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B roll is a helluva drug. Seriously though the website only has 3d renders and optimum only really shows the silver version on his review so was hoping to see some better shots of the black version here. No big issue I’m sure we’ll also see much more soon but some nice b roll would of been swell
@@adpt_music that's the worst kind of advise to give someone interested in a ncase case. There is some kind of tradition at ncase to show their cases, especially the ones in dark color, in a way so you can't say how they actually look like. Its the same with every release. If you ever had bought one, you would know that.
Good stuff, bought a CH160 based on your review and been very happy with my new setup, even front intake traditional cooling its very cool and silent with a 4070 super. I love how thorough you are and show complete builds without just skipping (very helpful to newbies!).
Thanks for this. Having recently upgraded some of the components in my M1 I've been struggling with temps. With a 5700X3d (Noctua C14) and 4070 Super, even with a deshroud mod on the 4070 (2 * Noctua A12-25 intake) I've been hitting hotspots on the GPU of 90C+. The only way of taming temps has been to turn my case on its side; which dropped 10C. Having seen this review I'll be getting an M2 and going inverted.
No, the C4 is only inverted meanwhile M2 has standard & flipped while being able to support full length 4090s, mATX boards, and ATX PSUs. There's nothing "basically" about that.
@@Athasin for true SFF they are very similar is what I was meant. I would dare say that most who build SFF are not going to get the largest 4090 variants. look at optimum's video. His inverted build uses all components that work perfectly in the C4-SFX. Hopefully this will be more widely available but looking at the current ship dates I have my doubts on that
@@bearzilla2462Maybe, but it's better to get many opinions. Instead of criticizing a non-issue, perhaps you should appreciate both for what they are. This is a very good video that stands besides optimum's video, not beneath it.
Good job on checking the frequencies during the performance testing instead of just the temperatures. I would suggest including some benchmark results also, since this is all that matters.
Is the M2 periodic maintenence friendly, I live in a dusty area, I plan to use an AIO but dust will still inevitably acccumulate so can't avoid periodic cleaning.
Thank you for your video. After watching it, I decided to order one as well. In your video, you mentioned the issue of interference between the psu cable and the front panel IO connectors. However, after looking at the build examples provided on the NCASE website, in both the Level 1 and Level 5 configurations, the psu is not close to the front IO panel. Based on this, I speculate that either the IO connectors do not rely on the power bracket and front panel for mounting, or an additional power bracket was used to secure the front IO connectors in these two configurations.
I only had to use the IO bracket for further reinforcement in the flipped/inverted config- other configs will not be adjacent to the front IO. I am told that something is changing in the production version though, so will update when I see the change!
@@MachinesMore Thank you. Today, I watched that part of your video again and realized that my initial understanding was incorrect. In fact, in the inverted mode, the power supply bracket needs to rely on the front I/O panel for support, not the other way around. The inverted installation and mATX support are significant selling points for this case, and Level 1 listed on the NCASE website reflects this. I believe they should address this issue.
@@MachinesMore Today, NCASE released an installation guide video. Through the video, I finally understood why NCASE believes there is no conflict between the power supply interface and the front panel I/O. The position of the power connector on the SF1000L used in the video is different from the SFX V1000 in your video. Since it's difficult to define left and right, in short, the power interface of the SF1000L is on the side closer to the motherboard tray, while the SFX V1000's is on the side further from the motherboard tray. Therefore, it might conflict with the front panel I/O.
@@MachinesMore I received the case I pre-ordered and, to my dismay, discovered that NCASE indeed addressed the issue. However, they did so by removing the passthrough port, plugging the front panel port with plastic, and updating the product page to change from 2A2C to 2A1C. Sigh... Regardless, the quality of your video is excellent.
Hallo @MachinesMore, I really wonder:The D12L is asymmetrical. Is there any measurable difference in temperatures or noise depending on which side the block with the larger fins is facing? In a classic layout with rear exhaust I guess the larger fins would naturally be facing the rear or the case. But if I switch to rear intake, would it be better to only turn around the fan or should I turn around the whole cooler block, so that the part with the larger fins is facing the inside of the case? Did you every try this out?
@@MachinesMore well from a distance it’s good but the gaps are a bit inconsistent and I have one between the rear panel and side panel on the CPU side that’s really distracting. It’s probably an issue with this unit. The quick release latch and on the GPU side collides with my 4080S FE, which I fixed by 3D printing a low profile latch. I have some rough areas of anodized finish inside the side panel but can be overlooked seeing that you rarely open the side panels, unless you’re me. My biggest gripe is its lack of liquid cooling support while being bigger than the FormD T1. Having just 1 case fan is also hard to justify, especially seeing that you have to install the motherboard upside down playing the top of the cooler further down from the top of the case. For me this creates a pocket of warm air right near the m.2 slot. It could’ve really used a second case fan. The T1 can fit two T-30s. I think the case is beautiful and is designed well in that aspect but it just falls short in some critical areas for me. Usually Ncase are slightly too big for me but I think I can find some ways to fill the case, empty unused space is my pet peeve.
