Controversial Wheel of Time Finale Explained | Unraveling S1 E8: The Eye of the World
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- I've put it off long enough, it's time to finally Unravel and Explain The Wheel of Time season one finale, The Eye of the World. This one is MASSIVE, so you might want to watch it in parts or at 2x speed. 😅
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro & Questions
0:50 - This is NOT a Review
1:59 - Spoiler Warning
2:28 - Controversies
3:24 - Fewer Stunts
4:07 - Only Mostly Dead
5:34 - Goodbye Barney :(
6:57 - Weird Book/Show Ending
7:34 - Episode Breakdown/Cold Open
10:29 - The Man Who Can't Forget
11:37 - Age of Legends vs Third Age
12:25 - Parallels Intro
13:07 - Visual Parallels - Initiation
13:52 - The Blight
15:23 - The Eye of the World
16:34 - Life & Corruption
17:07 - Plunging Into Darkness & Surrendering
17:29 - Scared of Rocks & Branches
18:16 - sa'angreal
18:58 - Male or Female Dragon?
20:26 - Birds & Fishes
20:55 - Listening to the Wind
21:23 - Mat/Perrin & Padan Fain
22:06 - Trollocs & Battles & Cracks
22:28 - Fakeout Death & Burn Out (eyeroll)
25:30 - Rand & Egwene
28:55 - Changing Fate & the Pattern
30:11 - Thematic Parallels - Arrogance
31:16 - What Happened to Moiraine?
32:33 - The Great Lord's Plan
34:14 - The Seals
35:17 - Origins of The Wheel of Time
35:38 - Agelmar's alive! I think.
36:00 - Cringe Moment - "The Tell"
37:46 - Shadar Logoth Dagger Nerfed?
38:11 - Who Dis? The Man Behind the Dark Curtain
38:24 - The Seanchan (Last Scene)
39:14 - Thank You For Watching!
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I'm so glad that I can share my thoughts about The Wheel of Time with all of you lovely people!
Please be civil in the comments, and remember to like the video, subscribe, and stay cool.
It's cool to see how much good faith civil discussion is happening in the comments. Kudos to you and your viewers for creating such reasonable critical engagement with the show. :)
@@davidlovesyeshua I agree, it's been really nice!
I really appreciate videos like this. I am visually impaired and even with the audio description I still miss some of these great visual details. Keep up the great work.
@@Gamedaughter1 That is so nice to hear! I just worry that my videos are also very heavy on the visuals. What can I do in the future to accomodate needs like yours better?
@@UnravelingthePattern Thank you for asking but you do really well with placing arrows and markers on things you are talking about. That is very helpful indeed.
Lauren.. you take FOREVER to put out these videos...and the wait is worth every minute. The top notch quality of your presentations cannot be overstated. It's not just the professional video composition; but your ability to find the details and bring them back the books. Your enthusiasm and positivity are absolutely infectious (in all the right ways). I hope it's not too embarrassing (to either of us) for me to tell you this video in particular nearly brought me to tears. You're bringing the joy back into this screen adaptation for me. Please keep it up. Take whatever time you need.
Good things are worth waiting for....
Not embarrassing at all. Thank you so much for the kind words! I'm currently regretting that my video is so long, so comments like this really lift my spirits!
@@UnravelingthePattern Are you kidding - I was so engrossed I forgot my coffee😂
@@UnravelingthePattern The length doesn't matter if the content is totally engrossing, and your videos always are! Thanks so much for sharing your efforts with us.
I love how closely Lauren is able to watch the show for parallels and notes. This helps further establish that the show runners are trying hard to put elements in there that reward close watching. Even though some of the larger structural pacing and production elements mean it didn’t land 100% in season 1, it suggests the possibility of stronger seasons to come.
Your videos like this which are well produced, thought out and narrated are the gold standard of wheel of time videos man. Most of us would love longer run times like this
Rand realizing that he can't take Egwene's free will away is one of the best things in the entire season and is SO thematically relevant to literally the entire book series. I can put up with some teen drama for that payoff, zero regrets.
In the books, Rand doesn't realize this until he sees Elayne's eyes. But he does try it. At least in the TV series, he knew enough to not even try it, and I think that 10000000000x better, as it's much more of an aware Rand than the stumbling stone hearted nitwit in the books.
@@LaerenMisha A little harsh on my boi Rand, but fair.
Book spoilers:
I wonder what this will mean for the Maidens of the Spear/Rand storyline from the middle of the series? I guess Rand hasn't generalized the lesson he's only partially learned in the finale of season 1, applying it only to someone he loves and empathizes with on a sufficiently deep level? Or the aspect of them deliberately sacrificing their lives protecting him is "going too far" in terms of making their own decisions in life?
@@davidlovesyeshua Rand literally had no choice in the matter, with the Maidens. Him realizing their agency early on will make it much less awkward.
I have to say. I liked the series enough to rewatch it. I never read the books though, so I dont really have any waypoints of comparison.
I did like the portrayal of Rand. He’s a teenager learning the truth about life.
I liked the idea of the Wisdoms being herbalists, and practices of sympathetic magic.
I am honestly looking forward to season 2. I really loved the relationship between Rand and his father.
@@davedahl4461 dude get the audiobooks or the books. Rands relationship with his father is amazing
I have watched a bunch of WoT S1 reviews, and yours mentioned items not found anywhere else. I love that you bring tears to my eyes with your "off hand" asides. Never stop! Thank You for all your work!
Thank you! That really means a lot.
I had not noticed the city in the cold open being the same as the ruined skyscrapers! very cool
I agree with you on Agelmar - I fully expect that he's not dead, and my least favorite thing in episode 8 was the number of people who look like they were dead but clearly are not (Loial, probably Agelmar, and especially Nynaeve). I don't think everything was executed as well as it could have been, but otherwise I did enjoy the season overall, and I thought the way they portrayed the final confrontation with Ba'alzamon, the shadowspawn army, and Padan Fain was more interesting and less confusing than the end of Book 1.
Yes! I hate the fakeout deaths. It detracts so much from the actual deaths. When the characters eventually die, you don’t feel anything.
Also Uno lying on the floor twitching from a Myrddraal blade. Once you've seen one fake out death in a show/film it makes the real deaths always feel like "Why could they not just do what they did in a previous episode?", especially when you want to show a meaningful slow death.
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I think between Ep 4 and Ep 8 they undermined the very real book mechanic of fake out deaths and resurrections. This will lower instead of raise the stakes for viewers as a result, which is a pity. It's something that will need a well-written course correction.
