See the rest of Operation Odysseus here! th-cam.com/play/PLDb22nlVXGgd2rdNu1C44t-hoYXA9bL2M.html And feel free to leave a comment about your favorite century of Venetian history - don't worry, every answer is correct. -Blue
*Blue. Blue. You keep saying "piles of wood," which while not technically an incorrect use of language, brings to mind this: < **upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Stack_of_firewood.jpg** > when I think you mean this: and a more widely-accepted way to refer to those would be "wooden piles." Piles are a type of deep foundation still in common use today, though usually we use steel or reinforced concrete instead of wood : **www.researchgate.net/profile/Kamol_Amornfa/publication/269689568/figure/fig1/AS:392209795960834@1470521510505/Typical-Bangkok-subsoil-profile-and-range-of-pile-length-After-Phienwej-et-al-2006_Q320.jpg**.* *EDIT: I made the eternal mistake of not finishing the video before I commented. It seems you know what piles are. In that case, I just think it's really confusing to say "piles of wood" instead of "wooden piles."*
Overly Sarcastic Productions hey Blue, I recently discovered and preceded to binge watch you & Red’s channel. I love the channel but I had one question. Can people swim in the canals of Venice? I know I could probably google it but I figured you would know. Anyway , keep up the good work and I hope to see more from you two in the future!
2:20 *Byzantium:* Allows Venetian independence and trade rights. *Venice:* Takes over Byzantine islands as debt repayment and then sacks Constantinople. *Byzantium:* This is the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe in the history of ever.
"Hey, Blue, do you wanna talk about the Venician Republic and how awesome and stable it was again." Blue: "Welllll, I dunno I already did a whole series on it already...." He begins rolling up his sleeves and lighting the fireplace, "What else could possibly be said about the beautiful city or their amazing and somewhat disproportionate hold on all trade?" He pauses, and smiles at the nice person who asked, "Please hold my beer while I show you what more I could say."
@@Just_A_Dude TBF Carnival, and Fat Tuesday in particular, was kind of universal in Catholic Europe, rich cities like Venice just celebrated it more uproariously. If was an unofficial season of partying and feasting on the the last week before Lent, because once Ash Wednesday hit, practicing Catholics were required to abstain from meat, butter and other 'foods of the rich' for the next 40 days (not counting Sundays because each Sunday is a mini-Easter), and fast from even 'poor' foods on Fridays and other special days. Basically, its a party celebrating it being the last day you CAN party for a while.
Why did Venice work? Easy. People said they were DAFT to build a city in a lagoon, so they built it all the same! ...it sank into the lagoon! So they built a 2nd one!...it sank into the lagoon. So they built a 3rd one! That burned down, fell over, and then sank into the lagoon. But the 4th one! The 4th one stayed up!
Venice is Carthage with an Italian accent. -Friend of Rome in crisis and later enemy -Revolutionary leaps in ship design an d production -Very defensible position -Huge mercantile empire But Venice was never burned to the ground ;)
@@MarfSantangelo the fusion of carthage and rome is spain essentially, venice advantage was 1 it was stupid to try and take it by land 2 the venetians became superb seafarers and any enemy coming by sea would of been sunked, their mercantile empire wasnt that huge actually, venice operated mostly on the eastern mediterranean where they would link the muslim and bizantine trade goods with the rest of europe, genoa on the other hand operated in the west and focused on trading with spain(mostly aragon and the nasrid kingdom of granada), france, italy and north africa
@@hachibidelta4237congratulations, you played yourself. They wanted to beat their rival Constantinople who already gave them so many concessions but ended up causing the rise of a much stronger foe who did not want to cooperate with them anywhere near as much as the Romans. Common Venetian L. Based Napoleon.
You missed one point. Venice was founded during the Attila's invasion, not during the lombard one. The Huns couldn't use their mounted archers effectively in the lagoon and so the citizens of Aquileia decided to settle there to protect themselves
Venice is just a glorified Dwarf Fortress project. There's probably a lever somewhere to activate all the submerged screw pumps to get at the Willow Wood supports.
My wife and I spent a few days in Venice while on our honeymoon. It's a truly special city that should be experienced by all. Just don't go during the peak tourist season. Walking around the city at night with not a soul around is magical. Good food too...
Italian history teacher: 'Ok, guys! The four more important "Repubbliche marinare" ?' Kids: "Venezia, Genova, Amalfi and Pisa!" (True story! The Italian navy insignia put together the symbols of those 4 cities)
As a Venetian I'm thrilled at how well you captured the essence of its history. I have come to like and respect Venice more because of its past than its present. I hope one day you can also talk about Fra' Paolo Sarpi, one of my personal heroes. Thank you!
My favorite Venetian story, and there are many good ones, is of the time the Lombards besieged the city. As noted above they couldn't take it, but they hoped to starve it out. Instead, the Lombards ran out of food and then, as usual, disease struck. The Venetians just waited patiently, but as an interim amusement activity, they sailed their ships over towards the Lombards and launched loaves of bread into the Lombards to point out to them that Venice was in way starving. Eventually the Lombards took the hint and left.
You forgot the war of the League of Cambrai (1508-1516) when Venice defeated a coalition formed by France, the HRE, the pope, Spain and other italian states. Still a nice video though, as a citizen of a former Venetian city I approve.
Venice is one of the most beautiful cities in the world and one of the most significant cities of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and early modern times. Venice played an enormous role in the development of medieval, Renaissance and Baroque art, architecture, sculpture and music. This continued into the 1500, 1600 and 1700s after the trade routes shifted to the Atlantic Ocean and Venice went into decline as a maritime power. Vivaldi, Titian and Tintoretto were all Venetians. I visited Venice when I was 15 and hope to return some day.
I'm literally sitting in the Parco Rimembranze S.Elena, overlooking all of Venice during Carnival, listening to this. Thanks for being my tour guide through history, Blue.
I've been reading a book called Salt: A World History. I find it interesting how well it lines up with my AP World History class. Something I learned was how Venice and Genoa were both growing rich over ownership of profitable salt businesses.
Not only them. Salt was a rare but very necessary good within the mainland. Hence it was always a very expensive good. I am from Southern Germany. Most of our salt was mined within the Alps and shipped down the smaller rivers to the Danube and from there way down into the Balkans or into the North and to Czechia via land. A lot of the mined Salt was controlled by Salzburg, Austria (whose translation literally means salt castle by the way) and therefore heavily taxed which made them quite rich. But basically every city state along those rivers taxed the salt again and again which made the salt more and more expensive the further away from the Alps it was transported.
