Mini Clubman vs Countryman - Which is the best ?! [Buyers Guide]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- I've wanted to make this video for a long time. The Countryman and Clubman JCW share much in common but are also very different. If you are in the market for a Mini but need a little more room and practicality which one should you buy ?
I put my 2019 Countryman JCW up against the latest 2021 Countryman JCW in a range of tests...and the result are in !
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I prefer the Countryman. I bought a white one with black rims a couple of weeks ago. She’s a thing of beauty, and a pleasure to drive.
What did it cost
Its good until you get typical BMW 4 wheel drive issues, with unreal repairing costs.
Had me at Countryman when you couldn't fit in the back of the Clubman. Great review. Ordering Countryman this week, LOADED model.
How exciting. You will love it 👍
i need rear seats
My Boss has the Mini Clubman JCW and loves it. He’s now 79 and in the 35 years I’ve worked for him he’s had some crazy cars over the years. He’s had a 944 Turbo SE, Mercedes E500, Bentley Turbo R, BMW 750iL, 964 Carrera 4, then he moved to Australia for a couple of decades. He moved back in the mid 2000s and then the love of minis started with a Cooper S and the rest as they say is history.
I have owned both the Porsche 964 and 993 Carreras. Great every-day sport cars, but impractical for a family of four. I purchased the R55 S / N14 (still have it garaged) and now the R60 JCW, which I bought from a garage in Geneva last January for only CHF 13,900 (about US$15K at the time), included an extra set of winter tires/alloy rims and a 1 year warranty. The R60 JCW was very clean and garage maintained when purchased; fully loaded (Aero kit, navigation, sun roof, all leather, upgraded sound system, 19 in. JCW alloy rims, etc.). This car has been very reliable and does not burn oil...though I do change the oil at twice the recommended frequency (i.e. N18 engine preventative maintenance).
Mini's are addictive. Really fun to drive. EASY to park. Decent on fuel consumption. The All 4 is excellent in the snow. I spruced it up with stripes ($40), chrome caps for the windshield nozzles ($10), real carbon caps for the side mirrors ($60), black faux leather (red stitched) interior floor and cargo liners ($180) [all off of AliExpress] and a red-striped OEM grill I grabbed on eBay($110). I also bought an after-market polished ALU front strut stabilizer bar from a UK dealer on eBay for only $140 (delivered to CH). Silver exterior with black leather interior...the car looks fantastic IMO. For the money, I could not be happier. Forget about the money...I am simply happy with this car.
One just needs to keep the vehicle maintained. I use 98-100 octane petrol, as it is a DFI engine. I also check the oil level after every second fill of the gas tank. I have thought about swapping the vehicle out for a Macan or Panamera...then decided to continue to invest in the R60 JCW. Maybe an after-market rear stabilizer bar, cold-air intake, oil catch-can, upgraded exhaust, engine tune...fun projects for next year. Will do a transmission fluid/filter change within the next three months. At the end of next year, at 95k miles, I will also change out the timing chain/guides, turbo loader, and water pump...that will probably run me another $2500. Still cheap, considering the overall investment in this type of vehicle.
If you buy such a car used, as I have, make sure you have a reliable/trust-worthy local garage to do the maintenance. No sense to use a Mini dealer for maintenance when the car is out of warranty. I only purchase used after an inspection by my mechanic...due diligence is key when buying a used Mini. IMO.
It's so funny you say that I owned a 96 944 s , 08 clubman s and crx but I loved the mini a ton as well
I borrowed a Countryman for a longer term test drive, and them a clubman, and chose the Clubman to have more of the MINI driving experience. Having the lower opening height for the boot was a plus for me too. I have a number of pups and one has had knee issues all her life and for to get in and out is much easier with the Clubman. When I spec out both cars, with the back seats down, the Clubman had just slightly more space than the Countryman, (2021 versions of both cars)
You mentioned the roof rails, My MINI didn’t come with them. There is a retro kit (multiple part numbers) for the Clubman roof rails from MINI. The issue is finding someone brave enough to do the installation. I found a auto collision shop here in Colorado, USA that installed them for me, and I love them!