I agree with maybe Agelmar isn’t dead and not after watching for 100th time, but from Lauren’s breakdown. I was oblivious to how it actually looked.
The 10 month wait for this video was worth it. I absolutely love your breakdown and analysis.
Thanks so much!
It always astounds me how you manage to pick up more details than me even though I'm looking for them. I NEVER would've thought to count the cracks in the seal. Brilliant!
TH-cam just brought this up for me today and I really really enjoyed this. I had not noticed just how many parallels there were between episode 1 and 8. Amazingly insightful and detailed analysis as usual!
This is such a great breakdown Lauren. You see so much and it's so well put together! Thank you
I had never heard of the Wheel of Time til the show came along, but have since listened to all the books on audible. I totally get why people have some major issues with the show now I know the full story, but at the same time, I'm glad the show exists as I would never have found this incredible story otherwise.
The story has such amazing and diverse characters and they've all got great storylines, it feels like this should be quite an easy story to convert to TV, especially as the story progresses and all the different factions start coming into it. Theres so much potential there with all of the scheming from the Forsaken, the giant battles and plot twists especially for people who havent read/listened to the books, if they get this right it could easily surpass GoT due to that shows poor last couple of seasons, but right now the shows nowhere near that level.
Not Rand clearing the rubble! Awesome catch, I'm 🤯
Wait what does that mean?
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"clearing the rubble" is part of what Herid Fel had written down in response to Rand's questions (Min later figured out it meant he needed to break the seals before he could seal the DO up again)
I love the idea of the 7 Seals being at different locations throughout the world. Good call on one being underneath the ceremonial pool! This video was definitely worth the wait. Keep up the good work!
Ooh, I wonder if it will feature in a future episode down the line when Perrin stops by?
Props for working in Miracle Max. Everything is made better when you sprinkle in a little Princess Bride.
“Don’t touch anything” was probably one of those “Do as I say, not as I do” things that parents tend to pull. 😂 Mo was just too tired to fuss when he started touching things too. She’s thinking “Ugh! Fine! Whatever! Go ahead. Touch all the things. Just don’t come crying to me when something eats you.”
I never even realized that the young channeler was the same woman we met before. That’s so much sadder now.
Yeah, Nynaeve even nods to her in recognition as she enters the circle.
@@UnravelingthePattern welp, I guess I need to go rewatch the whole season…again. 😏
@@rapunzl347 😂😂that’s a flimsy excuse- you were totally gonna do that anyway
This was a nice surprise! It's midnight here in Greece so I here your voice lying down! Thanks for sharing this ❣
Good morning! Get some sleep! :)
I did so I had to watch it again today! You're right: much much better than just to listen!
Love that you keep up the hype for the show. Cannot wait for season 2 🥳🥳🥳
I watched almost all your videos. I spend my Sunday listening to you !
You were right about everything, especially the shielding part. Thank you for you videos.
Just wanted to add my thanks to all of the others. I am a WoT reader, but one with a horrible memory, and also one who misses so many of the details that you pull out. I wanted to rewatch season one before season two came out, and I ended up watching you unravel each episode before watching the episode itself, and I got WAY more out of my rewatch. I pray that we will see this all the way to the Last Battle.
I can only imagine how long these take, but please keep it up. Your knowledge and talent are much appreciated. I have gone back and watched basically every video you've made. Can't wait for more WoT 101.
Wow, that is so kind of you. Thank you so much for watching! I'm so happy to hear my videos are helpful!
This was a great breakdown as always. Thank you for all the work you put into them!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I appreciate your taking your time and providing deep value in your analysis.
Superb video! I thought I knew most of the details but I hadn't noticed that the DO's power threads were all black!
I really appreciate your insight effort and because of you I can appreciate and see the tv show and books in a totally new light and il forever be thankful for that x
Book spoilers (book 7ish):
Rand wasn’t exactly “without training” at eye of the world, as he can do things that Lews Therin could, without knowing what they are or how they’re done. (Or Lews Therin can do them through Rand).
With that paired together with the power of the dead Aes Sedai (and Rand himself, although he was nowhere near his potential at this point) I can easily see him single handedly killing the horde of trollocs and collapsing the rocks. (After all he did create a full on mountain in his previous life all by himself.)
Great video again! Well worth the wait - and you continue to give me hope that we could get a bit better show on S2 and onwards. Here’s to hoping for improving the show and keeping the good qualities in it.
Nyn is one of the most powerful ever with the other woman they would be able to do this as well
Nynaeve is nowhere near her potential at this point.@@IronheartvsMiles
Awesome work, as always, Lauren!! Thanks!!
My pleasure! Glad you liked it!
Another awesome video! A day with a new unraveling video is a great day! Season two is soon upon us, I'm sure! 👍
Book Spoilers: Someone on Twitter gave the idea that Egwene may be using a very non-standard kind of healing on Nynaeve that calls to something very important she does in the last book of the series. Sarah Nakamura came online and hinted that this was, in fact, something they were thinking about. If they go that route, it would explain why Egwene's healing is so poor...she learned it 'wrong', and that can continue to be a source of tension for her until she figures it out at the very end.
Love this! This is my head canon for now.
I don’t get it. What is it that Egwene did that I missed? I finished the books recently and have no idea what this could be. Give me a clue?
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Egwene uses a special weave at the Last Battle as a sort of "anti-Balefire" weave when she dies and repairs the Pattern. I think they call the weave the "Flame of Tar Valon"
I remember that, but I guess I’m still struggling to understand how that could be connected to this Egwene healing Nynaeve here?
I hope WOT, at some point, goes back to the episodes and fixes these things -just like I have heard George Lucas does with Star Wars. Taking down a notch, the burning in Nyanaeve’s face would help. That way, at least it is clear Egwene didn’t cure/resurrect Nynaeve with tears.
I loved the show. So much I read the series because of it but that part was always annoying.
@@arosa_mg Book Spoilers: The effect for that end magic can be linked into healing. How different is it between healing a person and healing the world. They could easily be using the same effect.
Yaay I thought I was the only one who thought Agelmar isn't dead! Brilliant vid as always, love the parallel breakdowns
5:30-the healing scene was overlaid with the explanation of ta'averen from Padan Fain. I interpreted it to be the pattern working through Egwene.
How do you explain Rand being visible in the sky in Falme?
I'm so excited for the cold opens in season two, I bet they will dive into some cool stuff. We have the Gitara scene that Rosamund kinda said was shot, and confirmed "darkfriend social" scene from Rafe I belwive, and now that the worldbuilding is being established, the prologue to EOTW with LewsTherin (Alexander Karim) would make so much sense now that the non book viewers are more educated with the world.