Thanks for the detailed review, many of your shots are helping me plan by build out. Do you think 140mm slim fans would fit above the GPU in the config you built in (rather than the 120mm)? It looks like they may interfere with the mATX MOBO?
The NCASE M2 is a premium alternative to the Cooler Master Nr200. Its 15.4L, while the Nr200 is 18L. It will still fit large gpus because of the thinner, yet sturdier, materials. The NCASE M2 will save more space, have more versatility with different components than the Nr200, look, and perform better too. It's definitely a worthy upgrade for a case option.
I'm so excited for this. I passed on the M1 because it seemed a little dated, and a few of the cons didn't seem worth it for me in 2024. That said, the M1 evo didn't seem to be a significant enough upgrade for me to jump on it. Now, the M2's new features/fixes, and price have got me sold! All I want to know now is whether I have to order ALL of the things separately like PSU bracket, riser, and all of the other things. I just wanna know what comes in the box so I don't double order things and have to return things. So looking forward to this. It should be here right around my birthday, so I'll schedule a rebuild for then. And to think, I had just cracked open my Lian Li A3.
nice video! not sure about the math, but i think another inch in width would allow for stock air coolers. that might also allow for better psu placement and cable management. i'm looking to do my last build and every case is either too big or too small or just looks like cra*! this could be a great case for itx and matx builds. nice to see no glass panel. cheers!
I see it has passthroughs for external radiator. That is what I am interested in. My PNY RTx 4090 with alphacool core 1 block is 145.5mm wide though. Will it fit?
Could you please do a video featuring the matx build options? This feature is really appealing to me, as i play DCS World flight sim, which requires a ton of rear i/o. I've been using a usb hub with my itx board to remedy this, but I truly detest the hub being on my desk. I think this feature is what really sets this case apart from other sff cases, so it would be nice to see a more granular look at it. That gigabyte board you used in this video is the one I've been looking at using for a matx build, but I'd rather keep it sff if possible. I'm currently in an M1 v6.1, and I've enjoyed it for years with a couple different builds.
@MachinesMore It takes keyboard and mouse, flight stick and throttle, head tracking, dedicated usb for my wired headset dac power. So like 6 or 7, but I don't want to have to unplug my monitor's usb hub (keyboard and mouse for the cost of one rear usb port), my wireless headset dongle, or my speakers' usb power, so I'll end up needing like 7 or 8 from the rear total (I may be forgetting something). As you know, not many itx boards can accommodate this.
@horusmorus5588 I've got it used up already. I know I can make itx work, been doing it for years. It'd just be nice to be able to have a spot for anything I want to plug in
Wouldn't the Noctua C14S heatsink with a side mounted 140mm P14 Max fan or 120mm T30 fan be the best heatsink for this case like it was in your NR200 videos? The C14S in that setup tied or beat the much more powerful Noctua U12A in your tests so wouldn't it leave the smaller D12L in the dust? With the C4-SFX case you could install the side bracket fan when using the D12L so you could use the D12L intake combined with a P14 Max side bracket fan for CPU / GPU exhaust, but the NCASE M2 loses the ability to install the side bracket fan when the D12L is installed? So I like the D12L, but it really seems like a less than ideal fit for this case - likely to perform worse than the C14S temperature wise while also giving up the side bracket CPU / GPU exhaust fan? Using a shorter Peerless Assassin Mini with a side bracket mounted P14 Max CPU / GPU exhaust fan or a 280 AIO also seem like good options. Can't wait to watch your NCASE M2 build guide!
to avoid making a V2 soon, ncase should just adjust the width slightly since Nvidia insists on using such a power connector, plus they would also be upgrading air cooling to around 155mm
Isn't the SSUPD Meshroom S just as Compatible, maybe even more than the NCase M2? The Size is fairly similar too, would love to see a comparison Video even if the Case layout is totally different.
Wonder if I could transfer my NR200 build into this case. I have an MSI Gaming X Trio 4090 which is a rather large card and just barely fit into the NR200.
Everything looks sweet, yet again their website claims that the case fits an 148mm Wide GPU , while I saw u and optimum struggling a bit with the Cable of the GPU.. So… I was planning to use my EKWB Waterblock together with Scalar2 for SFF terminal that would make it a 144mm Waterblock and fit it in , but now I’m confused 😕
I am! A big difference (unless something changes with the R1) is board compatibility and to a larger extent compatibility in general. The M2 just supports more and allows more flexibility.
Just got my flat packed case and mocking up assembly to do a flipped config. I don't seem to have the same front panel bracket as you, in fact the front panel io assembly looks pretty different from what's sent to me. Any idea what's going on? Your assembly looks more like what came on my m1 (from what I can remember before I disassembled it).
Just wondering between this ncase M2 and ssupd meshroom. What would everyone be picking if you have bigger graphic cards like Rtx 4080 supreme x or asus strix 4080?
Could You please try to check if mATX mobo will fit with AIO on the top ? Can be any slim 240mm. I have M1 Evo but it last about 5mm because of the Memory interference..
I was able to fit a single top fan at the top of the classic/upright setup with mATX board. With the standard round feet you will find minimal benefit from running fans adjacent to the bottom.
