Not to fuel the fire...but you could buy a P-07, with a Cajun Gun Work's Pro Package installed with night sights for roughly the same price as the 229 Enhanced Elite.... For those who say the CZ isn't on the same level as Sig, no offense, after a CZ is worked over, it truly is above any Sig I have shot. Just my opinion.
Great thoughts Ryan! I agree under normal circumstances, the P07 is a huge savings as compared to the Sig. That said, Sig started out selling these P229s for around $700 and if you looked hard enough, you could find them for less. I think they've come up since then but it was a steal at the time. It's hard to beat a Cajonized CZ though! Thank you and cheers!
Ryan Miller my thoughts exactly! And if you are competent at working on your own, you can get it cheaper. Not to mention the CPL oz. Of weight difference.
I agree with you 100% and lets face it you can put an upgraded trigger on the p07 and still not be over the MSRP price for the Enhanced Elite I have however found them on clearance as cheap as $599.00 but most are still going for $750 and up. Which means that you would still have money left over for ammo with the CZ ;)
I own both brands. I usually go with the CZ when it goes head to head with Sig, but this time I would go Sig for the simple reason that it fits my hands better. Both excellent pistols. Wouldn't regret grabbing either one in the pinch.
Great review and comparison between these two excellent firearms! I own hardware from both CZ and Sig Sauer. I find the machining to be more refined in the Sigs but the CZs fit and perform better in my hands.
Good video KS. I'm gonna go with the CZ P-07 over the Sig. And yes my bias is playing a lot into that decision. However there are other reasons. The P-07 IMHO just offers more. The big one for me, better controllability due to the axis of the slide and its reciprocation being so close to the centerline of the bore. Even in 40 the P-07 is just easier to shoot that the 226. Both pistols are great and there are definitely no losers in either choice. But for me. The CZ is the easy choice.
I completely agree Matteo! The P07 rides incredibly low while shooting. Once you get your grip situated, it's ready to run and shoots very flat. I think the ergos are just fine with it as well. Thank you as always and cheers brother!
I mean let's be honest; "It's a CZ." has become a household name!!!! It is my carry gun with some very nasty Hornady 147 grain JHP 15 rounds full; beware to my potential attacker!!! I love my Ceska Zbrojovka P-07!!!! Made in Czechoslovakia Nothing beats a CZ!!!
If you're looking around for a BB pistol I would recommend this one th-cam.com/users/postUgkxnX9wE_Q8zvF75Y5iWzTU3Q4FlrtyGApQ . I ordered two BB pistols from Dan Wesson and this one is so much nicer than the other one. It's a well built gun. Can't say that about the other one. I thought the Mag was pretty easy to load. I also just lock the spring back and fill up the hole with 16 BB's with no sweat. Easily remove the rear part of the handle from the bottom with the Mag removed to access the CO2 chamber. Sweet. Very nice painted sights on both ends. Doesn't have blowback but the gun is rated at 410 fps the blowback edition is 365 fps.Didn't really know much about BB guns before but now I see that Umarex makes some fine BB guns. You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer CO2 air pistol than this one I think. Just seems flawless. It even states on the packaging Glock perfection. I think my next Airgun may very well be an Umerex. Oh and if you really want a blowback (don't think amazon sells the Glock w/blowback) you might consider the Beretta APX by Umarex. But that gun is only rated at 310 fps. All things being equal, if it were me I'd buy the Glock again in a heartbeat :)
I had a P229 as soon as the 40 S&W became available in 93 and it was my DEDC everyday for 15 years. I no longer have it, so I'm hoping to get another one. I've had the P07 for a couple of years, and it's a fantastic EDC in every respect except my P365 is so much smaller, lighter, and much easier concealed with 13..... They're all excellent!
I carry a CZ-P07. It's a great gun for me. My only complaint about it is that because the slide fits inside the frame there is less slide to grab onto. Hence, I have a Sig P229 on the way. In any case, I will not get rid of my CZ-P07.
Just a training issue, or strength issue, I thought prior to taking to the range during dry fire snap caps. That I would have problems at the range with the side myself, but I didn't have any issues, but I have high finger and grip strength. I train weapon martial arts so no problem for me. I've even seen girls shooting the p09, with the same impressions as I, practice more with it it'll get more intuitive over time. (I own the p09)
@@heirapparent333 I've found that I can manipulate the slide with no issues now by using the ``overhand'' grab. I guess it was just a matter of training.
Great suggestion! The premise is to compare like or unlike Guns and pick a “winner” of sorts. The P01 would be a great one to throw in the mix at some point. Thank you and cheers!
I have both of these great guns and am still on the fence over which one is "the One". I like the 229 because of it's history of reliability and it's built like a tank. I like my P07 Duty because it feels perfect in my hand and it's untouched trigger feels better than my Sig's with SRT. The only thing keeping them equal is the crappy sights and low options available for the P07.
Great video bro. I've owned both of these firearms at one point and I made the same choice you did, I still own a p07 and got rid of the Sig. Like you the Cz just fits me better
Not to mention you can almost buy two P 07s for the price of one 229. But both are amazing firearms and wouldn't kick either out of the holster. Great job KS, keep doing what you do!
Thanks Dale! Yes, the P229 is definitely more expensive, though I got this one for under $700 which isn't too bad for a 229. They ran a deal when they released these but I think it's over and they are back up to normal. Thank you and cheers!
you will not be disappointed my friend. I honestly thing for the price point there is not a better handgun on the market. Glocks are nice too but a CZ just has such a solid, reassuring feel when you hold it in your hand. It shoots like a dream, I was hitting 5 inch groupings at 30 yards straight out of the box. Personally would never own another kind of handgun if I could only pick one.
Great review both great pistols but if i had to choose between the two i would have to go with the Sig Sauer P229. Take nothing away from CZ but Sig Sauer makes great Pistols!
Amen Keith! It's always a hard choice and both guns are awesome indeed. I tend to shoot the CZ a bit better but I blame that on time behind the two. Thank you as always and cheers brother!
To be fair in price comparison, add the Cajun gun works pro trigger kit and it would totally kill this 229 elite while still being cheaper. This p07 is the second gun to pass MAC's gauntlet test.
I "Cajunized" mine. Polished the trigger bar, hammer, and sear pins. Added the full Cajun Works kit. It's an entirely different anime. The SA is crazy. Also, if you don't wanna drop that much into your P07, just polishing the trigger bar, hammer and sear pins and replacing the roller bearing with a Cajun one will give you a huge performance upgrade.
While I have not shot the P07 specifically and I have not shot the light alloy framed 229, I have owned both a Standard CZ75 9mm and a 229 Sig. Both are outstanding weapons by two of the top manufacturers in the industry. I will say this I have tortured the snot out of my CZ's 4800 rounds without cleaning and lubing just to see if I could make it fail and it fed and extracted every type of garbage ammo I could throw at it with zero hiccups and maintained accuracy. The Sig began to whine at 2300 with stove pipes and failures to feed. I love both but at the end of the day the CZ withstood twice the abuse without issue. I have had a CZ 40B that I kept completely stock, that I bought back in 03 at Kay's for $289.00 brand new in the box with 2 mags. I put over 40,000 rounds through it with zero maintenance issues and zero malfunctions. So when people quibble over a sub 300 pistol thinking it must be junk, I have to laugh because the guy I sold my CZ 40B to, has since put 25,000 rounds through it himself and says it just keeps running and is accurate at POA. Here is my thoughts there are 3 gun platforms that are the most copied in the world those being CZ-75 and variants, Sig P226-229 and variants, and Browning's 1911 45acp. That speaks volumes. Now when it comes down to Poly Striker fired pistols Glock is the originator and most every pistol in that category owes some design cue to the Glock but that does not by any stretch mean that Glock is the best because quite honestly there are others with better ergonomics and trigger systems. Just my opinions from experience that and 10 cent still won't buy a cup of joe so take it for what you will.
I've got 229 Legion. I definitely like it, but... I'm hearing such great things about the CZ's. I really want to try some. No one carries them locally, so I have to make a little trip. ... Thanks for the video.