I adore how the amount of effort you put into your videos was impressive since the beginning and even now doesn't cease to astonish me at how dedicated you two are.
Reminds me of what I did in EUIV, I was playing as the Byzantine empire after kicking the ottomans out of Europe and doing my best to keep them in Anatolia. My empire was doing very good with expanding into the balkans. But to get naval superiority I had to deal with Venice. I was able to get a Cassius belli on damaltia and declared war on Venice. I couldn’t beat them in the sea but I had military access to Austrian lands, Venice had nothing on my army an I quickly sieged them out of Venice. You might think the war was going good for me but the entire time my empire was suffering trade wise and was also getting raided by the ottomans. My empire wouldn’t recover for 50 years in game. But that was the most fun I had in that game, I still am not able to top that war with anything else.
Recently visited Venice gotta admit I really fell in love with her, but just being there gave a sense of doom each alley was wonky and most towers were tilted. The shopkeepers said that the younger generation is tired of the struggles living without roads and so live in the mainland only working in town because of tourism.
I’m grateful that I’ve visited Venice before. It’s such an amazing place, and I desperately want to go again! Your video gave me some nostalgia and a trip to Italy is definitely up there on my bucket list 🥰
It’s interesting to me that between all the old powers there were small nations in everlasting neutrality. Venice between franks and Byzantium, Switzerland between HRE and France, Navarre between France and Spain, Holstein between Kalmar union and HRE until later annexed by Denmark I think... Idk why that’s so interesting to me but it seemed to happen a lot in Europe
Venice wasnt so neutral, they sided with whoever they saw had the most money and influence, Navarra on the other hand wasnt neutral, they were allied by marriage with the rest of the kingdoms on the peninsula, aside from having a big cultural connection with aragon and castilla(the region not the whole crown)
I visited Venice half a year ago, after i saw your original Venice videos. I went there with a friend of mine. Great city. (To be honest, visiting Italy was something we decided quite drunk after a party, but at least it was your fault we went to Venice in particular :D)
This city is amazing. I was there back in the late 90s and was in awe of the architecture. I also learned that opening a bag of chips in St. Mark Plaza means immanent attack by pigeons. We were told to never eat there and one of us (being dumb teenagers) decided to do just that. It was funny as hell seeing him run all around the place being chased by pigeons. He eventually made it into a shop and the birds dispersed. Still, awesome city.
As one who is part of Denouncing Venice, I must state this channel has a clear Boat Mormon bias that interferes with their covering of the material. (YOU FOOL KATRINA! NOBODY IN THIS CHANNEL'S AUDIENCE HAS ANY CROSS OVER WITH THE AREAS TH-cam THAT WOULD KNOW OF DENOUNCING VENICE AND BOAT MORMONS!)
That's where you're wrong. If you doubt the cross over potential of great channels, someone may have to challenge you to theological combat. Besides, I'm not convinced you are devoted to your religion enough. Have you denounced your neighbor today?
Funny to see the similarities between Venice then and Amsterdam/Holland in the 17th century. - Cities built on wooden poles in swampy waters - Trade over religious evangelism - Great Shipbuilders - Downfall by the French in the end
Venice was indeed a prototype for the Netherlands. Unfortunately, only the latter is still a big power. Greetings from a Venetian who moved to Amsterdam :)
Thanks for the quickie you tube This is my 7 th visit - starting in 1957 as a 7 year old feeding pigeons … Been back many times since over the decades Read countless books- visited Cyprus -Crete and other areas in Med area Came to stay goodbye as I probably won’t ever be back - love this city and it’s history
As a child I have been to Venice at least 3 times (I have only been in florence once). My parents love Italy and we live in the netherlands, so almost every summer vacation we would pack up the car drive about 2 days (staying in Germany halfway) and stay in Italy of 2 weeks and when we where les than 3 hours away from Venice we would go to Venice. I didn't know any of the cultural background of the city but I found the place absolutely beautiful. I would like to go back Italy and especially venice someday with all the knowledge I have now from watching OSP and fully appreciating the city for what it is and how it came to be.
@@elgostine True but also regular Venetians can't get to work because of how full of tourists their streets are, real estate prices skyrocket because of things like AirBNB (If you give me the choice between renting the apartment I own to a family for 500€ a month - or renting each of its three rooms to tourists for 300€ per week... who wouldn't pick the latter? However this means that actual Venetians can't afford to live inside of their city, same as in places like Amsterdam and Barcelona). Also even though the majority of tourists behave more or less decently, the 10% of them who are swines can really ruin your day. That's without mentioning that a tourist will choose to throw trash anywhere except in a trashcan - that's at least the impression they give - and Venice's streets are water, so it's a lot harder to clean them up. Yes, tourists can be a boon for the economy, but they can also be a strain on every other aspect of life to the point where some people start wondering if it's worth it. Of course on the other hand you're always going to have short-sighted people who aren't aware that their job would be negatively impacted by the loss of tourists (because less money overall), so... I don't really think you can say one or the other is entirely right, it's a pickle. I've heard there are cities that try to strike a middle ground by limiting the number of tourists allowed inside at a time. Governments could also make the hospitality sector permit-based, but there would be a lot of protest (it would be the death of AirBNB, and raise hostelry prices across the board) and I just don't think politicians who want to be reelected will do that...
@@elgostine I swear to god. I am Italian. Stay home. It is true that the majority of Venice’s economy is tourism (not Veneto, Veneto sorrounding Venice is extremly industrial, one of the richest regions of Europe, and tourism a minor industry). However: 1. 10% of tourists make 90% of the income from tourism. These are tourists that come for festivals (movie festival), specific business events, or luxury tourism. A good part of the tourists bring more damage than benefit to the city. It is years that the city is calling for a complete ban of Cruise ships, and a quota of tourists. However everything is slow here. 2. Tourism is actually destroying other sectors of the Italian economy. Since tourism makes an exaggerate proportion of the economy, too many people are employed in those key sectors (which leaves little for other industries), furthermore it makes rent expensive, forcing businesses and inhabitants out of the city. In fact the population of Venice is decreasing year by year, and it’s businesses have all moved to the mainland trough the decades. All in all, tourism is a different industries from other industries. One of the few industries for which the free-market does not maximize the social welfare (since consumers/tourists, are actually importing, and receiving the benefit abroad not domestically).
