One of the best videos. Honestly this actually makes each bike in the range make more sense. I was just lost about the differences so the prices made no sense until now. The Indian website needs to explain all of this, or better still just put your video on it. 😂
Exactly what I was hoping to find here on TH-cam. This was well done. I just bought my first Indian last week. 2016 Roadmaster with 10,000 miles on it. I love that bike and absolutely am sold on Indian. I figure I am going to buy Indian moving forward and this video helped break down the differences. Good stuff.
I've only owned Harleys, but get a much better appreciation for these Indians after watching your videos on the subject. Great job as usual. Thanks. Mike
I rode nothing but Harleys for 45 years, after taking an Indian for a ride in 14, I bought a vintage the following spring, she has well over a 100k on her now, and still runs flawless..next one will most likely be an Indian again..I just haven't decided on which model just yet.
Really a spot on review. I have owned the following bikes from Indian....2020 Indian Chieftain Elite / 2020 Challenger Limited / 2020 Indian Springfield Darkhorse / 2022 Indian Roadmaster Limited and now a 2022 Indian Pursuit Limited w/prem pkg. One thing about the Pursuit and PP 108 engine. When it's 90 Degrees outside, you won't feel that loss of power that you get on a Powerstroke engine. In addition, the lower fairing on the Pursuit does a much better job blocking the wind than the fork mounted fairing but still has the vents you can open when temps go up. For those that haven't ridden for any great length of time on the new premium touring seat, it is by far, the best stock seat I have sat on. I was not a fan of the Clima-cool seat on my 2022 Roadmaster but this new touring seat on the Pursuit is excellent. Thanks again for the great review !
All of them! Or whichever i can get my hands on! 👊🏻✊🏻 I’m learning so much and thinking the pursuit is for me. Guess I better get my butt on one and let the feel seal the deal 🤝🏻
Excellent comparison. Great coverage. I had chosen the 2017 Chieftain Limited because of the looks and the price point. Plus the Limited has the 19" front wheel and the more open fender. It has enough tech for me, sometimes even a bit more than what I need. And yes, the traditional V-twin sound is what had sealed the deal.
Excellent comparison, thanks. I would note if you don't want all the tech (electronics that seem to eventually cause problems on moving objects) You might consider the Springfield. Almost no tech. You get ABS, Cruise and a fairly simple digital readout for minimal functions. Not much to go wrong.
@@timhoke2 The Challenger or Pursuit would be more comfortable in the cold or rain, they also have the advantage of adjustable windscreens and the Water Cooled engine. If I were going to do another attempt at a 4 corners tour, I'd probably go for the Pursuit since by the time you add the top box and a few other options - it's almost the same price. The Air Cooled models have a heat issue - as in they tend to bake legs, so you might want to add one of the addon heat shields. (this includes the Springfield). I just like the windscreen since it feels more open and you get better ventilation. I also like to style. I do wish the Springfield had Ride Command - then again, it's simple and has fewer things to break.
Climate can also have a major impact on your choice. Have you ever sat at traffic light in 100° weather? The liquid cooling of the Pursuit is going to make a huge difference during the toasty months in the south/southwest of the country. Thanks for the video! It was very informative 👍
I disagree. I have a large liquid cooled bike (108ci). It roasts your legs in the summer. It's the size of the engine in these things. Just to much heat
@@warriorsid perhaps they engineered this one better, I don't know, I haven't ridden one. My friend recently traded in his HD for this Indian Pursuit and says the difference is night and day. (Dallas-Ft Worth area)
As a long time Harley Road Glide owner, I really enjoyed the comparisons between the different Indian motorcycles. I also really like the traditional Chieftain platform but I thought Indian did a great job with the Pursuit/Challenger platform also. I liked your comparisons with what kind of rider would like which bikes. I can understand your more "traditionalist" view of the Chieftain, but it's hard to not fall in love with the Pursuit/Challenger model.
This was a cool video and definitely one that's on people's mind. Extremely glad my brother sent me this video. Im happy with my purchase regarding my DarkHorse Challenger 💨🏁 more miles to come
Nice comparison video. My decision was made in 1981 when I had a Vetter Quicksilver frame mount fairing attached to a 1981 Suzuki GS450L. It was many years until I got back on the road, due to life getting in the way but I knew what I wanted. Rode a 2003 Suzuki Volusia for 19 years with a windshield until I traded it in for my 2022 Indian Pursuit Limited. Water cooled doesn't do anything for the rider but it does help the bike. In 2016 I went to Daytona and rode a Chieftain. Loved the Indian feel over any Harley I've ever ridden but still knew that I'd have to wait for Indian to come out with a frame mount. Luckily it finally happened.
