once you’re outside of your shell for so long, you won’t go fit inside it. So, your parents will have no choice but to accept you or ignore you. Lol.
@Alex That sounds like a situation where you would be tempted to go from one extreme to another, when you'd probably feel best somewhere in between. I'd recommend therapy.
@@egendary6811 Right, because one song that doesn't get talked about means that men haven't denounced the oversexualization of females in the rap game. Get that out of my face bruh
Wap isn't my kinda music but there's absolutely nothing wrong with a woman choosing to portray herself sexually. Can we just let artists be creative in their way? We don't have to love everything they do, we just need to stop policing something that isn't hurting anyone!
This topic baffles me so much. 1 song about women expressing their sexual prowess vs a million male artists singing "beating the pu**y up". Like actually type that into Genius and see how many songs pop up, you'll be scrolling for Hours!!!
@@xplays7992 Men sexualize a woman's body in their songs and objectify in a way that's degrading them but in WAP they were referring to the sexualization of their own bodies and empowering THEMSELVES. I don't understand why men just don't understand that...
Why is this song getting so much damn attention? People are acting like this is the first time in history that a women sung a sexual song. Do y'all not remember "My Neck, My Back" by Khia? ...and that song was nearly 20 years ago.
Sure, it's about a song, who is not even claimed for adults on youtube so kids will just look at it and act like it's a beautiful normal song and they will copy the same behaviour. It's just a song, until you can see your 12/13 daughter acting like that or dancing like that infront of her male friends, yeah, just a song
@@InnerEagle lol that only happens if that daughter doesn’t get her morals set straight by her parents. Of course if her parents aren’t around she would get easily influenced by the behavior in a music video.
@Cher rachia Vinson Writing it it's something, the graphic showed is another. I mean, I don't mind it how's made, but for example, I was watching it, and my mother came to ask me something and saw the part where the was doing the split (im not joking, im 33 and italian, long story), she looked at me like if it was porn, how could I explain it was just music? I mean, give me the name of a music video song which is comparable to wap, and that means, with same quality of graphics shown, im here to see that
Brandie Blaze was dropping bangers on their head tops. Especially the part of Black plus size entertainers only being “Sassy Asexual people”, definitely eye opening.
@@user-fj4xd7hn7k it's like saying "the blacks" instead of "black people". they both look the same, but one sounds way way more appropriate. not sure if the analogy makes total sense, but that how i think of it.
This was a super fun and profound conversation for me. grateful for the new friends I made. Thanks so much for having me Jubilee! hoping this pushes people towards empathy 👍😀
The reason why this is female empowerment is because women have ALWAYS be told to hush and not talk about anything sexual/or express yourself sexually/be sexual We can't express our sexuality and when we do then it's a huge problem but when a man does it's "a man being a man" So I see WAP as a song about two women taking back that power that society has always had over our sexuality.
The background music say their is whore in this house,how is calling yourself a whore isn’t women empowerment.The whole video was basically saying that women or sex object and vagina is the best thing every .Thats whore empowerment.
eddie spaghetti someone can do sum just because they want to without the intention of it being “empowering” IF that’s how other ppl see it then that’s on them, but if it’s not their intention, then people can’t be mad if it’s not “empowering” others as THEY think it should
I think people fail to realize Cardi never said “oh WAP is a song for feminists and all the females should be empowered by me and Meg song.” No, she never said that. Though many people are, it’s a controversial statement and it for sure has stirred up the pot. I know many people who agree, and many people who disagree. And to the people who say “when you listen to WAP, you’re putting that knowledge into your head and promoting it on yourself”, many people I know including myself have grown up listening to violent music. None have ever went out and committed a violent crime. Or a crime in general. More people need to understand this.
Men rapping about women literally owning them sex. Everyone: Women rapping about owning their sexuality and being confident. Everyone: This is scandalous.
@@angadgill91 I hear ya, I think this "feminist anthem" question boils down to the different ways people interpret feminism. For some people in this context it means ownership over one's own sexuality, for others it means agency beyond one's sexuality, so I don't think there's a solid right or wrong opinion on whether this song is an anthem either way
Female empowerment should truly start in the mind, your self-esteem, views of other women and exceeding ability should be focused on. Yes I can be confident in my body and be comfortable in my own skin but I don't need to expose myself sexually to know that and tell others the same thing. Women are already powerful and being empowered is showing the character and value of women from oppression in society. Not just about the clothes they wear but the belief that continuing this, empowers women but really just degrades their worth outside of the true integrity they have.
Here's the thing: just because a girl did something you wouldn't want your mother/sister/daughter doing or that you wouldn't do, doesn't mean that she doesn't have the right to do it. Not everything a woman does has to be for the sake of other women. It can just be for herself. Men aren't grilled half as much in rap videos for their depictions of masculinity; why should women always have to be judged by the standards of what benefits feminism? You go crazy trying to live your life that way. Just let people be people.
Exactly. The point of feminism is to let women have the choice to do what they want. Like if they want to be an object, let them be an object, if they don't, don't make them be an object.
@@aspecificafricanyamdish5271 the song can be just for fun but it also can be a way to empower a woman to be comfortable in there body and their sexuality. Woman could be an amazing role models in politics but that doesn’t mean they should pretend there sexual life doesn’t exist for the sake of being “professional”. That’s why some ppl take comfort in this song... it’s sorta like how guys say “big duck energy” now is woman can say “wap energy” 😉
@@applefarm6126 what???🤨 when did I say to talk about sex at work????? I’m not going to re -explain what u just said cuz u completely took what I said out of context
right...one thing i have noticed is alot of people always refer to men as men or guys as guys or boys as boys but when it comes to women and girls they always gotta use 'female' which sounds sooo degrading when it's not in a biological perspective.
@@Shaoshinnicprosperity too low IQ to understand why something is offensive, so let me explain it to you since you're not intelligent enough to figure it out by yourself. Notice how it is different if I call you reserved vs standoffish, even though they ultimately mean the same? Or if I call you economical instead of cheap. Connotation is a thing
@Bacon Bandito i don't think you would understand unless you were in a woman's shoes. The reason why people typically some women have an issue with being called a 'female' outside of a biological perspective is that outside of a biological perspective it has a negative connotation to it when people use it in a certain way, unlike the word male.Most of the times when people refer to the word 'female' or 'females' it's never something good coming out of their mouth plus female and male is usually used when referred to animals,yes we are animals but in order to humanise people we use men and women.Instead of calling people thin skinned maybe try to understand where people are coming from?see how i was able to explain my perspective instead of throwing insults at you?
Love your content man. Back in 9th and 10th grade I’d sit alone at lunch and eat while watching your videos. I love hip hop and basketball so it meant a lot to me and felt like I was sitting a friend talking about my favorite stuff. Never stop grinding 👍
I am really annoyed that everyone in this conversation just blindly assumed that all men were ok with the explicit stuff they rap about. I feel just as uncomfortable listening to men rapping about f**ing h***s or something as I am when listening to WAP. there's no difference. I hate this generalization that all men are like this.
