* _NTSB investigator, looking into what has happened..._ * „Hmm...This appears to be a UKCA mark.“ 🤔 „And this plate says _"Made in Swindon, Wiltshire"_ ...“ 🏭 „I think we can all now understand *why* this has happened!“ ⚙🇬🇧🔥😉
@@fredstuckmann It was just a joke. I'm from (And economically confined ♿ to) the UK and strongly opposed to the Brexit process. Since _The I.T. Crowd_ did that sketch with the fire extinguisher¹ I've not been able to avoid seeing the UKCA mark as standing for _„UK: Combustibility Assured“_ 🧯🇬🇧🔥🤣 (¹ - There seems to be an urban legend about British-made extinguishers tending to _catch_ fire rather than put them out. I'm going to guess that somewhere along the line someone needed to have a CO² extinguisher refilled, learned how much it would cost, said „Fc🇬🇧 that!“ and tried refilling it with compressed air instead. As we both know, compressed air contains Oxygen...So discharging that over a fire could potentially _fuel_ it as much as it might help _blow it out!_ 🌬🔥😇)
@@fredstuckmann The assumption might be that compressed air coming out of a nozzle would be enough to put a fire out. Though the thermodynamic effect of a compressed gas expanding will help firefighting somewhat (That's why you _never_ touch the horn of a CO² extinguisher during or shortly after discharge) regular air could potentially aid fuelling the fire, which is why CO² or some other inert/oxygen-free gas is used. 😇
We in NE Ohio had heard this weekend that this passenger sightseeing train had to stop in the National Park for “technical difficulties”, but it was not mentioned what had happened. Now we see why…. Thank you for the video!
Ah yes, good old "technical difficulties"... A friend and I were driving out to a small airport near Hamburg to get a ride on a floatplane (which we'd actually watched depart from the main airport before heading out). He got a phone call to say that our flight was cancelled due to technical difficulties; when he asked about rebooking, she got very evasive... We turned up at the airfield, and found out from some random person what the "technical difficulties" were: It was upside-down in the harbour, with the two passengers drowned. We were booked on the next flight. It turned out later that the pilot had left the wheels down while landing on the water and they dug in on touchdown.
@@sablatnic8030 Bad one. Gave me the heebie-jeebies for a long time. Ibelieve the pilot admitted at the scene to having left the gear down, then denied everything and dragged it through the courts before losing his licence and moving to a part of Africa where they don't care about such details. The funny part is, my friend told me that he'd been booked to fly on the previous Hamburg floatplane, and it had spun in and crashed the day before. We went gliding instead, so I made him go first. :P
Had the pleasure of riding the old California Zephyr back in ‘68 as it was approaching the end of its run. I was 13 and my father thought I should experience the thrill of riding one of these old classics before they were gone.
@ We also went from D.C. to Albuquerque via the B&O Capitol Limited and the Santa Fe Chief in ‘65. Having done that trip and the trip in ‘68 spoiled rail travel for me. AMTRAK just doesn’t make it.
@ In fact a train that calls itself the Zephyr still runs from Chicago to San Francisco but bears a faint resemblance to the train my father and I rode. I’m sure that a few of the Pullman cars seen in this video were cars that were part of our journey West.
Couldnt pick out the name on the sides of the cars as they passed but the colour on one of them made me think that this was the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad train, untill I saw the FPA4 6777 (nee CNR 6777, VIA 6777) on the back end and knew for certain it was. I had followed all the FPA&B4's for a long time. First encounter with them was in the Maritimes back inthe 70's and have been hooked ever since. Thank you for posting this.
Does this look like a runaway Turbo-Diesel engine failure? or is it something else? Cooling loss? You hardly could stop/choke a runaway diesel until the Pistons would go flying skywards! (except for very old Agricultural Tractor engines. One single cylinder! which had a decompression valve.)
@@vhsorbeta95 that your opinion and you're entitled to it. I personally like graffiti. Then again imma amateur artist so... Let people think it's vandalism. Those are the people who don't understand how much time and effort it takes to make it graffiti. Also, I live in the Detroit area so I see wonderful artwork when I go down to Detroit
Oil leaked unto a Traction Motor? The smoke appeared to be coming from the rear Truck. I have seen AC Motors that came uncorked, this looked like something that may have caused problems sooner? The Alco Traction Motors were known for durability and this appeared to indicate the Oil leak may have proceeded through the Cooling Fans or ducts, to urinate on the Alco Traction Motors Corn Flakes.
