I’d love if there was a small tall tale/adventure story arch where the Reaper’s/AF teamed up temporarily to fight a bigger threat like the Dark Brethren or GMU
Without flame heart senior reaper's Bones could be reconciled with Athena. And the dark brethren could possibly be brought two sea reason. Especially teamed up against the grand maritime Union which all three factions don't like
Maybe that could be a world event? There’s a really open area of water in the southwestern part of the ancient isles, in my eyes that’s a perfect spot to put a “GMU invasion” event since they’d have to come from the shroud
I feel they’d have to remove Flameheart. Or the Servant, or both. Then replace one of them with someone like Duke. As he is a moderate and has played both sides.
@@PepicWalrusand when people don't place all their faith in corporate monopolies, treating them like a religion and waging a holy war like the dark ages.
...that's because in the sea of thieves, they actually CAN print money with no consequences like they pretend they can in the real world. Inflation is the expansion of the money supply. (Printing money) The prices going up is just the garonteed result of doing so excessively.
I'd say the fact that all these factions exist and your free to choose whichever you like is freedom in the truest sense so just by existing they're all living their version of a pirates life
I think it could be argued that a fourth side exists with the GMU. While they're obviously not very present in the game, I think a lot of the player base would side with them if they were ever fully introduced, being driven by profit. This would stand in direct opposition to Rameses moto of "its not about the gold, but about the glory." They wouldn't be "evil" in the sense that flameheart is, but would have a major impact on the pirates life nonetheless.
Those siding with the GMU might be the PvE players 😂 lmao "Institutions for a safer sea"... Pfff calling themselves Pirates I mean, no faction is evil by their own standards. Every faction have their own view on how the Seas have to be perceived.
I think less people than you think would actually side with them. A couple of mom and pop shops to keep the town supplied are one thing. Walmart taking over the entire areas completely different
GMU they have committed deeds such as ruined people's livelihoods and business if developers at them introduce them as not only as new factions but a new style world event there will come through the double shroud it's been weekend and start the allow them to come through the sea of Thieves.
I really hope that they add voyages or world events where you can fight against the trading companies, especially with them putting advocating picking a side
I support all of them, because all of their goals are unachievable, you can't simply make a way of life to stop existing and get everyone to join or fight for you cause, there must be a balance between all the aspects that those factions fight for, as long as they keep in the way of each other none of them will truly be able to achieve their goals therefore naturally stablishing balance
Okay I am halfway this video but there are several points you have wrong. It's more gameplay wise then lore wise you have to reach rank 50 with 3 companies to become pirate legend. In the athena's fortune novel, Larinna herself was offerd to become PL after her first voyage, but she turned it down. And even that voyage itself the crew she joined betrayed the order of souls. Secondly the ferryman does not belong to any side, he himself judges who can gain acces to his portal or not. In the same novel, Captain Quench (I think that's his name) had made a great reputation with the order of soul's and was send after Larianna. But when he arrived on the ferry he insulted the ferryman, what gave him a life sentance on the ferry. Not to mention he even locked up Jack Sparrow himself, someone we asume to be a 'good' pirate. Or at least on the good side of piracy. Edit: Thanks for the heart! Stil a great video though, did like it. Also if it was lore wise that you have to build a reputation with the companies to become PL, why do the reapers also count with that?
Flameheart would call himself king - and to my pirate, no free person kneels to a king. To be prosperous and be free means there needs to be some semblence of order, even if it's just a loose set of guidelines known as "The Code" - and an avatar of destruction such as Flameheart can't bring that. Not saying Ramsey is right of course, but he aligns closer to my mindset.
It's like he said in the video, Flameheart's views are paradoxical. He wants there to be no rules, but in order to enforce that, he appoints himself as the "Ruler". Ironically the only way his version of the Sea of Thieves comes into existence is if his own disciples overthrow him, which would be the purest form of his ideology.
@@Corzappy Oooh, maybe he wants his disciples to overthrow him because that means they align with his views! Or Not, he is not characterized like that at all.
I used to be fully Athena's Fortune, but I've come to appreciate both Athena and Reapers. I still tend to lean towards Athena, because I tend to morally side with them more, but I fully support the Reapers view on Trading Companies. I also appreciate that they're the only ones who have avoided the Sovereigns' influence, whom I distrust IMMENSELY, and Athena's complacency in letting them worm their way in is concerning. Honestly, while it's probably too late at this point, (especially after the loss of Pendragon), I feel like Athena's Fortune and the Reaper's Bones coming together to make some sort of agreement/compromise would be the best case scenario. They both want some form of freedom on the seas, and they now have a common enemy, so if Flameheart and Ramsey could find some balance between their ideals, I think it would be a fantastic era. "Athena's Heart." Could you imagine?
I'll continue to support Ramses for the time being. Out of all the hypocrisy of both factions, I find the desire for Flameheart to be called "King", the most egregious. A King is an autocrat, the only word and law, and pirates don't serve a King.
@@danielrana6452 The difference between Flameheart and Ramsey is that Ramsey unwilling to directly intervene in the affairs of the Sea of Thieves. People can fight, steal, and adventure as much as they want, and as long as they don't threaten the overall sanctity of the Sea of Thieves, he is willing to allow you to do as you please. Hell, he tolerated the Reaper's Bones, and they were anything but subtle with their base. Flameheart, on the other hand, does not tolerate defiance in any form, and mercilessly crushes any who even slightly disagrees with him.
@@thehighwayman3122 He also just kills whomever he deems as weak. Deciding who lives and who dies by your authority, and yours alone? That's not freedom at all; that's tyranny.
But Ramsey committed the sin of being an incredibly cringe Disney pirate. He's a basically a politician, and what he stands for doesn't even make much sense. Flameheart is just a megalomaniac but he stands for true piracy, not a theme-park sea. Ultimately, a real pirate wouldn't have to side with any faction, they would just fend for themselves and do their own thing
When I usually play I'm a bit of both Athena and Reaper. The more free way of tides from Athena is what I enjoy most but don't care for their alignment. The goals of the Reapers aren't my thing but their faction aesthetics do grab me. In the end though if I were to choose I'd probably be a more submissive Reaper in a sense: Still willing to attack and protect my treasure, but not actively on the hunt, and more interested in endeavors like achievement hunting, getting chests, tall tales and fishing.
Honestly, Athena's is the best "type" of freedom that the options offer. Flameheart's freedom can be seen as "true" freedom, but the problem with true freedom is that eventually it results in only a few ending up with any freedom at all. This is because whoever has the traits/abilities that the system appreciates the most, strength, in the case of the reapers, ends up being able to control others through the endless freedom they have been offered, ironically taking away the freedom of others.
That's exactly why Flameheart's "freedom" is paradoxical. He wants there to be no rules, but not having rules is a rule in and of itself, and he appoints himself to enforce that rule with an iron fist. Really his ideology only works if the reapers kill him and anyone else who attempts to "Rule" the Sea of Thieves, but that only happens if he first takes power over the Sea of Thieves, and establishes his views as the only view.
I agree, that Athena's way of running things is the only viable option. It's a common and realistic way a wild territory is getting colonized. Ramsey came in as a wild pirate, settled down, brought more people, kickstarted a civilization here and established trade routes with the outside world. He is basically a founder of a newborn country. It is the most non-violent and logical way to do things. And the most boring one. I am not even talking about how well 17th century people deal with locals in wild foreign lands, especially if locals don't look like them.
Sure, the Pirate Lord had to make some compromises, but he also saw that Flameheart's version was untenable in the end because there'd be no freedom for anyone but Flamheart if Flameheart had his way. It's for that reason that Ramsey had to compromise while putting checks and balances in place.
