Switching from T500rs to CSL Elite
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- Another steering wheel, another switch where I explain and compare in a detailed way 2 high quality steering wheels.
FAQ:
Q-How many degrees have both steering wheels?
A-1080° on both.
Q- Will you sell the T500rs?
A- Not for the moment, but in the future yes.
Q- Why do you tap on the throttle while downshifting?
A- That's the heel-toe technique. I explain it in less than 5 minutes here:
• Epic Lesson - Heel and... - เกม
My next video will be a review about GT Sport! Is it the right occasion for Polyphony Digital or a total disappointment? Stay tuned! ;-)
viperconcept it's actually PS4/pc base and xbox steering wheel)
Could you also do a PC2 vs GT Sport? Congrats on the new wheel!!
viperconcept WHERE'S MY AC!? 😭💛
viper, I have an idea. For the next AC championship, on of the races should be a showdown between the Ferrari FXXK, the McLaren P1 GTR, and an Aston Martin Vulcan mod. I don`t know on which track though.
viperconcept I’ve been looking everywhere for a review of GT Sport with the fanatec CSL elite.. omg I’m so excited. On the fanatec website it shows NO compatibility with GT Sport so if you could just get into that in the GT Sport review. Like some questions I have are.. Do you get proper force feedback because of the no compatibility? if not will a Cronus max adapter or similar fix this? Please and thanks :D
next ---- Switching from CSL Elite to car
Actually after this what could he switch to?
@@mustafasaqib1688 prolly an aeroplane
@@mustafasaqib1688 An direct drive wheel is the next level, but after that, theres nothing better to get
@@RafaelFerraz4979 oh ya I forgot about that!
@@RafaelFerraz4979 full motion rig
The T500rs does have LEDs and a handbrake, but they're optional extras.
Pissed out my brain at 2.45 in the morning and did not expect to bump into Larry on my current youtube binge :)
That moment in life when your computer costs about 500 euros, and some wheels arrive at 900.
AtOmIc NeRd 900€ is only mid level mate haha, shit gets crazy with direct drive wheels
500? Thats one graphics card and maybe one hard drive... Anything under 1500 you'd have to lower graphics settings. So go with 2000, and keep upgrading if the value decreases.
@Damir van Hilten My laptop is from 2009 and kinda broken, so maybe it costs 350 euros
Well I don't know what shit you are buying with 2000, but mine costs $1000 and I play 80% of games at high settings, you can build your own for $800 and get the same results
I am talking ultra settings on every game out there, on multiple monitors, and very demanding games. Space Engineers for example.
ViperConcept the break pedal is heavier to stop you from locking up your brakes, when you get used to it you will see that it is very useful when breaking.
how does it work?
It's a load cell. Instead of being a spring resistance and measuring brake pedal travel it measures pressure instead. The body is better at remembering pressure than travel. That'd why you're able to recognize instantly when something is wrong with your brakes.
So true. It takes a bit of a time to get used to it but once you get used to it there is no going back. It feels more natural and gives you same effect that you get in a real car.
who else remembers the switch from Logitech to thrustmaster?
Cal Romens feels like it was only a few months away
Pedro Simões it was indeed 6 months ago
Edit: nem reparei que eras pt, mas pronto hahah um abraço
Cal Romens it was beautiful
I remember it like it was yesterday....actually it was yesterday lol....it's a beautiful moment
This is about to happen to me in following few weeks. Just sold my DFGT and about to buy the T300RS Ferrrari Integral setup.
Great video viper. Happy that your time as a contributor getting views and subs has paid off so nicely. A testament to your content. Keep it up.
Loved this video btw, and the music was chill af. From watching your videos I've changed how I play my racing games. I've gotten better and can't wait to be able to buy my steering wheel.
You do understand that the Fanatec brake pedal is a loadcell yeah? No mention of that in the vid. And that's why is stiffer.