I have driving my share of cars in my 62 years, and I have to say, I love driving my Clubman the most, and it is not even a JCW, but an S!!
NO WAY...... COUNTRYMAN JCW IS SO CLOSE TO PERFECTION 👍👍👍👍👍
I don’t normally take much interest in the Mini as such as they don’t match my needs but I must admit that this Countryman has a certain look that actually appeals to me. I don’t need the JCW but will certainly take a look at what the 4x4 range has to offer.
I've got the 2021 Countrymen Oxford edition in absolutely love it!!
I live in Spain and drove my Clubman through 12 Spanish disctricts the last two years. Love love love the car. Twin Turbo, barn doors, low ride , spunky and fast and very good seats for long rides.Also love the looks of my Clubman in British Racing Green.
it seems to me you're looking at a bunch of videos of your car haha i saw you on the dutch channel autoweek in the top comments there too.
@@Timotarius_ Yep. My first Mini was a black Cooper in 1976. After Celica, Mazda, Audi, Jeep and Jag XJS I am back with Mini again, now BMW not Morris Mini. Also still looking for a resto mod Celica ST 1974 model, loved that car too.
Excellent review of both cars, reinforces the reason why I bought my mini; I love my Countryman.
I absolutely LOVE my Clubman but have been thinking of swapping to a Countryman for ages as I need something bigger as it’s a bit of a squeeze for two dogs and some luggage. I’m so glad to hear it still has the go-kart feel, that’s helped me decide. Thanks!
My pleasure 👍
Thoroughly enjoyed your review. Thank you!
I want a Countryman... I always have!
A lot of good comparison's covered👍. I like the rear hatch on the Countryman & the black & red paintwork.
I have re entry become a fan of your channel as the JCW All4 Clubman is on my wishlist. This video was a superb comparo of these 2 Minis and extremely informative. Thank you for the time spent and looking to see more content from you on Minis.
This was the most informative review I have seen on these 2 models...I am sold on the Clubman!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Great video. Just bought a 2021 Countryman JCW and it puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel 😁
Ace aren’t they 👍
Great review again Peter 😎 still struggling with Corona but haven’t put the JWC Countryman out of sight
Love the reviews! I had this conundrum. We now have a 2019 Countryman JCW in our garage. Love it. We can fit the four pups (and the wife) :). My bike fits in back also! Good stuff. Every time I start her up it brings a smile to my face. But, I do love my 2019 GTI. It is APR stage 1 (300hp, 320 torque). I am torn between both. BTW, if you are ever on this side of the pond and want to borrow my GTI, we have our own “Tail of the Dragon” in the North Carolina mountains. BD in NC
Thank you so much for this video. I had a test drive in both hybrid and the 2L Countryman and am driving the 2L Clubman this week. Not sure I can stretch to the JCW much as I’d love to. After the test drive of the Clubman I’ll make the decision which I’ll buy. Thanks again. I love your channel.
Are you buying new or used ? Both brilliant cars 👍
I am heading over to the Mini dealership today and have been debating over the clubman or countryman. Clubman has captured my heart!!! Thanks for an incredible and well made review and video.
Good luck 👍
Picked up our Clubman JCW on Thursday...We're in LOVE!
Mega cars 👍
Thanks for the comparison. It’s always been my battle to figure out which one I’d get. I’m leaning towards clubman!
Why the battle? Just look at them. How could you even consider a Countryman?
just came across your channel and you thoroughly convinced me to buy the Clubman Works. Love from Austria
That’s awesome 👏
Thanks for this detailed comparison. I tested both the Clubman and the Countryman thinking I'd like the Countryman more. But I picked the Clubman in a manual for the lower seat position and the fun of really driving the car.
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Clubman is epic. Good to see a 0-60 test.
Love my Countryman... Handled beautifully along the Rocky Mountain switchbacks of Wyoming... but your video inspired me to check out the Clubman.
Fantastic video once again. A thorough comparison! Clubman for me though👍
Love your Channel! Good comparison!
You might want to change this bit in the description; 'I put my 2019 Countryman JCW up against the latest 2021 Countryman JCW in a range of tests...and the result are in !'
