Doctor Who 12x2 REACTION!! "Spyfall: Part Two"
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Vote in our polls and see certain Blind Wave videos early!! / blindwave
Blind Wave is Sponsored on Patreon by:
Keyboard Junkie
Website www.blindwave.net
Twitter : / blindwaveprod
FaceBook : / blindwaveproductions
Twitch: / blindwave
Discord: / discord
Snapchat: blind_wave
Subreddit: / blindwave
Send us Stuff at: P.O. Box 304 Marietta, OH 45750 - บันเทิง
War Doctor, 10, 11 and 12: "Gallifrey is saved."
Chibnall: "Reverse card"
Here's looking at you kid
@@sneezylasagne8534
Time Lord is a rank:/ The Doctor *is* the time lord.
11th Doctor: So Gallifrey's ok.
Curator: Absolutely (lol jk.)
GALLIFREY FALLS NO MORE (because it actually got completely eradicated so there's not even anything left over to fall)
@@Wolf6119
Doctor plays mind games again.
@@Wolf6119 "No, Gallifrey Falls More"
Chibnall: “Thats where everybody is wrong you see? It’s all one title: No, Gallifrey Falls More.”
@@Crims0nKing1 lmao ahahahah
It's all one title: Gallfirey falls again.
"no more. Gallifrey falls"
“No, Gallifrey Falls More.”
"Gallifrey stands no more."
So, about the 'real names' thing. Doctor and Master are not their true names, of course. Time Lords take on a new name when they get their abilities which is intended to be a kind of description of what they're going to be. As for what the Doctor's real name is? We, the fans, have no idea, as Time Lords generally don't give them out to anybody who isn't a close personal loved one. That's why 10th was so stunned when River Song whispered his in his ear back in the library because that was all the proof he needed she was someone he clearly trusted completely in the future. There's also a certainty that the Master and the Doctor know each other's names because they grew up together. I think the reason he keeps asking her/him/whatever to use Master is because it drives the point in that he isn't who used to be anymore.
I could be wrong, but I thought the implication was that if a Time Lord abandons Gallifrey, they have to "forsake" their name and take on a title. The Doctor, The Master, The Rani, The Corsair, all general descriptions of what this Time Lord is all about.
I always looked at it in a completely different way. The Doctor has always been his actual name this entire time. Same with The Master. It's suggested a couple times that the term "doctor" came from him helping people. This would suggest that the term "master" comes from The Master taking over civilizations and subjugating them. I don't know if I explained what I was thinking very clearly, but that's how I always viewed it. Doctor was only a name (without the meaning with which we now associate it), and The Doctor helping people is what made "doctor" mean what it does now. Just like the line, "...The Doctor. The original, you might say."
That being said, it doesn't matter all that much, as the show will NEVER say what his "real name" is. That's like hyping up a joke, saying it's going to be hilarious. It has to be the funniest joke ever told, or else it just won't be funny. There is no name they could conceivably say is The Doctor's real name that won't seem disappointing in some way.
Also with the bootstrap paradox, they did it before with Smith escaping from the pandorica.
And in The Lodger with James Corden...and a few other times too I think.
"Time Crash", with 10 and 5 (maybe the first explicit bootstrap paradox in nuWho ?).
i really want to see episode that only have 13 and the master
i feel that this master really the perfect match for 13th doctor
Yeah, their chemistry is so good.
"Contact" is from Classic Who as well as the reference to jodrell bank where the 4th doctor regenerated
A continuity error, as it wasn’t Jodrell Bank where the Doctor regenerated, it was Pharos.
@@mekonta the pharos project was located at jodrell bank
@@youngbutretro4228 The location used was Crowsley Park BBC Receiving Station (with some stock footage of Jodrell Bank radio telescope) but it wasn't 'Jodrell Bank' in name, it was a fictional location. Hence the continuity error in Spyfall. It would seem a tiny bit of research is beyond Chibnall.
@@mekonta ok
Adam Dare How is this a continuity error on Chibnall’s part?
The Master’s facial hair in his TARDIS hologram is his best facial hair. In this essay, I will ...
THE REAL REASON BEHIND THE MASTER'S FACIAL HAIR (like comment and subscribe)
"He doesn't still have that rubbish beard, does he?"
"No, no... Well, a wife."
This MASTER is post-Missy. Chris Chibnall and Sacha Dhawan both confirmed it. His return to madness will be explored in upcoming episodes and seasons.
Where did they say they would explore why he became evil again?
That has got to be the single worst writing I have ever heard of if that's true. Absolutely god-awful writing. I can't stand Chris Chibnall
Please please please watch Curse of Fatal Death! When the Doctor does the plane thing I instantly thought of that lol. And doubly so since it happens off-screen, just like in CoFD
4:32: That transition into those past clips was brilliantly edited in!
This master is very classic who inspired. The shrinking device and telepathy are from classic who.
Idk if anyone's said this yet but the whole "contact" thing is from classic who
First appeared in "The Three Doctors" (1973).
Tennant also used it to remove Donna’s memory of him, didn’t he? Otherwise her mind would have broken
@@CameronAPriest "Contact" is a specific method Time Lords use to communicate telepathically with each other. What Donna went through was a mind-wipe, which isn't quite the same... although it may have a telepathic component, come to think of it. Interestingly, the Doctor has used telepathy on other occasions - to try to communicate with Erato in "Creature From The Pit", and to read a Dreg's memories in "Orphan 55".
