Somehow I can't fall in love with ID.3. I'm not sure why but first thing coming to my mind is "too many bizarre solutions". Still can't understand the touch panel on the left (lamps), or common switch for front and rear windows. This car .... I feel it is more cold calculation that warm or hot emotions in it. What I like about the review is the way you did it Mr Marek :-) Professionalist - as usually. Thumb up for review, down for the car. Thanks !
Funny how emotional the rear window switch is debated - some love it others hate it - maybe it depends how often you even would use it? - I like the clean very reduced interior - one common denominator seems to be that it's a very solid built and fun to drive car but the SW is lacking - luckily there is hope as the SW can be updated :D at least there is hope :D
I own one, no problems, no bugs. Great car, quiet, comfortable, fast. Like the overall style of the car, interiour, lights, sounds. And made in europe that was important for me.
Same here. Best car I ever owned, tbh. And I change regularly but this one should stay with me longer than usual. I had absolutely no bugs though clearly we are lucky.
excellent TH-camr Bjorn Nyland likes the ID.3 pretty much, even though he is a Tesla guy. Quiet, comfortable, quick-charging, is his verdict. On one of his 1k km contests the VW fared pretty well, a bit better than Kona and the other Koreans, though not quite up there with Tesla. At a good price, it's the mid-range EV to have.
I am a first mover and just love the car. No problems whatsoever, much bigger and better interior, painting and sound proof than Model 3, and ACC and travel assist is the best among all. If you drive at 100 kms/h you can reach 400 kms (at 90, with no AC on, you can reach 450 kms).
Soundproofing in the M3 is indeed very bad. I drove the car for a weekend and was negatively surprised by the noise the car makes at 50 km/h in the city. Was even louder than radio music at normal noise level and bothered me very much.
I am a former Golf owner and now I have an ID.3 1st Max - preordered on the first day. I disagree with you on several points - for one, it’s a perfect long distance car and after having driven some 8 hour motorway drives, it was confirmed. Check out Tesla Bjørn’s 1000km challenge and you will see the ID.3 beats most others. The lane assist you complain about can be adjusted in the settings although many people complain about it anyway as it’s a “lane departure assist” in the ID.3 plus that you were driving not a fully functional lane assist that comes in the Max. It’s true there are many SW bugs and the update that should fix them and add the missing functionality is not coming until early 2021 for the 1st owners. From Dec 1st, new cars will come with the update pre-installed. It’s unfortunate but it was either put up with these issues or wait to take delivery until the end of the year - as a bonus, those of us that chose to be early adopters got some incentives like free winter wheels and tires.
Oh please, you get incentives like these (or just simply money off) at any end-of-year sale. In Poland VW was offering 3 months "free" lease... for all its cars, because of covid, so it was no incentive. As much as I appreciate Tesla Bjørn's thorough reviews, he also drives in optimum conditions. In optimum conditions I drove the KIA e-Niro for 420 km, and had 40 km range left at the end of the journey. Speeding things up a bit in the e-Soul I was down to about 400, and driving "normally" it would be even less. As I said - this is a great city car, but it has the same problem as all EVs - unless you have good charging infrastructure, it is useless on longer trips. I don't mind 15-20 minutes charging break. I just mind not being able to charge :)
@@MarekDrives the "covid" incentive was no such thing. This was offered in many countries to those of us that chose to accept the ID.3 before the sw was finished. Some of us also get free service for 3 years and additional "early adopter" incentives. I do not agree the TB drives in "optimum conditions". And of course the charging infrastructure needs to be there but that goes without saying - here in Norway, it is. :P
Got one for my wife. Nice comfortable car. Easy to drive. Rally good LED matrix headlights. No issues (it is one of the first Business versions - not the 1st model). Sjitty infotainment SW though. I drive a Model 3 LR awd myself and I would personally choose a Model 3..... But my wife really loves it and she had the choice to get a Model SR+ instead.
you are just the best car reviewer, you never go by the hype and just say the truth, what doesn't mean, that the car is bad. Just not good. When I saw first time the id3 in any video I just thought "what?". We call it in german "hybridization" (maybe Hermafrodyta in polish), something between two things. It's not for this purpose great and not fot the other, and for me it's too "cheaply" wanted to be "in any case" a design peace. And this gear shifter... I don't continue, comment would be blocked by moral guardian Google.
Based on your and others reviews, I think electric vehicles will be an option for "average Joe" in 2030. 30K euro, for what this car can offer, is very expensive, 40k - 50k euro is an economical non-sense! By the way, I like your reviews! Good work!
I find it mindblowing that VW didn’t solve the software issues after postponing the launch due to this problem. Also the fact that the 77kWh version only sits 4 persons. And still no towing.... Btw I’m on my second e-Golf and loving it!
Not worth the hype, imo. Also, you are the first(!) journalist I have seen who points out the idiotic diamond cavitys in the bumper. Designers have never been outdoors?
Thanks for a great review. I will only touch upon the road-trip part, as I did one in our Tesla mid October this year. Not a pleasure cruise due to circumstances other than the pandemic, but we made an adventure out of it. Total of 3800 km return trip, 16 stops for charging, 180wh/km. Due to regulations we couldn’t sleep in a hotel, so we slept in the car. Lovely experience, but judging by your report on id1, it is definitely not the vehicle of choice for touring around the content.
It is a compact car, so I'd not recommend it for sleeping, unless you are a student, and you don't care where you sleep :) A charging stop every 250 km is what I'd expect, but at the same time I know it adds so much time to the journey which could be done much quicker. It can be done though.
@@MarekDrives from other Videos e.g Marcus - it always works - unless it's deactivated in the settings - e.g there I more regen in D mode if the car knows there are speed limits ahead or a city or…
@Bernhard Gronau I thought I scrolled throughly enough through the menus. I recall I had to activate the function of ACC that it would adapt to the traffic signs, but in normal driving I didn't notice anything like what you're describing. And yes, it would make sense. KIA e-Soul has that. Maybe it works only in Eco mode (like in the KIA)? I turned Eco mode on only once, and switched back to Comfort, because it really killed the joy of driving the ID.3.