Fun fact: Venice was a really fun Civ in 5, with unique mechanics, it became my main, and could be considered a major player due to it's ability to generate funds and city state allies
Yeah Venice really shot themselves in the foot with that whole 4th Crusade thing, a pretty shortsighted powergrab which both created and destroyed their naval empire. -Brutally sack your parent nation and permanently weaken it > Allows them to get weak and surrounded by the Ottomans > Refuse to do shit to help them when they call for help > Suffer the consqeuences as the Ottomans, the empire you indirectly helped create, destroy the naval empire you built off of plunder and treachery. I don't believe in karma, but if I did, this would be a pretty good example of it.
@C. C. A. Wrong, Venice did not send any help, only Genoa did. Venice were asked to send help but refused, then later they changed their mind and sent some ships, but by the time those ships arrived the Turks had already taken the city. So yet another example of Venice being exceptionally dickish to their parent nation, to the end.
@LagiNaLangAko23 Well yeah, failed payments was the casus beli. But Venice were the ones who used said payments as an excuse to divert the Crusade to their rival, Zara and then later to Constantinople. They hijacked the Crusade for their own personal gain because they were in a favourable position. The fact that the Crusade was poorly managed doesn't excuse what Venice did, if Venice hadn't gotten involved the Crusade would probably just have fizzled out and disbanded before every leaving Italy.
Seriously? The Ottomans started to be a issue for Venice 200 years after the sack of Constantinople (and initially they were a minor one, see the Battle of Gallipoli, that the Venetians won easily in 1416). Venice was holding parts of the gains of the 4th Crusade still 500 years after the sack. To have eliminated one of the intermediaries (so to have better prices and higher profits), annexed a good part of his wealth, and being still profiting of the operation after HALF A MILLENNIUM seems AN HELL of a deal. What financial plan predicts positive outcomings for five centuries?
If you are interested in more stuff about Venice, Roger Crowleys book "City of fortune: how venice ruled the seas" is a great read. I found it incredibly readable for how much content he actually covers.
I've just started EU4 as Venice and felt like reading/watching more about it. Guess it's a good nation to finally get deeper into the trade mechanics of the game.
@LagiNaLangAko23 or basically the Venice chapter of Assassin's Creed 2. Still, that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Leonardo Da Vinci as 16th century Q, providing a coterie of spies with gadgets, getting involved in international intrigue at the crossroads between Christian Europe and the Ottoman Empire. I would watch the hell out of a movie or series like that.
Now I see why Braavos is such as a badass city in GoT and able to produce a ship in a day, it's based off of Venice, which is the most badass Mediterranean government during the Medieval and Renaissance eras.
You know, I think it would be awesome if all of the history channels on TH-cam did a collaborative livestream of them playing a paradox game during a particular, notable war.
12:11 as a student of Ottoman history I've always referred to the Venetian republic as the empire's on and off, love/hate, trade/war, "Naval pain in the butt" girlfriend (Even in RTS games like the Total war series and EU4) and as happy as I am that the Ottomans were directly responsible for the eventual collapse of the republic following the aftermath domino effects of their seventh war of 1714-1718, it is fascinating to see how the republic functioned bureaucratically as a whole. Once again OSP produces another informative and enjoyable video 👏. One error though at 12:58, Lepanto was not the first time Spain and Venice got together, a (much larger) holy league had been assembled 33 years earlier, culminating at the battle of preveza 1538, which saw the Mediterranean's greatest admiral/pirate Hayrettin Barbarossa decisively defeat a combined Republic of Venice Duchy of Mantua Spanish Empire Portuguese Empire Papal States Republic of Genoa Order of Saint John fleet of some 300 of Europe's heaviest war vessels, capturing, sinking or burning about a fifth of the enemy fleet while not losing a single one of his 122 small to medium sized galleys. Also fun fact: the second Ottoman-Venetian war of 1499-1503 saw the Battle of Zonchio, the first naval battle in history where onboard cannons were used extensively (By the gunpowder empire of course) and played the deciding factor of the battle, thus solidifying artillery as the main weapon of naval warfare till this very day.
Thanks for that, very informative. I would usually say something derogatory about the ottomans at this point, but I have to be nice to the Turks until Bannerlord comes out.
"Venice shall drown only when man is erased from the earth." - Leonardo da Vinci How true as our species goes extinct even if Leo never said it...well maybe he did!
As a Byzantium fanboy in EUIV, completing this particular event always makes me smile. Annihilate Venice: "The fat and treacherous merchants of 'The Most Serene Republic' engineered the fall of Constantinople to the Latin invaders of the Fourth Crusade in 1204. Our subsequent and miraculous recovery has long been a source of concern in the Palazzo Ducale. The time is ripe to exact our GRUESOME VENGEANCE and HANG THE DOGE FROM HIS OWN WALLS!" Reward: Gain 20 Prestige and 100 Administrative Power. The event "Sack and destruction of Venice" and the modifier "Chastening of Venice" will then happen, which is even better.
@@s871-c1q This requires alot of RNG and restarts, but from my experience with the recent patches: -Focus on getting as many good allies as possible and build up a decent navy, don't give a shit about loans, if you have to go into debt, so be it. -Wait for the Ottomans to declare war on Albania which will call in Venice and their other allies. -Watch as the Ottoman navy gets wrecked and they send their troops over to Italy. -Declare war and carpet siege the Balkans, focusing on the forts to make it impossible for them to cross the straits. -Grab back your cores, with focus on making it impossible for them to block the straits May not work all the time, but if you get lucky, it's a decent strategy. Although you need to do quite a bit of improvisation, so don't follow each step as law.
Allying Albania, positioning 1k troops across the channel, and the resy at Athens. DoW on June 1445, get the ungarissoned fort across the channel (and if you are fast, Selanik). RNG plays a huge role here, but if you saw the ottos having war on the levant, spam carracks. The latter happened on my 2nd Byz playthrough, fun times ;)
@@s871-c1q an easy, but time consuming route would be to go back further using CK2 and then port a game where you're not starting from a position handicapped by a run of terrible (usually short-lived) emperors. If you do well you might even be able to hit 1444 having most of the Western Roman Empire reunified under your rule. If you do _really_ well, you can do even better than that.