If you're willing to buy an extra M2 Fan Bracket, then get this. It'll allow for a 120mm side exhaust fan which is optimal for air cooling. If you're not and the space saving isn't that important to your setup, then go for the A3 and put those saved dollars towards better GPU or other components
Not with an mATX unfortunately. When I tested top rad with the M1EVO I recall it required vertical GPU since the mini ITX board had to be pushed down too low to fit the GPU at the bottom.
wow, NCase really put it up a notch! I originally wanted to build my pc in the fractal terra mini, but this case is awesome :o Just gonna change my peerless assasin to the peerless assasin mini and throw in two extra case fans, but the rest can stay the same. What a nice case and build guide :)
@@Schluggaluggas W360 is the singular constant behind a number of high profile SFF Case releases, dramas, and failures in the past several years. The earliest I can recall hearing about is that with SSUPD, where he assisted with design of the Meshlicious and now its been caught in legal drama, leading SSUPD to rename it the Meshroom and him to iterate on the design for the FF1 with Lian Li. Before that, he got involved with 3FC, the designer of the FormD T1, and assisted with funding marketing and planning, but more recently wanted to end production of the case because the profits weren't there, leading to drama between him and 3FC. The pair has now split, with 3FC still selling the original 2.1 version, and W360 taking his copy to a lower tier factory and rebranding it the "Ncase FormD T1 2.5" - it's the same case with minor half-baked changes with lower QC and quality. Lastly and most recently, he was also partnered with Necere, the designer of the Ncase M1 V1-V6, and tried to merge the case with the design sensibilities and flatpak priorities of the FormD T1, and came out with the Ncase M1 Evo, which wasn't wide enough to support many of the most popular modern GPUs in reference mode despite being marketed as doing so. Since that whole fiasco - which still hasn't been corrected - Necere has left Ncase (his own company) and is no longer partnered with W360, who has rebranded the M1 Evo update as the M2 to get around any promises made to give discounts to people who were burned by the misleading marketing of the M1 Evo V1. .... That's the simplified version - but he also tried to scape the entire SFF Gurus discord for AI data which lead to a mass exodus of the server to a new server, among other shady things.
You also have the upcoming Louqe Ghost R1 that is 2l bigger but doesn't support mATX. It is also more money at $218 pre order price and $272 regular price. Makes the M2 look like a bargain.
It's too bad the angled front panel is gone, I thought it gave the case more personality, now it's just another mesh box. And the layout of the front I/O triggers me, I'd much rather the 2 type-A ports were on one side and 2 type-c ports on the other, this way it looks silly imo, but that's just me.
Different size and user base segments. If you are fine with the A3 dimensions then the price is really good for what you get. The M2 has higher quality and lower volume while enabling a lot of space efficiency, it's still a boutique case, just being offered at a lower price than we usually see.
Nah - W360 said he'd give a discount on the Evo V2 because if the issues people had with V1 - this is just him being slimy and going back on his word. @@linksh0t263
@@linksh0t263nah, w 3 6 0 just named it this to avoiding making good on people who were misled into buying the M1 Evo V1. (I replied to you earlier but my comments mysteriously seem to be getting removed.)
Very similar. The biggest difference I would consider would be cooling- for T1 a 240 would be disproportionately better than the small top down coolers, whereas with the M2 the air cooling can be a much more compelling and cost effective option, even though a 240/280 would still be better thermals wise.
You could in theory still fit a 92mm fan there but the cabling got in the way, plus there wasn’t a good mounting point. So yes, absolutely mini ITX for max fan compatibility.
You could always use a dremel to enlarge the holes to fit the aircooler heat pipes through the side panel bracket so you could install a side fan as well. Destructive, I know but could prove to be quite useful and clean!
One con for me would be the lack of dust filtering in a case like this , the fact that it is aluminium makes it even harder. But great case overall would like to try a itx mainboard with deshroud gpu mod in it :D
What's the tolerance with the side fan bracket and the d12L? I'm guessing you could still use a side exhaust fan with the matx if you went with a shorter cooler like the u9s?
@@MachinesMore Fantastic. I grabbed the u9s and was going to build in the m1 evo but held off when I found out the v2/m2 was coming. Pretty stoked for this case, been watching your videos on the m1 evo and v2 and m2 practically on repeat.
With the directional exhaust from the FE cards it tends to be a big penalty for the CPU cooling. It’s just that the cooler is so close to the flow through section. With a side exhausting card I can see the rear exhaust being a choice.
@@MachinesMore With the asymmetry of the D12L and even Noctua saying fans pushing is more effective, I think you’d want the best airflow over the larger portion of the cooler. The fan is not sealed against the heatsink on the intake side causes inefficiencies for heat transfer. I was just wondering if you had numbers for that. Thanks for the review either way!
