45-70 Bullet Drop - Demonstrated and Explained
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45-70 Bullet Drop - Demonstrated and Explained
One of my favorite, an older caliber that has stood the test of time. Good for bout anything a man needs to stop. Thanks again WTW for this great series. God bless you and your family. 🙏🏻 RIP JuJu. 🙏🏻
The only Government I have respect for!!
The leverution and the barnes vortex are GREAT out of mine. And the deer don't argue
Love the Levergums with or without scope!
Used to have a lever action Winchester and 45-70, that thing kicked like a mule and hit like a sledgehammer. Used to shoot aircraft armor called noroc armor used in Huey helicopters with it, it would take those ceramic plates and smash them into powder, folding that 35 lb plate in two, the second round would rip the plate entirely in half, this is at about a hundred yards distance
Sounds like some pretty useless “armor” because a ceramic plate used by foot soldiers will stop it
Had to have at least one green beret with a lever gun.
Gear to grab before the jump
M16 nah
M14 nope
Tommy m1a1 not for me
Ithica 37 uh uh
R700 or 870
Nah man pass me that Winchester 45-70 and a couple bandoliers.
Just finished putting a scope in my 1895 tonight. I don’t like the looks of a scope on a lever gun but aging sucks and for ethical hunting I needed it!
I hunt with it in OH because they require straight wall rounds. Not my first choice where straight wall not required. I wouldn’t try taking a deer beyond 100 yards with it anyway.
Good information for my Miroku Winchester 1886, 45-70, Octogon barrel, full length magazine, pistol grip, crescent butt plate, 3A side scope mount, tang sight....I Love It....Keep up the good work....
I love the 45-70. I have the Henry, all weather. I have the iron sites on it. I have thought about a scope, but it looks so good without it but it's easier to see at 100 yards with a scope. Grate Video.
Why hunt with a 45-70 WHY NOT!! Great vid! Gravity is strong with this one!!
Love that caliber
You did it again. Chin weld scope mount, I can see that your readers admire your shooting stile. seriously a low power scope mounted as low as possable would be a much faster rig. By the way I bought my Marlin M95 in 1972. It is a short range rig but I dont care.
Love the 45-70 round .
Me too!
Screw the haters, WTW. I'm thinking about putting a little can-type red dot on my Marlin 30-30, a friend of mine has a reasonably priced one on his 10-22 and it might as well be a scope, just no zoomies.
Fell in love with the 45-70 after getting a Henry lever gun chambered for it, and having just built a precision rifle in 300 win Mag I selling it so I can afford a Pedersoli Sharps or high wall reproduction in 45-70 and also gonna have to get a BFR revolver in 45-70 to go along with my Henry when I can afford it.
The scope doesn't make me cringe near as much as the mount. Turns your cheek weld into more of a chin weld lol I think some lower rings will help your consistency. First rifle I learned on was a Marlin 336 in 30-30, iron sights with a Williams peep on the rear, and to this day I can still put 5 rounds on a Skoal tin at 100 yards but she's getting old (made in 1952) so I've been looking at upgrading to a newer model potentially with some glass on top. But you really can't beat an iron sighted lever action for still hunting through the woods, so who knows what I'll do
Quite the drop! A lot like flinging a bowling ball out there! Good old 45-70!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
I love my 45-70 with my scope on it it may not be one of them long shooter but it's my favorite gun in my safe thanks for all the info you put out with you videos WTW keep sharing the knowledge thanks
I just bought a browning 1885 in 45/70 I haven’t had a chance to sight it in yet, however I never thought much about shooting a 45/70 past 100 yds. Thanks for the video. You do a great job.
45-70 is my favorite caliber, I own 3 of them and 1 is the 1895g, much milder recoil but still pack a helluva wallop, great video WTW, keep the coming
I've never owned a 45-70 and doubt I ever will. I'm still watching till the end, love the vids!
Every rifle I own has a scope. It just makes sense to use one.
I love my 45-70 rifles, I have a Marlin like yours, and a Remington rolling block that shoots black powder and a 530gr bullet. I have shot it in BPCR matches out to 600 yards, lots of drop and if you set your spotting scope up beside you can spot your own hits.