@@danielhutchinson6604 I never said anything about traction motors, nor did my source, just that is was from a long, unaddressed oil leak. 6771 is also down, because they failed to address water leaking into the engine from the cooling system. They've had to resort to leasing power from Larry's. Senior management has issues.
Ahh yess. Railroads are seeing more and more smokey equipment going up in smoke. This shouldn't be. Well not at least with freight and passenger rates as high as they are.
Have always wanted to take a train 'cross country. It's on the bucket list! Love the videos, just haven't commented before. Sorry to see CVSR6777 on fire. I appreciated the close-up, cuz you could see them trying to put the fire out. Hope she wasn't damaged too bad!! ♥
So have I! Not sure where you live but there are trips across Canada and the Canadian rockies that are amazing. A shorter much more affordable train excursion is the Agawa Valley train ride which is a 4 hour ride in. They let you off for a while then take you back out. This is in Canada north of Michigan in the agawa Valley and in the fall is also a beautiful trip. Much more affordable.
I had the pleasure of taking the Amtrak all the way around the US, back when I was 14 yrs old with my grand-parents! My Popaw grew up working on & off of old steam engines in the Ritter Lumber Yard & paper mill era up in the Great Smokey Mountains of NC! Coincidentally, his father, my great grand father was killed (a horrific death) on the ET&WNC line...Which we now all affectionately know as “Tweetsie RR.” Not that specific train, mind you (don’t wanna ruin it for the kiddo’s), however it was on that rail line he was killed. 😢
A friend and I took a sleeper car trip around the USA in 2017. We had a layover in Seattle where we boarded a 7 day cruise ship to the Alaska inside passage. We loved every moment of that month-long adventure, done with a single carry-on bag each, and a carry-on rolling suitcase with the boxed wine and scrabble games. On the train we had a closet with a view, took boxed wine, plastic wedding wineglasses, and "hosted" folks from all over the world. Everybody loves Merlot. The AMTRAK food service was excellent. The cruise, not so much.
@@GeckoHiker One Granny claimed she was getting Her Sea Legs on the Empire Builder one day as I was riding that Superliner train. The Superliners floors were known to be similar to ships at Sea.- A Friend took advantage of the 45 day tour plan that Amtrak offers. He was dissapointed. I have ridden many Amtrack Trains since the end of Rail Travel on the Owner Roads expired in 1970, but none appeared to offer service as nice as in 1965. Get a Roomette and relax if you want to enjoy the ride. They do offer affordable accommodations if you plan ahead. I look forward to improved Rail Services, as the Economy goes completely to hell. We just are unable to afford to drive anymore.
Ruth, I'd strongly encourage you to do that. It's like no other way you've ever travelled. There are several ways to do it in the United States, and one in Canada.
A traction motor fire does make sense seeing where the white smoke appears to be coming from. My first guess was a coolant system malfunction because it looks like a lot of steam from the camera point of view.
Agree, no gray, black, or brown (fuel source present), just the white steam cloud, and at 4 to 500 yards, should be able to smell the vapors. If it caught fire, it would have been very noticeable.
@@Greatdome99no compression ignition on a diesel will have white smoke. If it ate a valve or two and was down a couple holes that could also be the cause. The easiest way to tell is smell.
All I could think about was the scene from trains planes and automobiles when the train breaks down. Speaking of which, it's almost that time of the year for that movie.
Sad to see the demise from whatever was the cause. Can I just say, though. It still doesn't diminish my absolute love for trains! The rails, raw power, cutting through beautiful countryside, reminiscent of early transportation days gone by. Yeah Classic!
Cuyahoga Valley Scenic RR in Ohio between Cleveland and Akron and through the Cuyahoga Valley National Park on part of the journey. Thanks for tuning in.
This operation is pathetic. They have no concept of how this line should be operated. They have more money than they know what to do with and waste it. The NPS needs to reign in the mis-management. The top heavy overpaid management should be focusing on hiring experienced Alco qualified locomotive mechanics. They're out there. The cash they waste on rent-a-wrecks from Larry's should go to proper regular maintenance, which is obviously not being done. And that's a safety issue. The FRA should have a field day with this bunch.
