Really like how the show is emphasizing that the different factions in the tower are fighting over Nynaeve and trying to figure out how to use her to their own ends. That makes her a parallel to Rand in a way that wasn't really emphasized in the books.
oooh love the flame reaching out to Egwene - the flame yes! great break down, well worth waiting for - we are with you regardless of how much time you need.
Welcome back. Better later than never. Stretch Armstrong. You are the dating yourself with that reference. The speech Nynaeve gives when she thinks she exits the 3rd arch is basically the same speech she gives in a later book under different circumstances (but with the same meaning intended).
For the third arch, according to an interview with Sharon (costume boss lady), the jacket Nynaeve has is embroidered with botanical drawing styles of medicinal plants in WoT books; so your observation about being crimson roots is partially right 👍 The interview is on 'The road to Tar Valon' podcast or YT channel. The details are amazing in costuming this season!!!
Prime knows how much I’ve watched this episode, tears every time the actors are sooo goood. Your analysis so good you’ve turned me into a book reader. Thank you.
I suggest every book lovers and show lovers should subscribe this channel. Lauren you are amazing and also your videos. It's pretty clear that you are very observing About Wheel Of time you help me to find out even the little clues that has showed in the show. Can't wait for your next videos.
Your analysis is so good and just adds an incredible depth to the show. Sometimes on my first few watches of each episode I feel like they are missing and changing things, but your detailed analysis reminds me of all the layers to both the book and show. you, much like Perrin, forge something even more impressive out of these seemingly separate pieces. Glad to see you back making content
Thanks so much! People who say the show is "trash" or that it's terrible really don't look very closely. I hope I'm able to bring light to the good bits of the show.
Welcome back! Thank you for this excellent breakdown of this episode. I'd not noticed the different vases or that she somehow brought the Hidari through the arch, which she shouldn't have done. Looking forward to your next release
I’ve missed your videos, and have been so involved with my grandkids and current binge watching of all of and Star Trek and Ertugrul that I have barely watched any TH-cam.
Love this, thank you! Nynaeve's mother at 16:10 gives major Birgitte vibes I also have a theory about Nynaeve (which I have not finished reading the books, so I don't know if this theory ever ends up being truth later on - no spoilers!) One of the changes between the books and the show was the number of Taveren from the Two Rivers. In the books, only the 3 boys were mentioned initially as being Taveren, but the change to make Nynaeve and Egwene also taveren is something I can agree with whole heartedly as a book reader, even early on. My theory is that Nynaeve is Queen Eldrene of Menetheren reborn.
Won't spoil either, no worries, that's one of the traits I love about this fandom, we love theories so much that it would nearly spoil OURSELVES more than new readers! 😂 Anyway, my observation is that I thought the show had only made 4 Taveren, not 5. And tbh, even though I know Jordan specifically answered that Egwene is NOT, in my head, even in the book, she IS. And I hate the debates trying to imply that if she was indeed, it would remove her agency, yet the same ppl think it's alright for the boys to be and still let them retain their own agency. Won't say more here, for fear of bringing haters to Lauren's channel, but yes, overall, I'm glad that Taveren in the show is not restricted to the boys!
Im just excited to get s3 and see how the adapt the Battle of the Two Rivers. I always love watching these. Even if youre way off base, its fun theorizing
Commenting for the algorithm. Haven't been on my WoT account for months but getting back into the S2 fan edit so this was a timely drop for research purposes 😉
@UnravelingthePattern I'm glad you liked it. Feel free to use it if it ever seems like you have a place for it. What part of the ending are you referring to may I ask?
@UnravelingthePattern oh hahahaha. How very self-centred of me 😅 The end is heartbreaking. I loved watching it with my non reader partner because I lied that Nynaeve did die like that, so he was happy crying that she was alive, but it was also traumatic.