Just got mine - the build quality and sturdiness are exceptional. It’s cnc aluminum and feels like a brick all around. Great build, definitely not thin wire.
looking at this timestamp: th-cam.com/video/7hgKHywgjsE/w-d-xo.html if i'm interpreting this correctly, at this "ideal" psu mounting spot with a 3 point mount, there is no place to plug in the psu cable between the psu and top panel? am i correct? that would be a huge design flaw imo.
it's really nice imo, it feels satisfying to click, not mushy like some other cases and it's the perfect size so it fits snugly in it's slot without wobbling
I think it comes down to if you want mATX compatibility. If not then Cooler Master NR200 would be my top pick for a first build- it’s much easier to build in.
can someone explain the hype around putting micro ATX motherboards in ITX cases? Seems like backwards thinking to me when you're paying equally the same amount of money for anything decent (B series or Z series/ X series). I heard someone suggest the availability which i guess makes sense but that doesnt seem like a convincing enough reason when itx board are obtainable enough.
Man i really want one now!! Still don't know why would you want to do the inverted build, so many downsides... inverted PSU, only positive air pressure etc etc...
The inverted build wouldn’t necessarily be a worse airflow setup vs an upright/classic build. In a case like this where ventilation is ample, there are a lot of configs that will work. My primary concern specific to the test build was not forcing the cooler to take in exhaust directly. With a different type of card a rear exhaust wouldn’t be a bad option either.
Even though this case supports mATX, there are way better mITX boards available than mATX. Most mATX boards lack alot of good components (e.g onboard soundchip, wlan, max ram-speed etc). If you compare the "best" boards of mATX vs "best" boards of mITX, you often have a 1:2 selectionlist, maybe with SFF going to support mATX future vendors will focus on more enthusiasts boards in this size :)
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My brother in Christ, please have a few shots of the case fully assembled. I could only see parts of the case the entire video.
My brother in christ, please watch the video as he says he’ll do a full assembly video later
Jesus, he managed to make a half an hour video without showing how the case actually looks like. That feels like an achievement.
Buy the case yourself or look at the website.
B roll is a helluva drug. Seriously though the website only has 3d renders and optimum only really shows the silver version on his review so was hoping to see some better shots of the black version here. No big issue I’m sure we’ll also see much more soon but some nice b roll would of been swell
@@adpt_music that's the worst kind of advise to give someone interested in a ncase case. There is some kind of tradition at ncase to show their cases, especially the ones in dark color, in a way so you can't say how they actually look like. Its the same with every release. If you ever had bought one, you would know that.
Good stuff, bought a CH160 based on your review and been very happy with my new setup, even front intake traditional cooling its very cool and silent with a 4070 super.
I love how thorough you are and show complete builds without just skipping (very helpful to newbies!).
Thanks for this. Having recently upgraded some of the components in my M1 I've been struggling with temps. With a 5700X3d (Noctua C14) and 4070 Super, even with a deshroud mod on the 4070 (2 * Noctua A12-25 intake) I've been hitting hotspots on the GPU of 90C+. The only way of taming temps has been to turn my case on its side; which dropped 10C. Having seen this review I'll be getting an M2 and going inverted.
Nicely done. Thanks for showing the air cooled setup.
so its basically just like the Dan C4-SFX but a little larger. That inverted orientation is almost identical to C4-SFX
Its perfect. I've been waiting for something like it
OG M1 was a thing years before the C4.
@@svn5994oh for sure but this new version has many similarities
No, the C4 is only inverted meanwhile M2 has standard & flipped while being able to support full length 4090s, mATX boards, and ATX PSUs. There's nothing "basically" about that.
@@Athasin for true SFF they are very similar is what I was meant. I would dare say that most who build SFF are not going to get the largest 4090 variants. look at optimum's video. His inverted build uses all components that work perfectly in the C4-SFX. Hopefully this will be more widely available but looking at the current ship dates I have my doubts on that
Optimum & you dropping a vid on the same day! Couldn't have a better start to the day.
Optimum has much clearer videography
@@bearzilla2462Maybe, but it's better to get many opinions. Instead of criticizing a non-issue, perhaps you should appreciate both for what they are.
This is a very good video that stands besides optimum's video, not beneath it.
@@bearzilla2462 Who cares? Those cases are never available, what is the point...
Good job on checking the frequencies during the performance testing instead of just the temperatures. I would suggest including some benchmark results also, since this is all that matters.
Is the M2 periodic maintenence friendly, I live in a dusty area, I plan to use an AIO but dust will still inevitably acccumulate so can't avoid periodic cleaning.
Thank you for your video. After watching it, I decided to order one as well. In your video, you mentioned the issue of interference between the psu cable and the front panel IO connectors. However, after looking at the build examples provided on the NCASE website, in both the Level 1 and Level 5 configurations, the psu is not close to the front IO panel. Based on this, I speculate that either the IO connectors do not rely on the power bracket and front panel for mounting, or an additional power bracket was used to secure the front IO connectors in these two configurations.
I only had to use the IO bracket for further reinforcement in the flipped/inverted config- other configs will not be adjacent to the front IO. I am told that something is changing in the production version though, so will update when I see the change!
@@MachinesMore Thank you. Today, I watched that part of your video again and realized that my initial understanding was incorrect. In fact, in the inverted mode, the power supply bracket needs to rely on the front I/O panel for support, not the other way around. The inverted installation and mATX support are significant selling points for this case, and Level 1 listed on the NCASE website reflects this. I believe they should address this issue.