That is right. Brake pedal is load cell pedal and why is so hard but at the same time it is like in real cars where the harder you press the pedal the harder you break. Not to mention that CSL Elite brake pedal can be adjusted to be more hards or soft. And for me another important thing... man can use CSL Elite pedals (and hand brake and probably a gesr shifter too) with other manufacturers steering wheel. I'm gonna use CSL pedals (with load cell brake) with my T300 wheel base.
Tomasz Staśko I'm going for the Fanatec V3 pedals i think purely because i like a stiffer throttle and clutch pedal and theres no way to adjust the stiffness of those pedals on the elites i don't think.
Yes, in CSL Elite LC you can only adjust stiffnes of the brake pedal. For me it is enough :) I'm rather casual racing games player, but load cell brake pedalis really great, it is more like driving a real car.
BUZZIN HORNET get stiffer springs.
TooManyChoices1 I dont think u can on the fanatec Csl lc pedals
1. You can change the thrustmaster pedal positions as well. Even up and down as well as left and right
2. Thrustmaster has a handbrake too
It's more fun to drift with footbrake tho
@@tilentgamer8758 no lol
@@tilentgamer8758 lol you dont prob even know the difference. foot brake is all four weels and hand brake only the back 2 wheels
@@tilentgamer8758 lol everyone here dont understand preference. A front brake bias will lift the rear wheels allowing oversteer and then drifting.
Now try some ultra cheap 20$ or less wheel
Krzysztof Dolecki logitech dfgt is that cheap
Nah, Logitech DFGT is about 50 $, I can not find it cheaper.
Sorry mate... they don't really exist
I bought one of these days for $ 15 without a power supply.
If you're looking for a cheap wheel look for a used logitech driving force gt (pretty good ffb for a beginner, 2 pedals, shift paddles no shifter), it can be found for under 40 euros.
Or if you wanna spend a bit more, you can find a logitech g25 (which has better ffb, 3 pedals and a shifter) for like 80 euros. I just bought one for 75 shipped to my door. (btw euros and $ are almost equal, 1 dollar=0.8 euros. So you could actually get them for pretty much the exact same price but in dollars.)
If you go cheaper than that there's no force feedback(ffb), so it's barely better than a controller, pretty much a waste of money. And there's no wheels for 20 or under, but you can find some for like 50, but again, for 50 a new wheel will be trash, so look at used stuff.
I v only driven with g29. it can looks like a toy, but even on long session and after thousands of km, it seams quite reliable. this is a good point
I've been dreaming of CSL elite with clutch and h shifter but 850€ is a lot of money. Thank you viper for this video
Alexander Inkiö
Piece it together. The fanatic stuff works with other manufacturers parts. So by it peace by piece.
black Friday sale cal bundle 299 us and euro
csl not cal auto correct
get a cheap wheel and ClubSport V3 pedals. I have G29 combined with ClubSport V3 pedals. Good pedals are far more important than a wheel.
I literally can't buy it. I'm in the us but usaa doesn't support paypal. (Apparently fanatic only takes paypal on first purchase) so I'm sitting here sad with no wheel
Hope some company sends you a a new monitor soon, mate.
This postage stamp you are driving on is a disgrace.
Love your videos, keep up the good work.
Ahaha! thank you!
:P
Dude, your such a good driver and your videos are very enjoyable, great that your being recognised for your efforts, i brought the G29 with H shifter and custom made a wireless handbrake (so i don't void the warranty on my g29) but this set up was down to cost. if i had the money i would be buying the CSL, keep up the great informative videos.
and this, ladies and gentlemen, is how you make a great video without saying a single word. great job :)
i live in brazil, i'm a mechanical engineering student, no work, no money and i don't have a computer and steering wheel to play, but, awesome videos as always and keep it up with the good work
Mateus Cesário Keep going mate! I am an italian Mechanical Engineering student!
Um ano se passou, conseguiu?
It's been 2 years. You don't better with work and money now?
