This story really solidified my respect for Ludwig. To be able to admit you were scammed, talk about it openly so others won’t be scammed, and change the SCAMMER’s life for the better in the process, is a testament to his character. He sets a great example
He hasn’t changed the scammer’s life! That’s a fallacy! If he really could stop on his own do you think he’d stop now at a high stakes gambling tables in Vegas? I understand Ludwig wanting to help him out but at the moment Greyson or whoever he is is just preying on Ludwig’s good nature to get away with it.
@@naveendennis That’s very true, and it very well might not change his life at all, however, jail or debt won’t resolve his addiction either. His life is objectively better because of Ludwig whether or not that’s just
@@naveendennis calm yourself bro, I literally live in Vegas. With the leverage and information that Ludwig has now, especially the fact that he has a PI, Ludwig can force him to ban himself and will know when it’s done. Lud isn’t just gonna let him go around once he gained all this info. Plus, knowing the strip there’s a VERY high chance that even if he doesn’t ban himself the casinos prolly all have him on a blacklist or smthn to keep him out because of Ludwig. It will 100% work out I promise.
knowledge and awareness does little unfortunately. being aware that you're fat and the knowledge to lose fat does nothing to actually get in shape. degenerate gamblers will gamble. it's programmed in their dna.
I had my suspicions, it always felt a little strange he was just happy to gamble with Ludwigs money and "try" to get his money back for him. I think a bunch of us knew it was incredibly suspicious from the beginning though
I'm glad he told the whole story. I hope it has a better ending than it stands right now. I've heard Ludwig talk about his gambling addiction in the past so when I heard he gambled 40k I was really worried about him. The fact he was ok with losing 50k is kind of crazy though.
I’ve gotten scammed for 1500$ so I know how it feels. Knew this girl for a long time and she screwed me over with a fake story needing to borrow money. Never lend and money to any family or friends. Ruins relationships
It’s actually pretty touching that lud would choose to protect this guy from going to prison but Grayson should face harsher consequences. self banning/public shame isn’t enough - people don’t change easily, especially when it involves money.
@@zilliq it's the fact that lud believe in second chances. He still have all the information needed to put him away for several years. The future will tell if he uses his chance or not.
@@zilliq noone cares if he gambles again ludwig made him ban himself to prevent this guy from scamming other people by walking up to them in casinos and saying "hey im a proffesional gambler i think you should give me your money" he cant do that in online casino so it doesnt matter if he gambles in online casinos
@@sufu1998 he can still go online and scam people so easily and he sees now he can get away with a massive scam with zero consequences. He will continue to scam people over and over in new ways. He can’t do it in Vegas (maybe) but there are hundreds of casinos on the strip and even more off the strip so it’s still possible. Plus there are casinos in Atlantic City, Reno, even in Palm Springs. Now this guy can just go to any of those and continue his elicit activities. As the child of a serious addict I really wish he contacted some authority so this guy would face actual consequences and might ACTUALLY hit rock bottom and get help. Right now he is thinking fuck yeah I got $50k with barely any inconvenience to myself. Addicts will not think twice about continuing their activities knowing how easy this was to weasel his way out.
Ludwig in this video alone basically made a PSA. He's doing community work to educating the public. He created content to entertain us. There are lessons in this video. There are morals to be learned. There's empathy. There is just so much in this video alone that not many content creators ON ANY PLATFORM can quite honestly do.
I remember him telling chat about this guy when he got back from Vegas. We were all trying to tell him it was a scam but oh well, at least Lud can take the loss, and is willing to admit he was scammed.
Its a real shame I wasnt there for that stream, I work for the Australian version of Fanduel (same company different names) and if I had heard this I 100 % would have known it was a scam and I would have hoped Ludwig would have heard me out if I had donated. We see this shit all the time and it is a massive red flag. The second we hear someone has used someone elses card/bank account to transfer money over we would suspend the account and unless they can prove the link would take it straight to the cops. Happens about 10 times a day over here and people still fall for this shit even though its been through the news countless times
@@dezomolz Well like I said, literally the entire chat was spamming it’s a scam, so I’m not sure how much one individual would have made a difference. Lud did get nervous, but then called the guy, and the guy smooth talked Lud to trust him again.
Lud was insisting it wasn’t a scam because the guy had been making him money already. The guy gained Lud’s trust so he would send him more than what teachers make in a year, and then he stole it.
Ludwig, i feel like you really should be reporting this guy. Getting him banned from vegas doesn't stop him from doing this to someone who can't afford a 50k loss. He can go gamble out of state, or online. How do you know he won't just find another outlet to do this and eventually ruin someones life?
@@akshitgupta6712 He has a podcast with his roommates called The Yard :) Along with the episodes they post to TH-cam, they also have episodes on Patreon. 10/10 would recommend :)
@@biggrocc19 He could recoup it by pumping out meme reaction videos. At the end of the day 50k isn't much for him, like he said. It's an interesting video and obviously something people would want to watch. Plus the whole public shaming thing
It does not take restraint to take the vindictive route when you're wealthy. Sure, if lud had 100k net worth total, and just lost half of it, I could see why he could sue. But he's incredibly wealthy and has a constant stream of income. If he went through the law and got Grayson locked up, that would just be a terrible look
@@billjamal4764 I agree, if it were me who got scammed I'd definitely take the lawsuit route because 100k is enough to completely change my life, I'm glad it was lud cause ik most would prefer to go down the route I said
This is why I like Ludwig, he's tanking his $100,000 loss and giving Grayson a chance to have a fresh start on his life, when most people would want revenge. Mad respect.
honestly I would have more respect for him if he put grayson in prison and banned him from every casino. even if ludwig is rich, doesn't matter. justice is justice.
@@music4laur if he's the only victim sure whatever, if he's not then he's not thinking about the other victims. Unless he made the scammer return the money to all his victims. Then it would be some semblance of justice
Tell that to the victims of Grayson who can’t afford to just brush of a loss of money. When you scam, you know what you’re doing. You know you’re taking advantage of another person and possibly ruining their lives. No second chances for scum who take.
I saw this video and I was like, there’s no way I’m going to be able to listen to 20 minutes of this, but I did. Amazing story telling Lud, having the confidence to say you were wrong when your friends were right is really hard. Proud of you for choosing this selfless route to help others, rather than hide it.
I saw this video and I was like, there is definitely a way I’m gonna watch 20 minutes of this, and I did. I watched all 20 minutes and enjoyed luds great storytelling. The ability to admit failure takes confidence, and I’m proud of ole Ludwig for being so selfless. I bet if this video was 30 minutes I’d still watch it. And that’s saying a lot because every minute wasted equates to the price of a used Honda Civic
@@tink6225 What?... The reason I was hesitant to watch 20 minutes of this is because someone very close to me was also scammed in a similar way, and I was afraid I wouldn't be able to listen to even 5 minutes of this from the anxiety of reliving the experience through Ludwig. 😫😅 I appreciate you judging me from a random comment on TH-cam though xD Totally seems like it works out for you often. lol
I'm filled with nothing but respect for Ludwig, and even though he got scammed I thoroughly enjoyed this video. I'm hoping the effort Ludwig put into giving this guy a second chance does not go to waste🙏
I lost $2000 a few days ago from a scam because I thought I was going to get more money. I feel stupid. So this video kind of helps. I’m still grieving, but I’ll be fine. 😓
Gambling addiction or not, I wouldn't let him off. You really trust him to 'self-ban' and not do this shit again? Remember the last time you put your trust in this guy? He might be playing nice now, but that's because he's backed into a corner; he'll say anything for a safe exit. Letting him go 100% leads to him scamming more people.
Trust him to do it is the wrong term. He's hoping he will and is checking and validating whether he did before any action is taken. He's giving him a chance to turn over a new leaf instead of scamming another 100 people out of a grand to pay him back
Ultimate Bet (poker Website pushed even by ppl like Phil Hellmuth) literally scammed their entire customer base out of money, owners addresses are known - some island forgot what Carribean or SEA. PPL hired private dicks, took pix of them, etc. Nobody has the balls to do anything outside the law and inside it they are protected due to jurisdictions and bribes. TENS UPON TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PPL SCAMMED. This is small fish. PPL dont do enough because they are not ruined and those that are ruined cant afford to do anything. Also what is often the case with scammers like this is they are covering up their own failed investments or addictions and its often a pyramid scheme.
He’s not necessarily “trusting him”, he talked about it more on steam but he’s also retaining the private investigator to continue following Grayson’s moves and he’s independently confirming with all of the casinos that Grayson is indeed banned
Genuinely love how you handled this. People may say "soft, naive" and, yk, maybe I am too, but you dealt with the situation exactly how it needed. Hopefully this is his rock bottom and he will take control over his life again, and never do this to anyone. That should always be the end goal. Nice job my dude 👍
Honestly Ludwig is such a chill and humble guy. I would have lost my shit over this. I'd have felt so stupid and so embarrassed, but Lud honestly sees it from a very rational perspective. I know he's not exactly short on cash, but like, even if it was 1% of this amount of money, I'd have flipped out.
I don't think so and i'm talking from personal experience : a gambling addiction is much like a drug addiction sometimes it's not always about the money but the rush itself from winning big, i don't have hope that this guy is gonna stop gambling unless he get's basically an intervention or moves out of vegas, my money is on the house :)
Okay so Grayson is 23, the whole time i imagined some middle aged old man with gold aviator sunglasses, in a reversable suit, a Ron Swanson mustache, with a Brooklyn accent tellin Ludwig how he's gonna make him the big bucks
I think he messed with the right guy, since Ludwig has enough compassion to give him a second chance, enough clout and intelligence to hold him accountable and enough money that the loss doesn't cause serious harm. Like Ludwig said that kind of loss is the amount that would have killed or broken most people, but he has enough that he'll be ok. I really hope Grayson does comply and turn himself in to the casinos. If not, then Ludwig dropping the hammer of justice on him will be justified. I know of some families that have lost their whole life savings to scammers, and yeah, it ruined their lives. They lost their home, people got divorced, siblings got separated, they went from living a decent comfortable life, to starving and fighting for scraps on the street with debt collectors pounding on their door threatening their lives and kidnapping their children for ransom, or to be sold in slavery or social workers threatening to take the children because they couldn't afford to feed them. Like some of those kids were deeply traumatised for life from being separated from their families or put in real danger or being sold to slavery. I also know a guy that did get caught scamming for a similarly large some of money, and to this day we don't know if the lung cancer got to him first or the mob, but he did not live long after that. Grayson is super lucky that Ludwig is not throwing him to the loan sharks or in the slammer right away. Like he needs to know what a kindness a second chance is being given to him.