I reserved an ID.3 when it was announced, but when the time came buy it I just couldn’t part with my lovely Golf VII R-line. I will wait now until the ID.3 reaches it’s full potential and has a different bonnet without black plastic.
I think this is a great hatchback. Definitely better than the e-Golf. Probably would be my 1st choice to buy now. But as you said, if long distance trips are important, the Tesla Model 3 is just much more suitable.
I think it's a big leap fwd, but as a general purpose car not enough fwd. You spotted and chased manufacturer like no one else on the car reviewing planet, constructively, which is no surprise and welcome. Are you going to test the Polestar 2 one day? That I think many are waiting for. Wish u will do your journey in 2021. And a good week end :)
Don't know. I was surprised to see the Brits getting a chance for a first drive. The weather in Poland right now is not for hot hatches, so even it if appears on the press fleet, I'd wait until the spring.
Hey Marek, can I ask that in which car brands and why put some poles an ”A” in the end of the name? I have noticed here in TH-cam that some poles says for example ”Volkswagena” or ”Hyundaia” or ”Nissana”. I have noticed that they say that even when they says also after that the name of the model like ”Hyundaia Tucson” or ”Forda Kuga” etc. And at least in Nissan, they use the A even in the end of model names like ”Nissana Qashqaia”, why?
Grammar. This is a Volkswagen - to jest Volkswagen This is a Volkswagen review - to jest test Volkswagena The latter is bad for SEO, but sometimes you want to say something like "Volkswagen's competitors" which is "konkurent Volkswagena". You could go around it by saying "Volkswagen has a competitor" - " Volkswagen ma konkurenta. But that makes the title or sentence longer.
Same thing. "Konkurent Volkswagena Arteona", "Volkswagen Arteon ma konkurenta". The A is at the end of the attributive, like apostrophe S ('S) in English. But the A is added to all elements of the attributive. In general, of course, because there are some exceptions.
Drive over 90kph drains batteries quickly? So it's not for motorway trips then. Love your reviews glad to see your not falling into the trap of only reviewing high powered expensive cars as a lot reviewer's do once get established
Like all EVs city driving is what this is best for. If you want to travel long distances, you need fast chargers along the way. Taking half an hour break every 250-300 km is a good idea anyway. As for fast and expensive cars, they are not very popular in Poland, and I feel I wouldn't do them justice just street driving them. I'd have to do a proper track review, and that's a bit over my budget :)
The 58 kWh ID.3 requires 20.5 kWh/100 km when driving 130 km/h according to a german yt video. That's enough for 250 km plus 10% rest. For optimal travel speed I wouldn't drive slower as the car is very efficient and charges fast. Even with my 28 kWh Ioniq I drive 120 km/h and more, so 140 km/h might even be the better ID.3 speed when charging at HPCs is possible.
Wait, wow, why would you not use the ID3 for longer distance travelling. It pretty much has the same ranges of the Tesla model 3 SR+ and LR with the 58 and 77kWh batteries respectively,... and it is 10000EUR cheaper. I realy don’t see your point there. I test drove it and I am getting one. What concerns charging, there are 100-350kW chargers popping up all over Europe now, and the ID3 has shown very good charging characteristics.
I hear two opposing views about infrastructure (you'll find my exchange with a Briton in earlier comments under this video). One group says rapid chargers are popping up everywhere, and it's not problem to drive from one to another. And I agree with the "not a problem to drive from one to another" part. However the other group claims there aren't as many rapid chargers, as one would like to have their mind at ease. And I agree that unless I am always within a 100 km of a fast charger (while on a road trip) I will not feel comfortable travelling long distance in an EV. Even in Poland chargers along the main routes are spread 150-200 km (at best), making it a challenge to plan anything. If this particular charger is out of order, you are pretty much screwed. I had a 100 kW charger (the only one along my route) break down, and I wasted 30 km just to get to it (as it was on the opposite side of a motorway), and the rest of my journey in the Taycan was at a very moderate speed :)
I like the factual and ironic reviews of Marek. My car make still brrrruuummm.... I have one question to all e-car driver: How to teach small kids about car sound?
I'm not ready to go fully electric in Poland just yet. I don't really need another car. This was supposed to be a road trip project, but with that's not happening due to covid. TBH if i was to buy a car I need a fast suv with a large boot as my camera car.
I really enjoy your critical eye of the products you review. I think the VW ID products need more time to show their properly developed software to really get a proper understanding of how good the product will be. I'm serious looking at the ID 4 AWD because it's going to have 300hp. It's either the ID4 or the AWD Mach E.
Great review as always. I saw one in the flesh last week. I kind of expected the comparison you did with the Golf. I drove one (golf-e)some months ago and I think that if there is no real range for a long trip (in the ID 3) with a motorway speed (let alone the missing infrastructure e.g here in Greece) I guess the difference in cost between the two cars makes no sense at all. The interior quality is a let down too. Great job mate!
Thanks. I talked about this with my colleague last night, and we came to the conclusion that as a rule of thumb realistic range at motorway speed is about 2/3 of WLTP estimate, and 3/4 at 90 km/h. You are likely to achieve the claimed range in the city. With that being said viability of EVs as main/only cars depends on the the infrastructure. This car takes 100 kW, so a quick loo stop, and you've charged for 150-200 km extra.
@@MarekDrives Your points make perfect sense. You reckon that town use with full recuperation could make this car avoid having to charge at all? I mean I remember when driving the e-Golf I got it with a range of 250 km and 2 hours later I saw that the range actually went up(with strict use in town). Really appreciate your reviews Marek. BR Vangelis
Recuperation helps achieve claimed range, but it's not a perpetuum mobile :) Since city driving gives you most opportunity for recuperation, you get the best range there. The on-board computer takes into account your driving style, so range may change, as you drive. It's the same with ICE cars. I recall driving a Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 300 km on the dual carriageway, and arriving at my destination with range higher, than what I started with. I just picked the car up, so the on-board computer still remembered how the previous reviewer was driving. And they must have driven it very hard.