The pirate life is about freedom, greed, adventure, self interest and independence which is what the new world represented during the 1400s-1800s. The true way would be to look after yourself and act in ways that benefit yourself whether that’s making deals and pacts or destroying and stealing, every situation is different. Also strike down anyone who would claim to be king, so the best option would be to do away with all the authoritarian factions entirely. Perhaps a merchant rebellion is in order allied with those who support a truly independent sea of thieves. But only as long as the merchants agree to keep their outside world politics and rule away from the sea and only have a presence for trade and commerce. Maybe even the sirens would join the cause for independence. And imagine if there were some way to control the sea life to help as well. An epic tale that’d be.
Great video mate, I’ll be stuck with my unwavering support for Reapers. Further down the line do you think it maybe possible we may see Reapers and Athena Fortune side together against the Dark Brethren?
@@AShinyRay Oh yeah I meant MUCH further down the line, think it could make a good plot twist. Obviously the GMU are upto something and are yet to show their true colours too. Lots of potential ahead!
For now I'll keep to Ramsey. While he definitely has his flaws, the other options are just worse. The end of Piracy basically means an end to the SoT so Breathen can go shove off. Flameheart's calling is enticing, as his call is for the 'true' pirate way, but in his transformation he has twisted, and his call is nothing but a Siren's welcome now. To be honest, I have started to separate Flameheart from the Reapers. To me at least, they are two separate factions and should be treated as such. Follow me or die mentality and proclaiming himself as king is anything but pirate, and fly's in the face of what the Reapers want. But why Ramsey? Let me explain. Let's say for a moment that the guilds were not there. That we just up and poof away Athena, Gold Hoarders, Merchants, Order of Souls and so on. Okay, what is left? After all if Reapers get there way there is no need for a Reaper faction. So now there is no one to pay gold, the keys to the chests are gone, skulls become paper weights, no one to buy your fish and there is now no goods in the SoT. It is basically a rotation of whatever is floating around. Congrats you have a chest! That you can't open. A skull that no one wants and you just whispers at you, and a pig that just eats your food. Not to mention with the lack of goods flowing into the SoT we now have no cannonballs, no sails, no iron to make weapons, no one to make your drinks or make new clothes. Basically, without the deal Ramsey set up, this is just a wild place where you'll eventually run out of stuff, can't even fight without weapons and cannonballs. Oh but the Reapers will just take over all those services. So nothing changes then? Instead of multiple guilds keeping each other in check you want ONE guild with all the power? That means they control you, so how is that any different from Flameheart? I honestly think the Reapers have a place in the current deal, to keep the pirate life alive and as a check to the balances. They have their spot, they just need out of Flameheart's influence.
The thing about the reapers is that their goals don't make a ton of sense.. like, think about it. Flameheart becomes king and kicks all the trading companies out of the sea of thieves. where do you sell your loot now? you're not opening those chests without a skeleton key and crates or skulls aren't really valuable to the average pirate so either a ton of pirates just cannot get any loot or they'll have to end up selling to someone with a skeleton key the same way they do now. and it's not like there are a lot of rules to be followed in the sea of thieves at the moment either, you don't need to be a reaper to sink people for their loot (or even just for the fun of it) what difference would overthrowing the pirate lord make?
If I’m being honest, Athena’s fortune calls to me. Don’t get me wrong, Ramsey definitely could’ve done things better. But you can be a pirate and a good man. Plus, I’ve been screwed over by reapers way too many times. And no way in hell am I taking orders from a giant floating bobble head who needs to work on his insults.
@@AShinyRay following what we know about Lost sands you're probably going to get flame hearts pinky toe in the first update and they'll work their way up to the rest of him
i only love the pirate lord, with flameheart or the companies will ever be under someone, only that with the companies lower of rank than the athenas fortune, the pirates can make their own path, through the legend that awaits them and their voyages. is't a sea open and larger for anyone who wants to grow their own name, we live in a world with different people and different ideology but will be ever exist a conflint between pirates. if we didn't live in an alliance we can't live freely or in peace.
Im standing with Reapers Bones, but i have my own ideals. I would love eternal life full of adventure and fighting, because it seems way too fun to me, but i dont want to serve Flamehart and have only battles and servitude for all eternity. I would prefer to kill him at some point, steal his power and do what i want.
both Athena and Reapers are needed to keep the Sea of Thieves stable while keeping the spirit of the intent in tact. much like how Rare seems to want players to act, having a balance of both is needed for an optimal experience. that being said i personally will always be billigerently against The Grand Maritime Union. the microcosm of trade Athena provides keeps the supplies in the Sea of Thieves flowing. but as soon as you become connected to another trading market, you start to become a state. tactically speaking, i think the Reapers targeted Golden Sands Outpost was because it seems semi-cannonical new ships come in from the west. so having a fortress where new ships come in would be a really good way to keep the Sea of Thieves isolated from other trading markets. but now with the border pushed away we may see another targeted attack against either Dagger Tooth or Plunder to try to re-establish a border.
I'm always gonna support the Pirate Lord. To constantly kill and steal and consume until nothing is left is a drain on one's very spirit, and skeletons are doomed to a cold life without food, sleep or comfort. Granted, I don't really agree with all of Ramsey's decisions, such as him tolerating Rathbone's betrayal and allowing the Gold Hoarders to exist, but I believe his aims to be good, and the other trading companies perfectly noble. The Order seeks to free stranded, skelly cursed souls and learn their secrets, and without the merchants, there would be shortages everywhere. Trade simply must happen, and as long as the merchants retain their pirate allegiance, it'll all work out.
Well I think if he would stop the Gold Hoarders he would seem like a tyranny. So that's why he probably doesn't. Also aside from the GH himself (rathbone) they are harmless. Also he didn't tolerate rathbone's betrayal, he did set up a trap to lure him back to the SoT, what worked and they blew up his ship sending him to the bottom of the sea, but then his greed and cursed gold changed him. The last time he confronted Rathbone was simply to talk since he was going to retire.
@@jackbullandothers3322 That trap was to "save him" though. They didn't just go there and explode Rathbone's ship. They offered him a chance to leave behind his obsession, his greed and save himself. He doomed himself by choosing greed, instead of freeing himself.
I'd love to see a story arc where the GMU sneaks a double agent into the Sea of Thieves and has them replace someone from a trading company, and then they start slowly bringing more GMU agents into the other companies until it reaches some sort of climax where the double agents open the shroud for the GMU and their fleets invade and start sinking everybody. Maybe forcing Flameheart and the Pirate lord into a shaky alliance to preserve the Sea of Thieves, there's probably a lot of character development for the Pirate Lord and Flameheart in there too somewhere. There's plenty of cool story arcs you could do with that but it's just the gist of it.
The reapers and Athenas need to coexist. If there are no reapers, skeletons will be killed up to extinction, meaning world events are no longer. Along with that, the entire sea would be an alliance, meaning all there is to do is work for the trading companies, remaking the world outside of the sea of thieves. However, if there are no Athenas, the sea would be a giant war ground until there's no treasure left to fight over. In both instances, the sea of thieves will be just a mere husk of its former glory.
You also forget that Duke himself (when he was still a skeleton) said that flameheart wishes nothing more then to burn the sea of thieves to the ground. He doesn't want to liberate it, he just wants destruction.
My friend and i are reapers and we like to think of Flameheart as Jabba the Hutt from star wars and we work for him like Boba Fett does. We don’t serve him or call him lord we just work for him and he pays. I’d have no problem going to the next highest paying customer. The Whale Lord is the true king of the seas🤘🏻🤣
Both, you can only be a true pirate with the two ideologies clashing, pirates reap reward only when 2 equal forces clash , if one overwhelms then theres no longer a place for the pirates life to thrive
To the people that say "it's Sea of Theives not Sea of Friends" many Theives and Pirates have banded together to make profitable organizations, making betrayal tempting and often rewarding
The most bizarre thing about Sea Of Thieves politics is that even though every faction has benefits and flaws, it is still extremely black and white. Mike Chapman describes the hourglass system as "choosing between good and evil". Athena's Fortune is always presented as heroic, noble and good while Flameheart is always presented as entitled, manipulative and selfish. Even with all the complicated and conflicting motives in this video, at the end of the day, it is still just presented as good VS evil. And that is bizarre.