Did u know they fought ottoman single handedly almost 2 centuries,w/ no help of popes spanish and austrian?even they'd expenses their own fund for that
See the rest of Operation Odysseus here!
th-cam.com/play/PLDb22nlVXGgd2rdNu1C44t-hoYXA9bL2M.html
And feel free to leave a comment about your favorite century of Venetian history - don't worry, every answer is correct.
-Blue
My favourite Venetian century? Ezio, of course!
Is it bad I thought this was a remake of the super-multi part history of Venice?
Hey soo can u guys do something about the Philippines cause i have this history test a few weeks from now thanks
*Blue. Blue. You keep saying "piles of wood," which while not technically an incorrect use of language, brings to mind this: < **upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Stack_of_firewood.jpg** > when I think you mean this: and a more widely-accepted way to refer to those would be "wooden piles." Piles are a type of deep foundation still in common use today, though usually we use steel or reinforced concrete instead of wood : **www.researchgate.net/profile/Kamol_Amornfa/publication/269689568/figure/fig1/AS:392209795960834@1470521510505/Typical-Bangkok-subsoil-profile-and-range-of-pile-length-After-Phienwej-et-al-2006_Q320.jpg**.*
*EDIT: I made the eternal mistake of not finishing the video before I commented. It seems you know what piles are. In that case, I just think it's really confusing to say "piles of wood" instead of "wooden piles."*
Overly Sarcastic Productions hey Blue, I recently discovered and preceded to binge watch you & Red’s channel. I love the channel but I had one question. Can people swim in the canals of Venice? I know I could probably google it but I figured you would know. Anyway , keep up the good work and I hope to see more from you two in the future!
2:20
*Byzantium:* Allows Venetian independence and trade rights.
*Venice:* Takes over Byzantine islands as debt repayment and then sacks Constantinople.
*Byzantium:* This is the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe in the history of ever.
Say what, China doing the same thing. Good to know this practice is centuries old
fuzzyhair321 I don’t remember a point in history where China was a city state given permission to exist by America
@@MultiAlpha11 Everything exists because America gives it permission to exist. Fuck yea. (Rides out on a giant eagle eating a hamburger.)
@@renaultr3565 (the eagle has a couple of rad shades and holds a rocket launcher in one claw and a minigun on the other)
I make Denouncing Venice my new religion
Bonus points to any that get the reference.
"The eastern arm pit of Italy" totally should be their new slogan.
How are you commenting 4 days ago when this video came out today
It's in his name"Beat"...obviously a time traveler.
First off it's obviously a knee.
@@user-rt2mq3qp2k He's not a filthy peasant who doesn't pay like us.
Italy is the shape of a leg and legs don't have armpits so I think Venice is the ass of Italy. A very beautiful ass.
THEORY: Cyan isn't a human. Blue is dating the immortal spirit of Venice
OSP has confirmed it!
It's now canon! XD
apparently the immortal spirit of venice doesn't like puns..who woulda thought.
Venice would be one hot gf.
@@drummar_boy a classy crazy italian .. me likey lul
Why am I not surprised in the least?
"Hey, Blue, do you wanna talk about the Venician Republic and how awesome and stable it was again."
Blue: "Welllll, I dunno I already did a whole series on it already...." He begins rolling up his sleeves and lighting the fireplace, "What else could possibly be said about the beautiful city or their amazing and somewhat disproportionate hold on all trade?"
He pauses, and smiles at the nice person who asked, "Please hold my beer while I show you what more I could say."
Hold my BEER? Blu drinking beer and talking about Venice? Nope, he's got to be drinking wine!
@@davidbriggs264 hes celebrating with beer (please let someone get that)
1204 Sack of Constantinople: "Huh these muslims are really weird, speaking Greek, Byzantine icons, Christian artwork. Weird"
lol
Lol
It wasn't European Leaders Ordering the sack of Byzantium, it was mercenaries who got out of control.
@@bryanl1984 Dandolo wasn't a European leader? What the fuck are you on about? He was a Doge.
@@bryanl1984 Venetia is at fault dud they got money out of nowhere apparently right after the sacking...
Trump, 2018: _Wall_
Venice in the 6th Century: *_Mega Moat_*
Hey,a Trump joke that ISN'T completely sad and disheartening
Or as Trump may say, a *maga* moat
Did they make the Lombards pay for it?
@@bificommander Probably. I mean, they ended up beeing raided more. HAH
We're gonna float on through Venetian Canal-venue, and then we'll take it higher.
Out the lagoon there is violence
we've a lot of work to be done.
No place to put all our people,
And the Lombards are 'bout to come.
OH NO
Already, we'll all float on, okay, already we'll all float on all right, all ready we'll all float on okay, already we'll all float on anyways, well?
Venice: We are so serene, the bestest most calmest, mostest serenest republic ever!
Everyone else: weird flex but ok..
And don't forget they throw the BEST parties. The much-touted night of excess known as "Mardi Gras" is a weak-sauce, toned down version of Carnevale.
And then there was Genova La Superba, that didnt care to be serene and wanted only to be superb
Serene doesnt have that meaning when refering to italian republics..
such serenity, much ducats
@@Just_A_Dude TBF Carnival, and Fat Tuesday in particular, was kind of universal in Catholic Europe, rich cities like Venice just celebrated it more uproariously. If was an unofficial season of partying and feasting on the the last week before Lent, because once Ash Wednesday hit, practicing Catholics were required to abstain from meat, butter and other 'foods of the rich' for the next 40 days (not counting Sundays because each Sunday is a mini-Easter), and fast from even 'poor' foods on Fridays and other special days. Basically, its a party celebrating it being the last day you CAN party for a while.
Why did Venice work? Easy. People said they were DAFT to build a city in a lagoon, so they built it all the same!
...it sank into the lagoon! So they built a 2nd one!...it sank into the lagoon. So they built a 3rd one! That burned down, fell over, and then sank into the lagoon.
But the 4th one! The 4th one stayed up!
That sounds oddly familiar. As if I had heard it somewhere but can't remember where
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
@@TheNN ah the swamp right?
And that's what you're going to get... the STRONGEST [Republic] in these isles
Venice is Carthage with an Italian accent.