Lauren, I love your productions, and that is why I am a low level Patreon supporter of yours. I am going to post "my story" about S2 here - I've not posted it anywhere before. I'm a huge LoTR & WoT fan, read both over and over again. I liked S1. I was not wild about it, for much the same reasons as many: the changes to Perrin & Mat. But the actors, acting, sets, and costumes were just fantastic. S2 had several simply fantastic episodes, like 10/10, in mid-season. I didn't care for the Moiraine/Lan plot (along with lots of us). It used up time better spent - but I can understand you want to have your biggest-name actors active. Then came E8. Watching it, it was thrilling. "OK, OK, I said. I guess that works." But on reflection, now E8 is my least favorite. AT THE VERY LEAST it should have been two hours. They just miraculously skipped over huge plot points and ruined others. It was just too much content to put into one hour - and that made me look back at all the time they wasted in earlier episodes. I have great hopes for S3. I hope it's good and true enough to even win over some of the "bookcloaks." Hey, thanks! I hope to see my "Easter Egg" I provided to you regarding Rand and his killed opponents kneeling before him. :)
Thank you for sharing! I pretty much agree with you 100%, although I don't think E8 is my least favorite of S2, but it's definitely lower on my list. I don't know why but E4 is my personal least favorite. I'm actually looking forward to digging in deeper and making my unraveled video about it. S3 is going to be AMAZING!
My theory is that the arch worlds are dream worlds constructed in TAR, and the person going through enters TAR in the flesh, but then leave their bodies behind in TAR before their spirit enters the dream world to a randomly shallow degree. Thus their sense of the one power in the dreamworld is very weak, so most never manage to channel, and even if they do manage to channel, it is too weak to influence the arches. Because their bodies are left behind in the TAR, the bodies don't age at the same rate as the time that passes within the dreamworld, but can die of thirst and hunger within a few days if the novice does not leave the dreamworld The degree to which their spirit enters determines how much of that injury is transferred back to their bodies when they leave. Nynaeve is however, can hold so much one power, that even though she only entered the dreamworld shallowly, she still channelled enough in the end that the power explosion charged up the arch again. Something like that: Real world arch room --> Real world Arch --> TAR arch room (filled with dried corpses of failed novices) --> TAR arch --> dream world.
Yeah I know that in the books, Nynaeve seemed to have drawn on some innate Dreamwalker talent to force the arch back, but I think RJ changed his mind in book 3 and gave the Dreamwalker talent to Egwene instead.
I love this idea, and I think I agree. I can't wait to discuss T'A'R more once it's discussed more in the show. I do mention it a bit in my S2E5 breakdown, but left it out here because it hasn't really been discussed in the show yet.
So, you *ABANDONED US* for "your teenage kids"? Are you sure you were not deceived by the *Arches?* I will need you to swear on the veracity of your claims on the *Oath Rod!* 🛞
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Really like how the show is emphasizing that the different factions in the tower are fighting over Nynaeve and trying to figure out how to use her to their own ends. That makes her a parallel to Rand in a way that wasn't really emphasized in the books.
Great point!
oooh love the flame reaching out to Egwene - the flame yes!
great break down, well worth waiting for - we are with you regardless of how much time you need.
Exactly ❣
Another sign I missed. Thanks for pointing it out
Welcome back. Better later than never.
Stretch Armstrong. You are the dating yourself with that reference.
The speech Nynaeve gives when she thinks she exits the 3rd arch is basically the same speech she gives in a later book under different circumstances (but with the same meaning intended).
Yay! Welcome back! I can't wait for more of these videos.
For the third arch, according to an interview with Sharon (costume boss lady), the jacket Nynaeve has is embroidered with botanical drawing styles of medicinal plants in WoT books; so your observation about being crimson roots is partially right 👍
The interview is on 'The road to Tar Valon' podcast or YT channel.
The details are amazing in costuming this season!!!
@@anaritamarcal1626 awesome, thanks for the info!
Finntastic stuff - thank you Lauren - remember you owe me nothing yet I am still so grateful for all you do release - Tai'shar
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Prime knows how much I’ve watched this episode, tears every time the actors are sooo goood. Your analysis so good you’ve turned me into a book reader. Thank you.
So glad to hear it! How far along in the books are you?
Just started with ‘Eye of the world’. Super fun.
@space-person fun! Enjoy the ride. The Eye of the World is often regarded as his weakest book? So it just gets better and better!
@@UnravelingthePattern Thank you, I will.