The story and politics of sea of thieves would be fine if they didn't make us pick sides. The story is so one-sided it isn't even fun. They give us a choice to side with the reapers but not a reason. The athenas fortune is full of characters that you are supposed to care about and you have good reasons to side with them but the reapers are just the other side you can pick. Picking reapers is just to see what would happen when the bad guys win. The story feels like it was written before these community choices were a thing and hasn't evolved since. I hope the story changes, the reapers have potential to be very interesting characters and I would hate to see them just be comically bad guys with no redeeming qualities.
@@wellhellothere6470 I honestly think that reapers being your typical cartoonish villians isn't a bad thing. Choosing to side with the villains purely because they are comically bad is not a horrible concept. Kind of neat, actually. I just find it bizarre considering the story has way more potential than just "good VS evil".
@@Thorumsu Aye, the story has way more potential but honestly the Reapers being just "LET THE FLAME BURN, CONQUER THE SEAS!" evil is fun. Let the intrigue go between Athena's Fortune, Dark Brethren, and GMU, and have our skelly-boys be the fun chaotic bad guys that are bad because good is dumb.
Great video on the background of the big 3 factions! Kinda weird how Reapers can claim freedom with their leader and pvp faction having the title "Servant" Guess Flameheart and his Reaper's are illiterate?
Servant is not in the slave sense but more so showing the devotion to the Flame. The Flame is meant to symbolise freedom and power, but Flames can burn themselves out if they consume too much.
Because the sea of thieves thrives off of conflict and war, it may be best neither faction is eliminated. If Athena's Fortune were eliminated, the Reaper's Bones would kill off the remaining sources of their plunder, they would run the economy dry and the Sea of Thieves would die. Meanwhile, if the Reaper's Bones were to be eliminated, the Sea of Thieves and the frontier it holds would be threatened by the trading companies' control. The Sea of Thieves would die off as it's spirit would be forever lost.
I'm team Athena because it's my choice not because I was forced to or blackmailed into it. If I choose not to support Athena, I'm not blacklisted. I'm not kicked out. I'm not seen as an enemy. I'm not hunted down and destroyed
@@infinitypeaches3329 as contradictory as it is, there is a point, they are indeed only wishing to destroy piracy as it exists because they feel betrayed by the very concept of piracy.
Brilliant video, I haven't seen something like this done before despite the motives for each side really needing an explanation! Although I'll still remain neutral, and just blow up everyone I see. It's a much more fun way to pirate.
I stick with the Ferryman closest faction as long as it won't keep me from sailing freely. If this promise of avoiding death wasn't on the table, i guess i'd go with whatever deals the Order of Souls would make. As you see my allegiances are more personnal than ideological in this game^^. Would love to work with the Warsmith tho, stopping her from making cursed balls for us, what a shame :(
In essence, the Pirate Lord sacrifices for the greater good of the Sea of Thieves, Flameheart seeks to rule it how he wishes (The King of Freedom? More like the King of Oxymorons.), and the Dark Brethren wish to wipe the slate clean.
I don’t think the reapers want “free seas” but just to have everyone to be under his command for he is will be willing to throw anyone to the side once they are no longer useful such as Wanda. For many of the reaper’s titles are focused on being a servant.
I think that sea of thieves that what sea of thieves needs is reapers bones general idea in athena ways, long story short: no trading companies, and not being the bad guys
While reaper GAMEPLAY is true piracy, reaper POLITICS are not. Flameheart literally wants to control the seas under his dominion. Under him, any pirate would become his minion that is forced to move at his command. Free men would cease to exist as there would only be reapers and the rest of the world waging war, as anyone not confirming to either side would be annihilated or forced to work as a slave. I am not in favor of any faction reaching full supremacy, but I despise Flameheart the most because he is the only one that, lorewise, actually wants supremacy, while the Piratelord, who I don't like as a person, at least doesn't want to inhibit out freedoms. I guess there's the huge trade empire thingy in the lore too, always forget their name, that want real supremacy, but since they aren't that active in the game yet, they aren't on my agenda. Overall, I love reaper gameplay, but I hate them from a lore standpoint. And anyone that supports Flameheart in community events is helping them take away our freedoms. Lore aside though, obviously Flameheart will never gain proper control, as this is a sandbox video game. So choose who you want, just don't try to explain to me that Flameheart is the real pirate, when he's factually more like an empire dictator that wants to rule and conquer. He's not a man that loves freedom at all, he loves power.
That's why the true Chaotic Neutral standpoint is to join Flameheart with the intent to backstab and dethrone him, so that nobody can rule over the Sea of Thieves.
@@Corzappy Looool, funny how you say that because me any my two buddies that play this game, me being the captain in our crew, regularly joke that we need to kill Flameheart AND the Pirate Lord so I can just take over xD So yes, you are correct my friend, down with the leaders.
i like flameheart cause after every teasure sold to him {or his faction} he throws a money bag at us not even counting how much more he had given us how do you think every reaper is so rich
The way I look at it, I am a Athena’s fortune but I also like the reapers. I understand what they stand for and it is not that bad. I don’t like flameheart as a person though and think the reapers would be a better faction without him. (I love the whole concept of flameheart and design I am just saying ethics wise) I believe the true enemy is the grand maritime union, and reapers and Athena’s must alliance at some point in the future to repel the grand maritime union from invading the sea of thieves
I like the true piracy aspect but I don’t side with the reapers on wanting to destroy all of the factions because I like the political aspect where companies pay pirates to do something and they get a share, your point on the reapers not wanting them to work with the companies because that’s not what pirates do is also true, so it’s a very interesting question
I would love to see the gmu introduced as a playable faction. Order in Place of chaos. the righteous armada of the gmu against the lawlessnes of thieves
Yeah but that's super lame because it's called the Sea of Thieves not the Sea of Law Abiding Citizens. Realistically everybody who isn't a completely self-serving alliance soyboy should be 100% against the GMU, they have only bad intentions for pirates.
I got perma banned for named my galleon “Jim’s crowsnest”. They said I violated pirate code and ship name was vulgar. The pirate code speaks nothing of said actions. In addition the ship naming has a filter and “jim” nor “crowsnest” is vulgar.
While I'm a Pirate Legend and generally support Athena's Fortune/Guardians of Fortune over Reapers Bones... maybe... Bilge Rats, woot-woot! Go on spontaneous adventures! Maybe fight a kraken and loot a shipwreck! Be surprisingly friendly to a crew! Do some voyages! Do a Tall Tale! Reverse pick-pocket someone! Sink some ships and maybe invade or defend try for a long streak in some high-stakes PvPvE! Make an organic server-wide alliance and complete the final Glitterbeard commendation! Sneak onto someone's ship and play "The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything" over your speaking trumpet! Bilge Rats are what you make of it!
Its sad that PvE reapers get a bad rep. Especially since the best fort for them is in the dead center of the map, and easily completed in under 10 minutes, AND meanwhile, you can get jumped by another crew. I'm also a Reaper but on the verge of siding with the Brethren. Mainly because I make alliances despite being a Reaper fan. But also because if Flameheart ends up betraying his son- I'd lose all respect I have for him.