@@MachinesMore Today, NCASE released an installation guide video. Through the video, I finally understood why NCASE believes there is no conflict between the power supply interface and the front panel I/O. The position of the power connector on the SF1000L used in the video is different from the SFX V1000 in your video. Since it's difficult to define left and right, in short, the power interface of the SF1000L is on the side closer to the motherboard tray, while the SFX V1000's is on the side further from the motherboard tray. Therefore, it might conflict with the front panel I/O.
Additionally, from the newly released video, it seems that the front panel I/O has been redesigned, presumably to address this issue.
@@MachinesMore I received the case I pre-ordered and, to my dismay, discovered that NCASE indeed addressed the issue. However, they did so by removing the passthrough port, plugging the front panel port with plastic, and updating the product page to change from 2A2C to 2A1C. Sigh... Regardless, the quality of your video is excellent.
Hallo @MachinesMore, I really wonder:The D12L is asymmetrical. Is there any measurable difference in temperatures or noise depending on which side the block with the larger fins is facing? In a classic layout with rear exhaust I guess the larger fins would naturally be facing the rear or the case. But if I switch to rear intake, would it be better to only turn around the fan or should I turn around the whole cooler block, so that the part with the larger fins is facing the inside of the case? Did you every try this out?
Great video sir. I look forward to reviewing this case as well! I’m wrapping up my review of the Terra and I expected better quality
Awesome. Is the Terra quality not up to par?
@@MachinesMore well from a distance it’s good but the gaps are a bit inconsistent and I have one between the rear panel and side panel on the CPU side that’s really distracting. It’s probably an issue with this unit. The quick release latch and on the GPU side collides with my 4080S FE, which I fixed by 3D printing a low profile latch. I have some rough areas of anodized finish inside the side panel but can be overlooked seeing that you rarely open the side panels, unless you’re me. My biggest gripe is its lack of liquid cooling support while being bigger than the FormD T1. Having just 1 case fan is also hard to justify, especially seeing that you have to install the motherboard upside down playing the top of the cooler further down from the top of the case. For me this creates a pocket of warm air right near the m.2 slot. It could’ve really used a second case fan. The T1 can fit two T-30s. I think the case is beautiful and is designed well in that aspect but it just falls short in some critical areas for me. Usually Ncase are slightly too big for me but I think I can find some ways to fill the case, empty unused space is my pet peeve.
Thanks for the detailed review, many of your shots are helping me plan by build out. Do you think 140mm slim fans would fit above the GPU in the config you built in (rather than the 120mm)? It looks like they may interfere with the mATX MOBO?
The NCASE M2 is a premium alternative to the Cooler Master Nr200. Its 15.4L, while the Nr200 is 18L. It will still fit large gpus because of the thinner, yet sturdier, materials. The NCASE M2 will save more space, have more versatility with different components than the Nr200, look, and perform better too. It's definitely a worthy upgrade for a case option.
I'm so excited for this. I passed on the M1 because it seemed a little dated, and a few of the cons didn't seem worth it for me in 2024. That said, the M1 evo didn't seem to be a significant enough upgrade for me to jump on it. Now, the M2's new features/fixes, and price have got me sold!
All I want to know now is whether I have to order ALL of the things separately like PSU bracket, riser, and all of the other things. I just wanna know what comes in the box so I don't double order things and have to return things.
So looking forward to this. It should be here right around my birthday, so I'll schedule a rebuild for then. And to think, I had just cracked open my Lian Li A3.
Awesome. The riser cable kit is an option. You don’t have to get a separate PSU bracket for SFX or SFX-L but ATX is an option.
Looking at their website I find it confusing.
Love your videos. Your channel is massively underrated for the quality material you put out.
Mannnn still waiting for a good vertical sff case to replace my meshlicious for my ryzrn 9 upgrade
Me too, I was bit excited about Mood but it was disappointment, now maybe checking ch170 when it arrives
love the in-depth approach to these types of cases. Maybe try a top-down cooler like c14s as intake? single fan, dual fan?
thank you man for another great review. been waiting for this!
nice video! not sure about the math, but i think another inch in width would allow for stock air coolers. that might also allow for better psu placement and cable management. i'm looking to do my last build and every case is either too big or too small or just looks like cra*! this could be a great case for itx and matx builds. nice to see no glass panel. cheers!
I see it has passthroughs for external radiator. That is what I am interested in. My PNY RTx 4090 with alphacool core 1 block is 145.5mm wide though. Will it fit?
Would love to see you do a review on the Jonsbo H20, an small mtx case, not exactly cheap but definitely affordable.
Could you please do a video featuring the matx build options? This feature is really appealing to me, as i play DCS World flight sim, which requires a ton of rear i/o. I've been using a usb hub with my itx board to remedy this, but I truly detest the hub being on my desk. I think this feature is what really sets this case apart from other sff cases, so it would be nice to see a more granular look at it. That gigabyte board you used in this video is the one I've been looking at using for a matx build, but I'd rather keep it sff if possible. I'm currently in an M1 v6.1, and I've enjoyed it for years with a couple different builds.
Interesting! I have to ask, how many ports do you use?
