We Now Have Research on Anti-Vegans
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2023
- From science denial to political leanings, a new study illuminates the world of those who call themselves "Anti-vegan."
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Tonight I read an article on twin studies. They had one eat vegan and the other eat meat. They had 22 sets of twins. The vegans did much better on blood draws. Most improvement occurred in the first month of eating vegan, more benefit in month 2. The study was out of Stanford.
I think Mic has a video on this. I know I recently watched it on one of my vegan TH-cam channels.
@@mayhu3282True. Cute girl on the thumbnail. By a guy I don't know.
@@BoogieBoogsForevernutrition made simple
Oh wow!
What are the markers on the blood draw? Is it based on conventional medicine like bad "LDL" cholesterol? Cause if that is the case, throw that study away. There will be major difference between the two obviously, but being which one is better is subjective. Blood work may or may not indicate anything, it is just one blot on the whole picture and health is far more dependent on multiple factors. And I mean a lot of factors. But I HIGHLY DOUBT that a vegan diet is superior to carnivore.
In 2020 a team of researchers at Harvard University conducted the first mainstream study on the carnivore diet. The study surveyed over 2000 carnivore dieters. And the findings were published on 2 November 2021 in Current Developments in Nutrition.
How long have participants practiced the carnivore diet?
All participants had to have been practicing a carnivore diet for at least 6 months.
Participants reported being on the carnivore diet ranging from 6 to 337 months.
The median length of reported time on carnivore was 14 months.
Compared to most diets, carnivore dieters reported a very high level of compliance across various categories:
89% never consumed legumes
87% never consumed breaded and fried fast food meats
81% never consumed candy & milk chocolate
80% never used multivitamin supplements.
79% never consumed grains
78% never consumed sugar
75% never ate desserts
74% never consumed honey
74% never consumed starchy vegetables
69% never consumed non-starchy vegetables
66% never consumed fruit
65% never consumed non-calorie sweeteners
The self-reported changes in health status were overwhelmingly positive:
95% improved overall health
91% improved hunger/food cravings
89% improved energy
85% improved mental clarity
83% improved focus
78% improved strength
76% improved endurance
69% improved sleep
69% improved chronic disease
66% improved memory
How chronic conditions changed
98% improved or resolved diabetes and insulin resistance
97% improved or resolved gastrointestinal conditions
96% improved or resolved musculoskeletal issues
96% improved or resolved psychiatric symptoms
93% improved or resolved overweight/obesity (mean BMI decreased from 27.2 to 24.3)
93% improved or resolved hypertension
92% improved or resolved urologic issues
92% improved or resolved dermatologic issues
89% improved or resolved autoimmune conditions
84% improved or resolved cardiovascular issues
How medication use changed
100% discontinued other diabetes injectables
92% discontinued insulin for type 2 diabetes altogether
90% discontinued or decreased insulin
84% discontinued oral diabetes medications.
Level of satisfaction with the carnivore diet
98% of participants reported being very satisfied or satisfied
So if meat is so bad for humans, then how does it insensibly reverse and cure ailments and chronic diseases? In a rather short time?
This may be self reported and in a sense anecdotal. But the more and more people are reporting of their anecdotes, in the hundreds of thousands and soon to be millions, that is no longer an anecdote. That is a evidence generating hypothesis.
This Mic the Vegan guy keeps citing outdated claims such as "LDL" being a bad cholesterol when in fact, LDL is not even a cholesterol. This guy has no idea what he is talking about.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2475299122106086?via%3Dihub
I was in the hospital and this nurse told me he has a problem with vegans, because they "cause a lot of pollution" 😅
To this day, I have no clue how he graduated from college.
Well , the nurse might be referring to a very different thing... For some of us, our gut bacteria tend to be a bit "noisy" sometimes. In the silence of an hospital ward, this nocturnal activity might be considered "pollution" 😂😂
@@mayhu3282it’s true at first, but the longer I’m vegan and the more fiber I keep in my diet, the less pollution I create because of better gut bacteria 🎉🎉
I’d ask for a different nurse. Maybe one with brains.
@@mayhu3282 I don't have that issue. A robust, very diversified gut microbiome doesn't cause excess gas.
Because colonialism, or laziness?
Science denial is a very serious social pathology in the USA.
Don't forget NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON who is a prominent anti vegan devoting a whole chapter in his book on antiveganism...
Extremism in general because some of those science worshipers are no better
@@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 I was very disappointed with him after seeing his silly speciesism interview. I was embarrassed for him.
But science findings are often corrupted because of corporate interests.
There is a reason for it, and it's not always religious. By now, we have all probably seen a lot of research that turned out to be bogus one way or another. Not even doctored studies, but simply badly designed studies. Studies that are commissioned by industries but never published because they fail to get the result they want. So, it's often a subset of outliers that is actually published. A study repeatability crisis. Scientists figuring out stuff on the go, as is the case for alcohol consumption where they realized, years later, different statistical approaches should be used, which then aligned the research with the gut feeling (previously, alcohol was shown to be somewhat beneficial in lower doses; turned out, actually no - after all). If you've ever been in academia or studied for a PhD you should know now much garbage research is being churned in all areas, which muddies the waters and creates distrust. Policy makers sometimes expect researchers to come up with specific findings to justify certain spending, etc.
Your videos inspired me to become a vegan. I am a more productive mother and wife with plenty of natural energy. I could go on and on. My mental health has improved and of course my physical health as well.
Please go vegan for animals. They are the only one who suffer the most
It's a good choice to be vegan
@@leylalo4927nope. Ill eat twice as much meat just so you wont make a difference.
Us vegans walk on peanut shells, not egg shells. Hahaha 🤣
Plant abusers
More like thin air
Nah you walk on the same ground as the rest of us. Is there a pay gap between vegans and meat eaters? Vegans more likely to get stopped by the cops?
