Cleansing Saidin alone would cement Rand & Nynaeve as being the most important channelers of all time. I definitely can't argue with Nynaeve being #2 on the list.
@@saliston Yup, Alivia is probably the strongest female channeler on record. Nynaeve is about top 5 female channelers. I'll probably go Alivia and Lanfear tie with Alivia being a combat machine and Lanfear having knowledge and flexibility, then the strongest female forsaken, then Nnyaeve.
@@tinamoul Keep in mind, though, that this wasn't a ranking of the strongest channelers. In terms of strength, this had Alivia at a 10 and Nynaeve at an 8. However, Nynaeve rated higher in terms of Talents, Objects, and Feats.
@@tinamoul I think lanfear is still slightly stronger( Pre-Fin). but Alivia is still the same tier. In Robert Jordan's Official Channeler list, alivia, lanfear and Semirhage are the same tier, but he has lanfear ahead and listed first. Whey they were cleansing Saidin, Lanfear noted Alivia's strength, but then it was augmented by saying that Alivia had an angreal with her, which she did, given to her by cadusuane before the fight as was stated. and I've repeatedly seen statements in places that say " Lanfear is the strongest a woman could be in the one power" or some variation, in a bunch of places, though idk how official it is.
@@garyhall3919 He would have had to take a number and stand in line! One thing I disliked about the books, esp in the middle third, is how petty and ridiculous (redundantly) so he made the strongest female characters. Sniffing became skirt-smoothing. I forced myself to develop a sort of color-blindness with these stupid and redundant mannerisms. My real hope was that, once the series was finished, TOR would put out a "good parts" version where all instances of sniffing, skirt-smoothing, the boys each thinking the other two knew more about women, Loial commenting about humans being hasty, Nynaeve obsessing about what a coward she was, Perrin telling us how Faile smells, the Aiel thinking how strange Wetlander humor is, men/women each thinking how strange the other is, and all other stupidly repetitive mannerisms were cut out or at least trimmed. This is a great series, but once it was selling, it is so clear no one bothered to edit it for crap like this really diminishes it.
You forgot to mention that Nynaeve has a form of precognition or Clairyovance, ie she can sense impending events as a storm as well as sense strong emotions that was once associated with places and objects
@@stevenseagal9911 Weather Sense is common, but hers was more a global sense of impending chaos, Where Hurin had a sense of past violence, hers was more a future sense of Lost Hope.
@@Hawkido Aye, "Listening to the Wind" is a form of the Talent of Foretelling and Nynaeve's was particularly strong when it came to impending conflicts.
Rand and Nynaeve are my two most favorite characters!!! Not because of their strength at all. I just bloody love them to pieces, and have done since the first book before I really even knew what was going on.
I hated nyneave sometimes, but then I realized she was hilarious. I remember her thinking Egwene had become too violent, as she fantasizes about strangling her or something like that.
a personal favorite #11. Androl, the guy is a beast, in spite of being the weakest dude, having no objects of the one power, but he has the rarest of talents, and since he is so weak, all he accomplishes is an incredible feat of strength. Using your criteria: Raw strenght: 1/10 Talents: 5/5 Objects of power: 0/5 Feats of Strenght: 4/5 For a 10/25, which is really impressive given his weakness in the one power. Hahaha, just kidding, I love Androl, but I know I am making a lot of concessions for him. Great video!!!!!!
In fact, you are not. I think he fully deserves at least 9/25 (with 3/5 Feats of Strength as he only wiped out a whole army *just* before the last battle and lead the cleansing of the Black Towers).
Yeah, Androl is a badass. Dropping half a mountainfull of steaming hot lava on a giant force of darkspawn is one of the more epic feats early on in the Last Battle. He may be a Sanderson creation (I believe) but he fits right in with the rest of them. He has great character for only being in the last few books. :-)
I actually considered him! Haha. I think your take is right actually. If you think about it, his abilities are kind of scary to go against even if you are another channeler
Egwene's flame of tar valon was beyond epic. Curing the destruction of balefire and taking out all of those channelers in the final battle should have counted for more. I would place her higher. She was also a real dreamer. Not just in teleranriod. Which was a talent in the power.
Elayne should be on the list purely for her ability to craft _ter'angreal_ -- if Damer Flinn can get 5/5 talents just for being the best man at healing, she should get the same courtesy for that ability. Aviendha also intuitively recreates Travelling, though she can't remember how afterwards.
I just want to thank you for your time and incredible effort you put into these videos! I'm so thankful that you make these videos for us! I would like to make a couple of points about some of these ratings based off of my opinion on the wheel of time. I have listened to the Wheel Of Time audiobooks 4-5 times but I'm by no means and expert like you so this is just my personal opinion. I would rank Logain as an 8 for raw power. I know that he is very very strong, but I think he's two tiers under Rand and Ishamael. When everyone is attacked at the farm by trollocs Logain proves his prowess, but it's stated that Rand pulls more, believing it was just Lews Therin taking over, but we later learn that Lews Therin was only a side effect of Rand’s madness. Therefore he is actually capable of pulling that massive amount of Saidin, although it does state that he is straining to pull as much as he can. Logain states that if Rand is trying to prove that he's stronger, Logain already knows, and rand hadn't even reached his full strength by at least one tier. ( It's mentioned that men’s strength grows in jumps while women’s is more gradual and steady). Anyways, this is just my opinion. P.S. If I am correct and Logain is actually an 8 then Narishma ( not sure if that's spelled right, as I've never read the books ) should be a 7. Just my personal understanding, but I know that you are much more informed than I. Can't wait for your next videos!
Moiraine's strength ends up being quite middling by the end. Her talents were strong, but her knowledge and skill are her true strengths. Her dexterity is commented on more than once.
She reminds me of Obi Wan. She understood her strengths and weaknesses and was able to complete against people inherently stronger by nature of her wit.
Solid job. I'm not a wonk with power levels so I will just accept what you got here. I was not really interested in the subject, but it turned out to be a pretty good video. I enjoyed it, thank you!
I think you didn't give enough merit to Elayne rediscovering how to make ter'angreal. But your feats of the power ranking really hurts her, as you are right. Most of her great works are done with others Also, I think Egwene rediscovering travelling should have got a mention. Don't think it alters her position tho. Great video tho mate.
@@NaeBlis Cool. I really liked the video. I'm looking forward to seeing how you rank the dark one's forces. I hate to be that guy that nitpicks but you had a couple of errors in names. I checked its Logain Ablar, not Albar. And Jahar Narishma not Narshima. Doesn't take away from the fun of the video though!
I had forgotten that alivia existed. I had thought originally that Nyaveve would have a 9 in raw strength, but since she was still comparatively young to others, she would not have reached her full potential. Awesome video
Really good video! Your video about Shara is what lured me into your channel, but this video made me subscribe! Can’t wait to watch the video ranking the Forsaken. Can you please do a video ranking the next 5 most powerful channelers for the light, or possibly a video ranking the top 5 channelers in the Black Tower? Really enjoy the videos, please keep them coming as free time allows!
Dude the first 10 seconds of every video is classic. I love picture of Lan and Moraine on their horses to Moraine, to The three two rivers guys. Mat looks so cool tipping his hat.
It is so weird but when I hear the opening 10 seconds it takes me out of this world and drops me into this old old old fantasy setting that somehow I missed in life. It is a weird weird feeling and I love it. This series will be a great great classic. The bad thing is the show will look much different from the way I envision these characters. I love the Mat character with a slight tip of his hat. It's like he saying to me welcome to our fantasy world. The contrast in size between Moraine and Lan on horse back speaks volumes of there different powers. God I'm enjoying this series. Currently I'm on Book 3 The Dragon Reborn.