Excellent comparison video. When it comes to motorcycles and choosing the one for you, the data and what it says on paper doesn't matter a whole lot, it's really what you like that does. Like yourself I prefer the classic look and sound of the Roadmaster. I also think that the Thunderstroke engine is a work of art and beautiful to look at, while the engine on the Pursuit is bland if not ugly.
This was very helpful... you seem extremely knowledgeable about Indian products.... I'm in the market and not sure what I'm buying but I sure have a better understanding of the two bikes.... well done and thank you....
Glad I could help! Best of luck in your research and purchase. I work at Indian of Knoxville, so if you are able to come to East TN, I would be happy to help you in person.
I just traded in my 2019 road glide for a 2024 Pursuit Dark Horse and dont regret it at all i love the Pursuit and the ride is so amazing no comparison you will not regret it
Only slow speed maneuvers will the fork mounted fairing be slightly better at night. At higher speeds counter-steering on fork mounted will be going a tiny bit in the opposite direction of the turn. I use the Adaptive Headlight on my Vic Magnum and Hammer and also my Challenger, they work great
Great comparison between all 3 bikes. I own a 2019 Indian Roadmaster that i purchased new. I wish i knew that Indian was going to the 116 Thunderstroke engine a year later, and also added the Apple car play the next model year. Ive travelled cross country on this Roadmaster, and after 18,000 miles , I can say this bike is a keeper. I was able to take a Challenger for a road test from the dealer in Newport News, Virginia. What a great bike! I can only imagine what the Pursuit rides like. Also, will Indian be making the Heated/Cooled seat in the Desert Tan Leather seat? I think i would buy this new innovation to bikes! Great job Polaris!
They do not make that color seat anymore . People did not know how to take care of it and cryed when the color faded. I am glad we got a Burgandy 2020 with the tan seat and 116 with the fish tail pipes. Classic love it. Indian as far as i am concered has lost its way caving to the so called modern boys oh sorry meant men of today. Or did i? Does murdered out mean boring conformatiy dull black to save money on having to do a real paint job same with slammed bags less room and cheaper for your stuff and is a gun fighter seat for men with very small undercarragies and to save money on a proper seat who know i just hate it. Bring back the Chief with the longer rake now that looks like a Indian in the best and classic term Indian motorcycle!!!
They are both great bikes, rode them in comparison over two days. I like 116 motor better, but prefer the Pursuit chassis and frame mounted fairing. Didn't care for the standard Roadmaster seat, it pushed me too close to the fairing. At the end of the day, I'd go with the Roadmaster Elite because the seating is roomier than the Roadmaster Standard and I think the ticking valve train noise from the Power Plus motor would drive me nuts.
Thank you for this. I have had a pursuit icon dark horse premium on order for 7 months. I’ve been debating selling my 2019 roadmaster with the 116 bbk and changing to the pursuit. This video pretty much convinced me that what I have is already what I want. I’ll not be buying the pursuit.
Thanks for a great review and I like my fork mounted fairing and I like having my blinkers mounted in my fairing on my 2022 roadmaster. I don't like fix fairings at all and I could care less about all the technology on the pursuit. Later Hades from NC
Great video with great points. I have a Challenger and love it. I would really like to ride a RM. missed the ride event at the local dealer, would have been nice to ride the Pursuit and the RM. also a fan of the Chieftain. This is my second Indian and it’s a great choice.
The Persuit is a great bike but I love the Roadmaster that air cooled sound is iconic and provides heat in the cold the stock heated seat is a plus. The low end torque of the 111 and 116 is plenty to climb those hills and mountains with ease. Liquid cooling on the Persuit I'm sure is cooler in the summer.
Best comparison I’ve heard. I own both the roadmaster darkhorse and pursuit darkhorse. You nailed the differences. Only thing I would add is the Roadmaster eats the softer Metzler tires on the rear. I switched to the dunlops and find them better with the harder feel.
John, if you were forced to choose, which way would you go, and why, if you don’t mind me asking. I have a 2018 roadmaster with 25’ miles, which I love, but am considering trading for the pursuit or new rm. Ridge Runner does an excellent comparison here but would love to hear your thoughts.
Tough. Both have pros and cons. I’m 6’2’’ so the pursuit is a better fit for my height but the RM is like a Cadillac on those long hauls with all the standard features. If forced I’d choose the pursuit as a personal choice but that is simply the preference of the fixed fairing over the batwing on the high way and the handling in curves.
Nice comparisons. i'm currently looking at both. I'm trading in my 13 wing. Tough decision. I want both. i'm leaning towards the road master. i'm retired and when my wife retires we want to travel.
When I was shopping for a new cruiser I was coming from HD and was considering the Honda Goldwing. I tried the Goldwing, then I tried the Challenger. I ended with the Challenger, IMHO the Challenger is closer to the Wing than any model HD. I have some gripes about the Challenger, but then I had some with HD also.
