I remember buying an OLED with Bob and he walks out and tells me his plan to do this with his OLED and laughing about it. I thought he'd stop after one video but sure enough he is still going strong! I always will admire my friends dedication to his craft
This was an important experiment. I still haven’t bought an OLED because of this. As hitting 1 Year game time. Then the pandemic came, and wrecked my budgets.
As expected. Only static content create visible fade out. What can happen though is a color shift. But this is not as easily spotted since we're rather bad at seeing color deviations as compared to contrast.
As someone who's had the same phone for 5 years with zero burn in because it has an LCD, I'm not really that enthusiastic about OLED. Seems like a fundamental push to ensure that our devices get worse over time. Rather than just needing to replace the battery, OLED represents needing to replace the screen as well vs an LCD which has no such problem. Had an OLED screen with the Note 4, and subsequently learned about burn-in on phones, never again.
@@hmm_norah technology improves. We're getting close to the point where it basically won't happen within 5 years Soon enough it'll be 6/7/8 untill its not a problem anymore unless you're pushing it to the extremes
Screen savers aren't static images that cause burn in, they're moving images meant to save your screen from burn in. CRT displays have a bit of a warm-up time so screen savers allowed you to keep the display on without risking burn in.
Exactly.. he might be thinking of wallpaper in the background. I have a oled TV for my pc and I use screen savers that turn on after 2 minutes and the screen will shut off after 10mins. I also have live wallpapers(moving) that switch every 30minutes and I have my desktop icons and start up bar hidden so they don't burn in... I really don't want burn in lol
Man, this is a really cool experiment. I agree with you on resilience. My original switch was in my passenger seat when I got in a car accident on my way home and the only thing that happened to it was the outer shell was bent a little. Still worked great so I kept it for about a year and then sold it.
I enjoy that this boils down to "Don't be afraid to actually use your tech. It's built to be used" Because I think that's a good reminder to some folks at times. You're spending the money, enjoy it! But, It's also a good reminder about the obsolescence of devices. Which is a shame :(
yeah. most oled screens nowadays can handle pretty much stuff as long as you're not using it at 100% of brightness. my mother bought a samsung galaxy s8+ (or 9+?) in 2018 and had massive burn in after around 1 year because she cooooonstantly beefs up the brignress for no good reason. I was using the lumia 1020, one of the first oled-screen smarthones for fuckinf SEVEN years and had exactly ZERO burn in, because on average my brightness was always somewhere around 20-60%. now imagine how robust any oled panel from nowadays most probably is, especially since oled panel manufacturers are constantly optimizing not only the panels but also the pixel-refreshing-programs that basically are working while your devices are in stand-by. 😌
You can always buy spare parts to future proof as well. However depending on the device popularity, third party spare parts could be available years after official discontinuation. Look at the Game Boy Advance. New production parts, even modernization upgrades, are available for the system nearly two decades on. New production Super Nintendo, and N64 controllers can be had cheaply. Some new N64 controllers have a modern shape and button layout.
@@Midinekoofficialit will probably run on the charger but the battery will be broken or severely degrading and bulging out. Even if it’s Nintendo it’s still a massive lithium ion battery the switch uses.
I would like Nintendo to implement a battery "conservation" mode for those who predominantly use the dock. It could perhaps charge to a max of 60-80% just so the battery isn't being stressed constantly.
It’s been shown by science that it doesn’t necessarily help. It can help but it’s not guaranteed to. In a lot of cases it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter much. I have it on my laptop and I’ve never used it in my laptop. It battery is still in perfect shape and I rarely ever take it off AC power. The number one thing that’s going to wear the battery down is heat and actually using it.
Have you even watched the video? Dude left it overcharging for 1 year+ and the battery lasted 2 minutes more than his regular use switch. Your comment makes absolutely 0 sense
It makes sense that the white is where burn-in occurred. This is because basically to obtain white you are shooting light from all of the colors at that pixel, which produces the most heat, and is what usually causes burn-in.
I think these videos are good for people planning on playing their switch well beyond it’s life cycle. We don’t know if the next gen will be backwards compatibility but if it isn’t I have a pretty big back log to get through so I wouldn’t buy the next gen right away if there isn’t backwards capabilities.
Considering how poorly recent titles perform on switch (cough pokémon cough) I think the next console’s titles won’t likely be backwards compatible. And yes, I know pokémon could probably run well if it was optimized better, but I think the switch is holding back nintendo’s first party games from being what they want them to be, so it’s pretty unlikely that any big new next-gen games will be on switch in a few years.
@@EEE-ro5px oh sorry, I meant the next gen system can play switch games. I don’t think that the next gen games would be playable on the switch but I have a lot of games for the switch and don’t want to get a next gen system when I have all these yet to play games on my old one.