Fun topic. I like how you weighted the rankings, and took ter'/angreal into account. First thing that sprang to mind when you mentioned raw strength isn't everything was the scene where Nynaeve teaches the windfinders, and the apprentice realizes it's much like wrestling. And how feints, leverage, and misdirection are all factors in a one on one deul with the Power.
Logain Ablar* and Aviendha did in fact have a turtle broach Angreal for a few of the books. Good breakdown though, i'd have been tempted to throw a lot of the main characters in myself :)
I was definitely shocked I did not to make the top 10. I’d love to see the numbers for Elayne that you came up with, especially with her strength and talent score (learning how to make new ter’angreal). She did find some angreal that she used too. For feats, however, I can see how she would lack. She did some great things, but usually with others. Another great video! Keep them coming!
Nae'Blis it would be close I think. Moraine is one of my favorite characters and she did some amazing things. I absolutely agree with your list and I loved how you broke down each section. I can’t wait for the next one!
@@NaeBlis and she is the only known an'greal maker in the world which is a gift that keeps on giving for thousands of years. Objects of the power should be a 5/5 not only because she has her own stash of objects due to Ebu'dar, she has the world's only known Seed for creating an'greal. Priceless.
I was ready to tug my braid. But this was on point. I would just disagree about the object of power that Elayne gifted Nynaeve. But aside from that, wow! You did a wonderful job. Thanks!
I have to strongly protest the use of objects of power as a part of the ranking system. I mean, if you give the woman statuette to a low level Aes Sedai, she can pwn all thirteen Forsaken at once, easy. Logic says that if objects of power is to be included in the rankings at all, it has to be weighted something like 100 times the scores in every other category.
But the Forsaken all use objects of power as well. Raw personal ability without augmentation is a scale as well, but it's a different scale. I think counting the items of power makes this a more interesting list.
@@NaeBlis i think it was dead on. Though way too much stock was put in Cydene as a character by everyone when all she was is a jilted ex with Daddy issues.
It's been a while since I read the books, but didn't Aviendha get an angreal from Elayne? I think it was the turtle brooch and used a few times. Maybe?
Egwene invented Flame of Tar Valon all by herself. Only counter to baelfire known. Weave so powerful and destructive even forsaken were afraid to use it. On top of that it not only killed Taim it also killed all other channelers who were fighting for shadow. In my eyes that alone gives her way more than 2/5 when it comes to talents.
@@zpetar my point stands though. Perrin did it first, how doesn't factor into it. Him doing it's then having to explain to her it was "just a weave" is the ONLY reason she got there.
@@zpetar I kind of forgot how Perrin is basically an all powerful god by the end of the books. He has the ability to rewrite reality at will in the dream world and to a lesser extent the regular world, and go anywhere on the planet with a thought. He is also best friends with every wolf on the planet.
You forgot about Narshima pulling Callandor from the Stone for Feats of Strength. Rand didn't tell him exactly how to disarm the Traps he had put on Callandor. We know from Rand's POV that those Traps were incredibly dangerous and Narshima still managed to disable them without dying. That is pretty incredible...
Elayne made objects of power, giving her 5/5, she's as strong as egwene, 7 maybe 8/10, she helped turn the weather, she saved birgittes life, claimed the throne through a messy succession, figured out how to split the warder bond 3 ways. I rank Elayne alongside avienda and egwene. And the books implied those 3 were about the same level
One other thing that was missed for Egwene is that she rediscovered the Traveling weave for women, one of the most significant rediscoveries in the series. That should bump her talent level up higher.
Narshima also was able to undo the trap Rand had set on Callandor. Even with Rand’s initial warning and instructions he said it was still difficult as Rand hadn’t told him everything
I agree with most of your list especially with Nyneave in second but I’m torn with Logain coming in higher than Egwene... her ability and skill mixed with CONSTANTLY being threatened, tortured, and in the lions den I would put her ahead of him. Especially rediscovering traveling and heartstone.
Logain was just a fucking unit dude. Almost bested a Foresaken despite him having an insane powerful S’angreal. The fact that him being healed from stilling didn’t diminish his power level in any noticeable amount is testament to that.
I can't believe you ranked Moiraine so low.. I just watched your video of the character examination and you speak about all her talents in maneuvering people, being self taught in the power, figuring out the weave of balefire from books (and you ranked others higher for being able to copy a weave they had sen once) engaging and defeating Foresaken when they were still though to be unkillable, she worked weather, was a decent healer, and was able to cause earth to explode (Usually stronger ability in males then females) and then you only give her a 2 out of 5 for talent? She was the whole package! The whole story hinged on the things she did, Her deftness at the game of house and ability to think several steps ahead, her quest to find and guide the Dragon and her willingness to submit to Rand and then to potential death (doorway) in order for those ends to be achieved and you rank her feats of strength 2 out 5? Even at the end when she was significantly weaker, she used an object of power that made her channeling ability strong. Pfft.. the whole age would have gone up in smoke if not for her.
Yes, not counting the Chosen, before the Ta'veren were found, trained up, Moraine was said to be the strongest channeler living (she was actually second to Cadsuane but everyone thought she was long dead as the oldest living Aes Sedai). They were surpassed by Nynaeve who was the strongest female (nonchosen human) to be ranked, then a tie with Elayne and Egwene. But nobody had the sheer raw power of Rand, he cleansed the entire one power of the taint (with the help of Nynaeve), he sealed the dark one in the Bore permanently, "Rand al'Thor is as strong in the One Power as it is possible to be." Not only that but he had a natural ability to weave his power without ever being taught.
I think important to remember that many of the main characters are quite young and have hundreds and hundreds of years of life ahead of them, so this list is really just a snapshot in time in terms of strength. Nynaeve hasn't even reached her full strength potential by the end of the series.
Hundreds of years ahead of them, and yet the last battle is the end of the third age, so they are the actual founders of the fourth age. Worth thinking about.
Frankly, it's all too convenient that the main characters are the strongest and best. It's like a group of white belts taking karate and in a year can easily defeat the teacher.
I'd definitely have put Elayne on the list, but I understand why the others are above her. I would also have considered Siuan Sanche, though she lacks the objects of power and we really don't see many of her feats. But being able to adjust to the decrease in strength was interesting, not to mention how heroic she was, and that's a feat to top them all
Surprised that Elayne did not make the top 10. She has talent to make terangrael and is naturally strong and had used objects of power on occasion. She had some feats of strength.
All Elayne was good at was flouncing around like a spoilt brat, getting other characters killed and needing to be constantly rescued. Pathetic example of a woman 😒
I think Nynaeve should have gotten a mention for wielding the Choeden Kal in ‘objects of power’. Even only channeling through it for a short while, multiplied by its power should put it ahead of some of the other objects you mentioned.
There's a good case for Arhold to make this list. 1/10 strength, 6/5 Talents for the yuge gateway talent, and 10/5 in Feats for stealing the seals from Taim using illusion, saving the Black Tower, dropping Dragonmount's lava on an entire army, and discovering the psychic dual bond with Pevara.
Uh---Narishma, not Narshima and Ablar not Albar? I like the way you analyzed this, different from any other that I've seen! Egwene developing the Flame of Tar Valon has got to be one of the biggest defining moments of the series. With Rand, you could also say he figured out (with Lew Therin's help) how to break a shield, although given the number 1 spot, it was kind of dumb that he let himself be shielded in the first place. I wish there had been a way to give a little more face time to very strong characters like Alivia and Sharina Malloy---it's just so tantalizing that esp Sharina gets "Wow, you should see this old grandma we found who's as strong as one of the Forsaken!" but, beyond a mention in Nynaeve's testing for the ring and her being a generally helpful and good influence for the "rebel" Aes Sedai, that's about it. Would have been in favor of seeing the endless descriptive passages and the Endless Plot of Doom scrapped in favor of a little more face time for these interesting side characters.