Yeah, they need to stop wasting money on rentals and put that towards purchasing permanent locomotives and better maintenance. They’ve now lost 4241, 1822, 182 which I still don’t get why they purchased it in the first place if they never used it, and now 6777 probably to the same fate as 4241. 6780 hasn’t worked in years, and 365 is always breaking down. 6773 and 365 are the only CVSR locomotives in service, and I’m sure 365 will go down soon again lol
Ouch poor 77. Not surprised though as 77 has been ole reliable for awhile and has been ignored of needed maintenance for awhile and now here we are. Also nice to see the video going viral! Congratulations!
Hi from New Zealand thankyou for great work you do ,would it be possible to name the area /state that you are filming in so I can find it on a map, learn a lot that way many thanks sue
Nice looking power and passenger lineup. My dad worked for the ICRR for 42 years in a switching yard, and also on a large wrecker crane out of that yard. He said most of the problems were caused by failed sections of rails, and poor maintenance of freight equipment.
I’m amazed I’ve never seen your channel before, here. This is our neighborhood my neighborhood your neighborhood ha ha ha volunteered in the park for 25 years and I never rode the damn train yet. That was 20 years ago. I guess there’s still time.
Was this yesterday? I was waiting at Jaite for almost an hour around this time - last time the app updated was 3:37 near Everett I believe - so this lines up well. What crap luck with their fleet
We had yard engines catch the stack on fire every so often. We would move them away from the loading racks and just rev them up. Fire would shoot into the air as all the creosote and junk burned out of the stacks. They idled 24/7. Occasionally one would catch fire in the engine compartment and we would scramble to put it out with fire extinguishers. I wish that I could have photoed one but that was pre cell phones. Enjoyed operating them.
It looks like a lot of condensing steam more than an over heating Diesel cooling system would produce. The lead locomotive road switcher is likely providing much if not all of the motive power for running at 15 mph. The end-of-train passenger locomotive likely has a steam generator for supplying the heritage passenger cars. The weather is not cold so this being an occasional tourist train the volunteers like didn't maintain the steam generator or its fittings recently.
A couple things to note...their max speed is 25 MPH, but you're correct that it isn't always necessary to use both locos for motive power. None of their equipment is equipped with steam heat as all of it was replaced with electric radiant heat and/or blowers, mostly by previous owners. Given the coaches didn't need it, the FPA-4 shown had its steam generator removed several years ago.
Traction Motor fires can happen to anyone, even if maintainence has been deferred in this case, it's still fair to say that you can have a fresh(ish) engine, and it will still blow a traction motor.
George Hockaday passed away, that's what. That was his personal locomotive, and he kept it in top shape while he was alive. I remember riding behind that unit on the Ontario Midland, maybe 30 years ago.
In the last century, 1979 to be exact, one of the WM F-7's on a NRHS Capital Limited excursion had a traction motor buy the farm at around 75 mph-talk about a show!
At first I thought flames were licking up the front. It was just passing in & out of the sunlight. But what I really find interesting is the fact that people sit at railroad crossings to film trains going by. People like that would love the town I now live in.
Thanks for stopping by, if fear would be an issue, I would never again get in my car and drive on a 6 lane nightmare with all the trucks in every lane. 😉
All mechanicals need maintenance, human failure quite normal plus of course ‘ Sod’s Law!’ Nice colours of the countryside great train & a great picture! 🇬🇧👍👍👍
@@ArturoRailProductions thank you so much. I've been to Ohio before, reminds me a lot of Ontario actually. Definitely going to check out this rail road thanks for the info.
Here's an update for you. It's been confirmed that it was a traction motor fire. Thank you for your interest in this video.
* _NTSB investigator, looking into what has happened..._ *
„Hmm...This appears to be a UKCA mark.“ 🤔
„And this plate says _"Made in Swindon, Wiltshire"_ ...“ 🏭
„I think we can all now understand *why* this has happened!“ ⚙🇬🇧🔥😉
@@dieseldragon6756 Interesting, you've got more info than I do, thank you.
@@fredstuckmann It was just a joke. I'm from (And economically confined ♿ to) the UK and strongly opposed to the Brexit process. Since _The I.T. Crowd_ did that sketch with the fire extinguisher¹ I've not been able to avoid seeing the UKCA mark as standing for _„UK: Combustibility Assured“_ 🧯🇬🇧🔥🤣
(¹ - There seems to be an urban legend about British-made extinguishers tending to _catch_ fire rather than put them out. I'm going to guess that somewhere along the line someone needed to have a CO² extinguisher refilled, learned how much it would cost, said „Fc🇬🇧 that!“ and tried refilling it with compressed air instead. As we both know, compressed air contains Oxygen...So discharging that over a fire could potentially _fuel_ it as much as it might help _blow it out!_ 🌬🔥😇)
@@dieseldragon6756 Without oxygen the fire goes out, so how does one justify putting it in an extinguisher?