I really needed to watch this. I spend too much time online discussing with this type of people. Now that I have a general idea of what kind of people they are, I realize it's not worth it. By the way, I was earlier this week watching old videos of you from a couple of years ago and I must say you look each day better. A living proof of how healthy and vibrant one can be "surviving" on a vegan diet. Lovely jacket too ...
Besides, the ones who will disagree are always the loudest. Live knowing these people changing everyday, there’s people who are vegan for years and would never turn back. All these animals that we save and their whole world changes for them, we heal nature and heal ourselves :)
I too wasted a lot of time trying to debate with such people. The problem is, they don't care about what's real. They are hate machines and care only to bully people.
It's far better to dedicate out time to talk to people that actually care about facts.
@@terrorindu I do think it is worth while dispelling myths from time to time. Not because I necessarily think I can persuade the person I am disagreeing with but because I may be able to prevent them from influencing anyone reading their comment. I agree than it isn't worth while getting bogged down with them but I still got to keep putting facts out there.
@@DrSpooglemonYou're probably right, although if they won't believe people like Mic here who always has an impressive array of scientific articles to quote, I highly doubt they would pay any attention to what I might say. Besides many of them are incredibly rude.
They do not want to listen to science and facts. They link their (young) masculinity, strength. dominance, superiority, testosterone with animal protein and rely on it. They do not care about animal pain and suffering, do not want to feel emotions, and feel "happy" meat solves the whole problem.
I honestly think that some of the super hostile anti vegan trolls feel guilt at a soul level and attack us to try to compensate for the bad feeling they won't admit to.
The level of obvious stupidity of their arguments lead me to that same conclusion.
I think that is the heart of it, even if not stated to them, it threatens their moral position in life, and so they take it as an 'eye for an eye' sentiment, and hit em back first. "Oh you think your better than me, well your skin is grey and your not built like Arnold." I am not sure that many vegans help the movement in a big way. I like Hench Herbivore. I do, I believe as he does, but the antagonistic approach he takes, I think it probably turns a lot of people away when they might have been open to a more nuanced argument.
I agree with you agree-ers. I think I just made that word up. Ha! @SNAFUPhoenix @guitarszen @DrSpooglemon
It’s probably more likely that they don’t value specific non-human sentience as much as they value the enjoyment derived from eating said non-human sentient beings and feel as though veganism is attempting to take away their right to enjoy eating these beings, which is unique to this specific dietary pattern/philosophy.
No other pattern or philosophy wants to limit another human from consuming a food besides veganism, which is why people hate it so much.
If vegans would not push an agenda to compromise humans’ rights to eat other specific sentient non-humans, no one would care.
Interestingly, when drawn to its logical conclusion, it seems that veganism would ultimately call for the destruction of all of nature which I think the precautionary principle would indicate this is highly problematic.
Good point. I am sure it is more complicated than a single scenario, we are talking about more than one person after all. But for someone to be a sadist might not perpetuate a personal need to strike out at others. @@AZ89231
Most anti-vegans seem to completely lack critical thinking skills. Like for example that anti-vegan youtuber who cherry picks the worst screenshots of vegan youtubers to make it seem like they have aged badly, not understanding how lighting works. They even claimed that Mic's beard being a different color than his head hair must be due to some health problem or deficiency caused by veganism. Seriously 😂
I don't think I can think of a more common and normal thing than beard hair and head hair being different colors, lol
It's all the Animal Fat clogging their brains.
Vegans also lack critical thinking as well... its a group think form.
TBH I think vegans can sometimes look worse (compared to societal views on health). They are more likely to be a healthy weight, which can look drawn if you are used to people being fatter. Also more likely to be pale because they are concerned with their overall health and dont sit in the sun!🙂
I would say his lip and inner eyelid color is more of an indicator. Plus cotton wool hair. And bony.
I can't think of anything more lame than identifying as someone who hates people who eat different than them and joining groups for that where they can vent.
They are also incredibly active posting everywhere. And even getting so offended if the algorithm in a social media shows them a plant based recipe...
Yes, it is lame, but also giving attention to them is a kind of lame.
They don't hate us because we eat something different though do they? They hate us because we hold a mirror to their faces.
Basically being a vegan 😂
Terminally online regressive incel losers looking for a tribe that opposes women and anything seemingly adjacent to women. Many people unfortunately are tribal morons looking for any plausible justification to switch off their brain and let their emotions and group-think determine their beliefs.
The science denial bit reminds me of the quote: "To argue with an intelligent person is hard but to argue with an idiot is impossible." It's amazing to me how a lot of people just flat out deny the cholesterol link to atherosclerosis and heart disease thing. There are so many great studies out there and the majority of the scientific community seem to concur about it but then deniers will just pull some BS study funded by the beef industry and say well here is a study: facts.
Remember when saturated animal fat was bad… well they were wrong about that too
I am a lacto ovo low carb vegetarian. I think the science on cholesterol is still inconclusive. Evolutionary, we mostly ate cholesterol containing fat, be it ghee, cococut oil, or...in come cultures only...also fish, olive and seed oils. We produce cholesterol ourselves in our body in huge amounts. My preferences are: ghee, olive oil, coconut oil, sesame oil would be ok and sunflower oil if cold pressed and organic, but depending on the variety, thus unreliable.
Facts and logic.
@@anotherviewofthingsComments like yours are the most common I see.
Something about evolution seen from a low carb perspective...
Not understanding that your body produces all the cholesterol it needs and only as much as is needed...excess dietary cholesterol is excess and harmful in high quantity.
Not having a view of the totality of evidence and thinking there is a debate when the evidence is so strong... People can argue about Saturated fat, Evolution or if Earth is round, but the science is still 99.9% certain.