Damer Flinn does carry an object of the power. I believe he’s holding Callandor at the Battle of the Beacon. Granted, I am re-reading the series for the first time in a few years, and I am currently at the book where this battle happens, so I will correct myself if I am wrong. Edit: you’re right. It was Narishima holding Callandor. Maybe I was suffering from the Mandela effect.
@@Austinbikeski When Rand takes the Stone of Tear, and uses Callandor to summon a ball lightning that speeds throughout the entire Stone, only striking and killing all of the Trollocs.
I think Aviendha carried a turtle angreal with her as a gift from Elayne. And Aviendha's feat of strength, although not really all about war and all of that, was going back to Rhuidean for a second time and learn about the future of the Aiel if they weren't included in the Dragon's treaty.
@@cstephen716 I hated her so much. She was always saying some dumb shit about how she was the queen and how she had to lead and think of her people but didn't missed a chance to do some stupid shit and get tons of people killed. People told her not go after the black ajah in Caemlyn and what did she do? She went after them, got herself captured, got the Aes Sedai and the Kin killed, got hundreds of soldiers killed in her rescue and after she was free she thought of all those people for like a second and then went back to being the usual bitch. And what did she do at the last battle when people told her not to go to the front lines? She went to the frontlines, got herself captured, got her guard women killed and got Birgitte decapitated. Oh and don't even mention how she treated Mat after he saved her time and time again.
For real, and she should get a 5/5 for objects of power for her Moghedian a'dam, passing out dream ter'angreal like candies, and swooping the bowl of winds from Ebou Dar.
Elayne never created an angreal lol. At the very end, Rand gives her a seed that HE found and told her how to use it by funneling power into it. She never utilized it in the books.
I would add 1 or 2 talent points to Egwene for being the only one since the Age of Legends to rediscover the opposite of Balefile... ie, The Flame of Tar Valon... perhaps making it a dual ability as it is a talent as well as a feat.
Didn't Nynaeve use balefire pretty early, before we knew what it was almost? The "girls" had been captured and was about to be handed over to a Myrddraal. I might be wrong but something like that lingers in my mind.
My only issue with your ranking system is that it seems to leave out the mental ability of the channelers. Raw power is an independent trait, and very important, but it is ultimately funneled through the channeler's ability to direct the one power into appropriate weaves. Being proficient in using your power and talents in innovative ways, and coming up with entirely new methods of dealing with your problems is key to anyone, not just channelers, but because the one power is *so* versatile I would say having this mental elasticity is probably the second most important trait a channeler can have. For example, Egwene has this mental prowess in spades and it's one of the reasons why she's so prolific in both the one power and politics as she can adapt to whatever challenge she is facing with some kind of solution, or come up with a more efficient solution than what is expected. Nynaeve lacks this in pretty much every facet except healing. I'm not sure how much adding this new criteria would change the rankings as you have them now, if at all. I just think that not including it in the deliberation is a shame. Other than that I thought the video was stellar. The rankings are very close to my personal opinions so that means they're accurate, right?
I just wanted to mention that Egwene's talent of Dreaming isn't that she can enter TAR, but it is that her dreams can foretell. I would definitely consider that a Power Talent.
I would love to hear more about the 3 archers what the being is in the books,where the sedi have to go through to become sisters . Does Rand set it free. Can the archers be moved to trap the forsaken ones
Glad Moiraine made the list. I started reading the books when there were I think only 5 out, I read the next 2 books, six and seven then stopped. I HATE waiting on books to come out. I know the books have been out for a long time but I am only now starting back. I remember Moiraine dieing or disappearing in book 4-6 and well I really liked her even if she could be pushy and overbearing. She did what she thought she had to do to save the world. I missed her and thought she got a raw deal and hope she came back later on........
I'd maybe bump Egwene up a point or two in Talent. Her ability to split weaves is astounding, even when dosed with forkroot. That's quibbling though, great video!
@@NaeBlis I subscribed to you, and I'm watching the playlist that contains that video now. So many good memories, I'll have to reread the series again soon.
i like your listing, however i would like to know your thoughts on the song the tinkers are looking for and the flash back Rand sees in the glass tree forest
1. Aviendha does gain access to some ter-angreal and angreal too, she helps Elayne sort out the cache from Ebou Dar, and is loaned an an'greal several times which face it, would have been hers if she was from the white tower. 2. Damer Flynn heals severing/stilling BECAUSE of Nynaeve, it is hearing what Nynaeve does to Logain and looking into that that allows him to figure out the male way of doing it. It doesn't affect his talent, but he does it because of Nynaeve. Also it is clear that a woman healing a man results in no loss of strength and a man healing a woman results in no loss of strength. We know a woman healing a woman from stilling results in a great reduction of strength, although never given an example, it is probably safe to assume a man healing a man from stilling/gentling would also be very weak. 3. Narshima would be a 9/10 if he is very close to Rand and Logain. He hasn't reached his full potential either. Also Nynaeve, Aviendha, Narshima, Damer, Egwene Rand, Graendal, Lanfear , Elayne 4. Egwene is a 5/5 for talents - come on dude, she rediscovers travelling., I suspect Sorelea discovers this weave because of Egwene too, Egwene discovers the flame of Tar'valon weave too in addition to Cuendillar, and dreaming is a HUGE thing, not just being able to read the future which Perrin, who turns out to be the king of tel'aran'rhiod in the end can also do, but not as prolifically, it's huge dude, while dreaming is not restricted to channelers it is far more common amongst them, it is possible Egwene is a dreamer because she is a channeler, which you can't disqualify her there. She is a 5/5 for talents. Egwene and Aginor are your biggest mistakes in this category imo. Egwene's flame of tar'valon weave is a talent category, how she uses it and what she accomplishes with it is one of the most powerful feats of strength in the book - in terms of power and usefulness Flame of tar'valon is as powerful as balefire, and travelling for women was the most effective weave of all. Egwene should be 20/25 above Logain, and Alivia, 5. Nynaeve is a 9/10 with the power (and she isn't even at her full potential by the end of the series), Nynaeve defeats Moghedien before she even removes her block, with very little training under her belt, she is no where near her full potential there, imo, she likely would have matched Alivia when she reaches her full potential, only Sharina Melloy, the Grandmother novice is stronger than Nynaeve and well anyone else without having being trained. Nynaeve can also sense incoming evil, as well as storms. No doubt she'd be windfinder level if she'd trained with them. I don't know if Ta'lann is stronger than Nynaeve, when they meet with the blow of the winds, Talann is 16, Nynaeve in her early 20s, Nynaeve actually hasn't used the one power much and has only just recently lost her block, Tal'aan, though at deck hand level would have had far more consistent training than Nynaeve at this point though much younger so possibly would have grown more and is stated as being almost as strong as Nynaeve but not quite. Nyaneve has just accomplished a lot more than the girl though due to exposure perhaps. Ta'lann can learn weaves as fast as Nynaeve can and does best her twice in the end in t he duelling training - however Ta'lann has practised a hell of a lot more than Nynaeve at it, I would say despite Tal'ann's incredible strength when Nynaeve reaches her full potential and Ta'lann hers, Nynaeve would bet stronger. For strength in female channelrs it's probably the 1. Sharina Melloy - Grandmotherly novice discovered by the Saldea Ase Sedai 2. Nynaeve/Alivia joint 2nd 3. Lanfear 4. Semirahge/Graendal 5. Ta'lann 6. Egwene 7. Elayne & Aviendha joint 7 6. Elayne has the largest amount of objects of the power, she also duplicates them which is her main skill, she is as good as windfinders in the end with weaves of air and water when she trains with them and that's not even her full potential. Elayne's capturing of the throne of Andor and winning it, even able to manipulate Perrin out of the crown of the Two Rivers (relegating him to steward Lord, even though he will get the throne of Saldea and the two Rivers, Elayne's duplication of the fox medallion is instrumental in a couple of Mat's' victories, I would have her at a 3 or 4/5 with talents and skills and a 4/5 with feats of strength. Power wise she is 6/10, and object sof the power she is 5/5 which would but her at 18 or 19/25 on par with Alivia and I would have made the list the Top 11 channelers for the light. All in all, modifications to an otherwise very good list. 1. Egwene gets 3rd spot after Nynaeve 2. Elayne comes in on par with Alivia or just behind her on par with Logain even though both are stronger in the one poer.