@@fredstuckmann The assumption might be that compressed air coming out of a nozzle would be enough to put a fire out. Though the thermodynamic effect of a compressed gas expanding will help firefighting somewhat (That's why you _never_ touch the horn of a CO² extinguisher during or shortly after discharge) regular air could potentially aid fuelling the fire, which is why CO² or some other inert/oxygen-free gas is used. 😇
What a great collection of passenger cars!
Yes, you can almost make out John Candy & Steve Martin trudging away from those passenger cars, with the old steamer trunk between them.
I counted 11
We in NE Ohio had heard this weekend that this passenger sightseeing train had to stop in the National Park for “technical difficulties”, but it was not mentioned what had happened. Now we see why…. Thank you for the video!
Thank you so much for visiting.
Ah yes, good old "technical difficulties"... A friend and I were driving out to a small airport near Hamburg to get a ride on a floatplane (which we'd actually watched depart from the main airport before heading out). He got a phone call to say that our flight was cancelled due to technical difficulties; when he asked about rebooking, she got very evasive... We turned up at the airfield, and found out from some random person what the "technical difficulties" were: It was upside-down in the harbour, with the two passengers drowned. We were booked on the next flight. It turned out later that the pilot had left the wheels down while landing on the water and they dug in on touchdown.
What do you expect from the 'fake news'.
@@6yjjk I remember that, about 15 years ago - the people in the front seats got out, the ones in the rear didn't!
@@sablatnic8030 Bad one. Gave me the heebie-jeebies for a long time. Ibelieve the pilot admitted at the scene to having left the gear down, then denied everything and dragged it through the courts before losing his licence and moving to a part of Africa where they don't care about such details.
The funny part is, my friend told me that he'd been booked to fly on the previous Hamburg floatplane, and it had spun in and crashed the day before. We went gliding instead, so I made him go first. :P
That would be an okay look for a steam engine, but not a diesel one. Nice footage, beautiful train & scenery. Bummer about the fire. THANKS Fred!
Welcome.
Found this surprisingly satisfying. Thanks. Nostalgic to hear and see a train again. Good job.
Thank you.
Sorry about the fire, hope no one was injured but it was still a wonderful look at a train close up.❤❤
No injuries, Thank you.
Had the pleasure of riding the old California Zephyr back in ‘68 as it was approaching the end of its run. I was 13 and my father thought I should experience the thrill of riding one of these old classics before they were gone.
Your dad was a wise man.
@ We also went from D.C. to Albuquerque via the B&O Capitol Limited and the Santa Fe Chief in ‘65. Having done that trip and the trip in ‘68 spoiled rail travel for me. AMTRAK just doesn’t make it.
The Zephyr still runs along the coast of California.
@ In fact a train that calls itself the Zephyr still runs from Chicago to San Francisco but bears a faint resemblance to the train my father and I rode. I’m sure that a few of the Pullman cars seen in this video were cars that were part of our journey West.
@@henryw4129😊
Gorgeous setting, beautiful. hopefully nothing burned down.
Thank you, just that traction motor.
Gorgeous train in such a lovely setting. Rail travel at its finest.
I'd like to have time to enjoy the cars with the upper viewing deck.
Stopped due to a maintenance issues can’t be called the “finest”. It’s a fail
Wonder if the riders got their money back.
Was great until it caught FIRE!
Couldnt pick out the name on the sides of the cars as they passed but the colour on one of them made me think that this was the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad train, untill I saw the FPA4 6777 (nee CNR 6777, VIA 6777) on the back end and knew for certain it was. I had followed all the FPA&B4's for a long time. First encounter with them was in the Maritimes back inthe 70's and have been hooked ever since.
Thank you for posting this.
My pleasure, thank you for watching.
Nice train . Love the stainless Budd cars.
Thank you.
Loved the scenery. Really nice train. Pity about the locomotive fire. Best wishes from UK.
Thank you so much.
Does this look like a runaway Turbo-Diesel engine failure? or is it something else? Cooling loss?
You hardly could stop/choke a runaway diesel until the Pistons would go flying skywards!