Perhaps this might be a cool video idea? Let's have Unraveling the pattern video about speculated cold opens in season two? I would LOVE that! ❤️
Since you mentioned those black strings emanating from under "The Dark One", I have a theory.
What if he made those strings (either from the True Power or the One Power), and when Rand channeled into the sa'angreal, the DO took Rand's weaves through him and then the strings acted as conduits, which is what caused the seal to break. And potentially altered the weaves so that they could break the cuendillar from the seal.
The DO came prepared, and he knew that the strength of the Dragon Reborn channeled through a sa'angreal would be enough. He just needed to divert it towards the seal.
I'm thinking something like this too, though maybe a variation. I actually released another video just a couple days ago about this. My thoughts are that this actually very closely mirrors things that happen in the very end of the series.
it really feels like there are lots of things we get to WAFO !
Great thoughts, like Lauren said some people in the comments of his other small video had similar theories. Although you really should edit your comment with a spoiler warning and space gap for those who haven't read the later books in the series. ;)
@@amberantk1 it means Watch And Find Out! Back in the days when the books were not all yet written, people would ask Robert Jordan questions at book signings and he would often answer RAFO - Read And Find Out.
but that was a good guess!
Your explanations of quality issues sounds good to me. It makes me hopeful that the delay of Season 2 is there to give them time to improve writing and other quality issues.
I hope you're right.
I’m hoping you’re right. The season 2 teasers are dropping some tasty tidbits, that give me hope.
Phenomenal job as always!
You are the best of all explaining the scenes and comparing them with the books 😁 love you. Thanks much 😘💘😘💘
Love you!
I have also taken a break. Even from this channel and other WOT centric channels. Seeing this pop up in my feed was well timed. I’m ready to take some steps back.
Welcome home!
Your videos are awesome! I love this show. I’m hoping to see your video about Nynaeve and Lan❤
The Knot! You saw it! Even predicted 'the cure'! I suspected that her condition is not permanent, but you diagnosed it in detail. (Whithout the book source whatsoever). Awsome!
Great video as always.
OUTSTANDING video... Well put together & presented.....You touched on ALL of my issues....Thorough & succinct......*Chef's Kiss*.....TOP SHELF CONTENT
Thanks so much!
Well this is a lovely surprise to wake up to on my Saturday. Watching this with my breakfast. 😊
Love the video, well thought out as usual. Sooooo many ad breaks though, I feel like there was one every 5 minutes.
Oh sorry! I have adblocker so I forget about this. I think I can adjust it in the settings. Thanks for letting me know!
Might I recommend TH-cam Premium?
I would get it if I could afford it. Thanks for letting me know it exists though.
@@UnravelingthePattern No problem, thought you might not have noticed since this is not normal for your videos.
Remarkable video, as always. I agree with every single point you make. I too watched the show with a glass half-full approach and enjoyed it in many ways. I too was epically disappointed by the finale-not enough to stop watching, but with major cringe and concerns about how several of the choices they made are changes can’t be taken back.
Nevertheless, I have high hopes for future seasons!
My wife just finished the series (and immediately started in on a re-read haha!). She’s not big into TH-cam, but I’m going to recommend your videos for her, because yours are the absolute best.
Thank you! Onward and hopefully upward!
The book series is riddled with 'unreliable narrators.'
In the opening of episode 3 when they go into the pool of water, we see what looks to me like the full symbol. So i figured we had seen it long before the actual eye of the world scene
My major issues with the show have been:
-The Aes Sedai wearing dresses the color of their Ajah outside the tower. The whole point (especially for the reds) is to keep that a secret. Plus, it's insulting to the audience's intelligence, thinking they wouldn't be able to piece it together with good story telling/hinting by actions.
-Padan Fain being cool and calculating, as opposed to insane and unpredictable like he is in the books. He's supposed to be another form of evil almost in contrast to The Dark One, and changing him actually negated a lot of the amazing content they absolutely could've added into the show.
-Fal Dara: felt empty and small even before it was evacuated, and despite the fact that the Borderlanders are supposed to be experienced with the blight and its threats, they came across unprepared and completely incompetent. I know you mentioned covid and Amazon's reluctance to invest too much (shooting themselves in the foot), but it would've been preferrable to wait and put the show on hold, than to put out what they did. There is also ZERO reason to have the channelers go stand out in the middle of the desert, instead of on the battlements (just plain weird).
I dunno, there are a lot of things I really like about the show so far. The acting is phenomenal, the diversity is refreshing to see, and the set design and effects (minus the CGI Trollocs at the end) have been awesome. It just seems like the writing has been lazy/misguided, and a lot of changes have been made in the name of adaptation that really didn't need to be (would've taken the same resources and time to keep it similar to how it was already written, as well as being just as/if not less confusing too).
Just my personal opinion. I'll still watch season 2, but I've felt more disappointment than I anticipated so far.
Oh, and I don't know what it is, but Loial looks dumb as hell (Just the aesthetics, the actor is excellent). Lol
I honestly agree with a lot of your thoughts, though I'm not as strongly against any of it I think.
WOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!! Thanks for all you do for the fandom, Lauren, my spearbrother from another mother!
Your breakdown of imagery and symbols caused me to notice something I hadn’t before; Lews Therin’s Dragon pin on his coat is in the shape of the Dragon Fang. Does Latra Posae have a hidden Flame of Tar Valon on her?!?
I wondered that too. He did call her the 'Watcher of the Flame"
I have a theory about the five women taking out an army: they might be showing us two types of circles in the show. The "safe" circles, done the "proper" way, which we see in episode 4 when the Aes Sedai link to gentle Logain, which involves a buffer to keep the channelers from burning out, but allow for drawing less power. And the "unsafe" circle Amalisa did in episode 8, which seemed much more violent and uncontrolled (see the way she grabbed the power from each woman as opposed to the very structured way each Aes Sedai entered the link in episode 4). This kind of circle doesn't have a buffer and allows overdrawing, which magnifies the amount of power available by a lot, but also risks burning the channelers out.
The story of Eldrene tells us it's possible to accomplish massive feats of the power if you're willing to overdraw and die for it. (We also see some of this at the very end of the book series, but no spoilers). Amalisa was going in expecting to die slowing down the Trollocs as much as possible. She had no reason to do a "safe" circle (if she even knew how). She wanted to go nuclear, and for that she needed to overdraw as much as she possibly could. Her plan was to wait for the trollocs to get close enough and then turn into a literal bomb on their path. This is also why they couldn't be on the wall or in the city. She was planning to blow herself up all along, so she had to be in an open field to avoid human casualties.