The process for a man discovering a weave will be completely different to a female discovering a weave and vice-versa so saying he did it “ because of Nyneave” isn’t accurate Imo. Otherwise you have to take away the discovery of travelling from Egwene since the men did it first and the women were all aware of that, and were very motivated to get channeling for themselves because of it.
@@LouisKing995 Yeh, but it doesn't change the fact that Nynaeve does the impossible first, and once she does it, Damer now knows it is possible. He then manages to figure out how using the male half. He uses the principles from Nynaeve to figure out how his half can do the same thing. He would not have known to do it or likely even bothered to try to the point of discovery if she hadn't done the impossible first. But it doesn't take away from his remarkable achievement, but it rather elevates Nynaeve's imo.
@@jonathangooding5020 Why do you imply he wouldn’t have tried ? You have no reason to think that. This an age of discovery, men are channeling freely for the first time in thousands of years. Purely your own opinion that without Nynaeve Damer wouldn’t have discovered it himself
Aviendha also made a tube of air and pulled water from a river to put out the fires that the bubble of evil made out of the guards on the house they were staying in in the gathering storm i believe
You said that Elayne didn't do well in having objects of power. Now while I understand that being able to make them would go into talent, she learned that in part by being around them a lot. Including ones that let her dream, an a'dam, which may be evil, but is still a item of power, several that she made and the seed that Rand gives her which can let her make angreal. While none of these are as impressive as some of the things that others use I'd be hard pressed to say that combined they weren't fairly impressive.
Wait, with Avienda you missed something I feel is important to mention... she opened a gate from Charien to Seanchan without even knowing how to travel... sheer intuition allowed her to open a Gate... I think that counts for something...
Elayne had all the objects found in the storeroom, and was equivalent to avi at least as far as strength. She was able to make objects of the power. Got that one wrong for Shure. Also was surprised to not see any on the aiel wise ones on the list, although I guess I can understand that. Might have been better to do top 20.
I know this is over 4 years old but to be fair to the Aiel, we don't TRULY get a grasp of their channeler's strengths, just that they are stronger than they thought in comparison to the Aes Sedai.
With the exception of Elayne not being on the list for some of the reasons mentioned by other comments (rediscovering a lost talent of making angreal which is part of your list should get you on the list), you nailed the list.
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Cleansing Saidin alone would cement Rand & Nynaeve as being the most important channelers of all time. I definitely can't argue with Nynaeve being #2 on the list.
except in the books there was the one Seanchan lady that was even more powerful
@@saliston Yup, Alivia is probably the strongest female channeler on record. Nynaeve is about top 5 female channelers. I'll probably go Alivia and Lanfear tie with Alivia being a combat machine and Lanfear having knowledge and flexibility, then the strongest female forsaken, then Nnyaeve.
I think Matt made it pretty clear cleansing Saidin isn't that big of a deal.
@@tinamoul Keep in mind, though, that this wasn't a ranking of the strongest channelers. In terms of strength, this had Alivia at a 10 and Nynaeve at an 8. However, Nynaeve rated higher in terms of Talents, Objects, and Feats.
@@tinamoul I think lanfear is still slightly stronger( Pre-Fin). but Alivia is still the same tier. In Robert Jordan's Official Channeler list, alivia, lanfear and Semirhage are the same tier, but he has lanfear ahead and listed first.
Whey they were cleansing Saidin, Lanfear noted Alivia's strength, but then it was augmented by saying that Alivia had an angreal with her, which she did, given to her by cadusuane before the fight as was stated. and I've repeatedly seen statements in places that say " Lanfear is the strongest a woman could be in the one power" or some variation, in a bunch of places, though idk how official it is.
Rand's single greatest feat of strength is lighting a pipe without using the power. 6/5.
RapidF6 so true. Good point!
@@NaeBlis Hahaha, I was just mucking around. That wasn't power-based. Pretty cool none the less. :)
i always thought it was not strangling nyneave to death with her braid
@@garyhall3919 He would have had to take a number and stand in line! One thing I disliked about the books, esp in the middle third, is how petty and ridiculous (redundantly) so he made the strongest female characters. Sniffing became skirt-smoothing. I forced myself to develop a sort of color-blindness with these stupid and redundant mannerisms. My real hope was that, once the series was finished, TOR would put out a "good parts" version where all instances of sniffing, skirt-smoothing, the boys each thinking the other two knew more about women, Loial commenting about humans being hasty, Nynaeve obsessing about what a coward she was, Perrin telling us how Faile smells, the Aiel thinking how strange Wetlander humor is, men/women each thinking how strange the other is, and all other stupidly repetitive mannerisms were cut out or at least trimmed. This is a great series, but once it was selling, it is so clear no one bothered to edit it for crap like this really diminishes it.
@@garyhall3919 Hey! No dissing the Nynaeve,she's cool!
You forgot to mention that Nynaeve has a form of precognition or Clairyovance, ie she can sense impending events as a storm as well as sense strong emotions that was once associated with places and objects
crandf a common ability, especially among wilders.
@@stevenseagal9911 Weather Sense is common, but hers was more a global sense of impending chaos, Where Hurin had a sense of past violence, hers was more a future sense of Lost Hope.
@@Hawkido Aye, "Listening to the Wind" is a form of the Talent of Foretelling and Nynaeve's was particularly strong when it came to impending conflicts.
Rand and Nynaeve are my two most favorite characters!!! Not because of their strength at all. I just bloody love them to pieces, and have done since the first book before I really even knew what was going on.
I hated nyneave sometimes, but then I realized she was hilarious. I remember her thinking Egwene had become too violent, as she fantasizes about strangling her or something like that.
Nynaeve gets a lot of hate, but I love her
How do I get the book?
@@MichaelChima-dk5qhbuy them online or get the ebooks.
Aviendha also was able to make a gateway when no one but the Forsaken could. Pretty impressive
I thought that was Egwene
@@seyi8206 when she tried to flee from Rand, than she made a gateway somewhere in the snow and Rand boned her
@@poeplijer Ah yes, I had forgotten that!
@@poeplijer she was the first to taste sweet Rand lol
You mean, other than Rand.
a personal favorite #11. Androl, the guy is a beast, in spite of being the weakest dude, having no objects of the one power, but he has the rarest of talents, and since he is so weak, all he accomplishes is an incredible feat of strength. Using your criteria:
Raw strenght: 1/10
Talents: 5/5
Objects of power: 0/5
Feats of Strenght: 4/5
For a 10/25, which is really impressive given his weakness in the one power.
Hahaha, just kidding, I love Androl, but I know I am making a lot of concessions for him. Great video!!!!!!
