@@DS-nw4eq Same here, 150'000km still original water pump and turbo, no issues at all. Bought new aswell. It was more of a joke because a lot of people think german cars are terrible.
You should do a video about "vehicle reliability" as a topic. I feel like there are a lot of misconceptions out there about why vehicles are unreliable, what ratings like JD Power means etc. It would be nice to have a car channel go over the ins and outs of what makes a vehicle reliable and what doesn't. And I could think of no better channel to do it.
My spouse and I own an F54 and F57. Both are sticks and both are a riot to drive and wonderful to own. They put a smile on my face whenever I look back at them. And the commute is so much more bearable. It makes me wonder why people malign BMW Mini. Sure they changed from the original. But these 3rd gens are gems IMO. BMW sure did a better job than the badge engineering dumpster fire of GM/Saab. The only "downside" is BMW maintenance costs, but DIY solves that. Anyway, as many have said. As the world continues to spit out appliances with no personality, I'll be holding on the one of the last fun cars until someone pulls it from my cold dead hands. Hopefully the 4th gen brings along the same magic. Btw, both have been two of the most reliable and well- made cars we have owned-including Hondas, Toyotas and Mazdas. But you need to look after them with regular and thoughtful maintenance.
Had a 2015 JCW 2 door as a daily for 4 years. No issues, just a ton of fun. Bought a new '19' Civic SI which has been in the shop 4 times for AC. They’ve had the dash out twice to repair it. Still has a mind of its own. Earlier MINI's were bad, but the last generation has been reliable, just ask any owner. ✌️
@@davidsucks922the engine isn’t what you need to worry about, it’s all the other famously BMW gremlins like electronics/sensors, suspension components, and all the plastic crap that cracks after a decade from heat soaked oiling/cooling fittings to UV damaged body clips and interior bits. BMW hasn’t made a vehicle designed to last for decades.
I had one of these as a rental last year in it's 3 cylinder form and man did it have character. I would have never looked at this or even remember they existed until then. Really enjoyed it
@@FurkanCemTurfanda Unfortunately though, these new ones look like old ones that floated to the surface of the lake once spring came... just bloated af
This 3rd generation of MINIs have done a 180 on reliability compared to the first two gens. They’ve been high on JD Power lists for the past several years.
This is a MINI the size of a VW Golf, on a longer wheelbase with more passenger room. So when you compare an automatic Golf R with the Clubman JCW, the weight difference is far less than this review video alludes to. It's just the nature of cars in 2024. The much smaller 3-door JCW hatchback weighs a lot less than the clubman JCW, something like 800 lbs. less.
Got a 2016 clubman S in October, fun car to zip around in, been really enjoying the clubman Facebook community and being one of the few with one of these on the road you’ll definitely standout from the crowd, lots of aftermarket options to personalize it too, MINI is a fun brand ❤
Wow, someone finally reviewed one of these. I'm always puzzled by how little coverage these got. I'm also puzzled why this is getting reviewed now.....These are all gone already. You can't go order one if you wanted to now. I'll just enjoy my fun with mine.
I own one as well and it's the antidote to the multitude of NPC SUV/CUVs that take up most of our roadways in 2024. It is legit quick, handles great, very comfortable, has *just* enough room for a family of 4, fits plenty of stuff w/the seats down, unique and has returned 29mpg avg in my 3 years of ownership thus far. I've driven it on 1000mi road trips, backroad runs, grocery getting... it really has no obvious flaws and it's my fav daily driver ever and I've owned a lot of cars. I have an FK8 as well, but it's my track and "special" car which is where it's better suited honestly. I've also owned an MK6 Golf R and I'd take the Mini over that for it's character alone *as a daily*, which is where I think this car shines.
We're enjoying ours one month into ownership. This will be a future classic from the brand. A small wagon with 306 bhp, 331 ft lbs and loads of utility. A couple small mods make it even quicker on initial turn-in and more mini-like. Such a great daily.
@@stinsterliciousi feel like buying a hatchback or wagon is generally the antidote for those stuck with a mundane cuv . But I’m glad you’re happy with your purchase!
I have that! 2024 JCW Hardtop. Manual, no moonroof, Lounge interior. It holds and builds speed without detection or drama. It needs an aftermarket differential in the front. It compensates well without it, but that will make it sort of perfect. It is an extremely easy car to drive and be a passenger in. Very comfortable and classy.
My wife has one of these, in the awesome green color. People who never test drove these bad mouth these cars all the time, but once you drive it you get it. Yes, they're expensive for what they are, but they're fast, fun, and have this amazing quality to them that makes you enjoy driving them, which is something that's basically impossible to get these days with your typical new car-appliances these days. Buy these now, because MINI sells so few of these that used will literally be impossible to find in a few years.
Whenever you’re showing off trunks/storage capacity. You guys should stuff/stack as many Tux Mats as possible. Best way to truly gauge any storage capacity of a vehicle.
We used to have one of these as a Cooper S in our family. Great little hatch! Fun, reasonably quick, reliable, interesting looking and frugal for the engine size (40 mpg on the highway). It is also refreshingly different from all the boring VW Golfs that everyone drives here in Europe.