@@MarekDrives Yeah the range improvement thing happened to me too! I mean in normal gasoline cars. One last quesiton mate! Did you at any point experience the so often discussed new anxiety? I mean range anxiety, as if we did not have enouhg things to worry about. :) Keep up the great work Marek. Looking forward to your reviews. I understand the effort you put in these videos
@Gkoulidis not really, but whenever I review an EV, I do a bit of planning, and I know where the charging stations are, if I'm going to drive longer distance. If I'm not driving far, and the car has a big battery, I sometimes don't bother charging it throughout the week I spend with it.
the double floor is part of better trims - like the MAX and I think the TECH ;) - Software update is already done including CarPlay wireless and HUD. VW will start rolling it out through Dezember…
You say "you don't get proper recuperation". What happens when you step on the brake? I assume you get recuperation then. I personally prefer coasting without braking and start to recuperate when braking. This should also be more energy efficient since free rolling and recuperating only when necessary will always be better than constantly recuperating. I hope you actually understand how the brake pedal works for the VW electric cars.
What I like about the BMW i3 or the Nissan Leaf is that I can do one-pedal driving in them. I can turn it or off, but I'm in control of it. In city traffic this is a great tool to recoup some energy, and it helps to get the most range. In long distance driving situations this is of course unnecessary, because you want to coast as long as possible. I also understand VW wanted this car to feel as normal as possible, hence the decision to limit lift-off recuperation (apparently there is a radar-based recuperation as well, but it was either broken in this car or I haven't found it in the menu). Having driven a dozen or so EVs I prefer one-pedal driving to regular car behaviour.
If you're trying to save energy and maximise range, why on earth do they only have a black roof? Black absorbs the most heat energy - it's a basic fact of physics. (A real fact not an alternative one!) It makes little difference in winter when the sun is weak, but a big difference in summer. Black is a silly colour for any car on energy grounds, but for an electric one is just plain dumb. Mind you, we won't be getting this in Australia any time soon - a look at the VW websites for Europe vs here is like two different planets.
Get the skoda enyaq 80x instead it’s an amazing car far better in my opinion that the Id series, the shortcomings of the id3 compared to the golf counterparts seem petty and truly stupid idea, vw put the 4 switches back on the driver door, and illuminate the volume and heater switch vw at night it’s not easy to see , you end up catching the volume slider instead
Marek somehow you forgot to mention the POOR QUALITY feeling of the interiour! Nothing but cheeeeeep plastic everywhere! I was very disapointed as well as with the crapy seats! And armrests.. I cant believe that VW took a step backwards in this area. I drive an 2020 eGolf currently while waiting for my 2nd etron.. I love the eGolf and wish that they would have fitted 60kwh in this car or the Golf 8 somehow.. it would have been a great peoples car for around 40-42k..
Marek what about the interior and general quality ? German testers were appauled. I think that Auto motor und sport gave it lowest score for a modern VW in ages. What did you think ? All said I think you dodged the bullet here. If I were ynu I'd rather wait another year before buying any electric car. It will be a better time for buying and travelling.
I wouldn't say it was bad quality. I'd say it was average, Golf-like. My problem with EVs (living in Poland) is not the range, but price and infrastructure. For the soon-to-be-released ID.3 45 kWh base model I could buy a decent 1.5 Golf, and not have to worry about charging (or updating the software for that matter).
@@MarekDrives well from what I hear you wouldn't have had more luck with software in Golf either. One big problem with ID 3 that you as well as others have mentioned though is very big energy consuption which is very odd for a new generation EV. I can't help but think that this time VW is not fashionably late to the party but have showed up late, drunk and with no underpants
@@MarekDrives No worries about polluting the planet through. This car is 0 carbon in its production and far more efficient in energy use than your gas guzzling ice cars. Look forward, not backward.
@timemachine_194 well looks like a rushed job to me in which case it's better to wait a couple of years before buying it new ( kind of like Alfa :-) ). Also I read just today, that they will be fixing software issues but you'll have to visit your dealer - so forget about those promised over-the-air update. All I have to say is that if they are out-Tesla -ing the Tesla you might as well go and buy a Tesla which at least has better charger infrastructure attached to it
I never get design decisions of big companies - the main gain from extra space in the iD3 has been put into rear seats, something Golf buyers don't really need, if you're transporting 4 adults regularly you generally get a different type of car. Boot space could have been increased instead which is something useful for everyone, especially as there's no "frunk" or place to store cables.
I test drove one and it flashed “drivetrain error” and would not change into reverse until restarted. Even when it worked it was just not exciting enough to drive and the touch panel for moving the mirrors was impossible to use. Pass.
somehow I like the side and the rear designs, they reflect VW really but the front looks like toy cars; (remember that toy phone which was made like a car?) ok the car doesn't need a grill but come on these grills make the car look aggressive so why not make fake grills? they are already available in ICE cars interior with white dashboard?!! can you imagine the sun light reflection on a sunny day? I personally hate touch screens and touch buttons dunno why I have the feeling that ICE will prevail I don't want to hear the silence of electric cars
I imagine it has something to do with easy access to liquids, and meeting crash test requirements. Though I still think they could have designed it better in that area.
You are an experienced motor Journalist, yet you talk as though VW screwed up on the KERS. Has it not occurred to you that VW has put € billions into the development of this car ? Cars with very strong KERS have stability problems in slippery conditions. Also fast deceleration means acceleration is required to get back up to speed, so strong regeneration is not necessarily more efficient. You are not alone, most motor journalists are way too arrogant and would not have a clue if put into an engineering develooment team. It's a shame, really because you otherwise make very good observations and you seem to have more technical knowledge than most motor Journalists. More humility, please, after all you are talking to prospective buyers of these vehicles. Why not, for example talk about the substantial advantages of mounting the motor and drive at the rear over a front wheel drive EV, quieter, better traction, better turning circle, better steering feel, better packaging.
Thank you, and I do realise I'm talking to prospective buyers. And one thing I can tell them is to stay away from the VW ID cars. VW screwed up with the ID project period. They put billions into the development of a platform they didn't want to develop. And it seems like it was either a rush job, or they put their best ICE experts on it, because they forgot to design a frunk, for example. I noticed strong recuperation can be problematic in tricky road conditions, but it's mainly in much larger and heavier cars. What this car was missing was proper one-pedal driving, which Nissan Leaf or BMW i3 have, and somehow you don't hear about people skidding off into ditches because of it. This was an early car, and the software was less than perfect, so I can't say if the radar-based recuperation was there and/or whether it was working properly. I just got out of a BMW i4, where radar recuperation works perfect, but you can also put the car in B-mode, and then it's pretty much one-pedal driving 80% of the time. And it works.