In fact, you are not. I think he fully deserves at least 9/25 (with 3/5 Feats of Strength as he only wiped out a whole army *just* before the last battle and lead the cleansing of the Black Towers).
anyone that can make a nice cup of tea from half a world away is #1 in my book :D
Yeah, Androl is a badass. Dropping half a mountainfull of steaming hot lava on a giant force of darkspawn is one of the more epic feats early on in the Last Battle. He may be a Sanderson creation (I believe) but he fits right in with the rest of them. He has great character for only being in the last few books. :-)
androl might be weak, but he is able to make some of the biggest gateways i think. big enough to walk an entire army through iirc
I actually considered him! Haha. I think your take is right actually. If you think about it, his abilities are kind of scary to go against even if you are another channeler
You definitely deserve my subscription. I love your content and wheel of time series is my absolute favourite fantasy series. Keep it up man
Your breakdown of channelers is on point. I can't argue with anything you've done here surprisingly.....good job nae'blis👍
Greats videos I think I’ve watched them all & looking forward to what you’ve got coming next. Particularly enjoy the nation explorations
Great analysis! Loved watching this. Really brought me back to the books! Keep it up.
I appreciate these videos because I am several years removed from my last re-read and the videos remind me of things I have forgotten.
Egwene's flame of tar valon was beyond epic. Curing the destruction of balefire and taking out all of those channelers in the final battle should have counted for more. I would place her higher. She was also a real dreamer. Not just in teleranriod. Which was a talent in the power.
I agree!
I agree but I think it's worth noting that when she discovered The Flame of Tar Valon and assisted in the last battle she was using a Sa'angreal.
Elayne should be on the list purely for her ability to craft _ter'angreal_ -- if Damer Flinn can get 5/5 talents just for being the best man at healing, she should get the same courtesy for that ability. Aviendha also intuitively recreates Travelling, though she can't remember how afterwards.
Came here to say this.
She also should get a high score on objects of power because she can CREATE objects of power.
Agreed, Elayne got robbed!
Shes a queen. She can afford it.
@@EtzEchadיוווו עוד ישראלי!
Enjoying your videos, now that the series is out. Have read and audiobooked the series a few times, and it's fun to see these rankings.
I just want to thank you for your time and incredible effort you put into these videos! I'm so thankful that you make these videos for us! I would like to make a couple of points about some of these ratings based off of my opinion on the wheel of time. I have listened to the Wheel Of Time audiobooks 4-5 times but I'm by no means and expert like you so this is just my personal opinion. I would rank Logain as an 8 for raw power. I know that he is very very strong, but I think he's two tiers under Rand and Ishamael. When everyone is attacked at the farm by trollocs Logain proves his prowess, but it's stated that Rand pulls more, believing it was just Lews Therin taking over, but we later learn that Lews Therin was only a side effect of Rand’s madness. Therefore he is actually capable of pulling that massive amount of Saidin, although it does state that he is straining to pull as much as he can. Logain states that if Rand is trying to prove that he's stronger, Logain already knows, and rand hadn't even reached his full strength by at least one tier. ( It's mentioned that men’s strength grows in jumps while women’s is more gradual and steady). Anyways, this is just my opinion. P.S. If I am correct and Logain is actually an 8 then Narishma ( not sure if that's spelled right, as I've never read the books ) should be a 7. Just my personal understanding, but I know that you are much more informed than I. Can't wait for your next videos!
Moiraine's strength ends up being quite middling by the end. Her talents were strong, but her knowledge and skill are her true strengths. Her dexterity is commented on more than once.
She reminds me of Obi Wan. She understood her strengths and weaknesses and was able to complete against people inherently stronger by nature of her wit.
Since the show aired I have immersed myself into all things WoT and the Aes Sedei. I'm obsessed.
Same and I haven’t even read the books. Now I’m starting to read the first novel.
@@nadiab7764 4 months later and I'm on Book 8!!!!!
You totally forgot about Bela. Bela actually scores a 26 on your scale!
I cried when Bela died!
minissa2009
Bela never died. She just allowed herself to APPEAR to die. It was all part of her plan as she moved the wheel of time to the fourth age.
@@EtzEchad I was trying to figure out how to say that in 25 words or less (or that she was an avatar of the Creator or similar)!
minissa2009
Some say she WAS the creator.
Bela is immortal. She was just there because she got bored of being so powerful. Always ready at the right moment.
Solid job. I'm not a wonk with power levels so I will just accept what you got here. I was not really interested in the subject, but it turned out to be a pretty good video. I enjoyed it, thank you!
Am I the only one that likes his videos in the 1st few seconds cuz the intro is really good?
Right? love the music but Reflections of Sound (The Chamber Pots).
I think you didn't give enough merit to Elayne rediscovering how to make ter'angreal. But your feats of the power ranking really hurts her, as you are right. Most of her great works are done with others
Also, I think Egwene rediscovering travelling should have got a mention. Don't think it alters her position tho.
Great video tho mate.
David Hale I considered that. And it might have put her on par with Moiraine. Good catch
@@NaeBlis Cool. I really liked the video. I'm looking forward to seeing how you rank the dark one's forces. I hate to be that guy that nitpicks but you had a couple of errors in names. I checked its Logain Ablar, not Albar. And Jahar Narishma not Narshima. Doesn't take away from the fun of the video though!
@@NaeBlis Did you consider Egwene discovering anti-balefire, albeit very late, in her talent ranking?
He mentioned it
But ter angreal where being made for hundred of years before her on Seanchan. The rings of the Seanchan assassins and the adams are also ter angreal.
"Once I have a hundred subscribers...."! I'm watching this in 2020 laughing! Love the channel!
What a fun video. Thanks for doing this!
Fantastic breakdown man, I want to reread the books now lol
I had forgotten that alivia existed. I had thought originally that Nyaveve would have a 9 in raw strength, but since she was still comparatively young to others, she would not have reached her full potential. Awesome video
Really good video! Your video about Shara is what lured me into your channel, but this video made me subscribe! Can’t wait to watch the video ranking the Forsaken. Can you please do a video ranking the next 5 most powerful channelers for the light, or possibly a video ranking the top 5 channelers in the Black Tower?
Really enjoy the videos, please keep them coming as free time allows!
Dude the first 10 seconds of every video is classic. I love picture of Lan and Moraine on their horses to Moraine, to The three two rivers guys. Mat looks so cool tipping his hat.
Excellent video! I started following this channel months ago and now that the show is on, I can't get enough info.
Great Analysis. Much appreciated and very interesting!!!!
good work brother...appreciate it
It is so weird but when I hear the opening 10 seconds it takes me out of this world and drops me into this old old old fantasy setting that somehow I missed in life. It is a weird weird feeling and I love it. This series will be a great great classic. The bad thing is the show will look much different from the way I envision these characters. I love the Mat character with a slight tip of his hat. It's like he saying to me welcome to our fantasy world. The contrast in size between Moraine and Lan on horse back speaks volumes of there different powers. God I'm enjoying this series. Currently I'm on Book 3 The Dragon Reborn.
Fun topic. I like how you weighted the rankings, and took ter'/angreal into account. First thing that sprang to mind when you mentioned raw strength isn't everything was the scene where Nynaeve teaches the windfinders, and the apprentice realizes it's much like wrestling. And how feints, leverage, and misdirection are all factors in a one on one deul with the Power.
Twiggie Leon I always think of the battle with Lanfear in Cairhien as well. She can just do things Rand can’t
My girl Nynaeve! :-D Almost top scorer, good job. You sir can add another subscriber to your list! ;-)
Just found your channel, new to wheel of time. I'm a show watcher haven't read the books. Definitely enjoy your content.