Question... How would you compare the grip angles of the CZ P01 & P07 to each other and to a Sig P229? ... If I am taking my time to aim and fire, grip angle is no big deal. But, I have found my natural grip angle puts a 1911 right on target. And, if I extend my wrist down so that my index finger points at the target, a Glock points 'just right.' What I've found is, my Sig 229 is in the middle. B/c of that, it is harder to consistently put my sights on target when I draw and fire with speed.
Looking Intently as an owner of both brands, I can assure you, you won't be disappointed. The CZ P01 is actually closer(alloy framed) to the 229. But the p07 def has merit with the reduced weight. Something about the curvature of the p01 makes me a fan...wasn't sure about the fat grips on it...but being able to change the look and feel certainly adds an interesting aspect as well.
I have the Sig P320 compact in 9MM it’s awesome gun,…however I just purchased the CZ P-07 9MM I’m hoping that it will prove to be as great as my Sig…great video and a very good comparison…
Both great pistols, and I would agree with your assessment. I really do like my Sigs, but there is something about the P07 that I just love. I've got some videos coming out on just this subject, have a great weekend brother!
I just bought mine today. My first FA. I shot the Shadow 2 and instantly became a CZ fan. The P07 is just a better EDC because here in South Africa all FA's have to be concealed and the Shadow 2 was just impractical.
Fortunately, I don't have to choose between these great pistols. I have the P-07 and the 229 SAO Legon. Both are very reliable and very accurate. My latest toy is the Kimber KDS9c. All three of these guns are in my carry rotation. Thanks for the video.
I first met Vince Evans in 1983. I believe he was just getting started with blade smiting. It is great to see her has come so far. I haven't seen or heard from him in many years.
I own both of these firearms and the p07 has won me over. I shoot every Tuesday night at my local range; both of my guns have thousands of rounds through them. The added plus for the p07 is that it can also use CZ 75 magazines.
Very good comparison. I like both pistols, I have the the big brothers of these pistols. I love everything about the CZ. To pick one I'd go with the Sig Sauer P229 because of it's reputation, history and the points you brought out.
Thanks Keanon! I agree, both are great guns indeed. The 229 definitely has a great reputation and it really is a fine gun. That CZ is tough to beat though, especially for the price. Cheers brother!
Thank you for your excellent videos as always. I had to subscribe! I am in the market for a smaller gun for my daughter and because of you, I narrowed it down to the Sig P229R, m&p 9 shield, and sig p238. She handled all three, and chose..... the sig p229r! I have not purchased it, and neither has she actually shot it admittedly, but I will be getting next overtime pay. The pawn shop we went is asking $979... yikes! I am in no rush so will be shopping around. But again thanks to you and all the other reviewers on TH-cam who seemed to like the 3 guns I mentioned for females...
I owned both the P07 suppressor ready model and the P229. I sold the P07 and went with the P229. My P229 was a standard P229 made in Germany and for me it was the better firearm.
Thanks for the info but can you explain why it was better because I am looking at the 229? Also you mention it was a german SIG, are you claiming that I wouldnt be able to buy a quality SIG today?
@@francostacy7675 I meant the P226 was a better firearm than the P07 for me. I also own a P229 and a P239. Mine are older models made in Germany. From Quality, I don't think it makes a difference, but with the caveat that I have never shot a USA Sig. It should be fine as it is an established design. Made in Germany appears to be more valuable as a collector piece. The P229 is a good gun. It is time proven. Air marshals carried them and might still carry them. The P226 would be better for competition. The P229 will be a bit heavy. I do recommend a good holster (don't go cheap).
I love CZ’s .... I have the P07 and the all steel CZ 75B. These are in my collection and I’m a big fan of CZ quality. I must admit that I don’t have a Sig (other than the MPX) but can’t fathom that I’d get rid of my CZ’s. Love how they shoot. I do agree with you on the slide release, but I’m able to reach it ok as I have longer fingers. I really enjoy your reviews!
I agree with you on the CZ. Both are premium pistols but the cost of the Sig doesn’t justify choosing it over the CZ. Also with some very minor and very low cost spring changes the trigger pull weights for da/sa can be reduced 40-50%
I had a P-07 and it is beautifully made I hated the trigger and didn’t love the sights. I slid it and bought an Ed Brown EVO-9. The evo is a fantastic pistol one of the best triggers I’ve ever had and sights. Very different weapons I know but I carry what I shoot the best.
I do hope you are right, as I have ordered a P-07. My edc is a Sig P365XL and I am very happy with it, but I have become fascinated with CZ on TH-cam. Was initially in the hunt for a P-01(apparently a unicorn) but finally an Urban Grey 07 popped up and I quickly bought it.
Great breakdown reveiw, if I have it right Sig S. is much more exspensive & typically is in the top drawer price collection, from that standpoint C.Z. runs away with itt. Thanx P.S.
Yes, the Sig is definitely more expensive. The CZ wins in that category hands down. The weight can be an advantage for recoil and control however. Thank you and cheers Pete!
I HAVE A P-226 MK-25, THREE CZ'S, P-07, P-01, 97B .45 CAL. ALL ARE OUTSTANDING, HAD TRIGGER JOB ON ALL CZ'Z AND THE P-226....WHICH MAKES THEM ALL TOP NOTCH!
When you compare price that’s when the CZ wins big lol.. I love me some sig.. well I did before my wife started only liking them and pistols started to cost me more. I guess I should be thankful I buy her one I get two for the same price lol.. I do wish everyone put night sights as standard sights on defensive/combat/duty pistols. Sig has already had that advantage. Their sa break has always been the cleanest around and only gets better after a few thousand rounds it starts to feel like a custom 1911 trigger.
Switching my EDC from G19 to CZ P-07 love both but after roughly 2000 rounds in the CZ just like it better. Looking to see if you did a video on these two, if not can you?
That's awesome Andrew! Both are fantastic but it's tough to beat the P07. As for a comparison between the two, I haven't but it's something I may do soon! Thank you and cheers
Well I'll soon own both Already have the CZ and my Sig 229 elite will be at the FFL tomorrow so can't wait, I like both as I've had both before but sold them got the CZ p07 last month and thanks to Trump lol, I got the Sig elite coming tomorrow! The best part is I didn't pay $800-$900... it was only $689 Brand New and comes with 3 mags, holster, barrel badge and even has a skeletonized hammer and custom style piranha Grips.. sweet gun And I plan to keep this one for awhile!!
No doubt the Sig. The P07 is good for what it is but the Sig is in a class above. The smoothness of the trigger and if you have the short reset trigger in the Sig its top notch. Great vid 👍
Thank you Youngguns! I agree, the Sig is awesome, especially with the SRT installed. Either way, you can’t go wrong with either one. Thank you and cheers brother!
Youngguns173SW I agree with you that it is "meant" to be in a class above, but not sure I agree. For the price you pay for the p229 you shouldn't have to spend more for the SRT. I understand choosing a side to justify a purchase, and I am a sig fan, owning several model handguns and rifles. But the fact if the matter is, you could send the p07 in to CGW and have them do a hammer/trigger job on it including the labor and still only be at 2/3 the price of the sig. Add to that the weight difference and the P07 is a clear winner to me. I don't have the 229, but I do have other Sig's starting at the p938 and going up to the p226. I also have two CZs with Omega triggers, and one without. Considering the price of some of the higher end CZs and how they function...I'm a fan of the CZs. Maybe it comes down to personal preference, but honestly If you look at the same money spent, the absolute only thing the sig wins at imho is the ease of racking the slide as there is much more real-estate. But even that is mitigated by the softer shooting lower bore axis. Some people say they can't feel the difference. I let my 115lb wife shoot my CZ after being a sig fan for years, and now I can't get my CZ back from her :( Anyways, great discussion. Cheers!