Not trying to put you down. Just keep studying.
@@anotherviewofthings Yes and ''evolutionarily'' humans suffered from heart disease a lot because of eating that way, along with other related health issues, so what's your point? Eating that way is clearly really bad for us. If you think the science on cholesterol is inconclusive, you haven't looked at it at all, the only thing i see from your comment is ignorance. The connection between high cholesterol and heart disease is well established, and within the scientific community it's not even a topic of discussion anymore.
Keto was voted as the dumbest diet. But still plenty of people are doing it.
They are also healthier and live longer than vegans
@@GarudaLegends
Remarkable - can you provide the reference to the studies where both diet groups are analyzed?
I've also heard, not that I would, that it's possible to perform keto on a 100% plant based diet.
@@GarudaLegends The opposite. And cause severe hormone problems in women.
@@JB.zero.zero.1Mic has a video on this. Even though the study tried very hard to push down the score of vegan diets with very absurd reasons (like "not enough restaurants") keto performed so abysmally in every respect that it was the worst by far.
@@GarudaLegends Proof? you make a baseless claim and you know it.
Wow, what an interesting study. After being vegan for 18 years I feel like I could write a whole book on this. I’ve learned that no matter how carefully you tailor your approach to talking with many people, they just don’t want to hear it. Many already have their biases and don't want to examine new information. Or they’ve just decided that you suck before the conversation even began. We can only do our best!
I used to be excited to explain all the good things that happened after my dietary change, but few really want to hear it. Now I just say that "it works for me.", and then try not to engage further. If they are interested then they can do their own homework. I've only had one serious person that wanted advise for making the change, and I was happy to share my experiences.
@@BurtDavis That's exactly what I do. If somebody expresses interest I'm very willing to share. Otherwise I just don't talk about it.
Humans are habitual and very very afraid of leaving the safety of the majority and changing.
@@mayhu3282 Me too. It's just hard when people complain about their health problems that I know could probably be improved by a vegan diet, especially when I've very much improved the same or similar condition just by going vegan. Sometimes I'll mention what worked for me, but in general I've learned, people just feel judged. I really wonder how people can interpret "You might feel better if you tried eating differently" as "I just want to look down on you." But as @bjarczyk said, it doesn't matter how carefully, gently, or compassionately you word it, that's what they tend to hear.
Never thought that maybe you are the one with biais huh? 😂
I remember the time when I didn't give a 🐀 's ass about animal welfare. I was ypung and arrogant.
I'm glad I grew up... and out of it.
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Joe Rogan mentality.
He's being paid (partly) by shilling animal products.
I thought he stopped being anti-vegan.
Probably just mental.
I like Joe Rogan
Bro, I watch a lot of JRE, and I'm vegan 😂
vegan haters: U ruining my food!
vegans: U ruining my planet
This all makes way too much sense! 💚🌱
The constipation joke was a 10. 👏
Yes I laughed hard at it
I'm carnivore and healed my gut , including constipation and much more.
Now I'm not farting and shitting all day long.
I have one easy and clean bowel movement a day.
I enjoy the humor of this channel
Keep making this good show , i love listen to you while eating a juicy steak 🥩🤤
Wow! So great to see the way culture is evolving. Thanks for sharing Mike!
In what way? Are you being sarcastic or serious?
@@user-no2mz9hl4fhe is serious 🤦 it's what make that so funny 😂
Great work as always!💚
This was actually very interesting; confirms, or at least substantiates, what many of us suspected. Also, we're apparently experiencing a crisis of anti-social disorders. Thanks for posting!
And vegans are not suffering from anti social disorders? Seriously?
@guitarszen You don't think social media has exacerbated it? I'm well into middle age and definitely see escalation.
And vegoonism are included in that anti-social disorders 😂
"Superior groups should take care of inferior groups." What a novel idea. Thanks Mic.
Reminds me of slavery and colonization proponents.
I am vegan and a body builder, those type of anti vegan men hate me as I have massive muscles 🤣🤣
You still will never be number one no matter how much drugs you take from a lab
Чем связанно ваши мишцы и газон которого вы кушаете, разница в том что химозу которого вы принимаете в зале, наверное мишцы головы надавили на мозг?)
@@user-wm9vc3mo4o I have no idea what you saying, but judging by the user name it’s spam. 🙄
@@izzysmart Ego much
No you don't you can't live off beans😂
Belief in hierarchies, traditional gender roles, disregard for the feelings and wellbeing of people other than them; the study mostly just confirmed anti-vegans are conservatives.
Veganism is an arm of anti-western cultism. The post modern hippy.
Can you dig it?
My boy Mike happy at the end.
You got it done, my guy!
Thanks for going into this stuff for us. 👊😃
In AntiVegan subredit there was a big antivegan pinned post, could you debunk it, please ? It would be quite interesting.There were a lot of takes about Adventists studies
Great video as always! Thank you! Sharing.
Some of those questions are hilarious 🤣😛
Thanks Mike. I saved my life by going vegan.
And a hundred other lives per year if you stay vegan.
@@patrickxl1 Saving lives by not giving them one 😂
Would you rather have a life of misery or not live at all?@@ostamaza22-yt4sq
@@ostamaza22-yt4sq Way better then growing a living being to kill it 😀
@@ostamaza22-yt4sq by not paying for them to be killed... 😂
1:45 that's the nicest way in the world to say "anti vegans are dumb AF" 😂
Love your laugh! It’s hard to take these people seriously
I also find it hilarious that anti vegans ony chimed in then there was $$$ involved 😂🤑🤑🤑 2:26
They needed that money to pay for their bacon what with WalMart bending them over.
People are anti-needless-animal-cruelity?