One of my favorite caliber's will be interesting to see this👍
And your dads most favorite of them all. Have a good weekend bra. Uncle Joy. 👍🇺🇸
@@joelmcmahan7386 You too buddy
the numbers that they print on the boxes of ammo are typically achieved with test barrels that are usually much longer to produce "better numbers". usually the test barrel length will be optimized to burn all the powder to achieve the highest possible velocity. your barrel is probably 6" shorter than their test barrel, i would be interested to see what your chronograph results with that ammo/gun combo would be...
Favorite caliber, thanks for the video
Good demonstration. Appreciate you taking time & ammo to give us your experience.
I was looking at the Henry repeating arms site & 3030/45-70 are recommended for125 yards or so for deer hog, elk ect. But they do have Long Ranger series 223 ,243 , 6.5cm ,308 . Congrats to you & son hunt !
I missed live, love the 45-70 . Thank you WTW
For those sayimg the barrel is to short thats just not true because most of the factory ammo is rated out of a 24 inch barrel and a 4 to 6 inch difference in barrel lenght dont make a huge difference not like a 6.5 cm or other long rang cartridges which have to have a longer barrel the 45 dont lose that much from inch to inch
I was planning on picking a 45.70 up. And landed on a ruger 77 @. 44 caliber. Already had a ton of ammo for the Redhawk so I never did get one. And since I live in MI. & we have the weird shotgun zone in the south. The 44 does it. Thanks you know WHO 🙃
I love a 45.70 lever gun! Nice rifle buddy.
Thanks, Adam! Big BOOM!
That's a beautiful rifle and rig
I am sure that bullet is not leaving your barrel at 1,880 fps. If you incrementally lower the velocity input number in the ballistics caculater until the 200 yard drop equals 20 inches you will discover the actual muzzle velocity.
Barrel length has a lot to do with bullet drop as well. I have a marlin SBL and a Winchester 1885 both 45/70. Marlin has a 18” barrel and the 1885 has a 28” barrel. Same ammo shot out of both guns, hits very differently.
Precisely.
Absolutely. This short barrel version is really a "guide gun." Over 100 yds it turns into an artillery piece.
Barrel length affects bullet drop inasmuch as it affects the muzzle velocity of the bullet. The longer barrel will generally result in higher muzzle velocities, which will then result in less bullet drop.
The factory most likely used a longer barrel and because of that had higher velocities.
For my 45 Raptor, the ballistics published for that round (same as a 460 S&W) is usually for a 6 or 8 inch revolver barrel, so I get much higher velocities out of an 18 inch AR-10.
Sight in 3 inches high at 100 yd and still hold dead on at 50 and 200 yards.
Very amusing with the 1000-yard drop...you only have to figure how to hold 100 feet above the target!
Love me some lever action tools. Can't wait to see the outcome. Keep the videos coming.😀😀😀
So your reality is you have a 150 yard rig. A 20” drop at 200 yards is no surprise. Wouldn’t mind seeing 1 round at 25 yards just for reference. Nice video. You are becoming more polished in your presentation and performing well in your chosen craft.
I’m with you. With a 2 inch scope mounting higth, a 25 yard shot could/would be useful.. with the typical gun scope set up there are 2 “zero”(s)” an ascending and descending. If his rifle was “zeroed” on the descending point of impact, a 29 inch drop at 200yrds would be expected.
20 inch drop
Choose a pbr
@@timothyboone5003 scope heights make almost no difference. Run a ballistics chart its next to nothing.
I took my wyoming pronghorn last year at 124 yards with 300 gr federal power shok ammo out of a Marlin 1895 dark series 45-70.