I love the cold, logical, cut-and-dry statements made by Chris when describing the car, almost like in a "Okay, what's next" kind of way. He needs to stick with that shtick because he does it well. I can tell it's the real him with his honest thoughts, and that's what I love about this channel. You're all honest, but go about it in different ways. 3 different kinds of humor 😁👌
Look at it, it's not a Mini Cooper. It's a German-engineered premium miniature station wagon (not a hatchback) with a nice interior and great engine. Worth 50k.
@@dre32pitt Wouldn't be caught dead in one of those, and neither would the typical Mini buyer. Totally different category of cars, too. You know nothing about cars.
@@TheUrbanEpicure 4-doors.. check.. hatch.. check... powerful 4 banger... check.. The mini doesnt have 3 pedals either.... At that price point, you can go SEVERAL other routes... Save $$ and have a fun car: FK8 Type R, Mk7.5 Golf R (DSG or Manual) Spend a bit more and get a lot more: Integra Type S (current gen) And you're right.. the person who buys this, isn't even a car person.. as someone mentioned in the comments.. "these are for people who buy $8 cups of coffee".. Any 'real' car person isn't buying this unless their significant other wants it.. PERIOD.
This is an F54 not an R54. The “R” series of mini clubman would actually be R55 btw. Another thing to note is the turbo is actually a twin scroll turbo and not a single scroll.
@@rafaelcordoba13 Correct. In some European countries you also get 10 years and 100'000 kms of free service and 4 years of full warranty. We also had 0 issues with ours over 80'000 kms.
A Savagegeese video to start the week is a blessing. By the way the Clubman S All-4 could be paired with the 6-speed manual for a few years, but they're very rare.
I just bought a specced JCW hardtop. I removed the dual moonroofs. I added a manual gearbox, 17” wheels, Iconic trim. Red and blue like this one. It weighs under 2800 lbs most likely now. It was nicer than a Golf R. It just is. Was a very hard decision. I also have Lounge Leather. It is beautiful.
Me and my wife picked up 2 of these, She has the final edition, 1 of 1969, and I took the JCW, traded in my 2015 M5 f10, and have NO regrets! I daily my cars, and I feel like I have way more room to play while driving this and WAYYY more fun. The M5 got to CRAZY speeds and definitely had its perks, but the JCW is just FUN! in every way, lol. Also I have a 10 year old boy and a 15 year old girl, and they both fit comfortably in the back and LOVE the ride. Thanks for the video, I have Been waiting for more videos on this.
Neat cars. Was never really into Mini that much honestly until I dive into, and eventually bought, a Cooper SE. Absolutely love that car, and actually makes me excited for Mini's future 👍🏼
My S.O. owns the same-gen Cooper JCW with the optional sports exhaust (with a factory-fitted bypass, in this day and age can you believe it) and it is a total RIOT. Definitely something you buy with your heart rather than logic.
I have a 2020 Clubman S All4, bought used with 18k miles, now at 52k. Love it, great space, very comfortable, all wheel drive works great. Put the JCW exhaust on mine, Turbomac wheels, CravenSpeed Chasis Braces and Morimoto Pod Lights. Great car.
Hold on, you can drive it in manual mode if you drive a stick. In fact, that’s a suggest you drive to manual mode if you drive a stick. I got an R55 in auto and I drive manual mode only, I can’t drivein automatic. I can’t tolerate the car shifting when it wants.
I don't need another car but I have been shopping for that super clean MINI Cooper S that's 15 -20 years old now. I like the old school hatchback with a manual transmission. It's all about the handling and the ride. Brilliant cars.
I had been driving my 2022 F54 JCW for almost three years now, every time I choose to becoming driving it more than sitting on it which is a real dizaster for passenger experience. The noise, hard suspension, straight seats. Everything is barely comfort I would say, Mini has a lot of minor problems with either interior or outerior. But I love driving it so much to be honest, the confidence of driving this machine always keep you smile every time on the sport mode, it's completely a real hothatch beast. I am currently owning a refresh tesla model 3 performance, I love compact but powerful machine which gives you lots of fun on controlling. I bought my jcw was for my wife initially, but to be very honest, as a man and if I could choose again I would prefer to pick up a BMW M135i instead which has the same engine with the F54 jcw but has a lot more builtin quality of everything. But you know my wife prefers Mini because all of those round cute little things....Always listen to your wife. :)
My stepdad bought a ‘23 Cooper JCW (coming from an N14 Cooper S and an N18 Clubman S) for the exact reasons mentioned in this video. He saw the rapid approach of the death knell for the Mini performance option (and ICE option in general) and knew he had to get in before there wasn’t going to be a fun Mini to accompany his Authi Mini Cooper 1300 anymore.
Not as refined, but a well maintained R56 w/ the N18 engine is one of the best fun:cost ratios out there and makes a great platform for performance mods. This car gets the better engine and nicer interior, but it's also $$$$. You can get a good R56 for sub $10K.
N18 is the best turbo mini that's reliable period. F series cars are not minis and lost all it's driving magic Anyone who has a f series car please try to drive a s or jcw of the previous gen You'll immediately understand what I'm talking about. Owner of a 330+whp supercharged 2005 mini Cooper s Have some videos on my channel Also a 2013 r55 jcw clubman manual Best compromise car I think ever made
As a current Mini owner, I'm surprised at the relative lack of low speed maneuverability of the car considering its size. I have a 3 door Cooper, and it has a bigger turning circle than a Subaru Crosstrek or a Kia Forte. The Clubman is even worse.