Was also in the Five Doctors too toward the end. Which is funny, the Blind Wave guys remember the silly jumping robot but they don't remember this.
Honestly for as much as Aaron researches for them I am annoyed he didnt take a look at what contact was and just assumes its taken from Star Wars, like cmon dude research a bit more
Noor Khan was a real person. She was captured and executed by the Nazis in Dachau concentration camp. So her appearance in this episode was pushing the limits a bit. The British awarded her The George Cross posthumously.
Why was it pushing the limits? As long as the scenes in 1943 Paris are set between June 17 (when she started working as a spy in Paris) and October 13 (when she probably was arrested) it's completely fine.
@@AmarthwenNarmacil I don't mean the limits of what would be feasible historically. More the difficulty of getting the right tone when using a real, recent historical character who was murdered by the Nazis. I think they got it right; she was played perfectly straight and portrayed as heroic, but it was quite a risky thing to do.
@@stevesm4 Thanks for the clarification! Yeah, I agree with you.
@@stevesm4 Which is ironic considering they literally used Hitler as a comic relief character.
Benni Benni Benni next week
BENNI?
Oh no I remember that woman and her annoying catchphrase.
_WhErE's BeNnI?!?_
In my opinion, because Missy met a previous incarnation & getting “killed” - it erased her memory of the event. So from her POV - she travelled with the Doctor, was abandoned & regenerated. So it makes sense why he would be mad - of course then he goes to Gallifrey and finds out the Timeless Child stuff and that’s what really hits them off.
Agreed. Missy went through quite a lot in the lead up to being "killed" by a previous version of herself. And new regenerations (both, the Doctor and Master), even though there is a constant throughline, are always a reaction to what came before. What does seeking redemption become when you find out you have been lied to about everything you thought you were and knew? The answer is... this version of the Master.
Plus it really feels this master is overcompensating with the evilness. Like he’s almost putting it on when in reality he’s hurt after being abandoned and left for dead
But they only lose the memories when they're the past regeneration so that they can live it in the future ones and since Missy was the most recent regeneration there she shouldn't lose her memorie
@@atryon7 Yeah, the "memory trick" they use to avoid the problem of foreknowledge when Doctors meet only applies to the past Doctor(s) so the same should hold for the Master. Missy was the "present" Master so she'd remember. There're plenty of ways to explain the re-evilled Master but that's not one IMO.
Missy would have remembered the same way eleven remembered DOTD as the oldest incarnation there. The others would forget until they lived that moment. And it's already explained why they changed back to being evil, the timeless child stuff broke them and made them snap again.
The master on the tower is talking about the time he killed The 4th Doctor by throwing him off a building
I totally get your confusion about Gallifrey and where/when it is. I think it's in a separate bubble reality at the end of the universe, which is how it was described the last time we were there (during Capaldi's time). It was hinted that Clara and Me/Ashildr could always go back there in their TARDIS, as Clara's life is held in place by it (after the 12th Doctor extracted her from the time of her death). It's not known if the damage done to Gallifrey has impacted on this or not. But obviously the Doctor is able to punch through to the bubble reality in this episode (we see a graphical change in the time-vortex when she does this). I think it's easier to get to this way than it was when it was "time-locked" during the RTD era and they were stuck at the end of the Time War. It was repeatedly stated back then that no-one could get through to it, even though Dalek Caan managed to in Season 4 (costing his sanity and casing).
In fact the last time we were on Gallifrey (in 'Hell Bent') 12 explicitly says:
CLARA: I thought you said Gallifrey was frozen in another dimension?
DOCTOR: Well, they must have unfrozen it and come back.
CLARA: How?
DOCTOR: I didn't ask. It would make them feel clever.
Elsewhere in the episode the General says "Gallifrey is currently positioned at the extreme end of the time continuum, for its own protection. We're at the end of the universe, give or take a star system." (no mention of bubble universes). 12 does say _Ashildr_ has created a reality bubble (to view the end of the universe from) but that's not the bubble Gallifrey was in. So if Gallifrey actually _is_ in a bubble universe when the Master/13 go there and see it destroyed then that's either a time before the events of [ETA: swap 'Day of...' for] 'Hell Bent' or yet to be explained (or maybe just a plot-hole/mistake).
oh boy this season is gonna be wild....
Nope
jope
I think it's ok if this Master is after Missy. Personalities can change between regenerations. Besides, the ending of Doctor Falls is made more tragic if her redemption was unseen and undone: Missy represents the glimmer of goodness that the Doctor hoped to be inside, but (s)he can never be 100% sure.
"Personalities can change between regenerations"
Doesn't work like that, you have to check the narrative logic first...and if Missy/Dhawan isn't explained, then that's the worst writing possible and a shitty character, unfortunately.
Imagine : a Doctor whose entire development is to become nicer (9th for example, and I'm talking about development, not about his character), and the next regeneration he becomes a cruel stupid man, cancelling the whole character development from before without any explanation?
@@archus9788 and it was fully explain,
@@archus9788 The story is still ongoing. How long did it take to find out how Missy became Missy?