The funniest part of this is when he first started talking to this guy and dealing with him literally everyone with a functioning brain said he’s getting scammed and he refused to listen
Ludwig is a great human being. Giving him a second chance to redeem himself is noble and shows his sincere feelings towards a sick person. I wish ludwig years of success streaming as well as Grayson getting his shit together. Well made video
@@lokegrnbech1878 the worst people deserve the best help, because those make the biggest change. Good people can handle themselves and offer little risk to society without help
i got scammed out of 10k earlier this year and its the hardest thing I've ever had to go through and your testimony means a lot. it was so hard to get the courage to try to do something about it.
Our criminal justice system doesn't revolve around rehabilitation, but rather punishment. Props to Lud for doing what he did. I think that's the best option if you genuinely want him to change for the better.
What are you basing this opinion on? Most people get probation. This guy should be brought to the attention of the authorities. He's going to rip more people off.
@@GuyCovington Just see the recidivism rate for released prisoners in the US or how well police brutality is helping Black neighborhoods. This country has always had fascist tendencies and it's still accelerating towards that direction. The recidivism rate in a rehabilitation-focused country like Norway is massively lower (being a socdem also helps). Harsh punishments and violence get people even more radicalized because it can never fix the root cause of the issue.
@@EnigmaChess You are probably right, its not fascist. It is just Corporations holding America by the balls, lobbying Politicians to vote in their interest and not the people. Ever so slowly America marches towards a Huxleyan Dystopia, my family came over to the States in the 1800s and I believe I will be the first to try and find a new home somewhere else in the world. Probably the Nordic Countries, I love their general personality.
I’d love to hear more about the contracts they had in place. Especially if Aidan was there for that conversation. You can’t just send someone $50,000 without a contract. Everyone is wrong in this situation lol
The number of people praising him for not reporting the dude is insane. The guy has scammed in the past so it's not like it's a one of. This is how these people work. Manipulate to the end. If he had the chance to put a stop to it he should have done it. Now this guy can go on and possibly ruin lives.
@@luffyluck ludwig has said that he's requiring proof of the casino bans, and hired a PI to keep on grayson. He said that if he gets wind of more scams, he's going to the cops.
@@ironCondor623 yeah but it's as simple as moving or hiding. This should still have been reported. What about all those other people who were scammed? They have no say in this. If Grayson lied off rip why would he tell the truth at any other point.
@@ironCondor623 aye as others have said what about the rest who were scammed? They ain’t getting justice nor their money back and so what if he’s banned in casinos he can easily continue scamming people via online gambling or just move. It’s ridiculous how it’s supposedly a good thing Ludwig didn’t report him
Crazy how you chose to not report him to the FBI right away. You truly are a great guy Ludwig, giving people a second chance. Hopefully he never tries scamming again. Again, thanks for being such a good human being.
Grayson is so incredibly lucky that Lud is being so lenient here. If that was anyone else, there’d be a huge chance that Grayson would either be in jail or maimed or killed.
While I can appreciate the way ludwig handled it, I personally would have pressed charges. This guy didn't just scam a few dollars.. he scammed thousands maybe even millions from multiple people with the intention of doing it again. What happens if/when he finds a different way to scam people at that point you can't only blame the thief but also the person that let him get another chance to do it. Ludwig is fortunate enough to lose 50k and not end up ruining his life, will the next person be?
the guy would have to pay lud ~100k for the debt, plus the charges. you really think he would be able to pay that back without gambling of some sort or living miserably for many, many years? lud doesn't want that for the guy nor for himself, as it would likely burden his conscience. pressing charges would either do that, or get him into jail for many, many years. lud's decision wasn't the soft one, it was the one with second chances and faith in humanity; faith that grayson could become a better person.
@@neka_jp2070 this is the most dumb comment I have ever seen, the guy walk away free and will for sure scam more people in the future, after all he got away scamming people already. You need to be accountable for your decisions, and he should be in prison but hey until they scam YOU it will be no problem right?
morally I believe this is a better way forward, only real negative I see short-term is that the people who've gotten scammed by this person is missing out on potential(?) compensatory damages (aka some money back "or more") ....but that feels somewhat moot, when weighed against an early twenties kid. lets not fool ourselves, in the absolute most cases where a scammer is caught with enough evidence against them to go down, they're 100% screwed. Far from everyone gets proper help that they need along the way - someting we're definitely improving upon. But in the end it doesn't matter to the law. it's intoxicatingly refreshing to see the
@@onepoh4680@Jayson V. He literally said he will be hiring a P.I. and will report him if he sees any other shot going on. Obviously not cost effective (and he admits its petty af) but that's his plan to try and keep him accountable. Plus the guy is a semi-public figure, and if someone posts about getting scammed by him it will probably reach ludwig/the broader internet. The entire vid was about how he doesn't want him to scam again and if he does then he will report him with all of the evidence he has.
@@Whimsicat_ It's incredibly easy to change his name and move his business elsewhere or even online. The guy will not change, he might lay low for a bit but he will find new ways to scam people. People like this do not change overnight, they need real consequences to hit them and hard for them to realize just how wrong they were and how much it affects others. Be it from Gambling addictions, scammers, drug addicts, drug dealers, con artist ect ect ect.
Ludwig know that you are not alone. I was scammed out of 11,154 dollars as well a few years back trying to help my best friend through all of school who attempted suicide and his father who was asking to borrow money claiming to try to help that situation they were in. The only difference is these are people I have known for over 20 year of my life at that point. Come to find out his dad was actually going through a major mid life crisis and was spending the money on hookers and so he did not have to work. I will never forget the day when I didn't even have money to get home from working 14 hours that day and the weekend I seen them after. While his dad, my best friend through school, and his younger brother were in an apartment I payed for standing in that living room the person who was supposed to be my closest friend told me "It's only money get over it you are never getting it back" after he had just played 18 hours straight of ark survival evolved with no job for years on end at roughly age 24. That number to this day does not leave my mind after not talking to these people for three years now. My number may not be as big but the enormous impact that had on me as well as trusting people has honestly not been the same since. But on a positive note that lack of trusting people ended up leading me to owning my own company now with the logic being the only person I can trust when it comes to money is myself and I've never been more satisfied knowing that I am doing it better than the people before me.
@@amrali1380 sadly I wish it was. I worked for his father running his company in his absence during that time. From what I know from others the son is still alive but at the time he drove off a highway viadock traveling over 100mph and rolled his car onto a railroad track a bunch of times. The reason for him doing so was do to his own laziness of not having a job or making any progression for years on end so his girlfriend of 7 years decided to finally leave him after graduating her 4 year degree. Those guys were some people I considered to be family for quite some time as well. It may be something that may be seen as fake to you, but the memories of that 6 hour manhunt and having to contact state troopers to barricade off a state park with cliffs in it which is where it ended up being found out he intended to make his final destination at is pretty crazy to think about which is how he resorted to driving off that viadock instead. On a final note I will say this, I knew he was in a rough state when he sent me a message on a game we play asking for my email, I asked him you aren't going to do something stupid are you? His response- "lol no"- I sent him my email account and not by 5 minutes later I received a bunch of phone calls and a suicide email their. I merely posted this because of my loss of money and the impact it had on me personally but in reality the situation is so much more than that. Have a nice day.
15:03- Hey Lud, quick note: you never told Grayson he scammed you, so the fact he instantly assumed you were threatening him of scamming you means that he 100% scammed you and knew you were suspicious- nice little fact for you to know someone is guilty of doing something to you when they say they didn’t :] (or just a little detectives note if you will :D)
This just isn't true...? Anyone under loads of stress will assume the person is assuming the worst of them... Basically, this comment is just meaningless. (Detectives note :D)
If he really is a compulsive gambler and not just a scam artist you have just done the worse thing possible for his recovery, As a compulsive gambler myself (clean 30+ years now) I did similar things and worse to get my "fix"and was also given a "get out of jail free card" and immediately found a way around it and ONLY facing jail time and getting into therapy finally helped.
@@dvnmaycry You’re being extremely naive if you think Grayson wouldn’t be able to continue to scam people anonymously online or through a different avenue instead. He’s been doing this for years, he needs to face genuine consequences or he’s never going to change.
The only way this can work is if he's actually self-banned from everywhere. Problem is, I don't think shit like crypto casinos would necessarily honor that, so it's a self-imposed ban from any of those.
Couldn't agree more. I had a few friends who were heavy gamblers so I get the mentality. If he does decide to stop gambling, that would be admirable, but I really doubt it. Glad to hear you managed to clean yourself up! Cheers!
Honestly really respect Lud for what he did. I'm currently 23 (like Grayson), and I feel like at this age you can turn your life around, 100%. I hope he can get over his gambling problems and figure out how to be happy again.
This piece of shit definitely deserves jail time ... He scammed Ludwig who is fine losing 56k but he also scammed several less fortunate people. He needs to learn his lesson.
I'm also 23 and I think fuck this guy. He's old enough to understand consequences and decided to scam people anyway. He does not deserve a second chance
@@ToasterStronkle Well fuck, I scammed a kid out of his pokemon cards when I was in middle school, guess I'm permanently a bad person. Obviously this isn't a 1:1 comparison and scammers can fuck other people's entire lives over, but if you're only 23 and didn't kill someone intentionally or touch a child you probably deserve a second chance. Gambling is an addiction and affects the brain similarly to many types of drugs, addicts steal money all the time in order to get their next fix/avoid withdrawals. It's an act of desperation most times, should we lock them up forever too in your opinion?
You’re honestly one of the most honest and kind people I’ve seen on the internet. I’ve known you for years from melee but I have so much respect for this man.
I know Ludwig is all jokes and stuff, but this is a really fucked up situation if you think about it. I have zero reason to trust that the scammer is going to stop scamming people, just because he got caught. Especially if he is an addict.
Getting locked up for who knows how long is a pretty good deterrent, especially if the person who can get you locked up has millions of subscribers who know all about you.
You do hit the nail on the head. The guy deffinetely is an addict. The whole pattern matches up. I hope he will start recovery. And it would be amazing if you helped him get to that point.