Everyone points out the whimsy but thats what the mini sells. The old beetle and maybe the prowler? Were along the same lines of intent and years go by this is what we have left. I like em alot. Good job Chris. Not sure if this your first time in front of the camera but I think your chemistry with Jack works and can be alot more smooth and fluid given time and finding your own "internet persona" keep it up lads!
Just FYI this are all gone, you can't order them anymore. the clubman has officialy ceased production a few months ago. The same could be said for every other current gen mini i've driven them all and my favourite was the 3 door JCW manual, absolutely brilliant little car
I cross shopped this with my Golf R. Your title is spot on. Those were the exact feeling i had walking away. In the end the Golf R was a better value for very similar cars.
All of my local dealers are trying to markup Golf R's even though the refresh is already known to be coming. Typical bait and switch bullshit with "oh we'll do sticker" then show up and they claim they never do sticker, must've been a mistake, blah blah blah. I have visited multiple VW dealers and they've all been pretty similarly scummy so I would go with something else for that reason alone- and the BMW/Mini dealers near me are all pretty pleasant to deal with, minus like one that still thinks mark-ups are a thing.
I loved my R53 until the warranty ran out. Impressively comfortable for me, being 183cm/130kg. BMW engineering and expectations with a lower build quality and high maintenance. Maybe the BEVs will actually make them reliable enough to own long term?
I own a 2022 JCW Clubman and to be honest…it’s just a lot of fun. It rips mountain roads great and makes a nice sound. I don’t like the iDrive at all, very clumsy to use. Pain to use two phones with CarPlay (it sort of guesses which connect). Turbo lag can be super obvious. It is either all-go or no-go. But at the end of the day, brings a smile every time. Great daily along side my 991.2.
The F series Minis are reliable. The Clubman has been around since 2016 and mechanical wise has been the same. The only changes made are some exterior bits and tech features. Before I took a leap on buying the All4 S model, I did research and browsed thru a lot of forums from Clubman owners stating how reliable their Clubmans have been. Of course you have to be on top of the maintenance since this is a BMW under the skin. Mind you, jumping from a Toyota to the Mini brand is a huge leap of faith. But the test drive alone sealed the deal. Like what Jack said, this car has character and makes you smile. And since this is considered a wagon, it’s a huge plus for me because I’m a hot hatch/wagon sort of person. In the seas of SUVs and CUVs, the Clubman stands out and I know design wise it’s subjective but I find the design of this car really attractive.
I'm a huge Mini fan and supporter but not a fan of Clubman at all. Give me a JCW Countryman over this all day. I absolutely love my 2dr hardtop S but wish I did have a JCW. There are several great British YT comparison videos with this and Countryman vs Golf R and similar and a lot preferred the Mini in a lot of ways. Great review and wish you would get your hands on other JCW variants and give them a go.
I've also owned the 23 Countryman. Mine had fuel sensor replaced and brake replacement within the first 5k miles. The plastic black trims on the A pillars were also rattling when I traded that junk in.
When you reviewed the BMW X1, with a dual clutch, you were very critical of the lag. You called it a safety issue. This mini, has a dual clutch but you didn’t mention lag. Just curious,
Love my 2016 Mini Cooper S Carbon Edition. I take my mini on some of the best twisty canyon roads in the country (Decker Canyon Rd, Yerba Buena, Little Sycamore Canyon, Mulholland) and it is a blast, have Michelin Pilot 4s w/stock suspension, JCW tuner kit & Carbon exhaust from the factory. I’m sure a Golf R, Civic Type R are better cars all around, yes!! I paid $23,000 in 2019 used with 36,000 miles. Having said that I would highly recommend getting a used one as the prices plummet! If buying new I’d go for the Civic:)
Correction to Jack: Mini is still making ICE cars. They are just now introducing an updated 2 door hatch and an updated Countryman with ICE engines. Lots of EVs in the pipeline now too.
@japanwatchconnection I dunno, F56 is a pretty good car. The upcoming F66 looks like it should continue to be good since it is just an update. They have moved away from the retro chic of the R50/53 though, is that what has turned you off?
The biggest thing I took away from the road test section is that it's loud. Tons of impact noise and tons of drone at cruise. I understand it's a JCW "sporty" model, but at the money these command I don't feel it's a particularly necessary compromise. I dunno. I just can't see spending 50 grand on something with the refinement of a 2001 Kia Sephia with an exhaust leak.
You guys gonna review the new C63? It's over 1000lb heavier than this so I'm morbidly curious to see Mark rip into it like he does with Mercedes EQ vehicles
I've always liked the Clubman design with its double rear doors. Not the most practical thing, but it looks cool to me. I test drove a Mini several years ago when I was in the market for a new car, but aside from the fact I didn't love it, it was just kind of pricey compared to some of its competitors, which I was more interested in anyway. Still, I'm glad I got to drive one to check it out.
PLEASE review the 2021 Mini JCW GP aka Mini GP3. It has the exact same B48 engine as this but the kicker is that it's 2800 pounds and fwd only. It also has the 8speed Aisin with more agressive tuning than the Clubman has. Also the GP3 has a really good boost by gear system so the launches are great for a fwd.