Considering Nintendo designed the switch to be dockable, they probably are using power pass through when charging so that it can run straight off the usb power rather than through the battery, helping to significantly preserve battery lifespan. (Unlike phones and laptops that generally always run off battery)
Yeah, there are some things they use for important servers, which you plug things into, and they act as batteries, to ensure they stay on even after the power goes out. There are two types: One which runs of the wall, only swapping to battery power once the power goes out One which is constantly charging the battery, and running off that. The first can last quite a long time, however, there's the risk of it not swapping to the battery fast enough, causing issues with the things plugged into it. The second requires it's battery to be changed quite often, but has NO down time when the power goes out. Phones tend to be like the second, since they're expected to be off the charger more than on, and it could cause issues when the user unplugs their phone. I imagine the Switch is more similar to the first, since it can be reasonably expected the user will almost exclusively use it in docked mode. It also needs a bit of time to switch anyways, since it needs to decrease the performance, and swap to using the screen, so a couple milliseconds taken to swap won't really be noticable.
This actually calms my worries about my Switch OLED and my OLED TV. Until I saw the Pokémon Scarlet/Violet Edition, I actually considered getting a used LCD Switch instead out of concern how long the screen will last, seeing that on my OLED smartphone the navbar has burned in after less than two years. That was a 2017 model, so OLEDs weren't that refined and it doesn't have the little workarounds like pixel shift. Good to see that this problem has been practically fixed now.
I still have an original pre-launch Vita and it’s perfectly fine. Honestly the battery is probably in worse shape than the screen lol! OLEDs have come along way since then. I just don’t leave it sitting on idling on the ui or something static and it should be fine nearly forever for all intents and purposes.
Your normal OLED switch may have had higher thermals in that one test because it may have more dust. If you've been running the burn-in OLED one constantly, the fans have been running and preventing dust from getting in hence the potentially thermal differences
I think it's also worth noting that the entire screen is likely a bit dimmer than his personal one. Even the areas that didn't' get "burned in" probably aren't as bright, or hot, as they were originally.
What? The fans are what literally pull the dust in. I have pc fans that run 24/7 and they never shut off , they gather alot of dust on the fan blades .
Fans will gather dust regardless if they are switched on 24/7 I have a shop fan that is on nearly 24/7 and I have to turn it off and clean it atleast once a month in fact a running fan will gather more dust turned on then off same thing with my gaming pc it's almost always on and I clean it every week.
I don't usually watch this channel, but every once in a blue moon the algorithm brings me back for these OLED Switch updates. Very interesting! Been here since the first one.
just take it to a local PC repair shop and ask them to change your thermal paste. I recommend doing so only when you get real glitches in every other game, not when you "feel like it".
Bob, u are a hero. This is not a video a person can just make at anytime. Literally takes dedication. Not that u had to do much work😂😂, but still, it’s nice to have confirmation on this that no one else can really give. Thank u.
This is a great test to show it’s not just moving elements by a couple pixels that’s helping. It’s actual hardware improvements. And even though I don’t think every device will fair as well, it’s nice to not worry about the switch.
0:41 Fun Fact: CRT screens were also susceptible to burn-in/image retention from the photons degrading the phosphor screen, which is why screen savers were invented. With the first OLED desktop monitors having hit the market last year, as well as OLED tablets and laptops starting to take off, screen savers might make a comeback soon.
Idk man my CRT monitor has been used almost daily since 2004 until 2019 with no screensaver and being on the desktop for most of the day and it still looks perfect. My old television's CRT burned out twice before seeing any burn-in. Our new television is in daily use since 1997 for at least 3 hours a day and while the image got significantly darker, there is absolutely no burn in
To my understanding (and personal use), CRT screens take a while to come up to full brightness, so you would be incentivized to leave the screen on, but a static image would noticeably burn-in, just like modern OLEDs do, so you would set a screen saver with a short timer (like 5 minutes) to save your screen and also prevent down time waiting for your CRT to warm up. OLEDs don't need any time to warm up though, so there's no incentive to leave them running for any reason. So basically you're killing your OLED screen even faster with a screen saver.
Now that you've established how difficult it is to actually burn in the screen of this model, you should now run a burn in correction video on it to see how long it takes / how hard it is / to remove the burn in. I managed to remove burn in from a laptop with about 8 hours running a rapid color/black and white/pattern switching video. Since OLED is sub-pixel based wearing, perhaps creating a negative image of the burn-in image can equally wear the rest of the pixels and make it less noticeable?