I bought a new JCW CM all4 in 2018 from St Louis Mini. I loved the car. Then, in 2020, I bought a new 2020 JCW CM all4, which I still have. It only had 27K, so it is still in excellent condition. I wanted to test drive a new Clubman in 2022 while my car was being serviced. Everything was good until I couldn't find my car insurance so they wouldn't allow me to test it. I have been driving Minis since 1968 I bought my first one in Northern Italy. I intend to continue driving Minis until I can no longer handle a car safely. I hope that means another 75 years or so. I have the only JCW in Cape Girardeau; people love looking at it. It is White with Red Top and stripes on the hood and side!.
I’m as happy as a mouse in a cheese factory. Contented as a Carnation cow.
I’m ready to get the 2024 or 2025 now. I may try the JCW Clubman, though.
Live strong and prosper.
Really balanced and helpful review. Great work, thanks 🙂
My pleasure 👍
I've had both, Clubman all the way for me.
Im want to buy clubman im student I don’t have much money for problems does it worth to buy its not the s one thanks
One of your best comparison tests so far 👍
Thanks 👍
Agreed!
Always hated these, until today.....I’ve ordered a cooper S Sport clubman as my company car....stunning car! I’ve always been an R50 guy and laughed at these for their ‘mini’ size in comparison, but I’m converted now and glad that I am.....great reviews mate!
Your mini F series content is why I got my first 2 door hardtop and now my first clubman JCW. It's unfortunate Charlie bit the dust but I am still a big fan of all your content and mainly your old mini/ fiat content!
Thanks Edward 👍
Great video and review i really enjoyed that, i think i'd be happy and able to live with either of the cars as they are so similar but as you say there are enough small differences to make it easy to choose depending on your particular needs, i guess i'd class myself as somewhere inbetween as i drive a Paceman jcw which for a lot of people is a bit marmite but it does what i need. :)
Great video and review as always Pete. I’m not looking to change car but still watched this all the way through 👍 😁
Great to hear 👍
I absolutely love my Clubman, but it’s clear to see if I ever needed to get something a bit more spacious that it wouldn’t be a massive sacrifice going into the Countryman.
Thanks- I really enjoy the channel and the reviews, really entertaining and interesting!
Thanks mate 👍
Nice comparison, PP! The better head and legroom sold me on my '20 Countryman JCW over the Clubman. I have a very long torso, so most cars don't fit me. It is the *only* car with a sunroof/moonroof I have ever been able to fit in comfortably. I also managed to fit a large-sized Specialized Roll sportbike in the rear by turning the front wheel/handlebars 90 degrees. It's a tight fit, but it works. I agree about the analog driver binnacle vs. the digital. I'm seriously thinking about the Remus exhaust though after I upgrade to the Michelin PS4s. On my local MINI club runs on b-roads, I have yet to be left in any other MINI's dust. ;-) I cannot help but grin ear-to-ear every time I sit behind the wheel of my Countryman, and it is definitely my favorite car I've ever owned. It drives like a much smaller car, but with a comfortable ride and great utility in the back seat and boot.
Love this 👌
Clubman drive may be better but I need more space so I am getting a Countryman! Your comparison of the two is excellent though and incredibly helpful!
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Love it. And the bike test; that’s my main requirement.
Great video Pete, the wife and I were in stitches watching you trying to get in the back of your car.Obviously not a back seat driver.
LOL 😂
Great comparison Pete.
Very interesting to see these side by side.
Have to agree with your summation too.
Cheers Derek 👍
Thank you for making this video! I found all of the information super helpful.
My pleasure 👍
Great video! Love the rear doors of the Clubman, but needed the extra room of the Countryman to accommodate my two 6' sons. I have an F60 S All4 manual and love it. Definitely need to test drive a JCW.
Thanks 👍
Never had or been in either, but have to say the Countryman seems a more "practical " choice, but like you good self, I feel the sitting low in any min gives you that more connected feeling, making it more a drivers car. Great comparison review ped.
Good comparison, esp the rear space. We have a countryman and going to upgrade soon to a facelift Cooper s. we were looking at the clubman instead but less rear space wouldn’t work. Thanks!