Same here. I mean personally I don’t get annoyed at it too much of it’s only a line or a few, but I know other people do. People love thinking one gender = a whole unit of robots who think the same.
I mean instead of blaming the artist you could like idk fn watch out for what your kids are watching on TH-cam? Megan and Cardi b have NEVER targeted their music twords children. Do you see them singing to baby shark? N O
That definitely has to be a part of it but the internet is so ingrained and accessible among people of all ages, it’s not that easy or simple to monitor and restrict what content kids watch these days.
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Fr lol do a better parents the internet can be a dangerous place for a child and parents don’t know a 2 year who barely know the alphabet or numbers 1-10 should not have a social media account. I’m just saying little kids maybe just kids should not be on social media. (Cough) tik tok
Rappers glorifying drugs, sex, or violence is never cool - regardless of whether it's a man or a woman rapping about it. There's a difference between owning your body and reducing yourself to an object. I don't care if it's a man or a woman doing it.
I was waiting for someone to be eliminated until I realized that this was a spectrum video
OMG same
Right!!
lol
LMAO
Did you not realise from the intro?
This discussion is full of the most articulate and open-minded people for such a wide-range of views
Yeah
Yeah, I feel like rap somehow helps people stay open-minded. I might be dead wrong but listening to so many different rappers really helps you understand so many different perspectives and helps shape your opinions on things while also keeping you open. I mean just looking at SoundCloud for instance you have so many different people expressing their selves
@@zainy_inc154 damn true 💯💯
that means a lot nicole, thank you! cool part is everyone is super genuine behind the scenes too.
@@priyashreedubey5844 glad I made sense to someone 😄
I need y’all to do “Do All Teachers Think The Same” again and talk about trying to teach during this pandemic. It’s insane man.
MaestroMusicInc this is a great idea!!
THIS IS AN AMAZING SUGGESTION
YES!
Yes... it’s a lot of stress I’ve never felt before.
YESSS
I'm on the other side of this convo: I dislike it when men AND women rap vulgar, particularly when it comes to sexual activity. But I can acknowledge a bop when I hear one lmfao
Yes. I agree. The music and shows we produce as a society is the culture and society we will be.
Agreed 100%
Facts I mean I listen to some songs about sex by Too $hort & Lil Kim but their lyrics weren’t too generic & actual had more lyrical skill than wack ass Cardi B, Young Thug & etc.
this is it
Exactly
why does it bother men so much when women willingly express their sexuality but when other men write lyrics that heavily sexualize women nobody says anything?
It doesn’t bother me. I’m more annoyed by men acting like boys in the peak of puberty in their music.
It's because they're intimidated/fear a loss of control, a woman expressing her standards sexually means these guys complaining can't get away with being mediocre and they actually have to think about a woman's sexual needs too; these types of guys can't understand sex being about equal pleasure rather than just being about their own.
It’s like it’s okay for them to sexualize us, but we can’t sexualize ourselves.
Because "tHInK oF thE ChILDreN". You'll notice that the conversation wasnt about females owning their sexualities, it was about whether or not they were comfortable letting their little girls listen to it. Men don't care so much about sexualizing women because it seems a normal thing to do (and attraction is normal, dehumanization is not) but they do care about their daughters potential to sexualize themselves, knowing that it will open them up to a world of possible abuse. Its less "should women take ownership of their sexualities" and more "if women are publicly taking ownership of it, will my daughter too?" Its just another subconscious attempt to keep girls "pure" putting the ownness on them instead of checking other men for being gross. Its why so many men only start caring about sexism after having daughters. Some fight the system in support of feminism, and others low-key force their daughters to shrink away from womanhood with the excuse of protecting them.
i would like to think that most of the men who hated on it are also against men saying similar things, and if they didnt i dont think men think that rapping about that sort of thing is the ideal and therefor would disapprove women bringing themselves down to thier level. TO SUM IT UP: its not that women are moving up to the level of men its that women are lowering themselves to the level of men and why would you lower yourself?
Y’all its not that hard...just stop letting artists parent your kids instead of you
Edit: Before you come at me crazy in the comments: Control is not the name of the game here. I’m not suggesting you “control” your kids. I’m suggesting the exact opposite. If you’re afraid of kids being influenced by this song, you should instill values in your kids that will allow them to understand it without having to act on it. Cardi is not responsible for censoring her music just because you don’t want to have these conversations with your kids.
Edit: it’s been 3 months and people are still being purposefully obtuse😂my point isn’t that hard to comprehend
DAANG. HUGE Mic drop. This comment holds so much truth that I doubt it'll get popular because people don't like to face the truth. Kids are learning more from the internet and the streets as a whole than from their own freaking parents these days which is devastating for the future because of the number of parents that are like that.
last_womann correct
The best comment I've seen so far
Documentary called:
*CHILDHOOD* *2.0* the dangers of social media.
Needs to be seen by every single person on the planet. I cannot leave a link due to device I'm using but type that into TH-cam search. Trust me, you'll be glad you watched. Everybody💕
PERIOD
the way qveen herby let other people have their space to speak was amazing!! she was so attentive and open to hearing other perspectives!!! everyone was so respectful this video was definitely refreshing in a world with so much polarization!!!
Did she actually say anything for the first half of the video?
Zaurkax14 not that we saw, but they definitely edit these videos!! i just thought it was beautiful that a successful, conventionally attractive white woman let the others have their space to speak. you could tell she was there to actively listen and i think that speaks more than actual words!!
@@taylorroberts7836 ew, didn't realise you're racist before... I don't think there was a reason at all to mention her skin color, if anything it's only the "success" part that should matter, but they're all basically compatibly successful and they all were very respectful, both white and black, men and women. Nobody ever interrupted anyone in a bad manner.
Zaurkax14 Zaurkax14 you sound upset 😂 skin color is just as relevant as gender when it comes to level of success, as was literally discussed in this video. i didn’t pull it out of my ass. maybe you should practice active listening like qveen did and talk a little less!! and the fact that you’re so booty tickled that i (and them) brought up race tells me all i need to know about you 🥰🥰 have a beautiful day
Zaurkax14 uh baby girl she wasn’t being racist for pointing out the racial biases in our society.
Can we just appreciate that qveen herby took notes throughout the discussions. She's such a good example of what it means to be an ally
I personally don't agree with this. I think as a non-black hiphop artist, a lot of what she was saying she was learning through the conversation should have been things she already knew. I found that she didn't bring much to the conversation when it came to her own level of privilege and it was disappointing. Though I can appreciate her willingness to modify her opinion based on differing perspectives, it seemed like she almost relied on this conversation with other artists to educate her about her own place in the industry's hierarchy and I think that actually made her a bad example of allyship. The question also becomes, what is she going to do with this new knowledge?
@@briw1948 I will admit it was stuff that she should've definitely already known, however I think that it seemed like she was taking notes for additional knowledge. Despite this I still think that she should've added more to the argument and I 100% agree either everything you said
@@briw1948 I can't really follow you on that to be honest. Having privilege should not be some scarlett letter or some kind of moral "bad debt" you have to announce. Would it be nice for her or anyone to be well read or researched on matters of importance, yeah sure.