The music in the intro : Nostalgia overloaded. :O :O :O
I'm pretty new to gaming and don't usually write comments but you never fail to supply useful information. Thanks
I write this comment after listening to nothing but negative feedback about all the crappie drivers from other people on TH-cam. I play forza on xbox-one I'm 63 and have been playing about 10 months and always play solo so I don't bother good drivers. Been a subscriber since I started. Thanks again
Congrats on the new wheel - she's a real honey. Still on my T300. Looking forward to your GT Sport review. Been playing it myself. Totally different game, and I have to say, the online racing is top quality. Its shocking really - I totally expected to find so much trash, but online its been just such a great community and some really great clean driving.
I think the whole construction of how the game is designed to promote people to drive better, and that knowing the only way to go up is to drive with respect, has just made this huge and awesome online system. Looking forward to what they do to it over the years now that the platform is on place.
4:40
GOD ARM
6:43 some pretty quickboi movements right here
not really
And here I am... loving my G29! xD
Me too lol
Me too, but proper drifting is out of the question 😔
@@wavybump G29 is enough for drifting
This is the exact switch im doing had a t500rs for years finally upgrading.
Nice choice of music. GT Lounge/Jazz music is some of the best i've heard.
Just a comment: Your wheelbase is the PS4 CSL Elite and the steering wheel is Xbox :P You marked it the other way around!
Also, the pedal is heavier because it's load cell based. It measures pressure instead of travel, which is a better way to be consistent with your braking
Bro please can you make a video comparing project cars2 and gt sport and which one should we buy
Two weeks more and viper is the new virtual drift king, i love your vídeos
love the vids man and i love your pro attitude. Keep doing what you do
I just bought G920 as my first wheel :D
Thats a good choice
Nice I'm finna get the g29 wheel since I play on PC and PS4 I can basically be able to use it on PS4 PC and Xbox exclusive racing games lol
If someone only plays only on pc i would recommend the g29 over its g920 brother because it has 5 buttens more(the turnable red ring counts as 2 of them to me)
I went with a Thrustmaster TMX Pro as it was about £30 cheaper at the time. Would like to have a bash on g29 one day
g29 have revlights
Why do people rev the engine when making a down shift? Is it something to do with rev matching?
Yea, when downshifting in some cars in a corner it will send you spinning if you dont break and match the revs with your heel at the same time. Keeps the car stable by not suddenly reducing speed from the downshift.
when you want to down shift witout the clutch you need to do that
he answers that question in the description
More smoother than the steering wheel is the music and the quality of the vid thanks viper
I really like this kind of videos, they are so professional! Btw those wheels are so superior compared to my g920, i wish i had a larger budget...
So GT Sport has come out... Viper we are waiting for a review :P
arcade imo .. i drifted on that game ...
Let me say this.. i dont know how to drift in ANY game except for arcade games ... assetto corsa? nope Pcars1 ? nope w/e mate just saying ^-^ likes and dislike is not better or worst ...
Noctina Tatakai Calm down, no one said that gt sport is a sim because it isn't...but that dosen't make it bad
GT Sport is the usual GT shit. Avoid and go play a real sim such as AC.
calm i am, read you should =p I said is arcade coz how i felt to play it ... was on a friend house also i dont have a PS4 .. it was cool game but im not saying is bad or so... im saying is likes arent the same as worth or not ... if you like the game .. buy it ... if you searching a simulator maybe there is other better option
Ant Thompson So just because it isn't on the same "sim" level with AC or other sims he should avoid it? This is kind of a stupid argument, isn't It?
for the heavy pedal thingy, i think itz ok coz itz like driving my real car.
using V3 pedal btw, u will love the heavy pedal mate, no worry
You can mount the Clubsport Handbrake directly to the Clubsport Shifter. The Shifter comes with some additional parts that you can place inside the grooves of the shifter base. With these parts, you can mount the Handbrake on the left or right of the Shifter for a "rally car" like experience.
Good video I am going to to buy in the near future the Fanatec v2.5 bundle for Xbox currently using the G920.
