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- #Trains #Railroads (12/9/23)
It's not everyday that you wake up to hear a transfer train with five PRLX SD70M-2s being led by five standard cab EMDs is in your area. And it's really not everyday when said train proceeds to stall and give quite the performance of engineering struggle. Fortunately for us, today was the day for all these things to happen, and I was blessed enough to be at the right place at the right time to catch it all...and a little bit extra. ;)
God bless. I'll see you soon, out on the High Iron.
Romans 8:28
For clarification, of the ten locomotives seen in this lashup, five of them were dead in tow, those five being the ex-NS PRLX SD70M-2s that are being moved onto CSX trackage. The SD40-2s and GP38-2s on the front were all online, but when they were leaving the yard, only two of the five were running (the first and third engines, indicated by the exhaust stacks). As a result, despite the abundance of online power, only 2/5 was actively pulling the train until the engineer got out and did some work, thus why they were struggling so much.
Там был ещё один под номером 6103. Тоже пыхтел.
@@user-Colhchim Все они «пыхтели», но тянули только двое.
@@LocoPro откуда такая осведомленность? Вы что там были,присутствовали?
@@user-Colhchim Да, это было мое видео. Я мог видеть выхлопные трубы и слышать, какие двигатели тянули, когда они проходили мимо.
Just shows alot of people don't actually read the comments especially the first one, before commenting. 😅
Love the sound of those EMDs in notch 8. The ammeters must be in the red zone.
I'd swear that some of the axle ends were in the red zone too. Not all.
Traction motor smoke...
Suuuuuuuuper good capture. Happy there was no chugging GE's to muddy the sound of those EMD's.
That's some insane power... Cool clip !!
Great video!
I'm a NZer and when I visited my relatives in Canada in 2002 I loved seeing the huge locos pulling trains alongside the Bow River in Calgary. Great to see - much better than our boring locos in NZ!
Very good catch! So many EMDs!
Imagine getting stopped at a rr crossing by a train with that many engines hooked together. It'd make you think there are a thousand railcars behind those engines.
I bet you all the steam enthusiasts are having a field day with this one.
YES, we are!!!!!
Oh yes we are🤣🤣🤣
Can you explain? Genuinely curious. I love these rail videos but don’t know much about it. Thanks!
@@JHZR2 A steam locomotive has a soul, but a diesel does not.
@@Toledo1940 That's not what he was getting at & you know that, at least make the effort for the guy.
I believe the SD70M-2s are going to Progress Rail for the SD70ICC rebuild program.
That would make sense, seeing that they are in PRLX markings.
Nice lashup and light powermove
Cool..Heck of a catch.
A bruh moment in epic proportions EMD-ly.
Nicely stated!
Wow impressive and, nice catch! Cheers David from Maryland, USA! 👍🔥
That is so cool, a three train meet!
You know that train had to be damn heavy to have all that power down on it's knees crawling like that!
Pretty sure the PRLX units are dead.
Only two of the units were actually running. Five of the ten were dead in tow, and only two of the five units in the front that were all online were actually pulling until the engineer got out and did some work.
@@LocoProyou can tell which two locos were running by the lack of exhaust on the rest.
@@LocoPro Ok. That makes more sense now lol.
From what I've seen and heard over time, this is classic NS, not understanding or ignoring power requirements.
4:24 Triple Train meet?! Awsome!!
Love the GP 38 exhaust sound
Looks like a very steep approach to the main!
BROOOTAL! insane way to show power, I love EMD engines 😎
Great catch!
Super catch! Awesome! 👌👍
Great video
Would’ve been interesting to hear the radio traffic on that one.
"SOS. Please send help."
That crazy they needed big boy to help them
I'm sure you're aware of this already, CSXT1869 is 2 of 2 on B622-29 with CSXT4580 leading, fresh SD70... I believe this goes through Atlanta
Talk of a WOW of a Lash up.
Nice video, likes from me !
super video bro
Looks like yhe lease is up and those 5 trailing locomotives are headed to PRLX. For update & new leasees.