The real truth is many people are not, and that goes for people in our communities, racial backgrounds, and cultural circles as well. I feel as long as you are respectful and willing to learn, your on the right foot. She may not have added much but she sort of addressed that and said she was just taking in the feedback. That's a valuable part of discussions as well in my opinion. You can threw your two cents but it's perfectly fine to just be quiet and listen if you can't speak on it intelligently. Many non allies don't do that or talk some nonsense when they dont know what they are talking about.
I personally think it's goofy. She contributed no real thought to the discussion. Kind of seemed as if she was scared to offer opinions that might put her in a bad light, so bringing in people of different backgrounds loses its meaning when you feel like you're walking on eggshells. Diversity doesn't end with race/ethnicity. I also think her mentality of what rap is, is archaic. Rap is undoubtedly and very clearly a black dominant genre and it always will be. There's a lot of cultural ties of black culture and hip hop/rap culture, BUT the genre itself is not black. Music is a form of expression, so gatekeeping shouldn't be a thing.
Lol ally
I can’t be the only one who doesn’t understand all this wap discourse. Like, it’s a rap song about sex. It doesn’t have to have some sort of empowering message behind it. If you feel empowered by it, great! If you feel degraded by it, don’t listen to it! In the end, it ain’t that deep.
Factual
Yea
exactly, sometimes we just want to listen to music period - women rapping or singing about sex is fine and doesn’t need to have an empowering message to be of substance
It does matter if song like wap can potentially cause negative societal change, or vice versa, positive one
Agreed I am not a fan of Justin Bieber would I click on his music video and listen to the song and say this is horrible music NO same thing with WAP you dont like it why click on it.
"i hate when female rappers over sexualize themselves" wheres the hate for male rappers who over sexualize other WOMEN??? why cant a girl be confident in herself and her sexuality, and make music about it?
women*
Yeah but they use it as a crutch a lot of the time. I don't have a problem with woman sexualising themselves, but the industry uses their sexuality to sell them to young boys. We act as if it's some super liberating thing, but a lot of the time it's not. It's a tactic to get plays, because the majority of the hip hop demographic doesn't care about female artists that don't rap about those things. Also, don't put words in people's mouths, I bet almost everyone who says I hate when woman oversexualise themselves also hate when men over sexualise women (myself included)
As a man I totally agree, that's like so unfair
also wtf even is sexualizing? there’s no such thing as sexualizing. men or people in general just won’t accept that women are sexual beings and enjoy sex just as much as everyone else. every human being is a sexual being. Sexuality is a part of us and should be embraced and not made into a taboo or into something dirty an filthy
Neta S i’m quite aware of the patriarchy i’m a strong feminist and i get what u mean. but i think u have to separate here. men degrading women IS because they think they’re not allowed to be sexual. they think if a woman is sexual then she’s automatically nothing else and an object for pleasure only (not all men of course).I was coming from the point of view of women. Women can’t sexualize themselves. They just are sexual beings. I don’t think any women claims to be an object for sexual pleasure. But it’s men who think that if she shows any form of sexual behavior. I hope u get what i mean haha
Okay but Neelams outfit tho...literally on point
Yeah, I gotta say, it's pretty cool
Ikr
ikr i want her jacket
IKR idc if you don't like her opinions that beret was everythinggg
Honestly!!
Y'all are sleeping on Brandie, she is incredible. So well spoken and thought out, patient with everyone and gets her points through
Eh
Her music is absolute fire
Gonna look up everyone in the video once I'm done watching it
I disagree with some of her points, she says she wants her girls to own their sexulaity but why should young girls be sexualized at such a young age I'm not saying how to parent but that's something most people disagree with. And tell point where she says Men are mad that it exists is kinda false, it's not just Men it's also Women, they have children that look up to these people and I get that we shouldn't force them to take responsibility for it but why should we let girls sexualized themselves at a young age?
A woman who actively preaches being overweight? Fuck that.
Is WAP empowering? No, not to me. But it might be to other people and that’s fine. Cardi B never claimed to be a role model. She doesn’t have the responsibility of trying to be one.
@adam johnson people are responsible for their own actions so blaming cardi b and saying she should go to jail is preposterous
exactly I agree totally she herself said if people have such an issue with the way the song blew up they should go support the other really dope female artists who are more sensibly lyrical like Remy Ma Teyanna Taylor etc
@@AtheneHolder you mean sensible lyrically?
@@palesatalks6629 lmao she should be in jail for drugging men and ADMITTING to it
No problem with WAP... the problem is the inability of (social) media, the internet, particularly TikTok to be accountable and utilize content ratings (like we have for TV, Film, and Video) to censor content by age appropriateness. It is absolutely not okay to walk into my 9yr old daughters room while she's playing (uncensored) WAP while humping the ground and filming herself for TikTok views. And yes, we've had many previous conversations and will continue too; but our media culture can absolutely overwhelm society at times.
Many of the same people celebrating WAP turned around the next month and were dead silent about Netflix's Cuties - which was directly calling out the toxicity within the TikTok community that nobody wants to talk about.
Qveen: *smiles at literally any and every thing anyone says*
We were all thinking it.
she’s so cute 🥺 I love how she started everything she said with “I wanna thank everyone for sharing their perspective”
@@saiwenya she's truly a light. love her and her music
Oh and she was writing everything down🥺🥺
Qveen : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
okay i just gotta say. Neelam's aesthetic and her style is just..... ASTRONOMICAL
Riiiiiight like she's literally a vibe
Fax yo
Love the fact she's Islamic as well
We dont really have many Islamic idles in the media
Ikr??? I love her style
I’m sure it doesn’t take much to impress you based on your comment
Samad is such a precious angel, shout out to his mother who raised him properly 💖💖💖
I really enjoyed Samad Savage in this vid. His responses were so intelligent and respectful.
Thank youuuu
me too
@@SamadSaVage Bravo!!!!
14:49 “YOU MUST NOT HAVE HEARD A LOT OF MEN RAP” PERIOD NEELAM.
Two wrongs don’t make a right
@@theoutkasts8720 Neither gender is necessarily “wrong”. Both parties are entitled to freedom of expression and freedom of speech regardless. Nobody is interested in what’s “right” because morality is subjective. They’re just entertainers. Their only obligation is to sell.
@@TheMorganVEVO The whole reason everyone got pissed at this song was because people started talking about how it was empowering to hear someone talk about how wet there pussy is imagine if every time lil tecca or lil pump released a song men started to call it empowering to listen to a guy talk about how much woman he fucked or how hard his dick was or how much drugs he intakes its not empowering its just promoting a unhealthy lifestyle its fine to like the music but what could you possibly find empowering by a song like this?