Keep the awesome videos coming they are very helpful. Thanks 👍
hahahaha I love that sneaky handbrake mount
congrats man
now you need a bigger screen haha
Azianbuffet He needs VR
Diego Kausel I would wait with vr tbh
just jump to VR, no reason not to
No need to wait, VR is a one-way ticket. I very rarely play a non-VR game since I got it
@ArdaBlock I can give you a reason. Although I never tried VR, I watched gameplays on VR. It's good to watch for one time or two just because of curiosity. But it's a terrible thing to watch all the time and enjoy. While sitting and watching a VR video (especially in racing) through monitor, makes me tired and distract because of all the shakes and random turns of camera.If viperconcept jumps to VR, I don't think I could watch his videos all the time and I believe great amount of people would do the same. Btw, sorry for bad English.
Thx for the comparing. i use the t500 and so far it works, i will use it. Later, if it‘s broken, i will think about a better one, like fanatec.
Thank you for an honest and throrough review! I'll stick for the time being with my Thrustmaster setup but I can see an upgrade to fanatec in the near future... maybe when that direct drive wheel comes around...
Fanatec brake pedals are to heavy
G29: hold my rubber
Didn't you know you can adjust the th8a shifter to have a heavier shift
Good point
Mitared62 Just in case he didn't know thats all, I'd love to swap to fanatec 👍👍
how?
bhBlacky82
In the shifter there is a screw for that
ha.. thank you, i'll check that out. maybe it makes the shifter a bit better
That intro sound brought me back to the late 90's Playstation time.
Thank you, This video answered a lot of my questions. I am thinking about upgrading my Logitech driving force gt to either a thrustmaster or fanatec but not sure t300,t500 or fanatec. I love the pedals on the t500
My steering wheel broke. I am thinking of buying a G29. What do you think
It's a good steering wheel to start. Maybe the steering wheel diameter is a bit small, but despite that the wheel give you a good FFB and nice driving sensations. Remember to buy the G29 H-shifter too (it's relatively cheap).
Its a good whell, i prefer the g920
viperconcept I heard that the pedals on the G29 aren’t really the best, but I haven’t tried it .
I never actually had a wheel, I’m kinda looking for the thrust master tmx, as it’s not that expensive and reviewers say it’s good.
What do you think?
@Tantareanu Jimmy Remember the G29 is the cheapest steering wheel that offers the Clutch pedal too (and the H-shifter is easy to purchase).
The brake pedal is pretty hard to push, but once you get used to, you don't care.
No problems on the Clutch and on the throttle pedals. But the pedals are available on "F1 mode" only: if you mod them to put them in "GT mode", you cancel the warranty.
I didn't tested the TMX yet, so I can't give you advices about it. Sorry. But I'm sure it hasn't the clutch pedal. However it isn't a big deal if you play Formula 1 games and drive sequential transmission cars.
viperconcept Of course having a cluctch pedal is really nice, the thing is , I’m mostly driving (in games) semi-auto or sequential gearbox cars, so that’s not really a problem.
As for “F1 mode or gt mode , that’s not a problem, I find both of them entertaining and easy to use.(I tested some, not sure of the model, though)
I think I’ll go with the tmx, as it’s a little cheaper.
Let’s see what Black Friday has to offer. :)
Today, in September 2019, ‘I killed my T500’
Sam Stewie How ?
I purchased the first gen fanatec csw base along with the bmw steering wheel and sequential shifter when they first came out and it is amazing ' glad i spent the extra money when i did
No doubt, that is the best compare between two wheels , and when i saw you turning with Csl it was really visible smoother...
I'm driving now with a G920 , which is surely not comparable with the both of Two, but i switched from Tx ( which went broken after 1 and a half year ), and i had the same impression between Tx, and G920.
The Force Feedback of the Tx, was kinda giving me for sure, more ( and accurate ) information , but the feeling i got from the drive itself, it was of much smoother and accurate reaction, and made me easy to reach some good times on lap , than Tx.
What i did not like of the G920 in despite, is the resistence of the gears of the Force Feedback which went broken very fast when i tried to push it over 70% ( on Assetto Corsa )...
Now, Logitech gave me really fast a New one, without make too much questions, but even with the New one, i'm not gonna Try to push it so hard, cause doesn't give me the feeling of a better resistence than the old one.