Great review, thanks! I ride a 2018 Cheiftain limited for 3 years…I just ordered a 2022 Roadmaster Darkhorse….but still thinking if I should go to Persuit instead…I guess I am a purist and not a technology geek as you mention🤟🏼 Keep ridding
Like the roadglide vs street glide . I test rode the challenger and the roadmaster. Liked the roadmaster limited alot. That was before the pursuit came out. One other thing , prices. That new pursuit , especially the premium model is for serious buyers . $$$
Doesn't the Persuit / Challenger come with the Adaptive Pathfinder LED Headlights standard or you can get it to solve the lighting in curves which is the purpose of those types of headlights that adjust to leaning and curves?
Yes, it is available as an option, and it does a great job once you get to speeds that you lean. However at low speed, tight turns in driveways and parking lots, it doesn't help. And I'm not saying that would prevent me from riding one, but it is a design result to consider.
It is weird. I spent 2 years dreaming of the Challenger. I ended up deciding on a mid size cruiser and bought the Sportster S. But I still want the tourer as my next bike and I am actually leaning towards the more traditional Chieftain. The reason is that I already have all of the exciting "power at hand" tech on my daily ride. If I get a tourer I am pretty sure it will be more laid back. The Challenger doesn't rock me like it used to.
Great review, thanks for doing this! I have an ‘18 RM classic, which I love in almost every way. Two negatives: No Apple CarPlay pre 2020, and more importantly Engine Heat. I know that theoretically the WC challenger/pursuit platform should be cooler, but I wonder if it’s perceptively so in hot weather. I’ve replaced the factory pipes with a cat-less set from Reinhart Racing, which I like very much and helped some with the heat, but she’s still HOT. Any thoughts or data on this aspect between pursuit and RM? Thanks!
I have a water cooled Voyager 1700. It still is very hot in the summer months. I don't think water-cooled makes a difference in this category. Too much engine, to much heat.
Does the clutch adjustment Cover come off with just the 2 bolts removed? I'm afraid to pry it off or is the seal holding it on ? 111 thunder stroke ? How much do I back off the adjuster once it touches ? Thanks for any help
Rented a road master, own a goldwing. Riding two up on the Indian we were constantly bumping helmets. Goldwing has much more space. Wondering if the pursuit has more room? The road master’s suspension was better than my goldwing.
Excellent comparison. I ride a 2014 Moto Guzzi California 1400, but am thinking of moving to the Indian mainly. because it sits lower and has a lower center (I think). I need the model that will allow me to go cross country, but also ride around town (San Antonio, TX). I do not care so much about a whole lot of electronic gadgetry. But I DO want a comfortable ride. At 77 years and 5'9" and 175 lbs. I need something I can handle OK. I do work out and am pretty strong for my age. So, I would very much appreciate suggestions from the community here. And yes, I am subscribing and will be accessing your channel. Much obliged, sir.
I like both bikes,I want to ride from Vero beach florida to Guadalajara Jalisco Mexico, and I'm very confused on which would be a better option for me,I love horse power and I like comfort.
Sounds like (no me anyway) the choice is clear The Pursuit sounds like a better value. I never knew about the single fluid chamber for everything whereas Harley Davidson has 3.
I live in India and the temps here are much high ranging between 85-115F , I like thunderstroke engine better than powerplus but I am unsure if my thighs will be burned with all the engine heat, what would you recommend?
I really like the roadmaster BUT. Is there any way to get it with the liquid cooling system? I was about to buy an Indian Roadmaater back in 2019, had all the paperwork ready all I needed to do was sign, but I took one last test drive on a 103 degree day and the engine actially burned my legs. Upon returning to the dealership the salesman asked me if I was ready to sign the paperwork and take my new bike? I stated not only no but hell no. I would love the Roadmaster but only with a radiator. frankly the red and cream painted version with the tan leather seats is my favorite version. Also most rider's these days are getting older, I'm 63 tears old when the hell is Indian going to make A trike?.
Got my name down for a 2025 Roadmaster Elite. Its no doubt in my mind that the higher torque down low and more traditional feel of the bike is exactly what you want out of a cruiser. With that said however and seeing whats offered on the Pursuit. I still cant figure out why a Roadmaster Elite costs more than a Pursuit Elite. All day long it is a more simple motorcycle and does not stack up to a pursuit in tech or performance.
News flash: unless moving at parking lot speeds motorcycles don't have much angle between frame and fork, not any perceptible effect on seeing around a turn. How the narrator could say that is just astounding. Dude!! You must have about zero miles on motorcycles or you take turns at
That is exactly what I was referring to... parking lot speeds. Turns from a stop, roundabouts, parking lots, etc. Hitting a pothole or debris in the road at night sucks, and having a headlight pointed the direction you are headed is helpful in preventing that. Surely where you ride there are stop signs, stop lights, driveways that curve, cross roads, and other places you have to stop, then turn as you pull away. Thanks for watching!