Much 💙🥦🍎🍊 Mic!
Nice video Mic.🌱🌅🍀
Watching this while eating a vegan chocolate chip waffle with blueberries, flax, and hemp seeds 😜
so triggering!
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Someone who says we have a right to use animals anyway we want to is obviously not vegan at all. There would have to be 0 on this question for vegans, or they have non vegans in the vegan group.
This!
I was wondering about that as well, but maybe that's health or fitness vegans. Not every vegan is vegan for ethical reasons.
@@medusa4944 Yes, but then the question doesn't fit its purpose in the research.
@@medusa4944 These people (and main-stream media & food companies, of course) make veganism so confusing to people by identifying as vegan while just being on a plant-based diet.
It's so annoying, that the same, that happened to vegetarianism (and why the term vegan/veganism was coined in the first place), now also happens to veganism thanks to capitalism and media. *sigh* 😔
Ty ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks Mic 😊
Those questions about male dominance made me cringe so much. Goes to show how insecure man are. 🤦🏼♂️
Thanks for the video, Mike. 💪🌱
Do you sit down to pee because men, unlike you, like to eat meat, hunt, and like to date women only?
@guitarszen you just proved my point.
Thank you. 🙃
Neil Degrasse Tyson has become the poster boy for anti veganism. 🙄🤔
Wow he’s a clown
Tyson is literally an embarrassment to anyone with a functioning brain, which makes him highly suspect as a science communicator.
His a poster for 🤡 ism .
Really good video. Thank you.
@micthevegan I live in Australia and noticed a new "ORAC" section in the Nutrition Information table on the back of my organic cacao nibs packet. It says it is a measure of the Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity. I am wanting to know more about this and what your opinions are?! Is this a thing in Canada and USA too? Is it actually a good measure of healthy antioxidant content? How do we relate the "umol" measurement to it's everyday impact on our health?Does this addition to the packaging label positively impact the Public's view on plant-based diets?
P.S. I love you. Your videos helped me go vegan three years ago and it has been one of the best decisions of my life 🐣❤
Oddly enough I am a vegan who is sometimes ant-vegan. Not against veganism itself, of course, but against a lot of vegans that I've met that make veganism look bad.
It seems to me that so many vegans are also anti-science. Almost every vegan I have met either denied the existence of Covid or accepted it but are staunch anti-vaxxers. And this is most vegans I have met (with the exception of myself), as well as reading comments from vegans on vegan social media sites.
Also, they seem to believe in a lot of weird things, like that the Earth is flat, or that goblins and leprechauns exist, or the usual one that every occurrence on Earth (wars, pandemics, climate change, recessions) is caused by a small group of men hiding behind a curtain (yeah, vegans are usually conspiracy theorists).
I don't really understand why. Veganism is scientifically valid and makes so much sense in so many ways.
Why so many vegans are totally out of their minds is a mystery to me.
Are you sure those people you talked about were anti-vac or c0vid? Cause some people have been falsely accused of that. Even some people who took the vac were accused of being anti-vac for just being for freedom of choice for the vac. Which it should be. Also, medically, vacs harm some people.
Some people who said some politicians used c0vid to force lockdowns don't deny c0vid. But some people twisted their words. Those people were just criticizing the forced lockdowns, not denying c0vid. I'm not saying I agree with any of these people or not, I was just reporting what some people said and different perspectives.
There's nonvegans who believe in the things on your list too. Why did you assume all vegans believe in those things? They don't. You complained of people believing in unusual thing but then you wrongly believed all vegans believe in your list or were a monolith.
Firstly, add in a filter to remove raw fooders/fruitarians from your equation. They're not really vegans. Then just talk to more people. I'd guess you're referring to a very small sample.
I also chatted with one who believed in breatharianism, he was actually the only vegan I've chatted with
so like Jonah said, need to just talk to more people, and stay away from social media sites, find some vegans in real life instead who are not raw fooders
Indeed, if You tell "a normal person" in the middle of eating a banana that its vegan - some will pause for a moment to consider if they should finish it 🙂
Interesting video. Cool stuff.
I am a vegan and it seems to me like some of the questions were worded in less than ideal ways that could have influenced people to answer differently. Like "A man always deserves the respect from his wife and children" I mean, I would absolutely agree with that statement with the exception of absolute psychopaths and abusers. Imagine if the question was "A woman always deserves the respect from her husband and children"... would it be sexist to agree? The keyword there is "always" since the are exceptional scumbags who have earned disrespect.
"We must increase social equality" is another one. I would strongly agree with the literal interpretation of the statement but I would be suspicious of the subtext and in strong disagreement with many people's views on what brings about social equality.
The main cause of anti veganism is clearly cognitive dissonance. On social media, they are unable to stay off of vegan threads, even ones about recipes. When called out, they immediately claim victimhood.
On twitter, a blue tick often causes the above.
One just replied to a post of me explaining how I make my vegan burgers (with legumes, whole grains and veggies) with "Your funeral" and the icon of a coffin. And he was a "top contributor" on a vegan page!!!
@@mayhu3282 haters gonna hate. They just can't help themselves.
@@Human_Herbivore Yet vegans hate meat eaters for not eating the same diet or believing in the same ideology. We just don’t agree with you, let it go already
@@uptown_rider8078 I don't hate meat eaters, I hate what they do because it has innocent victims.
@@Human_Herbivore I disagree with that assessment, but some people just don’t agree with you, and you can’t force your beliefs onto them.
I know someone who's bought all the keto nonsense, you know, about butter and all that, has developed fatty liver and still keeps believing that carbs are what's really bad.
Too much of everything can damage the liver anyway. If this person had already NAFL or NASH before becoming keto and if he or she didn't manage to lose weight because of too much energy intake, he or she couldn't have reversed any liver disease. Whatever the diet. A lot of people don't do keto right and, more or less, just think they have to add fat to their former crappy diet.