I love your reviews! Especially your keen and critical eye. But here you missed the mark somewhat. Like you, I've been looking forward to this car pretty much since it was announced. But ID.3 is an utter disappointment!!! Sure it has a quirky and semi-modern design, that some people might either love or hate. But all of the missing and non-working features aside, its riddled with hard, cheap and nasty plastics everywhere, even in the front. Then there's the central console for cup holders between the front seats that's much more at home in the cheapest Dacia than in a premium VW. And if we look at the price, it pretty much is premium, especially considering its size. There's absolutely no reason to take an ID.3 over a Tesla model 3. For a slightly higher price, you get so much more in every aspect - design, features, range, technology, safety, performance, quality of materials and much more. Without trying to offend anyone, only an idiot - or VW enthusiast - would take this over the competition.
I have no experience with Tesla, as it is not officially available in Poland. What seems to have 'softened' my judgement as to interior quality is the Mk8 Golf. Later I've seen my reviews of the Mk7 Golf, and I realised the Mk8/ID.3 interior is not as good. Having said that, I didn't feel it was bad. I focused my disappointment on more pressing matters :) Basically I'd get a KIA e-Soul/e-Niro or Hyundai KONA EV over this any day. With an asterisk that KIA (and probably also Hyundai) guarantee only 60% of battery capacity, while others manufacturers usually guarantee 70%.
@@MarekDrives I agree completely with you - Golf mk 8 was a letdown compared to mk 7, but ID.3 was incredibly disappointing. And as you said, even Kia e-Niro is a much better proposition than ID.3. Haven't tried e-Soul or any Hyundai EV's, so I cannot compare those, but Kia and Hyundai being part of the same family, I suspect they'd be about the same. In Denmark, where I live, a top trim ID.3 with its most powerful motor (204 HP) and biggest battery pack (77 kwh) is roughly 400.000 Dkr. (€57-58.000), and there's still the option list, while a long range Tesla model 3 (350 hp, 90 kwh battery pack) is about 465.000 Dkr. (€65-66.500). An MG ZS EV fully loaded costs 250.000 Dkr. (€33.500), and feels so much more premium inside than VW ID.3, although, admittedly, it's doesn't handle nowhere near as well, but for daily driving few people would notice the difference. PS. Thanks for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it. PPS. I hope that you get the chance to drive a Tesla. And if not, you can always come to Denmark for a test drive - it's not too far from Poland - I'll gladly book the car in my name so you can take it for a spin!
4 power windows with 2 power window buttons. It ruins the car. Call me crazy but if the temperature is above 10 °C I have both driver side windows down in every car under 100 km/h.
@timemachine_194 I forgot to mention I only do this if I'm alone in the car. The Berlingo isn't a car you buy because you're alone so I guess that's fine.
If you look at the MQB shot around 0:40, or the side view in 3:12 you'll see this one also has rear drum-like brakes. In fact all have rear drum brakes. According to the press release this is to prevent rust, as rear brakes are rarely used (due to recuperation braking). "...disc brakes with a disc diameter of up to 330 millimetres are fitted at the front, while the rear wheels are equipped with drum brakes. Their great advantage is their robustness: the pads are designed for the service life of the car. And corrosion is not an issue, even though the wheel brakes are used only rarely in everyday driving."
Somehow I can't fall in love with ID.3. I'm not sure why but first thing coming to my mind is "too many bizarre solutions". Still can't understand the touch panel on the left (lamps), or common switch for front and rear windows. This car .... I feel it is more cold calculation that warm or hot emotions in it. What I like about the review is the way you did it Mr Marek :-) Professionalist - as usually. Thumb up for review, down for the car. Thanks !
Funny how emotional the rear window switch is debated - some love it others hate it - maybe it depends how often you even would use it? - I like the clean very reduced interior - one common denominator seems to be that it's a very solid built and fun to drive car but the SW is lacking - luckily there is hope as the SW can be updated :D at least there is hope :D
I own one, no problems, no bugs. Great car, quiet, comfortable, fast. Like the overall style of the car, interiour, lights, sounds. And made in europe that was important for me.
Thanks for sharing. I had to pick out bugs after the first day. Maybe I was driving too fast :)
Same here. Best car I ever owned, tbh. And I change regularly but this one should stay with me longer than usual. I had absolutely no bugs though clearly we are lucky.
@@julienlejeune2841 hows the base suspension? I want a comfy ride
Reallly enjoy your reviews and espcially appreciate the fact you do it in two languages.
Congrats ! As always ev reviews welcome and shared by us with pleasure !
Awesome, thank you!
Appreciate your efforts we need Yaris GR review
" disfunction will be delivered"( later ) - ..? 😄😃 Marek you never fail to deliver a smile on my face,
Thanks!
The ending - love it!
excellent TH-camr Bjorn Nyland likes the ID.3 pretty much, even though he is a Tesla guy. Quiet, comfortable, quick-charging, is his verdict. On one of his 1k km contests the VW fared pretty well, a bit better than Kona and the other Koreans, though not quite up there with Tesla. At a good price, it's the mid-range EV to have.
I am a first mover and just love the car. No problems whatsoever, much bigger and better interior, painting and sound proof than Model 3, and ACC and travel assist is the best among all. If you drive at 100 kms/h you can reach 400 kms (at 90, with no AC on, you can reach 450 kms).
Soundproofing in the M3 is indeed very bad. I drove the car for a weekend and was negatively surprised by the noise the car makes at 50 km/h in the city. Was even louder than radio music at normal noise level and bothered me very much.
I am a former Golf owner and now I have an ID.3 1st Max - preordered on the first day.
I disagree with you on several points - for one, it’s a perfect long distance car and after having driven some 8 hour motorway drives, it was confirmed. Check out Tesla Bjørn’s 1000km challenge and you will see the ID.3 beats most others.