@@amazinggamingbro947 1.) it wouldn’t be “empowering” for men because they’re already in power. So, that hypothetical argument doesn’t really work. 2.) sex (with women) is already a basic standard of masculinity/manhood. That’s partially why the music industry sells that fantasy so much. So, actually calling it empowering would simply be redundant for most men. 3.) many women, on the other hand, feel more empowered by sexual expressions like this because it was historically denied to us [by men]. We didn’t have the same privilege to openly express ourselves in a sexual sense or even allude to our bodies free of any social ramifications or stigma. So, this has sentimental and social value regardless of its artistic value. You can’t compare men’s experience with art to women’s because our realities aren’t the same. If you don’t understand, then just say that. It’s not for everyone to agree with. But you can’t argue with someone’s feelings. If they feel empowered by the song because of its subversive nature, then that’s their experience. 🤷🏽♀️
@@amazinggamingbro947 bruh if you watched this video they explained why “WAP” is considered empowering to some ... did you even listen?
“why can’t I tell my young girls that owning their sexuality is powerful? Why can’t we have someone telling us that so we know to own it before someone else is taking it from us” Damn.
Edit: “my young girls” is a colloquialism for “my daughters”. It’s a parents’ job to teach their kids about sex so she’s talking about including more complex parts of it in that education. That’s better than letting a misogynistic society teach young girls those things. She’s not talking about ‘cuties’ type of stuff.
@Don’t Need one u won😂
@Don’t Need one being a powerful woman is different for every woman. You can't just say what's your definition, which is by the way based on your subjective experience, and invalidate other women's voices. I like being outspoken and unapologetic about my sexual desires and feel powerful about it.
@Don’t Need one empowerment can be different for different women and theres nothing wrong with that
Don’t Need one Based on this and other comments it sounds like you aren’t understanding the huge difference between men/society over-sexualizing women without their consent and women embracing their sexuality in whatever form that looks like. Nobody is telling women they need to be promiscuous, in fact, understanding your value and what you deserve sexually (a person who also cares about your pleasure and respects you) discourages women from sleeping with just any guy and encourages us to not settle for someone who doesn’t value our sexual experience. Also, there can be many avenues in empowering women, nobody is saying female empowerment exclusively comes from owning sexuality. However in the realm of sexuality, an area in which women are often objectified, expressing your desires and reinforcing your sexual experience as a person, not as an object for a man’s pleasure, **is** powerful. I strongly agree with the other forms of female empowerment you brought up, but I’ve found a lot of inner confidence in viewing my sexuality and desires as valid rather than shameful and don’t think sexual empowerment should quickly be dismissed as “encouraging promiscuity”.
@@kristian5489 spending irresponsible amounts of money makes me feel empowered
I personally don’t like the WAP song it makes me feel uncomfortable. However my best friend loves the song and it makes her happy and want to dance. There is nothing wrong with either perspective. A song doesn’t have to appeal to everyone for it to be “acceptable”. I’m confused why we keep having this discussion 🙃🙂
Agreed. I don’t like it, so I don’t listen to it and will change the song if I hear it come on. But if people do like it, good for them
People act like WAP is a no skip ad that comes up every time on their phone. You either like it or you don’t, I don’t see anyone having arguments about Chris Brown’s songs.
@@stephaniemazvita I don't like Chris Brown
@@stephaniemazvita Exactly!!!!👏🏾👏🏾
Amen
I really like this group. They all seem like real people in the best way.
SKOOOOOOWIDIT
-Samad Savage
Thank You
Samad Savage love u bro
Thank you so much! 💙💙💙💙
same they're all very mature and educated and respect one another I love to see it
It’s kinda super annoying that women talking about sex is being put on the same level as killing, or taking A class drugs that could put your life at risk.
STD’s exist
It’s not lmafo
@@meezuswest1781 fr 💀
@@meezuswest1781 no ones rapping about having unsafe sex
@@ValerieAbena you’re still at risk even with a condom lol
The Rick Ross line that Pinqy Ring was referring to was “I put molly up in her champagne, she ain’t even know it. I took her home and I enjoyed that, she ain’t even know it”. SMH 🤢
Yuck
@ his lyric talked about rape
Yassss! This one! So gross 🤢
Disgusting.
@Dude Dale It is disgusting clown 🤦🏾♀️
Cardi B makes music for adults. It's not her fault that parents are letting their kids listen to her. I'm not saying it's bad or good or neutral that they listen to her but the argument that she makes music for younger girls is just incorrect.
Exactly, people automatically assume that all music is for kids and it's like no, it's not. There is music made for kids, and there is music made for adults; perod.
What self respecting adult would listen to that garbage
@@Chernochegger A self-respecting adult who likes that "garbage," and if you don't then you're entitled to your own opinion.
Thank you for the comment
@@Chernochegger it’s not about the lyrics it’s about the best. Truth is that I hate both when it comes to this song
Was I the only one that noticed that samad's audio quality was perfect
it was almost TOO crisp 😭
Was I the only one who noticed that Samad had the Pewdiepie chair?
@@gaminglegend Samad is floor gang
His audio was so satisfying. 😫 with all these zoom calls his audio was refreshing.
i was trying to find a comment pointing that out! it was way too crisp
ALL MY HOMIES LOVE SAMAD
YESSIRRR
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man i knew you was gonna see this lol
inteNsifyCharts hehehe happy to see u here even tho I disagree with some of your opinion
INTENSIFY
The way Qveen Herby is taking notes is SO KILLER. She IS a queen.
I was thinking the same!
ugh i love her
omg period i was like omg i recognize her
@@GlitzKai Yes.
She’s so pretty. I don’t listen to rap but I’m glad I watched this
Instead of equalizing men and women by making women's songs more sexual have we considered making men's songs less sexualized? Just a thought and my vote for how to even the scales.
i mean if you want to make a sexual song go for it but you know your audience so don’t hate the push back from upset people. no kid should be listening to WAP, that’s not empowering them, they don’t understand it like that.
Agreed
Finally someone with a brain.
Women and men are not the same. Perhaps Thats why . the way men and women view sex and sexuality is completely different. You see men dont sexualize or objectify women for experession or liberation, men do it because they are biologically hardwired to do so and there is research that shows that. Women do it force expression and sexual liberation. But hey...it does not bother me personally, women can rap about sexuality and expressing their sexuality as much as they want. It Dont bother me.
Agree. I see lots of people saying how men also make the same sort of music. That is degenerate too!
I’m a teenage girl and when I listen to wap, I don’t really think anything of it. Just listening to a regular song, barely think of it when I’m done
Exactlyyyy people are blowing wayyyy out of proportion its not like this isn't what most rappers rap about 😑
It’s because we are so desensitized to it
Well weather u realize it or not , your feeding into your brain subconsciously, whatever you watch or listen to your gonna reflect that
@@RetRo0._.jebE06 That reflection doesnt amount to anything if your conclusion each time means that you own your body and your sexuality and will protect it
@@RetRo0._.jebE06 well I hope the song wap is subconsciously gone reflect a wap for me because men leave me dry as a desert 🏜
It's not just black and brown kids from poor areas raised by single parents that look at Drake as a role model, it's white kids from the suburbs too...saying this as someone who grew up in the suburbs I speak of.
Single parenthood is a major issue in all of the us
@@FeliciaLyons ok?
What has drake done, that thousands of better examples dont exist, to be a role model?
@@brandipityha9457 he is an role mode for younger kids plus he is the most knew hip-hip artist
chioma plus there are white kids from the suburbs that have single parents too. I lived in e suburbs until my parents divorced. In fact, most white people I know are divorced, but that ignorant guy implied that he thinks only quote on quote "black and brown kids" are raised by single parents and that it's a bad thing. Even though single parents are badass!