It's not really that easy to get into ketosis: even if I'm on a carnivore diet, I'm not always in ketosis although I eat very limited amounts of carbs (milk - not much -, fresh cream, unsweetened yogurt, a bit of glycogen from meat and offal). I don't try to be in ketosis so my protein and carb and protein intakes are probably a bit too high. Generally, ketones show up after a long workout (as for example when swimming or biking 4 hours without refueling), when I reduce the number of my meals (intermittent fasting) for a while, or, of course, during a prolonged fasting. I'll try to stop dairy just to see where that leads me.
Context matters. Obese/overweight? How long obese/overweight? Was it before the "ketogenic" diet? Was it during the "ketogenic" diet? How long in a "ketogenic" diet? What were the ketone levels? What were TG, HDL, LDL, total Cholesterol, blood glucose and fasting insulin? How many workouts a week?
Your anecdote could have been interesting but we have absolutely no context to consider it useful knowing that many people reversed a fatty liver disease just by reducing fructose intakes no matter if they were in ketosis or not. Stopping soda and sugary drinks (fruits juice included), dropping added sugar, reducing other refined carbs and losing a little bit of weight (even 5% could be enough) is often sufficient to heal a NAFLD.
Best option are probably a prolonged fast (if there is no medical contraindication) or an alternate day fasting because the first fat you will drop will come from the liver. A ketogenic diet will take longer and if energy intake is high won't be as great as fasting.
If you want to prove that "keto is a nonsense" you should really try harder than that.
Have a nice day Carolina.
@@Noegzit Fortunately I don't have to prove anything other than what you just proved. Thank you
my own aunty would never be vegan, neither would my uncle, both excluded me in the sense of extended family some 40 years ago, but then they are not nice people anyway, so...
I adore you, Mike.
Yesss cant wait to watch. @BiteSizeVegan did a video recently on this topic
I have a thing I have been musing over since I learned about the mechanism of how saturated fat causes congestion.
The way the professor told me is, that after about the first year of life, our endothelial layer of the arteries become super sensitive to stress, even just the impact of blood cells, especially at a Y junction, it exposes to Apoe B receptor. The Low Density fats are drawn to this receptor like a magnet. Then the White blood cells come to try and help and are stuck to it forming a foam cell, then this in turn traps red blood cells.
From an elocutionary standpoint, with a starving human being whose exposure to saturated fat is minimal , circumstances far between when a food source would be come upon that had enough saturated fat to even become present in the circulatory system, and since wild game has a better fat profile than the abominations that we now eat enmass. Would the Apoe B receptor be an asset to our survival, saving a calorie source for later consumption?
In times of feast or famine, say like 400 years ago in France when we were cannibalizing our kin just to stay alive, would the Apoe B site be preserving that 9 calorie macro nutrient in the bank? We can burn saturated fat I assume based on a Dr. Greger video where he claimed that 2 marathons a weeks would negate the sat fat content in the SWD.
Why have we evolved to have receptors that store sat fat like this when predators like a lion do not. It seems like it must have been a benefit to have not been selected against before now. We have as a race been starving much more than we have been flush with food.
I know that a natural predator or omnivore l;ike a lion or a bear have thyroid and gall bladder that act against sat fat in a way that we can not, I am just wondering if my pondering seems realistic to anyone about why we store or the way we do, when in our modern lives with our modern foods it is an evolutionary disadvantage.
I know everyone saw the NF video on CRAP foods and how our evolution, the evolution of all creatures has us desiring the most calorie dense foods.
Is it a fact of physics, like the path of least resistance. SO life models itself after the physics of the universe, and so seeks the path of least resistance? That makes those who follow the easiest path lesser beings, primal and given to impulse rather than thoughtful consideration.
That then explains why those who chose the less moral path, and attack those who 'do not do as they do'. We are an aberration to them, because we buck the laws of the universe, stand outside of our animal nature and embrace our humanity and chose compassion over the easy path of calorie dense foods.
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They can be haters all they want. I'm 53, male, 5'8" 135#, 13% body fat, and metabolically healthy. I look REALLY good for my age. Guys and girls in their 20's even are sometimes attracted to me.
My bmi is about 20.5, is much lower than even the average vegan 😂
I've been naturally slender all my life.
I'm 42, vegan for 20 years and veggie for 10 before that. The other day a friend was surprised because they thought I was in my 20s! Vegetables are good for you!
@thomasjohnson308 vegetables are good for you, as is many other foods. Having great genes helps immensely.
@@ronjones1414 I have a laundry list of serious illnesses in my relatives. So far I have avoided EVERYTHING, save for my ulcerative colitis from age 11, which I am controlling far better as vegan.
@@thomasjohnson308 I look about 40, and I have the athletic body of a guy about 35. I'm 53. I'm as active and have as much energy as the average healthy guy in their mid 20's.
@@Robert-vf6ny Congratulations. I'm certain that your anecdotal story, as fantastic as it might be, is not statistically impactful enough to recommend a lifestyle?
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Mic that was a great video. As all your videos are
people who call themselves anti-vegans are not some counterculture response to the increase in the popularity of veganism. it’s just a group of people who are annoyed by being called evil because they’re not vegan.
basically all the traits of a fascists
...and insecure 'alpha males'. They aren't 'pussies' like you and me. (Sarcasm)
Conservatism, domination, and science denial are all linked? Wow I'm so surprised.
Says the one denying any science that goes against his beliefs.
@@uptown_rider8078 My beliefs are literally backed by science.
@@veganrican606 No they’re not. You only have emotional appeals, not science.