@MachinesMore It takes keyboard and mouse, flight stick and throttle, head tracking, dedicated usb for my wired headset dac power. So like 6 or 7, but I don't want to have to unplug my monitor's usb hub (keyboard and mouse for the cost of one rear usb port), my wireless headset dongle, or my speakers' usb power, so I'll end up needing like 7 or 8 from the rear total (I may be forgetting something). As you know, not many itx boards can accommodate this.
@@robertmajors1737 would using front IO help with your issue?
@horusmorus5588 I've got it used up already. I know I can make itx work, been doing it for years. It'd just be nice to be able to have a spot for anything I want to plug in
Hello, Is it possible to fit 2x 3,5" hdd into the case?
Does it support an MSI 4090 Liquid with cpu aircooler (thermalright axp90-x47)?
I love this channel. Your content is authentic and genuine, and something about you calms me lol
Cuz he's a quiet Asian.
Wouldn't the Noctua C14S heatsink with a side mounted 140mm P14 Max fan or 120mm T30 fan be the best heatsink for this case like it was in your NR200 videos? The C14S in that setup tied or beat the much more powerful Noctua U12A in your tests so wouldn't it leave the smaller D12L in the dust?
With the C4-SFX case you could install the side bracket fan when using the D12L so you could use the D12L intake combined with a P14 Max side bracket fan for CPU / GPU exhaust, but the NCASE M2 loses the ability to install the side bracket fan when the D12L is installed?
So I like the D12L, but it really seems like a less than ideal fit for this case - likely to perform worse than the C14S temperature wise while also giving up the side bracket CPU / GPU exhaust fan? Using a shorter Peerless Assassin Mini with a side bracket mounted P14 Max CPU / GPU exhaust fan or a 280 AIO also seem like good options.
Can't wait to watch your NCASE M2 build guide!
to avoid making a V2 soon, ncase should just adjust the width slightly since Nvidia insists on using such a power connector, plus they would also be upgrading air cooling to around 155mm
Isn't the SSUPD Meshroom S just as Compatible, maybe even more than the NCase M2? The Size is fairly similar too, would love to see a comparison Video even if the Case layout is totally different.
It's finally came , I want to see a 240/280aio build on this performance monster!
Wonder if I could transfer my NR200 build into this case. I have an MSI Gaming X Trio 4090 which is a rather large card and just barely fit into the NR200.
Do it.
Any news on the glass side panel one ?
Do you think it will be a good addition or detrimental to performance ?
Subscribed. I like your honesty and love your attention to detail
Everything looks sweet, yet again their website claims that the case fits an 148mm Wide GPU , while I saw u and optimum struggling a bit with the Cable of the GPU..
So… I was planning to use my EKWB Waterblock together with Scalar2 for SFF terminal that would make it a 144mm Waterblock and fit it in , but now I’m confused 😕
Something sounds dirty about the statement “threaded mating points”
22:31 … would it be worth filing away the side bracket around the heat pipes of the D12L to fit a side fan?? Genuinely curious.
Thank you for the awesome review. Are you planning to review the Louqe Ghost R1? Debating between these 2 cases
I am! A big difference (unless something changes with the R1) is board compatibility and to a larger extent compatibility in general. The M2 just supports more and allows more flexibility.
Are dual fans possible with the D12L?
Just got my flat packed case and mocking up assembly to do a flipped config. I don't seem to have the same front panel bracket as you, in fact the front panel io assembly looks pretty different from what's sent to me. Any idea what's going on?
Your assembly looks more like what came on my m1 (from what I can remember before I disassembled it).
The final retail version was changed from what I understand.
My M2 does not gave same front panel connectuins as in this video. Can't attach psu to front panel.
Just wondering between this ncase M2 and ssupd meshroom. What would everyone be picking if you have bigger graphic cards like Rtx 4080 supreme x or asus strix 4080?
Could You please try to check if mATX mobo will fit with AIO on the top ? Can be any slim 240mm. I have M1 Evo but it last about 5mm because of the Memory interference..
Have you asked about the streamcom FF1?
I saw it! Other than that 🤐😀
For inverted layout with a FE, is double slim top radiator exhaust a better idea than the side exhaust?
My question is can it fit bottom and top fans with matx motherboard??
I was able to fit a single top fan at the top of the classic/upright setup with mATX board. With the standard round feet you will find minimal benefit from running fans adjacent to the bottom.
Should I get this or the Lian Li A3 if Im doing Air cooling?
A3 is much bigger.
If you're willing to buy an extra M2 Fan Bracket, then get this. It'll allow for a 120mm side exhaust fan which is optimal for air cooling. If you're not and the space saving isn't that important to your setup, then go for the A3 and put those saved dollars towards better GPU or other components
My favorite books as well. those were the days, Kids don't know!
In the classic setup, can a 280 AIO be installed on top? Would love to see a MATX build with 280 AIO and SFF PSU
Not with an mATX unfortunately. When I tested top rad with the M1EVO I recall it required vertical GPU since the mini ITX board had to be pushed down too low to fit the GPU at the bottom.