I own both as well, but I find the Sig trigger to be inferior to the CZ. I personally like the higher bore axis, but for some reason my CZ is more accurate. I have never had any issues with any ammo, and both always go bang. If I based my result on the trigger alone, the CZ wins hands down. To me the CZ wins as a carry gun, based on weight. But I will call it a draw, as I find I like to shoot the Sig. Both are quality made, but I find the SIg a notch above quality wise. If you compare the CZ to a Legion model the Sig's trigger is way better. If you look at price, the CZ is by far the better value.
id go CZ all day any day. In this comparison..you could buy two CZs for what youd spend on one Sig. But lets compare apples to apples. If i were to have a CZ that cost as much as the Sig...possibly a Shadow or a Shadow 2.. then there is really no comparison at all. The CZ will shoot circles around the Sig.
While I don't own a P229 I do own a P226 in a P220 so I'm no stranger to Sig, but the tested Sig P229 cost roughly three times as much as the PO7 and it absolutely positively is not three times the gun the PO7 is.
Nice to know that the P-07 is very close to the P229. I used the M11 in the army, 90s, but don't feel like paying the cost that a P229 currently is. I was out of the country for over a decade, non military/government, and I want something similar. I have a G19, but I'm not used to striker fired weapons right now.
Very good comparison. I have the P-07 40 cal. 12 round mags 3 back straps and I use the middle one for a large hand. Here's the kicker though yeah the decocker is cool I suppose somewhat novel in a safety way however when you switch out the decocker for the safety on the CZ the Omega trigger is worth tons, good reset and very smooth.
I just bought the cz p09. It spoiled me, it is soft shooting, and highly accurate. Definitely something I need to train with, to get use to shooting it, I got use to shooting the fn 509 c tac. Which has a way different sight picture and recoil impulse.
Good video, great guns. These are photo finish ties in my view. Ergos, capacity, designs, materials, light weight, accuracy, reliability - You cannot go wrong with either ... great times to have such great guns available!
To keep things apples to apples a better choose one comparison to the p229 would be the p01 and a better choose one comparison for the p07 would be the sp2022. In both cases I would take the Cz’s. Between the p229 and p07 I’d take the p229, probably my 3rd or 4th favorite handgun.
Thanks for the suggestions and feedback! The design of this series is to compare guns whether similar or different. It’s fun to throw some curve balls from time to time, lol. The SP2022 would be a great one though. I’m not a big fan of the P01 for some reason though I know many who love it. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. Thank you and cheers as always Railroad!
KSGunGuy yeah the sp2022 is kind of the forgotten compact 9mm. At under $400 every now and then it’s a real bargain, kind of the poor man’s p229. Seems like most of your choose one’s seem kind of similar so that’s why I mentioned that but ok, I got ya. Love the series, keep up the good work
That is very true, they are often similar. I know people like to see certain comparisons so I try to do that when it makes sense. I agree, under $400 is a steal for sure! Thank you again brother!
I have the P09. It has never failed on any type of ammo in over 1100 rounds. Right now I am not even cleaning it because I want to see how far it can go. However after my first 200 rounds the gun failed and I had to send it back to manu. My DA trigger stopped working., the trigger did nothing. It still worked in SA, but not DA. Manu had it over 6 weeks and they replaced several parts. NOT HAPPY about that and it makes me doubt its reliability. The gun just broke for no reason and without any warning. Today I was in a gun shop and dry fired a SIG 229. In dry firing the SIg's DA trigger was much smoother than my CZ, not sure which was heavier but I want a heavy DA trigger for safety reasons. To me if felt like the SIGS SA trigger was better than my p09 but I didnt measure it but I know it was smoother. Now the reset on the SIG BLEW AWAY MY P09.. My cheap Taurus TX22 has a better reset than my CZ. Now the feel or grip and the sights of the SIG I like better than my p09 even though I have a lot of dry firing and a 11000 rounds on my CZ. I personally dont think the triggers on the CZs are horrible but they arent anything special either. Now someone will say send it to custom shop or cajun...well then it cost as much or more than a SIG, and I will be without it, plus the manu I am assuming would no longer honor its warranty and who knows what those modifications do to longevity or to the safety of the gun. Also the way I grip my gun, the bolt lock lever is huge and digs into my hand on the CZ. Not sure why its so big and I dont like it location. The SIG lever is better located and sized, but it has a mile of travel. Now, I dont like the price of the SIG....geez...really? So am on the web looking at SIG 229s. Maybe my next gun. IF the price was lower it would be a big hell yeah. I here all this about CZs....frankly I come to think its a lot of hype. I think a lot people just repeat what they have heard instead of owning and shooting it or being honest after they own it. I am just not that impressed to be honest. I have shot a SIG M17 and I could shoot that gun better than my CZ if I shot it slower but I did feel more muzzle flip in that SIG than my CZp09 Now dont get me wrong, I am keeping my CZ as my home defense go to. But that SIG sure felt good but i have never shot a 229 and so the CZ is my full size home gun and I have a subcompact for conceal carry and the SIG could be my compact carry. Also considering a Bersa TPR9C....fellow gunners, give me some advice.
The PO7 is notorius for two parts that WILL break under certain conditions. The captive roll pin for the firing pin(if dry fired excessively this applies to other models as well), and the trigger spring(It just breaks over time). If you get any CZ or have any on you, I do recommend looking into Cajun Gun Works. Though that isn't an option for everyone. No firearm is perfect.
Can't argue with range results. The CZ group was considerably smaller. I think you were spot on when you said the CZ was more accurate because its slide sits lower and produces less muzzle flip.
Great comparison! One thing that I've noticed with Sigs is that the triggers are fairly inconsistent from model to model. All are pretty good but some are excellent even on the base model guns. Even with a super trigger I'd still go with the CZ though. Great choice haha. I'll take that back. Completely stock the sig but if I can change the sights probably the CZ. I also like having the option to go SAO.
Sounds like you are on the fence with the two Harry! I agree though, you have to find the right trigger on the Sig. Thankfully this one has the SRT which makes it a real pleasure to shoot. Thank you as aways and cheers brother!
Even within the 229 series there are major difference. I can go from meh to this feels like a custom trigger by someone that knows what they are doing. I wish there were dealers around me that carried large selections of sigs so I could try each trigger. I almost bought a P227 because the trigger was that good even though I didn't want the gun(and it was selling for sub $600). Still you can't beat the 2022 for the money.
P229 SAS has been on my hip for several years daily. Before that the p220 even as far back as the heal clip mag release ones several decades ago when they first began showing up in the U.S. I trust them. They have never let me down.
Thank you for the comparison. The P-07 looks a lot better for a ccw. It just looks more compact, and also way less expensive. My ccws dont have lights or red dots. Want to be as simple as possible. Next step is to go rent a P-07 and see how it shoots. Thank you!
Imagine if the low bore axis of the CZ and the trigger of the Sig were on the same gun... Oh yeah, they can be.. Cajun Gun Works... and for about the cost of the Sig.
No wrong answer here. Both are extremely reliable. If price was the same, it would come down to whether I wanted a heavier or lighter gun. Both of these are in my top 5 favorite pistols so it’s a win/win.
Both are stellar pistols. I think I like the feel of the P229 better but am way more accurate with the P07. In fact the P07 with Cajun trigger is my favorite carry. Add a red dot to P07 and you can really reach out there
I know this is old now but excellent review. The P-07 is a really good gun by any standard but considering the price point it’s an excellent choice. Let’s face it, your EDC lives a rough life and if ever used will get taken from you. If I’m going to make a substantial investment in a handgun I’m probably not going to carry it around with me. All that and the double action is just a safe way to handle a weapon. You can guard the hammer when holstering. Also if you are excited and bringing it up to fire you’re not going to tap the trigger early. We are playing for keeps out here and these things must be considered. I also carry a Sig 365XL and a S&W 442 38 J frame, whatever fits my day best.
I’m not sure how old your P-07 is, but the trigger on mine is not like that at all. The double action is the same but in single action it’s waaaayyyy shorter on the take up and reset. It’s an absolute dream.