-Friend of Rome in crisis and later enemy
-Revolutionary leaps in ship design an d production
-Very defensible position
-Huge mercantile empire
But Venice was never burned to the ground ;)
So they're basically what would happen if Rome and Carthage did the fusion dance? Welp, now I know why they were so OP.
Salt was already in the water
@@MarfSantangelo the fusion of carthage and rome is spain essentially, venice advantage was 1 it was stupid to try and take it by land 2 the venetians became superb seafarers and any enemy coming by sea would of been sunked, their mercantile empire wasnt that huge actually, venice operated mostly on the eastern mediterranean where they would link the muslim and bizantine trade goods with the rest of europe, genoa on the other hand operated in the west and focused on trading with spain(mostly aragon and the nasrid kingdom of granada), france, italy and north africa
Kekero, Except Venice was a vassal of Rome till 1083 and we’re trash on land.
I can tell you the Venetian accent has nothing italian
Look at that handsome Devil
Thank you for doing this massive setup bro # operation Odysseus
How did you comment 6 days ago on a vid less than 10 minutes old?
Desol8 _ Magic duh
@@r.r.n8998 bro .... good eye
with arms no less ;)
Venice: i am the only way to get spices to Europe
Portugal: *i'm about to end this man's whole career*
Lol
netherlands: yoink! it's mine now
Spain: keep yourselves busy with money, we will take care of your souls.
Awesome video OSP! Hopefully we can set up another big collab like this one in the future!!
All the legends in one place!!
Constantinople no! 😭
I know... I feel it too... everytime man, every time...
Constantinople YES!
The sack itself benefit Venice until it cause the rise of Ottomans, and they lost everything.
@@hachibidelta4237congratulations, you played yourself.
They wanted to beat their rival Constantinople who already gave them so many concessions but ended up causing the rise of a much stronger foe who did not want to cooperate with them anywhere near as much as the Romans. Common Venetian L. Based Napoleon.
@@zippyparakeet1074 it was pure greed to loot the city, although the Angeloi had it coming for them because of political infighting.
You missed one point. Venice was founded during the Attila's invasion, not during the lombard one. The Huns couldn't use their mounted archers effectively in the lagoon and so the citizens of Aquileia decided to settle there to protect themselves
Venice is just a glorified Dwarf Fortress project.
There's probably a lever somewhere to activate all the submerged screw pumps to get at the Willow Wood supports.
*_wheeze_*
DON'T PUSH THE RED BUTTON! That is a last line of defense against the elephants. It replaces the water in the city with lava.
My wife and I spent a few days in Venice while on our honeymoon. It's a truly special city that should be experienced by all. Just don't go during the peak tourist season. Walking around the city at night with not a soul around is magical. Good food too...
Italian history teacher: 'Ok, guys! The four more important "Repubbliche marinare" ?'
Kids: "Venezia, Genova, Amalfi and Pisa!" (True story! The Italian navy insignia put together the symbols of those 4 cities)
As a Venetian I'm thrilled at how well you captured the essence of its history. I have come to like and respect Venice more because of its past than its present. I hope one day you can also talk about Fra' Paolo Sarpi, one of my personal heroes. Thank you!
My favorite Venetian story, and there are many good ones, is of the time the Lombards besieged the city. As noted above they couldn't take it, but they hoped to starve it out. Instead, the Lombards ran out of food and then, as usual, disease struck. The Venetians just waited patiently, but as an interim amusement activity, they sailed their ships over towards the Lombards and launched loaves of bread into the Lombards to point out to them that Venice was in way starving. Eventually the Lombards took the hint and left.
You made the video just to use the Assassin's Creed music, I'm on to you
I had to scroll way too far before finding a comment about the AC2 music, thank you.
DMD I did the same exact thing!
DMD Also Odessey
Haha ikr
"Everyone else using walls"
The Aztecs would like a word with you.
Venice didn't know about the Aztecs
They came about 800 years later.
@Charlie Sosa that's still 600 years later
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Vero Funno
Fantastic video man. Early Medieval Italy is such fascinating topic
You forgot the war of the League of Cambrai (1508-1516) when Venice defeated a coalition formed by France, the HRE, the pope, Spain and other italian states. Still a nice video though, as a citizen of a former Venetian city I approve.
I had absolutely no idea Venice was still independent until so recently, nor for the insane amount of time it had that independence
Wish we still had it... like a sort of San Marino!
Venice is one of the most beautiful cities in the world and one of the most significant cities of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and early modern times. Venice played an enormous role in the development of medieval, Renaissance and Baroque art, architecture, sculpture and music. This continued into the 1500, 1600 and 1700s after the trade routes shifted to the Atlantic Ocean and Venice went into decline as a maritime power.
Vivaldi, Titian and Tintoretto were all Venetians.
I visited Venice when I was 15 and hope to return some day.
What does a Venetian man say to his wife?
"You look Most Serene today, honey."
Alex P ?
@@htoodoh5770 the serene republic
Copate
I'm literally sitting in the Parco Rimembranze S.Elena, overlooking all of Venice during Carnival, listening to this. Thanks for being my tour guide through history, Blue.
"Crete was a bastion for Greek culture!"
Ottoman Turks: "NERF BASTION!"
...I'm sorry
Ocareening Every day we stray further from god
Cyphron
Okay, yeah, that's fair.
*This is the comment that brought God back.*
yeah I think in Crete, in Herakleion and Candia was over 25 years the sieges, crazy.
your right so winston
Fun fact: the republic of Venice has the hardest flag to draw
I've been reading a book called Salt: A World History. I find it interesting how well it lines up with my AP World History class. Something I learned was how Venice and Genoa were both growing rich over ownership of profitable salt businesses.
Not only them. Salt was a rare but very necessary good within the mainland. Hence it was always a very expensive good. I am from Southern Germany. Most of our salt was mined within the Alps and shipped down the smaller rivers to the Danube and from there way down into the Balkans or into the North and to Czechia via land.
A lot of the mined Salt was controlled by Salzburg, Austria (whose translation literally means salt castle by the way) and therefore heavily taxed which made them quite rich. But basically every city state along those rivers taxed the salt again and again which made the salt more and more expensive the further away from the Alps it was transported.