@@archus9788 The Master and their life has always been somewhat a mystery. There are many holes in his/her story, many unexplained things about him/her and their life. So Master's new regeneration appearing without any context or premise has been done before and is unexplained thus far(people still make theories about certain Master's regenerations). Meaning the writers can fully avoid the narrative logic, leaving the Master a mystery-to-be, just like he was since his first appearance ir Doctor Who.
P.S. Also(just like the Doctor), it's THE MASTER we're talking about! Of course he's alive, how can't he be?
P.P.S. If we're only talking about NuWho, I'd say that the Doctor has had this dark side in him/her too, and look what 10th did in The Waters of Mars. What makes you think the Master isn't capable of that too? After all, Missy/Dhawan is the same person.
I'd be quite curious to know if the rest of the guys are checking Melron's reactions as they go along though. :)
1 story on Gallifrey was all we had before it got destroyed again. Just like when Episode 7 killed all the Jedi off and you never even got to see them.
I enjoy this season, but some choices I just can't.
@Michael Star Wars.
@Michael In Episode 7 Luke's Jedi Order were killed off by Kylo.
You can tell even they're getting annoyed at Chibbers writing
Answering the crew's questions,
1.) The Time War is "time locked" meaning nobody can enter or exit it (unless the story comes up with a loophole such as with Rassilon trying to escape in 'The End of Time' or the Moment bringing the Tenth and Eleventh Doctor into it in 'The Day of the Doctor'). And I am not certain but I think that Gallifrey's past was included within that time lock (if there even is a past considering it's a *Time* War). The details around how the Doctor saves Gallifrey are vague but the result is Gallifrey being moved to a bubble universe. The Doctor still did not know how to get to Gallifrey though so it remained lost to him in that sense until 'Heaven Sent'/'Hell Bent' where he is brought there by the Time Lords (specifically an incarnation of Rassilon after Timothy Dalton). Since then, he has known Gallifrey's location and presumably chosen to not return (given how negatively things went for him in 'Hell Bent') until this point where the Master gives the Doctor a reason to check back (only to find out that the Master has destroyed everything etc., you know the rest). So in terms of what that means now, the Doctor can theoretically visit Gallifrey at any point in its timeline after it was moved to the bubble universe. But obviously, if she were to visit a still alive Gallifrey (any time between it entering the bubble universe and the Master destroying it), she would have to be mindful to not create any paradoxes.
2.) John Simm's Master in 'The End of Time' set the DNA altering device to turn humans into himself. That's why other species weren't affected (e.g. the Doctor, the Vinvocci scientists and every other Earth-based animal). Donna wasn't affected because the Doctor put some kind of protective mental blocker on her when he erased her memory, and Wilf wasn't affected because he was inside the radiation chamber when the DNA altering device was used. Therefore, Sacha Dawan's Master wouldn't have turned into John Simm's Master although he may well have interacted with himself (not that he'd remember doing so).
3.) The bootstrap paradox situation isn't quite the same problem as in 'The Flash'. Whenever the Flash learns a new, powerful ability, it raises the question of why he doesn't use that a lot more than he does. In 'Doctor Who's case, the Doctor isn't in control of when a bootstrap paradox occurs (by definition of a bootstrap paradox, it has no creator), however, it is something that a writer should use sparingly as it's basically a cheap get out of jail free card.
Eric: 0:54
Me: You have a go at the Doctor Who Theme, the best theme ever made, you have a go at me mate! I’LL FIGHT FOR THAT THEME FOREVER!!!
This two part premeire was ok imo .
The Kassavin-Barton stuff is definitely pushed to the side in favor of the Master which I was ok with personally since the Doctor-Master interactions are my favorite part of the episode .
It was cool to learn about historical figures such as Ada Lovelace and Noor Inayat Khan and while the actresses do well , we sadly don’t get enough time to flesh them out due to the nature of the story.
The Ryan, Graham and Yaz stuff is fine ..the laser shoes thing is silly fun but I did like them acknowledging that they really don’t know anything about The Doctor even though they have travelled with her for awhile .
Sacha Dhawan as The Master is the highlight of this premiere imo ..so chaotic , hot tempered & insane on the surface but deep down , a more damaged and fatalistic version of the character then before !!.
Gallifrey after Day of the Doctor was put into a bubble universe. During the events of Heaven Sent/Hell Bent, the Timelords got out of the bubble universe, by their own methods, & came back into the main universe, just at the tail-end of everything so that no one would notice their return.
In short, Chibnall's done a continuity error of one of the biggest series plot threads in New Doctor Who.
He just choose to not consider Hell Bent, which is a very painful episode. And Moffat did the same with RTD and RTD did the same with classic who. It happens all the time, don't k ow why it's now a problem with Chibnall.
It not really a continuity error. The Master wouldn’t have been able to blow up Gallifrey if it hadn’t come back.
Like I absolutely LOVE this Master and this Doctor and the 12th series is way better than the 11th, but the whole timeless child plot, including destroying Gallifrey AGAIN is soooo unnecessary.
Well Chibnall listen to the Audience before about Series 11 and we got series 12. Maybe he listen again and we got a better series 13. It would be pretty cool if in Series 13 exist an Episode were 13th Doctor meets 11th and both have to fight against the Dhawan Master, because (in my opinion) the current master reminds me alot of Smith sometimes from his portrayal.