As someone whose first and second cars have both been Mini Clubmans (a 2008 and a 2017), I'm really sad that 2024 is the end of the Clubman as it's far and away my favorite Mini model. When I have the money, I fully intend to pick up a 2024 Clubman JCW, but unfortunately that's just not in my budget right now even though my 2017 Clubman is paid off.
This type of vehicle reminds me of the VW Alltrack. Never understood why the US market hates wagons so much as they tend to keep most of the sporty driving of a sedan with more practicality than most small/medium SUV’s. Would love a gold R wagon or GLI Wagon with the EA888
I just wanna say, I feel like these 4 door Minis are sacrilegious something about them just looks off, but for some reason, the Countryman (The SUV Mini) looks absolutely fine to me 🤔 But you know whatever sells is good as long as they keep the original one 😂💖
The driver in me still doesnt get the mini "hud" its literally 3 inches above the normal speedometer, I dont understand the need for it, sure the in-car gps uses it, and some minimal other functions. I have a 2024 Countryman S all4 and I'm just in perm deactivation mode.
If I ever crash my Golf Sportwagen 4motion manual , Id love a Mini as my next unreliable daily.
You just jinxed yourself!
I have a mk7 GTI and I haven’t had any problems other than the leaky water pump they never fixed for generations.
this gen is MUCH more reliable than VW
@@Mgoblagulkablong so far, I'm at 150'000km and bought it new, no issues whatsoever. Not even a waterpump or a stuck wastegate.
@@DS-nw4eq Same here, 150'000km still original water pump and turbo, no issues at all. Bought new aswell. It was more of a joke because a lot of people think german cars are terrible.
You should do a video about "vehicle reliability" as a topic.
I feel like there are a lot of misconceptions out there about why vehicles are unreliable, what ratings like JD Power means etc.
It would be nice to have a car channel go over the ins and outs of what makes a vehicle reliable and what doesn't.
And I could think of no better channel to do it.
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JD Power ratings: 🤮. Totally useless for predicting future reliability.
Gotta say, Jack has a very whimsical speaking voice. His whimsical demeanor makes him a great TH-cam personality
wow, what an amazing fact!
This is a very whimsical observation, and its whimsical nature makes it a great TH-cam comment.
sychophants
Take the Whimsical Shot Challenge... take a shot of whiskey every time you hear "Whimsy" or "Whimsical"... you will be dead before the video is over.
Caution: This will lead to death for non-professional drinkers.
Make it rum and I'll survive. I just can't handle oak, tastes like drinking blended up wood liquor and varnish after a bit.
Bold of you to assume that I'm not already skew whiffed when I start each of their videos.
Or the "like" challenge.....
Looks like I picked a bad day to stop saying whimsical.
Genuinely been waiting on a good review of this gen jcw Clubman!! Keep up the good work y'all!
You’re my little 8-speed Aisin transmission, Jack.
LMAOOO
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Someone hit the whimsical limit.
My spouse and I own an F54 and F57. Both are sticks and both are a riot to drive and wonderful to own. They put a smile on my face whenever I look back at them. And the commute is so much more bearable. It makes me wonder why people malign BMW Mini. Sure they changed from the original. But these 3rd gens are gems IMO. BMW sure did a better job than the badge engineering dumpster fire of GM/Saab. The only "downside" is BMW maintenance costs, but DIY solves that. Anyway, as many have said. As the world continues to spit out appliances with no personality, I'll be holding on the one of the last fun cars until someone pulls it from my cold dead hands.
Hopefully the 4th gen brings along the same magic.
Btw, both have been two of the most reliable and well- made cars we have owned-including Hondas, Toyotas and Mazdas. But you need to look after them with regular and thoughtful maintenance.
Had a 2015 JCW 2 door as a daily for 4 years. No issues, just a ton of fun. Bought a new '19' Civic SI which has been in the shop 4 times for AC. They’ve had the dash out twice to repair it. Still has a mind of its own. Earlier MINI's were bad, but the last generation has been reliable, just ask any owner. ✌️
Yep. The F5* series is completely different car to the previous gen. I'm not aware of a single part, panel or fitting that is carried over.
I like watching your reviews to know what to buy used in 10 years 😅
Nice, that is the warranty time some brand gives to battery in EV.
Don’t buy a mini out of warranty, horribly unreliable. I had a JCW with an extended warranty, it was in the shop every other month.
@@davidsucks922 Yeah I've heard the same too! Consumer reports recommends them
a mini should NEVER be on that list. theyre legendary for falling apart or blowing up frequently
@@davidsucks922the engine isn’t what you need to worry about, it’s all the other famously BMW gremlins like electronics/sensors, suspension components, and all the plastic crap that cracks after a decade from heat soaked oiling/cooling fittings to UV damaged body clips and interior bits. BMW hasn’t made a vehicle designed to last for decades.
I had one of these as a rental last year in it's 3 cylinder form and man did it have character. I would have never looked at this or even remember they existed until then. Really enjoyed it
Barn doors Jack.
Got one of the last 6-speed, Clubman JCWs. Fun daily.
The JCWs have always been cool and very capable but man always so expensive, and being BMW Minis the reliability is always in the back of your mind
Get an R53 (04-06 specifically).. Most reliable BMW based mini, imo.. and an eyewatering 900lbs (!!!!) lighter..