I suggest every book lovers and show lovers should subscribe this channel. Lauren you are amazing and also your videos. It's pretty clear that you are very observing About Wheel Of time you help me to find out even the little clues that has showed in the show. Can't wait for your next videos.
@@maheshudayanga728 thank you for your kind words!
Your analysis is so good and just adds an incredible depth to the show. Sometimes on my first few watches of each episode I feel like they are missing and changing things, but your detailed analysis reminds me of all the layers to both the book and show. you, much like Perrin, forge something even more impressive out of these seemingly separate pieces. Glad to see you back making content
Thanks so much! People who say the show is "trash" or that it's terrible really don't look very closely. I hope I'm able to bring light to the good bits of the show.
Aaaand I'm crying again. This episode was so good!
Welcome back! Thank you for this excellent breakdown of this episode. I'd not noticed the different vases or that she somehow brought the Hidari through the arch, which she shouldn't have done. Looking forward to your next release
I'm so glad you're back! You've been missed! ❤
I loved this breakdown! Looking forward for the next (no pressure though)
I watched it. Then I watched it again. And I will watch it at least once more. Simply amazing!
Amazing insight on the stylings on the arches. I never would have connected those dots!
YAAA! So glad youre back! Cant wait for the next one!
This is really good. Great work!
Just reminds me that Nynaeve is my fav gal; shes the parallel of Perrin (my fav character).
Omg, it's the best Monday morning in months! You're back! Thank you for your work and your wonderful videos.
You are so welcome! I'm so happy to be back!
I’ve missed your videos, and have been so involved with my grandkids and current binge watching of all of and Star Trek and Ertugrul that I have barely watched any TH-cam.
Great breakdown, and a really good observation on the patterns of the three arches!
Love this, thank you!
Nynaeve's mother at 16:10 gives major Birgitte vibes
I also have a theory about Nynaeve (which I have not finished reading the books, so I don't know if this theory ever ends up being truth later on - no spoilers!) One of the changes between the books and the show was the number of Taveren from the Two Rivers. In the books, only the 3 boys were mentioned initially as being Taveren, but the change to make Nynaeve and Egwene also taveren is something I can agree with whole heartedly as a book reader, even early on. My theory is that Nynaeve is Queen Eldrene of Menetheren reborn.
Great theories/thoughts! I won't spoil it for you, but I love when people theorize like this! That's what makes WoT so great❤
Won't spoil either, no worries, that's one of the traits I love about this fandom, we love theories so much that it would nearly spoil OURSELVES more than new readers! 😂
Anyway, my observation is that I thought the show had only made 4 Taveren, not 5. And tbh, even though I know Jordan specifically answered that Egwene is NOT, in my head, even in the book, she IS. And I hate the debates trying to imply that if she was indeed, it would remove her agency, yet the same ppl think it's alright for the boys to be and still let them retain their own agency.
Won't say more here, for fear of bringing haters to Lauren's channel, but yes, overall, I'm glad that Taveren in the show is not restricted to the boys!
Im just excited to get s3 and see how the adapt the Battle of the Two Rivers.
I always love watching these. Even if youre way off base, its fun theorizing
Thank you! S3 will be AWESOME!
Probably my favorite episode of WOT. They really translated the tests into a gripping and emotional set of scenes. Heartbreaking acting as well. 😭
I agree. I think it's my favorite of the show, though E206 gives it a run for its money.
Commenting for the algorithm. Haven't been on my WoT account for months but getting back into the S2 fan edit so this was a timely drop for research purposes 😉
This is why I believe that the show is very good !
And sir you are amazing I have goosebumps ❤ love this page and wheel of time
Excellent commentary! I like how you point out the way the show's themes and beats are similar to the books.
Thanks!
Thanks for all of your hard work; all of your videos are amazing! ❤
My pleasure. Thank you for watching! 🥰
I love the in-depth, spoiler-lite breakdowns!
I enjoy these breakdowns. Glad you took your time.
Wow, best episode review of all.
Wonderful as always! Glad to see you have some time again and maybe overcome some burnout?
Thank you! It's good to be back! I hope it lasts 🙏
I really enjoyed your breakdown/review! It was really nice to go back to that world for a bit. Thank you for putting the time in.