The Master says he took a trip home to Gallifrey in its "bubble universe," although it is established in Hell Bent that Gallifrey became unfrozen from another dimension and returned to the real universe, though at the extreme end of the time continuum.
That's kind of why I didn't mind Gallifrey being destroyed; yes, the Doctor absolved their guilt for their part in the Time War, but that doesn't mean there was anywhere for the Time Lords to go. They were hated across the universe and announcing their return would spark the Time War again, so they were basically backed into a corner.
If we all can forget the existence of Hell Bent its better for everyone, thank you.
@@concettasorvillo3719 I like where your head's at.
@@seamusburke639 for all my problems with the recent seasons, I admit this was an actually smart decision. Honestly the Time Lords work best gone than around.
I started watching Doctor Who around Christmas time and I'm finally caught up with you guys. Been a 'fantastic' journey.
Edit:BTW after every episode, I watched your reactions to that episode.
I do that too with all TV shows and movies. Watching their reaction after the episode makes me reflect on it and not rush through the entire series
Was blown away by Sacha Dhawan's performance as the Master here, plus that ending was completely unexpected.
Peter Capaldi is the best actor who played the doctor Sacha dhawan is the best actor the play the master in my opinion
charles franze I don’t know. Dhawan is great but I think Gomez is the best.
@@pjgs4933 everybody is to the own opinion gomez is my 2th best master
I love him but I think Delgado is the best
@@sebastianbrown2270 he is awesome master without him. It won't be other Masters the original master you might say
The idea is that time is a long string from the first second to the last, all in existence. It's all straight and knotted, until a time machine comes along. Loops and crossed timelines, and pocket time strings... it becomes a giant knotted, jumbled mess. Time machines have their own time separate from the rest of the universe, so they too have their own time-strings that weave in and out of the main path. Then there is relativity, which throws a nice big monkey wrench in the whole thing. Really, time is more of a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff
This season is thousand times better than the 11th
En Riz and its still shit
@@keithwatson1384 and it's not
Still doesn't make it good sadly
Ethan Prendergast it has a very good middle episode and finale has major impact on the whole of doctor who but yeah the series isn’t that great as a whole
Ethan Prendergast I think next series will be interesting considering the events of the finale and with certain information that’s been released about it no spoilers
Should have had a clue that the Master was large in these episodes, considering his drumbeats are now in the theme....
That mind technique thing is from Classic Who they just haven’t done it since it came back in 2005.
I hope our Gallifrey is safe but this gallifrey along with the master, cyberman and ruth is part of an alternate universe
I like this incarnation of The Master I just hate how Chibnall seems to pretend Missy never existed and her redemption Arc was pointless
Unless he's a Master before Missy. There was something Missy said that proves she's after this Master.
Erm, except no Master has ever been written as a continuation of the previous ones, really. I mean, they recognized that Ainley's Master killed Nyssa's father for a body, what...once? Maybe?
didn't Moffat do the exact same thing? the last time we'd seen the Master before Moffat's era he was saving the Doctor from Rassilon. Next thing you know you've got Missy converting dead people into cybermen
I will only be angry about it if he's confirmed to be post-Missy. I swear that was one of my favourite things about Series 10.
There was an interesting theory going around that Missy only redeemed herself due to the absence of the drums, once she regenerated the drums came back, and thus- this master!
Have these been filmed a while ago? Because some of your other reactions you aren't together
They must have recorded this a couple of weeks ago because all their other reactions they’re in different locations
Yeah, I think most of this season was prerecorded before the pandemic
Next episode is the first one during it and without Shane.
Plus Shane took a break a month (ish) ago so they've maybe already finished series 12.
They talk about recording a bunch before cause of some convention or so, but now it prep for the virus
@@jacobhogan3208 fuck i was hoping he wouldn't miss episode 5 but it was going to happen :/
The Curator be like: lol, got ya
24:00 I want "There was a God Frog that force pushed her back into reality" on a t-shirt
Best season of Doctor Who since series 5 in my opinion
Dan Hayward Easily. I think I might like this even more than series 5 tbh.
*Me: The Master was great in this series.*
*The show runners: What about everything else?*
*Me: …...…*
*Me: The Master was great in this series.*
When this came out I’d just been to Jodrell Bank the week before.
Did you fall off ?
Anon Ymes yeah
But don’t worry. The moment had been prepared for.
Don’t try and make any sense of it, from now all canon is gone and destroyed… People try to make excuses but they redcon 50 years of glory
This episode was quite good. I loved Ada (my scientist daughter knew who she was immediately, as well as Babbage). I love when historical characters are companions. The new master ONLY works for me if he’s a pre Missy Master. He works fine post Simm and pre Missy.
As far as gallifrey, who knows how and when this is unfolding or even if it’s the normal timeline or universe? I’ve no idea.
He's confirmed as post-Missy.
Mark Saunders until we see it in air it can be changed. Chibnall may have planned him as post missy but he makes little sense that’s way
Just stop reacting to these now they get worse and worse. It’s dead. If you wanna react to good British drama I would recommend gangs of London, line of duty or top boy.
Oh boy, Everything is indeed a lie.