At Qveen Herby for pulling out her notepad and probably writing the others' names to check them out later. That me with my notepad right now😂😂😂😂😂.
What!?
I did the same thing
I only knew Qveen Herby but i also want to check some others out so i wrote them
down
Krishna K.I.T. Samad savage is great! I recommend his goodnight remix, or even the original
@@zainkhalil7494
Ok thanks
We legit became friends after. She's a babe 😻
@@pinqyring That's genuinely awesome to hear!
Anaconda walked so WAP could run. I’ll leave that there.
lol true
12yo me thought anaconda was hilarious and memorised all the lyrics and ran around singing it to people
@@bananewane1402 welp
And WAP walked so other can fly
@@terrasaidit what I never said I was her stan?? that’s just the full wording that is used. mlk walked so Obama can run and Obama ran so children can fly
It is very easy. Example: I feel empowered singing on stage, while it's my friends' worst nightmare. Therefore, one woman can feel empowered listening to the WAP song, and another woman can not. It's a matter of opinion of an individual.
Perfect example🤩🥳
Yup, as an Asexual, I can confirm that not everyone feels the same listening to it.
Yes, this is the right answer. No one else's answers to that question really felt right to me, but i knew i would find it eventually
i get what ur saying, but that’s a horrible analogy
@@aspecificafricanyamdish5271 I wish I knew
Can we talk about how clear samad is about his opinions..
Shukran 🙌🏾
Can we talk about that Pewdiepie chair he had!!
Ikr?
@@SamadSaVage God bless you man 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Facts
No ones talking about Neelam, Pinqy Ring, and Brandie Blaze.. they were freaking amazing and I loved how they each articulated their thoughts coming from their own perspectives and experiences.
Come on y’all, give our POC female rappers some love and recognition
Omgggg, thank you for the love!
Rightt
❤️❤️❤️
yall act like yall wasn't listening to "bump n grind" by r. kelly and "pony" by Ginuwine yet have a problem with wap-
edit: since everyone keeps reminding me about the mistake I didn't even realize I had but my point still stands lol
🤔 interesting point. Idky that is
And one of them literally grooms girls too! Stay out of the WAP!
🤣 no one listens to R.Kelly but I know what you mean
@@Panther2323 People used to lol
When nasty but Dababy came out I didn’t see a soul talk abt it
“It’s always the women that sexualize themselves in the songs they make”
have y’all ever listened to the song “or nah” because......💀💀💀
I think the point people make is yes men do it too, but 80% of known female rappers only talk about pussy sex and their body while with men it’s basically only in sex songs or in a line or 2 of a normal song
@@Povertycab it’s not just one line or two it’s a lot.
@@taylor6769 it really is because we both know 80% of songs by guys have 3 lines about sex and it’s never in detail like wap was
@@taylor6769 ye but real songs that have meaning arent as mainstream as songs like WAP. Artists that spit real things like NF and Tory Lanez dont get airplay
i think because men talk about women’s bodies but female rapper talk about their own bodies while being half naked. and i’m not saying that’s a problem but i think that’s why male rappers lyrics are more overlooked
On another note, Neelam’s style is on freakin’ point.
Ikrr
she’s so iconic honestly
This episode is TERRIFIC. Great questions, awesome discussions. Rappers are wordsmiths and messengers, and these cats really demonstrated that! I knew about Neelam and Ruslan, I wanna check out some of the others too. Thanks Jubilee 😌🙏🏿
Gratitude 🙏🏽💕
Same, it was phenomenal!
RG SHALOM check out Samad he’s insane
*Wordsmith* is a great word, perfectly described
@@batman1542 I'm a wordsmith too, you can see that in my Freestyle Friday series😉🙏🏿💫
Neelam is such a sweetheart and makes a lot of valid points about the objectification of women
CAN WE TALK ABOUT SAMAD WHO RAISED THIS YOUNG MAN HE IS SO EDUCATED AND HEAVENLY 🥺
✨💖 *STAAAAHP* 💖✨
@@SamadSaVage woahh man you were great in this interview! You made me actually search about your music and I'm not complaining at all, which is very rare for me cause I don't listen to rap often.
Keep doing the great work! ♥
@@SamadSaVage What mic are you using cause dammmn it’s crisp!! Love it!
Women, if the narrative is men don’t take care of their kids than the women are raising them 🤷🏿♂️
@@SamadSaVage UR A GOOD DUDE - GO EDUCATE OTHER MEN COS SOME OF THEM NEED IT
Listening to Nicki, Cardi, and Kim never made me want to be a stripper but you know what has.....being in debt and barley getting by 😩😩
They probably subconsciously taught you that your body is the only thing you value and therefor you see stripping as your only option to make something of yourself. Nice
Bookmarking this comment
Sebby Warcraft And by “They” you mean the patriarchy right? Because I know those talented women did not once encourage me that my body is my only valuable asset.
@@sebbywarcraft3398 I'm sure this person is aware that there are other means to make money. The "drop-out stripper" jokes are old af, and it's just that: a joke.
Jasmine Lopez Maybe a fee hundred years from now patriarchy existed and men had complete autonomy over women but that’s no longer the case. Yet you still find women sexaulizing themselves and nothing else
I love Samad, so respectful
love you toooo ✨
@@SamadSaVage king u replied 🥺
Ruslan was too
Rhapsody is really underrated and overlooked, I discovered her when I was listening to Complexion by Kendrick Lamar and she featured and it took me a few listens to realize this featured artist has bars.
Which goes into what Cardi B said herself people don't bump and or talk about The Rhapsody's they get into their pocket and really don't tell people anything they're listening to like that. 20 years ago you know what's people's vibing to since that's what they're bumping on the boombox on the porch. The people everybody wanna listen to are out here yet nobody's really giving out flowers unless you start looking.
The same culture that was totally fine with males rapping about date rape in songs like UOENO is complaining about women rapping about their own genitalia. Lmaoo credibility: revoked.
Can u name one song where the male mentions rape?
@@YoungGameChanger23 drugging people and having sex with them is rape. Idk how you missed it. Go listen to the song.
@@Alex-hj1vk yeah but you won’t name a song
@@YoungGameChanger23 reading is fundamental. UOENO is the song, hun.
@@YoungGameChanger23 guilty conscience dr dre
In order for lyrics to be meaningful or uplifting they don’t have to be “sweet” smh
Thank you for saying so
GAGAGAGAGAGA!!! I watched this video and it is really not that good compared to my perfect videos. GAGAGAGAGA!!! This is NOT self-promotion! This is the reality! This is the world! We are the people! Don't disl****ke my vide*****s, my dear dea
@@AxxLAfriku this is literally self promotion. and a HORRBILE attempt at that
exactly!!!
*have they ever listened to a ATCQ or De La Soul??*
why tf does anyone think or expect that rap has to be appropriate for children lmao
Yeah it makes no sense.. If they care so much they should filter and censor their children’s music..