Pretty sure Big Johnson said "Glock 19 is best at everything, even Chris Kyle used a Glock 19 to take his longest confirmed shot" Great video KS.. no surprise on the outcome. More stuff like this please
Have several Sig’s, Rugers ……and a P-07. Really enjoy my Sig M-11 A-1 and the 07 is the new kid on the block. First time out with the 07 and shot it side-by-side with the Sig. When the smoke cleared, I was actually thinking about tossing the 07 in the river….. Didn’t like the trigger on double action…..and have no idea where the rounds went….!! ( did note the rear sight was NOT centered and I’ll own the rest…) Crossed the bridge going home…..and kept the 07. Decided to put some XS sights on it and put a few more rounds through it. Glad I did. Rounds are on target and the trigger is MUCH better. So much so, it’s a dead heat on a Merry-Go-Round as far as “keep only one” and the Sig vs P-07.
Great video, but I think it's sort of unfair. I love both of these guns, but what I noticed is that I did not shoot as well with the E2 grips on my P229 Enhanced Elite, so I bought the original polymer ones for $25-$30, and now I can shoot it more accurately. These guns are both more inherently accurate [compared to many pistols], so it's more about dialing in the grip. Remember, comfort is not a synonym for ergonomics (which deals with efficiency). Glock, despite what most say, even Glock fanboys, IS a very ergonomic grip because its grip-angle forces canting & locking your wrist which makes it more stable in shooting (helping it to shoot flatter). Similarly, I have found that to be true of Glocks [changing the grip can make it more accurate]. I can't quite master the trigger as well with the standard (small) grip. I have to add either the medium or large to get the best results although Glocks in the small backstrapless state allow me to better manipulate the mag catch. You don't even necessarily have to shoot the gun to see the results. Watching your front sight while dry practicing is how I usually discover it. I can usually freeze the sight with any grip or backstrap, but I notice the ones that tend to be more consistent than the others. So as far as the P229 is concerned, dialing in the gun unfortunately means ordering and experimenting with different grips. That's when the tack driving comes in.
Well said! I do think that Glocks are more ergonomic than many give them credit for. Changing your grip just a little to fit the gun you are shooting usually leads to a more positive experience at the range (or in other situations). Thank you and cheers!
I would love to see your take between the P07 and FN 509 Midsize. Those are basically the two I'm torn between right now. I'm aching to move away from my Glock 22
Great looking Sig! I am a fan of the classic P series Sigs and own a mid 1990s made P229 and love it. However, the CZs fit my hands better and if I had to chose one out of these two for actual use it would be the CZ as well. I have a P07 made in 2016 and it is outstanding. Only thing I would change on the P07 is I wish it had the grip texture of the M&P M2.0!
I like your comparison, very similar handguns; I hate when people compare two guns that are totally different, but I get it, you compare what you have. One thing you didn't mention is the big price difference, like someone else mentioned you could have a Cajun Gun Works trigger job and night sights on the CZ for about the same price. I own the P07 and a Sig P226 and I would have to agree with your review, both are great, but the P07 is a little better to shoot.
Thank you J! I agree that there can be a huge price difference between the guns although the P229 was picked up new for under $700 which brings it closer to the P-07 (though still several hundred dollars off). Either way, they are both great guns indeed. Thank you and cheers!
Can you compare those two pistols along with a Rex Zero 1 compact, HK P30C, Beretta 92fs compact, and maybe also the FNS-9...and any other worth putting in that group?
KS Gun.. Does the CZ and Sig have a kit to make it a decoder and safety. I'm kinda getting in to hammer single double action firearms. You didn't mention does the CZ and Sig have a ambi slide lock release i know you can move the mag release to the left on both of them. That's another thing I'm looking for left hand friendly firearms. If you have any suggestions on what firearms I should be looking at please give me a heads up. And like always great video and great information. Cheers My Friend.
Thank you Anthony and great questions! The CZ does has a swap-able decocker/safety. Most come with both. As for the slide lock/release, neither guns are left hand friendly. The Sig decocker is also not swap-able. I would still recommend the CZ but there are also a lot of good striker fired guns out there that are very left hand friendly. Maybe M&Ps, Glock Gen 5, HK VP9, etc. Hope that helps and cheers!
Great reveiw, Real close , I like the trigger reset & build on the Sig coupled with the decocker & hammer which is hallmark at a twitch of the thumb. Price? (Sig may loose on this).
The P07 and P09 are among the most affordable and very underrated pistols ever made! Great analysis.
They are great guns for sure AF! Thank you and cheers!
Exactly. Everyone is obsessed with the P10 lineup, but if you prefer a hammer fired gun, these two are a great pick up (especially at its price).
@Bert I have the same od green p07. It shoots like a dream. Enjoy
Not to fuel the fire...but you could buy a P-07, with a Cajun Gun Work's Pro Package installed with night sights for roughly the same price as the 229 Enhanced Elite.... For those who say the CZ isn't on the same level as Sig, no offense, after a CZ is worked over, it truly is above any Sig I have shot. Just my opinion.
Great thoughts Ryan! I agree under normal circumstances, the P07 is a huge savings as compared to the Sig. That said, Sig started out selling these P229s for around $700 and if you looked hard enough, you could find them for less. I think they've come up since then but it was a steal at the time. It's hard to beat a Cajonized CZ though! Thank you and cheers!
Wouldn't trade my p07 for any sig out there
Ryan Miller my thoughts exactly! And if you are competent at working on your own, you can get it cheaper. Not to mention the CPL oz. Of weight difference.
I agree with you 100% and lets face it you can put an upgraded trigger on the p07 and still not be over the MSRP price for the Enhanced Elite I have however found them on clearance as cheap as $599.00 but most are still going for $750 and up. Which means that you would still have money left over for ammo with the CZ ;)
Have u guys really every owned a 229 elite? I just don’t think so for some reason
The CZ PO7 made me put down my G19. Something I thought I’d never do. Very fun and easy gun to shoot!
Shoulda kept both.
Sig's are my favorite but the CZ P07 cannot be ignored. It's a worthy contender.
Well said! Thank you and cheers!
Sigs, not Sig's.
@@wehrewulf Sig's, not sigs. Sig is an acronym for Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft.
I owned a p07 suppreasor ready model and a sig legion at the same time... I still own the P07. That's all I've got to say.
That's awesome! Thank you for sharing and cheers!
@@KSGunGuy01 you still have either of these?
I've been carrying mine for 4 years now. It gets even nicer with time.
I’ve got a bd rami and a legion . Prefer the rami for ccw carry, the legion for when S.H.T.F.
I got the cz p07 after watching this vid and i have to say i made the right choice. Shoots well and points naturally. Not too heavy too.
I own both brands. I usually go with the CZ when it goes head to head with Sig, but this time I would go Sig for the simple reason that it fits my hands better. Both excellent pistols. Wouldn't regret grabbing either one in the pinch.
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
Great review and comparison between these two excellent firearms! I own hardware from both CZ and Sig Sauer. I find the machining to be more refined in the Sigs but the CZs fit and perform better in my hands.
One of each. That's my final decision 🤓
Haha! So it shall be!
Good video KS. I'm gonna go with the CZ P-07 over the Sig. And yes my bias is playing a lot into that decision. However there are other reasons. The P-07 IMHO just offers more. The big one for me, better controllability due to the axis of the slide and its reciprocation being so close to the centerline of the bore. Even in 40 the P-07 is just easier to shoot that the 226. Both pistols are great and there are definitely no losers in either choice. But for me. The CZ is the easy choice.
I completely agree Matteo! The P07 rides incredibly low while shooting. Once you get your grip situated, it's ready to run and shoots very flat. I think the ergos are just fine with it as well. Thank you as always and cheers brother!
I fully agree!!! I have the CZ-P07 COMPACT that you show here and I would say, YES, it's the better gun!!!
The FEEL of the gun is AMAZING!!!
I mean let's be honest; "It's a CZ." has become a household name!!!! It is my carry gun with some very nasty Hornady 147 grain JHP 15 rounds full; beware to my potential attacker!!!
I love my Ceska Zbrojovka P-07!!!!
Made in Czechoslovakia
Nothing beats a CZ!!!