Galifrey stands no more
Eric is totally right about the plane thing. Back when this episode aired in January, people were really pissed because Doctor Who is usually really good about not going back on established events. We've even seen that have consequences back in Series 1 in Father's Day. It's a big issue in the continuity tbh.
However, if the Doctor didn’t go back the companions would be dead. Bootstrap paradox for you.
Hmm, "big issue in the continuity" ? By this point bootstrap paradoxes had appeared often in nuWho, especially in Moffat's era, for whom it was almost a calling card (hell, 'The Day of the Doctor' is entirely predicated on the Doctor going back and changing their timeline). Does it make the idea of peril on the show problematic ? Absolutely. But that already happened in e.g. 2010's "The Big Bang", when 11 got himself out of the Pandorica because... 11 had got himself out of the Pandorica (it was a _literal_ Bill and Ted's situation - "Having escaped, i'll go back and give Rory the sonic so I can escape" - and personally I loved it). Or maybe most explicitly in 2015's "Before the Flood", when 12 not only goes back into his own timeline but even directly tells the viewing audience that the events form a bootstrap paradox ! So yeah, Eric is right. But he's been right for a decade at least. Not sure why this particular instance is such a big deal (beyond it being fairly explicit, so that maybe more viewers actually noticed the "problem").
@@anonymes2884 This is not a bootstrap paradox! Reading this comment section makes me realize how little people comprehend when they watch things. Let's use "Before the Flood" and its second part as an example. This was a Capaldi and Clara episode. So. The bootstrap paradox in that episode is when the doctor goes back in time to before the flood, after which, his ghost appears, but it is saying something different from what the other ghosts are saying. So, the Doctor thinks he is going to die. Instead, he programs a hologram to act as the ghost that Clara sees, making it say the same words. Who had the original thought? Who composed Beethoven's 5th? He does something BECAUSE he saw that thing in the future. Now let's look at what happens in this episode. The Doctor sees that her friends died because she forgot to save them. Seeing them dead is what prompts her to go back in time and tell them to remind her to save them. So now, the doctor will save them, thus the doctor will not see them dead later, which will not prompt her to go back and tell them to remind her to save them. So. Paradox, but not a bootstrap paradox. Going back in time to save them will prevent the series of events that prompted her to go back in time and save them, whereas, in a bootstrap paradox, you are going back in time to set in motion the series of events that prompted you to go back in time.
@@mr.scarlo2234 Not bootstrap. Because the Doctor went back and changed the series of events that led to her going back, she prevented herself from experiencing the series of events that led to her going back in time to save them. That breaks continuity, whereas a bootstrap paradox is ALL continuity.
19:52 - Yeah, the Master only turned humans into copies of himself.
19:58 - Wilf didn't get turned into a copy because he was in the special radiation shielded box at the time.
20:03 - Donna isn't fully human. She was turned into a Human-Timelord Meta-Crisis, the Doctor may have erased her memory but that wouldn't have reversed the changes made to her.
So... Once they finish Doctor Who, are they gonna do another huge catch up series? Like Star Trek? And if so, are they doing release order, or Chronological Order, starting with Enterprise? Would they do two a week because there's 800 episodes/movies? Hmmm, we gettin' close to the end!
in which the Doctor uses somebody's race against them
@dr103 and then turned off his perception filter that he was using to appear aryan, and left him to the nazis
Lenny Lynch yup. Awful.
GamingWithChu yes she does. Anyone with eyes can see that.
@GamingWithChu well she kinda did. She purposely turned of The Master's perception filter so the nazis would see that he wasn't Aryan.
It would have been better if the Master's spy name was H instead of O because H in morse code is . . . .
after hell bent there was the comic story about rassilon teaming up with the last remaining cybermen to take over time and space converting the timelords (yea it was a multi doctor story)
Thanks, Eric! Thanks, Shane! Thanks, Calvin! Thanks, Aaron! ⏳
BAD WRITING - as if Ada Lovelace would speak American english. "Momentarily" means 'for a moment' over here, not 'in a moment' like in the US.
Such a shame the "timeless child" leads to a franchise killer.
Now I can say after nearly a year since series 12 this master is after missy.
4:28 'Paris, 1943' - 'DA BLITZ!' (typical American)
Irritates me how useless this Doctor is whenever someone points a gun to her head. She literally got down on her knees and said Master. I mean... you know alien martial arts, do something yo. Not carrying a gun only works when you can handle yourself if your held at gun point, which the Doctor usually can. This Doctor has a habit of just... going "oh" when someone has a gun.
I think that the Master is clearly post-Missy. He has died many times in the show and has always come back.
He specifically said that Gallifrey was in a bubble.... So it is definitely after Hell Bent at some point.
I think it's still possible she's been in an alternate time line ever since Orphan 55.
@@sallyatticum Gallifrey isn't in a bubble by the end of 'Hell Bent' so are you saying they go _back_ into a bubble ?
@@anonymes2884 Is it not? I haven't re-watched Hell Bent so I can't really remember.
@@sallyatticum Clara and 12 talk about it and say*:
CLARA: I thought you said Gallifrey was frozen in another dimension?
DOCTOR: Well, they must have unfrozen it and come back.
CLARA: How?
DOCTOR: I didn't ask. It would make them feel clever.