Lastly, this doesn't worry me too much for consequences down the line, because there are few situations where a channeler blowing themselves up (or nearly) while completely ravaging the area around them would be much help to the heroes. There are always innocents and allies you want to avoid killing, and infrastructure you want to avoid destroying, not to mention you ideally don't want to burn yourself out either. Suicide bombers aren't applicable to most circumstances, if you're reasonable that is.
This is an interesting option that I wish they went with more explicitly in the episodes. It is not at all clear that Amalissa went in expecting to die and intended to either a) buy the city enough time to evacuate or b) take out as many Trollocs as possible in death.
There are only two wrinkles in this theory, from the way they wrote it in the episode:
a) Eldrene was in the city when she felt her husband die and killed the Trolloc army from there at a distance - burning out is not a bomb, it's a burn up from the inside, so the women did not need to be in an open field to face the Trolloc army
b) Amalissa and the circle killed the Trolloc army fully with one lady burning out, and only then overdrew the power and burned out herself and the grey-haired lady. If they wanted to sell it in the episode, Amalissa should have burnt herself out in a final act of sacrifice to kill the army, instead of basically overdosing after the fact.
@@wotfanedit Eldrene was in an *empty* city. So she didn't have to worry about killing people. And her death literally destroyed Manetheren and everything in a massive radius around it so it still goes in the "bomb" category in my mind.
I think the only reason Amalisa didn't burn out sooner is that she had two very powerful channelers in her circle. If it had just been her and the other two (which would have been the case if our heroes hadn't showed up) she would be long dead and would have done much less damage to the trolloc army, leaving the women on the city walls to deal with the rest using the ballistae they'd prepared.
But I agree we could have used some more clarity around all of it. The fact that we need explainer videos and headcanons to figure it out demonstrates that. They clearly were much more rushed with this episode than the others and weren't able to go through their usual process of getting feedback on the script, using a test audience, etc. I kinda suspect Amazon told Rafe "you get exactly enough money to shoot each scene once and then the season is done, oh and also you have two weeks to finish filming all of it." They had no wiggle room.
@@purpleajah7425 agreed, it feels likely that this episode was the most under pressure to finish. But it's disappointing that they could have written such a wobbly version in the first place. It wouldn't take very long to review the current version and tighten it up before shooting. Ah well, S2 doesn't have these issues so fingers crossed.
@@wotfanedit honestly, it feels like a regular first draft. It has issues but all first drafts do. They're supposed to go through a revision process and lots of changes and edits before anything gets filmed, let alone shows up on our screens. This feels like they had very little of that. And yes, rooting for season 2 to have more room to breathe and end up better all around!
I've only seen the show, but seen similair things in other shows where the books and show don't match up. It is frustrating. However, I must say that I absolutely adore this show.
Video muito bom e explicativo,parabéns pelo trabalho.
Really great break down. you have actually got me a bit hyped for season 2.
Real shame about the Nynaeve death fake-out, I sure hope they backpedal that with some dialogue in S2. Making it appear that Egwene healed death is the only truly unforgivable sin in Season 1.
Well done as usual. I have to agree that the show suffered greatly from COVID and the departure of Barney Harris. I almost wish they boxed the project up to resume once the quality of production, and the integrity of the story could be maintained. However, I am certain that the business side of the project put overwhelming pressure on the staff to put a bow on it. In this type of medium, there is no patch for later, unlike video games. Once the show is released, it's out and there's no going back. I agree that there will be some back-tracking and story patching done in subsequent seasons, but the damage of first impressions is still there. I will continue to watch the show, but I am a wot-nerd and will consume the product no matter what...for the most part. To conclude, I am an avid listener to the books. Listening to the books almost looped with the Expanse mixed in, and other title breaks, (listening to books is my go-to tinnitus therapy) I can safely say I have listened to them several dozen times. Even though the first book is the weakest of the magnum opus, it is still very good. Let's hope the sophomore season of the show progresses on the same scale.
I wish they had more of a sounding board internally for some of the fixes or changes they make that destabilize the story, like an editor for a writer. Someone that can look at what has been filmed prior to post production on a rolling basis and say we need to relook at this or redo this because of a, b and c reasons. before its done polished and posted as finished.
Excellent work, thankyou
Another FANTASTIC video!! (and not at all too long)
Thank you!
My favorite theory is that the dagger just happened to hit one of the books in loials coat pockets
There was blood on the dagger - my theory is that the evil of the dagger is the evil of HUMANS and won’t have the same effect on an Ogier.
Yes! His book armor protected him. It's way thicker than kevlar. The knife still went though, so he still got stabbed but only a little bit.
I thought you meant "plot armor" at first 😅. Also, there was a lot of blood on Padan Fain's knife after he stabbed Loial.
@@UnravelingthePattern plot armor made of books 😅
He was saved by the ink pot in his pocket that he is using to write his book so it's not blood it's ink on the dagger. I do remember him carrying that around in the books along with all of his history books
I hadn't counted the cracks! Fascinating
5:10 This portrait is amazing! Captures the essence of both book Nynaeve as well as show Nynaeve
Always a good day when you drop a new video. Top quality ad always! Hope to see you at WoTCon 2023.
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Thanks! I hope to be there too!
I really like your videos so far. I haven't seen many. I am a series watcher who just got into the first 3 books because of the series. Most of all of the other comments from book readers who watched the series were so negative and saidvthat the books and series were nothing alike. Tbe comments couldn't see the similarities and foreshadowing that the series had.
I also imagine that the show runners put those in because they didn't know if they would be allowed to continue the series. Being that the reaction was so negative they probably thought the series could be cancelled
I always said i wanted the WoT show to feel both familiar and surprising. Well, that's more or less exactly what i got, in both good ways and bad. I didn't hate episode 8, but it was absolutely the most disappointing from a book reader's perspective, and most of the bad seems to come from unforeseen production problems. I like the episode a bit more after watching this video. ❤
Good way to put it. Wanted more, but with Mat gone and I think Ingtar maybe as well impacted the finale.
Egwene curing death had nothing to do with Production. Woke politics.. Yup.
@@andrewfrank7222 how is healing death “woke”? I’d like you to give me the definition of WOKE if you don’t mind.