Back then when rap first started I suppose (mainly fast singing and not cussing era of rap before someone blew it out of the water)
Right go listen to kids bop... and the think abt drake, do you really think that drake is going to play his songs on the radio with his child present. Even cardi b I think there’s a video on yt where she say to turn of WAP since her child came into the room...
Because no matter what children will hear, and it’s impossible for parents to control everything they see
@star luv I’m not even a woman, but it’s impossible to do that children even need devices for school so it’s inevitable to escape them, but we need to make it safer
qveen herby is absolutely stunning in every way
All these people are so pretty, but I'm crushing hard on Neelam and Qveen Herby 😂
Exactly! Those Women were pretty as hell bro.
still grateful lol
yess
Riiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhtttt!!!!!!!
@@SamadSaVage samad 😭😭
men: all women rap about is their body parts
also men: *rap about women's body parts*
I don't like it from either sex.
@@andrewfortmusic i don't like it from men but from women it's fine because it's their body and they should be allowed to feel good about it and should be allowed to be confident rapping about it, just like men do with their dicks
Army?
@@mandeayamajeed1043 hi
@@tsibtp2968 I don’t like music about sex at all.
Male rappers literally rap about much worse things, but when it’s suddenly a women everyone is upset.
Yup those Men are hypocrites
@Jxm Ksg not really. Go listen to some of the rap they’re producing today. It’s all full of drugs and sex and gangs and there’s nothing wrong with that, but when a female artist like cardi comes up with song like wap, so many people start to bash her for it.
No we have been complaining about it but you guys just brush us off
@@tobyfinney768 not it is childish because you are basically saying " but they can do it".
I think brandie blaze should colab with lizzo
Pink had a whole camera crew at her place. The angles were immaculate
I didn’t even notice that
*I feel like Rap music is the ONLY genre that constantly gets talked about in a negative light & the lyrics are always being brought up to question*
Rightfully so for the most part
Although I kinda of agree with you it's just due to the time we live in. Before rap it was punk, heavy metal, rock etc.
There’s for sure double standards for rap compared to other genres.
@@trayfor it really does depend on the artist, most hiphop/rap artists I know have pretty lyrical and thoughtfull texts
I think that is mostly due to the difference in musical structure of rap music, with more emphasis placed on the words of the song than the other parts. rap is more of poetry set to a beat whereas other genres of music are made of choruses, melodies, harmonies, etc.
As a teenager who listens to WAP, i dont take the words literally. I feel the confidant vibe of the song and take that vibe to heart.
Sureee lol
Same it’s literally about wap that’s it💀
But the words are literal
@@mrsplashman8308 k
@@nikitalachke1808 lmnop
The short answer is yes and no. Every woman is different. If a woman felt “empowered” in an emotional or spiritual sense, then she’ll like the song. 🤷🏽♀️ REAL empowerment in any other sense under capitalism is basically impossible. So we might as well enjoy the art for what it is: a product.
In any case, a sexually graphic or explicit song doesn’t necessarily have to be “empowering” for women to like it. We have nothing to prove or to defend. Men don’t call every other song empowering just to defend listening to it. If you simply like the song or you like the rappers, then nobody has a right to make you feel bad about it (especially men). 😂 Everything doesn’t have to be political.
@Alex I see. In that sense, then the song is absolutely empowering to you because the subject matter was denied to you for so long. I grew up Catholic as well, but my mom wasn’t suppressive towards me. So, for me, the song is no different from anything else I listened to growing up. It’s just funny to me. The debate only started when people started calling it feminist and other people started calling it harmful. It’s neither of those things to me. It’s just about fun and light-heartedness. It’s just dance music. I swear, politics ruins everything these days. We should be beyond this in 2020. But the drama and controversy just proves that we still aren’t quite there yet in terms of gender and sexual expression.
you put that so well. thank you!
@Alex I’m really sorry to hear about that. Can I ask how old you are?
@Alex Ohh. I’m 24. You’ll most likely grow out of your tension with your mom. Time and distance will help you become more comfortable being different from her expectations or standards. Basically, the longer you stay true to yourself without being around your parents and adjusting to their standards every day, the stronger your sense of self will become. Once you’re outside of your shell for so long, you won’t go fit inside it. So, your parents will have no choice but to accept you or ignore you. Lol.
@Alex That sounds like a situation where you would be tempted to go from one extreme to another, when you'd probably feel best somewhere in between. I'd recommend therapy.
if it was a song by men this wouldnt even be talked about
Ikr
Ignorant comment. There's plenty of men who hate when male rappers talk about sex in every song.
@@nebula1931 when Dababy made a song called nasty I didn’t hear a single soul talk abt it
@@egendary6811 Right, because one song that doesn't get talked about means that men haven't denounced the oversexualization of females in the rap game. Get that out of my face bruh
@@egendary6811 Yeah and nobody ever tried to cancel Marilyn Manson for being overtly sexual, androgynous and "offensive"...
Wap isn't my kinda music but there's absolutely nothing wrong with a woman choosing to portray herself sexually. Can we just let artists be creative in their way? We don't have to love everything they do, we just need to stop policing something that isn't hurting anyone!
@Estela Lopez even worse.....
I don't think the female rappers sexualising themselves is bad .cuz men do it too.
Its just that I don't think it's a feminist anthem
The only problem I have with is that literal ten year olds are doing the wap on tik tok
@@Bruh_227 exactly
This topic baffles me so much. 1 song about women expressing their sexual prowess vs a million male artists singing "beating the pu**y up". Like actually type that into Genius and see how many songs pop up, you'll be scrolling for Hours!!!
@ That’s not what you’re saying what you’re saying is that the double standard it’s not OK
Both are wrong, but why refer to the women doing it as ‘sexual prowess’ but male rappers as ‘beating the p**** up’; both are the same thing
Exactly. They act like sexual songs are new. Ppl used to deadass moan on songs in the 90s
@@xplays7992 Men sexualize a woman's body in their songs and objectify in a way that's degrading them but in WAP they were referring to the sexualization of their own bodies and empowering THEMSELVES. I don't understand why men just don't understand that...
@@zariajohnson5728 ‘whores in this house’, very empowering...
men rap/ sing more about women’s body parts than women do.
stfu
All facts
Árk __ no stay mad
@lee min-hyeok they literally do LOL? they constantly talk about p*ssy and ass. but get mad when a woman does.
I think that's bad too
Rap is poetry and sometimes poetry is not happy. Think of Eminem's "Cleanin' Out My Closet" and Sylvia Plath's "Daddy", for example.
Why is this song getting so much damn attention? People are acting like this is the first time in history that a women sung a sexual song. Do y'all not remember "My Neck, My Back" by Khia?
...and that song was nearly 20 years ago.
Fr
I MADE THE SAME POINT
@A Human Beingthe song is named thick. no one said it wasn’t objectifying
@A Human Being okay? should we cancel the song? you can't compare the two bc no one is calling that song female empowerment.
Maybe because there’s dances moves paired with it and social media/ tiktok blew up?
Different things empower different women.
Thank uuuu this is the one
wdym..