I wish to know what is your opinion about Tx compared with G920 or G29.
Congratulation again for the quality of this review, obviously i subscribed the channel
8:55 ha ha lol. Love it
N-nani?! Vipero drifto?
Kore wa AE86 dorifto desuka
Noctina Tatakai HATSHI-ROKU!
Hachi roku*
Noctina Tatakai weeeeb!
I love you too!
Wow, Christmas Day comes early. Congrats man.
love the original play station theme. also love the vids keep up the good work
First review I've seen only in text form. They should have sent you a mic LOL
Lmao .. mic and sign language assistant.
Wait until you figure out what the load cell actually does to that “stiff” brake lol. It’s not a potentiometer ! It measures force not distance like a real brake. To get full brake you will be digging in if you don’t adjust the load cell.
I made mine match my cars brake feel lol.
a real brake does not measure distance...
oh my goodness, that intro brings me back to the awesome days of GT2!
Ooooooh such a good feeling to hear that Playstation startup sound. And what a good surprise! Had to rewind and hear it again. Thanks for that.
That ps1 startup theme
i wonder how it's compare to old logitech g27 :)
Basically the G27 and the G29 are the same steering wheels. The main differences are:
-The design
-The PS4 compatibility
-The brake pedal which is stiffer on the G29.
That's all.
You can watch the video I made when I switched from my G29 to the T500. ;-)
Logitech G27 have 2.3 Nm torque compared to G29 - 2.1 Nm and G25 - 2.5 Nm
You get a like for taking me back in time with that PlayStation intro.
Just love the Playstation startup sound!
And dont forgett that the fanatec h-shifter can switch to sequential
remember kids
if you want to go faster:
R = rocket
My biggest take away for me with this video is.... you're able to actually sustain a drift in Project Cars 2?!! lol
Solid Shepard it's not pc2
It’s asseto Corsa if I’m not mistaken
I can drift in PC2 what's the issue your having ?
You definitely never player the first PCars :^)
Rockett Sally we are talking about pc2 tho...
Nice wheel upgrade!!
thank you for this video. it really persuaded me to buy the CSL elite. :)
Haha, Seen viper drifting almost made me feel good at driving, its mean, i know, im sorry!
H a H
Its gloves not glowes!
H a
Ha
I have no life
HAHA, the right is "i don't have a life"
i don't do either
I don’t understand the joke
I love the way you mounted the handbrake XD
Any updates on the Fanatec or Thrustmaster set ups durability over the past year?
So, in short:
Logitech G29: "Toy" wheel XD
Thrustmaster T500RS: Casual Racer's wheel
Fanatec CSL Elite: Pro Racer/Drifter/Rally driver's wheel.
No matter about what wheel is bad, what wheel is good... and who deserves a "win" in this comparison.
In the end, the REAL winner, is the one who use it... *you*
Wise words.
I wouldn't put T500 RS in the casual wheel category though. It costs $600 and it should be in the mid range category and even the G29 should be an entry level wheels for sim racers but far from being a toy. A toy wheel would be a controller or a wheel without force feedback for playing NFS and stuff.
Opposite Lock
The "Toy" wheel is actually referencing him about the difference that G29 has with both wheel. Still, G29 is a good entry lever wheel for sim/sim-arcade beginner.
are the g27 and g29 differences so much?i think if i buy a csl elite or t500rs one day i cant fit it to a wooden desk because of ffb right?
It's not unfair to call the G27 a toy wheel even if it's not "casual" or representative of your competitiveness or passion for sim racing. I say this as someone with a G27 unless I find better for very cheap secondhand. It has lower end plastic components and internals, the gear force feedback is rough (and noisy and clunky) and not mechanically authentic to the feel of a car, and 11" diameter is unrealistic for anything but formula style wheel rims. The shifter is also one of the worst H-patterns on the market.
900° of rotation and leather/aluminum feel still counts for a lot, as does aluminum paddles and pedals with unique resistances and shapes (even if progressive brake resistance would be better). I wouldn't be as harsh as to call the wheel a toy controller, but I have no qualms saying the shifter is built like a toy, and a bad one at that. What the hell kind of design is a shared 6th/reverse gate on a gear shifter?