Hippies: Paris is the city of Love
I adore how the amount of effort you put into your videos was impressive since the beginning and even now doesn't cease to astonish me at how dedicated you two are.
I'm originally from Ancona, now living in Venice. You can't imagine how happy I'm about this video series!
Reminds me of what I did in EUIV, I was playing as the Byzantine empire after kicking the ottomans out of Europe and doing my best to keep them in Anatolia. My empire was doing very good with expanding into the balkans. But to get naval superiority I had to deal with Venice. I was able to get a Cassius belli on damaltia and declared war on Venice. I couldn’t beat them in the sea but I had military access to Austrian lands, Venice had nothing on my army an I quickly sieged them out of Venice. You might think the war was going good for me but the entire time my empire was suffering trade wise and was also getting raided by the ottomans. My empire wouldn’t recover for 50 years in game. But that was the most fun I had in that game, I still am not able to top that war with anything else.
I love how you opened the video with: " How does Venice even exist?" XD
Fun thing is that Venice exist just by deforestation of evergreen oak forests on east cost of Adriatic sea which are now rare on that area of world.
Collabs within collabs it's collabception! Great video OSP. Thanks for helping put this together it's been great!
Stefan Milo did they start it?
@@eretnordeng7069 yeah it was their idea and they opened it up to almost every history channel really. Twas very cool of them.
Recently visited Venice gotta admit I really fell in love with her, but just being there gave a sense of doom each alley was wonky and most towers were tilted. The shopkeepers said that the younger generation is tired of the struggles living without roads and so live in the mainland only working in town because of tourism.
The city is slowly dying... nobody really wants to live there. I moved to the Netherlands for example!
Fun Fact: Argentina's biggest dairy products brand is called La Serenissima.
Well 63% of argentina is basically a mix of friulian, venetian and lombard italians
I’m grateful that I’ve visited Venice before. It’s such an amazing place, and I desperately want to go again! Your video gave me some nostalgia and a trip to Italy is definitely up there on my bucket list 🥰
Holy History!! Forget the infinity wars, this is a hell of a collaboration series right here!!!!
I think we can all so that this is a huge accomplishment for the TH-cam history community. I can't wait to see what Operation Odysseus has in store!
My Family was from venice. now living in Brazil since 1850's.
It’s interesting to me that between all the old powers there were small nations in everlasting neutrality. Venice between franks and Byzantium, Switzerland between HRE and France, Navarre between France and Spain, Holstein between Kalmar union and HRE until later annexed by Denmark I think... Idk why that’s so interesting to me but it seemed to happen a lot in Europe
Venice wasnt so neutral, they sided with whoever they saw had the most money and influence, Navarra on the other hand wasnt neutral, they were allied by marriage with the rest of the kingdoms on the peninsula, aside from having a big cultural connection with aragon and castilla(the region not the whole crown)
And then you have San Marino. Almost 2000 years of neutrality.
I visited Venice half a year ago, after i saw your original Venice videos. I went there with a friend of mine. Great city. (To be honest, visiting Italy was something we decided quite drunk after a party, but at least it was your fault we went to Venice in particular :D)
This city is amazing. I was there back in the late 90s and was in awe of the architecture. I also learned that opening a bag of chips in St. Mark Plaza means immanent attack by pigeons. We were told to never eat there and one of us (being dumb teenagers) decided to do just that. It was funny as hell seeing him run all around the place being chased by pigeons. He eventually made it into a shop and the birds dispersed. Still, awesome city.
As one who is part of Denouncing Venice, I must state this channel has a clear Boat Mormon bias that interferes with their covering of the material.
(YOU FOOL KATRINA! NOBODY IN THIS CHANNEL'S AUDIENCE HAS ANY CROSS OVER WITH THE AREAS TH-cam THAT WOULD KNOW OF DENOUNCING VENICE AND BOAT MORMONS!)
That's where you're wrong. If you doubt the cross over potential of great channels, someone may have to challenge you to theological combat.
Besides, I'm not convinced you are devoted to your religion enough. Have you denounced your neighbor today?
As a Byzantine enthusiast, Denouncing Venice is, of course, my religion.
I'M NOT INVADING YOUUUUUUU
What Bias? Can't we all just agree to Ban Crabs?
doormonster?
I am Venetian and watching this video made me cry
Just watching Blue talk about Venice always brightens me up.
Funny to see the similarities between Venice then and Amsterdam/Holland in the 17th century.
- Cities built on wooden poles in swampy waters
- Trade over religious evangelism
- Great Shipbuilders
- Downfall by the French in the end
Venice was indeed a prototype for the Netherlands. Unfortunately, only the latter is still a big power. Greetings from a Venetian who moved to Amsterdam :)
Thanks for the quickie you tube
This is my 7 th visit - starting in 1957 as a 7 year old feeding pigeons …
Been back many times since over the decades
Read countless books- visited Cyprus -Crete and other areas in Med area
Came to stay goodbye as I probably won’t ever be back - love this city and it’s history
That moment when 17 channels made a collaboration about a topic you know little about...
Marathon time!
I watched your video on Byzantine and it helped me restore the whole Roman empire in crusader kings three
Thank you for the video from a passionate venetian citizen who still wants independence from italy. Viva San Marco!
No, indipendence will worse the situation, Better autonomus status like Alto Adige
As a child I have been to Venice at least 3 times (I have only been in florence once). My parents love Italy and we live in the netherlands, so almost every summer vacation we would pack up the car drive about 2 days (staying in Germany halfway) and stay in Italy of 2 weeks and when we where les than 3 hours away from Venice we would go to Venice. I didn't know any of the cultural background of the city but I found the place absolutely beautiful. I would like to go back Italy and especially venice someday with all the knowledge I have now from watching OSP and fully appreciating the city for what it is and how it came to be.
dear turist,
please stay at home.
sicerely: the venetians
yeah right, thats half their income (i exaggerate i presume)
Your plea is finally answered.