Can you imagine if the researchers had called it the Insecure Douchebag Index? 😅
Woooz a big strong boy! 🐕
I follow Loren Lockman, fasting expert who says out digestive tract is almost identical to chimpanzees and bonobo monkeys. Humans are not designed to consume animals or their products and that’s why there is so much chronic illness these days. He has eaten nothing other than ripe juicy fruit and simple green salad for 30 years and has never had a single day sick. Though organic is paramount here.
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"Insecure douchebag index", that was epic 😂
Anti vegan. Reminds me of people who say they’re anti asexuality.
"What I have learned" has left the chat.
I'm neither a progressive or vegan, but that was hilarious
I just don't care about vegans, in fact I think vegans are mentally stronger than non-vegans, as they completely remove a full set of food out of their diet and stick to it, that's admiring
If you'd be open to watching a great TH-cam video by a vegan with a non-woke kind of vibe, here's the title:
Best Speech You Will Ever Hear - Gary Yourofsky
@@user-wv8ju3dw8s What does "vegan with a non-woke kind of vibe" mean? 😅
@@heekamalokilo7194 Hard to describe. You kind of know it when you see it, I guess.
@@user-wv8ju3dw8s I think that's subjective. Everyone has their own idea of "woke" so I was confused by a vegan recommending a "non-woke" pro-vegan speech to a non-vegan.
@@heekamalokilo7194 It's something about Gary's manner. He comes across as very "straight" and non-hippy. If you haven't yet watched his speech, I'd definitely recommend it. It's the best summary of veganism I've ever heard.
Think the real issue is we are just animals, we have big brains but don't use most of it and behave like social animals. I've seen vegans trying to fit in with mainstream narrative, guess everyone wants to belong to a social caste but now I'm a older man, you should always stay true to your values even if it costs you fake relationships built on dodgy foundations, Love yourself too.
might there be an overlap in the anit vegans and the anti trans crowds? i met an anti trans vegan who went out of his way to try to harm me psychologically but not yet come across anti vegan anti trans in one person, and i hope not to ever.
I think it's pretty obvious that there is a huge overlap but idk about specific research
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I'm not a vegan, but I don't understand why anyone would be anti-vegan. I see many positive aspects of veganism (e.g. less pollution, better health). Why people who think other people's different world view, that does not affect anyone else's, is somehow a threat to them is crazy. If I didn't like cheese or ice cream, I'd probably seriously consider veganism.😂
We have those foods tho (and exactly like manufactured animal products, some brands achieve high quality, and some make them absolutely inedible). And a physical practise isn't a "worldview that doesn't affect anyone else" - this is where science/fact gets equated to opinion, or rather the two terms get applied in the most convenient way.
You may be one not too far in the future. Animal friendly dairy products are in the works. I think animal friendly milk is available. Cheese has yet to hit the market. I am not a fan of plant based cheese, so I avoid it altogether. But I miss dairy cheese and would consider it when animal friendly cheese becomes available.
You've never tried vegan ice-cream? OMG! Your life has not yet begun!!! :)
By the way, if you'd like to find out more about veganism then a great TH-cam video to watch is the one called: Best Speech You Will Ever Hear - Gary Yourofsky
there are so many vegan ice creams, even ben & jerry's have a vegan selection
there are vegan cheeses too, it's hit or miss, but you can try veganuary challenge (eating vegan for 30 days) and discover many delicious vegan meals that you like, taste buds change every few weeks so you'd get accustomed to new flavors
You can find vegan replacements to any kind of food you like. Some brands are delicious. It just takes trying different ones, until you find one you like.
Not surprising results....
Hold on why did any vegans vote to use animals how ever they like !? 😕
One time, I was at the store and asked the salesperson where the meat alternatives were and he said "oh, you're one of those". I asked what he meant by that and he said "you're a vegan".
As if vegans are aliens from another planet. 🤨
I've been a vegan for 16 years now and I've heard it all. From people telling me that you need to eat meat to stay alive (according to them I've been dead for the last 16 years 🤣).
Others telling me "you're vegan, that is soo sad cause there's not that much for you to eat."
Another one (a co-worker) told me "God created animals for us to eat, it's s sin if you don't eat meat".
Anyways, I could go on with some mind-blowing things people have told me.
What a bunch of hoopleheads 😂
I hope , but Im doubting that you are thriving. According to yourself, im sure you are convinced to be thriving 😂
I was in the same boat ( around 15 years back) as you and didn't realize I was degenerating like mad .. until I go carnivore and saw what was like to be really thriving .
I'm not here to convince you, I know that the brainwash with vegoonism is to good to be broken like that , it took me a decade of intense suffering.
Have fun 😊
This is like my 3rd or 4th day of my 5th attempt. I did it the right way this time. It echoes the 1st time, when I was watching a documentary that turned my stomach. I think it was "Forks over knives." This time however, I watched the documentary #Earthlings on here (TH-cam) and there's no going back, at least cognitively. I'm also going to continue to consume media instead of just the 1st initial shock value documentary. And then a couple of TH-cam videos on plant-based recipes. 🍃
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I'm making sure that I watch positive and beautiful things that help me manifest the life of my dreams, but I'm going to make sure that when I start "having cravings" I'll remind myself (in this 1st year probably more so) either with educational yet direct videos and books or through factory farming footage. No creature deserves the level of pain they go through just so I can have some chicken nuggets. It's so easy for people to shovel down a burger when they don't hear a creature crying out. 😔
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I didn't mean to bring up something that you've already known and to mess up your vibe, I just wanted to say that you inspire me and I hope that someday I too can leave a comment on here from the experience of 16 years in this beautiful lifestyle. I hope you make the best of your day or night, One Love. ♻️
To be fair, any tight knit group acts just the same. I've seen plenty of "holier than thou" vegan groups, as they say, militant vegans. I am conservative politically, but I cannot deny the ancestry, history, and biology inherent in eating plant based. I will never understand why men think they have to eat meat to be a man? I do believe people should eat as they want, even to their detriment. I'm not wholesale vegan, but personally I do my best to avoid animal based foods. I would also be curious how widespread and diverse these anti-vegans group are, as I'm guessing these online groups are full of the same people over and over.