T300 > T500 🤘
hell no lol
Jean Oeuf T150 > T300 haha jks
I have T150 but am upgrading to CSL Elite when I can afford it :-D
Awsome video, as always
congrats on your upgrade. i do have the t500rs too, but will wait until fanatec drops the upcoming dd wheel, when its in a fair price range, they got me ;) but definitly no those pedals, the inverted ones, yes.
Thank you for the vid , Ive been on the fence on my up grade and Fanatec csl elite bundle is the way I am going.
My first ffb is a t150. Lol
Is that the fanatec ebrake? I've got the fanatec set up but was curious if you can use a different brand ebrake other than the fanatec one.
Great video! Still thinking about a wheel and which one to buy... helped a lot!
congratulations! have fun viper :)
I haven't had a racing wheel yet... is it possible to use the thrustmaster pedals with the fanatec wheel?
Wondering what website you purchased these? As looking to get a racing set up for myself. I have the base set but would like to get this wheel and such from watching your vids.
About TH8A shift stick, it has a screw to adjust more or less force intensity on the shift stick. I have one and it's very sturdy.
Have you had any problems with the belt slipping or anything on the CSL yet ?
I had lots of problems with the old Fanatec GT2 and GT3 RS wheels and I lost trust in Fanatec after that. After I bought a T300 though I had no issues ever since apart from the buttons pressing them self's for no reason sometimes.
Did you ever do a 1 year follow up on the CSL Elite? I'm not finding it...
as always, have fun with our new rig viper!
Nice setup
So out of curiosity could you effectively frankenstein it such as taking the thrustmaster pedals and shift but the csl wheel and hand brake or would it turn out to be terribly inefficient?
Great video overall! But at 7:37 you say that the Fanatec CSL Elite "...has faster reactions." What do you mean by that? More resposive aka no delay or that the FFB (force feedback) is felt quicker?
Thanks in advance!
Hey @viperconcept, any leads on how the Fanatec handled after those years regarding reliability? :)
Hello 👋🏼 did you make a follow up video to this one? I want to buy a Fanatec but I don't know if its reliable.
Can you have a fanatec setup but with thrustmaster pedals or is that a bad idea?
good music relaxing while studying
Just a little note about Fanatec CLS Elite Pedals. I also use the softest breakmod, but additional you can also lover it inside the software for the pedals. I just bearly touch my break before it is om full breaking, but uses the soft first bit of the break with no responce. Just check out your software for the pedals and play a little with the setting, and you can get a very soft break-pedal :)
can i ask a questions? what s do you thinks to the T300rs ferrari 599 alcantara edition compared to csl elite, i think a change T300 for the csl elite but i do not know, help me to decided, thank you!"
with the TH8A shifter you can adjust the tension if you want it harder or softer.
you deserve it mate. thanks for the review. have fun!
thank you ^^
hi, im a bit new in sim racing, and if i want to play dirt 2.0 rally, which is the most suitable steering+paddles+shifter+handbrake set would you recommend?
is it hard to mount the T500 pedals on a playseat or an F1GT seat?
Does the GT and F1 style make the feel different or its just the position and the look
Isn't it a bit strange choice by Fanatec to have the gear paddles move with the wheel or is that how it works in real cars? Thanks for review I am deciding between these 2 setups right now. Only thing I am doubtful about is if the wheel gears gets in the way or feel weird when they follow movement?
Hi there, just slightly off the topic. I’m about to buy the csl elite for PS4 + V3 pedals and bmw wheel. Do you reckon this set will be still compatible with the PS5 ? I’m scared to spend €1200 and found out soon it will not be compatible 😅 Thank you. Great channel.
Would you say to save up up for a g29 wheel with a wheel stand, or just buy the csl setup with a wheel stand?
Hi, i'd like to buy this fanatec csl. It's my first steering wheel since gp3 was released. Can i survive with the 2 pedals version? Or it's extremely important have 3 pedals?