@@RidgeRoamer you wouldn't get any angle in a roundabout, unless under about 5 or 10 mph. If you're at a dead stop you can just look, besides your handlebars don't turn 90° anyway, do they? What do you do when driving a car? It's a non factor. I'm sorry, just speaking facts.
@@stevek8829 You are right. I am sure I've never been behind a slow car in a roundabout, or never had to yield to another vehicle as I entered a roundabout that would cause me to slow below 10mph. I wish I could ride in your fantasy world where you can always be above 10mph. I've never heard of a car falling over on it's side at slow speeds if it hits debris in the road, so I don't really worry as much when driving a cage. And to be clear, I own two motorcycles with fixed fairings... I have nothing against them, and have no issue riding them, but it is a distinct difference worth pointing out.
In other words, you have zero experience yourself. If you can’t feel different degrees of rake in the front end, you yourself should listen more. And maybe even ride more than one bike , rookie!
Not sure which one I'm getting until I ride them both, but the idea of the frame mounted faring light not showing where you're going while turning just isn't true much like a car. Otherwise, good job on the video.
It appears the pursuit has more to offer than the Roadmaster. I want a touring bike,want to take trips.I have been a HD rider my whole life at 65. I don’t care for the Milwaukee 8 motor,has to many issues.
Roadmaster has compartments in the fairing as well. Choose the Roadmaster if you want a traditional comfortable cruiser choose the Pursuit if you like European-style and sport type bikes. Roadmaster sounds better the pursuit reminds me of a BMW bike plus the front end looks too much like a Harley and the Classic Roadmaster with it traditional front fender looks so nice and stands out from the sea of black Harleys you do not feel like a sheep or a follower when you ride the master you feel like you have something different and you are not a herd animal or blindly follow the herd.
A modern air-cooled Indian is a non-issue. Harley has been doing it for over a century, so why are we making a big deal of it. I wish the fairing from the Roadmaster Classic was used on the Dark Horse.
@@michaelschmitzerle2587 they’re so ugly. And no one buys a cruiser or a touring bike because it’s so fast because they are all slow. Don’t believe me? Go up against any stock sport bike and you’ll be laughed at.
Like butt holes, everyone has an opinion. I’ve owned both, and I prefer my 21 RM dark horse. I had an ultra the first year of the M8 motor, I was not thrilled with it. Harley has fixed the design issues that came with the initial release of the M8. Both are nice products, each having their own pros and cons. HD has way more aftermarket options, Indian isn’t as arrogant a company as Harley. I would not sell my RM for a HD today after my experience with my Ultra. Ride safe my brothers.
One of the best videos. Honestly this actually makes each bike in the range make more sense. I was just lost about the differences so the prices made no sense until now. The Indian website needs to explain all of this, or better still just put your video on it. 😂
Thank you. Glad it helped!
Exactly what I was hoping to find here on TH-cam. This was well done. I just bought my first Indian last week. 2016 Roadmaster with 10,000 miles on it. I love that bike and absolutely am sold on Indian. I figure I am going to buy Indian moving forward and this video helped break down the differences. Good stuff.
I've only owned Harleys, but get a much better appreciation for these Indians after watching your videos on the subject. Great job as usual. Thanks. Mike
Thank you! Indian is making some very impressive motorcycles...
I rode nothing but Harleys for 45 years, after taking an Indian for a ride in 14, I bought a vintage the following spring, she has well over a 100k on her now, and still runs flawless..next one will most likely be an Indian again..I just haven't decided on which model just yet.
Really a spot on review. I have owned the following bikes from Indian....2020 Indian Chieftain Elite / 2020 Challenger Limited / 2020 Indian Springfield Darkhorse / 2022 Indian Roadmaster Limited and now a 2022 Indian Pursuit Limited w/prem pkg. One thing about the Pursuit and PP 108 engine. When it's 90 Degrees outside, you won't feel that loss of power that you get on a Powerstroke engine. In addition, the lower fairing on the Pursuit does a much better job blocking the wind than the fork mounted fairing but still has the vents you can open when temps go up. For those that haven't ridden for any great length of time on the new premium touring seat, it is by far, the best stock seat I have sat on. I was not a fan of the Clima-cool seat on my 2022 Roadmaster but this new touring seat on the Pursuit is excellent. Thanks again for the great review !
That's a lot of Indians to go through in such a short time. But, this is TH-cam!
Exactly, very strange
All of them!
Or whichever i can get my hands on! 👊🏻✊🏻
I’m learning so much and thinking the pursuit is for me. Guess I better get my butt on one and let the feel seal the deal 🤝🏻
@motorcyclemichael2182 pursuit has everything, but hasn't that wonderful from thunderstroke engine...difficult to decide
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better!👍
Yes,yes,yes for me it must have those classic design cue’s of the power stroke engine and those beautiful, valanced fender’s. That’s Indian to me.