I can't imagine how hard it would be to decide to take a re-coveryagent role of an scammed persons. The history needs to be remembered though and the help that was born through such pain and suffering. Mad respect to these *brian hacks online* that take on these role to help traumatized victims all over the world.
I get that lud might be okay with losing that kind of money because he's well off. But I feel bad for the other people, where even a 1K might be a lot of money for them.
Yeah true, this guy could have genuinely ruined some people’s lives with his scams... so it doesn’t seem right for him to get let off the hook so easily
@@blue1584 Idk i think its pretty clear he also had a massive gambling problem and while he definetely does deserve to go to prison for it Ludwig deciding to tank the 100k to first of all give him another chance at redemption and getting his life on track is way better for the society overall than taxpayers having to pay for another person in prison whos not contributing anything to society as opposed to becoming a taxpaying citizen. And as Lud said if he does that shit ever again he has all the evidence to get him locked up.
@@onnihalme2047 that makes as much sense as if some shitfaced piece of shit would rob / beat down random people on the street and you'd just say "idk man he obviously had problems with alcoholism", tf kind of logic is that?
Hypothetically anyone can go to the FBI website and file an electronic tip writing everything up and even say that Ludwig has proof from a hired private investigator of a crime committed to multiple people.
Perhaps, but if he does, Ludwig has the private investors case file to really drop the hammer of justice on him. So it really is just one chance to set things right.
Not to sure that is the right road to take. There is no way to know if he truly keeps his word, or if since he is already used to scamming people that he doesn’t immediately start trying different tactics to scam people. The money you lost might not bother you as much, but the money he probably scammed out of other people might matter more to them.
He cant prove he scammed others like he can him though. Sending him to jail and suing for the money he was owed doesn't really help those people except maybe some vindication but they should go to the authorities outside of expecting Ludwig to book him.
Based on the Private Investigators research, Grayson used the money he won off of Ludwig’s money to repay everyone else and Ludwig is the only one losing money here.
The whole "lost my money gambling" sob story is probably false to begin with, he probably just hightailed it with the cash and will just be extra careful to pick targets next time. He has enough money for around two years to plan more big scams. So Ludwig pretty much helped a scammer fuck more people. This should have been a hard lesson to learn, but he got away scot free.
@@Jumblebelle Do you really believe this? Come on, he is a serial scammer. He lied instead of paying back Rampage his measly $1k. His priority was almost certainly not to pay back all the people he has scammed.
I knew from the moment you called him on stream this guy was not gonna pay you out, and I think we all knew that, but I didn’t think he’d face any repercussions… he’s definitely lucky he didn’t scam anyone else it sucks you got scammed but I think you did the right thing
“Can’t pay you because I got robbed” “That’s bullshit. You scammed me” “Yes I scammed you Ludwig” “Pay me back” “My email got hacked” “That’s a lie! I’ll contact authorities if you don’t give me money” “I’m a gambling addict and I spent it all. I’m young and it’ll ruin my life” “Oh. Get yourself banned from casinos” “Okay. I’ll do that” “That’s good enough for me and I’m not pressing charges” How does this make sense Ludwig? He’s scamming you and getting away with it. I won’t be surprised if his name is not Grayson. Please contact the authorities!
If he does actually stop scamming, then I think that’s the main thing. Though there’s no way to guarantee that he is stopping. And I’m not sure the authorities would be able to give back the money he scammed people out of. Maybe liquify his assets? Even if he reports it and he goes to jail, that probably doesn’t really help in the long run. It’s hard to bounce back - especially financially - after being in jail. It might even encourage the scamming behavior after he gets out.
@@Veronicz You know what’s also hard to bounce back from? Being scammed out of your money. Scammers deserve no sympathy, they ruin other peoples lives for the betterment of their own.
@@Veronicz you catch scammers mainly to stop them from scamming more people. Yes it is unlikely that Ludwig will ever get his money back but that’s not the point of catching scammers. He’ll have multiple victims by now and there’s no way he’ll have it all in assets. I have no problem with having sympathy for this guy but my concern is that most scammers weaponize empathy and basic human decency to get away without any repercussions for all their actions. One more thing about scammers like him is we don’t know what motivated him to start scamming people and there’s no indication that he has the discipline to stop himself from scamming people by himself without external help. I think if he just gets banned from casinos he will find a different place to scam people. Someone who scams people out of 100k will not stop scamming at the drop of a hat.
The guy will just do online bets/scams. Forgiving the debt just gives the impression that it's okay to scam/gamble other people's money... The guy should release a book/video titled, "How I scammed a youtuber for $100k and got away with it" He'll probably make a couple mill off of that + the royalties to the movie adaptation
agreed, gambling addiction is actually way harder to kick and more destructive than drug addiction IMO. It rewires your brain completely into constantly chasing that next "guaranteed" win. With how easy it is to gamble online he won't even notice the in-person ban. It's one thing to gamble your own savings away, but its another to become such a slave to the game that you start scamming people out of their money and losing it on your own escapades. Dude belongs in a cell, maybe then his dopamine junked brain will associate the punishment with his actions.
You're right that this Greyson guy will just gamble and scam in other avenues. A gambling addiction isn't the same as a substance addiction, but it's similar in that gambling addicts almost never just go cold turkey. They also almost never stop destructively gambling on their first serious attempt to stop. Online gambling is easier and more accessible than ever now. I don't know if this Greyson guy has the smarts to do online scamming, but I wouldn't be particularly surprised is he does. And if he does, he will likely never get identified because it's much much easier to conceal your identity in online scams. I think Ludwig's heart is in the right place, and his decision is reasonable, but unless he's not mentioning specifics about why he thinks Greyson will actually stop, it's likely that Greyson will destructively gamble and possibly scam again in ways that aren't as tracible. People usually do not succeed in quitting gambling. xQc, Train, Adin Ross, and even Ludwig himself have admitted having gambling addictions that they aren't over.
I got mad respect for Lud and how he went about this, it isnt easy admitting our mistakes but its even harder to take responsibility for them and make sure they dont affect others. I seriously hope the scammer changed their ways, and I also hope Lud goes through with handing them over to the FBI if they dont.
Gambling is a terrible addiction. It's on par with alcohol. They literally have support groups...This guy will without a doubt find a way to do this to more people. You have a lot of faith in people though.
My exact thoughts, a very kind gesture for him to let the kid go and not ruin his life but there's really no way to completely stop someone from gambling, especially when they're addicted to it, they'll always find a way.
Ludwig, much respect for your way of thinking, its very honest and respectable. The work you put in is undeniable and your morals are in the right place
I remember hearing the story on the yard but this is a wild and sad ending to it. It's sad because the person has an addiction and is likely to reoffend. Lud's decision has good intentions, hopefully there's aren't any bad consequences that come from it.
Luckily for Grayson, Ludwig is a millionaire so he wasn't as desperate for that money. If it was anyone's last 100k, Grayson would need to watch his back
@@akkico Andrew Tate. Complete dick, sexist pig, also pretty fucking dumb. There's a Mogul Mail on him and a bunch of other commentary on what a moron he is
I envy having that level of mental clarity - and financial comfort 😖 - to handle a situation like this that well. I genuinely feel impressed and uplifted by your morale, and respect for other people. Thanks Ludwig ❤️
So good that you were open and talked about this!!! So many scammers use shame to help get away with it. Also liked how you were merciful. will be very interested to hear if he stops scamming others...unfortunately don't think he will be able to stop but hope so!
Hope this guy finds the will to change and realizes his actions have consequences. Hopefully he rights his wrongs and gives the money back to the people he scammed.
Why would he? If he's already duped someone with the mugging story, he's not going to roll back up and give them money (the kind of money he doesn't have, and can only get by scamming people). Trusting someone who's shown themselves to be a remorseless liar is the height of naivety. It'd be a different story if he came to Lud and confessed, but he was caught out, realising he'll always have a papertrail at the casinos (which is also why he's imposing a self-ban; that particular casino's no good for him hunting for marks anymore now he's been flagged as a scammer - he'll just move to a different casino and/ or adopt an alias).
This makes my blood boil. At the very least it sounds like you have enough information on him to hold him accountable. But I can’t honestly say I hope he doesn’t slip and he gets in legit trouble. This punk is getting off way to easy for the amount he’s probably screwed people over. I don’t think his entire life should be ruined. But I also don’t think he needs to enjoy the whole 70 as a free man either.
Spending even a second as not a free man is sentencing him to a screwed over life. The second he gets a record it becomes near impossible for him to get a sustainable job. The reason that most people who get out of jail end up right back in is because they end up needing to resort to illegal ways to sustain their lives. If this guy went to jail he would come right back out as a criminal and would most likely resort to even more harmful ways of getting other peoples money. Ludwig is giving him the chance to turn his life around without the downside of having a record that will make it impossible for him to get a real job.
@@khamazon8893 There are plenty of jobs and opportunities as a non violent felon to get a decent livable wage. Is it harder? sure, as it should be. But not every job even requires a background check. The majority of felons that fail to integrate back in society are the uneducated and those that grew up disadvantaged who never had real skills to succeed to begin with. The scammer is some kid that clearly has good social skills at the very least. But I’m fairly confident he’s educated and has plenty of real world skills to not be forced back into a life of crime. If he can’t lead a decent life after some time, that’s solely on him. If he fails again, I don’t think we need to give him anymore pity anyways…
@@jukappa see this is the difference in nature between someone like Ludwig and someone like you. You believe a young person who makes a mistake deserves to be sent to prison and sentenced to a life of hunting down second rate jobs just to keep a living, whereas someone like Ludwig believes that people deserve a chance to fix their lives before being sucked into the never ending cycle that is our prison system.
@@khamazon8893 Am I supposed to feel like that is some sort of valid argument? Just because you agree with Ludwig and also think that EVERY felon is sentenced to a lifetime of poverty doesn’t mean you’re just right.
@@RandomBruh I’d argue this scare tactic won’t help just as much as you’d argue it would. Just like spouses who cheat, many just end up being serial cheaters when they get a pass from the significant other. I’m aware It’s not exactly 1:1, but it’s just one example of arguing for the point that people don’t necessarily learn a lesson if they aren’t actually held accountable. Regardless, I just don’t see how he’s going to do anything different now. Ludwig was saying in the video that he was taking new bets to help pay for other bets. So he’s been digging himself in a hole with multiple people and now that he is basically outed, he’s going to have a target on his back and will probably have to risk doing it again to avoid trouble from someone else. I really don’t see this having the happy ending you guys all think.