@@blackpyxy9583 Woke politics in regards to making movies defined as giving characters that are non white males beyond "Mary Sue" abilities, regardless of the sense it makes in the story. Death is NOT healed in the story, ever. The now dark skinned Egwene without training, recently even learning about the magic heals death almost immediately after learning about her ability.
"Health Death = Woke" is something ignorant you just said. Not me.
Making women vapid, infallible characters like Egwene, like Captain Marvel, like Rey is DIRECTLY influenced by the woke writers that crafted this nonsense.
I really appreciate this kind of deel dive! As a first time viewer of the show and someone who *had* no book knowledge, at the time.. I honestly just had such a hard time connecting to and understanding what motivated *most* of the characters throughout the whole season. And understanding the scope and significance of things in the world. And thus, didn't really *care* about what happened to anyone! Lol. It was so sad & frustrating because I have a good friend who loves the books and that made me very excited about discovering a new fantasy world I could fall in love with and enjoy with my friends! I mostly enjoyed both Rand & Egweyne. Those two portayals felt the most natural to me, perhaps. I really never felt the depth of any other character, save Matt perhaps. Not to compare the shows themselves, but this is what Game of Thrones did very well... they made me care about the people I was watching and understand how they would feel about the circumstances they were put in. They built up the world maybe more slowly, gradually, and in a way that was more effective overall in feeling connected to and understanding what was going on in the story. After the season ended, I decided to try the books because I wanted to know why my friend loves the series ~ and I knew it would likely be the more satisfying version of the story. Indeed, actually understanding who these people were and why what was happening in their world was significant was *much* clearer and made me actually care about them!!! That is all I want! Lol. So, I've rambled on long enough, but just wanted to share my experience with other viewers/readers. I hope the show does a better job filling out these characters and making this world feel like something I care about and want to protect with them. Rather than trying to compel me with a bunch of special effects and action that doesn't mean anything because I have no vested interest in the characters.. I honestly feel like I wouldn't mind if the show was overall a bit "slower" or "limited" in its scope. And built on to events and character moments in a similar way. Less "shock value" and more, "ahh, that makes sense, coming from them," moments. I'd rather wait years for a satisfying character moment, than get one right away that I don't understand or appreciate. Hope this wasn't too harsh!!!
Also...should I keep reading?? I loved *The Great Hunt,* it was so much fun.. but I'm kind of losing interest after *The Dragon Reborn?* Just curious if anyone has any specific words of affirmation or encouragement that might help me stick with it. There are some spectacular scenes I have enjoyed reading. But then some things feel... differently paced? Or weighed? Like there is a lot of disparity in what I view as significant to the story so far? Ok, now I'm really done. I apologize. Lol.
Is there an Ajah that talks too much? 🤔 😆
Haha, love everything! I'd say Ogier, not Aes Sedai talk too much, and they're my favorite! 😍 As for the books, yes, they slow down a bit after book 3, but IMO that's when they become even richer with characters and cultures and depth. For me, book 4 is one of the best, so I'd encourage you to push through. It starts a little slow but has some of the best moments in the series!
@UnravelingthePattern Omgsh, of course! You're so right about the Ogier. Hahaha! Love it. Looking forward to the unraveling of season 2! 🤞
Oh, and thank you for the push. I've been considering starting *The Shadow Rising,* perhaps when season 2 wraps! Hopefully, we see some improvements! 👋
Good work... bring on s2.
I just thought of something, maybe the statue was actually a ter'angreal, a large Well of pure Saidin. Moiraine wouldn't be able to tell of course. If DO manipulated Siuan to send Moiraine to EOTW and manipulated Moiraine to think the statue would help Rand win, it would be a very apt scriptwriting, afterall he is the Father of Lies.
The seals are not just Cuendillar but probably also a type of ter'angreal with dimensional properties because they can repel/seal the DO's power. And since they were created by the Dragon using untainted Saidin, maybe the first seal can only be fully broken by the Dragon using untainted Saidin, whereas tainted Saidin would be repelled by the Seal. Thus the DO has to manipulate events to make the Dragon Reborn come to the EOTW with pure Saidin. Not just any male channeler, only the Dragon Reborn, and he must be carrying a large enough Well of pure Saidin.
Imagine the seals as 7 layers of duct tape over the DO's prison, so after the first innermost seal breaks, the DO power can seep through it to contaminate and wear down the remaining seals.
I wish they had just filmed the Blight in a thick secondary rainforest but add fake toxi-looking fungi all over, and CGIed so that the greenery looks red and blue, and can move..
I wonder if the 'tell' that Nyn can follow has anything to do with residues of one power use Moiraine leaves. Lan would never have been aware.
What I loved most in this video was your bookending comparisons - superb!
Lastly, I reckon that if you look closely at the damane in that last shot you show, that thing in front of her mount is attached to a nose ring - you can see it if you pause. Do you think that's possible?
Yes, it's a septum piercing I think, similar to what we see in the S2 sneak peek.
@AbsentDay oh excellent point!
Yes, but Nynaeve didn't heal Moiraine with the One Power until after she tracked her. I like the idea that she tracked her by following channeling residue, but again, Lan wouldn't be able to do that.
It was a last minute rewrite due to COVID and they made a blunder. I think trying to retcon these explanations can get us more entangled than just writing it off and moving on with the show. Let's look forward in hope.
The thing I dislike about the show is that they are not elaborating key aspects of the lore. For example, what are the "ta'avern"? Who is a wolfbrother? Who are the builders or Ogiers? Why Moiraine can't teach Rand to channel? Why is Rand really mad at Moiraine and Egwene in the first few episodes? It's because he is skeptical of her and Egwene is just following her around like a lost puppy.
Book spoiler -> Rand is supposed to be stubborn and woolheaded and later in the book we find out Moiraine did give a silver coin to all the ta'avern to keep checks on them and make them compliant but it didn't affect Rand.
The whole concept of WoT surrounds the wheel , the threads and the pattern but the show surrounds everything around the Dragon.
Also, book spoiler -> the male Aes Sedai weren't arrogant. The creator or the heavens sealed the dark one in Shayol Ghul and the Foresaken 13 were able to make a hole in it through which Father of Lies was able to touch the pattern that the wheel was weaving. In order to patch that hole, the dragon took 99 warriors with him and succeeded in patching up the whole but ended up exposing the male half of power.
I think the lore needs to be more explicit here. Min only sees glimpses of the pattern as various images and not the future itself. Perrin felt like a waste of space in the show when he is a careful thinker in the book. The deliberate thought in counter to recklessness of Rand, Mat and Egwene. He is the one who stays much wary of Aes Sedai, especially since Moiraine doesn't trust wolfbrothers.