The lane assist you complain about can be adjusted in the settings although many people complain about it anyway as it’s a “lane departure assist” in the ID.3 plus that you were driving not a fully functional lane assist that comes in the Max.
It’s true there are many SW bugs and the update that should fix them and add the missing functionality is not coming until early 2021 for the 1st owners. From Dec 1st, new cars will come with the update pre-installed. It’s unfortunate but it was either put up with these issues or wait to take delivery until the end of the year - as a bonus, those of us that chose to be early adopters got some incentives like free winter wheels and tires.
Oh please, you get incentives like these (or just simply money off) at any end-of-year sale. In Poland VW was offering 3 months "free" lease... for all its cars, because of covid, so it was no incentive. As much as I appreciate Tesla Bjørn's thorough reviews, he also drives in optimum conditions. In optimum conditions I drove the KIA e-Niro for 420 km, and had 40 km range left at the end of the journey. Speeding things up a bit in the e-Soul I was down to about 400, and driving "normally" it would be even less. As I said - this is a great city car, but it has the same problem as all EVs - unless you have good charging infrastructure, it is useless on longer trips. I don't mind 15-20 minutes charging break. I just mind not being able to charge :)
@@MarekDrives the "covid" incentive was no such thing. This was offered in many countries to those of us that chose to accept the ID.3 before the sw was finished. Some of us also get free service for 3 years and additional "early adopter" incentives.
I do not agree the TB drives in "optimum conditions". And of course the charging infrastructure needs to be there but that goes without saying - here in Norway, it is. :P
If I was living in Norway we would not be having this conversation. And Norway is optimum road conditions. Try driving in Poland. Or better don't :)
Got one for my wife. Nice comfortable car. Easy to drive. Rally good LED matrix headlights. No issues (it is one of the first Business versions - not the 1st model). Sjitty infotainment SW though.
I drive a Model 3 LR awd myself and I would personally choose a Model 3..... But my wife really loves it and she had the choice to get a Model SR+ instead.
A good and honest review, of a much hyped car. A good car but, flawed is where VW are at. It really should be better, and that's a shame.
Thumbs up for mentioning Erf seats! I think most doesn't know what they are :D
Marek has never ever jumped so high!!
you are just the best car reviewer, you never go by the hype and just say the truth, what doesn't mean, that the car is bad. Just not good. When I saw first time the id3 in any video I just thought "what?". We call it in german "hybridization" (maybe Hermafrodyta in polish), something between two things. It's not for this purpose great and not fot the other, and for me it's too "cheaply" wanted to be "in any case" a design peace. And this gear shifter... I don't continue, comment would be blocked by moral guardian Google.
thank you so mutch one of the best id reviews
ordered Sep 30, Base Model , so far no info whatsoever let see or see you in Norway and Portugal
Based on your and others reviews, I think electric vehicles will be an option for "average Joe" in 2030. 30K euro, for what this car can offer, is very expensive, 40k - 50k euro is an economical non-sense! By the way, I like your reviews! Good work!
Nice video 😊
I ordered ID.3 Pro S and waiting.
I've got also eUp :)
Greetings from Greece and from my Polish wife :)
I find it mindblowing that VW didn’t solve the software issues after postponing the launch due to this problem. Also the fact that the 77kWh version only sits 4 persons. And still no towing....
Btw I’m on my second e-Golf and loving it!
Not worth the hype, imo. Also, you are the first(!) journalist I have seen who points out the idiotic diamond cavitys in the bumper. Designers have never been outdoors?
As a designer once told me: "I make it look good, engineers make it work. Not my problem".
@ast5515 and that's a very bad approach.
@@MarekDrives Agreed.
@@ast5515 Those elements reduce the drag coefficient and thus, make a lot of sense on an EV.
Thanks for a great review. I will only touch upon the road-trip part, as I did one in our Tesla mid October this year. Not a pleasure cruise due to circumstances other than the pandemic, but we made an adventure out of it. Total of 3800 km return trip, 16 stops for charging, 180wh/km. Due to regulations we couldn’t sleep in a hotel, so we slept in the car. Lovely experience, but judging by your report on id1, it is definitely not the vehicle of choice for touring around the content.
It is a compact car, so I'd not recommend it for sleeping, unless you are a student, and you don't care where you sleep :)
A charging stop every 250 km is what I'd expect, but at the same time I know it adds so much time to the journey which could be done much quicker. It can be done though.
3800:16=237,5. So the Tesla is not the vehicle of choice.
@@cartmann227 Is it that simple, though?
@@NemanjaPantelic yes.
No mention of the smart regen i D mode? This is fantastic. Coasting is king when it comes to EV-driving.
I haven't noticed it. Does it work only with sat nav or also in normal driving?
@@MarekDrives from other Videos e.g Marcus - it always works - unless it's deactivated in the settings - e.g there I more regen in D mode if the car knows there are speed limits ahead or a city or…
@Bernhard Gronau I thought I scrolled throughly enough through the menus. I recall I had to activate the function of ACC that it would adapt to the traffic signs, but in normal driving I didn't notice anything like what you're describing. And yes, it would make sense. KIA e-Soul has that. Maybe it works only in Eco mode (like in the KIA)? I turned Eco mode on only once, and switched back to Comfort, because it really killed the joy of driving the ID.3.
My intuition is telling me that the Skoda Enyaq will definitely be the least frustrating of the new line of VAG EV's
teslabjorn drove the ID3 for 1000km in 10h45m, while the e-golf took 15h50m, with proper charger network
Great review. Waiting for the range to increase in these cars.
I reserved an ID.3 when it was announced, but when the time came buy it I just couldn’t part with my lovely Golf VII R-line. I will wait now until the ID.3 reaches it’s full potential and has a different bonnet without black plastic.
Hold on to that Golf. They don't make cars like that any more :(
I think this is a great hatchback. Definitely better than the e-Golf. Probably would be my 1st choice to buy now.
But as you said, if long distance trips are important, the Tesla Model 3 is just much more suitable.
Very interesting and very well explained, one of the best reviews in the last couple of months.
Exactly
true
Interior kinda looks like Citroën Cactus that wasn't low cost .. lol
That's a good comparison. If Cactus had this quality interior I'd be thrilled!