Logain Ablar* and Aviendha did in fact have a turtle broach Angreal for a few of the books. Good breakdown though, i'd have been tempted to throw a lot of the main characters in myself :)
I was definitely shocked I did not to make the top 10. I’d love to see the numbers for Elayne that you came up with, especially with her strength and talent score (learning how to make new ter’angreal). She did find some angreal that she used too. For feats, however, I can see how she would lack. She did some great things, but usually with others. Another great video! Keep them coming!
Elayne Trakand I think you may be right. I think I missed the angreal she had in Caemlyn. Maybe she should have been #10
Nae'Blis it would be close I think. Moraine is one of my favorite characters and she did some amazing things. I absolutely agree with your list and I loved how you broke down each section. I can’t wait for the next one!
@@NaeBlis and she is the only known an'greal maker in the world which is a gift that keeps on giving for thousands of years. Objects of the power should be a 5/5 not only because she has her own stash of objects due to Ebu'dar, she has the world's only known Seed for creating an'greal. Priceless.
I was ready to tug my braid. But this was on point. I would just disagree about the object of power that Elayne gifted Nynaeve. But aside from that, wow! You did a wonderful job. Thanks!
I have to strongly protest the use of objects of power as a part of the ranking system. I mean, if you give the woman statuette to a low level Aes Sedai, she can pwn all thirteen Forsaken at once, easy. Logic says that if objects of power is to be included in the rankings at all, it has to be weighted something like 100 times the scores in every other category.
But the Forsaken all use objects of power as well.
Raw personal ability without augmentation is a scale as well, but it's a different scale. I think counting the items of power makes this a more interesting list.
The access ter'angreal cannot be used by people below a certain level of strength.
Excellent ranking system! I feel like the feats of strength thing was a tipping point for a lote of characters.
Great work. Agreed with every score. New subscriber. You earned it.
Matthew Smith thanks Matt. Curious if you agree with the Forsaken rankings I did in the new video. I knew it might cause some disagreement haha
@@NaeBlis i think it was dead on. Though way too much stock was put in Cydene as a character by everyone when all she was is a jilted ex with Daddy issues.
It's been a while since I read the books, but didn't Aviendha get an angreal from Elayne? I think it was the turtle brooch and used a few times. Maybe?
Yeah she did
Sam Kavelala it was the woman statue one
I think you're right. Someone else had a turtle, possibly Elayne herself. Aviendhas was a woman sitting with cross legs if i remember correctly
She is shown several times in books 9 and 10 to take special care to wear the brooch but almost never actually uses it in the series
Also, she figured out a new way to use the Glass Columns in Rhuidean, which was pretty epic.
Great video!!
Anyone else get a cold shiver at the thought of what a child from Rand and Nynaeve could have been? Never would have happened, but can you imagine?
Egwene invented Flame of Tar Valon all by herself. Only counter to baelfire known. Weave so powerful and destructive even forsaken were afraid to use it. On top of that it not only killed Taim it also killed all other channelers who were fighting for shadow. In my eyes that alone gives her way more than 2/5 when it comes to talents.
He included that creating in her "feats of power" score.
But she only got there because Perrin did it first
@@auroramariealmeara8622 Perrin gave her idea it could be done but he did it in completely different way. Weeve itself is invented by Egvene.
@@zpetar my point stands though. Perrin did it first, how doesn't factor into it. Him doing it's then having to explain to her it was "just a weave" is the ONLY reason she got there.
@@zpetar I kind of forgot how Perrin is basically an all powerful god by the end of the books. He has the ability to rewrite reality at will in the dream world and to a lesser extent the regular world, and go anywhere on the planet with a thought. He is also best friends with every wolf on the planet.
You forgot about Narshima pulling Callandor from the Stone for Feats of Strength. Rand didn't tell him exactly how to disarm the Traps he had put on Callandor. We know from Rand's POV that those Traps were incredibly dangerous and Narshima still managed to disable them without dying. That is pretty incredible...
Elayne made objects of power, giving her 5/5, she's as strong as egwene, 7 maybe 8/10, she helped turn the weather, she saved birgittes life, claimed the throne through a messy succession, figured out how to split the warder bond 3 ways. I rank Elayne alongside avienda and egwene. And the books implied those 3 were about the same level
Well done. Thank you.
Great way of evaluating this
BTW your intro made me subscribe to your channel it's stellar
Thank you my friend
One other thing that was missed for Egwene is that she rediscovered the Traveling weave for women, one of the most significant rediscoveries in the series. That should bump her talent level up higher.
Didn't Moghedien tell her how to do that tho? (Not sure but I thought that that was what hapenned)
@@originalusername295 And IMS Av actually did it first. Just by accident.
Nice video! I think that I agree with this list.
Narshima also was able to undo the trap Rand had set on Callandor. Even with Rand’s initial warning and instructions he said it was still difficult as Rand hadn’t told him everything
I think one of the forsaken came and fiddled with the weave he'd set on ir.
And don't forget his ability to lick his aes sedai mistress' feet clean on her command 😏
Fantastic work man
Nobicus XIII thanks so much! What did you think of the video? Did I get it right?
@@NaeBlis no woman should get a power level of 10 since rand is the only 10 and the strongest woman being 8.5 [Lanfear] maybe 9.5 for [Ishamael]
@@NaeBlis but the variation are fantastic objects of power and talents to make up for not being one of the over powered people
Loved the listing. totally awesome in the composition. I would've thought Moirane would have rated higher but I see your call on that and agree.
Neat list! I liked it.
I agree with most of your list especially with Nyneave in second but I’m torn with Logain coming in higher than Egwene... her ability and skill mixed with CONSTANTLY being threatened, tortured, and in the lions den I would put her ahead of him. Especially rediscovering traveling and heartstone.
Aviendha rediscovered traveling
Logain was just a fucking unit dude. Almost bested a Foresaken despite him having an insane powerful S’angreal. The fact that him being healed from stilling didn’t diminish his power level in any noticeable amount is testament to that.
Still reminded of Perrin and "Its just a weave " lol
I can't believe you ranked Moiraine so low.. I just watched your video of the character examination and you speak about all her talents in maneuvering people, being self taught in the power, figuring out the weave of balefire from books (and you ranked others higher for being able to copy a weave they had sen once) engaging and defeating Foresaken when they were still though to be unkillable, she worked weather, was a decent healer, and was able to cause earth to explode (Usually stronger ability in males then females) and then you only give her a 2 out of 5 for talent? She was the whole package!
The whole story hinged on the things she did, Her deftness at the game of house and ability to think several steps ahead, her quest to find and guide the Dragon and her willingness to submit to Rand and then to potential death (doorway) in order for those ends to be achieved and you rank her feats of strength 2 out 5? Even at the end when she was significantly weaker, she used an object of power that made her channeling ability strong. Pfft.. the whole age would have gone up in smoke if not for her.
Yes, not counting the Chosen, before the Ta'veren were found, trained up, Moraine was said to be the strongest channeler living (she was actually second to Cadsuane but everyone thought she was long dead as the oldest living Aes Sedai). They were surpassed by Nynaeve who was the strongest female (nonchosen human) to be ranked, then a tie with Elayne and Egwene. But nobody had the sheer raw power of Rand, he cleansed the entire one power of the taint (with the help of Nynaeve), he sealed the dark one in the Bore permanently, "Rand al'Thor is as strong in the One Power as it is possible to be." Not only that but he had a natural ability to weave his power without ever being taught.
Moiraine is the true queen of these series. If wasn’t for her, nothing will be accomplished.
This is not the first time I see someone rank her so low. People just don’t understand how the whole package works.