If you're looking around for a BB pistol I would recommend this one th-cam.com/users/postUgkxnX9wE_Q8zvF75Y5iWzTU3Q4FlrtyGApQ . I ordered two BB pistols from Dan Wesson and this one is so much nicer than the other one. It's a well built gun. Can't say that about the other one. I thought the Mag was pretty easy to load. I also just lock the spring back and fill up the hole with 16 BB's with no sweat. Easily remove the rear part of the handle from the bottom with the Mag removed to access the CO2 chamber. Sweet. Very nice painted sights on both ends. Doesn't have blowback but the gun is rated at 410 fps the blowback edition is 365 fps.Didn't really know much about BB guns before but now I see that Umarex makes some fine BB guns. You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer CO2 air pistol than this one I think. Just seems flawless. It even states on the packaging Glock perfection. I think my next Airgun may very well be an Umerex. Oh and if you really want a blowback (don't think amazon sells the Glock w/blowback) you might consider the Beretta APX by Umarex. But that gun is only rated at 310 fps. All things being equal, if it were me I'd buy the Glock again in a heartbeat :)
If you're in the market for spf 50 sunscreen I know I guy that knows a guy
I had a P229 as soon as the 40 S&W became available in 93 and it was my DEDC everyday for 15 years. I no longer have it, so I'm hoping to get another one. I've had the P07 for a couple of years, and it's a fantastic EDC in every respect except my P365 is so much smaller, lighter, and much easier concealed with 13..... They're all excellent!
I recently purchased the CZ P10s which holds 12 + 1. Incredibly accurate and feels fantastic in your hand. It's obviously a striker-fired pistol.
Great video…good choice I love my CZ P-07 it’s a really smooth shooting Firearm…and sights are point to aim..
I carry a CZ-P07. It's a great gun for me. My only complaint about it is that because the slide fits inside the frame there is less slide to grab onto. Hence, I have a Sig P229 on the way. In any case, I will not get rid of my CZ-P07.
Just a training issue, or strength issue, I thought prior to taking to the range during dry fire snap caps. That I would have problems at the range with the side myself, but I didn't have any issues, but I have high finger and grip strength. I train weapon martial arts so no problem for me. I've even seen girls shooting the p09, with the same impressions as I, practice more with it it'll get more intuitive over time. (I own the p09)
@@heirapparent333 I've found that I can manipulate the slide with no issues now by using the ``overhand'' grab. I guess it was just a matter of training.
P229 P226 They are all beautiful.
I've had both...still have the P07...and wouldn't think about trading up. Which is crazy considering the price difference.
Wouldn't the CZ P-01 Compact be a better pistol to compare to the SIG P229, based on frame material?
Great suggestion! The premise is to compare like or unlike Guns and pick a “winner” of sorts. The P01 would be a great one to throw in the mix at some point. Thank you and cheers!
I have both of these great guns and am still on the fence over which one is "the One". I like the 229 because of it's history of reliability and it's built like a tank. I like my P07 Duty because it feels perfect in my hand and it's untouched trigger feels better than my Sig's with SRT. The only thing keeping them equal is the crappy sights and low options available for the P07.
CZ P07 was my first handgun. Still love it.
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
Great video bro. I've owned both of these firearms at one point and I made the same choice you did, I still own a p07 and got rid of the Sig. Like you the Cz just fits me better
Thank you Shawn! It's tough to beat the CZ. They sit so low in your grip! Cheers brother!
Just wondering why you got rid of Sig. Why can't you have both? lol
I took your advice and tried a grenade launcher on my accessory rail, but the recoil was too much and I ended up destroying my neighbor's fence!
Hahaha! Those pesky fences always get in the way. Thank you and cheers!
I tried the grenade launcher too but since these are defensive weapons I opted for the flame thrower option.
😂😂😂😂😂 LOL
Olights will do that.
You gotta put on the Cajun gun works grenade launcher upgrade. I did and it performs flawlessly. The neighbors thank me!
Great overview on both. I think both are fantastic. How do you pick just one? Good stuff as always. Keep em coming!
Thank you very much Johnny! I agree, they are both great indeed. Cheers!
Hi Johnny I agree it's hard to pick just one! I'm leaning towards the P-07 even if it is a hipster gun.
Not to mention you can almost buy two P 07s for the price of one 229. But both are amazing firearms and wouldn't kick either out of the holster. Great job KS, keep doing what you do!
Thanks Dale! Yes, the P229 is definitely more expensive, though I got this one for under $700 which isn't too bad for a 229. They ran a deal when they released these but I think it's over and they are back up to normal. Thank you and cheers!
I'd be tempted to take the P07 and buy the drop-in Cajun Gun Works parts with the saved money.
In love with the cz p07
I've operated in some of the most dangerous places in the world!!!! I'll tell you guys right now I will trust my life to a CZ any day
Where? In dust_2 lol
Dont be mad i just dont know you lol
@@chieftain8638 inferno forsure
Can't wait to try mine out, still brand new without a single round through it. God bless Wyoming's no-day waiting period.
you will not be disappointed my friend. I honestly thing for the price point there is not a better handgun on the market. Glocks are nice too but a CZ just has such a solid, reassuring feel when you hold it in your hand. It shoots like a dream, I was hitting 5 inch groupings at 30 yards straight out of the box. Personally would never own another kind of handgun if I could only pick one.
Great review both great pistols but if i had to choose between the two i would have to go with the Sig Sauer P229. Take nothing away from CZ but Sig Sauer makes great Pistols!
Amen Keith! It's always a hard choice and both guns are awesome indeed. I tend to shoot the CZ a bit better but I blame that on time behind the two. Thank you as always and cheers brother!
To be fair in price comparison, add the Cajun gun works pro trigger kit and it would totally kill this 229 elite while still being cheaper. This p07 is the second gun to pass MAC's gauntlet test.
No doubt the P07 is a beast, especially at that price point! Thank you and cheers Raul!
Raul Fernandez which was the first? The p10c?
@@christiandinero8083 USP
I "Cajunized" mine. Polished the trigger bar, hammer, and sear pins. Added the full Cajun Works kit. It's an entirely different anime. The SA is crazy. Also, if you don't wanna drop that much into your P07, just polishing the trigger bar, hammer and sear pins and replacing the roller bearing with a Cajun one will give you a huge performance upgrade.
Christian Dinero I think the Rex Zero 1 TC
Great in-depth video. No fluff for filler despite its 20-minute run time.
Thank you very much! Cheers!
Man that Sig is just hot! Beautiful! Thats my next one. Its hard to get but I see a couple of shops that have it for now.
It is indeed a unique looking Sig! Great shooter and all the bells and whistles. Thank you for watching and cheers!
While I have not shot the P07 specifically and I have not shot the light alloy framed 229, I have owned both a Standard CZ75 9mm and a 229 Sig. Both are outstanding weapons by two of the top manufacturers in the industry. I will say this I have tortured the snot out of my CZ's 4800 rounds without cleaning and lubing just to see if I could make it fail and it fed and extracted every type of garbage ammo I could throw at it with zero hiccups and maintained accuracy. The Sig began to whine at 2300 with stove pipes and failures to feed. I love both but at the end of the day the CZ withstood twice the abuse without issue. I have had a CZ 40B that I kept completely stock, that I bought back in 03 at Kay's for $289.00 brand new in the box with 2 mags. I put over 40,000 rounds through it with zero maintenance issues and zero malfunctions. So when people quibble over a sub 300 pistol thinking it must be junk, I have to laugh because the guy I sold my CZ 40B to, has since put 25,000 rounds through it himself and says it just keeps running and is accurate at POA. Here is my thoughts there are 3 gun platforms that are the most copied in the world those being CZ-75 and variants, Sig P226-229 and variants, and Browning's 1911 45acp. That speaks volumes. Now when it comes down to Poly Striker fired pistols Glock is the originator and most every pistol in that category owes some design cue to the Glock but that does not by any stretch mean that Glock is the best because quite honestly there are others with better ergonomics and trigger systems. Just my opinions from experience that and 10 cent still won't buy a cup of joe so take it for what you will.
I've got 229 Legion. I definitely like it, but... I'm hearing such great things about the CZ's. I really want to try some. No one carries them locally, so I have to make a little trip. ... Thanks for the video.
Thank you! Hopefully you'll get to try a CZ at some point soon. Cheers!