And earlier the General says, "Gallifrey is currently positioned at the extreme end of the time continuum, for its own protection. We're at the end of the universe, give or take a star system." (no talk of bubbles) which seems fairly conclusive. So could be the Master's reference to Gallifrey in a bubble means it's before the events of 'Hell Bent', could be it's still to be explained or could just be a mistake on Chibnall's part.
* from the great transcripts website www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/ BTW - love the show but I haven't memorised all the scripts :-)
Gallifey stand, no more.....
i do love that the "very personal code" that the master was sending in morse actually just "hhhh hhhh hhhh" to any onlookers
2 eps till the BIG EPISODE
And then another BIG ONE being the finale
*3
So why did the Doctor have to wipe her memories? That's never had to be done in the past
Anyone else want to see Barton return? He just kind of left the episode with no real conclusion.
Because she say WWII, she lost hope for the future, the doctor was worried that meant she wouldn't be inspired to invent any more. And the WWII person she wiped so she wouldn't know how the war ended, so she would do her job unbiased by the knowledge.
And because Ada will have an adventure with the Fourth doctor.
So the Doctor (Jodie) is making sure she won't recognize her/him when they meet again
@@jvictor001 cool. I am only caught up to 3. Nice
The Doctor implies that even mentioning the word 'computer' to Ada could have huge anachronistic ramifications, changing the timeline of mankind's technological evolution.
Jonny Harris Except the Doctor _should_ know that Ada already knew the word 'computer' (in her time it meant a person that performed calculations and had been in use for hundreds of years). Also, Ada has already met Babbage (and been hugely impressed by his prototype Difference Engine) so the Doctor talking about a 'computer' won't change anything, her path is already set. _If_ that's Chibnall's in-universe reasoning then it's flawed (there are out-of-universe reasons why they feature memory erasing but in-universe it's pretty thin IMO).
What do you think happened to the master's tardis? how did he escape from the kasaavin dimension, and how does he travel back in time to land in the season finale ??
Chibnall is playing with Moffat's guidebook.... "The image of an Angel becomes an Angel".... But... 10 had a picture of an Angel in his pocket... "Yep. Moffatt's guidebook...."
Gallifrey was "lost" because the memory of the event couldn't be retained by those that did it. BUT, 13 wasn't there, so she has the memory.
What if... this is the Master BEFORE he was banished to the end of the universe? Before he became Yana?
No, the masters real name is not the master. It’s Koschei.
the spy master is after missy. The dying Missy created an Elysian field to regenerate her body into a distillation of all her goodness. The regenerated Missy, inspired by the Doctor, went out to do good in the universe and abandoned her previous identity as the Master to go as the Lumiat. The Lumiat would foil several of Missy's schemes, causing Missy to believe the Lumiat was the Doctor. After revealing her identity, the Lumiat accompanied Missy on some trips, trying to act as a good influence on her. She also stole Missy's Tissue Compression Eliminator. However, she was mortally wounded by Missy after she grew bored of her, and was forced to regenerate, with Missy speculating that the next incarnation would not share the Lumiat's good nature. She subsequently dumped her on a random planet, where she completed her regeneration into the spy master
You need to learn how to structure a sentence. I think I understood what you were trying to say though lol. This is an interesting theory.
it's not a theory. It's in Missy's second big finish audio series@@johnmathewson6630
1943 paris is not the blitz
The big bang episode
0:57 “Because it fucks up” “IT DOESNT FUCK UP” beautiful unison from Calvin and Aaron
Great Video
Why does Shane hate rubber knickers? I've used my Girlfriend's a few times when I ran out of adult nappies.
Guys - just stop here. Honestly. Save yourselves! Disaster ahead. Just to prove a point, I’ve just been watching a bunch of your videos from Rose onwards, and believe me, you should watch your own reaction videos from the start and work forward to this point. As I’ve watched sequentially, your demeanour, your energy, your excitement, your lowered voices... it’s clear what you’re feeling, just say it louder. It sucks.
If they want to react to it, then they will react to it not listen to some butthurt telling them to stop just because he doesn't like this series. This is easily the best series since Series 5 and you can tell they are enjoying it (except Shane but he never liked Doctor Who much anyway) and I look forward to seeing the rest of their reactions to this amazing series.
@@IlikeTrainsguy100 Do you not realise how utterly nasty you come across with your borrowed trope language?
ANYONE with a reading age above 12 can tell that this writing is APPALLING. Plot holes you could fit the inside of the TARDIS through, NO character development, complete sacrifice of storyline and character development to focus on 'conversations' and 'issues', a complete disaster of a finale that completely rewrites the shows DNA (as well as The Doctor, who after 2 series has STILL failed to grasp what the role is who acts on ONE note all the time and is written like a complete idiot). It's written by political poets, Emmerdale soap opera writers, and people who know NOTHING about science fiction.
I'm ECSTATIC you love it so much, but would you MIND stop acting like a complete BIGOT and allow me my opinion, which is based on an understanding of the craft clearly better than you do.
So, take your childish hysterical batshit crazy rhetoric you learnt off the internet and take it back to the climbing frame and go pick your nose and get scabby knees like the rest of you oiks.
GamingWithChu No I called him a bigot for being intolerant of my opinion. He’s the one who was looking to rile me, now you want to start too. What is WRONG with you people? Is it congenital or something? You just can’t help yourselves. Now sod off.