Moiraine should've been ranked higher.
@@alienishere002 100%
I think important to remember that many of the main characters are quite young and have hundreds and hundreds of years of life ahead of them, so this list is really just a snapshot in time in terms of strength. Nynaeve hasn't even reached her full strength potential by the end of the series.
Hundreds of years ahead of them, and yet the last battle is the end of the third age, so they are the actual founders of the fourth age. Worth thinking about.
Frankly, it's all too convenient that the main characters are the strongest and best. It's like a group of white belts taking karate and in a year can easily defeat the teacher.
I'd definitely have put Elayne on the list, but I understand why the others are above her. I would also have considered Siuan Sanche, though she lacks the objects of power and we really don't see many of her feats. But being able to adjust to the decrease in strength was interesting, not to mention how heroic she was, and that's a feat to top them all
I just watched the tv series adaption and got curious. I probably going to read the book. Thanks for the video
Surprised that Elayne did not make the top 10. She has talent to make terangrael and is naturally strong and had used objects of power on occasion. She had some feats of strength.
All Elayne was good at was flouncing around like a spoilt brat, getting other characters killed and needing to be constantly rescued. Pathetic example of a woman 😒
I think Nynaeve should have gotten a mention for wielding the Choeden Kal in ‘objects of power’. Even only channeling through it for a short while, multiplied by its power should put it ahead of some of the other objects you mentioned.
Nynaeve and Rand used the Choedan Kal for hours. Rand directed the weaves, but Nynaeve still held the access key and saidar came from her.
I think you list was accurate. Thank you.
“Beware of the Dark One’s taint.” hilarious! 😂😂😂
Rand being able to manipulate the world as if he's in Telanrodhiod (misspelled) is 11/10
There's a good case for Arhold to make this list. 1/10 strength, 6/5 Talents for the yuge gateway talent, and 10/5 in Feats for stealing the seals from Taim using illusion, saving the Black Tower, dropping Dragonmount's lava on an entire army, and discovering the psychic dual bond with Pevara.
Uh---Narishma, not Narshima and Ablar not Albar? I like the way you analyzed this, different from any other that I've seen! Egwene developing the Flame of Tar Valon has got to be one of the biggest defining moments of the series. With Rand, you could also say he figured out (with Lew Therin's help) how to break a shield, although given the number 1 spot, it was kind of dumb that he let himself be shielded in the first place. I wish there had been a way to give a little more face time to very strong characters like Alivia and Sharina Malloy---it's just so tantalizing that esp Sharina gets "Wow, you should see this old grandma we found who's as strong as one of the Forsaken!" but, beyond a mention in Nynaeve's testing for the ring and her being a generally helpful and good influence for the "rebel" Aes Sedai, that's about it. Would have been in favor of seeing the endless descriptive passages and the Endless Plot of Doom scrapped in favor of a little more face time for these interesting side characters.
Damer Flinn does carry an object of the power. I believe he’s holding Callandor at the Battle of the Beacon. Granted, I am re-reading the series for the first time in a few years, and I am currently at the book where this battle happens, so I will correct myself if I am wrong.
Edit: you’re right. It was Narishima holding Callandor. Maybe I was suffering from the Mandela effect.
Thanks great info
My favorite Rand feat that got left out is his black hole sun of racial profiling chain lightning of seeking in the Stone. That trumps Maradon for me.
what exactly are you talking about???
@@Austinbikeski TSR chapter 10
@@Austinbikeski When Rand takes the Stone of Tear, and uses Callandor to summon a ball lightning that speeds throughout the entire Stone, only striking and killing all of the Trollocs.
Or when he goes full dark and uses the Choedan Kal to balefire Natrin's Barrow.
@@Austinbikeski He creates a "smart" weave that only strikes shadowspawn.
I think Aviendha carried a turtle angreal with her as a gift from Elayne. And Aviendha's feat of strength, although not really all about war and all of that, was going back to Rhuidean for a second time and learn about the future of the Aiel if they weren't included in the Dragon's treaty.
Elayne... most capable ter'angreal crafter and only known An'greal craft in the world... that would give her a 10 out of 5 on talents.
fuck elayne, wish she got gutted
@@cstephen716 I hated her so much. She was always saying some dumb shit about how she was the queen and how she had to lead and think of her people but didn't missed a chance to do some stupid shit and get tons of people killed. People told her not go after the black ajah in Caemlyn and what did she do? She went after them, got herself captured, got the Aes Sedai and the Kin killed, got hundreds of soldiers killed in her rescue and after she was free she thought of all those people for like a second and then went back to being the usual bitch. And what did she do at the last battle when people told her not to go to the front lines? She went to the frontlines, got herself captured, got her guard women killed and got Birgitte decapitated. Oh and don't even mention how she treated Mat after he saved her time and time again.
For real, and she should get a 5/5 for objects of power for her Moghedian a'dam, passing out dream ter'angreal like candies, and swooping the bowl of winds from Ebou Dar.
Elayne never created an angreal lol. At the very end, Rand gives her a seed that HE found and told her how to use it by funneling power into it. She never utilized it in the books.
did she actually create them or just copy them
I would add 1 or 2 talent points to Egwene for being the only one since the Age of Legends to rediscover the opposite of Balefile... ie, The Flame of Tar Valon... perhaps making it a dual ability as it is a talent as well as a feat.
I read this book in my early 20s, now I am in my 60s.
Great vid
Elliot Burns thanks a lot!
Didn't Nynaeve use balefire pretty early, before we knew what it was almost? The "girls" had been captured and was about to be handed over to a Myrddraal. I might be wrong but something like that lingers in my mind.
That's right. Egwene was using fire, Elayne was crushing them together into a ball with air and then Nynaeve used balefire on them.
My only issue with your ranking system is that it seems to leave out the mental ability of the channelers. Raw power is an independent trait, and very important, but it is ultimately funneled through the channeler's ability to direct the one power into appropriate weaves. Being proficient in using your power and talents in innovative ways, and coming up with entirely new methods of dealing with your problems is key to anyone, not just channelers, but because the one power is *so* versatile I would say having this mental elasticity is probably the second most important trait a channeler can have. For example, Egwene has this mental prowess in spades and it's one of the reasons why she's so prolific in both the one power and politics as she can adapt to whatever challenge she is facing with some kind of solution, or come up with a more efficient solution than what is expected. Nynaeve lacks this in pretty much every facet except healing.
I'm not sure how much adding this new criteria would change the rankings as you have them now, if at all. I just think that not including it in the deliberation is a shame.
Other than that I thought the video was stellar. The rankings are very close to my personal opinions so that means they're accurate, right?
I just wanted to mention that Egwene's talent of Dreaming isn't that she can enter TAR, but it is that her dreams can foretell. I would definitely consider that a Power Talent.
Perrin can do it as well so it's not a talent of the power
I would love to hear more about the 3 archers what the being is in the books,where the sedi have to go through to become sisters . Does Rand set it free. Can the archers be moved to trap the forsaken ones
@@TheKartana Perrin isn't a Dreamer. he doesn't see foretellings lol.
I think you missed on Avienda, objects of power. Although she rarely used any, she was able to read objects of power that no one else could.
Glad Moiraine made the list.
I started reading the books when there were I think only 5 out, I read the next 2 books, six and seven then stopped. I HATE waiting on books to come out. I know the books have been out for a long time but I am only now starting back.
I remember Moiraine dieing or disappearing in book 4-6 and well I really liked her even if she could be pushy and overbearing. She did what she thought she had to do to save the world. I missed her and thought she got a raw deal and hope she came back later on........
Well, I started last year. Lucky me :)
I was expecting more of Alivia towards the end.