Question... How would you compare the grip angles of the CZ P01 & P07 to each other and to a Sig P229? ... If I am taking my time to aim and fire, grip angle is no big deal. But, I have found my natural grip angle puts a 1911 right on target. And, if I extend my wrist down so that my index finger points at the target, a Glock points 'just right.' What I've found is, my Sig 229 is in the middle. B/c of that, it is harder to consistently put my sights on target when I draw and fire with speed.
Looking Intently as an owner of both brands, I can assure you, you won't be disappointed. The CZ P01 is actually closer(alloy framed) to the 229. But the p07 def has merit with the reduced weight. Something about the curvature of the p01 makes me a fan...wasn't sure about the fat grips on it...but being able to change the look and feel certainly adds an interesting aspect as well.
Agree with the conclusion, and applaud your ability to choose the CZ after having payed so much more for that Sig.
I absolutely love my CZ P-07.
They are great Guns for sure! Thank you and cheers Keyan!
I have the Sig P320 compact in 9MM it’s awesome gun,…however I just purchased the CZ P-07 9MM I’m hoping that it will prove to be as great as my Sig…great video and a very good comparison…
How was it
Both great pistols, and I would agree with your assessment. I really do like my Sigs, but there is something about the P07 that I just love. I've got some videos coming out on just this subject, have a great weekend brother!
Thank you Fu! I can't wait to see what you have to say about them. They really are awesome indeed. Cheers brother!
CZ for me too. For me it just shoots much tighter patterns. Great video.
I just bought mine today. My first FA. I shot the Shadow 2 and instantly became a CZ fan. The P07 is just a better EDC because here in South Africa all FA's have to be concealed and the Shadow 2 was just impractical.
Fortunately, I don't have to choose between these great pistols. I have the P-07 and the 229 SAO Legon. Both are very reliable and very accurate. My latest toy is the Kimber KDS9c. All three of these guns are in my carry rotation. Thanks for the video.
I first met Vince Evans in 1983. I believe he was just getting started with blade smiting. It is great to see her has come so far.
I haven't seen or heard from him in many years.
I own both of these firearms and the p07 has won me over. I shoot every Tuesday night at my local range; both of my guns have thousands of rounds through them. The added plus for the p07 is that it can also use CZ 75 magazines.
That's awesome Counselor! I agree, they are both great shooters. The mag swaps do indeed make the P07 very attractive. Thank you and cheers!
Try the 229 with tac ops mags. 20 rounds! Yeah, buddy!!!
Very good comparison. I like both pistols, I have the the big brothers of these pistols. I love everything about the CZ. To pick one I'd go with the Sig Sauer P229 because of it's reputation, history and the points you brought out.
Thanks Keanon! I agree, both are great guns indeed. The 229 definitely has a great reputation and it really is a fine gun. That CZ is tough to beat though, especially for the price. Cheers brother!
KSGunGuy Yes, price is another factor!
CZ has always worked for me, without fail ever. Why would it change? I'm not paying for a name. I trust the P07 with MY LIFE.
Well said! Thank you and cheers!
Sig is not just a name, though one I went to. I like CZ, just not into polymers.
Thank you for your excellent videos as always. I had to subscribe! I am in the market for a smaller gun for my daughter and because of you, I narrowed it down to the Sig P229R, m&p 9 shield, and sig p238. She handled all three, and chose..... the sig p229r! I have not purchased it, and neither has she actually shot it admittedly, but I will be getting next overtime pay. The pawn shop we went is asking $979... yikes! I am in no rush so will be shopping around. But again thanks to you and all the other reviewers on TH-cam who seemed to like the 3 guns I mentioned for females...
You mentioned some great guns indeed! Thank you and cheers!
I owned both the P07 suppressor ready model and the P229. I sold the P07 and went with the P229. My P229 was a standard P229 made in Germany and for me it was the better firearm.
Thanks for the info but can you explain why it was better because I am looking at the 229? Also you mention it was a german SIG, are you claiming that I wouldnt be able to buy a quality SIG today?
@@francostacy7675 I meant the P226 was a better firearm than the P07 for me. I also own a P229 and a P239. Mine are older models made in Germany. From Quality, I don't think it makes a difference, but with the caveat that I have never shot a USA Sig. It should be fine as it is an established design. Made in Germany appears to be more valuable as a collector piece.
The P229 is a good gun. It is time proven. Air marshals carried them and might still carry them. The P226 would be better for competition.
The P229 will be a bit heavy. I do recommend a good holster (don't go cheap).
I love CZ’s .... I have the P07 and the all steel CZ 75B. These are in my collection and I’m a big fan of CZ quality. I must admit that I don’t have a Sig (other than the MPX) but can’t fathom that I’d get rid of my CZ’s. Love how they shoot. I do agree with you on the slide release, but I’m able to reach it ok as I have longer fingers. I really enjoy your reviews!
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
Currently owning a p229, I wouldn't mind having a cz-75 of some kind in my life as well.
I really like this series of reviews. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much Jeff! I enjoy making them. Cheers as always brother!
CZ P07 is my everyday carry. Awesome gun . Very accurate.
I agree with you on the CZ. Both are premium pistols but the cost of the Sig doesn’t justify choosing it over the CZ. Also with some very minor and very low cost spring changes the trigger pull weights for da/sa can be reduced 40-50%
I had a P-07 and it is beautifully made I hated the trigger and didn’t love the sights. I slid it and bought an Ed Brown EVO-9. The evo is a fantastic pistol one of the best triggers I’ve ever had and sights. Very different weapons I know but I carry what I shoot the best.
I do hope you are right, as I have ordered a P-07. My edc is a Sig P365XL and I am very happy with it, but I have become fascinated with CZ on TH-cam. Was initially in the hunt for a P-01(apparently a unicorn) but finally an Urban Grey 07 popped up and I quickly bought it.
Yes, Honest Outlaw's gun and color! How are you liking it?
As a lefty I love the more forward position of the slide release on the P-07. Makes it easy to hit it with my index finger
Great breakdown reveiw, if I have it right Sig S. is much more exspensive & typically is in the top drawer price collection, from that standpoint C.Z. runs away with itt. Thanx P.S.
Yes, the Sig is definitely more expensive. The CZ wins in that category hands down. The weight can be an advantage for recoil and control however. Thank you and cheers Pete!
I HAVE A P-226 MK-25, THREE CZ'S, P-07, P-01, 97B .45 CAL. ALL ARE OUTSTANDING, HAD TRIGGER JOB ON ALL CZ'Z AND THE P-226....WHICH MAKES THEM ALL TOP NOTCH!
When you compare price that’s when the CZ wins big lol.. I love me some sig.. well I did before my wife started only liking them and pistols started to cost me more. I guess I should be thankful I buy her one I get two for the same price lol.. I do wish everyone put night sights as standard sights on defensive/combat/duty pistols. Sig has already had that advantage. Their sa break has always been the cleanest around and only gets better after a few thousand rounds it starts to feel like a custom 1911 trigger.
Well said John and it sounds like you wife has awesome taste! Agreed about the night sights as well. Thank you for watching and cheers!
Switching my EDC from G19 to CZ P-07 love both but after roughly 2000 rounds in the CZ just like it better. Looking to see if you did a video on these two, if not can you?
That's awesome Andrew! Both are fantastic but it's tough to beat the P07. As for a comparison between the two, I haven't but it's something I may do soon! Thank you and cheers
This guy compares the two:
th-cam.com/video/5H7hsa31oUQ/w-d-xo.html
Well I'll soon own both Already have the CZ and my Sig 229 elite will be at the FFL tomorrow so can't wait, I like both as I've had both before but sold them got the CZ p07 last month and thanks to Trump lol, I got the Sig elite coming tomorrow! The best part is I didn't pay $800-$900... it was only $689 Brand New and comes with 3 mags, holster, barrel badge and even has a skeletonized hammer and custom style piranha Grips.. sweet gun And I plan to keep this one for awhile!!