I would say it is nearer to Toyota Corolla or some Chevrolet spark....
I think it's a big leap fwd, but as a general purpose car not enough fwd. You spotted and chased manufacturer like no one else on the car reviewing planet, constructively, which is no surprise and welcome. Are you going to test the Polestar 2 one day? That I think many are waiting for. Wish u will do your journey in 2021. And a good week end :)
I hope so, though I don't expect Polestar to offer press cars in Poland any time soon.
Still more sense than Tesla for hypsters
when will you Marek test the Yaris GR ; that's a very interesting car
Don't know. I was surprised to see the Brits getting a chance for a first drive. The weather in Poland right now is not for hot hatches, so even it if appears on the press fleet, I'd wait until the spring.
Marek regen works in Comfort mode while coasting and without ACC
Great review hope you test the 500E!
As soon as it arrives on Polish press fleet, which may be well into 2021. EVs are not big sellers in Poland.
Hey Marek, can I ask that in which car brands and why put some poles an ”A” in the end of the name? I have noticed here in TH-cam that some poles says for example ”Volkswagena” or ”Hyundaia” or ”Nissana”. I have noticed that they say that even when they says also after that the name of the model like ”Hyundaia Tucson” or ”Forda Kuga” etc. And at least in Nissan, they use the A even in the end of model names like ”Nissana Qashqaia”, why?
Grammar.
This is a Volkswagen - to jest Volkswagen
This is a Volkswagen review - to jest test Volkswagena
The latter is bad for SEO, but sometimes you want to say something like "Volkswagen's competitors" which is "konkurent Volkswagena". You could go around it by saying "Volkswagen has a competitor" - " Volkswagen ma konkurenta. But that makes the title or sentence longer.
Marek Drives Okay, nice to know. And in which situations people say for example ”Nissana Qashqaia” with an ”A” also in the model name?
Same thing. "Konkurent Volkswagena Arteona", "Volkswagen Arteon ma konkurenta". The A is at the end of the attributive, like apostrophe S ('S) in English. But the A is added to all elements of the attributive. In general, of course, because there are some exceptions.
Drive over 90kph drains batteries quickly? So it's not for motorway trips then. Love your reviews glad to see your not falling into the trap of only reviewing high powered expensive cars as a lot reviewer's do once get established
Like all EVs city driving is what this is best for. If you want to travel long distances, you need fast chargers along the way. Taking half an hour break every 250-300 km is a good idea anyway.
As for fast and expensive cars, they are not very popular in Poland, and I feel I wouldn't do them justice just street driving them. I'd have to do a proper track review, and that's a bit over my budget :)
The 58 kWh ID.3 requires 20.5 kWh/100 km when driving 130 km/h according to a german yt video. That's enough for 250 km plus 10% rest. For optimal travel speed I wouldn't drive slower as the car is very efficient and charges fast. Even with my 28 kWh Ioniq I drive 120 km/h and more, so 140 km/h might even be the better ID.3 speed when charging at HPCs is possible.
Wait, wow, why would you not use the ID3 for longer distance travelling. It pretty much has the same ranges of the Tesla model 3 SR+ and LR with the 58 and 77kWh batteries respectively,... and it is 10000EUR cheaper. I realy don’t see your point there. I test drove it and I am getting one. What concerns charging, there are 100-350kW chargers popping up all over Europe now, and the ID3 has shown very good charging characteristics.
I hear two opposing views about infrastructure (you'll find my exchange with a Briton in earlier comments under this video). One group says rapid chargers are popping up everywhere, and it's not problem to drive from one to another. And I agree with the "not a problem to drive from one to another" part. However the other group claims there aren't as many rapid chargers, as one would like to have their mind at ease. And I agree that unless I am always within a 100 km of a fast charger (while on a road trip) I will not feel comfortable travelling long distance in an EV. Even in Poland chargers along the main routes are spread 150-200 km (at best), making it a challenge to plan anything. If this particular charger is out of order, you are pretty much screwed. I had a 100 kW charger (the only one along my route) break down, and I wasted 30 km just to get to it (as it was on the opposite side of a motorway), and the rest of my journey in the Taycan was at a very moderate speed :)
I don't like that weird bladder-thing on the hood. Reminds me of the Fiat Multipla. Thanks for the review, excellent as always!
Thanks for watching!
I'd have one, nice review :)
Thanks for watching! I'd wait a few months for VW to iron out the software issues. I've seem some owner videos with quirks popping up.
I totally agree Marek
I like the factual and ironic reviews of Marek. My car make still brrrruuummm.... I have one question to all e-car driver: How to teach small kids about car sound?
I would suggest playing them Woody Allen's The Sleeper :)
What’s better the ID3 or the Kia Soul EV ?
So what car did you get instead? Or are you waiting for the 2021 model?
I'm not ready to go fully electric in Poland just yet. I don't really need another car. This was supposed to be a road trip project, but with that's not happening due to covid. TBH if i was to buy a car I need a fast suv with a large boot as my camera car.
Looks good from the side and the back, that's about it concerning positives.
I really enjoy your critical eye of the products you review. I think the VW ID products need more time to show their properly developed software to really get a proper understanding of how good the product will be. I'm serious looking at the ID 4 AWD because it's going to have 300hp. It's either the ID4 or the AWD Mach E.
Yes! At the moment it's a lot of money for a product, which doesn't seem to be finished.
@@MarekDrives I think there's a big update coming in January. This will include their AR HUD system enabled as well.
BTW, I've seen a demo of AR HUD, and it's underwhelming. Kind of like what Continental has shown 6 years ago.
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Thanks
The Major Update is ready since yesterday, Nov 13 2020
Great review as always. I saw one in the flesh last week. I kind of expected the comparison you did with the Golf. I drove one (golf-e)some months ago and I think that if there is no real range for a long trip (in the ID 3) with a motorway speed (let alone the missing infrastructure e.g here in Greece) I guess the difference in cost between the two cars makes no sense at all. The interior quality is a let down too. Great job mate!
Thanks.
I talked about this with my colleague last night, and we came to the conclusion that as a rule of thumb realistic range at motorway speed is about 2/3 of WLTP estimate, and 3/4 at 90 km/h. You are likely to achieve the claimed range in the city.