I’m with ya on that, you can’t beat the classic look and style of the Roadmaster. It’s the coolest looking touring bike out there I think.
Excellent comparison. Great coverage. I had chosen the 2017 Chieftain Limited because of the looks and the price point. Plus the Limited has the 19" front wheel and the more open fender. It has enough tech for me, sometimes even a bit more than what I need. And yes, the traditional V-twin sound is what had sealed the deal.
Thank you for all the info. Made it easy for me to pick my next bike.
I like this review…. You hit the important points w/out rambling on! 😁🍻
Excellent comparison, thanks. I would note if you don't want all the tech (electronics that seem to eventually cause problems on moving objects) You might consider the Springfield. Almost no tech. You get ABS, Cruise and a fairly simple digital readout for minimal functions. Not much to go wrong.
Would the Springfield be a good choice for cross country riding? Or would something with a faring be better?
@@timhoke2 The Challenger or Pursuit would be more comfortable in the cold or rain, they also have the advantage of adjustable windscreens and the Water Cooled engine. If I were going to do another attempt at a 4 corners tour, I'd probably go for the Pursuit since by the time you add the top box and a few other options - it's almost the same price.
The Air Cooled models have a heat issue - as in they tend to bake legs, so you might want to add one of the addon heat shields. (this includes the Springfield). I just like the windscreen since it feels more open and you get better ventilation. I also like to style. I do wish the Springfield had Ride Command - then again, it's simple and has fewer things to break.
Climate can also have a major impact on your choice. Have you ever sat at traffic light in 100° weather? The liquid cooling of the Pursuit is going to make a huge difference during the toasty months in the south/southwest of the country.
Thanks for the video! It was very informative 👍
I disagree. I have a large liquid cooled bike (108ci). It roasts your legs in the summer. It's the size of the engine in these things. Just to much heat
@@warriorsid perhaps they engineered this one better, I don't know, I haven't ridden one. My friend recently traded in his HD for this Indian Pursuit and says the difference is night and day. (Dallas-Ft Worth area)
Excellent video. I have been trying to look at comparisons and you did an outstanding job comparing the two.
As a long time Harley Road Glide owner, I really enjoyed the comparisons between the different Indian motorcycles. I also really like the traditional Chieftain platform but I thought Indian did a great job with the Pursuit/Challenger platform also. I liked your comparisons with what kind of rider would like which bikes. I can understand your more "traditionalist" view of the Chieftain, but it's hard to not fall in love with the Pursuit/Challenger model.
Great job explaining the differences. Thanks!
This was a cool video and definitely one that's on people's mind. Extremely glad my brother sent me this video. Im happy with my purchase regarding my DarkHorse Challenger 💨🏁 more miles to come
Nice comparison video.
My decision was made in 1981 when I had a Vetter Quicksilver frame mount fairing attached to a 1981 Suzuki GS450L. It was many years until I got back on the road, due to life getting in the way but I knew what I wanted. Rode a 2003 Suzuki Volusia for 19 years with a windshield until I traded it in for my 2022 Indian Pursuit Limited. Water cooled doesn't do anything for the rider but it does help the bike. In 2016 I went to Daytona and rode a Chieftain. Loved the Indian feel over any Harley I've ever ridden but still knew that I'd have to wait for Indian to come out with a frame mount. Luckily it finally happened.
great classic none bias review comparison. thanks
Excellent comparison video. When it comes to motorcycles and choosing the one for you, the data and what it says on paper doesn't matter a whole lot, it's really what you like that does.
Like yourself I prefer the classic look and sound of the Roadmaster. I also think that the Thunderstroke engine is a work of art and beautiful to look at, while the engine on the Pursuit is bland if not ugly.
I agree, I think the Thunderstroke is the best looking motorcycle engine in existence and I love it's roar when you twist the throttle!
Excellent comparison!
Very good video!
This was very helpful... you seem extremely knowledgeable about Indian products.... I'm in the market and not sure what I'm buying but I sure have a better understanding of the two bikes.... well done and thank you....
Glad I could help! Best of luck in your research and purchase. I work at Indian of Knoxville, so if you are able to come to East TN, I would be happy to help you in person.
The more I research and look the more and more I want a Pursuit.
I just traded in my 2019 road glide for a 2024 Pursuit Dark Horse and dont regret it at all i love the Pursuit and the ride is so amazing no comparison you will not regret it
Only slow speed maneuvers will the fork mounted fairing be slightly better at night. At higher speeds counter-steering on fork mounted will be going a tiny bit in the opposite direction of the turn. I use the Adaptive Headlight on my Vic Magnum and Hammer and also my Challenger, they work great
Great comparison between all 3 bikes. I own a 2019 Indian Roadmaster that i purchased new. I wish i knew that Indian was going to the 116 Thunderstroke engine a year later, and also added the Apple car play the next model year. Ive travelled cross country on this Roadmaster, and after 18,000 miles , I can say this bike is a keeper. I was able to take a Challenger for a road test from the dealer in Newport News, Virginia. What a great bike! I can only imagine what the Pursuit rides like. Also, will Indian be making the Heated/Cooled seat in the Desert Tan Leather seat? I think i would buy this new innovation to bikes! Great job Polaris!