No doubt the Sig. The P07 is good for what it is but the Sig is in a class above. The smoothness of the trigger and if you have the short reset trigger in the Sig its top notch. Great vid 👍
Thank you Youngguns! I agree, the Sig is awesome, especially with the SRT installed. Either way, you can’t go wrong with either one. Thank you and cheers brother!
Youngguns173SW I agree with you that it is "meant" to be in a class above, but not sure I agree. For the price you pay for the p229 you shouldn't have to spend more for the SRT. I understand choosing a side to justify a purchase, and I am a sig fan, owning several model handguns and rifles. But the fact if the matter is, you could send the p07 in to CGW and have them do a hammer/trigger job on it including the labor and still only be at 2/3 the price of the sig. Add to that the weight difference and the P07 is a clear winner to me. I don't have the 229, but I do have other Sig's starting at the p938 and going up to the p226. I also have two CZs with Omega triggers, and one without. Considering the price of some of the higher end CZs and how they function...I'm a fan of the CZs. Maybe it comes down to personal preference, but honestly If you look at the same money spent, the absolute only thing the sig wins at imho is the ease of racking the slide as there is much more real-estate. But even that is mitigated by the softer shooting lower bore axis. Some people say they can't feel the difference. I let my 115lb wife shoot my CZ after being a sig fan for years, and now I can't get my CZ back from her :( Anyways, great discussion. Cheers!
I own both as well, but I find the Sig trigger to be inferior to the CZ. I personally like the higher bore axis, but for some reason my CZ is more accurate. I have never had any issues with any ammo, and both always go bang. If I based my result on the trigger alone, the CZ wins hands down. To me the CZ wins as a carry gun, based on weight. But I will call it a draw, as I find I like to shoot the Sig. Both are quality made, but I find the SIg a notch above quality wise. If you compare the CZ to a Legion model the Sig's trigger is way better. If you look at price, the CZ is by far the better value.
id go CZ all day any day. In this comparison..you could buy two CZs for what youd spend on one Sig. But lets compare apples to apples. If i were to have a CZ that cost as much as the Sig...possibly a Shadow or a Shadow 2.. then there is really no comparison at all. The CZ will shoot circles around the Sig.
While I don't own a P229 I do own a P226 in a P220 so I'm no stranger to Sig, but the tested Sig P229 cost roughly three times as much as the PO7 and it absolutely positively is not three times the gun the PO7 is.
Nice to know that the P-07 is very close to the P229. I used the M11 in the army, 90s, but don't feel like paying the cost that a P229 currently is. I was out of the country for over a decade, non military/government, and I want something similar. I have a G19, but I'm not used to striker fired weapons right now.
Very good comparison. I have the P-07 40 cal. 12 round mags 3 back straps and I use the middle one for a large hand. Here's the kicker though yeah the decocker is cool I suppose somewhat novel in a safety way however when you switch out the decocker for the safety on the CZ the Omega trigger is worth tons, good reset and very smooth.
I just bought the cz p09. It spoiled me, it is soft shooting, and highly accurate. Definitely something I need to train with, to get use to shooting it, I got use to shooting the fn 509 c tac. Which has a way different sight picture and recoil impulse.
I just read all of the posts. It is amazing how many people own both of these pistols!
If I had to pick it would be the CZ, as it'll hold 18rds of 9mm in a compact gun
Sig p229 in 357 sig is one I have love it I gave up my G19 for it !
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
pokey 1911 I have one also it’s a beautiful beast
Good video, great guns. These are photo finish ties in my view. Ergos, capacity, designs, materials, light weight, accuracy, reliability - You cannot go wrong with either ... great times to have such great guns available!
Thank you and I agree! No doubt, these are indeed good times we live in for guns. Cheers!
2 very nice pistols. You do an excellent job on these comparison videos...Great work.
Thank you very much G17 and I agree about the two. Great shooters indeed. Cheers!
I have both models myself. Which one would I choose? It could change on a daily basis! LOL
To keep things apples to apples a better choose one comparison to the p229 would be the p01 and a better choose one comparison for the p07 would be the sp2022. In both cases I would take the Cz’s. Between the p229 and p07 I’d take the p229, probably my 3rd or 4th favorite handgun.
Thanks for the suggestions and feedback! The design of this series is to compare guns whether similar or different. It’s fun to throw some curve balls from time to time, lol. The SP2022 would be a great one though. I’m not a big fan of the P01 for some reason though I know many who love it. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. Thank you and cheers as always Railroad!
KSGunGuy yeah the sp2022 is kind of the forgotten compact 9mm. At under $400 every now and then it’s a real bargain, kind of the poor man’s p229. Seems like most of your choose one’s seem kind of similar so that’s why I mentioned that but ok, I got ya. Love the series, keep up the good work
That is very true, they are often similar. I know people like to see certain comparisons so I try to do that when it makes sense. I agree, under $400 is a steal for sure! Thank you again brother!
a closer comparison would be a pcr/p01, a fairer comparison would be a cajunized one.
I have the P09. It has never failed on any type of ammo in over 1100 rounds. Right now I am not even cleaning it because I want to see how far it can go. However after my first 200 rounds the gun failed and I had to send it back to manu. My DA trigger stopped working., the trigger did nothing. It still worked in SA, but not DA. Manu had it over 6 weeks and they replaced several parts. NOT HAPPY about that and it makes me doubt its reliability. The gun just broke for no reason and without any warning.
Today I was in a gun shop and dry fired a SIG 229. In dry firing the SIg's DA trigger was much smoother than my CZ, not sure which was heavier but I want a heavy DA trigger for safety reasons. To me if felt like the SIGS SA trigger was better than my p09 but I didnt measure it but I know it was smoother. Now the reset on the SIG BLEW AWAY MY P09.. My cheap Taurus TX22 has a better reset than my CZ. Now the feel or grip and the sights of the SIG I like better than my p09 even though I have a lot of dry firing and a 11000 rounds on my CZ. I personally dont think the triggers on the CZs are horrible but they arent anything special either. Now someone will say send it to custom shop or cajun...well then it cost as much or more than a SIG, and I will be without it, plus the manu I am assuming would no longer honor its warranty and who knows what those modifications do to longevity or to the safety of the gun.
Also the way I grip my gun, the bolt lock lever is huge and digs into my hand on the CZ. Not sure why its so big and I dont like it location. The SIG lever is better located and sized, but it has a mile of travel. Now, I dont like the price of the SIG....geez...really?
So am on the web looking at SIG 229s. Maybe my next gun. IF the price was lower it would be a big hell yeah.
I here all this about CZs....frankly I come to think its a lot of hype. I think a lot people just repeat what they have heard instead of owning and shooting it or being honest after they own it. I am just not that impressed to be honest. I have shot a SIG M17 and I could shoot that gun better than my CZ if I shot it slower but I did feel more muzzle flip in that SIG than my CZp09
Now dont get me wrong, I am keeping my CZ as my home defense go to. But that SIG sure felt good but i have never shot a 229 and so the CZ is my full size home gun and I have a subcompact for conceal carry and the SIG could be my compact carry. Also considering a Bersa TPR9C....fellow gunners, give me some advice.
The PO7 is notorius for two parts that WILL break under certain conditions. The captive roll pin for the firing pin(if dry fired excessively this applies to other models as well), and the trigger spring(It just breaks over time). If you get any CZ or have any on you, I do recommend looking into Cajun Gun Works. Though that isn't an option for everyone. No firearm is perfect.
Can't argue with range results. The CZ group was considerably smaller. I think you were spot on when you said the CZ was more accurate because its slide sits lower and produces less muzzle flip.
Thank you! Yes, both are great but the CZ just seems to be a flatter shooter for me. Cheers!
Good choice IMO - Tough to argue with the value that pistol represents.
Thank you very much Humble! Cheers
Great comparison! One thing that I've noticed with Sigs is that the triggers are fairly inconsistent from model to model. All are pretty good but some are excellent even on the base model guns. Even with a super trigger I'd still go with the CZ though. Great choice haha. I'll take that back. Completely stock the sig but if I can change the sights probably the CZ. I also like having the option to go SAO.
Sounds like you are on the fence with the two Harry! I agree though, you have to find the right trigger on the Sig. Thankfully this one has the SRT which makes it a real pleasure to shoot. Thank you as aways and cheers brother!