(except for very old Agricultural Tractor engines. One single cylinder! which had a decompression valve.)
@@konradcomrade4845aw
@@konradcomrade4845yes
Finally a beautiful train without a bunch of graffiti crap all over it
Where do you still see that?
At railroad crossings or train yards
Personally I like the art of graffiti. Gives train cars a unique touch
@@DownriverTrains Art? Everyone else calls it vandalism.
@@vhsorbeta95 that your opinion and you're entitled to it. I personally like graffiti. Then again imma amateur artist so... Let people think it's vandalism. Those are the people who don't understand how much time and effort it takes to make it graffiti. Also, I live in the Detroit area so I see wonderful artwork when I go down to Detroit
Sources close to the operation told me it was the result of an oil leak that went unattended to for awhile.
Oil leaked unto a Traction Motor?
The smoke appeared to be coming from the rear Truck.
I have seen AC Motors that came uncorked, this looked like something that may have caused problems sooner?
The Alco Traction Motors were known for durability and this appeared to indicate the Oil leak may have proceeded through the Cooling Fans or ducts, to urinate on the Alco Traction Motors Corn Flakes.
@@danielhutchinson6604 I never said anything about traction motors, nor did my source, just that is was from a long, unaddressed oil leak. 6771 is also down, because they failed to address water leaking into the engine from the cooling system. They've had to resort to leasing power from Larry's. Senior management has issues.
@@paulw.woodring7304 Yeah, wouldn't want to be a volunteer on that team.
@@paulw.woodring7304 the smoke coming from the axle area indicated running gear issues.
Where there is smoke, it seems wise to look.
@@paulw.woodring7304 I have seen plenty of burned out Traction Motors around Mullen Pass.
Ah, the cost of deferred maintenance. Sooner or later, everybody has to pay.
Ahh yess. Railroads are seeing more and more smokey equipment going up in smoke. This shouldn't be. Well not at least with freight and passenger rates as high as they are.
Pay a thousand now... or ten thousand later.
Traction motor fire, happens all the time.
Rather be on that train vs Boeing jet....
The results of deregulation. Expect more in the future.
best impression of a steam engine I've ever seen a diesel do...
That's for sure.
@@fredstuckmann American Trains Has The Best Sounding Horn and Whistle Blowing. The Best Sounding American Trains.🥇🥇🏆🏆👍👍👍👍
2:10 I don’t even understand what the heck happened 😳😳😳
😂😂😂
@@JackNeville-m4wengine went to heaven.
Inside avery ALCO diesel locomotive, there's a steam engine trying to get out.
The same in every electronic component. If the magic smoke that makes it work escapes, it stops working.
@@olmostgudinaf8100 and you can never get it back in!
An…..AMERICAN!!!
I love the colors of every car that train is pulling
The Train... Are The Cars. The Locomotives are what's pulling the "train".
@@Romans--bo7bryes I know the engines are pulling the cars
Have always wanted to take a train 'cross country. It's on the bucket list! Love the videos, just haven't commented before. Sorry to see CVSR6777 on fire. I appreciated the close-up, cuz you could see them trying to put the fire out. Hope she wasn't damaged too bad!! ♥
So have I! Not sure where you live but there are trips across Canada and the Canadian rockies that are amazing. A shorter much more affordable train excursion is the Agawa Valley train ride which is a 4 hour ride in. They let you off for a while then take you back out. This is in Canada north of Michigan in the agawa Valley and in the fall is also a beautiful trip. Much more affordable.
I had the pleasure of taking the Amtrak all the way around the US, back when I was 14 yrs old with my grand-parents! My Popaw grew up working on & off of old steam engines in the Ritter Lumber Yard & paper mill era up in the Great Smokey Mountains of NC! Coincidentally, his father, my great grand father was killed (a horrific death) on the ET&WNC line...Which we now all affectionately know as “Tweetsie RR.” Not that specific train, mind you (don’t wanna ruin it for the kiddo’s), however it was on that rail line he was killed. 😢
A friend and I took a sleeper car trip around the USA in 2017. We had a layover in Seattle where we boarded a 7 day cruise ship to the Alaska inside passage. We loved every moment of that month-long adventure, done with a single carry-on bag each, and a carry-on rolling suitcase with the boxed wine and scrabble games.
On the train we had a closet with a view, took boxed wine, plastic wedding wineglasses, and "hosted" folks from all over the world. Everybody loves Merlot. The AMTRAK food service was excellent. The cruise, not so much.