The differences, despite some similarities, comes at the notion that both Companies have entirely SPLIT the concept of Piracy... with only one radically straying far from it. Piracy has been applied to those who were either Pioneers or even Trading Companies that were on the wrong end of the Law... but the Pioneers are more important, since they have always been the very essence of adventure, glory and freedom... the very same type of person that the Pirate Lord was. It perfectly falls into the mold in which the Athena's Fortune advocate for... and I assume the problem comes in at the assumption that the Trading Companies have pretty much influenced the old world's rat races over unto Sea of Thieves. However, remember that these Trading Companies are being POLICED by the Athena's Fortune should they step out of line. Also, assuming the problem being Ramsay's character of being full of himself... that shouldn't be a major factor. Character is a stupid way of seeing things. So, think of it this way... if the Trading Companies remain in the Sea of Thieves, whilst Pirates have the means to loot and plunder their vessels... it brings a sense of balance. Like a farm of some sorts.... Reap what you sow. So the Athena's Fortune may know a thing or two. As for the Reaper's Bones, THEY would be the ones to completely break away from the concept of Piracy in favor of some "might makes right" ideals. They could easily be described as a Roman/Mongol Horde-esque "civilization" of Gladiators (or Gypsies) clashing and blowing each other out of the water... effectively creating an even bigger problem, which is self-destruction. Should they ever allow Flameheart to return, he'll see to it that we lose the rite or will to do as we please... and he KNOWS it. Because Flameheart, before even adopting the Servant of the Flame, had abandoned the concept of Piracy for the thrill of battle. He lost interest, and will see to it that his new interests are thrown in to ruin the Sea of Thieves. Now it isn't to say "might makes right" is necessarily bad for Pirates... Pirates in history have always gotten around by being the toughest nails. However, to completely single this concept out with Piracy is where things will keel over. So there's my thesis.
I'm in full support of Athena's Fortune, and the Pirate Lord. The reason why I don't support the Reapers bones is mostly because I have bad experience with the Reapers and would constantly find Toxic Reapers. I try to find equal ground with each faction and will engage in PvP, I find the Pirate Lord to be a good soul despite his past. In conclusion I support Athena's Fortune
I sail for neither, I sail to meet other pirates and be it in grog and song or a battle with me or them sunk, tis is still a sea worth sailing, I aim to bring more glitter into the sea.
If one's really in the Reapers because they want a survival of the fittest free for all, then they shouldn't be hiding behind a conglomerate of mask-wearing edgelords. They should be making a unique name for themselves like Flameheart and Ramsey did. The seas are already free as they are. There's no man-o'-wars protecting treasure fleets from the greedy grasp of singular pirates, and alliances are all self serving whether under reaper banners or trading company aligned pirates. The only reasons to stick with Flameheart's Reapers are (a) to have an excuse for slaughter, (b) because one likes the stifling air of a totalitarian monarchy, or (c) since its the best shot at decking Ramsey in the shnozz for some impersonal slight or because he's very blatantly ignored the encroaching Grand Maritime Union through the Emporium and Sovereigns (very fair). To whine its because one wants to 'protect the freedom of the seas' however is just to choke on Flameheart propaganda that puts those types on the front lines to secure an even harsher rule than Pirate Derp Ramsey's. The Dark Brethren are the closest thing to fighting for what the Reapers claim to represent, except they're a bunch of jaded puppeteers who don't care about pirates so much as just making Ramsey and Flameheart stuff it. Honestly pirates have it good right now even with the trading companies, especially for reapers taking their loot without much resistance. Its when the GMU comes in full force that trading companies will truly be a problem.
@@Corzappy Sounds about as easy as siding with Ramsey with the eventual goal of banishing him. Then we're right back to Dark Brethren strats and their masks aren't as fancy. x3
I support to athena's fortune I want these waters to be free from a war tyrant captain flameheart he just obsessive killing and flame of war and battle and the other two evil frets the dark brethren and the grand time Union.
I side with Reapers for a number of Reasons. To be perfectly honest I almost lean more into the Dark Brethren, however seeing the end of the pirates life is not on my list of things I want to do. I was burned by the idealisms of a pirates life that allowed for friends and alliances to be made after many many betrayals across my time playing. Now I seek vengeance, plundering anyone I see regardless of how friendly they claim to be. True piracy is the only real way for me now, I will take and steal as I please. Flameheart’s “Only rule is no rules” may be flawed in it’s attempt to sell freedom for the cost of your freedom, however it doesn’t work perfectly for Flameheart either. There’s no rule that says I can’t destroy him too eventually, after all…
If the Pirate Lord is responsible for allowing the soviergns and pirate emporium into the Sea of Thieves, both of whom are GMU moles, then I'm with Flameheart 100%. I'm sure he'd have a good laugh over the irony of being killed by his own disciples due to his tyrannical enforcement of "No Rules"
@@Corzappy he is responsible for allowing both of them into the sot, since a true pirate would have eradicated them upon seeing their clean clothes instantly and ramsey doesn't give a shit
So far I have always supported Reapers and I doubt that will change in the future. The Pirate Lord tried to turn the Sea of Thieves into some server alliance - that cannot be the true pirates life. I'm here to plunder and sink you - and sure some time to come together without being at each others throats can be had, but not under some trading company.
The pirate lord is becoming what he once sought to destroy, letting the trading companies run their business in these sacred waters we call home. He has become a trading company himself, sitting atop his wealth like a king while we shower him with glory as a “lord”. He is not my lord, I will not bow down to any trading company. True pirates aren’t servants, true freedom isn’t controlled by companies. Kindest regards, - Captain Rose
I’d love if there was a small tall tale/adventure story arch where the Reaper’s/AF teamed up temporarily to fight a bigger threat like the Dark Brethren or GMU
Without flame heart senior reaper's Bones could be reconciled with Athena.
And the dark brethren could possibly be brought two sea reason.
Especially teamed up against the grand maritime Union which all three factions don't like
Maybe that could be a world event? There’s a really open area of water in the southwestern part of the ancient isles, in my eyes that’s a perfect spot to put a “GMU invasion” event since they’d have to come from the shroud
I feel they’d have to remove Flameheart. Or the Servant, or both. Then replace one of them with someone like Duke. As he is a moderate and has played both sides.
I will say this, the politics of the Sea of Thieves is WAY easier to live with than real world ones.
Yes. It's very straightforward
Life's a lot easier when death isn't much of a concern.
@@PepicWalrusand when people don't place all their faith in corporate monopolies, treating them like a religion and waging a holy war like the dark ages.
...that's because in the sea of thieves, they actually CAN print money with no consequences like they pretend they can in the real world.
Inflation is the expansion of the money supply. (Printing money)
The prices going up is just the garonteed result of doing so excessively.
@@Pestilencemage That's a gross simplification of how inflation works, but eh.
There's also the Ancients, who wish to expel the pirates from the Sea of Thieves and reclaim their ancestral home.
I'd say the fact that all these factions exist and your free to choose whichever you like is freedom in the truest sense so just by existing they're all living their version of a pirates life
I think it could be argued that a fourth side exists with the GMU. While they're obviously not very present in the game, I think a lot of the player base would side with them if they were ever fully introduced, being driven by profit. This would stand in direct opposition to Rameses moto of "its not about the gold, but about the glory." They wouldn't be "evil" in the sense that flameheart is, but would have a major impact on the pirates life nonetheless.
I like that idea. Plus, they could figure out a way to use the sovereigns as a jumping off point.
I was going to include them bits thought they're a bit straightforward?
Those siding with the GMU might be the PvE players 😂 lmao
"Institutions for a safer sea"...
Pfff calling themselves Pirates
I mean, no faction is evil by their own standards. Every faction have their own view on how the Seas have to be perceived.
I think less people than you think would actually side with them.
A couple of mom and pop shops to keep the town supplied are one thing. Walmart taking over the entire areas completely different
GMU they have committed deeds such as ruined people's livelihoods and business if developers at them introduce them as not only as new factions but a new style world event there will come through the double shroud it's been weekend and start the allow them to come through the sea of Thieves.