Even within the 229 series there are major difference. I can go from meh to this feels like a custom trigger by someone that knows what they are doing. I wish there were dealers around me that carried large selections of sigs so I could try each trigger. I almost bought a P227 because the trigger was that good even though I didn't want the gun(and it was selling for sub $600). Still you can't beat the 2022 for the money.
P229 SAS has been on my hip for several years daily. Before that the p220 even as far back as the heal clip mag release ones several decades ago when they first began showing up in the U.S. I trust them. They have never let me down.
That’s awesome Marty! The P series is a fantastic line from Sig for sure. Very classic and solid. Thank you and cheers!
Thank you for the comparison. The P-07 looks a lot better for a ccw. It just looks more compact, and also way less expensive. My ccws dont have lights or red dots. Want to be as simple as possible. Next step is to go rent a P-07 and see how it shoots. Thank you!
Imagine if the low bore axis of the CZ and the trigger of the Sig were on the same gun... Oh yeah, they can be.. Cajun Gun Works... and for about the cost of the Sig.
Love your channel; great comparison videos, all.
Thank you very much WDLC! Cheers! Great thoughts on your previous comments too!
Love my P-07. Vastly under rated and is an exceptional value. It is also a better looking and more comfortable pistol than the P229.
To each his own I suppose. Cheers!
No wrong answer here. Both are extremely reliable. If price was the same, it would come down to whether I wanted a heavier or lighter gun.
Both of these are in my top 5 favorite pistols so it’s a win/win.
Well said! Thank you and cheers!
I love my CZs but that decocker on the sig is nice. I think I may get me a Sig now because of that alone lol
Both are stellar pistols. I think I like the feel of the P229 better but am way more accurate with the P07. In fact the P07 with Cajun trigger is my favorite carry. Add a red dot to P07 and you can really reach out there
With these two p07 no questions
I love sig
My edc is sig p320c
But the p07 just feels so so much better then the sig
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
I know this is old now but excellent review. The P-07 is a really good gun by any standard but considering the price point it’s an excellent choice. Let’s face it, your EDC lives a rough life and if ever used will get taken from you. If I’m going to make a substantial investment in a handgun I’m probably not going to carry it around with me. All that and the double action is just a safe way to handle a weapon. You can guard the hammer when holstering. Also if you are excited and bringing it up to fire you’re not going to tap the trigger early. We are playing for keeps out here and these things must be considered. I also carry a Sig 365XL and a S&W 442 38 J frame, whatever fits my day best.
CZ or Sig? Man, that's a hard one for me! Thanks for the share!!
I’m not sure how old your P-07 is, but the trigger on mine is not like that at all. The double action is the same but in single action it’s waaaayyyy shorter on the take up and reset. It’s an absolute dream.
Some very nice pistols there...I am CZ fanboy but it is always hard to beat a Sig IMHO...Good winner...Good stuff...
Thank you very much Scott and I agree! Both are awesome and you can't go wrong with either. Cheers brother!
Pretty sure Big Johnson said "Glock 19 is best at everything, even Chris Kyle used a Glock 19 to take his longest confirmed shot"
Great video KS.. no surprise on the outcome.
More stuff like this please
Haha! Big J is such a HUGE Glock fan indeed! Thank you very much as always and cheers Farm!
Have several Sig’s, Rugers ……and a P-07.
Really enjoy my Sig M-11 A-1 and the 07 is the new kid on the block.
First time out with the 07 and shot it side-by-side with the Sig.
When the smoke cleared, I was actually thinking about tossing the 07 in the river…..
Didn’t like the trigger on double action…..and have no idea where the rounds went….!! ( did note the rear sight was NOT centered and I’ll own the rest…)
Crossed the bridge going home…..and kept the 07.
Decided to put some XS sights on it and put a few more rounds through it.
Glad I did.
Rounds are on target and the trigger is MUCH better. So much so, it’s a dead heat on a Merry-Go-Round as far as “keep only one” and the Sig vs P-07.
Great video KS! Both excellent pistols for sure!
Thank you very much brother! I agree, they are both fantastic. Cheers Nolan!
Great video, but I think it's sort of unfair. I love both of these guns, but what I noticed is that I did not shoot as well with the E2 grips on my P229 Enhanced Elite, so I bought the original polymer ones for $25-$30, and now I can shoot it more accurately. These guns are both more inherently accurate [compared to many pistols], so it's more about dialing in the grip. Remember, comfort is not a synonym for ergonomics (which deals with efficiency). Glock, despite what most say, even Glock fanboys, IS a very ergonomic grip because its grip-angle forces canting & locking your wrist which makes it more stable in shooting (helping it to shoot flatter). Similarly, I have found that to be true of Glocks [changing the grip can make it more accurate]. I can't quite master the trigger as well with the standard (small) grip. I have to add either the medium or large to get the best results although Glocks in the small backstrapless state allow me to better manipulate the mag catch. You don't even necessarily have to shoot the gun to see the results. Watching your front sight while dry practicing is how I usually discover it. I can usually freeze the sight with any grip or backstrap, but I notice the ones that tend to be more consistent than the others. So as far as the P229 is concerned, dialing in the gun unfortunately means ordering and experimenting with different grips. That's when the tack driving comes in.
Well said! I do think that Glocks are more ergonomic than many give them credit for. Changing your grip just a little to fit the gun you are shooting usually leads to a more positive experience at the range (or in other situations). Thank you and cheers!
I would love to see your take between the P07 and FN 509 Midsize. Those are basically the two I'm torn between right now. I'm aching to move away from my Glock 22
Great looking Sig! I am a fan of the classic P series Sigs and own a mid 1990s made P229 and love it. However, the CZs fit my hands better and if I had to chose one out of these two for actual use it would be the CZ as well. I have a P07 made in 2016 and it is outstanding. Only thing I would change on the P07 is I wish it had the grip texture of the M&P M2.0!
Thank you very much Claymore! I agree, they are both great Guns indeed. The p07 could definitely use some extra texture. Cheers brother!
I like your comparison, very similar handguns; I hate when people compare two guns that are totally different, but I get it, you compare what you have. One thing you didn't mention is the big price difference, like someone else mentioned you could have a Cajun Gun Works trigger job and night sights on the CZ for about the same price. I own the P07 and a Sig P226 and I would have to agree with your review, both are great, but the P07 is a little better to shoot.
Thank you J! I agree that there can be a huge price difference between the guns although the P229 was picked up new for under $700 which brings it closer to the P-07 (though still several hundred dollars off). Either way, they are both great guns indeed. Thank you and cheers!
I'm a Sig guy also and I also have the PO 7 and when I carry it's the po7 without a doubt
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
Can you compare those two pistols along with a Rex Zero 1 compact, HK P30C, Beretta 92fs compact, and maybe also the FNS-9...and any other worth putting in that group?
KS Gun.. Does the CZ and Sig have a kit to make it a decoder and safety. I'm kinda getting in to hammer single double action firearms. You didn't mention does the CZ and Sig have a ambi slide lock release i know you can move the mag release to the left on both of them. That's another thing I'm looking for left hand friendly firearms. If you have any suggestions on what firearms I should be looking at please give me a heads up. And like always great video and great information. Cheers My Friend.
Thank you Anthony and great questions! The CZ does has a swap-able decocker/safety. Most come with both. As for the slide lock/release, neither guns are left hand friendly. The Sig decocker is also not swap-able. I would still recommend the CZ but there are also a lot of good striker fired guns out there that are very left hand friendly. Maybe M&Ps, Glock Gen 5, HK VP9, etc. Hope that helps and cheers!
The 229 is a brick! Sigs are great guns but for carry I would go CZ
Both are great but I agree... for carry, you can’t go wrong with the Sig. Thank you for watching and cheers!
Exactly..Salut from Perú..
great choice my CZ P-01 is awesome by any standard....
Great reveiw, Real close , I like the trigger reset & build on the Sig coupled with the decocker & hammer which is hallmark at a twitch of the thumb. Price? (Sig may loose on this).