@@Problembeing How was I being nasty or bigoted or even looking to rile you? The only unfriendly thing I said was that you were butthurt but judging by your responses I was clearly correct. All I was saying is that you cannot tell otjer people what to do just because YOU don't like the thing THEY want to do. That is not how life works. Also, you were the one being seriously rude and nasty when all I said is to not tell people what to do and that I liked this series. Where in that sentence did I say I did not recognise your opinion?
Maybe the lie of the Timelords is that they haven't developed their abilites on their own, but stole everything and over time their real origins were forgotten.
Kind of like in the Myst universe, where the Ronay seem to have exploited the Bahro's natural ability to teleport between worlds and turned it into "the art". (Hope someone reads this who knows what I'm talking about).
The Doctor appears in various timelines including the Inventor's fair and World War II
I just realized how hot Shane is😂 especially without the beard😁
wow that poker face... hehe
They used the Master for information so he didn't get executed :
And this is when all the shit goes downhill. Prepare for dissapointment and anger!!!
Eric: WTF was that !? Me: nothing good😑
I still think that this master is the one before missy.
Wrong
Sacha is pretty much the only thing I like about this run lmao. He is a phenomenal master
"telepathetic" im dead
Isn't Gallifrey in a stasis chamber? Is that the same as the ones in the season 11 finale?
@dr103 in heaven sent its explained that the time lords moved gallifrey back into the universe. This episode makes it clear that chibnall doesn't watch doctor who cause it's a massive contradiction
@@dd-ye2zq Did they explain that the Time Lords did that? I don't recall.. Well, if that is the case, then this Master could very well be pre-Missy. I still think it could be in an alternate time line.
@dr103 You can't convince Chibnall-Haters of anything related to Chibnall. They are going to believe what they want to believe and it's usually the worst thing they can imagine.
loved it
imagine if doctor who fans stopped valuing strict canon conformity above every other aspect of the show, including plot, character development, the showrunner/writers leaving their own mark on the show without being hampered by earlier established minor lore.... we'd have a much more harmonious fanbase
Well, genius, plots in a serial IS canon, dear. There has been terrible writing and absolutely no character development whatsoever. Chibnall is not fit to retcon Doctor Who. By ‘harmonious fanbase’ you’re actually say ‘compliant’. No. I’ve been a fan for 41 years and I know what Doctor Who IS and when it is NOT.
thegentleassassin maybe if fans of this terrible era had a little more EMPATHY for those who are aghast at what’s happened to something they have loved since they were kids in the 70s, THAT would help. We just want to be free to express our frustration and not be issued death wishes, to be told to “get out of the fandom” and the usual “BYE BYE”. Happy for you to like it, not happy to be told I have to and that I’m ‘wrong’ and that it is down to us to change. Not. Happening.
Problembeing lmao you boomers are fucking wild, you think I’m gonna concede because some disgruntled gatekeepery man baby thinks he has more say over what doctor who *should* be because he’s been watching for longer? Not. Happening. I have zero empathy for weird elitist fans who act like their right to freedoms peach is being contravened because someone called them a dudebro in a comment section
if a TV show is affecting your life so much then go to therapy my guy! Bye Bye
thegentleassassin Exactly! The pathetic man-baby 'nerds' who have no life whatsoever really bring down the fan base of this show and actually stop some people from watching it altogether. They have a go at anyone who has a different opinion to them and says they have no argument because they've only just started it whereas the 'boomer' has been watching it for years like that is some kind of justification. The classic fans are so stuck up their own arse and blinded by their ancient prejudicial views it's insane. This fandom is honestly worse than Star Wars and that is saying something. Like seriously, who TF actually cares about canon? It doesn't matter one bit as long as the show is fun and entertaining which it is. Doctor Who has always retconned and changed/added lore and cannon ever since it started anyway so no idea why they are crying so much... Oh wait, it's because there is a female doctor.
@@IlikeTrainsguy100 You nasty little cretin. Bugger off!
Chibnall seems to introduce a hugeee amount in part 1 and then you expect it to be answered/addressed in part 2 yet part 2 always introduces way more and then he has to wrap up so much in not much time.
Really been looking forward to this one, only sad part is most of the series after this just goes downhill.
Nah
I feel like the only bad episodes were Orphan 55 and the series finale.
For me, Orphan 55 and Fugitive are the weakest of the series.
my favourites were Fugitive and the finale, but I was a big fan of the creepy fingers episode too
Best series since series 5 and that is only because I did not like Capaldi as the dr and the fact Moffat began to disappear up his own butt as the last sherlock and dracula showed
Watch "justice league :dark apocalypse. Honestly so good and best animated DC movie
Real shame that they never explained the Missy business. I liked the reference to Logopolis though.
Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me just having finished the Jon Pertwer era! No pressure, of-course; Just if you're ever bored. :)
@GamingWithChu Unfortunately, as Davis put-it, fan-theories don't substitute writing.
Chris Chibnall took-over a franchise that has over 55 years of lore now; A task he clearly wasn't ready to take-on.
Steven Moffat gave-us a, in my personal opinion, Perfect ending to The Master as we knew him/her.