I really hope that they add voyages or world events where you can fight against the trading companies, especially with them putting advocating picking a side
I support all of them, because all of their goals are unachievable, you can't simply make a way of life to stop existing and get everyone to join or fight for you cause, there must be a balance between all the aspects that those factions fight for, as long as they keep in the way of each other none of them will truly be able to achieve their goals therefore naturally stablishing balance
Okay I am halfway this video but there are several points you have wrong. It's more gameplay wise then lore wise you have to reach rank 50 with 3 companies to become pirate legend. In the athena's fortune novel, Larinna herself was offerd to become PL after her first voyage, but she turned it down. And even that voyage itself the crew she joined betrayed the order of souls.
Secondly the ferryman does not belong to any side, he himself judges who can gain acces to his portal or not. In the same novel, Captain Quench (I think that's his name) had made a great reputation with the order of soul's and was send after Larianna. But when he arrived on the ferry he insulted the ferryman, what gave him a life sentance on the ferry.
Not to mention he even locked up Jack Sparrow himself, someone we asume to be a 'good' pirate. Or at least on the good side of piracy.
Edit: Thanks for the heart! Stil a great video though, did like it.
Also if it was lore wise that you have to build a reputation with the companies to become PL, why do the reapers also count with that?
Flameheart would call himself king - and to my pirate, no free person kneels to a king. To be prosperous and be free means there needs to be some semblence of order, even if it's just a loose set of guidelines known as "The Code" - and an avatar of destruction such as Flameheart can't bring that. Not saying Ramsey is right of course, but he aligns closer to my mindset.
Exactly, It’s the better of two evils
It's like he said in the video, Flameheart's views are paradoxical.
He wants there to be no rules, but in order to enforce that, he appoints himself as the "Ruler". Ironically the only way his version of the Sea of Thieves comes into existence is if his own disciples overthrow him, which would be the purest form of his ideology.
@@Corzappy Oooh, maybe he wants his disciples to overthrow him because that means they align with his views! Or Not, he is not characterized like that at all.
As a more privateer kinda pirate I like athenas fortune
I used to be fully Athena's Fortune, but I've come to appreciate both Athena and Reapers. I still tend to lean towards Athena, because I tend to morally side with them more, but I fully support the Reapers view on Trading Companies. I also appreciate that they're the only ones who have avoided the Sovereigns' influence, whom I distrust IMMENSELY, and Athena's complacency in letting them worm their way in is concerning.
Honestly, while it's probably too late at this point, (especially after the loss of Pendragon), I feel like Athena's Fortune and the Reaper's Bones coming together to make some sort of agreement/compromise would be the best case scenario. They both want some form of freedom on the seas, and they now have a common enemy, so if Flameheart and Ramsey could find some balance between their ideals, I think it would be a fantastic era. "Athena's Heart." Could you imagine?
I'll continue to support Ramses for the time being. Out of all the hypocrisy of both factions, I find the desire for Flameheart to be called "King", the most egregious. A King is an autocrat, the only word and law, and pirates don't serve a King.
ramses?
So u don't want to serve a king so you went to The Pirate lord
@@danielrana6452 The difference between Flameheart and Ramsey is that Ramsey unwilling to directly intervene in the affairs of the Sea of Thieves. People can fight, steal, and adventure as much as they want, and as long as they don't threaten the overall sanctity of the Sea of Thieves, he is willing to allow you to do as you please. Hell, he tolerated the Reaper's Bones, and they were anything but subtle with their base. Flameheart, on the other hand, does not tolerate defiance in any form, and mercilessly crushes any who even slightly disagrees with him.
@@thehighwayman3122 He also just kills whomever he deems as weak. Deciding who lives and who dies by your authority, and yours alone? That's not freedom at all; that's tyranny.
But Ramsey committed the sin of being an incredibly cringe Disney pirate. He's a basically a politician, and what he stands for doesn't even make much sense.
Flameheart is just a megalomaniac but he stands for true piracy, not a theme-park sea. Ultimately, a real pirate wouldn't have to side with any faction, they would just fend for themselves and do their own thing
When I usually play I'm a bit of both Athena and Reaper. The more free way of tides from Athena is what I enjoy most but don't care for their alignment. The goals of the Reapers aren't my thing but their faction aesthetics do grab me. In the end though if I were to choose I'd probably be a more submissive Reaper in a sense: Still willing to attack and protect my treasure, but not actively on the hunt, and more interested in endeavors like achievement hunting, getting chests, tall tales and fishing.
Honestly, Athena's is the best "type" of freedom that the options offer. Flameheart's freedom can be seen as "true" freedom, but the problem with true freedom is that eventually it results in only a few ending up with any freedom at all. This is because whoever has the traits/abilities that the system appreciates the most, strength, in the case of the reapers, ends up being able to control others through the endless freedom they have been offered, ironically taking away the freedom of others.
That's exactly why Flameheart's "freedom" is paradoxical.
He wants there to be no rules, but not having rules is a rule in and of itself, and he appoints himself to enforce that rule with an iron fist. Really his ideology only works if the reapers kill him and anyone else who attempts to "Rule" the Sea of Thieves, but that only happens if he first takes power over the Sea of Thieves, and establishes his views as the only view.
@@Corzappy justice for pendragon
@@subjectnivleis7572 pendragone hahahaha
@@subjectnivleis7572 injustice for pendragone
I agree, that Athena's way of running things is the only viable option. It's a common and realistic way a wild territory is getting colonized. Ramsey came in as a wild pirate, settled down, brought more people, kickstarted a civilization here and established trade routes with the outside world. He is basically a founder of a newborn country. It is the most non-violent and logical way to do things. And the most boring one. I am not even talking about how well 17th century people deal with locals in wild foreign lands, especially if locals don't look like them.
Sure, the Pirate Lord had to make some compromises, but he also saw that Flameheart's version was untenable in the end because there'd be no freedom for anyone but Flamheart if Flameheart had his way. It's for that reason that Ramsey had to compromise while putting checks and balances in place.
The pirate life is about freedom, greed, adventure, self interest and independence which is what the new world represented during the 1400s-1800s. The true way would be to look after yourself and act in ways that benefit yourself whether that’s making deals and pacts or destroying and stealing, every situation is different. Also strike down anyone who would claim to be king, so the best option would be to do away with all the authoritarian factions entirely. Perhaps a merchant rebellion is in order allied with those who support a truly independent sea of thieves. But only as long as the merchants agree to keep their outside world politics and rule away from the sea and only have a presence for trade and commerce. Maybe even the sirens would join the cause for independence. And imagine if there were some way to control the sea life to help as well. An epic tale that’d be.
Great video mate, I’ll be stuck with my unwavering support for Reapers. Further down the line do you think it maybe possible we may see Reapers and Athena Fortune side together against the Dark Brethren?
I reckon in a few years but at the current pace, no
@@AShinyRay Oh yeah I meant MUCH further down the line, think it could make a good plot twist. Obviously the GMU are upto something and are yet to show their true colours too. Lots of potential ahead!
For now I'll keep to Ramsey. While he definitely has his flaws, the other options are just worse. The end of Piracy basically means an end to the SoT so Breathen can go shove off. Flameheart's calling is enticing, as his call is for the 'true' pirate way, but in his transformation he has twisted, and his call is nothing but a Siren's welcome now. To be honest, I have started to separate Flameheart from the Reapers. To me at least, they are two separate factions and should be treated as such. Follow me or die mentality and proclaiming himself as king is anything but pirate, and fly's in the face of what the Reapers want. But why Ramsey? Let me explain.