Nice review! I have both... I own a 2013 Clubman for my lonely rides alone and I have a 2023 Countryman for the family... Perfect combo!
Nice 👌
What a fantastic video. Never watched you before but so well presented.
Thanks Baz. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Well, I watched, I tried NOT to have preconceived ideas, but dammit the Clubman is such a handsome beast compared to the bloater Countryman, its still Clubman all day long for me!
LOL 😂
Agree!
I love the bloatiness of the Countryman, it works well with the design language unlike Fiat’s 500L neo-multipla design
Great journalism Pete, very swish editing! Love Charlie. Ruby is my favourite. Love to Mrs. Ped and fuss to the Ped Pups
Thanks Paul 👍
Great comparison video! Clubman's definitely the stand out between the two. Take care and stay safe!
Cheers 👍
I know that hill! 😂
Love the look (and sound) of the clubman. Would love one of those!
Hi Pete
Great video mate love how you put it all together
I love the countryman love the new front-end with the new lights really nice 👍 👍👍👍
Cheers Bud 👍
Countryman all day long 😎 Great buying guide. Thanks for making this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video ped. Keep up the good work
Thanks 👍
I think the Countryman is probably better for a long road trip, which is why I have been eyeballing it. Great video, thanks!
Probably. More space and a slightly better ride 👍
I do love the look and the colour of the Clubman but I love the height of my Countryman. I want to have a try of the Clubman just to compare. Loved the comparison thanks 😊
Thanks Natasha. You should try and get a drive in the Clubman. I’m sure you’d enjoy it 👍
We're in the process of buying a 2019 Clubman JCW, largely based on your reviews, especially your trip to Bruges! After lots of research and searching, I managed to find one with lots of extras at a great price. No roof bars but surprisingly very few seem to have them fitted! I thought being more of a family sized car, more would have them. Aesthetically they look great too. Ah well. Thanks for your video's, really enjoy watching them!
Hi Helen. This is great to hear. That was a fun trip. I had the same problem when I bought mine. I’d find a car with perfect spec and no roof rails 😢
@@PetrolPed you found yours eventually though! Hurray! I’m so looking forward to getting ours 😊
You promised a review and you delivered! I think I'd need to go to BMW Cotswolds and see if they have any Cooper All 4's / JCW for both cars and have a bit of a blatt down the B road circuits around there. I think my money would be going on the F60
I've had a Love affair with the Clubman for many years never owned one though. But now I'm in the midst of trying to acquire a 2019 countrymen JCW and from all the reviews I've seen it's going to be a great car I've had test drives with it and I really think it's going to reflect my personality. I also like how you did a comparison between a stock vehicle and a slightly modified vehicle. And made it seem so fair great comparison.
having owned and loved my F54 clubman for a few years now, the choice for me is a no brainer. the Clubman is the finest vehicle i have ever had the pleasure to own. this one is on rails at over 100mph down the old river road along the Mississippi in south La every weekend. the rarity and performance of my green goblin always gets a nod of approval and some healthy respect from the U.S. muscle monsters out here also. Not to shabby from the little MINI that can.....
Best car I’ve owned too 👍
Your review is lovely and hilarious! Thanks for the good information. Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Great video. Very tempted to change to one of these. I almost had an JCW countryman as a courtesy car 2 weeks ago. Ended up with an auto 21 plate Clubman S. Never driven an auto before. Was fun kangarooing it out of the dealership (didn't tell me about the brakes being very responsive)😂. Way more comfortable than my 3dr f56 Cooper Sport.
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Great comparison btw! Thumbs up!)
I have been in-and-out of a Mini dealership for the last 3 weeks negotiating for a 2017 clubman JCW due to it's condition. then last weekend, I test drove a Countryman S. LOVE the clubman JCW!If it were ONLY FOR ME, Clubman JCW ALL4 due to it's power delivery, well planted driving dynamics and nearly fully loaded of options. But since my significant other states she's 50-50 (since she'll be driving it more).... I borrowed a 2019 Countryman S (fairly optioned) and show it to her, she preferred that. Over all for practicality, space,etc... Picking up a 2019 Countryman S ALL4 2 days from now
Great filming and editing Ped.👏👍
Thanks 👍
Thank you for this comparison. It was really helpful.