Found your channel today, and this detailed review earned my subscription click. Thank you!
wow, NCase really put it up a notch! I originally wanted to build my pc in the fractal terra mini, but this case is awesome :o
Just gonna change my peerless assasin to the peerless assasin mini and throw in two extra case fans, but the rest can stay the same. What a nice case and build guide :)
Ncase didn't do shit - Necere isn't even involved with the case anymore, it's just W360 doing what he did with FormD T1 and SSUPD, etc. Again.
Schlugga you clearly don't know the active history.
@@svn5994 Can you give us a rundown on why people are so upset at W360?
@svn5994 well then, explain it to me. I am wrong so feel free to correct me
@@Schluggaluggas W360 is the singular constant behind a number of high profile SFF Case releases, dramas, and failures in the past several years.
The earliest I can recall hearing about is that with SSUPD, where he assisted with design of the Meshlicious and now its been caught in legal drama, leading SSUPD to rename it the Meshroom and him to iterate on the design for the FF1 with Lian Li.
Before that, he got involved with 3FC, the designer of the FormD T1, and assisted with funding marketing and planning, but more recently wanted to end production of the case because the profits weren't there, leading to drama between him and 3FC. The pair has now split, with 3FC still selling the original 2.1 version, and W360 taking his copy to a lower tier factory and rebranding it the "Ncase FormD T1 2.5" - it's the same case with minor half-baked changes with lower QC and quality.
Lastly and most recently, he was also partnered with Necere, the designer of the Ncase M1 V1-V6, and tried to merge the case with the design sensibilities and flatpak priorities of the FormD T1, and came out with the Ncase M1 Evo, which wasn't wide enough to support many of the most popular modern GPUs in reference mode despite being marketed as doing so.
Since that whole fiasco - which still hasn't been corrected - Necere has left Ncase (his own company) and is no longer partnered with W360, who has rebranded the M1 Evo update as the M2 to get around any promises made to give discounts to people who were burned by the misleading marketing of the M1 Evo V1.
.... That's the simplified version - but he also tried to scape the entire SFF Gurus discord for AI data which lead to a mass exodus of the server to a new server, among other shady things.
You also have the upcoming Louqe Ghost R1 that is 2l bigger but doesn't support mATX. It is also more money at $218 pre order price and $272 regular price. Makes the M2 look like a bargain.
Yup, native mATX is a BIG feature.
It's too bad the angled front panel is gone, I thought it gave the case more personality, now it's just another mesh box. And the layout of the front I/O triggers me, I'd much rather the 2 type-A ports were on one side and 2 type-c ports on the other, this way it looks silly imo, but that's just me.
Angled version just came out and I am so happy. Literally fixed my main problem
Ncase never got official distribution here but at least we still have deepcool 😅
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How does NCase M2 compare to Lian Li A3? The A3 is $100 cheaper but 10L larger. But does one case enable something the other doesn't?
Different size and user base segments. If you are fine with the A3 dimensions then the price is really good for what you get. The M2 has higher quality and lower volume while enabling a lot of space efficiency, it's still a boutique case, just being offered at a lower price than we usually see.
M1EVO v2...
Yes, that’s what M2 means
Nah - W360 said he'd give a discount on the Evo V2 because if the issues people had with V1 - this is just him being slimy and going back on his word. @@linksh0t263
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@@linksh0t263nah, w 3 6 0 just named it this to avoiding making good on people who were misled into buying the M1 Evo V1.
(I replied to you earlier but my comments mysteriously seem to be getting removed.)
@@linksh0t263 🤦
Is there any hope for the release of the free flow01 chassis? There is no new news at all
Any chance this will fit two 15mm tall 2.5" SSDs?
how is the build quality vs the formd t1? I'm curious and deciding between this and the t1.
Very similar. The biggest difference I would consider would be cooling- for T1 a 240 would be disproportionately better than the small top down coolers, whereas with the M2 the air cooling can be a much more compelling and cost effective option, even though a 240/280 would still be better thermals wise.
Hello good sir, as always very good content. Will you be reviewing the Ghost R1?
yes!
Is it possible to configure the inverted orientation so that the mobo faces the left side?
What about side fans with matx
Is that possible?
Or only with mini itx??
You could in theory still fit a 92mm fan there but the cabling got in the way, plus there wasn’t a good mounting point. So yes, absolutely mini ITX for max fan compatibility.
can you do micro atx with vertical 4090? or does vertical only work with mini itx
You could always use a dremel to enlarge the holes to fit the aircooler heat pipes through the side panel bracket so you could install a side fan as well. Destructive, I know but could prove to be quite useful and clean!
Absolutely can do that. It’s two holes that need to be widened. The production bracket will be harder to dremel though since it will be steel.
One con for me would be the lack of dust filtering in a case like this , the fact that it is aluminium makes it even harder. But great case overall would like to try a itx mainboard with deshroud gpu mod in it :D
Non issue
What's the tolerance with the side fan bracket and the d12L? I'm guessing you could still use a side exhaust fan with the matx if you went with a shorter cooler like the u9s?
Absolutely. Actually in the build video I will be using the Thermalright peerless assassin mini to use the rad plate.