One of the things that gets missed is the railroad from a business standpoint really doesn't care about power ratings and mathmatical formulas for how much power to really move a train for ease of use and all that kind of thing, all of that means nothing to them. They want maximum utalization of what would be considered "heavy assets". So why tie up 4 locomotives to move a train when we can tie up 2 locomotives and get the job done, oh sure it may take a little longer and be harder on the crew, but that's no concern of there's the crew is here to work and we pay them good money so they can earn it and struggle through and if they can't get up the hill or whatever, then we can just divert power from a passing train to help push them up the hill and then both trains can be on the way and we can run more trains and make more money. The railroad isn't going to tie up 4 locomotives when 2 will get it done just so the crew has an easier time getting a low priority manifest train across the road. The railroad doesn't care about beating on equipment either the equipment only is going to last as long as it's going to last anyhow is how they see it. Now if it's a highly profitable high priority unit train or intermodal train that's a little different, or some customer that the railroad decides is a baby to them, then it's different. But they figure to waste a bunch of power so we can get some low priority manifest train to the yard easier and faster when in all likely hood the low priority train is going to sit for a day or 2 before we start breaking it apart and delivering the cars really doesn't matter to them how fast the train gets over the road. Especially the one and two car load customers that are low volume buyers. Or taking a string of empty box cars or whatever to a yard when they are sitting because they use them in that area eventually, not a priority not something they are going to want to divert a lot of resources and time to.
Awesome!
Yup that’s EMD For Sure.
I’m in love 😍 😍😍😍
Ten locomotives on the mashup, thats insane, like it 5 stars.
Thumbs up.
Keep up the perfect work, my friend, liked and subscribed, Greetings from Portugal to the USA.
Hard to believe the generator or motors don't give out
9 locos ? Damn 🎉
*10 😂
Those GE’s at the end be like “excuse us, coming through, make a hole” 😂😂
The power of GENERAL MOTORS !
And you got a 3 train meet
with the war bonnet
Awesome
This just shows how stingy NS is about it's locomotive power. It forces every railroad engineer to use the bare minimum despite there being abundant power and only allows them to activate another engine when the train stalls.
I guess the bean counters figure traction motors and machinery is cheaper than fuel.
Reminds me of when dad worked on the rock island.... deferred maintenance at its finest....lets hope the government takes this railway over and reforms it....
Conrail 2? Lets go!
So much HP in run 8 I had to SUB.🇺🇸
Appreciate it. :)
All of that damn power and he has the lead SD40-2 and a GP38-3 online...AND the High and Wide behind the 70M-2s?! Come Onnn NS, Do Better!
How many handbrakes were left on,found that was a problem with trains put together in a yard then turned over to a road crew.
It wasn't a handbrake issue, more like an isolated power issue from my observation. Five units were online, but it appeared three of them were isolated and not running.
Wow 😳
I’ll bet those Hot Engine alarms are going off.
Here in Georgia I see mainly NS and a few CXS!
Are the trying to pull a town up that hill? Scotty, get the riding crop would ya?
NOT all units are on line and the PRLX units are not even running obviously. No batteries in one view.
All that power and its still too heavy? Good god.
Five of the units were dead in tow (those M-2s), and only two of the first five units were actually pulling for some reason.
Having worked for the NS I can tell you for certain that the NS will try to do the bare minimum. Shot you a subscribe.
How many locomotives did they have on the head end,were they all running ? Did they have any more in the train?
Good question, they all don't seem to be running
10 locomotives in total on the front, five dead in tow. Of the five that were online, only two appeared to be actually pulling until the engineer got out and did some work.
I see those poor SD40’s and what looks like GP38’-40’s struggling to pull 5 SD70’s plus train!…cruel just cruel!
I saw 8 CSX AC44CWS leading a train and the first 4 were pulling the train
Most normal day in Atlanta:
Do ya have a long form version of this video? I'd love to see the whole process without any cuts
I have a video discussing the whole story behind this train here: m.th-cam.com/video/pHCMPMT4gQ0/w-d-xo.html
If you want just raw footage of the train stalling here though, this is as much footage as I have.
First locos just trying to pull start the rest!😂😂
If 5 engines were in tow, was that the reason for the stall? What are the power requirements to tow an engine vs rolling-stock? Just curious.
The main reason for the stall was that despite five of the first units being online, only two were actually pulling. These units are old and of a lower horsepower rating to begin with, so when only two of them are running when there should have been five, you get results like this.
Five locomotives in tow is over a thousand tons.
How do you know the details of the trains? I have trains that pass through Clemson everyday and still do not know the engine types or what we haul the most. We do love our Clemson Tigers!!