@@GeckoHiker One Granny claimed she was getting Her Sea Legs on the Empire Builder one day as I was riding that Superliner train. The Superliners floors were known to be similar to ships at Sea.-
A Friend took advantage of the 45 day tour plan that Amtrak offers. He was dissapointed.
I have ridden many Amtrack Trains since the end of Rail Travel on the Owner Roads expired in 1970, but none appeared to offer service as nice as in 1965.
Get a Roomette and relax if you want to enjoy the ride.
They do offer affordable accommodations if you plan ahead.
I look forward to improved Rail Services, as the Economy goes completely to hell.
We just are unable to afford to drive anymore.
Ruth, I'd strongly encourage you to do that. It's like no other way you've ever travelled. There are several ways to do it in the United States, and one in Canada.
A traction motor fire does make sense seeing where the white smoke appears to be coming from. My first guess was a coolant system malfunction because it looks like a lot of steam from the camera point of view.
Agree, no gray, black, or brown (fuel source present), just the white steam cloud, and at 4 to 500 yards, should be able to smell the vapors. If it caught fire, it would have been very noticeable.
Haven't been told the cause yet.
Black: carbon, fuel
Gray: oil
White: water vapor
@@Greatdome99no compression ignition on a diesel will have white smoke. If it ate a valve or two and was down a couple holes that could also be the cause. The easiest way to tell is smell.
Yep, that ain't steam.
Oh dear, oh my.....
I do hope the problem gets resolved
Maintenance, it all comes down to maintenance. I was told at the last Co. I worked at.
Bad news for the CVSR, but congratulations on your epic views!! Astounding numbers!!
Thank you.
Mr. Fred, your seiberling barberton friend here, great to see your still out there putting up great shots, those pass cars look sweet!
Thank you so much.
You know that every one on that train was enjoying the fact that the train was moving slowly, very cool
@@lesliepropheter5040 Thank you.
Nice locations, especially the crossing. Love that Alco. I saw what appeared to be a former NHRR car. Impressive consist.
Which one was the NH car?
Dispatcher: CVSR 6777, are you still moving...is everything okay?
Conductor: Yep! We're good!
😂
So was there major or significant damage to the loco? I assume it was repairable, or at least hope it was!!
It had a fire once before, got fixed and has been a regular since 2017.
All I could think about was the scene from trains planes and automobiles when the train breaks down. Speaking of which, it's almost that time of the year for that movie.
My daughter and I watched it last week. A classic Candy (and Martin) film. Next up, The Christmas Train. My library has it. It's also a book.
You are right, that didn't end well at all. Not even close to a well ending. Nice moving picture making.
Sad to see the demise from whatever was the cause. Can I just say, though. It still doesn't diminish my absolute love for trains! The rails, raw power, cutting through beautiful countryside, reminiscent of early transportation days gone by. Yeah Classic!
I agree.
😮😮😅
@@davidschlingmann4190 🙂
So what about the passengers, how long were they stranded?
From what I was able to decipher, another unit was brought down from the yard about 12 miles away.
Is this a Strausberg (sp!) PA RR train? No notes.
Cuyahoga Valley Scenic RR in Ohio between Cleveland and Akron and through the Cuyahoga Valley National Park on part of the journey. Thanks for tuning in.
Thanks! Beautiful country out there (on West Coast)
Did I see a couple of California Zephyr dome cars?
Yes you did. Thank you.
Fred, great job!!! Im in Arkansas and love watching your stuff.
Thank you so much.
Classic o-ring failure on the horn fluid capacitor! Very creative!😂
😂
I think it was actually the rotary girder shaft
@@TheNorthwestWind 😀
Blinker fluid over fill will do it every time
@@farklefuster6876 You know it. Thank you.
The 66 year old is finding that hauling is getting to be tough work.
Ex VIA Rail - Ex Ex CN MLW FPA-4. They were pretty good. 60 years ago!
What exactly is burning to produce that much smoke ?
Traction Motor, thank you.
@
What’s in a traction motor that would smoke. - oil ?
@@WT-Sherman Lubricants. Thank you.
So what happened?
What am I missing?
A fire in the approaching unit.
This operation is pathetic. They have no concept of how this line should be operated. They have more money than they know what to do with and waste it. The NPS needs to reign in the mis-management. The top heavy overpaid management should be focusing on hiring experienced Alco qualified locomotive mechanics. They're out there. The cash they waste on rent-a-wrecks from Larry's should go to proper regular maintenance, which is obviously not being done. And that's a safety issue. The FRA should have a field day with this bunch.