When Chris Chibnall brought The Master back, he had 3 options:
#1 (The easiest, and most desirable one): The Master is a past-incarnation, from before Missy.
This could have been implied when in The Timeless Children, he claimed he: 'Had No Better-Nature.'
Unfortunately, this doesn't work-out, as Surly The Doctor would have replied with something like:
'Hush you; I'm talking to Missy.'
Option #2: Explain-away Missy's death.
Option #3: Just ignore it, and tick off all the Missy and Master fans out there.
@GamingWithChu So, Option #2, and back to square-1; The Question that caused this whole business to start:
What about Missy's arc?
@GamingWithChu It has no relevance?
Do you not understand how character-arcs work?
@GamingWithChu Um... You know, I regretted my previous comment, as I felt I was being harsh by saying: 'Do you not understand how character-arcs work?'
But... Do you understand how character-arcs work?
Blind wave should react to Yu Yu Hakusho
prepared to be disappointed
this Master has very big tro_ub_les wi_th his he_ad
I can't believe how downhill the show has gone since Chibnall was appointed as showrunner. This is pants.
Bye bye then.
@@Jantzku Yep, and it's a shame👍
You're pants
@@booradley8895 Don't take it to heart when people don't like the quality of a TV show anymore 🤣
@@saint1944 Yeah my response was soooooo broken hearted
The thing about time paradoxs is that there is another version of reality. Because the doctor forgot to save her friends there is an alternative reality where she goes to the present and sees her friends dead then remembers to save them. Now that they are saved, they can complete the loop by reminding the doctor to save them.
That's not how paradoxes work. That's just how bad writing works. Inconsistent with all established Doctor Who lore on the subject. At the very least, there have to be repercussions. You can't get people killed, see them dying or dead (establishing you in that timeline), then go back in time and change the outcome. With that logic, Capaldi could have traveled back in time and told Clara not to exchange the death sentence that killed her. Or, the Doctor could have gone back in time, told himself not to go to the pandorica and prevented the cracks in the universe.
The only reason they reminded The Doctor to save them is because The Doctor saw them dead and went back to tell them to remind her. That is a textbook paradox and terrible writing. Additionally, it has ALREADY been established that you can't just pop into another version of reality, so that has no weight here.
I remember when I used to look forward to this. Now it just reminds me of the awfulness.
You mean the best series since series 5? Yeah, so awful lol.
So glad Gallifrey has been destroyed again it fixed The Mess Moffat made in The Day Of The Doctor when he brought it back completely disrespecting The RTD era
I disagree with 99% of what you have said over the years, but...I agree with that. It seemed like Moffat was just working his way through the things from the RTD era he could ruin. Culminating with his entire Time War storyline. Between that crack storyline erasing whole swaths of events from the RTD era (like the entirety of the Series 4 finale), down to the events of The Next Doctor (which, to be fair, RTD pretty much wrote to be changed anyway, but if you give Moffat an inch, he takes a mile), to completely ruining the end of the Time War, it was just a mess, and it still angers me.
As much as I love the acting performances of David Tennant, Matt Smith and John Hurt, not to mention the others, the episode is still a slap in the face to one of the greatest threads that was woven through Doctor Who from the moment it returned, not to mention a huge fuck you to Paul McGann, who has been faithfully playing the Eighth Doctor for 20 years with Big Finish, which Moffat himself recognized as canon. (Not that his approval was needed, as the BBC itself recognized the audios as canon years before Moffat did, but still.) Not only did "Night of the Doctor" completely rip apart 20 years of character development of the Eighth Doctor, and the work Big Finish's producers had done to prepare Eight to be the one that would be willing to fight the Time War even if it gnawed at his conscience, (here's a hint: When it comes to the Daleks, he certainly wouldn't be willing to commit suicide to avoid a war with them. Quite the opposite, after all they've done to people he loves.) but they gave the final act to a completely made up Doctor that didn't even NEED to be there because Paul McGann TOLD them he was totally up for being in the 50th Anniversary.
HOWEVER... I don't like Chibnall's tinkering with the entire existence of the Time Lords, basically ripping Rassilon's part in the development of the species out to replace his own bullshit that makes the Doctor into some godlike being. (Mind you, I hated when the Virgin novel twats tried to do it, too. Thank goodness the BBC rightly yanked Virgin's license.) (And don't worry about spoilers. They never read the TH-cam comments, only the Patreon comments.) Chibnall could have just had the Master destroy Gallifrey in a fit of rage over what Rassilon did to him and left the rest of that bullshit out of it.
Eh, as much as I disliked the saving Gallifrey retcon in Day of the Doctor I don't feel like just destroying it again in a different way fixes the problem. The main issue with the retcon was that it made out that the Doctor killing the Time Lords and Daleks to save the universe was morally wrong, even though _they would've died along with the whole universe anyway if the Doctor didn't kill them_ . Gallifrey being restored in and of itself was never entirely the problem, it was how damaging the way Moffat brought it back was to the concept of morality itself; making out that if you're faced with a difficult moral choice where you have to choose the lesser of two evils...you shouldn't, you should just pull some BS third choice out of your arse that means no one gets hurt and everything's sunshine and rainbows *blegh* .
But saving galifrey was good though, now he's not the last of the time lords anymore
Destroying it again was stupid. He didn't disrespect the RTD era either.