Edit: Specificity, Eames..
You can get a used JCW for $25k.
Spend $50k if you got it…but
2007-2010 were unreliable, 2011-2013 were ok-ish.
Everything else, especially the modern BMW B48 stuff is reliable.
@@FurkanCemTurfanda Unfortunately though, these new ones look like old ones that floated to the surface of the lake once spring came... just bloated af
This 3rd generation of MINIs have done a 180 on reliability compared to the first two gens. They’ve been high on JD Power lists for the past several years.
3600lbs for a mini. Remember what they took from you.
This made me laugh harder than it should've, lol.
This is a MINI the size of a VW Golf, on a longer wheelbase with more passenger room. So when you compare an automatic Golf R with the Clubman JCW, the weight difference is far less than this review video alludes to. It's just the nature of cars in 2024. The much smaller 3-door JCW hatchback weighs a lot less than the clubman JCW, something like 800 lbs. less.
Yeah 50k from your bank
@@Christian-xc9bh For a shitbox. 50K. Here we are.
I'll stick with my first Gen JCW. 2700 pounds of supercharged fun
Got a 2016 clubman S in October, fun car to zip around in, been really enjoying the clubman Facebook community and being one of the few with one of these on the road you’ll definitely standout from the crowd, lots of aftermarket options to personalize it too, MINI is a fun brand ❤
Wow, someone finally reviewed one of these. I'm always puzzled by how little coverage these got. I'm also puzzled why this is getting reviewed now.....These are all gone already. You can't go order one if you wanted to now. I'll just enjoy my fun with mine.
The last ones were just all sold, yeah. They had 10 years to review the F56 generation and waited till it was dead
I own one as well and it's the antidote to the multitude of NPC SUV/CUVs that take up most of our roadways in 2024. It is legit quick, handles great, very comfortable, has *just* enough room for a family of 4, fits plenty of stuff w/the seats down, unique and has returned 29mpg avg in my 3 years of ownership thus far. I've driven it on 1000mi road trips, backroad runs, grocery getting... it really has no obvious flaws and it's my fav daily driver ever and I've owned a lot of cars. I have an FK8 as well, but it's my track and "special" car which is where it's better suited honestly. I've also owned an MK6 Golf R and I'd take the Mini over that for it's character alone *as a daily*, which is where I think this car shines.
We're enjoying ours one month into ownership. This will be a future classic from the brand. A small wagon with 306 bhp, 331 ft lbs and loads of utility. A couple small mods make it even quicker on initial turn-in and more mini-like. Such a great daily.
@@stinsterliciousi feel like buying a hatchback or wagon is generally the antidote for those stuck with a mundane cuv . But I’m glad you’re happy with your purchase!
Yeah I bought an F56 S on a whim (!) and my reaction was "How come no one told me about these??!!". The bargain used serious fun car.
Would be fun to see a review of the regular 2-door JCW with the manual. Seems like it would be an entirely different experience.
I have that! 2024 JCW Hardtop. Manual, no moonroof, Lounge interior. It holds and builds speed without detection or drama. It needs an aftermarket differential in the front. It compensates well without it, but that will make it sort of perfect. It is an extremely easy car to drive and be a passenger in. Very comfortable and classy.
Somewhere at around 2400 ibs. They should review the GP. That's basically GT3 RS but Mini lol
My wife has one of these, in the awesome green color. People who never test drove these bad mouth these cars all the time, but once you drive it you get it. Yes, they're expensive for what they are, but they're fast, fun, and have this amazing quality to them that makes you enjoy driving them, which is something that's basically impossible to get these days with your typical new car-appliances these days. Buy these now, because MINI sells so few of these that used will literally be impossible to find in a few years.
Yep. You hit it spot on. Once you drive one you get it. And seriously good quality cars now.
I think it's nice of Jack to take the random homeless guy along for a test drive..
Caught me off guard 3:45 😂
Whenever you’re showing off trunks/storage capacity. You guys should stuff/stack as many Tux Mats as possible. Best way to truly gauge any storage capacity of a vehicle.
Maybe they don't want to come off as corny as the 'Straight Pipes' (obviously a misnomer since at least one is a homosexer)
We used to have one of these as a Cooper S in our family. Great little hatch! Fun, reasonably quick, reliable, interesting looking and frugal for the engine size (40 mpg on the highway). It is also refreshingly different from all the boring VW Golfs that everyone drives here in Europe.
This feels so surreal to watch a video of this channel presenting the car I own! I am so happy to have bought mine last year. I love it!
I love the cold, logical, cut-and-dry statements made by Chris when describing the car, almost like in a "Okay, what's next" kind of way. He needs to stick with that shtick because he does it well. I can tell it's the real him with his honest thoughts, and that's what I love about this channel. You're all honest, but go about it in different ways. 3 different kinds of humor 😁👌
Thank you!, we have one 16k miles and we love it! nearly as fun to drive as the 24 years old manual Z3 2.5.....
$50 GRAND for a Mini Cooper 😵💫🤯
For people who NEED an $8 cup of coffee
Look at it, it's not a Mini Cooper. It's a German-engineered premium miniature station wagon (not a hatchback) with a nice interior and great engine. Worth 50k.