With that being said viability of EVs as main/only cars depends on the the infrastructure. This car takes 100 kW, so a quick loo stop, and you've charged for 150-200 km extra.
@@MarekDrives Your points make perfect sense. You reckon that town use with full recuperation could make this car avoid having to charge at all? I mean I remember when driving the e-Golf I got it with a range of 250 km and 2 hours later I saw that the range actually went up(with strict use in town). Really appreciate your reviews Marek. BR
Vangelis
Recuperation helps achieve claimed range, but it's not a perpetuum mobile :)
Since city driving gives you most opportunity for recuperation, you get the best range there. The on-board computer takes into account your driving style, so range may change, as you drive. It's the same with ICE cars. I recall driving a Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 300 km on the dual carriageway, and arriving at my destination with range higher, than what I started with. I just picked the car up, so the on-board computer still remembered how the previous reviewer was driving. And they must have driven it very hard.
@@MarekDrives Yeah the range improvement thing happened to me too! I mean in normal gasoline cars.
One last quesiton mate! Did you at any point experience the so often discussed new anxiety? I mean range anxiety, as if we did not have enouhg things to worry about. :) Keep up the great work Marek. Looking forward to your reviews. I understand the effort you put in these videos
@Gkoulidis not really, but whenever I review an EV, I do a bit of planning, and I know where the charging stations are, if I'm going to drive longer distance. If I'm not driving far, and the car has a big battery, I sometimes don't bother charging it throughout the week I spend with it.
the double floor is part of better trims - like the MAX and I think the TECH ;) - Software update is already done including CarPlay wireless and HUD. VW will start rolling it out through Dezember…
That's great to hear.
Nice
You say "you don't get proper recuperation". What happens when you step on the brake? I assume you get recuperation then. I personally prefer coasting without braking and start to recuperate when braking. This should also be more energy efficient since free rolling and recuperating only when necessary will always be better than constantly recuperating. I hope you actually understand how the brake pedal works for the VW electric cars.
What I like about the BMW i3 or the Nissan Leaf is that I can do one-pedal driving in them. I can turn it or off, but I'm in control of it. In city traffic this is a great tool to recoup some energy, and it helps to get the most range. In long distance driving situations this is of course unnecessary, because you want to coast as long as possible.
I also understand VW wanted this car to feel as normal as possible, hence the decision to limit lift-off recuperation (apparently there is a radar-based recuperation as well, but it was either broken in this car or I haven't found it in the menu).
Having driven a dozen or so EVs I prefer one-pedal driving to regular car behaviour.
If you're trying to save energy and maximise range, why on earth do they only have a black roof? Black absorbs the most heat energy - it's a basic fact of physics. (A real fact not an alternative one!) It makes little difference in winter when the sun is weak, but a big difference in summer. Black is a silly colour for any car on energy grounds, but for an electric one is just plain dumb.
Mind you, we won't be getting this in Australia any time soon - a look at the VW websites for Europe vs here is like two different planets.
Nietypowe pytanie, ale zastanawiam się jak tak dobrze nauczyłeś się angielskiego
W ZEA.
Get the skoda enyaq 80x instead it’s an amazing car far better in my opinion that the Id series, the shortcomings of the id3 compared to the golf counterparts seem petty and truly stupid idea, vw put the 4 switches back on the driver door, and illuminate the volume and heater switch vw at night it’s not easy to see , you end up catching the volume slider instead
Still don’t understand why the areas you touch are in the white. Comes with free gloves?
I believe this is to be the platform used for the next Macan.
The new software is underway. See nextmove channel.
Marek somehow you forgot to mention the POOR QUALITY feeling of the interiour! Nothing but cheeeeeep plastic everywhere! I was very disapointed as well as with the crapy seats! And armrests..
I cant believe that VW took a step backwards in this area. I drive an 2020 eGolf currently while waiting for my 2nd etron..
I love the eGolf and wish that they would have fitted 60kwh in this car or the Golf 8 somehow.. it would have been a great peoples car for around 40-42k..
Marek what about the interior and general quality ? German testers were appauled. I think that Auto motor und sport gave it lowest score for a modern VW in ages. What did you think ?
All said I think you dodged the bullet here. If I were ynu I'd rather wait another year before buying any electric car. It will be a better time for buying and travelling.
I wouldn't say it was bad quality. I'd say it was average, Golf-like.
My problem with EVs (living in Poland) is not the range, but price and infrastructure. For the soon-to-be-released ID.3 45 kWh base model I could buy a decent 1.5 Golf, and not have to worry about charging (or updating the software for that matter).
@@MarekDrives well from what I hear you wouldn't have had more luck with software in Golf either. One big problem with ID 3 that you as well as others have mentioned though is very big energy consuption which is very odd for a new generation EV. I can't help but think that this time VW is not fashionably late to the party but have showed up late, drunk and with no underpants
@@MarekDrives No worries about polluting the planet through. This car is 0 carbon in its production and far more efficient in energy use than your gas guzzling ice cars. Look forward, not backward.
@timemachine_194 well looks like a rushed job to me in which case it's better to wait a couple of years before buying it new ( kind of like Alfa :-) ). Also I read just today, that they will be fixing software issues but you'll have to visit your dealer - so forget about those promised over-the-air update. All I have to say is that if they are out-Tesla -ing the Tesla you might as well go and buy a Tesla which at least has better charger infrastructure attached to it
I never get design decisions of big companies - the main gain from extra space in the iD3 has been put into rear seats, something Golf buyers don't really need, if you're transporting 4 adults regularly you generally get a different type of car. Boot space could have been increased instead which is something useful for everyone, especially as there's no "frunk" or place to store cables.
Maybe they're already thinking about Uber :)
I test drove one and it flashed “drivetrain error” and would not change into reverse until restarted. Even when it worked it was just not exciting enough to drive and the touch panel for moving the mirrors was impossible to use. Pass.
somehow I like the side and the rear designs, they reflect VW really
but the front looks like toy cars; (remember that toy phone which was made like a car?)
ok the car doesn't need a grill but come on these grills make the car look aggressive so why not make fake grills? they are already available in ICE cars
interior with white dashboard?!! can you imagine the sun light reflection on a sunny day?