Addiction makes people do some pretty wild stuff. Its a horrible thing to either be physically or mentally addicted to something and just feel this aching pain to revolve your world around that thing. Even smaller addictions can take up so much of your time or health yet can be so painful to walk away from. People who are addicted NEED help. Ludwig did something truly special here. Its like an animal in a trap, they might be lashing out biting and clawing at anything and everything, but they are also desperately just trying to escape but dont know how. Sympathy is important.
DAMN LUD... Respect for being able to talk about this at all, not only on stream but MAKING A TH-cam VIDEO ABOUT IT. I have never been scammed but I know it is somewhat common, specially in the USA, for old people to be scammed. There's a TH-cam channel that is completely about stopping scams and annoying scammers via calls (Channels name: Scammer Payback). You should watch some of their videos on stream
There should be more programs dedicated to giving people better judgement in general, so that you don't need to enforce anything, as they'll make the right choices anyways. Like a gambler's anonymous for normal people.
*Johnson spy* , I really admire how you stay focused and always remember there are victims, real people, losing their money and even killing themselves because they are ashamed at falling for these scams. God bless you and keep you,Damn it feels good when you expose these guys, for some reason, other TH-camrs are nervous to do so. You're the king!
Vegas isnt the only place a scammer can gamble/scam. He'll keep doing it regardless of whether he bans himself from vegas casinos. I'm not gonna claim to be an expert but I do have a degree in psychology and I can tell you he will find a way to keep doing what he does unless he gets some serious therapy/help.
Sure but how is getting him in prison going to help? People here keep saying how he should go to prison but the US prison system would literally do the opposite of helping this person.
@@link4232 That's a stupid answer, it's not about time in jail, it's about being useful for the society as a whole. I guess you don't know or care but the country you live in expects you to work and pay taxes, you are of NO worth in jail to anyone, in fact, he would keep spending money but from everyone instead of a select few. In my opinion, he should be made to give back money to the amount that would make sense but not waste everyone else's money in jail, that's for sure. Plus I would expect him to get psychological help.
That guy is very very lucky to have gotten off that easily. If it was someone else in Ludwig's position he might have not been that lucky. Also interesting to see Ludwig's decision about the scammer's punishment. Eradicating the problem from it's source rather than punishing someone to a point of no return and giving him a 2nd chance, of sorts.
Came from the stream, interesting to see more of the story. I think you handled this situation in a very mature way. Cette situation est folle à chier et je ne pourrais pas imaginer être à ta place. Hope QT feels better soon and things get better for you and grayson.
Ludwig explained this very well. When that gambler was doing well gambling, that's when he can give you money from the wins so easy. But when that gambler started losing, that's when he couldn't pay you back. It's better to say the truth than lie. In philosophy, Lies is worst than Evil.
Just love this man. I really love him how he handle all this situation. Might i can say he’s the nicest person in this whole platform. I hope u get all the blessings that u deserve champ💚
Lud ima be real. I think you are somewhat right in not getting him arrested but in all fairness there are many ways where he can continue to scam. I think what he has done is certainly enough to be locked up. The countless people taken advantage of should all come together to decide. IMO I would have stopped him. Just a theory but he will move states and start over again
I respect that Ludwig admits he was scammed. It definitely brings more awareness to a serious problem. Scams have been increasing lately. Yall be careful out there and don't trust people especially online, if you can't talk to them. At least he gives this guy a second chance. I hope Grayson actually learns.
You gotta watch out for statues of limitations. Basically authorities can only do so much within a certain period of time. Just be careful with the delay.
true, if you break it down haha "Here is an empty promise, just trust me based on nothing" …… hmm OK here is 56000. Some people don't deserve to be this rich smh
@@Etienne_H Its definitely not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be. Ludwig had been working with Grayson for what sounded like a decent amount of time at that point and had taken his money out during that time, giving that sense of trust
The problem with an addiction like this is you can't just stop. At least putting him in jail would be his rock bottom. Sometimes being compassionate compounds the problem.
@@jwm1444 You don't seek treatment until you hit rock bottom. If you think this is the bottom you are naive. He can get that treatment in jail. He won't outside in the real world. He will be back to scamming within days.
@@FunSize141 I never said this was rock bottom, and also there is no guarantee that he's going to hit rock bottom in jail. He could just meet other scammers and get better at it.
@@FunSize141 at the risk of sounding like a dick, I think you just want this dude to go to jail lol. There is no perfect solution for this. Treatment may not work, and jail may not work.
Gotta respect the way you handled this situation, funny how me losing $1000 lead to the truth of a way bigger scam
you were the dude in the messages?
oh snap, Rampage involved. Americans are nutty.. GG lud good lad.
Yup
it's absolutely sick the lengths people will go to to get a quick buck, gg my guy ✌🏻
crazy to think that if you never did that he would still be scamming people for hundreds of thousands
This story really solidified my respect for Ludwig. To be able to admit you were scammed, talk about it openly so others won’t be scammed, and change the SCAMMER’s life for the better in the process, is a testament to his character. He sets a great example
*tried to change the SCAMMER's life for the better.
I hope Greyson can turn it around, but we're not there yet and addiction is powerful.
He hasn’t changed the scammer’s life! That’s a fallacy! If he really could stop on his own do you think he’d stop now at a high stakes gambling tables in Vegas?
I understand Ludwig wanting to help him out but at the moment Greyson or whoever he is is just preying on Ludwig’s good nature to get away with it.
@@lewesc you’re all too trusting! Stay safe out there! 😅
@@naveendennis That’s very true, and it very well might not change his life at all, however, jail or debt won’t resolve his addiction either. His life is objectively better because of Ludwig whether or not that’s just
@@naveendennis calm yourself bro, I literally live in Vegas. With the leverage and information that Ludwig has now, especially the fact that he has a PI, Ludwig can force him to ban himself and will know when it’s done. Lud isn’t just gonna let him go around once he gained all this info. Plus, knowing the strip there’s a VERY high chance that even if he doesn’t ban himself the casinos prolly all have him on a blacklist or smthn to keep him out because of Ludwig. It will 100% work out I promise.
can’t say i blame him for monetizing his loss of money
Slimes gonna get another heart attack like when Ludwig accidentally bought $50,000 baseball tickets
Money is temporary, clout is forever
@@Jeremy-bt8lo lol nah he laughed at ludwig when they found out it was a scam
He’s slowly UN-scamming himself
Man’s double monetizing it with the yes and this
bro that cat is so chill
Deadass ludwig is tossing his hands all over the place and coots is dealing with it for the pets
gambling is dogshit and i hope everyone keeps becoming aware of the dangers it has on anyone it touches and the people around them
knowledge and awareness does little unfortunately. being aware that you're fat and the knowledge to lose fat does nothing to actually get in shape. degenerate gamblers will gamble. it's programmed in their dna.
hey nick
Big facts
Makes me sad seeing these guys get into it this deep....
Good content tho
I remember him telling us about this guy on stream, wasn't expecting him to actually be a scammer cause he seemed so chill and normal.
i mean the guy bar for bar said he wanted to "earn ludwigs trust"
literally the entire chat blew up full of red flags lmfao
I had my suspicions, it always felt a little strange he was just happy to gamble with Ludwigs money and "try" to get his money back for him. I think a bunch of us knew it was incredibly suspicious from the beginning though
scammers wouldnt get very far if they didn't seem chill and normal
That's what sociopaths do. They're very charismatic and make you feel like they're trustworthy but it's all a ploy to get you to let your guard down.
it was pretty obvious he was a scammer from the very first video. most people could see it lol
I'm glad he told the whole story. I hope it has a better ending than it stands right now. I've heard Ludwig talk about his gambling addiction in the past so when I heard he gambled 40k I was really worried about him. The fact he was ok with losing 50k is kind of crazy though.
I’m sure he’ll be just fine lol
I mean worst case scenario he gets to make more content out of this, that will help mitigate the loss some
@@IsThisDustin He’ll recover from this for sure - $100k is nothing to him lol. But also, gambling addiction is really no joke
I don’t think he’s “ok with it” so much as he’s at peace with it, ya know?
Concerned for ludwig like a parasocial andy LMAO
I’ve gotten scammed for 1500$ so I know how it feels. Knew this girl for a long time and she screwed me over with a fake story needing to borrow money. Never lend and money to any family or friends. Ruins relationships
Do you still have the evidence, you can still recover your lost money
It’s actually pretty touching that lud would choose to protect this guy from going to prison but Grayson should face harsher consequences. self banning/public shame isn’t enough - people don’t change easily, especially when it involves money.
Yeah I don't see how self banning from Las Vegas casinos will prevent him from gambling in online casinos or sport betting
@@zilliq it's the fact that lud believe in second chances. He still have all the information needed to put him away for several years. The future will tell if he uses his chance or not.
@@zilliq noone cares if he gambles again ludwig made him ban himself to prevent this guy from scamming other people by walking up to them in casinos and saying "hey im a proffesional gambler i think you should give me your money" he cant do that in online casino so it doesnt matter if he gambles in online casinos
@@sufu1998 he can still go online and scam people so easily and he sees now he can get away with a massive scam with zero consequences. He will continue to scam people over and over in new ways. He can’t do it in Vegas (maybe) but there are hundreds of casinos on the strip and even more off the strip so it’s still possible. Plus there are casinos in Atlantic City, Reno, even in Palm Springs. Now this guy can just go to any of those and continue his elicit activities. As the child of a serious addict I really wish he contacted some authority so this guy would face actual consequences and might ACTUALLY hit rock bottom and get help. Right now he is thinking fuck yeah I got $50k with barely any inconvenience to myself. Addicts will not think twice about continuing their activities knowing how easy this was to weasel his way out.
Funny how lud can turn his worst experiences into content for us
Exactly
Ludwig in this video alone basically made a PSA. He's doing community work to educating the public. He created content to entertain us. There are lessons in this video. There are morals to be learned. There's empathy. There is just so much in this video alone that not many content creators ON ANY PLATFORM can quite honestly do.
@@echung168 Exactly
Turning Ls into Ws.
@Chips ASMR Fan still the revenue that he will get from this vid will only make up for a fraction of what he has lost.
I remember him telling chat about this guy when he got back from Vegas. We were all trying to tell him it was a scam but oh well, at least Lud can take the loss, and is willing to admit he was scammed.