My pleasure 👍
Great comparison test Pedro. Ive mentioned this before, but again there was some brilliant editing going on here, loved the fast music cue. As for my choice! It’s so difficult, I really love both but for different reasons. I think the F54 just pinches it because she looks sleeker, but without the mudflaps🤔
Thanks Graham. I enjoyed making this one 👍
Great review. Would have been nice to compare boot sizes with cases or similar, for those of us who need to carry 4. Also, I can't live with the headlights on the countryman. Sad to learn of the limited rear legroom and the driver's view in the Clubman. Prefer a more elevated position for my wife, who currently is happy in a Golf SV (the newer Golf Plus).
Interesting Pete, another comprehensive review. I have driven a countryman (only a Cooper) as a lone car, and I was quite impressed generally.
I was also offered a test drive in a JCW countryman when I ordered my Clubbie as they didn’t have one of those to test, but I declined.
I knew how special the new JCW Clubbie was going to be and I certainly wasn’t disappointed. The extra space in the Clubbie compared to my previous hatch is like a barn to me and very useful so I’m more than happy.
As previously mentioned somewhere, I have the adaptive dampers on mine and on normal setting they give a ready good ride. In sports mode they stiffen up to give a firmer ride but this is still very comfortable unless you hit a potholed road at town speeds.
I drive from 30 miles Brighton to Chichester and back every day to and from work. In the mornings it’s usually mid mode from the trip with the occasional blast in sport mode. Coming home 90`% of the time it’s in sports mode with dynamic traction switched on😜, easily drivable in town and all the way home. Quite often my route changes to go through Amberley, Storrington , Steyning and down past the cement works to the flyover. I love my Clubbie 🤗
The only thing that is frustrating my is the fitting of a rear dashcam. Easy on the hatchbacks but I cannot seem to find the best way of installing one on the Clubbie.
The barn doors swing away from the body as they open so it’s not easy to route the cables.
How about looking into this and doing a feature just for me-it would really help if I could find a solution (beg, beg, grovel..etc).
Love your vids mate, always a pleasure to watch.....(that’s another grovel).😂👍
Thanks for this. I’ll have a think about dash cam. Not something I’ve ever really thought about 👍
@@PetrolPed I’ve always fitted them to my cars in the last few years. Had them on every one of my 4 Mini’s.
Most people only fit front facing ones, but I tend to fit a rear facing one as well. However, as mentioned the barn doors on the Clubbie has presented a challenge that I haven’t overcome yet.
In your world you may have come across some expert installers of such things perhaps....?
Best wishes, Mark
I think you are one of the best motoring journalist out there
Wow thank you 🙏🏻
I’ve been waiting for this review. I own a 2020 JCW Clubman and I’ve driven the 2020 JCW Countryman. If I did a vlog I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t have concluded the same. Excellent review! 👍
Was it dark when you picked up the Countryman? Or did you just not look at it?
@@grahamlake9728 huh?
Wasn’t sure if you were preferring the Countryman! Such an ugly brute (the car, that is)!
@@grahamlake9728 nope. I agreed with Pete. Prefer Clubman which is why I own one. But I don’t think the Countryman is ugly at all. I just prefer the Clubman. Mind you it’s different for a MINI. To each their own.
If I wanted a small SUV I would pick the Countryman...
Love the look (and sound) of your Mini. Personally I'm not a big fan of the JCW versions since they took them in house but performance is good.
Thank you for doing this review, Just purchased a Countryman vs a Clubman from the dealership based on your review. Need more cargo space.
Great to hear. Congrats on the new car 👍
Flaps.... made me chuckle, waiting for the comments :) Watching you getting into your clubman... Very funny!!! Seeing two of you next to each other on the same screen, that's a bit freaky. Really enjoyed this vid, contrast and compare. VG Well done.... Oh and Clubman for me, because it's all about the drive.... :)
Thanks Dan. I loved making this one. The edit was a challenge at times 😂
The Countryman presents a very good packaging design! Impressive
Clubman is what I'd go for! I own (and love) a 2005 hatch. The 6-door one will probably be my next one!