You can't actually remove burn in on OLED: the way burn in occurs is that the subpixels with usage become dimmer and dimmer with time. With prolonged static elements, some subpixels will die faster than others, and this difference in brightness is perceived as a "residual image". What you can do to mitigate this is to use certain patterns that are designed to make them wear out even faster but evenly (some tvs and monitors have this feature built in) and you might think that the problem is fixed, but in reality your screen will just be all around less bright.
How about creating a negative image of the screenshot/burn in image and leaving that on-screen for an extended period, perhaps it can wear the pixels evenly if left on equally as long.
@@xeddiustripp6398 That's what burn in "correction" features in software already do. Not sure if the switch has it, but LG TV's for example do. They're intelligent enough to also not damage the display significantly if you run that feature too often unlike a measure as proposed by you.
For anyone asking why another update on this topic...BITE ME!...I'm actually interested in this. It's good to know that Nintendo used some quality screens because all the Samsung notes I've had since the note 3 had some type of burnin screen issues which made me realize could Nintendo have issues too. Great work!
Funny because Nintendo Oled displays are from Samsung. I had slight burn in on my note 8 but never anything else. I love Oled and if there is an option for it I will take it. My lg c8 no burn in after five years, my Cx none and def none on my c2. He’ll my vita og Oled model from 2012 doesn’t even have burn in.
@@kaiichinose9590 I guess it depends who makes it. I never had issues with LG OLED tvs but I have family members with problems on Samsung OLED tvs. I also have a note 8 with some burn in issues but my wife's note 8 is a lot worse then mine.
I have a Galaxy Note 9 pretty much since release in the US about 4 years ago. I have very minimal burn in on that thing. I think it is highly based on your use case, but I have pretty much removed everything static I can. Status bar? Gone. Only have battery indicator (no percentage readout). Navigation controls? Gone, I use swipe gestures instead. My homescreen has almost been left unchanged, but that's because it doesn't matter, I'm in apps more than my home screen. No widget burn ins, no app icon burn ins. I have an older S7 Edge (before my Note 9) and it has burn in on the status indicator, but that's it. Overall my experience with Samsung hasn't been as bad, but it has taken a long time for me to get to that point. I think overall it's just a "mileage will vary" based on what you do and how you care for it. The only way to tell I have burn in is pure white and the status indicator area has a faint "dark" region (because it tends to put a transparent black bar in most cases). That's when I opted to hid out the status bar overall, so it's really not noticeable unless you were told how to look for it.
@@ChrisCarlos64 yeah my s22 ultra still no burn in I also don’t have my brightness maxed out either haven’t ever needed too. But I’m not afraid of burn in either because I buy my stuff through Best Buy and I’m a total tech member so all issues are covered and replaced if needed. But yeah not everyone is in the same boat.
I think it's great that you've done this, but in honesty, when we bought my sons OLED switch, several years after the original switch had been out with the only common complaint being joy-con drift, I honestly had no worries about it at all. It gets used primarily in docked mode, but does get used in handheld mode as well. It's been a solid device, I had a pro-controller start to drift (many man MANY hours of BOTW on it), and it was replaced under warranty, the replacement has been fine.
I’m 35 and I still have a 50 inch plasma TV I bought with my first paycheck in 2006 🤣. I mainly use it for older Gen consoles, and it works beautifully to this day.
Thanks for doing these tests. It's very interesting to see the outcome results. I suppose the only thing Nintendo really needs to fix somehow are the Joycon sticks which isn't their fault alone as the factory who makes those also does them for every other major system (PS, XB, SD, VR, you name it).
Funny you mention that. It is actually not a fault of either. it is the design to make them small like they are. my son's switch light is just now starting to have issues with the joy con's. can his switch was used before he got it. he is just very hard on things (already had to replace the screen and the chassis "the plastic casing the whole thing is made with" is cracking and falling apart) while my oled that i got from a pawn shop is not showing any signs of wear and it gets the snot played out of it. I think a lot of it to do is down to the amount of pressure applied to them during used increasing the wear. hell my 2nd gen xbox elite controller you can't even used the thumb stick buttons as they no longer work due to having "clutch grip" and mashing the little effers like mad during PVP matches. just my perspective.
@@CotyRiddle No; there are open-source fixes that completely solve the issue without any changes required to the outer shell. They just don't want to pay for a recall.
5V with 3amps is 15 W thus 0.015 kWh. 0.015 kW x 9000 hours = 135 kWh 135 kWh x 0.4 $/kWh = 54$ per year Note I used the average price after the beginning of the energy crisis, so if you have the time you can calculate it for each month It will then probably cost around the 30s per year
@@AdanFS it's not always 100% power outage. when the tablet / phone / any other device is fully charged, there are only milliwatts sent to keep it charged.