I've noticed more of the bullying and hate against plant-based diets and vegans here in the USA. During my time living in Canada and the United Kingdom, and during a vacation in India, not one person in those countries had any issues or negativity because I follow a plant-based diet. Only here in America am I constantly bullied.
You do understand that veganism isn't a diet... right?
I think you're right in principle but only as long as you decontextualise it. In context, it's apparent to me that vegan-hate is a social phenomenon, whereas pushback from vegans against non-vegans comes from a place of concern for animals and the environment etc. and not from hate but rather frustration.
For a minute, at the beginning there, I actually thought you said, “ … people *kook* identity as vegan-haters.”
I thought - Yeah, they’re kooks alright. 😅💜😵💫🤷🏻♀️🤪💜😅
Did that really had to be proven?
The fight against something is in society often stronger with more fals claims and more anger than the fight for something.
We saw that in History to this Day.
There’s nonsense on both sides, with both being confident and smug in their assertions.
Please stop eating animals. Watch DOMINION.
"For they, making a god of their belly, sacrificed unto their god the innocent creatures of the earth, in place of the carnal nature within themselves.
And eating of their flesh and drinking of their blood to their own destruction, corrupted their bodies and shortened their days, even as the Gentiles who knew not the truth, or who knowing it, have changed it into a lie."
Questionnaires are the lowest form of research. But it was entertaining.
It makes sense that the meat eaters are more dominant since fats contribute to testosterone synthesis. Also, the protein in meat is more bioavailable and complete leading to more muscle growth. The downside is that it could contribute to atherosclerosis.
There are downsides to both. I think a balanced diet is the best, but I respect people wanting to be vegan for moral reasons. I get it and I understand it.
Debunked nonsense.
@@Spock_Rogers not only is it evident based on simple observation, but it’s also backed by the scientific literature. What are you talking about?
A simple google search would show you that you’re wrong.
The definition of dominance in this survey was not an upside for sure. Do you think testosterone is correlated with a desire for social inequality? I know i am a sample size of 1 but as someone who measures higher than average for testosterone and has advocated for social equality since i was 10 years old, i think this is a somewhat unfair characterisation.
I appreciate your middle ground approach, but some of the facts need citations here. I would agree that the protein story is incomplete; it's still researched and we're finding specific transport mechanisms for dietary peptides like those from collagen. however, as far as muscle building, one cannot jump to that conclusion based on protein availability mechanisms. Further, the claims of increased testosterone based on increased fat is contrary to what the science says. Increased fat intake is associated with decreased free testosterone, and there's a sizable body of evidence demonstrating that low carb diets consistently result in low free testosterone. In fact, the evidence is so compelling that long time carnivore Paul saladino cites this as the reason for including plant products back in his diet after years of exclusive meat intake.
@@mesCheerios testosterone affects the production of dopamine which makes you want to accomplish things. So it’s not surprising it is linked to being dominant in society.
To your point, I don’t think testosterone and a view of social equality are related. I think that’s a matter of values based on a number of things.
Anti-vegans sound like Ian Rand.
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I eat mostly plant based, but can understand the anti vegan movement as a lot of vegans are really irritating people.
You mean - online.
Out in the flesh and blood world, different story.
A lot of us are irritating online, when we comment.
You are probably irritated now, reading this.
No, no irritation at that comment. Maybe you're right -it's the online people mostly.
all groups are therefore irritating since they all have people that are irritating
you can't find a group that doesn't have irritating people, even monks get aggressive
@@FruityHachi Yes, but some groups have many more irritating people than others. I find the woke people and vegans have the highest numbers of such people.
@@Haufpunk and when we look at the right, there are many irritating people there too
Ex vegan here. Ate only plants for 5 years and became really unwell. Not anti vegans just anti people who arent open to other peoples experiences or insinuate theyre liars or did it wrong.
If veganism works for someone, great for them, but Im also anti people not realising they look or feel unwell or are degenerating. Which happened to me, until it got really bad.
Hmmm. What do you mean by ate only plants for 5 years? I do admit we vegans have to be more cognizant of having a full protein spectrum which is not too difficult at all.
Also. There are careless unhealthy eaters of all different categories. We can all fall into a state of mind for various reasons, ending up with unhealthy dietary habits that before we know it becomes a lifestyle.✌️
@@8sun52 I mean no animal products whatsoever. Fruit, veges, nuts, seeds, legumes, grains.
@@rebeccabriggs2982 OK. Yeah...we have to do what we have to do. You needed to reverse your diet.
I stress the legumes with some grains. Legumes are more protein dense than grains. And I only include complex carbs and not the refined carbs. Except once in a while when I get lackadaisical.
OK. I'm always curious about other ex-vegans. Thank you.
Been since the early '90s and my blood work always is within range. Protein, A1C, triglycerides. Blood pressure excellent. I just got a sonogram as part of a physical. My kidneys are in good shape.
OK.
Take care
@8sun52 hi, I eat some chickpea flour, red lentil pasta and quinoa now. A few pumpkin seeds
Everything else is animal products fruit and veges.
@@rebeccabriggs2982 OK. Well... you're not going to the extreme mostly or all meat diet.🥴
it's because people have coping mechanisms that they're adhered to, and they think that Vegan means the coping mechanism will be taken away. there is great resistance to that.