Well worth the wait! Thanks for this.
also I love the breakdown of the arches
Where is the second video on episode 3, related to the other characters in the episode? 😭 Your breakdowns are SO good!!!
It's coming! Life is busy!
@@UnravelingthePatternNo worries. ☺️ I can’t wait to watch them! Thanks for all you do! 👍🏻
This is so excellent Lauren! Great job!
I appreciate it so much! 🥰 Thank you
I’ve missed your videos!
I’d love a video about the black tour, with a map and a better description of the place.
Love your content as always Lauren! Keep up the great work 😊
Welcome back ❣
Aaaaand I'm bawling my eyes out again...
You're welcome ;)
Ah, my favourite episode. I even wrote a song about it 😂
@@LloydBaron it really was great! The ending gets me every time!
@UnravelingthePattern I'm glad you liked it. Feel free to use it if it ever seems like you have a place for it. What part of the ending are you referring to may I ask?
The ending of the episode makes me cry every time, but I love your video too! 🥰
@UnravelingthePattern oh hahahaha. How very self-centred of me 😅 The end is heartbreaking. I loved watching it with my non reader partner because I lied that Nynaeve did die like that, so he was happy crying that she was alive, but it was also traumatic.
@@LloydBaron Oh no, haha. I can't believe you lied like that, lol.
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Lauren, I love your productions, and that is why I am a low level Patreon supporter of yours. I am going to post "my story" about S2 here - I've not posted it anywhere before. I'm a huge LoTR & WoT fan, read both over and over again.
I liked S1. I was not wild about it, for much the same reasons as many: the changes to Perrin & Mat. But the actors, acting, sets, and costumes were just fantastic.
S2 had several simply fantastic episodes, like 10/10, in mid-season. I didn't care for the Moiraine/Lan plot (along with lots of us). It used up time better spent - but I can understand you want to have your biggest-name actors active. Then came E8. Watching it, it was thrilling. "OK, OK, I said. I guess that works." But on reflection, now E8 is my least favorite. AT THE VERY LEAST it should have been two hours. They just miraculously skipped over huge plot points and ruined others. It was just too much content to put into one hour - and that made me look back at all the time they wasted in earlier episodes.
I have great hopes for S3. I hope it's good and true enough to even win over some of the "bookcloaks." Hey, thanks! I hope to see my "Easter Egg" I provided to you regarding Rand and his killed opponents kneeling before him. :)
Thank you for sharing! I pretty much agree with you 100%, although I don't think E8 is my least favorite of S2, but it's definitely lower on my list. I don't know why but E4 is my personal least favorite. I'm actually looking forward to digging in deeper and making my unraveled video about it. S3 is going to be AMAZING!
My theory is that the arch worlds are dream worlds constructed in TAR, and the person going through enters TAR in the flesh, but then leave their bodies behind in TAR before their spirit enters the dream world to a randomly shallow degree. Thus their sense of the one power in the dreamworld is very weak, so most never manage to channel, and even if they do manage to channel, it is too weak to influence the arches.
Because their bodies are left behind in the TAR, the bodies don't age at the same rate as the time that passes within the dreamworld, but can die of thirst and hunger within a few days if the novice does not leave the dreamworld
The degree to which their spirit enters determines how much of that injury is transferred back to their bodies when they leave.
Nynaeve is however, can hold so much one power, that even though she only entered the dreamworld shallowly, she still channelled enough in the end that the power explosion charged up the arch again.
Something like that: Real world arch room --> Real world Arch --> TAR arch room (filled with dried corpses of failed novices) --> TAR arch --> dream world.
Yeah I know that in the books, Nynaeve seemed to have drawn on some innate Dreamwalker talent to force the arch back, but I think RJ changed his mind in book 3 and gave the Dreamwalker talent to Egwene instead.
I love this idea, and I think I agree. I can't wait to discuss T'A'R more once it's discussed more in the show. I do mention it a bit in my S2E5 breakdown, but left it out here because it hasn't really been discussed in the show yet.
So, you *ABANDONED US* for "your teenage kids"?
Are you sure you were not deceived by the *Arches?*
I will need you to swear on the veracity of your claims on the *Oath Rod!* 🛞