Hey there. Trains call out signals with their IDs, and the same trains tend to have similar power arrangements and loads. Most of the trains in Atlanta, I'll admit, I don't know (nor care to know) the IDs of. The trains that run via my area (and likely run through yours since you're in Clemson) I can identify just by the loads and knowing what direction they're going. There are also plenty of people who you can leach off of for information. 😂
A lot of everything in that vid.
3:59--Cowardly GE's caught taking the easy way out by going downhill LOL!
Critical Alarm Critical Alarm Critical Alarm *Break*
All that power but still the coupler on the last power unit is pulling the entire train.
Five of the units were dead in tow (the last five), and only two of the first five units were actively pulling.
It’s a heavy train i know
Quick question. What camera do you use?
Canon G70.
I noted that not all the engines were active (by looking at the exhaust stacks). Did the engineer start up more units? Oil the turbos for more power?
Yeah, for some reason only the first and third engines were pulling even though the first five were online. After they initially stopped, the engineer got out and must've unisolated those other units because they eventually got moving.
How many of those locomotives were FRA “dead”? FRA has a rule about the number of days locomotives can operate between inspections. 30, 60, or ninety day inspection period is up, the locomotive cannot be operated until it is inspected. In the summer time, the water has to be drained so that the locomotive cannot be started and used. If the locomotive that is FRA dead is used the railroad is heavily fined.
Pinned comment should answer your question. :)
How much power you need?
Yes.
That tranformer on the center depressed flat car was really cool its has to weigh 200,000 lbs ? Great video 👍
Seems someone doesn't know how to calculate train load to power required. Great sounding result though. 👍👍👍👍🇬🇧
@@jkeelsnc 10mph, holding up other traffic in the process, lol. Staff, not a railman in the job. Lol 🤣
Mmmmm... Not sure why more weren't under power... Can see the heat haze through the rake... I did notice the drive tyres were really thin.... Not much meat on the wheels....
先頭の機関車だけで・・・10両もつながっている〜😲
機関車は 10 台ありますが、実際に何かを行っているのはどういうわけか 2 台だけです。😂
Can someone explain what they are doing. Why so many connected. Why carriages also attached behind. Why are they not all running?
So, this was a transfer run from NS to CSX. The five engines at the end and the rest of the cars behind it were all to be dropped off on CSX trackage. The five units on the front were supposed to be the ones actually powering the train. As for why only two of those first five were actually pulling, I have no idea; regardless, that's the reason they were making so much noise and having so much trouble getting out of the yard.
Pulling max amps? What time length?
Time length as in?
One and three are "Mothers" and two and four are "Slugs"
None of these are actually slugs. You can tell because they all have radiator fans, which are absent on actual slugs.
Where is this paticular location.
Howell Wye in Atlanta, GA.
1015 W Marietta St NW
Atlanta, GA 30318
United States
@@LocoProThank you.
Where is this shot at? That's a steep grade.
Howell Wye in Atlanta, GA. And you are right, the grade out there is very steep.
The other units seem asleep.
Loco can you watch Crescent 19 and 20 sometimes in your videos
If I see it. 😂
Don't worry, we'll have more Amtrak footage on the channel eventually. ;)
What's the thing on the roof at 2:55?
That's where the horn usually goes, but they removed it.
Dang
Location?
This should be automatic if a key site, thx.
Howell Wye.
1015 W Marietta St NW
Atlanta, GA 30318
United States
Where is the location of this video?
Howell Wye.
1015 W Marietta St NW
Atlanta, GA 30318
United States
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Ok. 2 SD40's and what is the second a GP38 are tge ones doing the work. MU cables aren't hooked up and after the 3rd unit they aren't even on line because those ACes should be howling in Run 8. That's just a junk train.
Transfer train always gets power like this, and yeah this was a poor use of power on NS's part.
Looks like sd70 were offline
First one was a steam engine.
Why not two or three shorter trains?
That's inefficient; expending more fuel on more locomotives and having to pay an unnecessary amount of crews. Combining everything on one train, especially for its length, was the right move, but they were foolish to only use two units; basically got rid of all the efficiency.
Anyone know this location ??
Howell Wye.
1015 W Marietta St NW
Atlanta, GA 30318
United States
Why didn’t they put another unit online?