Yeah, they need to stop wasting money on rentals and put that towards purchasing permanent locomotives and better maintenance. They’ve now lost 4241, 1822, 182 which I still don’t get why they purchased it in the first place if they never used it, and now 6777 probably to the same fate as 4241. 6780 hasn’t worked in years, and 365 is always breaking down. 6773 and 365 are the only CVSR locomotives in service, and I’m sure 365 will go down soon again lol
Should have had a steamer on that line.
Must have upset you dude !!!
@bertiewooster3326 exacaly. Its just a fryed traction motor.
It happens more then ppl know.
Why dont they know ?@@RazzRG
Ouch poor 77. Not surprised though as 77 has been ole reliable for awhile and has been ignored of needed maintenance for awhile and now here we are.
Also nice to see the video going viral! Congratulations!
Ignored maintenence is a common theme for this operator.
Another day at the track.
What's all the hoopla ?
Stop greezing the track
And an FA at the end. What a treat!
Probably ex Canadian
Ex CN/VIA 6777 is an FPA4, thank you.
Probably what caused the overload .
@@psychiatry-is-eugenics From Akron to Cleveland is mostly downhill, so there was no overload on this northbound move. Thank you.
Reminded me when i was very young. If i had the money i would ride day and night love them!! 😂❤
It's a nice ride through the park, I've enjoyed it many times. Thank you.
Great catch there Fred!
All that beautiful air
Hi from New Zealand thankyou for great work you do ,would it be possible to name the area /state that you are filming in so I can find it on a map, learn a lot that way many thanks sue
Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad in NE Ohio
Nice looking power and passenger lineup.
My dad worked for the ICRR for 42 years in a switching yard, and also on a large wrecker crane out of that yard. He said most of the problems were caused by failed sections of rails, and poor maintenance of freight equipment.
I’m amazed I’ve never seen your channel before, here. This is our neighborhood my neighborhood your neighborhood ha ha ha volunteered in the park for 25 years and I never rode the damn train yet. That was 20 years ago. I guess there’s still time.
Was this yesterday? I was waiting at Jaite for almost an hour around this time - last time the app updated was 3:37 near Everett I believe - so this lines up well. What crap luck with their fleet
Yes, yesterday, that's the right time too.
Nice a new project
@@fredstuckmann crazy
Will You post an update when You know more?
Will try.
What gage is that train 😊
Standard. Thank you.
I have always had a burning desire to ride that train.
Pun intended?
How do I get more info.
What ended up happening?
Passengers on board?
Did they get bussed out of there
What did happen, and the further outcome?
Engine fire, cause is unknown to me at this time and so is the outcome.
Fantastic train catch!!!👌
Thank you.
Is that what happened to the train in Trains planes and automobiles?😅
We had yard engines catch the stack on fire every so often. We would move them away from the loading racks and just rev them up. Fire would shoot into the air as all the creosote and junk burned out of the stacks. They idled 24/7. Occasionally one would catch fire in the engine compartment and we would scramble to put it out with fire extinguishers. I wish that I could have photoed one but that was pre cell phones. Enjoyed operating them.
Thanks for sharing your experience. 🙂
Who do you call for a rescue?
They called the shop that brought them another unit. I had another appointment and wasn't able to see the outworking of this situation.
Definitely not typical ALCo smoke. :(
The only accepted smoke from Alco is the black smoke. :)
Old habits die hard. Once again it appears 6777 has fallen victim to a fire...
Classic o-ring failure on the horn fluid capacitor. Gets them every time!
😂😂😂😂
It was installed with a left handed crescent wrench when they should've used a right handed one.
@@fredstuckmann The new metric Cresent wrench has phased out those. You can get one off the snap-on truck for 1 million dollars!
Not those pesky thingamabobs, again! 😂
I see what you mean! What happened? Did one of the engines actually catch on fire, or something? That's an awful lot of smoke that I see.....
There was a fire, just what caused it, I don't know yet.
What was that all about,
It looks like a lot of condensing steam more than an over heating Diesel cooling system would produce. The lead locomotive road switcher is likely providing much if not all of the motive power for running at 15 mph. The end-of-train passenger locomotive likely has a steam generator for supplying the heritage passenger cars. The weather is not cold so this being an occasional tourist train the volunteers like didn't maintain the steam generator or its fittings recently.