They do not make that color seat anymore . People did not know how to take care of it and cryed when the color faded. I am glad we got a Burgandy 2020 with the tan seat and 116 with the fish tail pipes. Classic love it. Indian as far as i am concered has lost its way caving to the so called modern boys oh sorry meant men of today. Or did i? Does murdered out mean boring conformatiy dull black to save money on having to do a real paint job same with slammed bags less room and cheaper for your stuff and is a gun fighter seat for men with very small undercarragies and to save money on a proper seat who know i just hate it. Bring back the Chief with the longer rake now that looks like a Indian in the best and classic term Indian motorcycle!!!
They are both great bikes, rode them in comparison over two days. I like 116 motor better, but prefer the Pursuit chassis and frame mounted fairing. Didn't care for the standard Roadmaster seat, it pushed me too close to the fairing. At the end of the day, I'd go with the Roadmaster Elite because the seating is roomier than the Roadmaster Standard and I think the ticking valve train noise from the Power Plus motor would drive me nuts.
🇨🇦🍁🇨🇦Very well presented and researched. After reviewing the video I had no questions and can make my decision without issues.
Thank you for this. I have had a pursuit icon dark horse premium on order for 7 months. I’ve been debating selling my 2019 roadmaster with the 116 bbk and changing to the pursuit. This video pretty much convinced me that what I have is already what I want. I’ll not be buying the pursuit.
Excellent comparisons..plus n minuses on both models..Indians are a great product..owned 2 thus far..nice classic u own there..😊
Great review thanks very comprehensive
Great well thought out video. Thanks for putting this one together.
Best breakdown I’ve seen. Thank you!!!
Great comparison review... well done!
Comprehensive and informative. To the point and very effective. Well done
Thanks for a great review and I like my fork mounted fairing and I like having my blinkers mounted in my fairing on my 2022 roadmaster. I don't like fix fairings at all and I could care less about all the technology on the pursuit. Later Hades from NC
Great video with great points. I have a Challenger and love it. I would really like to ride a RM. missed the ride event at the local dealer, would have been nice to ride the Pursuit and the RM. also a fan of the Chieftain. This is my second Indian and it’s a great choice.
Great job!!!
Excellent content and delivery.
Thank you
If the Pursuit frame had the Roadmaster look, I'd go get one.
build a roadmaster with the pp 108 & reverse but keep it affordable!
Good review. Good job.
Great video, real nice comparisons.
That video was really very helpful. Thanks great job.
The Persuit is a great bike but I love the Roadmaster that air cooled sound is iconic and provides heat in the cold the stock heated seat is a plus. The low end torque of the 111 and 116 is plenty to climb those hills and mountains with ease. Liquid cooling on the Persuit I'm sure is cooler in the summer.
Wouldn't exactly say liquid cooling makes the bike feel cooler I've have a Honda Valkyrie interstate and it's definitely not cool in the summer
@@neilbrown82 nothing is cooler in summer, only ice !!! 🤣🤣🤣👍
The Roadmaster is the better bike no question but for younger people who hate chrome i guess they might like the pukesuit.
Best comparison I’ve heard. I own both the roadmaster darkhorse and pursuit darkhorse. You nailed the differences.
Only thing I would add is the Roadmaster eats the softer Metzler tires on the rear. I switched to the dunlops and find them better with the harder feel.
John, if you were forced to choose, which way would you go, and why, if you don’t mind me asking. I have a 2018 roadmaster with 25’ miles, which I love, but am considering trading for the pursuit or new rm.
Ridge Runner does an excellent comparison here but would love to hear your thoughts.
Ps sorry I got your name wrong…and I mostly ride in the southeast US, two up with my wife.
Tough. Both have pros and cons. I’m 6’2’’ so the pursuit is a better fit for my height but the RM is like a Cadillac on those long hauls with all the standard features. If forced I’d choose the pursuit as a personal choice but that is simply the preference of the fixed fairing over the batwing on the high way and the handling in curves.
No worries. I’m southeast too. As far as the 2 up I may choose the RM since the heated and cooled seat and extra room may keep mama happy
What do you think about the Heat coming off of the Roadmaster ? Is it better on the pursuit ?
Great stuff! Keep up the great work!
Excellent comparison.
Nice comparisons. i'm currently looking at both. I'm trading in my 13 wing. Tough decision. I want both. i'm leaning towards the road master. i'm retired and when my wife retires we want to travel.