I just ordered a 2022 JCW Clubman last week and am doing the waiting game now. Your love affair with Charlie helped me to pull the trigger for the JCW option.
This is amazing 👍
Class act, an excellent review and very helpful 👍👍
Thanks 🙏🏻
Surprised by the difference in passenger leg room but Charlie every time for me. Loved the format and thoroughly enjoyed the vlog. Hugs for Darcy, cuddles for Hallie.
Cheers Tim. Darcey back to normal now 👍
Great Video, love my Clubman too❤️always enjoy your content, Happy Holidays, take care, Petrol aped, Aloha Kenneth
Thanks for a great couple of videos on the Countryman. Ordered one on Sunday - roll on January 👍
Ps. I added the red stripes and panoramic roof 🤣👍
Nice 👍
When more Minis become pure EVs which seems to be sooner rather than later the Clubman/Countryman distinction might become somewhat different! Within BMW there are ideas of bringing back the Morris name (and even Wolseley) all as EVs, but that is a different story. People don´t seem to understand that a lot of focus is now directed towards designing cars completely without steering wheels (which will eventually obtain a similar status as the crank handle!).
I just ordered a JCW Clubman. I'm not planning on modifying it to the extent you do to yours, but can't wait for it to arrive. One of my previous cars was a Clubman S All4. It was easily my favorite car for long distance drives, looking forward to getting back into something similar! Just a little disappointed I have to trade in my JCW Coupe to do it, but I'll still have my MC40 for a weekend car.
And I've also had a plugin hybrid Countryman. While neither of my previous big MINIs are the same as these 2 300hp MINIs, I knew you'd end by saying you still prefer your Clubman. They're just more fun all around than the Countryman! Better looking, too.
They don’t really need mods. Perfect out the wrapper 👌😜
Always great videos. As for this particular video. I love the clubman. My wife has the three door JCW. I have a Volvo v60 ( old model ) Get my race bikes in no bother. I fancy getting a clubman though .
I’ll take the Clubman with the Countryman facia
Recently drove a countryman when my clubman was in for a service. Like you say bit more practical for getting lots of stuff in. That said, I still love my clubman. Better driving feel, as you said, you feel like your sat in the clubman and not on it, like the Countryman.
Very good review nice to see side-by-side you should do more of these excellent work
I’d love to. It’s just getting the cars together 👍
Many thanks for the review much appreciated
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Countryman probably for me ,thanks for the content 👍👍👍💪
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It's amazing how a simple change of tires can transform a vehicle and the Pilot Sport 4's are such a good tire!!
Oh yes 👍
I got the countryman as it’s better all rounder for speed camera Britain plus it’s my retirement car
Great video! Seems like your microphone is peaking quite alot in this video apart from that keep up the good work!
Brilliant review. My wife has just bought a Countryman JCW , it's fantastic, looks the dogs nuts, practical and is very nippy, great car.
Cool car 👍
Great Content! Answered my questions! New subscriber!! 😁
Awesome. Thanks for the Sub and welcome to the channel 👍
My girlfriends 2010 R56 Diesel manual (yea, yawn) just clocked 500,000 Km (310,000 mi) and still on the original clutch, pump, injectors, turbo. Blows my mind. A CEL came on at 400,000km and BMW Au had to email Germany to find out what the code meant. Ended up being some service thing. When they asked BMW why this code isn't listed they said no one ever expected anyone to actually go that far. 🤣 We're thinking it might just be the highest mileage R56 on the planet now.
Earliest I’ve ever been to watch a Friday vid!
Yay 😀
We ordered and just took delivery for 2022 Clubman in racing green with silver roof + strips, Mrs loves the car!!
Very nice 👌
Excellent review bud, Clubman👍
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Interesting vid,nicely done.If I had the choice it would be the Clubman for me.
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Great review. 👍. Two very similar cars. We run a Clubman as a daily and love it. Great driving position and handles great. The base Cooper could do with more power though. One of our esteemed members tells us the Countryman JCW runs better on 18’s than 19’s 👍👍
Thanks Guys 👍