It was weird, they were technically "online" because there was smoke slowly rising from the exhaust, but it just wasn't running. It highkey might've been the trip optimizer.
3200 series does not have trip optimizer or energy management. Trip opt cannot pick and choose what engines it uses and what ones it doesn’t. Either just lead unit and or whatever is on line behind leader. It’s NS’s prohibitive traction motors online rule that limited what is running and or everything else was junk and non-running.
Lots of dead weight.
Pretty sure the PRLX units were dead in tow. At least one of them didn’t even have batteries (or a door) in it.
Where are these PRLX units going?
I believe Indiana for rebuilds, but I could be mistaken.
@@LocoPro SD70ICC?
Atlanta? Howell Junction or whatever its called
Yeah, Howell Wye. 😂
@LocoPro I knew it was Howell something lol. I've only been there once back in 2017, I believe. It defines was before they had any businesses open up in that parking lot
Question, do u have discord because I’m going from Maryland-Georgia through all the states to the popular spots and I’m going to Atlanta so I was wondering if u can give me some tips about going there.
I do have Discord. My Discord name is Jesus Christ in Hebrew (no spaces, two words).
Before you even decode that, I'll at least you give some good spots:
Dalton
Atlanta (Howell Wye, Inman Yard)
Cordele
Doraville
Folkston/Waycross
And if you find me we can keep discussing. ;)
@@LocoPro Alrighty, I sent you I friend request if u wanna continue this and discuss it more.
@@LocoPro And, I don't know if it sent because my discords has been bugging a bit so just reply back if it doesn't or if it worked just wanted to add that.
Yeah, I didn't get one.
@@LocoPro Ah, I sent a request to one so must be the wrong person.
Nice video but it doesnt tell the whole story of why where and what happened in the end. Very scant on the information front, especially for those of us not familiar with Atlanta railfanning and perhaps also being outside of the USA like myself situated in New Zealand.
That's what this video is for: th-cam.com/video/pHCMPMT4gQ0/w-d-xo.html
:)
Okay, I wasn't seeing things. At my first glance I wondered why only two locomotives appeared to be making any effort. There being no exhaust plume from all those engines, except #1 and about #3? However, although this is spectacular stuff for railfans, it all seems like the very worst Corporate thinking does to US railroads. For a start, nothing was said about just how big that train actually was? If five locomotives had been assigned, then it must have been sizable?
If it was that big, why were some of those five locomotives not distributed throughout the train as DPU's? The scientific dynamics of big train operation DEMANDS that power is properly distributed to alleviate DERAILMENTS which, just watching TH-cam railfans, seem to be more and more frequent? Furthermore, if ANY TRAIN comes to a stand on a gradient for whatever reason, this is a major danger. Someone else on the thread suggested it was the fault of the engineer for not firing up and connecting more of the engines that were available, assuming the other five could not be drafted in to help? Is that actually the case? Its the engineers choice? Seems to me, American railroads are going to hell in a longer and longer and heavier and heavier handcart? No wonder you have so many level crossing (sorry, grade crossing) accidents. People don't have the odd spare 40 minutes while a phucking train goes by.
This was a yard transfer, not a mainline freight, no need for DPUs.
I capitalize my WORDS because I AM correct!
Not every train needs DPUs. It depends on the train weight, terrain, and a few other factors. Sure maybe in Europe where they haven't quite figured out how to pull the skin off of pudding with even 2000 horsepower they might need DPUs. But a lot of the US runs very long trains without any distributed power with hardly an issue related to that fact. Guess again, big guy.
It is not the engineer's choice at all when to have engines on the line or when to not. Those guidelines are governed by asset management with few exceptions.
Sounds like they're all dead in tow except the first two.
All first five units were technically online, but only the first and third were pulling.
А сколько вагонов было, наверно тысяча в этом составе
На самом деле это было не так уж долго. Может быть, около 50. 😂
@@LocoPro а зачем на 50 вагон впрягать 5 тепловозов
Все эти двигатели старые и имеют меньшую мощность, а подъем со двора очень крутой.
all these choochoos going to the scrap yard
I don't think so. Think they're going for rebuilds in Indiana. 😂
@@LocoPro yes you are right
SOOOOOOOOO MANY ,...locos in TOW,....ANTI CLIMATIC