Suprised to find that I agree with your list
I'd maybe bump Egwene up a point or two in Talent. Her ability to split weaves is astounding, even when dosed with forkroot. That's quibbling though, great video!
Check out the updated version of it I made about a month ago
@@NaeBlis I subscribed to you, and I'm watching the playlist that contains that video now.
So many good memories, I'll have to reread the series again soon.
i like your listing, however i would like to know your thoughts on the song the tinkers are looking for and the flash back Rand sees in the glass tree forest
I think they were looking for the song that rand used to grow the forest and when meeting tuon the second time
1. Aviendha does gain access to some ter-angreal and angreal too, she helps Elayne sort out the cache from Ebou Dar, and is loaned an an'greal several times which face it, would have been hers if she was from the white tower.
2. Damer Flynn heals severing/stilling BECAUSE of Nynaeve, it is hearing what Nynaeve does to Logain and looking into that that allows him to figure out the male way of doing it. It doesn't affect his talent, but he does it because of Nynaeve. Also it is clear that a woman healing a man results in no loss of strength and a man healing a woman results in no loss of strength. We know a woman healing a woman from stilling results in a great reduction of strength, although never given an example, it is probably safe to assume a man healing a man from stilling/gentling would also be very weak.
3. Narshima would be a 9/10 if he is very close to Rand and Logain. He hasn't reached his full potential either.
Also Nynaeve, Aviendha, Narshima, Damer, Egwene Rand, Graendal, Lanfear , Elayne
4. Egwene is a 5/5 for talents - come on dude, she rediscovers travelling., I suspect Sorelea discovers this weave because of Egwene too, Egwene discovers the flame of Tar'valon weave too in addition to Cuendillar, and dreaming is a HUGE thing, not just being able to read the future which Perrin, who turns out to be the king of tel'aran'rhiod in the end can also do, but not as prolifically, it's huge dude, while dreaming is not restricted to channelers it is far more common amongst them, it is possible Egwene is a dreamer because she is a channeler, which you can't disqualify her there. She is a 5/5 for talents. Egwene and Aginor are your biggest mistakes in this category imo. Egwene's flame of tar'valon weave is a talent category, how she uses it and what she accomplishes with it is one of the most powerful feats of strength in the book - in terms of power and usefulness Flame of tar'valon is as powerful as balefire, and travelling for women was the most effective weave of all. Egwene should be 20/25 above Logain, and Alivia,
5. Nynaeve is a 9/10 with the power (and she isn't even at her full potential by the end of the series), Nynaeve defeats Moghedien before she even removes her block, with very little training under her belt, she is no where near her full potential there, imo, she likely would have matched Alivia when she reaches her full potential, only Sharina Melloy, the Grandmother novice is stronger than Nynaeve and well anyone else without having being trained. Nynaeve can also sense incoming evil, as well as storms. No doubt she'd be windfinder level if she'd trained with them. I don't know if Ta'lann is stronger than Nynaeve, when they meet with the blow of the winds, Talann is 16, Nynaeve in her early 20s, Nynaeve actually hasn't used the one power much and has only just recently lost her block, Tal'aan, though at deck hand level would have had far more consistent training than Nynaeve at this point though much younger so possibly would have grown more and is stated as being almost as strong as Nynaeve but not quite. Nyaneve has just accomplished a lot more than the girl though due to exposure perhaps. Ta'lann can learn weaves as fast as Nynaeve can and does best her twice in the end in t he duelling training - however Ta'lann has practised a hell of a lot more than Nynaeve at it, I would say despite Tal'ann's incredible strength when Nynaeve reaches her full potential and Ta'lann hers, Nynaeve would bet stronger. For strength in female channelrs it's probably the
1. Sharina Melloy - Grandmotherly novice discovered by the Saldea Ase Sedai
2. Nynaeve/Alivia joint 2nd
3. Lanfear
4. Semirahge/Graendal
5. Ta'lann
6. Egwene
7. Elayne & Aviendha joint 7
6. Elayne has the largest amount of objects of the power, she also duplicates them which is her main skill, she is as good as windfinders in the end with weaves of air and water when she trains with them and that's not even her full potential. Elayne's capturing of the throne of Andor and winning it, even able to manipulate Perrin out of the crown of the Two Rivers (relegating him to steward Lord, even though he will get the throne of Saldea and the two Rivers, Elayne's duplication of the fox medallion is instrumental in a couple of Mat's' victories, I would have her at a 3 or 4/5 with talents and skills and a 4/5 with feats of strength. Power wise she is 6/10, and object sof the power she is 5/5 which would but her at 18 or 19/25 on par with Alivia and I would have made the list the Top 11 channelers for the light.
All in all, modifications to an otherwise very good list.
1. Egwene gets 3rd spot after Nynaeve
2. Elayne comes in on par with Alivia or just behind her on par with Logain even though both are stronger in the one poer.
The process for a man discovering a weave will be completely different to a female discovering a weave and vice-versa so saying he did it “ because of Nyneave” isn’t accurate Imo. Otherwise you have to take away the discovery of travelling from Egwene since the men did it first and the women were all aware of that, and were very motivated to get channeling for themselves because of it.
@@LouisKing995 Yeh, but it doesn't change the fact that Nynaeve does the impossible first, and once she does it, Damer now knows it is possible. He then manages to figure out how using the male half.
He uses the principles from Nynaeve to figure out how his half can do the same thing. He would not have known to do it or likely even bothered to try to the point of discovery if she hadn't done the impossible first.
But it doesn't take away from his remarkable achievement, but it rather elevates Nynaeve's imo.
@@jonathangooding5020 Why do you imply he wouldn’t have tried ? You have no reason to think that. This an age of discovery, men are channeling freely for the first time in thousands of years. Purely your own opinion that without Nynaeve Damer wouldn’t have discovered it himself
Love your videos. What weed do you smoke ?
Nice list, I agree.
Aviendha has a turtle brooch loaned by Elayne and was used in the Shayol Ghul fight..
Aviendha also made a tube of air and pulled water from a river to put out the fires that the bubble of evil made out of the guards on the house they were staying in in the gathering storm i believe
thanks for the spoiler though :3 enjoyed the videooooooo :3
Liked the ranking
You said that Elayne didn't do well in having objects of power. Now while I understand that being able to make them would go into talent, she learned that in part by being around them a lot. Including ones that let her dream, an a'dam, which may be evil, but is still a item of power, several that she made and the seed that Rand gives her which can let her make angreal.
While none of these are as impressive as some of the things that others use I'd be hard pressed to say that combined they weren't fairly impressive.
Where is Elaine (sp)? Did I miss her in this? it seems like she would be included.
Yo, the sign in the back is hilarious
@Nae'Blis Do you play Ingress?
Wait, with Avienda you missed something I feel is important to mention... she opened a gate from Charien to Seanchan without even knowing how to travel... sheer intuition allowed her to open a Gate... I think that counts for something...
Elayne had all the objects found in the storeroom, and was equivalent to avi at least as far as strength. She was able to make objects of the power. Got that one wrong for Shure. Also was surprised to not see any on the aiel wise ones on the list, although I guess I can understand that. Might have been better to do top 20.
I know this is over 4 years old but to be fair to the Aiel, we don't TRULY get a grasp of their channeler's strengths, just that they are stronger than they thought in comparison to the Aes Sedai.
With the exception of Elayne not being on the list for some of the reasons mentioned by other comments (rediscovering a lost talent of making angreal which is part of your list should get you on the list), you nailed the list.
guess that should give her an automatic 5 on objects of the power
I knew what 1 & 2 were going to be going in. Can't argue with them.