A really fun video! 😀
I got a Henry 45/70 w/a vortex 3x9 scope love it sighted in at 50yds don’t really care about 1000yd data should not take an ethical shoot I’ll stick with close range made up a-load with 49 gns of 4198 IMR and hornady 300gr bullet works well
I bought that same Marlin 1895 four years ago and put a Skinner peep sights on it, turns out to be my favorite hunting rifle. I use the ghost ring for hunting as I have not ever taken a shot on a deer at more than 50 yards in the farm lands and woods of Indiana. I have taken deer with the Winchester 300 ammunition you demonstrated and I had no idea of the drop at 200 yards, interesting. I have other calibers in 30-30, 270, 308, and the forever default 30-06 however I like the 45-70 for brush as nothing stops it. Shot a buck through a sapling tree and dropped it like nothin was in the way so that's why we hunt deer with 45-70. OH! And I love the lever rifle. These bullet drop demonstrations are good information and we appreciate your efforts. Thanks for posting.
How about the 338 Lapua magnum next? Barrow one from someone cause they're not on the budget rack :-)
Man. 41 grains of 4198 on a 405 jacket bullet In my 1895 Marlin will group 1.5 at 100 yards and 200 is a respectable 2.75 .. but 41 grains is a compressed Plus P load.. only use in modern rifles..
I’m pretty sure the discrepancy in your real life results and what the box / BulletDrop chart says is due to your “ ACTUAL” muzzle velocity. I’d like to see you shoot that same ammo and some other 45/70 Govt. Ammo across your chronograph and then crunch those numbers. I think you’ll be surprised. As always another awesome video brother.
In the state of Mississippi 45-70 is considered a Primitive weapon. I’ve taken a lot of deer with my 45-70 and everyone I’ve ever shot dropped right in its tracks.
Notice on even your rifle the factory site has an elevation ladder to move the site up to maintain point of aim. The drop was accounted for and some of the old military rifles adjusted past 1000 yards. Look into a yearly match called the Quigley shoot if you want to see what is possible with your 45-70
Try sighting in that rifle at 150 yards to flatten the trajectory. Or sight it in at 200 yards.
Sighted in at 150 yards.... yep, 200 yards, probably not a good idea unless you're using a ladder sight and not a scope. Any shots under 100, you would have to hold under the animal. Far more shots are made under 100 yards than the long-range for this type of cartridge unless you hunt out West.
The 45-70 is my favorite cartridge and I shoot it in a 1895 CBA. I cast my own bullets and load it mild to upper level of trapdoor levels. A real hoot to shoot
My favorite! Neck shot a doe with a handload. Love this caliber!
I have a Marlin 45-70 GBL with a leupold scope. Love it.
Sight in one inch high at 100 yards, then your point blank range, ie your zero hold point will be extended. That massive slow but hard hitting projectile is being lobbed. What did Tom Horn say? “ It has the trajectory of a rainbow.” Have the round strike the 100 yard on its way up. I have not put this idea to my ballistic calculator but I expect this would lessen the sting of such a fall off past the 100 mark.
On some of those programs, sight height is measured from the center of the bore. Not the top of the rifle\mounting area. This could throw you off in your calculations. So check in the program.
Also barrel length plays a big part on velocity so Chrono the rounds to verify velocity before you run the chart.
Hey Señor! You need a 35 Remington Marlin 336! I promise, you’ll love it! Excellent combination-rifle and round-for bush hunting elk type critters. Bears, moose, elk don’t stand a chance inside 150 yards. Just put it where you know it should go!
I added the Bushnell AR Optics Riflescope 1-4x24 to my 45-70 and 10-22. Great scope at an awesome price point. Both rifles are absolute tack drivers!
The ammo data is probably through a 22 inch or 24 inch test barrel which would give it less drop at 200 yards.
I have a 1985 Marlin JM 45-70 live the rifle! Great video 🦅🇺🇸 I reload for it!
That 1880 fps is probably from a 24" test barrel, and "optimistic" at that. You probably aren't getting more than 1500 fps. Some chrono testing will probably shed some light on things.
If you watch real close and/or watch at 1/4 speed, you can see the bullets dropping in at 200 yards.
😯 yup!
Yup, shoot it over a chrony. Or take the computer application for bullet drop and change the velocity until you get that 20 inch drop at 200. That should be pretty close to your real velocity.