BMW 3series goes for over $100k (M3). VW Beetle goes for over $300k (911ST)
Welcome to 2024
@@TheUrbanEpicure Get a Type R at taht point you wing ding, lmao
@@dre32pitt Wouldn't be caught dead in one of those, and neither would the typical Mini buyer. Totally different category of cars, too. You know nothing about cars.
@@TheUrbanEpicure 4-doors.. check.. hatch.. check... powerful 4 banger... check.. The mini doesnt have 3 pedals either.... At that price point, you can go SEVERAL other routes...
Save $$ and have a fun car: FK8 Type R, Mk7.5 Golf R (DSG or Manual)
Spend a bit more and get a lot more: Integra Type S (current gen)
And you're right.. the person who buys this, isn't even a car person.. as someone mentioned in the comments.. "these are for people who buy $8 cups of coffee"..
Any 'real' car person isn't buying this unless their significant other wants it.. PERIOD.
This is an F54 not an R54. The “R” series of mini clubman would actually be R55 btw. Another thing to note is the turbo is actually a twin scroll turbo and not a single scroll.
It’s a single turbo and that’s what he said
3600lbs? Would not have guessed it’s that heavy.
As much as my Outback, not so “mini”
Heavier than my one size up Golf Alltrack… also more than, say, a Mazda CX30… crazy
*CX50
All the minis drive like much heavier cars, because they are.
Fiesta ST is 2,700 lbs... no one makes a mini or MINI anymore
Second hand great cars! When someone else took the depreciation hit.
as long as you buy into the extended warranty
@@WantonSoup192 Aren't the newer Minis pretty reliable?
@@kristoffer3000the point is, when they're not you're cooked. Better than they used to be for sure, but that was a lowwwwwwwww bar.
In Europe they are not expensive to maintain to be honest.
@@rafaelcordoba13 Correct. In some European countries you also get 10 years and 100'000 kms of free service and 4 years of full warranty. We also had 0 issues with ours over 80'000 kms.
Had a ‘17 2-door Cooper hardtop with a 6-speed manual and it always put a smile on my face every time I drove it. Never had a single problem with it.
A Savagegeese video to start the week is a blessing. By the way the Clubman S All-4 could be paired with the 6-speed manual for a few years, but they're very rare.
I have the S All4 6-speed and love it.
I just bought a specced JCW hardtop. I removed the dual moonroofs. I added a manual gearbox, 17” wheels, Iconic trim. Red and blue like this one. It weighs under 2800 lbs most likely now. It was nicer than a Golf R. It just is. Was a very hard decision. I also have Lounge Leather. It is beautiful.
Me and my wife picked up 2 of these, She has the final edition, 1 of 1969, and I took the JCW, traded in my 2015 M5 f10, and have NO regrets! I daily my cars, and I feel like I have way more room to play while driving this and WAYYY more fun. The M5 got to CRAZY speeds and definitely had its perks, but the JCW is just FUN! in every way, lol. Also I have a 10 year old boy and a 15 year old girl, and they both fit comfortably in the back and LOVE the ride. Thanks for the video, I have Been waiting for more videos on this.
Love the closing music… so whimsical.
We got the blue brothers. Nice shades!
God save the queen on the car play hahaha
I own a manual 09 jcw clubman so I’m very glad to see a clubman review which is very rare
Neat cars. Was never really into Mini that much honestly until I dive into, and eventually bought, a Cooper SE. Absolutely love that car, and actually makes me excited for Mini's future 👍🏼
My S.O. owns the same-gen Cooper JCW with the optional sports exhaust (with a factory-fitted bypass, in this day and age can you believe it) and it is a total RIOT. Definitely something you buy with your heart rather than logic.
I have a 2020 Clubman S All4, bought used with 18k miles, now at 52k. Love it, great space, very comfortable, all wheel drive works great. Put the JCW exhaust on mine, Turbomac wheels, CravenSpeed Chasis Braces and Morimoto Pod Lights. Great car.
3:45 😭😭😭🔥
BEEEEFORTYEIGHT
Fantastically whimsical review!!
Hold on, you can drive it in manual mode if you drive a stick. In fact, that’s a suggest you drive to manual mode if you drive a stick. I got an R55 in auto and I drive manual mode only, I can’t drivein automatic. I can’t tolerate the car shifting when it wants.
I don't need another car but I have been shopping for that super clean MINI Cooper S that's 15 -20 years old now. I like the old school hatchback with a manual transmission. It's all about the handling and the ride. Brilliant cars.
I had been driving my 2022 F54 JCW for almost three years now, every time I choose to becoming driving it more than sitting on it which is a real dizaster for passenger experience. The noise, hard suspension, straight seats. Everything is barely comfort I would say, Mini has a lot of minor problems with either interior or outerior. But I love driving it so much to be honest, the confidence of driving this machine always keep you smile every time on the sport mode, it's completely a real hothatch beast. I am currently owning a refresh tesla model 3 performance, I love compact but powerful machine which gives you lots of fun on controlling. I bought my jcw was for my wife initially, but to be very honest, as a man and if I could choose again I would prefer to pick up a BMW M135i instead which has the same engine with the F54 jcw but has a lot more builtin quality of everything. But you know my wife prefers Mini because all of those round cute little things....Always listen to your wife. :)
Word of the day: whimsical. 😆
My stepdad bought a ‘23 Cooper JCW (coming from an N14 Cooper S and an N18 Clubman S) for the exact reasons mentioned in this video. He saw the rapid approach of the death knell for the Mini performance option (and ICE option in general) and knew he had to get in before there wasn’t going to be a fun Mini to accompany his Authi Mini Cooper 1300 anymore.