Its a real shame I wasnt there for that stream, I work for the Australian version of Fanduel (same company different names) and if I had heard this I 100 % would have known it was a scam and I would have hoped Ludwig would have heard me out if I had donated. We see this shit all the time and it is a massive red flag. The second we hear someone has used someone elses card/bank account to transfer money over we would suspend the account and unless they can prove the link would take it straight to the cops. Happens about 10 times a day over here and people still fall for this shit even though its been through the news countless times
When he talked about this guy the first time I was like "Yeah that's a scam... I hope he's kidding and not giving him more money" but oh well
@@dezomolz Well like I said, literally the entire chat was spamming it’s a scam, so I’m not sure how much one individual would have made a difference. Lud did get nervous, but then called the guy, and the guy smooth talked Lud to trust him again.
Lud was insisting it wasn’t a scam because the guy had been making him money already. The guy gained Lud’s trust so he would send him more than what teachers make in a year, and then he stole it.
i was in chat saying scam lol
Ludwig, i feel like you really should be reporting this guy. Getting him banned from vegas doesn't stop him from doing this to someone who can't afford a 50k loss. He can go gamble out of state, or online. How do you know he won't just find another outlet to do this and eventually ruin someones life?
17:11 - Ludwig is planning to report him to the FBI
@@connor_button Only if he catches him doing it
He mentioned on his patreon that he hired 2 PI's to keep an eye on the guy.
@@SkellyCass ludwig has a patreon?
@@akshitgupta6712 He has a podcast with his roommates called The Yard :) Along with the episodes they post to TH-cam, they also have episodes on Patreon. 10/10 would recommend :)
I'm genuinely impressed, this takes a lot of maturity and restraint to not only admit you got scammed, but to not take the easy vindictive route.
He's literally just trying to recoup some of that 100k by making a video lol
@@biggrocc19 He could recoup it by pumping out meme reaction videos. At the end of the day 50k isn't much for him, like he said. It's an interesting video and obviously something people would want to watch. Plus the whole public shaming thing
@@biggrocc19 "hes trying to recoup the money he lost by doing his job"
It does not take restraint to take the vindictive route when you're wealthy. Sure, if lud had 100k net worth total, and just lost half of it, I could see why he could sue. But he's incredibly wealthy and has a constant stream of income. If he went through the law and got Grayson locked up, that would just be a terrible look
@@billjamal4764 I agree, if it were me who got scammed I'd definitely take the lawsuit route because 100k is enough to completely change my life, I'm glad it was lud cause ik most would prefer to go down the route I said
This is why I like Ludwig, he's tanking his $100,000 loss and giving Grayson a chance to have a fresh start on his life, when most people would want revenge. Mad respect.
If he scams ppl with not a lot of spare money, he def deserve jail
What did i do?
honestly I would have more respect for him if he put grayson in prison and banned him from every casino. even if ludwig is rich, doesn't matter. justice is justice.
@@music4laur if he's the only victim sure whatever, if he's not then he's not thinking about the other victims. Unless he made the scammer return the money to all his victims. Then it would be some semblance of justice
Tell that to the victims of Grayson who can’t afford to just brush of a loss of money. When you scam, you know what you’re doing. You know you’re taking advantage of another person and possibly ruining their lives. No second chances for scum who take.
I saw this video and I was like, there’s no way I’m going to be able to listen to 20 minutes of this, but I did. Amazing story telling Lud, having the confidence to say you were wrong when your friends were right is really hard. Proud of you for choosing this selfless route to help others, rather than hide it.
I saw this video and I was like, there is definitely a way I’m gonna watch 20 minutes of this, and I did. I watched all 20 minutes and enjoyed luds great storytelling. The ability to admit failure takes confidence, and I’m proud of ole Ludwig for being so selfless. I bet if this video was 30 minutes I’d still watch it. And that’s saying a lot because every minute wasted equates to the price of a used Honda Civic
Wait this was 20 minutes?????
@@tink6225 What?... The reason I was hesitant to watch 20 minutes of this is because someone very close to me was also scammed in a similar way, and I was afraid I wouldn't be able to listen to even 5 minutes of this from the anxiety of reliving the experience through Ludwig. 😫😅
I appreciate you judging me from a random comment on TH-cam though xD Totally seems like it works out for you often. lol
@@zzombiepunkk2794 I just wanted to type that. It felt way shorter, he's a great storyteller
I'm filled with nothing but respect for Ludwig, and even though he got scammed I thoroughly enjoyed this video. I'm hoping the effort Ludwig put into giving this guy a second chance does not go to waste🙏
If the scammer is reading this, next time just tell the millionaire you lost the bet. Duh.
Mad that this happened glad to see it resolved and that you gave him the options you did and hope that thing get better in the future for all.
Ludwig: *loses money*
Ludwig: "CONTENT"
Gotta make it back
lol fuck it, if your gunna lose money might as well make it back
its like a mr beast video
Money is temporary, clout is forever
@@thehighnote9579 that's exactly what i was thinking
I lost $2000 a few days ago from a scam because I thought I was going to get more money. I feel stupid. So this video kind of helps. I’m still grieving, but I’ll be fine. 😓
Did you get a refund?
@@user-ux5fr4vk7u No . 😔 idk what to dooooo
@@atlantisaubry9278 I know someone who can help is on Facebook
@@atlantisaubry9278I lost $6,800 to a scam site but val_cybertech was able to track and recover all the funds
on Instagram
Gambling addiction or not, I wouldn't let him off. You really trust him to 'self-ban' and not do this shit again? Remember the last time you put your trust in this guy? He might be playing nice now, but that's because he's backed into a corner; he'll say anything for a safe exit. Letting him go 100% leads to him scamming more people.
Trust him to do it is the wrong term. He's hoping he will and is checking and validating whether he did before any action is taken. He's giving him a chance to turn over a new leaf instead of scamming another 100 people out of a grand to pay him back
Ultimate Bet (poker Website pushed even by ppl like Phil Hellmuth) literally scammed their entire customer base out of money, owners addresses are known - some island forgot what Carribean or SEA. PPL hired private dicks, took pix of them, etc. Nobody has the balls to do anything outside the law and inside it they are protected due to jurisdictions and bribes. TENS UPON TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PPL SCAMMED. This is small fish. PPL dont do enough because they are not ruined and those that are ruined cant afford to do anything.
Also what is often the case with scammers like this is they are covering up their own failed investments or addictions and its often a pyramid scheme.
I agree its illegal for a reason get him out if society that shit is cancer. Think about all the future people he will screw
to be honest ludwig has a lot of leverage over him. most people will balk at facing serious time in a federal prison.
He’s not necessarily “trusting him”, he talked about it more on steam but he’s also retaining the private investigator to continue following Grayson’s moves and he’s independently confirming with all of the casinos that Grayson is indeed banned
Genuinely love how you handled this. People may say "soft, naive" and, yk, maybe I am too, but you dealt with the situation exactly how it needed. Hopefully this is his rock bottom and he will take control over his life again, and never do this to anyone. That should always be the end goal. Nice job my dude 👍
Honestly Ludwig is such a chill and humble guy. I would have lost my shit over this. I'd have felt so stupid and so embarrassed, but Lud honestly sees it from a very rational perspective. I know he's not exactly short on cash, but like, even if it was 1% of this amount of money, I'd have flipped out.
Meanwhile my skeptic ass is like ludwig brought another scam
I don't think so and i'm talking from personal experience : a gambling addiction is much like a drug addiction sometimes it's not always about the money but the rush itself from winning big, i don't have hope that this guy is gonna stop gambling unless he get's basically an intervention or moves out of vegas, my money is on the house :)
I’m glad you’re in a position where someone taking money from people, and now getting away with it, isn’t an issue.
@@ToasterStronkle how is that what u got from the comment … not even close bruh
Okay so Grayson is 23, the whole time i imagined some middle aged old man with gold aviator sunglasses, in a reversable suit, a Ron Swanson mustache, with a Brooklyn accent tellin Ludwig how he's gonna make him the big bucks
How old are you?
@@RJTradess fuckin... what?
Grayson messed with the wrong guy when he scammed ludwig 😂
he's an addict, I (unironically) bet he continues doing it.
I think he messed with the right guy, since Ludwig has enough compassion to give him a second chance, enough clout and intelligence to hold him accountable and enough money that the loss doesn't cause serious harm.
Like Ludwig said that kind of loss is the amount that would have killed or broken most people, but he has enough that he'll be ok.
I really hope Grayson does comply and turn himself in to the casinos. If not, then Ludwig dropping the hammer of justice on him will be justified.
I know of some families that have lost their whole life savings to scammers, and yeah, it ruined their lives. They lost their home, people got divorced, siblings got separated, they went from living a decent comfortable life, to starving and fighting for scraps on the street with debt collectors pounding on their door threatening their lives and kidnapping their children for ransom, or to be sold in slavery or social workers threatening to take the children because they couldn't afford to feed them. Like some of those kids were deeply traumatised for life from being separated from their families or put in real danger or being sold to slavery.
I also know a guy that did get caught scamming for a similarly large some of money, and to this day we don't know if the lung cancer got to him first or the mob, but he did not live long after that. Grayson is super lucky that Ludwig is not throwing him to the loan sharks or in the slammer right away. Like he needs to know what a kindness a second chance is being given to him.
wait you're here?
huh.
SB! whats up?
Damn SB i have seen you on most of the ytubers(that i watch) comments section
The funniest part of this is when he first started talking to this guy and dealing with him literally everyone with a functioning brain said he’s getting scammed and he refused to listen
Ludwig is a great human being. Giving him a second chance to redeem himself is noble and shows his sincere feelings towards a sick person. I wish ludwig years of success streaming as well as Grayson getting his shit together. Well made video
you would have to go way, way, way down my wishlist to find anything that had to do with Grayson.
@@lokegrnbech1878 wdym
@@mariyastoyanova31 He is a scammer and i wish no good things for him. There are a ton of people that i would wish things for. But not a scammer.
Its not being a great human to keep an evil person who has victimized many people on the streets
@@lokegrnbech1878 the worst people deserve the best help, because those make the biggest change. Good people can handle themselves and offer little risk to society without help
i got scammed out of 10k earlier this year and its the hardest thing I've ever had to go through and your testimony means a lot. it was so hard to get the courage to try to do something about it.
Did you get your $$ back?
No chance you getting your money back
@@Nippleless_Cage no I didn’t… but thankfully I have a great support system made of awesome people in my life that helped me back on my feet.