Let's say for a moment that the guilds were not there. That we just up and poof away Athena, Gold Hoarders, Merchants, Order of Souls and so on. Okay, what is left? After all if Reapers get there way there is no need for a Reaper faction. So now there is no one to pay gold, the keys to the chests are gone, skulls become paper weights, no one to buy your fish and there is now no goods in the SoT. It is basically a rotation of whatever is floating around. Congrats you have a chest! That you can't open. A skull that no one wants and you just whispers at you, and a pig that just eats your food. Not to mention with the lack of goods flowing into the SoT we now have no cannonballs, no sails, no iron to make weapons, no one to make your drinks or make new clothes. Basically, without the deal Ramsey set up, this is just a wild place where you'll eventually run out of stuff, can't even fight without weapons and cannonballs. Oh but the Reapers will just take over all those services. So nothing changes then? Instead of multiple guilds keeping each other in check you want ONE guild with all the power? That means they control you, so how is that any different from Flameheart? I honestly think the Reapers have a place in the current deal, to keep the pirate life alive and as a check to the balances. They have their spot, they just need out of Flameheart's influence.
The thing about the reapers is that their goals don't make a ton of sense.. like, think about it. Flameheart becomes king and kicks all the trading companies out of the sea of thieves. where do you sell your loot now? you're not opening those chests without a skeleton key and crates or skulls aren't really valuable to the average pirate so either a ton of pirates just cannot get any loot or they'll have to end up selling to someone with a skeleton key the same way they do now. and it's not like there are a lot of rules to be followed in the sea of thieves at the moment either, you don't need to be a reaper to sink people for their loot (or even just for the fun of it) what difference would overthrowing the pirate lord make?
If I’m being honest, Athena’s fortune calls to me. Don’t get me wrong, Ramsey definitely could’ve done things better. But you can be a pirate and a good man. Plus, I’ve been screwed over by reapers way too many times. And no way in hell am I taking orders from a giant floating bobble head who needs to work on his insults.
Hey I wouldn’t mind the GMU being introduced and we all have a common enemy though
Season 10 had better be F L A M E H E A R T
Definitely should be
@@AShinyRay following what we know about Lost sands you're probably going to get flame hearts pinky toe in the first update and they'll work their way up to the rest of him
@@AShinyRay nah the wilds gotta go
@@mr.peewee7261 fair
@@magicpyroninja only 208 seasons to go!
i only love the pirate lord, with flameheart or the companies will ever be under someone, only that with the companies lower of rank than the athenas fortune, the pirates can make their own path, through the legend that awaits them and their voyages. is't a sea open and larger for anyone who wants to grow their own name, we live in a world with different people and different ideology but will be ever exist a conflint between pirates. if we didn't live in an alliance we can't live freely or in peace.
Im standing with Reapers Bones, but i have my own ideals. I would love eternal life full of adventure and fighting, because it seems way too fun to me,
but i dont want to serve Flamehart and have only battles and servitude for all eternity. I would prefer to kill him at some point, steal his power and do what i want.
both Athena and Reapers are needed to keep the Sea of Thieves stable while keeping the spirit of the intent in tact. much like how Rare seems to want players to act, having a balance of both is needed for an optimal experience.
that being said i personally will always be billigerently against The Grand Maritime Union. the microcosm of trade Athena provides keeps the supplies in the Sea of Thieves flowing. but as soon as you become connected to another trading market, you start to become a state.
tactically speaking, i think the Reapers targeted Golden Sands Outpost was because it seems semi-cannonical new ships come in from the west. so having a fortress where new ships come in would be a really good way to keep the Sea of Thieves isolated from other trading markets. but now with the border pushed away we may see another targeted attack against either Dagger Tooth or Plunder to try to re-establish a border.
I'm always gonna support the Pirate Lord. To constantly kill and steal and consume until nothing is left is a drain on one's very spirit, and skeletons are doomed to a cold life without food, sleep or comfort. Granted, I don't really agree with all of Ramsey's decisions, such as him tolerating Rathbone's betrayal and allowing the Gold Hoarders to exist, but I believe his aims to be good, and the other trading companies perfectly noble. The Order seeks to free stranded, skelly cursed souls and learn their secrets, and without the merchants, there would be shortages everywhere. Trade simply must happen, and as long as the merchants retain their pirate allegiance, it'll all work out.
Well I think if he would stop the Gold Hoarders he would seem like a tyranny. So that's why he probably doesn't. Also aside from the GH himself (rathbone) they are harmless.
Also he didn't tolerate rathbone's betrayal, he did set up a trap to lure him back to the SoT, what worked and they blew up his ship sending him to the bottom of the sea, but then his greed and cursed gold changed him. The last time he confronted Rathbone was simply to talk since he was going to retire.
@@jackbullandothers3322 That trap was to "save him" though.
They didn't just go there and explode Rathbone's ship.
They offered him a chance to leave behind his obsession, his greed and save himself. He doomed himself by choosing greed, instead of freeing himself.
@@Thorumsu true true, but I also think they wanted at least some justice. Slate wanted him as his prisoner after all.
Flesh is weak and fire is strong
this video was recommended to me by youtube literally 6 times today, i decided to finally watch it and was not disappointed! Super interesting video
As a Person who enjoys endless Chaos i feel at home with the Reapers Bones.
I want Reaper voyages were we have to do stuff for the Servant or even Flameheart
welcome to the newest season
@@Xingmey i don't play the game anymore no good support for casuals ans safer seas is trash simce everything is locked
I'd love to see a story arc where the GMU sneaks a double agent into the Sea of Thieves and has them replace someone from a trading company, and then they start slowly bringing more GMU agents into the other companies until it reaches some sort of climax where the double agents open the shroud for the GMU and their fleets invade and start sinking everybody. Maybe forcing Flameheart and the Pirate lord into a shaky alliance to preserve the Sea of Thieves, there's probably a lot of character development for the Pirate Lord and Flameheart in there too somewhere.
There's plenty of cool story arcs you could do with that but it's just the gist of it.
The reapers and Athenas need to coexist. If there are no reapers, skeletons will be killed up to extinction, meaning world events are no longer. Along with that, the entire sea would be an alliance, meaning all there is to do is work for the trading companies, remaking the world outside of the sea of thieves. However, if there are no Athenas, the sea would be a giant war ground until there's no treasure left to fight over. In both instances, the sea of thieves will be just a mere husk of its former glory.
We Shall Sail Together
You also forget that Duke himself (when he was still a skeleton) said that flameheart wishes nothing more then to burn the sea of thieves to the ground. He doesn't want to liberate it, he just wants destruction.
as it should be
My friend and i are reapers and we like to think of Flameheart as Jabba the Hutt from star wars and we work for him like Boba Fett does. We don’t serve him or call him lord we just work for him and he pays. I’d have no problem going to the next highest paying customer. The Whale Lord is the true king of the seas🤘🏻🤣
Both, you can only be a true pirate with the two ideologies clashing, pirates reap reward only when 2 equal forces clash , if one overwhelms then theres no longer a place for the pirates life to thrive
To the people that say "it's Sea of Theives not Sea of Friends" many Theives and Pirates have banded together to make profitable organizations, making betrayal tempting and often rewarding
How about the sirens and mermaids, sure they dont have that big of an impact but they also exist.
actually the bilgerats are the most pro pirate life, all about adventure and a drink afterwards
The most bizarre thing about Sea Of Thieves politics is that even though every faction has benefits and flaws, it is still extremely black and white.
Mike Chapman describes the hourglass system as "choosing between good and evil".
Athena's Fortune is always presented as heroic, noble and good while Flameheart is always presented as entitled, manipulative and selfish.
Even with all the complicated and conflicting motives in this video, at the end of the day, it is still just presented as good VS evil.
And that is bizarre.
The story and politics of sea of thieves would be fine if they didn't make us pick sides. The story is so one-sided it isn't even fun. They give us a choice to side with the reapers but not a reason.