Great insight. I agree with everything you said. I hope they can help explain things better and readjust to some degree. Hopefully since the whole "who is the Dragon?" mystery is done things will align with the books better.
"Foresaken 13 were able to make a hole in it through which Father of Lies was able to touch the pattern that the wheel was weaving. In order to patch that hole, the dragon took 99 warriors with him and succeeded in patching up the whole but ended up exposing the male half of power."
The hole was drilled by actual Aes Sedai who thought they had discovered a new power source. I understood it was an honest mistake? Again, unreliable narrators, as Leanfear was one of the leading people on the project; she wasn't yet (known to be) Forsaken at that point.
@20:30 - About Moiraine being whipped by that older Aes Sedai to break her block.
I guess the Aes Sedai could think she was not attacking but teaching Moiraine, but I'm curious how she got around "Not use the One Power as a Weapon"-oath. I guess she just did not consider it an attack.
They do it in the Tower all the time. Switching and hurting Novices. I suppose they think it's for their own good and so they think they're not actually harming anyone.
One change I didn't like is that, in the books, it isn't possible to burn out when linked in a circle, for any of the channelers involved. Also, female channelers surrender to the power, like Egwene did in the river, but men have to seize and control it.
I rethought the burnout thing, I think the show has modified the magic setting to allow an untrained new channeller to channel up to his full strength without being harmed (which seems to be also what RJ was thinking in book 1 considering how much saidin Rand pulled into himself, more than Aginor), but a inadequately trained channeller is highly likely to lose control of the flows, or getting addicted and drawing in past his limit. This also means that linking is a much more risky endeavor than in the books, as the OP embraced will be much higher than what the lead channeler is used to resisting.
The use of “mostly dead” 🤣🤣🤣
I always had the feeling that the Eye of the World was intended as a stand alone book that morphed into a series of books, his later books reminded me of the old magazine serial stories, where each month you go one chapter of three or four books. He did a wonderful job, but sometimes having six main characters all on their own trajectories must have been a real challenge.
Au contraire! That must have been a blast for the author!
I just wonder what we would have gotten if production went as planned.
Probably killed Rand off and transferred his soul into Morraine as the new Dragon.
Only the training of the woman 'steering' a circle is relevant...all the other channelers in the circle are just batteries. Amelisa is a full accepted and quite old, and, being a Sheinaran and sister of Lord Aglemar, she had the ability to choose her own studies, and plenty of reason to focus all her time studying on magic that will defeat shadowspawn. So even though her power was weak, she could be as trained as any battle-worn Green. In fact, she might be more used to doing more with less. The only hint before the battle of her skill was in fire, which is a combat magic.
Good thoughts! I could be inclined to believe this.
Interesting thoughts... linking is as you say, and as for the rest, a toned down version of what you suggest is certainly plausible. Without teachers, peers, the Tar Valon library, etc., she wouldn't get as far as a Green Sister, but she could certainly have learned some battle weaves by her own study since leaving the tower.
@@davidlovesyeshua She was trained and an Accepted in the Tower. She had teachers, peers, and access to the Tar Valon library for as long as she chose to stay there before she left because she couldn't take the test. And all that time, she had reason to want to focus on anti-Shadowspawn magic. Though she could have worked on it on her own afterwards.
@@jeannekalvar9504 She spent a much smaller number of years failing to achieve sufficient mastery to become a full sister. Actual sisters obviously succeed and then go on to spend many more years continuing to learn and acquire knowledge, skills and power with access to greater resources, help and freedom than she had even when she was still an accepted. Although you're right that she potentially focused more of her efforts on anti-Shadowspawn knowledge/techniques than most Greens.
@@davidlovesyeshua Book Spoilers: Moiraine left the Tower the day after she became Aes Sedai, and from then on had no more access to training or the Libraries or anything than Amelisa did. Yet I doubt anyone would consider her untrained. Amelisa was weaker, but there is no reason she couldn't have spent as long as Moiraine training or even longer. Accepted choose their own studies and they are not put out normally due to strength...novices who are truly not strong enough are put out long before then. Maybe Amelisa was just not strong enough to do some of the 100 weaves. We don't know.
I wish there had been more focus on the dreams. I realize they were trying to surprise everyone with who the dragon was....but because they did that, there were a lot of plot points missing because they tried so hard to keep it a secret.
I guess you have to make some major sacrifices to be funded by Amazon. It's a shame they couldn't make the show more meaningful because of that. I think Amazon is at fault there. You greatly limit such a huge story to be safe, but when you do that, you get another situation like The Dark Crystal. Sometimes, it pays to be risky.
By the way I'm pretty sure we got confirmation that they shot the Gitara cold open. The decision not to use it came pretty late in the process. I think it's the scene Rosamund Pike was referring to when she called into the Dusty Wheel that one time and talked about a scene they filmed early on, but ended up being cut, which really helped her understand Moiraine and where she was coming from.
Good memory! I couldn't remember if it was shot or not. I hope they still use it in the future!
@@UnravelingthePattern me too! Or at least show it to us lol
I still think that at the end of the 7th age. The dark one finally wins creating a big bang to end time. But in that moment the creator seals the dark one outside of time. Again. To restart the 1st age. Great vid by the way.
Interesting idea! Thanks!
Lauren your meme game was on point for this video !!
Great video, and there was just too much wrong with Episode 8. Send this link straight to Rafe.
@17:25 - About the Dark one telling Rand to surrender to Saidin.
That is the complete opposite of what he should do! Surrendering to Saidin is a sure way to get your soul swept away!
They even mention this in one of the Origin shorts, that men must sieze the power, wrestle it and dominate it.
Maybe he was telling Rand to surrender to the taint.
A possible get-out-of-jail-free card they can play for Egwene healing when she's not supposed to have much ability there is the weave imprinting explanation (doing a weave one way first makes you less proficient at it if you try to learn it another way, see Aviendha).
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I disagree on Moiraine being unsure about whether the Dragon Reborn would be male or female, but only in the book lore because the Foretelling of Gitara Moroso was different than in the pilot script (and obviously missing in the show). You could argue that all the male pronouns were referring to the Dragon rather than the actual baby lying in the snow, but I think it is highly suggestive.
Also, Nynaeve specifies that Moiraine wanted to know whether any of the boys had been born outside the Two Rivers in Baerlon.
I think that they're going to power up Fain's dagger to show his increasing abilities over time in the series. The whole insta-death thing isn't demonstrated until the second book anyway and it only really becomes important much later in the books.