Can I ask how this happened to you? This just happened to me
😢
He scammed me for 1,000. Same person, he’s still gambling
I also got scammed but all thanks to @MARSTEC_H I was able to get back my money
Damn.
have you dmd lud about this im pretty sure he can help you with that
How could that happen?
Our criminal justice system doesn't revolve around rehabilitation, but rather punishment. Props to Lud for doing what he did. I think that's the best option if you genuinely want him to change for the better.
What are you basing this opinion on? Most people get probation. This guy should be brought to the attention of the authorities. He's going to rip more people off.
@@GuyCovington Just see the recidivism rate for released prisoners in the US or how well police brutality is helping Black neighborhoods. This country has always had fascist tendencies and it's still accelerating towards that direction. The recidivism rate in a rehabilitation-focused country like Norway is massively lower (being a socdem also helps). Harsh punishments and violence get people even more radicalized because it can never fix the root cause of the issue.
@@GuyCovington probation is really just "oh you better not fuck up because we're always watching you"
@@isabella16939 wtf are u on to think the US is remotely fascist
@@EnigmaChess You are probably right, its not fascist. It is just Corporations holding America by the balls, lobbying Politicians to vote in their interest and not the people. Ever so slowly America marches towards a Huxleyan Dystopia, my family came over to the States in the 1800s and I believe I will be the first to try and find a new home somewhere else in the world. Probably the Nordic Countries, I love their general personality.
The true scam he did was convincing ludwig to not report him to the police
I’d love to hear more about the contracts they had in place. Especially if Aidan was there for that conversation. You can’t just send someone $50,000 without a contract. Everyone is wrong in this situation lol
The number of people praising him for not reporting the dude is insane. The guy has scammed in the past so it's not like it's a one of. This is how these people work. Manipulate to the end. If he had the chance to put a stop to it he should have done it. Now this guy can go on and possibly ruin lives.
@@luffyluck ludwig has said that he's requiring proof of the casino bans, and hired a PI to keep on grayson. He said that if he gets wind of more scams, he's going to the cops.
@@ironCondor623 yeah but it's as simple as moving or hiding.
This should still have been reported. What about all those other people who were scammed? They have no say in this.
If Grayson lied off rip why would he tell the truth at any other point.
@@ironCondor623 aye as others have said what about the rest who were scammed? They ain’t getting justice nor their money back and so what if he’s banned in casinos he can easily continue scamming people via online gambling or just move. It’s ridiculous how it’s supposedly a good thing Ludwig didn’t report him
You're literally such a good story teller. Even after i already seen this in streams, I decided to watch again.
He scammed me out of a $7,500 poker loan. I’m aware of at least 3 other victims.
@Jenny 🤟🏻 his a life saver
Crazy how you chose to not report him to the FBI right away. You truly are a great guy Ludwig, giving people a second chance. Hopefully he never tries scamming again. Again, thanks for being such a good human being.
Grayson is so incredibly lucky that Lud is being so lenient here. If that was anyone else, there’d be a huge chance that Grayson would either be in jail or maimed or killed.
Well im not sure how many people would get private investigators to look for him
The rat's free to scam again, huzzah!
Time to play jail, maim, kill.
People get scammed everyday its almost like people in 2022 love being scammed look at how many people wasted money on nfts, shitcoins, etc
@@wyattf.3837 If he admitted to scamming you for 100k you'd probably do whatever it takes to find him if you had the means
Power and Gas companies could take a lesson from this. Respect to you Ludwig, everyone deserves a second chance.
I got scammed because I thought I was gonna get an apartment but I was gullible back then.
You wanna get back your lost money...?
Report such cases to Mayor_Fast_Fix cybersecurity team
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While I can appreciate the way ludwig handled it, I personally would have pressed charges. This guy didn't just scam a few dollars.. he scammed thousands maybe even millions from multiple people with the intention of doing it again. What happens if/when he finds a different way to scam people at that point you can't only blame the thief but also the person that let him get another chance to do it. Ludwig is fortunate enough to lose 50k and not end up ruining his life, will the next person be?
the guy would have to pay lud ~100k for the debt, plus the charges. you really think he would be able to pay that back without gambling of some sort or living miserably for many, many years? lud doesn't want that for the guy nor for himself, as it would likely burden his conscience. pressing charges would either do that, or get him into jail for many, many years. lud's decision wasn't the soft one, it was the one with second chances and faith in humanity; faith that grayson could become a better person.
@@neka_jp2070 this is the most dumb comment I have ever seen, the guy walk away free and will for sure scam more people in the future, after all he got away scamming people already. You need to be accountable for your decisions, and he should be in prison but hey until they scam YOU it will be no problem right?
morally I believe this is a better way forward, only real negative I see short-term is that the people who've gotten scammed by this person is missing out on potential(?) compensatory damages (aka some money back "or more")
....but that feels somewhat moot, when weighed against an early twenties kid.
lets not fool ourselves, in the absolute most cases where a scammer is caught with enough evidence against them to go down, they're 100% screwed. Far from everyone gets proper help that they need along the way - someting we're definitely improving upon. But in the end it doesn't matter to the law.
it's intoxicatingly refreshing to see the
@@onepoh4680@Jayson V. He literally said he will be hiring a P.I. and will report him if he sees any other shot going on. Obviously not cost effective (and he admits its petty af) but that's his plan to try and keep him accountable. Plus the guy is a semi-public figure, and if someone posts about getting scammed by him it will probably reach ludwig/the broader internet. The entire vid was about how he doesn't want him to scam again and if he does then he will report him with all of the evidence he has.
@@Whimsicat_ It's incredibly easy to change his name and move his business elsewhere or even online. The guy will not change, he might lay low for a bit but he will find new ways to scam people. People like this do not change overnight, they need real consequences to hit them and hard for them to realize just how wrong they were and how much it affects others. Be it from Gambling addictions, scammers, drug addicts, drug dealers, con artist ect ect ect.
Ludwig know that you are not alone. I was scammed out of 11,154 dollars as well a few years back trying to help my best friend through all of school who attempted suicide and his father who was asking to borrow money claiming to try to help that situation they were in. The only difference is these are people I have known for over 20 year of my life at that point. Come to find out his dad was actually going through a major mid life crisis and was spending the money on hookers and so he did not have to work. I will never forget the day when I didn't even have money to get home from working 14 hours that day and the weekend I seen them after. While his dad, my best friend through school, and his younger brother were in an apartment I payed for standing in that living room the person who was supposed to be my closest friend told me "It's only money get over it you are never getting it back" after he had just played 18 hours straight of ark survival evolved with no job for years on end at roughly age 24. That number to this day does not leave my mind after not talking to these people for three years now. My number may not be as big but the enormous impact that had on me as well as trusting people has honestly not been the same since. But on a positive note that lack of trusting people ended up leading me to owning my own company now with the logic being the only person I can trust when it comes to money is myself and I've never been more satisfied knowing that I am doing it better than the people before me.
Thank you for sharing your story, hope your company does well!
Fake story for clout
Thank you for sharing. I’m glad you’re in a better spot now
@@amrali1380 sadly I wish it was. I worked for his father running his company in his absence during that time. From what I know from others the son is still alive but at the time he drove off a highway viadock traveling over 100mph and rolled his car onto a railroad track a bunch of times. The reason for him doing so was do to his own laziness of not having a job or making any progression for years on end so his girlfriend of 7 years decided to finally leave him after graduating her 4 year degree. Those guys were some people I considered to be family for quite some time as well. It may be something that may be seen as fake to you, but the memories of that 6 hour manhunt and having to contact state troopers to barricade off a state park with cliffs in it which is where it ended up being found out he intended to make his final destination at is pretty crazy to think about which is how he resorted to driving off that viadock instead. On a final note I will say this, I knew he was in a rough state when he sent me a message on a game we play asking for my email, I asked him you aren't going to do something stupid are you? His response- "lol no"- I sent him my email account and not by 5 minutes later I received a bunch of phone calls and a suicide email their. I merely posted this because of my loss of money and the impact it had on me personally but in reality the situation is so much more than that. Have a nice day.
@@amrali1380 dude wtf is wrong with you
Mad respect to Lud for sharing this story. Hope that dude get what he deserves.
15:03- Hey Lud, quick note: you never told Grayson he scammed you, so the fact he instantly assumed you were threatening him of scamming you means that he 100% scammed you and knew you were suspicious- nice little fact for you to know someone is guilty of doing something to you when they say they didn’t :] (or just a little detectives note if you will :D)
Graycen if you're reading this, just tell the mark you lost the bet. No scam.
Thats.. thats not how it works.
That was a very confusing paragraph
But… what if they didn’t do it. Like your mom could ask me if I posted this comment just to make a point and I said no?
This just isn't true...? Anyone under loads of stress will assume the person is assuming the worst of them... Basically, this comment is just meaningless. (Detectives note :D)
If he really is a compulsive gambler and not just a scam artist you have just done the worse thing possible for his recovery, As a compulsive gambler myself (clean 30+ years now) I did similar things and worse to get my "fix"and was also given a "get out of jail free card" and immediately found a way around it and ONLY facing jail time and getting into therapy finally helped.
Yeah well thats you. If Grayson does indeed do that they are looking at jail anyway.
@@dvnmaycry You’re being extremely naive if you think Grayson wouldn’t be able to continue to scam people anonymously online or through a different avenue instead. He’s been doing this for years, he needs to face genuine consequences or he’s never going to change.
Either Greyson learns his lesson, or Ludwig does.
The only way this can work is if he's actually self-banned from everywhere. Problem is, I don't think shit like crypto casinos would necessarily honor that, so it's a self-imposed ban from any of those.
Couldn't agree more. I had a few friends who were heavy gamblers so I get the mentality. If he does decide to stop gambling, that would be admirable, but I really doubt it. Glad to hear you managed to clean yourself up! Cheers!
Honestly really respect Lud for what he did. I'm currently 23 (like Grayson), and I feel like at this age you can turn your life around, 100%. I hope he can get over his gambling problems and figure out how to be happy again.
This piece of shit definitely deserves jail time ... He scammed Ludwig who is fine losing 56k but he also scammed several less fortunate people. He needs to learn his lesson.
Scammers don’t deserve second chances.