The athenas fortune is full of characters that you are supposed to care about and you have good reasons to side with them but the reapers are just the other side you can pick. Picking reapers is just to see what would happen when the bad guys win.
The story feels like it was written before these community choices were a thing and hasn't evolved since. I hope the story changes, the reapers have potential to be very interesting characters and I would hate to see them just be comically bad guys with no redeeming qualities.
@@wellhellothere6470 I honestly think that reapers being your typical cartoonish villians isn't a bad thing. Choosing to side with the villains purely because they are comically bad is not a horrible concept. Kind of neat, actually.
I just find it bizarre considering the story has way more potential than just "good VS evil".
@@Thorumsu Aye, the story has way more potential but honestly the Reapers being just "LET THE FLAME BURN, CONQUER THE SEAS!" evil is fun.
Let the intrigue go between Athena's Fortune, Dark Brethren, and GMU, and have our skelly-boys be the fun chaotic bad guys that are bad because good is dumb.
Because they are supposed to get rid of emissaries and trading companies, but they also sink any and every ship they see
Great video on the background of the big 3 factions! Kinda weird how Reapers can claim freedom with their leader and pvp faction having the title "Servant" Guess Flameheart and his Reaper's are illiterate?
Servant is not in the slave sense but more so showing the devotion to the Flame. The Flame is meant to symbolise freedom and power, but Flames can burn themselves out if they consume too much.
@@AShinyRaywell said
Because the sea of thieves thrives off of conflict and war, it may be best neither faction is eliminated. If Athena's Fortune were eliminated, the Reaper's Bones would kill off the remaining sources of their plunder, they would run the economy dry and the Sea of Thieves would die.
Meanwhile, if the Reaper's Bones were to be eliminated, the Sea of Thieves and the frontier it holds would be threatened by the trading companies' control. The Sea of Thieves would die off as it's spirit would be forever lost.
"We shall un chain the seas " i love chaos and battleing so im from the reapers bones as a blood thirsty skelly
I love pvp, so i would say reaper's bones, but i am too loyal to Ramsey to go to Flameheart.
I'm team Athena because it's my choice not because I was forced to or blackmailed into it.
If I choose not to support Athena, I'm not blacklisted. I'm not kicked out. I'm not seen as an enemy. I'm not hunted down and destroyed
I think id rather side with the Brethren
Those lads are actually true pirates
And they have Duke
the people who want to destroy piracy are true pirates? what kind of logic is that?
@@infinitypeaches3329 they have Duke
Enough said
@@infinitypeaches3329 as contradictory as it is, there is a point, they are indeed only wishing to destroy piracy as it exists because they feel betrayed by the very concept of piracy.
Brilliant video, I haven't seen something like this done before despite the motives for each side really needing an explanation! Although I'll still remain neutral, and just blow up everyone I see. It's a much more fun way to pirate.
Thank you, wanted to make this for a while!
I stick with the Ferryman closest faction as long as it won't keep me from sailing freely. If this promise of avoiding death wasn't on the table, i guess i'd go with whatever deals the Order of Souls would make. As you see my allegiances are more personnal than ideological in this game^^.
Would love to work with the Warsmith tho, stopping her from making cursed balls for us, what a shame :(
glory to flame heart RAAHHHHH
I may be a Proud Gold hoarder, But the reapers bones is the faction Im apart of
I guess? It just confuses me cauce the GH hate the reapers. But you do you matey :)
In essence, the Pirate Lord sacrifices for the greater good of the Sea of Thieves, Flameheart seeks to rule it how he wishes (The King of Freedom? More like the King of Oxymorons.), and the Dark Brethren wish to wipe the slate clean.
I don’t think the reapers want “free seas” but just to have everyone to be under his command for he is will be willing to throw anyone to the side once they are no longer useful such as Wanda. For many of the reaper’s titles are focused on being a servant.
2 minutes in this is such a good video, also Athena forever and ever, flameheart will fall before the athenas, preferably me😂
Long live flame heart 🔥
I want to see the the Sea of Thieves when its taken over by the Reapers. Looks like the best outcome over the other options.
I think that sea of thieves that what sea of thieves needs is reapers bones general idea in athena ways, long story short: no trading companies, and not being the bad guys
I see a lil Jagnar over there
While reaper GAMEPLAY is true piracy, reaper POLITICS are not.
Flameheart literally wants to control the seas under his dominion. Under him, any pirate would become his minion that is forced to move at his command.
Free men would cease to exist as there would only be reapers and the rest of the world waging war, as anyone not confirming to either side would be annihilated or forced to work as a slave.
I am not in favor of any faction reaching full supremacy, but I despise Flameheart the most because he is the only one that, lorewise, actually wants supremacy, while the Piratelord, who I don't like as a person, at least doesn't want to inhibit out freedoms.
I guess there's the huge trade empire thingy in the lore too, always forget their name, that want real supremacy, but since they aren't that active in the game yet, they aren't on my agenda.
Overall, I love reaper gameplay, but I hate them from a lore standpoint.
And anyone that supports Flameheart in community events is helping them take away our freedoms.
Lore aside though, obviously Flameheart will never gain proper control, as this is a sandbox video game.
So choose who you want, just don't try to explain to me that Flameheart is the real pirate, when he's factually more like an empire dictator that wants to rule and conquer.
He's not a man that loves freedom at all, he loves power.
That's why the true Chaotic Neutral standpoint is to join Flameheart with the intent to backstab and dethrone him, so that nobody can rule over the Sea of Thieves.
@@Corzappy
Looool, funny how you say that because me any my two buddies that play this game, me being the captain in our crew, regularly joke that we need to kill Flameheart AND the Pirate Lord so I can just take over xD
So yes, you are correct my friend, down with the leaders.
Reapers!
Thanks for the amazing content bro!
Keep it up!
i like flameheart cause after every teasure sold to him {or his faction} he throws a money bag at us not even counting how much more he had given us how do you think every reaper is so rich
One of the best sot TH-camrs on the platform
Thank you my guy!
Tbh my alignment is with the gold hoarder/athena mainly due to the characters associated (rathbone and merrick)
The way I look at it, I am a Athena’s fortune but I also like the reapers. I understand what they stand for and it is not that bad. I don’t like flameheart as a person though and think the reapers would be a better faction without him. (I love the whole concept of flameheart and design I am just saying ethics wise) I believe the true enemy is the grand maritime union, and reapers and Athena’s must alliance at some point in the future to repel the grand maritime union from invading the sea of thieves
I like the true piracy aspect but I don’t side with the reapers on wanting to destroy all of the factions because I like the political aspect where companies pay pirates to do something and they get a share, your point on the reapers not wanting them to work with the companies because that’s not what pirates do is also true, so it’s a very interesting question
Bruh, why can't I play as Reaper's Bones? Absolute utter Anarchy? HELL YEAH
I would love to see the gmu introduced as a playable faction. Order in Place of chaos. the righteous armada of the gmu against the lawlessnes of thieves
Yeah but that's super lame because it's called the Sea of Thieves not the Sea of Law Abiding Citizens.
Realistically everybody who isn't a completely self-serving alliance soyboy should be 100% against the GMU, they have only bad intentions for pirates.
I got perma banned for named my galleon “Jim’s crowsnest”. They said I violated pirate code and ship name was vulgar. The pirate code speaks nothing of said actions. In addition the ship naming has a filter and “jim” nor “crowsnest” is vulgar.
I only side with whoever is more entertaining to at the time
keeps it interesting :)
While I'm a Pirate Legend and generally support Athena's Fortune/Guardians of Fortune over Reapers Bones... maybe...