I personally hate touch screens and touch buttons
dunno why I have the feeling that ICE will prevail
I don't want to hear the silence of electric cars
This one? www.amazon.in/FI-Chatter-Telephone-Musical-Toddlers/dp/B085Y963YT :)
@@MarekDrives yes this is what the front reminded me of
For a "TOWN" car it needs to be smaller.IMHO. :)
I don't understan why does it have a bonnet at the front but no front trunk? Then they could shorten the vehicle...
I imagine it has something to do with easy access to liquids, and meeting crash test requirements. Though I still think they could have designed it better in that area.
You are an experienced motor Journalist, yet you talk as though VW screwed up on the KERS.
Has it not occurred to you that VW has put € billions into the development of this car ?
Cars with very strong KERS have stability problems in slippery conditions.
Also fast deceleration means acceleration is required to get back up to speed, so strong regeneration is not necessarily more efficient.
You are not alone, most motor journalists are way too arrogant and would not have a clue if put into an engineering develooment team.
It's a shame, really because you otherwise make very good observations and you seem to have more technical knowledge than most motor Journalists. More humility, please, after all you are talking to prospective buyers of these vehicles.
Why not, for example talk about the substantial advantages of mounting the motor and drive at the rear over a front wheel drive EV, quieter, better traction, better turning circle, better steering feel, better packaging.
Thank you, and I do realise I'm talking to prospective buyers. And one thing I can tell them is to stay away from the VW ID cars.
VW screwed up with the ID project period.
They put billions into the development of a platform they didn't want to develop. And it seems like it was either a rush job, or they put their best ICE experts on it, because they forgot to design a frunk, for example.
I noticed strong recuperation can be problematic in tricky road conditions, but it's mainly in much larger and heavier cars. What this car was missing was proper one-pedal driving, which Nissan Leaf or BMW i3 have, and somehow you don't hear about people skidding off into ditches because of it.
This was an early car, and the software was less than perfect, so I can't say if the radar-based recuperation was there and/or whether it was working properly. I just got out of a BMW i4, where radar recuperation works perfect, but you can also put the car in B-mode, and then it's pretty much one-pedal driving 80% of the time. And it works.
For EU trip, just get a Tesla. Will outlast your bladder and/or your hunger between charges.
I love your reviews! Especially your keen and critical eye. But here you missed the mark somewhat.
Like you, I've been looking forward to this car pretty much since it was announced. But ID.3 is an utter disappointment!!!
Sure it has a quirky and semi-modern design, that some people might either love or hate.
But all of the missing and non-working features aside, its riddled with hard, cheap and nasty plastics everywhere, even in the front.
Then there's the central console for cup holders between the front seats that's much more at home in the cheapest Dacia than in a premium VW.
And if we look at the price, it pretty much is premium, especially considering its size.
There's absolutely no reason to take an ID.3 over a Tesla model 3. For a slightly higher price, you get so much more in every aspect - design, features, range, technology, safety, performance, quality of materials and much more.
Without trying to offend anyone, only an idiot - or VW enthusiast - would take this over the competition.
I have no experience with Tesla, as it is not officially available in Poland. What seems to have 'softened' my judgement as to interior quality is the Mk8 Golf. Later I've seen my reviews of the Mk7 Golf, and I realised the Mk8/ID.3 interior is not as good. Having said that, I didn't feel it was bad. I focused my disappointment on more pressing matters :)
Basically I'd get a KIA e-Soul/e-Niro or Hyundai KONA EV over this any day. With an asterisk that KIA (and probably also Hyundai) guarantee only 60% of battery capacity, while others manufacturers usually guarantee 70%.
@@MarekDrives I agree completely with you - Golf mk 8 was a letdown compared to mk 7, but ID.3 was incredibly disappointing.
And as you said, even Kia e-Niro is a much better proposition than ID.3. Haven't tried e-Soul or any Hyundai EV's, so I cannot compare those, but Kia and Hyundai being part of the same family, I suspect they'd be about the same.
In Denmark, where I live, a top trim ID.3 with its most powerful motor (204 HP) and biggest battery pack (77 kwh) is roughly 400.000 Dkr. (€57-58.000), and there's still the option list, while a long range Tesla model 3 (350 hp, 90 kwh battery pack) is about 465.000 Dkr. (€65-66.500).
An MG ZS EV fully loaded costs 250.000 Dkr. (€33.500), and feels so much more premium inside than VW ID.3, although, admittedly, it's doesn't handle nowhere near as well, but for daily driving few people would notice the difference.
PS. Thanks for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it.
PPS. I hope that you get the chance to drive a Tesla. And if not, you can always come to Denmark for a test drive - it's not too far from Poland - I'll gladly book the car in my name so you can take it for a spin!
Dlaczego filmy są po angielsku
The people who disregard the problems of the ld3 remind me of the story "The Emporers new suit of clothes",
4 power windows with 2 power window buttons. It ruins the car. Call me crazy but if the temperature is above 10 °C I have both driver side windows down in every car under 100 km/h.
@timemachine_194 I forgot to mention I only do this if I'm alone in the car. The Berlingo isn't a car you buy because you're alone so I guess that's fine.
I was a shock to see that the cheapest non 1st Edition ID3 has rear drum brakes. Come on VW let’s put safety first.
If you look at the MQB shot around 0:40, or the side view in 3:12 you'll see this one also has rear drum-like brakes. In fact all have rear drum brakes. According to the press release this is to prevent rust, as rear brakes are rarely used (due to recuperation braking).
"...disc brakes with a disc diameter of up to 330 millimetres are fitted at the front, while the rear wheels are equipped with drum brakes. Their great advantage is their robustness: the pads are designed for the service life of the car. And corrosion is not an issue, even though the wheel brakes are used only rarely in everyday driving."
@@MarekDrives Hi, Thank you for your informative and interesting reply. Great test videos. Thanks again. Best Regards, Maurice
Nice review, the car is ugly, built quality is cra... , overexpensive. This is a car that makes no sense.
🤮 YUK! wouldn't touch with a barge pole.