Good job!!
When I was shopping for a new cruiser I was coming from HD and was considering the Honda Goldwing. I tried the Goldwing, then I tried the Challenger. I ended with the Challenger, IMHO the Challenger is closer to the Wing than any model HD. I have some gripes about the Challenger, but then I had some with HD also.
What made you choose the Challenger over the Goldwing?
@@dlmp70 The seat was to wide, I have short legs and arms like a t-Rex.
Thank you. Great breakdown
Great review, thanks! I ride a 2018 Cheiftain limited for 3 years…I just ordered a 2022 Roadmaster Darkhorse….but still thinking if I should go to Persuit instead…I guess I am a purist and not a technology geek as you mention🤟🏼 Keep ridding
Like the roadglide vs street glide . I test rode the challenger and the roadmaster. Liked the roadmaster limited alot. That was before the pursuit came out. One other thing , prices. That new pursuit , especially the premium model is for serious buyers . $$$
Doesn't the Persuit / Challenger come with the Adaptive Pathfinder LED Headlights standard or you can get it to solve the lighting in curves which is the purpose of those types of headlights that adjust to leaning and curves?
Yes, it is available as an option, and it does a great job once you get to speeds that you lean. However at low speed, tight turns in driveways and parking lots, it doesn't help. And I'm not saying that would prevent me from riding one, but it is a design result to consider.
Very good presentation. Thank you.
Both are very competent bikes. I don’t prefer liquid cooling. So I’m Roadmaster all the way.
It is weird. I spent 2 years dreaming of the Challenger. I ended up deciding on a mid size cruiser and bought the Sportster S. But I still want the tourer as my next bike and I am actually leaning towards the more traditional Chieftain. The reason is that I already have all of the exciting "power at hand" tech on my daily ride. If I get a tourer I am pretty sure it will be more laid back. The Challenger doesn't rock me like it used to.
Good Review...might change my mind.
Great review, thanks for doing this! I have an ‘18 RM classic, which I love in almost every way. Two negatives: No Apple CarPlay pre 2020, and more importantly Engine Heat. I know that theoretically the WC challenger/pursuit platform should be cooler, but I wonder if it’s perceptively so in hot weather.
I’ve replaced the factory pipes with a cat-less set from Reinhart Racing, which I like very much and helped some with the heat, but she’s still HOT.
Any thoughts or data on this aspect between pursuit and RM?
Thanks!
I have a water cooled Voyager 1700. It still is very hot in the summer months. I don't think water-cooled makes a difference in this category. Too much engine, to much heat.
Great video!!
Does the clutch adjustment Cover come off with just the 2 bolts removed? I'm afraid to pry it off or is the seal holding it on ? 111 thunder stroke ? How much do I back off the adjuster once it touches ? Thanks for any help
Rented a road master, own a goldwing. Riding two up on the Indian we were constantly bumping helmets. Goldwing has much more space. Wondering if the pursuit has more room? The road master’s suspension was better than my goldwing.
Awesome review !!! Thanx
I would like to see a comparison between a Roadmaster and a Chieftain Thank you
Great video
Excellent comparison. I ride a 2014 Moto Guzzi California 1400, but am thinking of moving to the Indian mainly. because it sits lower and has a lower center (I think). I need the model that will allow me to go cross country, but also ride around town (San Antonio, TX). I do not care so much about a whole lot of electronic gadgetry. But I DO want a comfortable ride. At 77 years and 5'9" and 175 lbs. I need something I can handle OK. I do work out and am pretty strong for my age. So, I would very much appreciate suggestions from the community here. And yes, I am subscribing and will be accessing your channel. Much obliged, sir.
Thanks for the info.
You are welcome. Thanks for watching!
I like both bikes,I want to ride from Vero beach florida to Guadalajara Jalisco Mexico, and I'm very confused on which would be a better option for me,I love horse power and I like comfort.
Sounds like (no me anyway) the choice is clear
The Pursuit sounds like a better value.
I never knew about the single fluid chamber for everything whereas Harley Davidson has 3.
I live in India and the temps here are much high ranging between 85-115F , I like thunderstroke engine better than powerplus but I am unsure if my thighs will be burned with all the engine heat, what would you recommend?
I really like the roadmaster BUT. Is there any way to get it with the liquid cooling system? I was about to buy an Indian Roadmaater back in 2019, had all the paperwork ready all I needed to do was sign, but I took one last test drive on a 103 degree day and the engine actially burned my legs. Upon returning to the dealership the salesman asked me if I was ready to sign the paperwork and take my new bike? I stated not only no but hell no. I would love the Roadmaster but only with a radiator. frankly the red and cream painted version with the tan leather seats is my favorite version. Also most rider's these days are getting older, I'm 63 tears old when the hell is Indian going to make A trike?.