My Henry 45-70 has a red dot, since I still hunt in the brush it is perfect for relatively accurate but very quick target acquisition. I have never shot at anything out past 100 yards, you just cant see that far where I hunt. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I have never had one go more than 50 yards after shot. Before that I used a model 94 30-30. That was OK, but you were never sure how far the deer would travel after being shot.
I love my Henry's, but I'm also a Ruger fanboy as well. I know Ruger will bring back Marlin to it's glory day's. So many guns so little time. Tell Paul I'm still praying for him!
I seen where the new Marlin .45-.70 has came out! Exile Armory had one today priced at $1500!
Just about my favorite straight wall cartridge especially in a break over rifle.
I hunt deer on the desert use a 270 long shots. Hunt elk in the coast range not much long shooting always use a 1885 browni g open sights have got several nice elk no shot over 100 yards. Worked well on big elk..use handloads 405 gr lead kinda juiced up..not for shootin off the bench.
If your 100yd and 50yd are dead on, you need a 75yd. Because of your scope offset, 50yd may just be on your rise by pure chance. If 75 is 2in high, at apogee, that lets you know your just crossing planes at 50.
45-70 @ 100 yds or less is a flat trajectory. It doesn't matter the length of your barrel or bullet weight. Anything past 100 yards is a learning curve. Bullet weight and barrel length and distance suddenly changes dramatically.
Personally I prefer a 405 flat nose up to 600 yds.
Past 600 yds I will use a 500 grain slug.
I'm shooting this ammo from a 1885 Winchester Highwall, 30 inch barrel and an 1874 Sharps also with a 30 inch barrel. I also have a Henry 45-70
lever action that I use for hog hunting. Our hogs in Northern Manatee county can easily top 600-750 pounds. You're only going to get one shot, 45-70 500 grain slug is the answer.
Did you check that ammo for fps out of your rifle it may not be going 1880 fps? That would explain having more drop.
45-70 is great for big dangerous game. Wish i had one just for fun! 😎👍
We called them rainbow guns and was dirt cheap back in the early 80’s ! Now they are thru the roof high !! Great video!,
Excellent video as always! I just added a scope on my 1895 as well. Getting older and having a hard time using Iron sites anymore. I'm in WV and I'm lucky if I ever have a 100 yard shot let alone 200 lol Most of my Deer harvests are 15-30 yards. I'll look for your video on the other ammo. I'm using the 405 gr Ultramax.
Great video Wtw, just to help you a little, those winchester charts are made with a 26 inch barrel, and you'res is a 22 I believe ? Or a 20?inch barrel, this along with you're scope mounted so high above the bore center line causes a massive bullet arch at two hundred yards. Which will cause a lower impact. My scopes are mounted a cards width off my barrels . This improves everything on accuracy. Thx for sharing.
Ya, it may drop alot but it still hits home like a sledge hammer! I've got a Marlin 1895 Cowboy Hex barrel in 45/70 and a 1895 Cowboy Hex barrel in 22lr!
I have a leupold on my 45-70, had issues with the base it came loose due the recoil, but locktite fixed it
Just missed the live WTW... bout to watch the video now though. I already liked it because I know its gone be a good one...
Thanks for the video. Different loads good do much better.
I sight in my 1895 with Leupold VX3 1.5-5X at 125 yards. Use Super X and hand loads Hornady 350RN.
I’m 3:30 minutes into this vid and just needed to say you are a bloody legend mate!
I think lever actions are good because chambering a round is intuitive and more easily done from lower than shoulder height - the 45.70 has good stopping power even off target
I have a forwarded mounted scout scope on my Marlin Guide Gun. Love it. With Hornady leverlution it has a 5 inch drop.
Slug your bore. Marlin 1895 tend to be overbore and mine measures .459". Factory ammo measures .458" to work in all makes of guns. That's why the 1895 generally preform very well with oversized lead projectiles that fill the whole bore... jacketed projectiles preform reasonably well, however lead projectiles generally preform better...
Most factory numbers are with a 24” test barrel awesome video 👍👍
45-70 was originally designed for Black Powder.
I wonder what kind of grouping you could do using black powder with a lead bullet.
I'm betting you lose the heavy recoil, and drop velocity, gaining a flater shooting cartridge.