It's probably good to remember that in the books the seals were weakening, and Forsaken being released, BEFORE Rand channels at the Eye and they find the first broken Seal (we will call this one Schrodinger's Seal, because we don't know if it was whole or broken before Rand channels at the Eye), with Aginor and Balthamel appearing bodily there.
I don't think the books suggest Rand's activity at the Eye particularly aids the release of the Forsaken, but was instead the first necessary step on his path towards the Last Battle.
Book Spoiler a bit: I really prefer the Rand/Dark One ending in the show. The book is cool, but Rand is so overpowered and doing things he doesn’t learn for a few books. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense. This ending of the show though has such a great similarity to the ending of the series…. It just fits really well.
I am not fond of the 5 girls vs trollocs….. I do like that they removed the “safety” of a circle. I like the risk it adds to it, and how difficult it could be to trust someone in control of a circle.
Sure there were problems, but I still love it! Can’t wait for more!
Fantastic video. I can’t believe I watched the show four times without catching any of the parallels 🤦🏻♀️ I feel like an idiot but your video was amazing. We need to forgive the covid rewrite debacle and trust them for the future. I feel if the show going forward has the quality of the first 6 episodes of this season then it will be a great adaptation.
I agree and hope you're right!
Minor Spoilers: Disagree on Rand’s destroying the Trollocs at Tarwins Gap doesn’t make sense.
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It’s paralleled in Book 3 (I think) when he’s getting Callandor and summons a One-Power-Construct to search and destroy the trollocs in the castle, which he’s never able to do again - because those were things Lews Therin could do, not something Rand ever learned how to do - unlike Balefire, which he eventually masters (much to the chagrin of Lanfear, and the detriment of Rahvin). So when he destroys the Trollocs in Book 1 it’s essentially the same thing - those were Lews Therin’s abilities, which he wouldn’t have been able to access before the events at the Eye, much like he wasn’t able to do the things at Falme until he let Lews Therin back in.
Also: pretty sure that’s not the Dark One, that’s Ishamael. We should see that confirmed in Season 2 (assuming they end with the Horn at Falme and the battle in the sky).
This is a spoiler-free video for non book readers. I know it's not the Dark One. I still think people who complain about the girls at the end forget about Rand in the end of EotW. That said, I agree that Rand has better reason to do things that he wasn't trained to do. Remember though, it was Amalisa who did everything, not the Two Rivers girls. She had some training but had never had access to that much of the Power before.
Thank you again for the unwaveringly exceptional quality of your content. Whenever I get a notification for your channel, I can't wait to find the time to watch it properly (and yes, these videos are very long and for a good reason).
One point I didn't see mentioned about the quasi-wokeness of the series being at odds with the spirit of the books is how most male characters are near useless at this point, especially compared to their female counterparts. I am behind the idea that the post-Breaking world is not exactly a matriarchal society, but women do tend to have larger say in matters in general because men are not to be trusted after the Breaking. It's a change, but it fits nicely. The major male characters failing and women consistently saving their bacon AFTERWARDS is something else. It is in the spirit of Jordan's work (and my personal worldview, if that matters at all) that men and women are natural allies, even when disagreeing sometimes because of different perspectives. But a bunch of men dying for no apparent purpose on the wall of the Gap and then, separately, a grand total of five semi-trained (Amalissa) and basically untrained (the others) women making mincemeat out of a whole Trolloc/Fade army? This, beyond possibly being a message for the audience, is simply bad writing, namely we need the men to do something obviously unwise so we can have the female channelers do their thing. Imagine Amalissa and Agelmar side by side on the wall, her blasting away at the Trollocs possibly linked but not needing to draw dangerous amounts of the Power. That makes a lot more sense, doesn't it? I don't mind changing stuff, even for possible political messages (I cannot be sure, so I won't insist it's just woke writing) but do it professionally, not at the expense of the writing. Make it look and sound good, respect the audience.
No matter how disappointing I was with the last episode of the first season. I’m still grateful that they are trying to adapt this challenging source material. D and D from Game of Thrones ruined that series for me, but I think it was because the ending was incomplete and so they got to steal it. No matter what happens with the wheel of time I will always love the books. Even if the show isn’t a good show hopefully it will encourage more people to appreciate the books. So far season two is much better and I hope they will continue to improve
My biggest issue with the finale is besides the thematic choice which made Lews Therin attack out of hubris and not desperation, they had 5 half trained women destroy an army of trollocs and myrdral so therefore the white tower should have the power with circles of 13 and angreal clear all trollocs out of rand land.
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I may be in the minority, but I think the pacifier-looking mouth gags are a great choice. They show how the Seanchan dehumanizes the damane without the triggering leashes that will rub most people the wrong way. They are also more practical and won’t interfere in scenes.
I think they are not held by the mouth, but suspended in front of the mouth from a septum piercing. I'm sure we will find out more on this in S2
It looks like based on S2 teaser trailers and whatnot that it will still be bracelets/collars, just without the leashes, and with the collars being much larger/more exaggerated almost like a piece of armor. Which is all fine, like you said leashes could be weird to some people for kink or whatever reasons, and it could make scenes more difficult to shoot. The visual "exaggeration" compared to the books is following the same theme that Aes Sedai rings/Ajah color clothing has had so far, just a minor difference for adaptation purposes.
@@davidlovesyeshua I feel like there are some weird design choices made with the a'dam and how we perceive the meaning of it. Making the a'dam look more like a piece of armour and not having a physical leash removes some visual cues from being a slave/animal/submissive. Possibly it's done to desexualise the damane for the viewers, and perhaps as a result of this design the mouthpiece was added to add a more oppressive feeling.
@@monsterlair I think putting collars and leashes would have started a lot of conversations no one wants to go into. Same as them changing taint to corruption in my opinion.
@@Arezoo298195 I for one would love to go into those conversations 😄
When u talk about lan not being able to track her down. Im pretty sure its explained in the books he doesnt really need to "track" her because when people are bonded they can just tell which direction they are if theyre separated
Hmm, touche.
except that he is removing evidence of his and her passing so that other people who are not bonded to either of these two people, cannot tell that they or anyone passed through an area. they want to leave no evidence of where they have been or where they are going.
SPOILER: At 20:26, in the books, Moiraine has no block preventing her from channeling. The Aes Sedai that had a block that was removed by beating was another (it is described in the book Lord of Chaos, in the chapter Under the Dust).