I'm also 23 and I think fuck this guy. He's old enough to understand consequences and decided to scam people anyway. He does not deserve a second chance
@@ToasterStronkle Well fuck, I scammed a kid out of his pokemon cards when I was in middle school, guess I'm permanently a bad person. Obviously this isn't a 1:1 comparison and scammers can fuck other people's entire lives over, but if you're only 23 and didn't kill someone intentionally or touch a child you probably deserve a second chance. Gambling is an addiction and affects the brain similarly to many types of drugs, addicts steal money all the time in order to get their next fix/avoid withdrawals. It's an act of desperation most times, should we lock them up forever too in your opinion?
@@ToasterStronkle you are absolutely insane
You’re honestly one of the most honest and kind people I’ve seen on the internet. I’ve known you for years from melee but I have so much respect for this man.
He’s not gonna let you hit
Oh no! Anyways
Scammed by a fake sports bettor. Video coming soon, this is right up my alley
Ludwig’s getting closer to Mr. Beasts cost of production now. Glad to see him make more ambitious content!
@@DaFifaKid it's a joke that this vid cost 100k
@@DaFifaKid Man's pressed
@@DaFifaKid i didn't understand the joke so it's objectively bad
@@DaFifaKid its a good joke youre just miserable
@@DaFifaKid holy hell you missed it again
I know Ludwig is all jokes and stuff, but this is a really fucked up situation if you think about it. I have zero reason to trust that the scammer is going to stop scamming people, just because he got caught. Especially if he is an addict.
Getting locked up for who knows how long is a pretty good deterrent, especially if the person who can get you locked up has millions of subscribers who know all about you.
$10 says he's on Stake or a reservation casino. He's not gonna stop unless he gets LEGIT help.
@@sotnasyaj the irony lmao
American prison isn't legit help though. If anything, it'll make him worse once he gets out.
@@ElectricPudding05 I'm saying it's a deterrent from ever doing it again.
You do hit the nail on the head. The guy deffinetely is an addict. The whole pattern matches up. I hope he will start recovery. And it would be amazing if you helped him get to that point.
I can't imagine how hard it would be to decide to take a re-coveryagent role of an scammed persons. The history needs to be remembered though and the help that was born through such pain and suffering. Mad respect to these *brian hacks online* that take on these role to help traumatized victims all over the world.
It's horrifying how advanced the bots nowadays are...
I love that the things he does with it that makes him happy are just extravagant gifts to service workers. Kudos Lud
I get that lud might be okay with losing that kind of money because he's well off. But I feel bad for the other people, where even a 1K might be a lot of money for them.
Yeah true, this guy could have genuinely ruined some people’s lives with his scams... so it doesn’t seem right for him to get let off the hook so easily
@@blue1584 Idk i think its pretty clear he also had a massive gambling problem and while he definetely does deserve to go to prison for it Ludwig deciding to tank the 100k to first of all give him another chance at redemption and getting his life on track is way better for the society overall than taxpayers having to pay for another person in prison whos not contributing anything to society as opposed to becoming a taxpaying citizen. And as Lud said if he does that shit ever again he has all the evidence to get him locked up.
@@onnihalme2047 that makes as much sense as if some shitfaced piece of shit would rob / beat down random people on the street and you'd just say "idk man he obviously had problems with alcoholism", tf kind of logic is that?
Then you shouldnt gamble with that 1k….dont risk money you cant afford to lose…thats rule number one
Hypothetically anyone can go to the FBI website and file an electronic tip writing everything up and even say that Ludwig has proof from a hired private investigator of a crime committed to multiple people.
ludwigs still being too nice, this dude will never stop finding a way to scam people
Perhaps, but if he does, Ludwig has the private investors case file to really drop the hammer of justice on him. So it really is just one chance to set things right.
I GOT SCAMMED TOO AND I LOST 6200$ I SO UPSET I DID MY COMPLAINT I TALK TO SOME HACKERS BUT NO ONE HELPED ME I STILL NEED HELP
He's on Instagram
@Duqhacks will surely help you out
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It's kinda refreshing to see a genuinely mad face coming from ludwig
Not to sure that is the right road to take. There is no way to know if he truly keeps his word, or if since he is already used to scamming people that he doesn’t immediately start trying different tactics to scam people. The money you lost might not bother you as much, but the money he probably scammed out of other people might matter more to them.
He cant prove he scammed others like he can him though. Sending him to jail and suing for the money he was owed doesn't really help those people except maybe some vindication but they should go to the authorities outside of expecting Ludwig to book him.
Based on the Private Investigators research, Grayson used the money he won off of Ludwig’s money to repay everyone else and Ludwig is the only one losing money here.
The whole "lost my money gambling" sob story is probably false to begin with, he probably just hightailed it with the cash and will just be extra careful to pick targets next time. He has enough money for around two years to plan more big scams. So Ludwig pretty much helped a scammer fuck more people. This should have been a hard lesson to learn, but he got away scot free.
@@Jumblebelle Do you really believe this? Come on, he is a serial scammer. He lied instead of paying back Rampage his measly $1k. His priority was almost certainly not to pay back all the people he has scammed.
@@dvnmaycry sending him to jail prevents him from scamming more people for a period of time
I knew from the moment you called him on stream this guy was not gonna pay you out, and I think we all knew that, but I didn’t think he’d face any repercussions… he’s definitely lucky he didn’t scam anyone else it sucks you got scammed but I think you did the right thing
"I wanted to do something fun with the money, so i gave $10k to the people who clean my house" Ludwig really is a great guy
“Can’t pay you because I got robbed”
“That’s bullshit. You scammed me”
“Yes I scammed you Ludwig”
“Pay me back”
“My email got hacked”
“That’s a lie! I’ll contact authorities if you don’t give me money”
“I’m a gambling addict and I spent it all. I’m young and it’ll ruin my life”
“Oh. Get yourself banned from casinos”
“Okay. I’ll do that”
“That’s good enough for me and I’m not pressing charges”
How does this make sense Ludwig? He’s scamming you and getting away with it. I won’t be surprised if his name is not Grayson. Please contact the authorities!
If he does actually stop scamming, then I think that’s the main thing. Though there’s no way to guarantee that he is stopping. And I’m not sure the authorities would be able to give back the money he scammed people out of. Maybe liquify his assets?
Even if he reports it and he goes to jail, that probably doesn’t really help in the long run. It’s hard to bounce back - especially financially - after being in jail. It might even encourage the scamming behavior after he gets out.
@@Veronicz You know what’s also hard to bounce back from? Being scammed out of your money. Scammers deserve no sympathy, they ruin other peoples lives for the betterment of their own.
you are right its a dumb deal
He’s a public face lol. He’s a legit Disney VA. So we can be sure his name is Greyson
@@Veronicz you catch scammers mainly to stop them from scamming more people. Yes it is unlikely that Ludwig will ever get his money back but that’s not the point of catching scammers. He’ll have multiple victims by now and there’s no way he’ll have it all in assets.
I have no problem with having sympathy for this guy but my concern is that most scammers weaponize empathy and basic human decency to get away without any repercussions for all their actions.
One more thing about scammers like him is we don’t know what motivated him to start scamming people and there’s no indication that he has the discipline to stop himself from scamming people by himself without external help.
I think if he just gets banned from casinos he will find a different place to scam people. Someone who scams people out of 100k will not stop scamming at the drop of a hat.
The guy will just do online bets/scams. Forgiving the debt just gives the impression that it's okay to scam/gamble other people's money... The guy should release a book/video titled, "How I scammed a youtuber for $100k and got away with it" He'll probably make a couple mill off of that + the royalties to the movie adaptation
Exactly
It is either he learns or he doesn't but at least he now has the best chance of actually changing instead of being imprisoned.
agreed, gambling addiction is actually way harder to kick and more destructive than drug addiction IMO. It rewires your brain completely into constantly chasing that next "guaranteed" win. With how easy it is to gamble online he won't even notice the in-person ban. It's one thing to gamble your own savings away, but its another to become such a slave to the game that you start scamming people out of their money and losing it on your own escapades. Dude belongs in a cell, maybe then his dopamine junked brain will associate the punishment with his actions.
Just make sure if you see greyson gambling/ betting report it to lud
You're right that this Greyson guy will just gamble and scam in other avenues. A gambling addiction isn't the same as a substance addiction, but it's similar in that gambling addicts almost never just go cold turkey. They also almost never stop destructively gambling on their first serious attempt to stop. Online gambling is easier and more accessible than ever now. I don't know if this Greyson guy has the smarts to do online scamming, but I wouldn't be particularly surprised is he does. And if he does, he will likely never get identified because it's much much easier to conceal your identity in online scams. I think Ludwig's heart is in the right place, and his decision is reasonable, but unless he's not mentioning specifics about why he thinks Greyson will actually stop, it's likely that Greyson will destructively gamble and possibly scam again in ways that aren't as tracible. People usually do not succeed in quitting gambling. xQc, Train, Adin Ross, and even Ludwig himself have admitted having gambling addictions that they aren't over.
The narrative touch of the phone dropping as you realize the scam is so good. Lud's a great storyteller
Ngl this makes me feel better about how i got scammed out of $300 in university
I got mad respect for Lud and how he went about this, it isnt easy admitting our mistakes but its even harder to take responsibility for them and make sure they dont affect others. I seriously hope the scammer changed their ways, and I also hope Lud goes through with handing them over to the FBI if they dont.
Gambling is a terrible addiction. It's on par with alcohol. They literally have support groups...This guy will without a doubt find a way to do this to more people. You have a lot of faith in people though.
@bodoti qwiu wdym admit, it's literally in the title
My exact thoughts, a very kind gesture for him to let the kid go and not ruin his life but there's really no way to completely stop someone from gambling, especially when they're addicted to it, they'll always find a way.
Ludwig, much respect for your way of thinking, its very honest and respectable. The work you put in is undeniable and your morals are in the right place
Holy shiz
Damn I hope you’re doing better now. I can’t imagine having to leave the country
I remember hearing the story on the yard but this is a wild and sad ending to it. It's sad because the person has an addiction and is likely to reoffend. Lud's decision has good intentions, hopefully there's aren't any bad consequences that come from it.
Lots of respect for how patient and merciful you were to him, even though he cost you so much money
Luckily for Grayson, Ludwig is a millionaire so he wasn't as desperate for that money. If it was anyone's last 100k, Grayson would need to watch his back
@@TheDailyEgg Absolutely, no doubt that if he pulled this on the wrong guy he could've ended up dead.
Not to be parasocial or anything, but you're a genuinely good person and I'm glad people have you to look up to instead of the Tates of the world.