A couple things to note...their max speed is 25 MPH, but you're correct that it isn't always necessary to use both locos for motive power. None of their equipment is equipped with steam heat as all of it was replaced with electric radiant heat and/or blowers, mostly by previous owners. Given the coaches didn't need it, the FPA-4 shown had its steam generator removed several years ago.
Sorry folks, there’s no smoking while on this train.
No one said anything about the train itself!😮
What in the blue blazes happened to that unit?
Engine fire, is all I know at this time.
I live in the greater Cleveland area, and never heard anything about this. Odd. Cuyahoga Valley is such a beautiful area.
Like most of the human race, we're not quick to broadcast our failures. We especially don't want to turn our supporters off. Thank you.
Traction Motor fires can happen to anyone, even if maintainence has been deferred in this case, it's still fair to say that you can have a fresh(ish) engine, and it will still blow a traction motor.
Thank you sir.
I was waiting to see if Silver Lariat might have been in this consist... and she was! Great car, ridden her from LA to New Orleans and back.
That had to be a blast.
Didn't watch the amp load?
So what happened to the fa unit
Traction motor fire.
@@fredstuckmanndid the firefighters come
@@Nightprideenclave_studio Yes, they did.
What happened to it ?
Looks like a fire in a traction motor, you can see them hitting it with an extinguisher at the end.
George Hockaday passed away, that's what. That was his personal locomotive, and he kept it in top shape while he was alive.
I remember riding behind that unit on the Ontario Midland, maybe 30 years ago.
The train it's on Fire?
Just the locomotive.
Amazing footage, Fred. But at the same time very bad news. James.
I agree, thank you.
In the last century, 1979 to be exact, one of the WM F-7's on a NRHS Capital Limited excursion had a traction motor buy the farm at around 75 mph-talk about a show!
"buy the farm" 🤣
OI. Don't say last century. I'm 61. Heading down hill and gaining speed
Having a little engine trouble there?
Since when did CVSR lease a EMD Geep?
I’ve never seen that gp15 before
At first I thought flames were licking up the front. It was just passing in & out of the sunlight. But what I really find interesting is the fact that people sit at railroad crossings to film trains going by. People like that would love the town I now live in.
Thanks for stopping by, if fear would be an issue, I would never again get in my car and drive on a 6 lane nightmare with all the trucks in every lane. 😉
Is that the smokey mountain railway.
🤣Nah, just a little traction motor fire.
An old streamliner pushing at the back. Quite a sight. Looks like some of that old equipment has problems though.
Yes, unfortunately the've been having their problems, but the CVSR is fully committed to keeping them on the road. Thank you.
Which engine caught fire
The engineer thought, 'Oh no, not again'.
Oi
Are railways regulated ?
looked like a pretty bad fire good catch
Could that have been a catastrophic engine failure or a traction motor fire ?
Hey there Harry, I don't really have reliable info at this time. Sorry.
All mechanicals need maintenance, human failure quite normal plus of course ‘ Sod’s Law!’ Nice colours of the countryside great train & a great picture! 🇬🇧👍👍👍
Smoking train aside, what a beautiful landscape! Where is this?
Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad
@ArturoRailProductions in Toronto Canada here lol where is that? Looks like a place I'd like to visit :-)
@ Not too long of a travel from Toronto. It’s in NE Ohio.
@@ArturoRailProductions thank you so much. I've been to Ohio before, reminds me a lot of Ontario actually. Definitely going to check out this rail road thanks for the info.
US-American Railways:
Beautiful is something ELSE...
so what happened?
looks like a cooling system failure?
I don't have any further info at this time, but there was a fire involving the lead unit.
Slow motion?
Are those passenger cars occupied?
Yes, they were in no danger.
Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far...
The band is just fantastic that is really what think oh by the way which one is pink?
Wouldn't the first action be to shut it down...
I believe they did.
That's not good. I hope everyone was ok and they got back to their starting point ok! Jon Jaros is a friend of mine!
Thank you, nobody was hurt and CVSR sent another engine out to finish the trip.
Where is this?😊
Just like where I work. "We run to fail!"
New guy, burning out the clutch!
Millions in damage for a 25 dollar seal !
I grew up within 75 feet of a railroad. There was a crossing just down street so I heard the long long short long warning whistle many times.
No wonder Alcos were known as 'Honorary Steam Locomotives'.