Bilge Rats, woot-woot! Go on spontaneous adventures! Maybe fight a kraken and loot a shipwreck! Be surprisingly friendly to a crew! Do some voyages! Do a Tall Tale! Reverse pick-pocket someone! Sink some ships and maybe invade or defend try for a long streak in some high-stakes PvPvE! Make an organic server-wide alliance and complete the final Glitterbeard commendation! Sneak onto someone's ship and play "The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything" over your speaking trumpet! Bilge Rats are what you make of it!
Its sad that PvE reapers get a bad rep. Especially since the best fort for them is in the dead center of the map, and easily completed in under 10 minutes, AND meanwhile, you can get jumped by another crew.
I'm also a Reaper but on the verge of siding with the Brethren. Mainly because I make alliances despite being a Reaper fan. But also because if Flameheart ends up betraying his son- I'd lose all respect I have for him.
We want real piracy upon the seas!
0:27 hey you can’t do that
Gotta say, i previously loved reapers, now i just like them even more
The differences, despite some similarities, comes at the notion that both Companies have entirely SPLIT the concept of Piracy... with only one radically straying far from it. Piracy has been applied to those who were either Pioneers or even Trading Companies that were on the wrong end of the Law... but the Pioneers are more important, since they have always been the very essence of adventure, glory and freedom... the very same type of person that the Pirate Lord was.
It perfectly falls into the mold in which the Athena's Fortune advocate for... and I assume the problem comes in at the assumption that the Trading Companies have pretty much influenced the old world's rat races over unto Sea of Thieves. However, remember that these Trading Companies are being POLICED by the Athena's Fortune should they step out of line. Also, assuming the problem being Ramsay's character of being full of himself... that shouldn't be a major factor. Character is a stupid way of seeing things.
So, think of it this way... if the Trading Companies remain in the Sea of Thieves, whilst Pirates have the means to loot and plunder their vessels... it brings a sense of balance. Like a farm of some sorts.... Reap what you sow. So the Athena's Fortune may know a thing or two.
As for the Reaper's Bones, THEY would be the ones to completely break away from the concept of Piracy in favor of some "might makes right" ideals. They could easily be described as a Roman/Mongol Horde-esque "civilization" of Gladiators (or Gypsies) clashing and blowing each other out of the water... effectively creating an even bigger problem, which is self-destruction. Should they ever allow Flameheart to return, he'll see to it that we lose the rite or will to do as we please... and he KNOWS it. Because Flameheart, before even adopting the Servant of the Flame, had abandoned the concept of Piracy for the thrill of battle. He lost interest, and will see to it that his new interests are thrown in to ruin the Sea of Thieves.
Now it isn't to say "might makes right" is necessarily bad for Pirates... Pirates in history have always gotten around by being the toughest nails. However, to completely single this concept out with Piracy is where things will keel over. So there's my thesis.
This has to he the best argument I have seen when it comes to the two factions.
I'm in full support of Athena's Fortune, and the Pirate Lord. The reason why I don't support the Reapers bones is mostly because I have bad experience with the Reapers and would constantly find Toxic Reapers. I try to find equal ground with each faction and will engage in PvP, I find the Pirate Lord to be a good soul despite his past. In conclusion I support Athena's Fortune
You are the best sot TH-camr I have ever seen
Thanks very much!
I sail for neither, I sail to meet other pirates and be it in grog and song or a battle with me or them sunk, tis is still a sea worth sailing, I aim to bring more glitter into the sea.
If one's really in the Reapers because they want a survival of the fittest free for all, then they shouldn't be hiding behind a conglomerate of mask-wearing edgelords. They should be making a unique name for themselves like Flameheart and Ramsey did. The seas are already free as they are. There's no man-o'-wars protecting treasure fleets from the greedy grasp of singular pirates, and alliances are all self serving whether under reaper banners or trading company aligned pirates.
The only reasons to stick with Flameheart's Reapers are (a) to have an excuse for slaughter, (b) because one likes the stifling air of a totalitarian monarchy, or (c) since its the best shot at decking Ramsey in the shnozz for some impersonal slight or because he's very blatantly ignored the encroaching Grand Maritime Union through the Emporium and Sovereigns (very fair).
To whine its because one wants to 'protect the freedom of the seas' however is just to choke on Flameheart propaganda that puts those types on the front lines to secure an even harsher rule than Pirate Derp Ramsey's.
The Dark Brethren are the closest thing to fighting for what the Reapers claim to represent, except they're a bunch of jaded puppeteers who don't care about pirates so much as just making Ramsey and Flameheart stuff it. Honestly pirates have it good right now even with the trading companies, especially for reapers taking their loot without much resistance. Its when the GMU comes in full force that trading companies will truly be a problem.
Side with Flameheart with the eventual goal of killing him and anyone else who wants to control the Sea of Thieves. Boom, problem solved.
@@Corzappy Sounds about as easy as siding with Ramsey with the eventual goal of banishing him. Then we're right back to Dark Brethren strats and their masks aren't as fancy. x3
GORY TO FLAMEHEART
Trick question my answer is hunters call
I really don’t care about athen or the flames I just enjoy sea of thieves and meet people who really care for this game
I support the greatest pirate of them all, Admiral Trollface.
Pirates for all eternety
Reapers: Dont want Pirates to work for the Trading Companies
Also Reapers: Is the only Trading Company that buys everything for a bonus.
LET THE FLAME BURN!!!!!!!
I support to athena's fortune I want these waters to be free from a war tyrant captain flameheart he just obsessive killing and flame of war and battle and the other two evil frets the dark brethren and the grand time Union.
FOR FLAME HEART 🔥❤️
There are 2 types of pirates. Peacemains and morganeers
If the ferryman is allied with ramsey why does he keep letting me and my friends who literally worship flameheart as a god back into the seas lol.
The Reeper bones
Reapers, I’ve always either plundered or backstabbed
What about the Bilge Rats?
The Dark Brethren should become a real faction in the game, so we could sell loot and earn reputation from them.
4:15 please forget abaut this praise flame and serve flamehrart thing, ok?
I only serve the flame
I see merits to both athenas and reapers. I fly both flags. I'm like that arms dealer that sells to both sides of the war
I side with Reapers for a number of Reasons. To be perfectly honest I almost lean more into the Dark Brethren, however seeing the end of the pirates life is not on my list of things I want to do.
I was burned by the idealisms of a pirates life that allowed for friends and alliances to be made after many many betrayals across my time playing. Now I seek vengeance, plundering anyone I see regardless of how friendly they claim to be. True piracy is the only real way for me now, I will take and steal as I please.
Flameheart’s “Only rule is no rules” may be flawed in it’s attempt to sell freedom for the cost of your freedom, however it doesn’t work perfectly for Flameheart either. There’s no rule that says I can’t destroy him too eventually, after all…
If the Pirate Lord is responsible for allowing the soviergns and pirate emporium into the Sea of Thieves, both of whom are GMU moles, then I'm with Flameheart 100%.
I'm sure he'd have a good laugh over the irony of being killed by his own disciples due to his tyrannical enforcement of "No Rules"
@@Corzappy he is responsible for allowing both of them into the sot, since a true pirate would have eradicated them upon seeing their clean clothes instantly and ramsey doesn't give a shit
MAY THE FLAME BURN!!!!!
So far I have always supported Reapers and I doubt that will change in the future.
The Pirate Lord tried to turn the Sea of Thieves into some server alliance - that cannot be the true pirates life. I'm here to plunder and sink you - and sure some time to come together without being at each others throats can be had, but not under some trading company.
The pirate lord is becoming what he once sought to destroy, letting the trading companies run their business in these sacred waters we call home. He has become a trading company himself, sitting atop his wealth like a king while we shower him with glory as a “lord”. He is not my lord, I will not bow down to any trading company. True pirates aren’t servants, true freedom isn’t controlled by companies.
Kindest regards, - Captain Rose