Not to be parasocial or anything, but based comment
Who caressss u don’t like him coool
wtf is tates of the world?
@@akkico Andrew Tate. Complete dick, sexist pig, also pretty fucking dumb. There's a Mogul Mail on him and a bunch of other commentary on what a moron he is
@@akkico referring to Andrew tate
I envy having that level of mental clarity - and financial comfort 😖 - to handle a situation like this that well. I genuinely feel impressed and uplifted by your morale, and respect for other people. Thanks Ludwig ❤️
So good that you were open and talked about this!!! So many scammers use shame to help get away with it. Also liked how you were merciful. will be very interested to hear if he stops scamming others...unfortunately don't think he will be able to stop but hope so!
Hope this guy finds the will to change and realizes his actions have consequences. Hopefully he rights his wrongs and gives the money back to the people he scammed.
Why would he? If he's already duped someone with the mugging story, he's not going to roll back up and give them money (the kind of money he doesn't have, and can only get by scamming people). Trusting someone who's shown themselves to be a remorseless liar is the height of naivety. It'd be a different story if he came to Lud and confessed, but he was caught out, realising he'll always have a papertrail at the casinos (which is also why he's imposing a self-ban; that particular casino's no good for him hunting for marks anymore now he's been flagged as a scammer - he'll just move to a different casino and/ or adopt an alias).
Man Lud is such a genuinely good guy and I think he went about the whole situation perfectly.
Let's just hope all of this works out for the guy as well! Would be a shame to lose a young person's life so early on.
Y is ur name knee cutter
@@matthewyagelski9761 he cuts knees
@@matthewyagelski9761 that’s crazy
@@braserl not if you are the Knee Cutter
It would be a shame if this young person were to get they're knees cut...
I for some reason think that casinos check everyone that walks in and view their personal history to find who has a good amount of money.
its truly crazy and sad how extreme addictions can become
Are you talking about Grayson or Ludwig? Ludwig is sending peoples yearly salary to randoms with no contracts?
@@VGbeck22 yeah i mean he was using grayson as a proxy to gamble, but grayson’s case is pretty extreme
Checking the email on his Instagram was such an insane move, Ludwig went investigator mode
This makes my blood boil. At the very least it sounds like you have enough information on him to hold him accountable. But I can’t honestly say I hope he doesn’t slip and he gets in legit trouble. This punk is getting off way to easy for the amount he’s probably screwed people over. I don’t think his entire life should be ruined. But I also don’t think he needs to enjoy the whole 70 as a free man either.
Spending even a second as not a free man is sentencing him to a screwed over life. The second he gets a record it becomes near impossible for him to get a sustainable job. The reason that most people who get out of jail end up right back in is because they end up needing to resort to illegal ways to sustain their lives. If this guy went to jail he would come right back out as a criminal and would most likely resort to even more harmful ways of getting other peoples money. Ludwig is giving him the chance to turn his life around without the downside of having a record that will make it impossible for him to get a real job.
@@khamazon8893 There are plenty of jobs and opportunities as a non violent felon to get a decent livable wage. Is it harder? sure, as it should be. But not every job even requires a background check. The majority of felons that fail to integrate back in society are the uneducated and those that grew up disadvantaged who never had real skills to succeed to begin with. The scammer is some kid that clearly has good social skills at the very least. But I’m fairly confident he’s educated and has plenty of real world skills to not be forced back into a life of crime.
If he can’t lead a decent life after some time, that’s solely on him. If he fails again, I don’t think we need to give him anymore pity anyways…
@@jukappa see this is the difference in nature between someone like Ludwig and someone like you. You believe a young person who makes a mistake deserves to be sent to prison and sentenced to a life of hunting down second rate jobs just to keep a living, whereas someone like Ludwig believes that people deserve a chance to fix their lives before being sucked into the never ending cycle that is our prison system.
@@khamazon8893 Am I supposed to feel like that is some sort of valid argument? Just because you agree with Ludwig and also think that EVERY felon is sentenced to a lifetime of poverty doesn’t mean you’re just right.
@@RandomBruh I’d argue this scare tactic won’t help just as much as you’d argue it would. Just like spouses who cheat, many just end up being serial cheaters when they get a pass from the significant other.
I’m aware It’s not exactly 1:1, but it’s just one example of arguing for the point that people don’t necessarily learn a lesson if they aren’t actually held accountable.
Regardless, I just don’t see how he’s going to do anything different now. Ludwig was saying in the video that he was taking new bets to help pay for other bets. So he’s been digging himself in a hole with multiple people and now that he is basically outed, he’s going to have a target on his back and will probably have to risk doing it again to avoid trouble from someone else. I really don’t see this having the happy ending you guys all think.
Addiction makes people do some pretty wild stuff. Its a horrible thing to either be physically or mentally addicted to something and just feel this aching pain to revolve your world around that thing. Even smaller addictions can take up so much of your time or health yet can be so painful to walk away from. People who are addicted NEED help. Ludwig did something truly special here. Its like an animal in a trap, they might be lashing out biting and clawing at anything and everything, but they are also desperately just trying to escape but dont know how. Sympathy is important.
DAMN LUD... Respect for being able to talk about this at all, not only on stream but MAKING A TH-cam VIDEO ABOUT IT.
I have never been scammed but I know it is somewhat common, specially in the USA, for old people to be scammed. There's a TH-cam channel that is completely about stopping scams and annoying scammers via calls (Channels name: Scammer Payback).
You should watch some of their videos on stream
There should be more programs dedicated to giving people better judgement in general, so that you don't need to enforce anything, as they'll make the right choices anyways. Like a gambler's anonymous for normal people.
respect his decision, lud provided a good warning for Grayson, hopefully he won’t keep it going
*Johnson spy* , I really admire how you stay focused and always remember there are victims, real people, losing their money and even killing themselves because they are ashamed at falling for these scams. God bless you and keep you,Damn it feels good when you expose these guys, for some reason, other TH-camrs are nervous to do so. You're the king!
Vegas isnt the only place a scammer can gamble/scam. He'll keep doing it regardless of whether he bans himself from vegas casinos. I'm not gonna claim to be an expert but I do have a degree in psychology and I can tell you he will find a way to keep doing what he does unless he gets some serious therapy/help.
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@@masturblades this shit is not Reddit
Sure but how is getting him in prison going to help? People here keep saying how he should go to prison but the US prison system would literally do the opposite of helping this person.
@@link4232 That's a stupid answer, it's not about time in jail, it's about being useful for the society as a whole. I guess you don't know or care but the country you live in expects you to work and pay taxes, you are of NO worth in jail to anyone, in fact, he would keep spending money but from everyone instead of a select few.
In my opinion, he should be made to give back money to the amount that would make sense but not waste everyone else's money in jail, that's for sure. Plus I would expect him to get psychological help.
He's gonna do it again, and again, until he scam's someone dangerous and they find his body in a dumpster. You'd be better off getting him arrested.
Or worse, he scams someone who can't afford the loss and they kill themselves
grayson goss
That guy is very very lucky to have gotten off that easily. If it was someone else in Ludwig's position he might have not been that lucky.
Also interesting to see Ludwig's decision about the scammer's punishment. Eradicating the problem from it's source rather than punishing someone to a point of no return and giving him a 2nd chance, of sorts.
$100,000 would be enough for me to retire! damn
Came from the stream, interesting to see more of the story. I think you handled this situation in a very mature way. Cette situation est folle à chier et je ne pourrais pas imaginer être à ta place. Hope QT feels better soon and things get better for you and grayson.
"folle à shier"?
@@zilliq je voulais dire chier, ça veut juste dire fou, batshit crazy si tu veux avoir une alternative Anglophone.
you're a really nice guy lud - that guy gave you the run around for months and you are still looking out for him. respect
Sorry lud, your letting a known predator stay out in the market. Bad move.
8:42 the cats being so adorable
After watching this I realize that lud is a actual good human, and he now had 100% of my respect and support. Good Job Ludwig. 👍
That's a shame hope he gets justice served to him.
Insane amount of respect for you. Youre a wonderful person. Hope this guy gets the help he needs
Ludwig explained this very well. When that gambler was doing well gambling, that's when he can give you money from the wins so easy. But when that gambler started losing, that's when he couldn't pay you back. It's better to say the truth than lie. In philosophy, Lies is worst than Evil.
It is so amazing how lud was a able to come out about getting scam that takes courage
Man everything aside, Ludwig is an amazing damn story teller
Just love this man. I really love him how he handle all this situation. Might i can say he’s the nicest person in this whole platform. I hope u get all the blessings that u deserve champ💚
This is really serious but all I can think about is how adorable coots is😭
Lud ima be real. I think you are somewhat right in not getting him arrested but in all fairness there are many ways where he can continue to scam. I think what he has done is certainly enough to be locked up. The countless people taken advantage of should all come together to decide. IMO I would have stopped him. Just a theory but he will move states and start over again
I respect that Ludwig admits he was scammed. It definitely brings more awareness to a serious problem. Scams have been increasing lately. Yall be careful out there and don't trust people especially online, if you can't talk to them.
At least he gives this guy a second chance. I hope Grayson actually learns.
You gotta watch out for statues of limitations. Basically authorities can only do so much within a certain period of time. Just be careful with the delay.
He literally fell for the doubling money scam in Runescape.
true, if you break it down haha "Here is an empty promise, just trust me based on nothing" …… hmm OK here is 56000.
Some people don't deserve to be this rich smh
@@Etienne_H Its definitely not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be. Ludwig had been working with Grayson for what sounded like a decent amount of time at that point and had taken his money out during that time, giving that sense of trust
The problem with an addiction like this is you can't just stop. At least putting him in jail would be his rock bottom. Sometimes being compassionate compounds the problem.
Dude needs treatment not jail lol, jail would likely have a negative impact on his life and mental health.
@@jwm1444 You don't seek treatment until you hit rock bottom. If you think this is the bottom you are naive. He can get that treatment in jail. He won't outside in the real world. He will be back to scamming within days.
@@FunSize141 I never said this was rock bottom, and also there is no guarantee that he's going to hit rock bottom in jail. He could just meet other scammers and get better at it.
@@jwm1444 Or he could get the help he actually needs. He won't get that with zero consequences for his actions.
@@FunSize141 at the risk of sounding like a dick, I think you just want this dude to go to jail lol. There is no perfect solution for this. Treatment may not work, and jail may not work.