Wouldn't say no to ether, but the pursuit looks nice.
Both will get ya all the dudes!
Got my name down for a 2025 Roadmaster Elite. Its no doubt in my mind that the higher torque down low and more traditional feel of the bike is exactly what you want out of a cruiser. With that said however and seeing whats offered on the Pursuit. I still cant figure out why a Roadmaster Elite costs more than a Pursuit Elite. All day long it is a more simple motorcycle and does not stack up to a pursuit in tech or performance.
What about fuel consumption?
They are the same. Both are rated right around 40mpg, and will vary slightly up or down depending on how you ride.
@RidgeRoamer
Thanks for the reply.
I was expecting better low consumption.
News flash: unless moving at parking lot speeds motorcycles don't have much angle between frame and fork, not any perceptible effect on seeing around a turn. How the narrator could say that is just astounding. Dude!! You must have about zero miles on motorcycles or you take turns at
That is exactly what I was referring to... parking lot speeds. Turns from a stop, roundabouts, parking lots, etc. Hitting a pothole or debris in the road at night sucks, and having a headlight pointed the direction you are headed is helpful in preventing that. Surely where you ride there are stop signs, stop lights, driveways that curve, cross roads, and other places you have to stop, then turn as you pull away. Thanks for watching!
@@RidgeRoamer you wouldn't get any angle in a roundabout, unless under about 5 or 10 mph. If you're at a dead stop you can just look, besides your handlebars don't turn 90° anyway, do they? What do you do when driving a car? It's a non factor. I'm sorry, just speaking facts.
@@stevek8829 You are right. I am sure I've never been behind a slow car in a roundabout, or never had to yield to another vehicle as I entered a roundabout that would cause me to slow below 10mph. I wish I could ride in your fantasy world where you can always be above 10mph. I've never heard of a car falling over on it's side at slow speeds if it hits debris in the road, so I don't really worry as much when driving a cage. And to be clear, I own two motorcycles with fixed fairings... I have nothing against them, and have no issue riding them, but it is a distinct difference worth pointing out.
In other words, you have zero experience yourself. If you can’t feel different degrees of rake in the front end, you yourself should listen more. And maybe even ride more than one bike , rookie!
Not sure which one I'm getting until I ride them both, but the idea of the frame mounted faring light not showing where you're going while turning just isn't true much like a car. Otherwise, good job on the video.
It appears the pursuit has more to offer than the Roadmaster. I want a touring bike,want to take trips.I have been a HD rider my whole life at 65. I don’t care for the Milwaukee 8 motor,has to many issues.
The Roadmaster has more to offer and it does not whine at highway speeds seat is better for two up and feels more stable at speed.
The Roadmaster also has two storage pockets on the lower fairing how did you miss that since you own one?
They are both a decent size too. I was wondering the same thing.
He was talking about fairing storage. You can get the same storage in both lower fairings.
My choice is a Victory Cross Country Tour before Polaris F,'d everything up.
Excellent commentaire
Roadmaster has compartments in the fairing as well. Choose the Roadmaster if you want a traditional comfortable cruiser choose the Pursuit if you like European-style and sport type bikes. Roadmaster sounds better the pursuit reminds me of a BMW bike plus the front end looks too much like a Harley and the Classic Roadmaster with it traditional front fender looks so nice and stands out from the sea of black Harleys you do not feel like a sheep or a follower when you ride the master you feel like you have something different and you are not a herd animal or blindly follow the herd.
Wonder why the prices are so close yet the pursuit/challenger is clearly a better bike
The solution is to get one of each you only live once!😊
A modern air-cooled Indian is a non-issue. Harley has been doing it for over a century, so why are we making a big deal of it. I wish the fairing from the Roadmaster Classic was used on the Dark Horse.
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my only real concern are my gonads, which one does not burn em! :)
You are straddling a large combustion engine. They get hot. Pursuit will be cooler though.
The gearing on the challenger is much shorter…
Anyone else having beard envy 🤔
Polaris door knob😂
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They’re both cheap, bulky plastic copies of a Harley.
…That runs rings around Harley’s!😌
@@michaelschmitzerle2587 they’re so ugly. And no one buys a cruiser or a touring bike because it’s so fast because they are all slow. Don’t believe me? Go up against any stock sport bike and you’ll be laughed at.
Like butt holes, everyone has an opinion. I’ve owned both, and I prefer my 21 RM dark horse. I had an ultra the first year of the M8 motor, I was not thrilled with it. Harley has fixed the design issues that came with the initial release of the M8. Both are nice products, each having their own pros and cons. HD has way more aftermarket options, Indian isn’t as arrogant a company as Harley. I would not sell my RM for a HD today after my experience with my Ultra. Ride safe my brothers.
How about "NONE" of these OVERPRICED behemoths ( that includes Harleys, BMWs, Hondas) 👎👎