@@zion3316 women find different things that make them confident
@@zion3316 dang bruh look it up smh
@emmanuel hardy
🤣🤣👍👏👏
am i the only one who doesn’t think this is a big deal? like it’s just a song bro
Sure, it's about a song, who is not even claimed for adults on youtube so kids will just look at it and act like it's a beautiful normal song and they will copy the same behaviour.
It's just a song, until you can see your 12/13 daughter acting like that or dancing like that infront of her male friends, yeah, just a song
@@InnerEagle lol that only happens if that daughter doesn’t get her morals set straight by her parents. Of course if her parents aren’t around she would get easily influenced by the behavior in a music video.
@Cher rachia Vinson Writing it it's something, the graphic showed is another. I mean, I don't mind it how's made, but for example, I was watching it, and my mother came to ask me something and saw the part where the was doing the split (im not joking, im 33 and italian, long story), she looked at me like if it was porn, how could I explain it was just music?
I mean, give me the name of a music video song which is comparable to wap, and that means, with same quality of graphics shown, im here to see that
@@chatnoir2574 Dang, then italy is condamned to hell, on instagram i keep seeing kids acting like if they are 40
InnerEagle well then the guilty one is TH-cam not Cardi B and Meghan
Samad is such a nice man 🥺🥺 very precious!
Must protect🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Brandie Blaze was dropping bangers on their head tops. Especially the part of Black plus size entertainers only being “Sassy Asexual people”, definitely eye opening.
She was so eloquent!!
“FeMalEs WrOtE tHaT sOnG” females. Literally why can’t u just say women.
Exactly. We’re they little girls? No. We’re they goats? No.
Agree. I hate that 'females'. Just say Women. It's not hard
@@irrelevance3859 can someone explain why they don't like to be called a "female"? is it rude, or is it dehumanizing? (genuine question btw)
@@user-fj4xd7hn7k "female" is a scientific & clinical word independent of being human. "female" is used to describe animals. it's dehumanizing
@@user-fj4xd7hn7k it's like saying "the blacks" instead of "black people". they both look the same, but one sounds way way more appropriate. not sure if the analogy makes total sense, but that how i think of it.
This was a super fun and profound conversation for me. grateful for the new friends I made. Thanks so much for having me Jubilee! hoping this pushes people towards empathy 👍😀
Your perspective is really insightful Ruslan. Keep being a positive force bro
@@MegumiHayashida thank you! appreciate the kind words
Props for being on here
Great job Ruslan! It's great to see you represent the chh community
Amazing perspective Ruslan 👏👏
I’m sorry I’m crushing on all the women in this video. They all give me different vibes but I love them all!!
Mr. MVP S.I.M.P.
The reason why this is female empowerment is because women have ALWAYS be told to hush and not talk about anything sexual/or express yourself sexually/be sexual
We can't express our sexuality and when we do then it's a huge problem but when a man does it's "a man being a man"
So I see WAP as a song about two women taking back that power that society has always had over our sexuality.
The background music say their is whore in this house,how is calling yourself a whore isn’t women empowerment.The whole video was basically saying that women or sex object and vagina is the best thing every .Thats whore empowerment.
Feminists: "Society sexualizes women!"
Also feminists: *praises the sexualization of women*
Hush
@@yashipatel3241 exactly. There's a difference between empowerment and what WAP supposedly is
How do men express their sexuality? How does WAP empower women? Sluts? Maybe. Women? dont see it.
I'm sorry but that Joey guy is talking like a highschool kid at a Socratic seminar lmao
That’s literally what I was thinking about this whole video lmao
Socratic seminar.. sure
Joey NATO is amazing
Bruh joey taking like he a school leader or som 💀
you had to do that b******* too
Why does everything a woman do that’s not of society’s rules have to be deemed as “women empowerment”
frrrrr
Exactly
Anything that anyone does outside of gender norms is gender empowerment.
Lembdadelta no it’s not
eddie spaghetti someone can do sum just because they want to without the intention of it being “empowering” IF that’s how other ppl see it then that’s on them, but if it’s not their intention, then people can’t be mad if it’s not “empowering” others as THEY think it should
I think people fail to realize Cardi never said “oh WAP is a song for feminists and all the females should be empowered by me and Meg song.” No, she never said that. Though many people are, it’s a controversial statement and it for sure has stirred up the pot. I know many people who agree, and many people who disagree. And to the people who say “when you listen to WAP, you’re putting that knowledge into your head and promoting it on yourself”, many people I know including myself have grown up listening to violent music. None have ever went out and committed a violent crime. Or a crime in general. More people need to understand this.
Men rapping about women literally owning them sex.
Everyone:
Women rapping about owning their sexuality and being confident.
Everyone: This is scandalous.
Almost true except they mention paying their tuition from a man
@@Nikki-ks6wi how does that make OP's point less true
I don't think the female rappers sexualising themselves is bad .cuz men do it too.
Its just that I don't think it's a feminist anthem
@@angadgill91 I hear ya, I think this "feminist anthem" question boils down to the different ways people interpret feminism. For some people in this context it means ownership over one's own sexuality, for others it means agency beyond one's sexuality, so I don't think there's a solid right or wrong opinion on whether this song is an anthem either way
I think women and men over sexualizing things is weird lol.
the prompt was “is wap A feminist anthem” not “is wap THE feminist anthem”
Same difference
@@TUMunich Your education system has failed you.
TheOnlyOne WithGum 💀💀💀
The answer is no.
Very true ❤️❤️❤️
Is nobody gonna talk about how Samad Savage has a Pewdiepie chair.
Hopefully Pewdiepie reacts to this lol
@@SamadSaVage facts
@@SamadSaVage let's hope.
Lmaoo
It's a shame that I had to scroll that much for this comment
WAP Songwriters:
Austin J. Owens / Belcalis Almanzar / Frank Rodriguez / James III Foye / Jorden Thorpe / Megan J. Pete
Majority men interesting
It's a song written made by men to fulfil male fantasy. Imagine them hearing the lyrics on every girl and their fantasies get a new whole level
Qveen really said “☺️” after every second
" I hate when female artists..." 😋Wait. Let me stop you right there.🟥
🚩🚩
I hate when female artists make music
Coleman Fly I hate when men think they can control women
@@andrearobertson3590 hate’s a strong word
@@colemanfly764 I hate when men speak
Notice how they cut Neelam off when she began to talk about the agenda of the music industry. If you censor the truth, you are apart of the problem!
Word. Time for everybody to wake up. Your comment buried in a sea of mediocrity, but at least you made MY day💕
To be honest wap is apart of that agenda. Lol it goes to music, films and ect.
Yea I noticed that too
I was scrolling the comments just to find this one. I’m so happy someone caught that!
@@mastercleanseNOTdiet ...WOW, thank You so much! You made my night!
Female empowerment should truly start in the mind, your self-esteem, views of other women and exceeding ability should be focused on. Yes I can be confident in my body and be comfortable in my own skin but I don't need to expose myself sexually to know that and tell others the same thing. Women are already powerful and being empowered is showing the character and value of women from oppression in society. Not just about the clothes they wear but the belief that continuing this, empowers women but really just degrades their worth outside of the true integrity they have.