My previous comment was deleted, but I meant that no one wants to stop you from eating only plants and slowly destroying your health. Why would anyone want to stop veganism?!? It's your choice and you made it!
I've met vegans which didn't talk to " meateaters". In the west, venaganism often attracts extremists. I saw this change in my ex. She went from vegetarian, complaining of extremist vegans, to be an extremist vegan herself. That's why she is my ex now lol
They often call people which eat meat "murderers". Same like in the middle ages non believers were persecuted, many western vegans would persecute meat eaters, given the circumstances. Like the inquisition, not far from it.
U pay to murder animals ,dont u.
It's best not to tell people you're a Vegan.
I'm not openly gay/bi-ish either.
It's best to always raise your voice for animals and anyone bullied.
I'm happy to tell people that I'll def. be a vegan someday..
My sister is a scientist and retired professor who spent much time in a research lab and teaching medical students. She insists on placebo-controlled randomized trials for her science. Hard to do with a WFPB DIET, and very reductionist. She is about 85 to 90% plant-based and insists it's not necessary to go a 100% to reverse cancer.
I've helped 12 people reverse their Cancer- including my dog! Those who did not stay 100% plant-based, after it was gone had the cancer return. Epidemiological studies support this, but hey, somehow to some scientists it's okay to deny hundreds of studies with thousands of people and long-lived and low cancer rate populations. SMH...
Yes. Absolutely.
Gary Null has reversed terminal cancers with a plant based diet of super nutritional foods to really boost the immune system. And detox and other modalities. A lifestyle change. The MDs would say the diagnosis wasn't definitive enough and verified well. So now he requires carefully reviewed definitive terminal cancer diagnosis from terminal cancer people.
The immune system is very key. Finally corporate medicine is finally "catching up".
He has a retreat down in Mineola , Texas where people experience amazing turnarounds from chronic health conditions. MDs have witnessed this themselves, awe struck.
And Wiki. Gary Null is not a quake. Get a clue.
Check out what various Cancers and chronic ailments Max Gerson was reversing through a plant based diet and other supplements.
I agree with your sister, the about 90% plant based is what people in the blue zones eat and the seafood eaters had the same life expectancy as the vegans within margin of error with the seventh day Adventists in Loma Linda.
Not necessarily!!!!. But wouldn't it be better for the animals. No suffering.
@@annoyedaussie3942 That may be, but my clinical experience has shown if one has a serious disease they are trying to reverse - or heal from, those who still have animal products in their diet fail in that effort. Of course, there are other lifestyle factors that play a role in health as evidenced by the blue zones, but crikey, if one has cancer wouldn't you want to do EVERYTHING in your power to reverse it?!!
@optimaldietcoach1705 if I had cancer I would consider going vegan but for now I don't so it's hypothetical.
That "not pooped in the last week" comment was hilarious!
But probably true. 😆
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The only thing more annoying than a vegan hater or anti vegan is an actual vegan.
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My advice? - Walk Away. Maybe that's easy for me to say as an imperfect vegan.
What's "an imperfect vegan", a non-vegan?
20 of 21 meals are vegan with 1 pescatarian meal per week. If the restaurant makes a mistake and puts fetta on the salad I don't freak out and send it back. I didn't ask my host exactly how the vegetables were prepared. I don't ask if that birthday cake is vegan and participate with my co-workers. I don't preach to others and I'll wear wool and eat honey. @@jonahwhale9047
These are the people who make it impossible to have a decent conversation about veganism with (in the comments) 🤐
It is very hard to be reasonable with people whose entire mindset is 'throw loads of shit at the wall, see what sticks'. For anti-vegans it is ideology first, then evident (if any).
You cannot reason with closed minds, hence the sort of comments you tend to see on videos like this one. Vegans are fed up of habitually being the only reasonable ones in the room.
excuse me, the correct term is "nut shells", ty
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Different diets definitely effect the consciousness and mood and have different effects . It is probably not good to have negative sentiment towards others due to there diet . If people collectively want to stop eating meat it will probably take hundreds of years from my prediction.
Qualitative research is also scientific
I think the majority of chefs are the biggest anti vegans out there. They seem to take these things very personally. I base my case on the woeful vegan options on the menus of non-vegan restaurants, wedding venues (mushroom risotto anyone?) and catered events. I have had chefs refuse to make an option minus the meat, but I think the best example was a pre-Covid event I was invited to attend at a posh resort, for the pleasure of which I paid a couple hundred dollars. There were about 25 vegans/vegetarians spread out amongst the 70 or so diners and we were all served a plate of steamed carrot, potatoes and beans. No dressing, sauce or seasoning. For dessert we were given a bowl of cut up banana, grapes and strawberries. I don’t think the chef was ignorant. I believe the meal was simply punitive. I thought I was the only one offended by this, but it ended up causing a riot not seen since the storming of the Bastille. It was the only part of the evening worth the money.🎉
They're building their menu for their customers. Restaurants need to buy relatively large quantities, preferably of fresh produce. Vegans are a minority of customers that is also unpredictable because they're rare enough that variance is going to be huge. You could have 3% of your customers be vegan, or 30% and that trend can very well shift in an unpredictable manner. It's just not worth it for the business to have extensive vegan meal options with high quality products as they'd just be losing money.
Really makes the claims about vegan elitism quite hilarious, all the rich freaks are dining on rotisserie ostrich and beluga whale sperm, they generally dgaf about veganism. I mean, why would they? Rich people are psychopaths.
Can you be anti anti-vegan? Cause I think I am one.
literally meeee😭
"Just science in general is potential vegan bias" 😂
I think the study is very helpful in that it identifies the fatal flaw of anti-vegans: Their incredibly fragile egos.
How does one interface with anti-vegans? You ridicule them for their lack of mental acuity 😂