I also think that the Sa'angreal was actually a Ter'angreal and was the method for accessing the pool of saidin that the male channellers died to create. We know Aes Sedai don't fully understand them, and as it's Saidin related Moiraine wouldn't have known it wasn't a Sa'angreal
I personally think the changes made to what happened at the Eye of the World, and in particular the events that led Rand there, were significant improvements over what happened in the book. It's clear that the entire quest was being directed by the Dark One (who clearly sent Siuan those dreams), and it was very much a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation: any possible outcome would be a victory for the Shadow. Much better than the book, which was just confusing and didn't have much in the way of actual consequences going forward (because Jordan didn't know where things were headed at that point).
The battle at Tarwin's Gap, on the other hand, was kind of terrible. But I'm willing to accept that at least 75% of that terribleness came from production limitations imposed by COVID-19 restrictions and losing Barney Harris. I almost want Season 2 to ignore certain elements of that battle, so we can pretend that it was handled better. At the very least, they shouldn't consider themselves constrained by what occurred and forced to carry it forward even as budgets and writing improves: just as the first book had unexplained weirdness that was quietly dropped going forward, the show can and should do the same.
I agree 100% with everything you said.
yeah, I feel this was a little less confusing than the EOTW ending and had more punch to the stakes
You took the words straight out of my brain and captured them in an eloquent comment. They should not invest any more time explaining dead end ideas. Let's just cut our losses and get on with the story.
I hated that episode at the time but like it better after watching it again. Hearing that Mat might have been intended to stay in Fal Dara and be the one to confront Fain, and Perrin meant to use his wolf nose to take Lan to Moiraine changed a lot of what I felt. Perrin’s uselessness was so frustrating. Having Perrin lead Lan would have been better. Lots of small things like Nynaeve saying Moiraine had a tell (which is BS) wouldn’t not have rubbed me the wrong way. I had no problem with the scene of the women channeling existing, except I thought it very badly written and directed. You said “clunky” and I agree with that. Also the fake deaths of Loial (withe dagger????!!!) and Agelmar? and Nynaeve healed accidentally by Egwene really irked me. That prologue bothered because the actors had zero chemistry and I thought it would have been better to do the real prologue of EOTW to help us see Rand in a new way. I don’t mind the shielding of Moiraine and I actually liked the ending better than the book. But I agree with weird pacing. Too much time taken with Rand’s Egwene vision. The blight was super cool and I didn’t mind the Trollocs being CGI that much. A lot of what you suggested would have taken a lot more time. I just would have rearranged and rewritten it. Of course that is much easier to do in hindsight.
Watching to get ready for S2. You have the most generous interpretation I’ve seen so far. My biggest worry is that you are incorrect about the 2 halves of the power, thought Rafe had said he doesn’t like the gendered magic system. This forces the madness to have something more to do with men than the power. Curious how this will play out. Genuinely hope you’re right.
They have said the WoT Origins short episodes are "canon" and one is about saidar and saidin. The two halves are definitely in it.
@@UnravelingthePattern thank you for that. And very good job on your explanation videos.
Thanks!
Never occurred to me before, but I wonder if there's a connection between Moiraine's oft-mocked "rumors of ta'veren" and Fain's very confident "you're ta'veren, all five of you." If HE knows they are, having traveled around the Two Rivers for years and years, maybe that information leaked.
I don't see any story reason why Fain would leak that information, though.
If there were rumors of ta'veren somewhere, it would be a magnet for Aes Sedai which wouldn't be helpful if you're planning to attack the place.
Perhaps you could explain this as a master plan to get an Aes Sedai to come for the Dragon Reborn and take him to the Eye of the World, but that would be relatively clumsy in comparison because they'd be waiting for an Aes Sedai to turn up while Fain is there to launch the attack.
A pretty simple explanation would be that someone who wanted Moraine to find Rand and bring him to the eye, "leaked" that "information"
I honestly hope this is explained. And this is the best reason for that weird line that I've heard so far.
My gripe with s01 was that it thought it was smarter than it ended up being. Themes were shallow, and were only covered up by average acting. None of the actors were able to really seize the screen with their performances because the writing and direction were so weak. Really felt like the writers didn't have faith in the story, so they add a bunch of bloated dialogue and shots l, and it just comes off as forced. Really hope they took a step back to self-evaluate before writing s02.
I didn't have a problem with most of the acting but I think this is a very fair criticism. I too hope the writing improves and that everything else will be elevated because of that.
So major spoiler warning for later books:
I think @unravellingthepattern I think the comment about egwene's past life potentially being Latra could be considered a major spoiler...?
I hope nobody gets spoiled by that! To be fair, it's not ever actually mentioned in the books. It's only speculation on my part. But I suppose you're right that some people might perceive it that way. 😬
I know Rafe has said calling Lews the "Dragon Reborn" in the cold open scene was intentional so here's my thoughts. I'll add a few rows here in case of spoilers and such. Spoilers for books 4 and on, I guess?
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Anyway, my theory is that this scene may have happened, but not quite in the way we see it. Unreliable narrator being a key theme of WoT. I wonder if it is a corruption of Rand's memories due to his having Lews Therin's voice/memories in his head - the same way that he remembers things about the forsaken that he can't possibly know from his current rebirth. I think we might see more of this kind of corrupted memory in season 2 and beyond.
I love this theory! Also, I just want to thank you for going back and watching some of my other vids! 🥰😊
And why didnt moraine not tell rand that the reason she couldn't teach him how to use the power is because a female channeled can't teach a male
I agree. I wish they had said that in the show.
I think if Barney had been in the show until the end, Mat would have kept the dagger, with Moiraine claiming he couldn't be fully separated from it yet (just like in the book). Fain would then steal it from him at Fal Dara, paralleling their exchange in episode 1.
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I suspect this is also why Loial got stabbed. Without Mat needing the dagger back to complete the healing, they needed a different reason for our main characters to chase after it, and it had to be just as life-or-death. I suspect they'll need the dagger to fully heal Loial and he will help them find it like Mat did in the books.
I thought this too, but we'll just have to wait and see. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ogier actually figure out how to fully heal Loial without the dagger.
@@UnravelingthePattern That would be fun because it means we get to see a Stedding! 😍
As it regards the prologue scene, I was really pissed at first that they cut it then I realised why they did it. You couldn't start the series with it as it would spoil a certain reveal. I really do hope they show it though once certain things have happened
Wait, what reveal does it spoil?
I'm assuming they're talking about the true identity of Ishamael.
5 words: The babies were the same! 🤯
35:55 i think that Davram Bashere will be replaced by Lord Agelmar
Definitely possible.