45-70 was made for 45 cal bullet and 70 grains of ff black powder.
I guarantee at a lower velocity it will drop more. Can’t cheat physics. Dropping velocity means less flat shooting.
You definitely arent getting flatter shooting while dropping the velocity
Drop velocity and shoot flatter? You aiming straight down?
Ok ok, not flatter, But you can go with a heavier grain and lessen the recoil. Black powder 45-70 was used by buffalo hunters in the old times. That was a long-range rifle.
@donl4914
Yes, it was, and buffalo were taken out at 400 yards or more while using vernier tang sights with 500 - 540 grain lead slugs. Many shots went clean through up to 48" of hide and muscle.
Those black powder loads were only traveling around 1,050 - 1200 fps, depending on the 30" or 34" barrel lengths. Those old rifles were either Sharps, or Rolling blocks.
I have several of less, load custom black powder ammo foe them. I have competed in long rangematch's. One must know the distance accurately and their corresponding sight setting. The bullet drops are large as when compared to smokeles modern bottleneck cartridges.
As for less recoil..... not so much when using the heavy slugs in black powder cartridges. Now rhe 405 grain lead slugs will significantly less recoil.
I have been waiting for this 1
I use Hornady 325 grain ammo for really great accuracy.
45/70 is king!
I like mine. I use Hornady Leverrevolution (or however that's spelled).
Now I want to see you put a different scope on it and take it out to 100yds that would be a challenge but for the type of close quarter brushy hunting you mainly do the 45/70 is plenty accurate.
Nice Marlin Who Tee, I scope all my lever action Marlins. It's the only way to go!!! They are dead accurate with a scope!!
Its a fun cartridge. You can load em hot for hunting, or all the way down to plinking power. Have taken many deer with the round here in Oklahoma. Never had a shot further than 125 yards. No worry of some silly little branch getting in the way.
I'd like to see how it would group and what the drop would be using a different brand of ammo like the Hornady leverevolution or even the federal ammo.
Boo-lotts and Mutton Chops.....have never shot anything but 405 grains......love them . Moose and deer. My Daughter stole my 95...got here last 3 bucks with it.....cackles madly when she gets the liver........LOL !! 458 powder coated lead FN will bust some bone, but not destroy meat.
Very cool very informative love the 45.70 gov
Love my CVA scout 45-70! It kills the deers real quick!
I love the 45/70, but that is around that greatly benefits from reloading… I most of the ammo is low power for older weapons, but if you reload you can really get the maximum out of a 45/70 and it will definitely impress you…
Open sights I’m good for every bit of a 100+ plus yards but if you put a good scope on the weapon it extends that range drastically. Sort of an idea of accuracy I’ve shot .223 casings at 75 yards with a Remington 700 chambered in.223 and I’ve shot 3/8” screws at 110 meters with a Dpms arms sass chambered in .308 every time I pulled the trigger. 3 rounds 3 screws, I couldn’t shoot the 4th screw because then we’d have had nothing to hold the target up 😂. Great video by the way WTW you are an awesome TH-camr and a great shot as well, it would be a pleasure to shoot with you
Keep up the good work!
My shoulder hurts just watching this video!!!!!
I’ve got the same 45/70 with a leupold vx3i 4.5-14x50. It’s pretty consistant with the super X ammo, but I have found mine likes the blue box federal 300 grainers. I’m hoping to take a deer with mine soon.
Whats wrong with putting a scope on it?
Technically, nothing. But I get why he said it. Most think the 45-70 isnt for longer range due to how big and powerful the round is. But in all honesty the 45-70 can be extremely versatile depending on the load used and can compare to calibers like .300 win or 30-06 again depending on the load used
You can see the incoming round! Cool!
45/70 for Straight wall deer cartridge states. That want big knock down power without paying $6 a shot for over priced shotgun sabots. I have a 350 legend and am not impressed with energy transfer. This is why we’re watching you. And if you can take those Hornady 325 grains out to 300 even better. Ps borrow the CVA again. My Savage 220 is very accurate but the energy of the 45/70 is awesome.