Not as refined, but a well maintained R56 w/ the N18 engine is one of the best fun:cost ratios out there and makes a great platform for performance mods. This car gets the better engine and nicer interior, but it's also $$$$. You can get a good R56 for sub $10K.
Or even an N18 JCW r56/r55, for a bit over 10k
N18 is the best turbo mini that's reliable period.
F series cars are not minis and lost all it's driving magic
Anyone who has a f series car please try to drive a s or jcw of the previous gen
You'll immediately understand what I'm talking about.
Owner of a 330+whp supercharged 2005 mini Cooper s
Have some videos on my channel
Also a 2013 r55 jcw clubman manual
Best compromise car I think ever made
Dude, loving the STRLGHT drops! 🎶
A Mini that weighs 3600lbs. is more capricious than whimsical.
Well Done.
Finally! Someone reviews this car! There is something special about this car!
As a current Mini owner, I'm surprised at the relative lack of low speed maneuverability of the car considering its size. I have a 3 door Cooper, and it has a bigger turning circle than a Subaru Crosstrek or a Kia Forte. The Clubman is even worse.
Everyone points out the whimsy but thats what the mini sells. The old beetle and maybe the prowler? Were along the same lines of intent and years go by this is what we have left. I like em alot. Good job Chris. Not sure if this your first time in front of the camera but I think your chemistry with Jack works and can be alot more smooth and fluid given time and finding your own "internet persona" keep it up lads!
Guys-the new mini Hatch is also ICE engined and built 1:15 in the UK! Good review of the Clubman BTW!
Just FYI this are all gone, you can't order them anymore. the clubman has officialy ceased production a few months ago. The same could be said for every other current gen mini
i've driven them all and my favourite was the 3 door JCW manual, absolutely brilliant little car
This was the best MINI. AWD 300 hp turbo wagon.
Truly wish I could get one of these before they sunset. Love my 2012 Mini Cooper S hardtop.
I cross shopped this with my Golf R. Your title is spot on. Those were the exact feeling i had walking away. In the end the Golf R was a better value for very similar cars.
All of my local dealers are trying to markup Golf R's even though the refresh is already known to be coming. Typical bait and switch bullshit with "oh we'll do sticker" then show up and they claim they never do sticker, must've been a mistake, blah blah blah. I have visited multiple VW dealers and they've all been pretty similarly scummy so I would go with something else for that reason alone- and the BMW/Mini dealers near me are all pretty pleasant to deal with, minus like one that still thinks mark-ups are a thing.
@@johnl.38the Golf R isn’t special enough for anyone to consider paying a markup for it. Whoever does that is a moron.
Good thing you didnt buy the Mini. I've had the countryman for a year, one of the most unreliable junk I've owned so far.
I loved my R53 until the warranty ran out. Impressively comfortable for me, being 183cm/130kg. BMW engineering and expectations with a lower build quality and high maintenance. Maybe the BEVs will actually make them reliable enough to own long term?
I own a 2022 JCW Clubman and to be honest…it’s just a lot of fun. It rips mountain roads great and makes a nice sound. I don’t like the iDrive at all, very clumsy to use. Pain to use two phones with CarPlay (it sort of guesses which connect). Turbo lag can be super obvious. It is either all-go or no-go. But at the end of the day, brings a smile every time. Great daily along side my 991.2.
The F series Minis are reliable. The Clubman has been around since 2016 and mechanical wise has been the same. The only changes made are some exterior bits and tech features. Before I took a leap on buying the All4 S model, I did research and browsed thru a lot of forums from Clubman owners stating how reliable their Clubmans have been. Of course you have to be on top of the maintenance since this is a BMW under the skin. Mind you, jumping from a Toyota to the Mini brand is a huge leap of faith. But the test drive alone sealed the deal. Like what Jack said, this car has character and makes you smile. And since this is considered a wagon, it’s a huge plus for me because I’m a hot hatch/wagon sort of person. In the seas of SUVs and CUVs, the Clubman stands out and I know design wise it’s subjective but I find the design of this car really attractive.
Love the intro and outro music
I've still got my '07 R56 Cooper S, happy to hear 17 years later they're still fun and the buying motivation is much the same 😄
Completely different car. Drive or just sit in an F56 and you'll understand.
They lost their charm in the f series unfortunately
R56 jcw with the n18 is peak turbo mini especially in Gp2 guise
I'm a huge Mini fan and supporter but not a fan of Clubman at all. Give me a JCW Countryman over this all day. I absolutely love my 2dr hardtop S but wish I did have a JCW. There are several great British YT comparison videos with this and Countryman vs Golf R and similar and a lot preferred the Mini in a lot of ways. Great review and wish you would get your hands on other JCW variants and give them a go.
I have a mini cooper countryman All 4 s , 2023 , mini reliability is now 5or 6th out of 30 manufactures! Much improved over the last few years!