@@MachinesMore Fantastic. I grabbed the u9s and was going to build in the m1 evo but held off when I found out the v2/m2 was coming. Pretty stoked for this case, been watching your videos on the m1 evo and v2 and m2 practically on repeat.
I wonder if D12L would be better exhaust with a rear exhaust. I imagine that might help GPU thermals, while having minimal impact on CPU.
With the directional exhaust from the FE cards it tends to be a big penalty for the CPU cooling. It’s just that the cooler is so close to the flow through section. With a side exhausting card I can see the rear exhaust being a choice.
@@MachinesMore With the asymmetry of the D12L and even Noctua saying fans pushing is more effective, I think you’d want the best airflow over the larger portion of the cooler. The fan is not sealed against the heatsink on the intake side causes inefficiencies for heat transfer. I was just wondering if you had numbers for that. Thanks for the review either way!
@@GlassPupindeed- one thing I will try is rear exhaust.
Do you think its possible to use a full size 850w PSU if the GPU is smaller? (285mm 2.2 slot)
ATX should be fine (shorter than 160 is best)- just make sure you order the bracket.
how many pcie slots?
did you see something with >=5 but smaller than 14L (Meshroom has "7")
4 slots.
so how does hot air exhaust out of the case in aircooled setups?
How sturdy is it? Looks like it's made of thin wire with no solid structure.
Just got mine - the build quality and sturdiness are exceptional. It’s cnc aluminum and feels like a brick all around. Great build, definitely not thin wire.
Will Noctua C14s fit in the M2?
the c14 fit in my m1 v1 and the m2 is bigger in every dimension
looking at this timestamp: th-cam.com/video/7hgKHywgjsE/w-d-xo.html
if i'm interpreting this correctly, at this "ideal" psu mounting spot with a 3 point mount, there is no place to plug in the psu cable between the psu and top panel? am i correct? that would be a huge design flaw imo.
The base should be lower than 165 , no riser and feet that are sold separately 😇
Looks better outside the bathroom.
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Any updates on streamcom ff1
Did he mention a release date?
You should be able to order right now. They usually ship in batches but if you can get an allocation that’s a good spot to be in.
They still have the cheap power button 😩
it's really nice imo, it feels satisfying to click, not mushy like some other cases and it's the perfect size so it fits snugly in it's slot without wobbling
That is why get grated so i would even need to use it 😅
Damn that price has to be the best part. This may just be my next case.
The price is not really good but alrigh
maaan, i thought youd be putting a 4090 in there
The charts say "Ryzen 9 7800X3D"
i like this channel more and more...
Review the ghost R1
it's coming!
Annoying that you can't get the silver finish in the "round" style. Don't really like the black as much.
I expect that the full suite of options will come as production ramps up.
How much bigger is this to the terra?
Terra is close to 10L, this one is 15.7L. Most of that is due to the height. The footprint of the M2 is only 23mm longer and 13mm wider.
For complete beginner who plans to use air cooler, cares about thermal, will use rtx 4070 super r7700x, would you recommend this case or ch160?
I think it comes down to if you want mATX compatibility. If not then Cooler Master NR200 would be my top pick for a first build- it’s much easier to build in.
If money is no issue get this. Much better build quality, compatibility , and layout options. It will last you for a long time.
Thank You for mm i"m from Poland ( Europe )
can someone explain the hype around putting micro ATX motherboards in ITX cases? Seems like backwards thinking to me when you're paying equally the same amount of money for anything decent (B series or Z series/ X series). I heard someone suggest the availability which i guess makes sense but that doesnt seem like a convincing enough reason when itx board are obtainable enough.
Man i really want one now!! Still don't know why would you want to do the inverted build, so many downsides... inverted PSU, only positive air pressure etc etc...
The inverted build wouldn’t necessarily be a worse airflow setup vs an upright/classic build. In a case like this where ventilation is ample, there are a lot of configs that will work. My primary concern specific to the test build was not forcing the cooler to take in exhaust directly. With a different type of card a rear exhaust wouldn’t be a bad option either.
Inverted gives better temps. Stop talking out of your ass.
Inverted has better temps 🤦♂️
I'm not paying for shipping. I'll go for the Fractal Terra in Europe
Shipping is crazy
Your camera angles and zoom in make the case look distorted and larger than it is. Also the grading color temp gives videos a too warm tone.
I just want them to make something of this build quality in MATX case size..35 liters
Even though this case supports mATX, there are way better mITX boards available than mATX. Most mATX boards lack alot of good components (e.g onboard soundchip, wlan, max ram-speed etc). If you compare the "best" boards of mATX vs "best" boards of mITX, you often have a 1:2 selectionlist, maybe with SFF going to support mATX future vendors will focus on more enthusiasts boards in this size :)
I was just thinking of building in the Dan a3. Then again this is like 3x the price of that
Different league for size and quality- if the volume of the A3 works for you it’s a very good case for the money.
Why all these reviews for a case that is permanently sold out every single batch ?
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Does this have GPU sag support feature(s)? Thanks!
No, but due to the large amount of slot space you can fit a wide variety of GPU support accessories.
@@MachinesMore Thanks for letting me know!