Be careful what you wish for
@@elgostine True but also regular Venetians can't get to work because of how full of tourists their streets are, real estate prices skyrocket because of things like AirBNB (If you give me the choice between renting the apartment I own to a family for 500€ a month - or renting each of its three rooms to tourists for 300€ per week... who wouldn't pick the latter? However this means that actual Venetians can't afford to live inside of their city, same as in places like Amsterdam and Barcelona). Also even though the majority of tourists behave more or less decently, the 10% of them who are swines can really ruin your day. That's without mentioning that a tourist will choose to throw trash anywhere except in a trashcan - that's at least the impression they give - and Venice's streets are water, so it's a lot harder to clean them up. Yes, tourists can be a boon for the economy, but they can also be a strain on every other aspect of life to the point where some people start wondering if it's worth it. Of course on the other hand you're always going to have short-sighted people who aren't aware that their job would be negatively impacted by the loss of tourists (because less money overall), so... I don't really think you can say one or the other is entirely right, it's a pickle. I've heard there are cities that try to strike a middle ground by limiting the number of tourists allowed inside at a time. Governments could also make the hospitality sector permit-based, but there would be a lot of protest (it would be the death of AirBNB, and raise hostelry prices across the board) and I just don't think politicians who want to be reelected will do that...
@@elgostine
I swear to god. I am Italian. Stay home.
It is true that the majority of Venice’s economy is tourism (not Veneto, Veneto sorrounding Venice is extremly industrial, one of the richest regions of Europe, and tourism a minor industry).
However:
1. 10% of tourists make 90% of the income from tourism. These are tourists that come for festivals (movie festival), specific business events, or luxury tourism.
A good part of the tourists bring more damage than benefit to the city.
It is years that the city is calling for a complete ban of Cruise ships, and a quota of tourists.
However everything is slow here.
2. Tourism is actually destroying other sectors of the Italian economy.
Since tourism makes an exaggerate proportion of the economy, too many people are employed in those key sectors (which leaves little for other industries), furthermore it makes rent expensive, forcing businesses and inhabitants out of the city.
In fact the population of Venice is decreasing year by year, and it’s businesses have all moved to the mainland trough the decades.
All in all, tourism is a different industries from other industries. One of the few industries for which the free-market does not maximize the social welfare (since consumers/tourists, are actually importing, and receiving the benefit abroad not domestically).
I just want to say how cool this is, and that how amazed I was to see like 5 videos published by a bunch of my favorite youtube channels all at once
Fun fact: Venice was a really fun Civ in 5, with unique mechanics, it became my main, and could be considered a major player due to it's ability to generate funds and city state allies
Just came back to say
VIVA LA SERENISSIMA
PAR TERA E PAR MAR!
PAR TERA E PAR MAR VIVA SAN MARCO!!
@@grimorio6968 dagheee, non semo mia Italiania noialtri Veneti
There was only a true maritime republic: VENICE! Viva San Marco!
I'm Venetian, after all :-3
Veneto Stato
@@WFASPigeonGang no, ghe finemo nella merda, però regione autonoma
There where alot more maritime republics, like ragusa(croatia) ore ancona/ genoa.
@@WFASPigeonGang Stato si, però all'interno dell'Italia, come una federazione! Come i cantoni svizzeri
I can't tell you how much I love that fact you used for Venice a graphic from my 2nd favorite video game ever - The Merchant Prince.
This must be the greatest city in all of history
I’m studying architecture here, it’s fantastic
Yeah Venice really shot themselves in the foot with that whole 4th Crusade thing, a pretty shortsighted powergrab which both created and destroyed their naval empire.
-Brutally sack your parent nation and permanently weaken it > Allows them to get weak and surrounded by the Ottomans > Refuse to do shit to help them when they call for help > Suffer the consqeuences as the Ottomans, the empire you indirectly helped create, destroy the naval empire you built off of plunder and treachery.
I don't believe in karma, but if I did, this would be a pretty good example of it.
@C. C. A.
Wrong, Venice did not send any help, only Genoa did. Venice were asked to send help but refused, then later they changed their mind and sent some ships, but by the time those ships arrived the Turks had already taken the city.
So yet another example of Venice being exceptionally dickish to their parent nation, to the end.
@LagiNaLangAko23
Well yeah, failed payments was the casus beli. But Venice were the ones who used said payments as an excuse to divert the Crusade to their rival, Zara and then later to Constantinople. They hijacked the Crusade for their own personal gain because they were in a favourable position. The fact that the Crusade was poorly managed doesn't excuse what Venice did, if Venice hadn't gotten involved the Crusade would probably just have fizzled out and disbanded before every leaving Italy.
As a Byzantine enthusiast, the only attitude I can take to Venice's later problems is "good riddens. You brought this on yourselves."
@LagiNaLangAko23
Zara is in Croatia, and was a pretty big rival city of Venice as Venice wanted commercian dominance over the Adriatic.
Seriously? The Ottomans started to be a issue for Venice 200 years after the sack of Constantinople (and initially they were a minor one, see the Battle of Gallipoli, that the Venetians won easily in 1416). Venice was holding parts of the gains of the 4th Crusade still 500 years after the sack.
To have eliminated one of the intermediaries (so to have better prices and higher profits), annexed a good part of his wealth, and being still profiting of the operation after HALF A MILLENNIUM seems AN HELL of a deal. What financial plan predicts positive outcomings for five centuries?
This solidified Venice as my favourite Italian City state
If you are interested in more stuff about Venice, Roger Crowleys book "City of fortune: how venice ruled the seas" is a great read. I found it incredibly readable for how much content he actually covers.
The background music brings so much nostalgia :)
"Napoleon brought the Bona-party to Venice."
I'm dead
Such a cool collaboration idea. Love it, hope this niche community grows.
I like the Assassin's Creed II soundtrack in the background. It's fitting since they go to Venice in that game.
Watching this as a venitian.... so good!
This video gives me the urge to play EU4 or CK2
And sack Constantinople again
I've just started EU4 as Venice and felt like reading/watching more about it. Guess it's a good nation to finally get deeper into the trade mechanics of the game.
You monster.
Kaathe Darkstalker I prefer Total War.
The ancestor group I’m probably the proudest of.
7:45 Someone make a remix of Blue saying "Bad Venice. Bad"
Omg, at the end when the assassin’s creed music started playing I got shivers. Very subtle and well done!😄
Wow, why didn’t they make a spy movie about Venice. Way more interesting then James Bond.
Set during the 16th Century.
@Ian M Two Bonds were in Venice, Roger Moore (Moonraker) and Craig Charles (Casino Royale)
@LagiNaLangAko23 or basically the Venice chapter of Assassin's Creed 2. Still, that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Leonardo Da Vinci as 16th century Q, providing a coterie of spies with gadgets, getting involved in international intrigue at the crossroads between Christian Europe and the Ottoman Empire. I would watch the hell out of a movie or series like that.