Yes, that's also why modesty exist
Brandie got me teary talking about gaining and coping with sexuality esp being a rape survivor rlly got me
Here's the thing: just because a girl did something you wouldn't want your mother/sister/daughter doing or that you wouldn't do, doesn't mean that she doesn't have the right to do it. Not everything a woman does has to be for the sake of other women. It can just be for herself.
Men aren't grilled half as much in rap videos for their depictions of masculinity; why should women always have to be judged by the standards of what benefits feminism? You go crazy trying to live your life that way. Just let people be people.
Exactly. The point of feminism is to let women have the choice to do what they want. Like if they want to be an object, let them be an object, if they don't, don't make them be an object.
we need more men like samad
Aw shux
Y'all sleeping on Brandie, she made some POINTSS
It’s not female empowerment, I just think it’s two women having fun and making music
It can be both if u want it to be tho🤷🏾♀️
@@aspecificafricanyamdish5271 the song can be just for fun but it also can be a way to empower a woman to be comfortable in there body and their sexuality. Woman could be an amazing role models in politics but that doesn’t mean they should pretend there sexual life doesn’t exist for the sake of being “professional”. That’s why some ppl take comfort in this song... it’s sorta like how guys say “big duck energy” now is woman can say “wap energy” 😉
@@Nenette1234 I still wouldn’t talk about my sex life at work, there’s a time and a place.
@@applefarm6126 what???🤨 when did I say to talk about sex at work????? I’m not going to re -explain what u just said cuz u completely took what I said out of context
@@Nenette1234 I used that as an example
Joey keeps saying...”females” like stfu everyone is saying “women” and then neemlam said “well you haven’t heard men rap” like...
right...one thing i have noticed is alot of people always refer to men as men or guys as guys or boys as boys but when it comes to women and girls they always gotta use 'female' which sounds sooo degrading when it's not in a biological perspective.
Imagine being offended by being called what you are.
@@Shaoshinnicprosperity too low IQ to understand why something is offensive, so let me explain it to you since you're not intelligent enough to figure it out by yourself. Notice how it is different if I call you reserved vs standoffish, even though they ultimately mean the same? Or if I call you economical instead of cheap. Connotation is a thing
@Bacon Bandito i don't think you would understand unless you were in a woman's shoes. The reason why people typically some women have an issue with being called a 'female' outside of a biological perspective is that outside of a biological perspective it has a negative connotation to it when people use it in a certain way, unlike the word male.Most of the times when people refer to the word 'female' or 'females' it's never something good coming out of their mouth plus female and male is usually used when referred to animals,yes we are animals but in order to humanise people we use men and women.Instead of calling people thin skinned maybe try to understand where people are coming from?see how i was able to explain my perspective instead of throwing insults at you?
@Bacon Bandito because the context in which the word “female” is used is almost always in a condescending tone
Here for Samad
Love your content man. Back in 9th and 10th grade I’d sit alone at lunch and eat while watching your videos. I love hip hop and basketball so it meant a lot to me and felt like I was sitting a friend talking about my favorite stuff. Never stop grinding 👍
@@nourae.9616 thats wild cuz I used to sit alone at lunch too
i have no clue who he is but he seems so chill and likable. i’d consider letting him hold my drink
I am really annoyed that everyone in this conversation just blindly assumed that all men were ok with the explicit stuff they rap about. I feel just as uncomfortable listening to men rapping about f**ing h***s or something as I am when listening to WAP. there's no difference. I hate this generalization that all men are like this.
Same here. I mean personally I don’t get annoyed at it too much of it’s only a line or a few, but I know other people do. People love thinking one gender = a whole unit of robots who think the same.
I mean instead of blaming the artist you could like idk fn watch out for what your kids are watching on TH-cam? Megan and Cardi b have NEVER targeted their music twords children. Do you see them singing to baby shark? N O
facts
exactly there is a TH-cam Kids app for a reason, if their child see’s WAP that’s there fault
*preteens
That definitely has to be a part of it but the internet is so ingrained and accessible among people of all ages, it’s not that easy or simple to monitor and restrict what content kids watch these days.
Fr lol do a better parents the internet can be a dangerous place for a child and parents don’t know a 2 year who barely know the alphabet or numbers 1-10 should not have a social media account. I’m just saying little kids maybe just kids should not be on social media. (Cough) tik tok
All these positive rappers…no wonder I hadn’t heard of them until now
Lmao get to know us
joey nato is a good music and producer
@@SamadSaVage Nice, you have Pewdiepie's chair!
Samad Savage I plan to. That’s been the blessing of the internet. I’ve discovered so many more independent artists from multiple genres.
Cuz they didn't sell their souls😬
Paradise Gang🤪🥳
Joey dont got no room to talk when his music sound like TAHT
Egthbrgsgevrv bruh I'm cryin
LMFAOOOO
I’m deaddd💀
We shouldn't be over here attacking people on their music!
whats taht i looked it up on the dictionary, couldn't find anything.
Rappers glorifying drugs, sex, or violence is never cool - regardless of whether it's a man or a woman rapping about it. There's a difference between owning your body and reducing yourself to an object. I don't care if it's a man or a woman doing it.
Media: these rappers are bad for girls growing up
**Oh boy imagine if Eminem right now was releasing the music he was years ago**
I wanna see these snowflakes react to old Eminem, I’m talking hell bound and Kim, all them type
Beamer The media famously hated Eminem back then. Nothing changed
@@cocknballs47 yeah lol
@@beamer9872 😂😂 i really want to watch that
*It would have been more than just "Pickett Signs for my wicked rhymes". They would have cancelled him just for "My Name Is" & call him problematic*
I just found out Qveen Herby is from Karmin, thats why she looked so familiar!
Are you serious? 😭
I thought so!!!
I never knew this omfg
Ya.. brokenhearted was my favourite...😍
Her name is actually Amy Noonan
i dont like joey saying "females" while everyone else saying "women"....
Then domt say "men" or "males" and say "guys"
The Sharingan Knight that makes no sense. We should be called women and men, not males and females. You use female and male to refer to animals
Jessica L. Bold of you to assume we aren't animals.
The Sharingan Knight we dont say males, we say men, so we should use the words men and women
krisjoy k ❄️
I like what Ruslan had to say. Looked him up and he actually has dope music too
Thank You guys for having me on 🙌🏾
you can find me @samadsavage everywhere
it was so much fun hearing your perspective :)
i loved ur perspective thank u
love ur chair
Was that chair what I think it was?
Jimothy Jimmz lmao Yessir
Okay, but can we talk about how GORGEOUS neelam is
WAP is not a feminist anthem. It empowers feminists but calling it an anthem is wayyy too much!
Yeah a true feminist anthem would let people choose whether they want to be sexualized or not.
@@noorah3227 That's one heck of a generalization buddy, some women do like this song and others don't.
Lady of Awesome well i mean like some do and some dont. personally i don’t mind it
@@noorah3227 Okay, that makes more sense.
Do you you know what feminist is
They must’ve not heard of Trina, Lil Kim, hell even Missy Elliot, in the early 2000s. Stop playing.