I've also owned the 23 Countryman. Mine had fuel sensor replaced and brake replacement within the first 5k miles. The plastic black trims on the A pillars were also rattling when I traded that junk in.
great review. i have the 1st gen X2 M35i which is pretty much the same car so id imagine it would drive and handle the same!
When you reviewed the BMW X1, with a dual clutch, you were very critical of the lag. You called it a safety issue. This mini, has a dual clutch but you didn’t mention lag. Just curious,
Fun little cars, drove the first gen supercharged one with a manual. Need more cars like this in the usa market
I loved my 2010 R55 Clubman S, never did try this newer gen, looks fun!
Love my 2016 Mini Cooper S Carbon Edition. I take my mini on some of the best twisty canyon roads in the country (Decker Canyon Rd, Yerba Buena, Little Sycamore Canyon, Mulholland) and it is a blast, have Michelin Pilot 4s w/stock suspension, JCW tuner kit & Carbon exhaust from the factory. I’m sure a Golf R, Civic Type R are better cars all around, yes!! I paid $23,000 in 2019 used with 36,000 miles. Having said that I would highly recommend getting a used one as the prices plummet! If buying new I’d go for the Civic:)
A lot of used dealers deliver Minis to my shop. As troublesome as they seem, they are quite endearing.
Correction to Jack: Mini is still making ICE cars. They are just now introducing an updated 2 door hatch and an updated Countryman with ICE engines. Lots of EVs in the pipeline now too.
@japanwatchconnection I dunno, F56 is a pretty good car. The upcoming F66 looks like it should continue to be good since it is just an update. They have moved away from the retro chic of the R50/53 though, is that what has turned you off?
Why was Dr. Goose replaced by Che Guevara?
The biggest thing I took away from the road test section is that it's loud. Tons of impact noise and tons of drone at cruise. I understand it's a JCW "sporty" model, but at the money these command I don't feel it's a particularly necessary compromise.
I dunno. I just can't see spending 50 grand on something with the refinement of a 2001 Kia Sephia with an exhaust leak.
Jack will forever be goated as a result of his clear interest in Vulfpeck
You guys gonna review the new C63? It's over 1000lb heavier than this so I'm morbidly curious to see Mark rip into it like he does with Mercedes EQ vehicles
I've always liked the Clubman design with its double rear doors. Not the most practical thing, but it looks cool to me.
I test drove a Mini several years ago when I was in the market for a new car, but aside from the fact I didn't love it, it was just kind of pricey compared to some of its competitors, which I was more interested in anyway. Still, I'm glad I got to drive one to check it out.
I have a 2020 S. It’s the most fun car I own and it has been 100% reliable. Drive one.
PLEASE review the 2021 Mini JCW GP aka Mini GP3. It has the exact same B48 engine as this but the kicker is that it's 2800 pounds and fwd only. It also has the 8speed Aisin with more agressive tuning than the Clubman has. Also the GP3 has a really good boost by gear system so the launches are great for a fwd.
That interior. Man. 😂
As someone whose first and second cars have both been Mini Clubmans (a 2008 and a 2017), I'm really sad that 2024 is the end of the Clubman as it's far and away my favorite Mini model.
When I have the money, I fully intend to pick up a 2024 Clubman JCW, but unfortunately that's just not in my budget right now even though my 2017 Clubman is paid off.
Jack, this or a Mazda3 Hatchback Turbo (and save a few grand)?
FINALLY! BEEN WAITING FOREVER FOR A REVIEW!
This type of vehicle reminds me of the VW Alltrack. Never understood why the US market hates wagons so much as they tend to keep most of the sporty driving of a sedan with more practicality than most small/medium SUV’s. Would love a gold R wagon or GLI Wagon with the EA888
How did they possibley get that thing to weight 3600 pounds?? Is the chassis made of lead and tungsten?
"vertically efficient" I like it!
Nice to see Chris is in disguise mode…like a commando from the Middle East
I'm going to try and use the word "whimsy" this week whenever I'm in a work meeting. I thank you.
Not your first, you did the SE.
The new Coopers are remaining on this platform or a new EV-only one.
You should review the regular mini Cooper SJCW it would probably feel much more nimble and I’d be interested to see what you guys say about that
I was behind one of these at a traffic light the other day. I was shocked how fast it got out of the hole.
I just wanna say, I feel like these 4 door Minis are sacrilegious something about them just looks off, but for some reason, the Countryman (The SUV Mini) looks absolutely fine to me 🤔 But you know whatever sells is good as long as they keep the original one 😂💖
I absolutely love the look of these things and idk why 😍😍 I wish they were reliable
Just the 3-door JCW is $48,590 in Canada. Eye-watering number. (The 5-door JCW is no longer available.)
Savagegeese is really pushing the limits, just a year ago the thought of us being able to see Jack's imaginary friend was laughable.
Credit to Mini for putting out a fun daily with personality. I would rock this totally and would much rather have this than a bland “sports sedan”.
The driver in me still doesnt get the mini "hud" its literally 3 inches above the normal speedometer, I dont understand the need for it, sure the in-car gps uses it, and some minimal other functions. I have a 2024 Countryman S all4 and I'm just in perm deactivation mode.
I love my f56 6spd jcw. Has the same engine as this, but weighs about 1000lbs less and has the correct transmission😂
When did this thing become a evo/sti from bmw? Love jcws