@@weldonwin From Russia with love was also for a part in Venice
Craig Charles? I can go for a Scouse Bond, but I'm not sure the world is ready ;)
Wales: My flag is difficult to draw
Venice: Hold my lagoon water
Of corse your doing Venice. Of course you are
Now I see why Braavos is such as a badass city in GoT and able to produce a ship in a day, it's based off of Venice, which is the most badass Mediterranean government during the Medieval and Renaissance eras.
The Arsenal of Venice was famously able to produce a galley a day, and their rowers were no slaves
Infinity War is the largest crosso.......
You know, I think it would be awesome if all of the history channels on TH-cam did a collaborative livestream of them playing a paradox game during a particular, notable war.
Venice is 1600 years old.
I love this project odyssey, I’ve always loved naval history, thank you all!
12:11 as a student of Ottoman history I've always referred to the Venetian republic as the empire's on and off, love/hate, trade/war, "Naval pain in the butt" girlfriend (Even in RTS games like the Total war series and EU4) and as happy as I am that the Ottomans were directly responsible for the eventual collapse of the republic following the aftermath domino effects of their seventh war of 1714-1718, it is fascinating to see how the republic functioned bureaucratically as a whole.
Once again OSP produces another informative and enjoyable video 👏.
One error though at 12:58, Lepanto was not the first time Spain and Venice got together, a (much larger) holy league had been assembled 33 years earlier, culminating at the battle of preveza 1538, which saw the Mediterranean's greatest admiral/pirate Hayrettin Barbarossa decisively defeat a combined
Republic of Venice
Duchy of Mantua
Spanish Empire
Portuguese Empire
Papal States
Republic of Genoa
Order of Saint John fleet of some 300 of Europe's heaviest war vessels, capturing, sinking or burning about a fifth of the enemy fleet while not losing a single one of his 122 small to medium sized galleys.
Also fun fact: the second Ottoman-Venetian war of 1499-1503 saw the Battle of Zonchio, the first naval battle in history where onboard cannons were used extensively (By the gunpowder empire of course) and played the deciding factor of the battle, thus solidifying artillery as the main weapon of naval warfare till this very day.
Thanks for that, very informative. I would usually say something derogatory about the ottomans at this point, but I have to be nice to the Turks until Bannerlord comes out.
@sun bro glad to see another lord waiting for the release
what movie was that kid?
I'm taking a "History of Venice" class next semester, so this video is perfect for me.
D&D Campaign setting: Fusion of Venetian Republic and Pirate's Republic of Nassau.
Do with what you will.
Already done. It worked pretty good. TSR released it under the title of Corsair Kingdoms for their Al-Qadim setting.
i'm from Verona and i love venetian history, and i love the flag, oh god the best flag ever
Here So Early It’s Not Even Public Yet!
I’m subbing to you because of time travel
*_WHAT WITCH CRAFT IS THIS!?_*
This operation is a blessing, hope for more in the future
Just when I thought I was early, I see a comment from a week ago
While you were reading this I stole your memes I did not give you permission to touch my memes! I politely request you return them posthaste!
@@jamesforgie6594 Well I dear sir decline your request with said same politeness. They have been taken for good. I do apologise for any inconvenience
I'm amazed that it has taken Blue this long to do this.
"Always for the good of the republic rather than for personal benefit."
Huh, that sounds familiar...
*Senātus Populusque Rōmānus!*
Idk what it is but you and red have the best narration voice I have ever heard XD
"Venice shall drown only when man is erased from the earth." - Leonardo da Vinci How true as our species goes extinct even if Leo never said it...well maybe he did!
That's kinda scary considering global warming puts Venice at risk!
@@Aleronx90 As the class at GretaThunberg (0rg) explains humans will soon be erased.
Life hit different when these collabs were getting pumped out
This Assassins Creed II Music fits very good
I friggin' love when history youtubers collaborate!! Keep it up
As a Byzantium fanboy in EUIV, completing this particular event always makes me smile.
Annihilate Venice: "The fat and treacherous merchants of 'The Most Serene Republic' engineered the fall of Constantinople to the Latin invaders of the Fourth Crusade in 1204. Our subsequent and miraculous recovery has long been a source of concern in the Palazzo Ducale. The time is ripe to exact our GRUESOME VENGEANCE and HANG THE DOGE FROM HIS OWN WALLS!"
Reward: Gain 20 Prestige and 100 Administrative Power.
The event "Sack and destruction of Venice" and the modifier "Chastening of Venice" will then happen, which is even better.
hey friend, how do I survive as Byzantium in 1444?
@@s871-c1q
This requires alot of RNG and restarts, but from my experience with the recent patches:
-Focus on getting as many good allies as possible and build up a decent navy, don't give a shit about loans, if you have to go into debt, so be it.
-Wait for the Ottomans to declare war on Albania which will call in Venice and their other allies.
-Watch as the Ottoman navy gets wrecked and they send their troops over to Italy.
-Declare war and carpet siege the Balkans, focusing on the forts to make it impossible for them to cross the straits.
-Grab back your cores, with focus on making it impossible for them to block the straits
May not work all the time, but if you get lucky, it's a decent strategy. Although you need to do quite a bit of improvisation, so don't follow each step as law.
Allying Albania, positioning 1k troops across the channel, and the resy at Athens. DoW on June 1445, get the ungarissoned fort across the channel (and if you are fast, Selanik). RNG plays a huge role here, but if you saw the ottos having war on the levant, spam carracks. The latter happened on my 2nd Byz playthrough, fun times ;)
@@marvelfannumber1
This strategy, however, is risky, because the Ottomans are very unpredictable, although it's the best one.
@@s871-c1q an easy, but time consuming route would be to go back further using CK2 and then port a game where you're not starting from a position handicapped by a run of terrible (usually short-lived) emperors.
If you do well you might even be able to hit 1444 having most of the Western Roman Empire reunified under your rule. If you do _really_ well, you can do even better than that.
Currently in Venice rewatching your video to reremember some history. Thank you blue!
Did u know they fought ottoman single handedly almost 2 centuries,w/ no help of popes spanish and austrian?even they'd expenses their own fund for that