My old switch broke last week and I'm going to spend most of my christmas money to buy the OLED Switch. My parents had two concerns, and that was the burn-in on the screen (and obviously joy-con drift but thats unavoidable), so I showed them this video. They haven't said anything about their concerns since.
01:09 - little hiccup there, Screensavers are there to prevent burn in and aren’t static. Burn in on CRT was much more common. 11:26 - Except JoyCons, kinda gave up on them.
1:08 I'd like to mention that screensavers were actually created to prevent burn in, hence the name screen *saver* this is because old CRT monitors were also susceptible to burn in, they prevented this by making sure the screen is never static.
This has been a journey that I’ve been keeping up with for apparently a year now, it’s just interesting to me that people were worried about this cuz I mean, well, there’s been 4 videos about this now, and it’s very clear that burn in is not an issue even the most hardcore handheld switch players shouldn’t be worried about Great stuff Bob
What I'm learning from this is that it doesn't matter how long you use your switch... even with the amount of burn in you have in the test it's still not a big deal lmao
I remember not buying warranties for most of my life because I was always told that they're a scam, and yeah, the price is a total rip off. However, as of a few years back I began to, because my devices kept breaking right out of manufacturer coverage. Since doing so, I have cashed in the warranty on around 10 items. Not just for myself, but for gifts I bought for others. We aren't all just throwing things around either, I never drop my electronics and only use them at home. So I would say that warranties aren't always a scam necessarily, unless you mean that they make products cheaply expecting them to break so you have to buy a warranty, in which case I totally agree.
I think I'm at a point too where I'm not concerned with burn in anymore. By the time the screen starts to burn in or when a new console comes out I'll just migrate my saves, and settings and move onto the next console and watch the OLED switch become a relic on the shelf.
okay but Nintendo doesnt port their games to newer platforms unless thier really old or it has backwards compatibility or there wii u games so at some point there is gonna be a time when people want these or maybe a switch 2 which probably also will have oled screens but also the vita had some oled models and really that wasnt a hugely discussed issue who knows, maybe theyll have the switch as the platform for the future, but we dont know that
@@gamagama69 you’re dead dead wrong sir. Gameboy games work on Gameboy advance. Gameboy advance games work on Nintendo DS. GameCube games work on the Wii. Wii games work on the Wii U As long as the switch and it’s unique cartridges exists the Switch games will more than likely work on the next iteration of the switch. BET
You could always dump them & emulate on a PC, if Nintendo doesn't give a damn about preservation of their software the community that does care will make it happen 😆
That was a brilliant series, it was legitimately interesting and a great idea overall. Thanks for effectively killing my scare of OLED burn-ins. For how quickly we change these devices nowadays, I don't need to worry about burn-in anymore. Cheers!
The SWOLED is doing well with the screen burn test compared to my mom’s old Samsung TV from 2013 that has the Cartoon Network logo burnt onto the bottom right corner of the screen from me watching Cartoon Network for 3 days straight without going to sleep during my childhood XD Hell, the screen burn on it was so bad, that the logo is still visible on the screen when it’s turned OFF.
To me it was more interesting to see the battery results than the screen. I was very interested to see what would happen to the battery when plugged in for that long. Kinda positively surprised with the results
"And also, technological obsolescence has been coming quicker and quicker. So, by the time you're gonna get any burn-in on any of these cool new screens, you're probably gonna throw the device out anyway and stop using it. Which is why this isn't really that big of a deal." Ewaste overall is a pretty big deal, which is why reparability should become more paramount with manufacturers. TH-camr Louis Rossmann provides awesome insight into this matter.
I still use a 46" plasma tv after 13 years. It still gets used about 4 hours a day and the only problem is that it does a weird glitchy thing up and down the screen for about 10 seconds on startup. There is also no real distinguishable burn in. It's a Panasonic Viera.
It might be the internal resistance of the battery that’s causing the extra heat when undocked. The system doesn’t involve the battery once docked and fully charged, so overall heat output goes down. Just a guess.
I’ve personally had issues with the joycons losing general quality so I’d be interested in a video about how long a joycon lasts when being used or having buttons pressed
I honestly hugely appreciate the insight from your experiment here, and it has definitely relieved some of my concerns about the idea of going OLED overall, not just with the Switch. I've been considering a 4K TV for a while, but haven't jumped on just yet for multiple reasons. Your experiment has alleviated some of my concerns, though I will admit I do still have a few concerns, and much of them just has to do with me having much higher standards with tech endurance and lifespan than the average person. To give context of how much life I expect out of my devices, I am still using a Pixel 2 XL after 5 years, and am only just now looking at a new phone to replace the one I have that has discontinued any support for over 2 years. And when I do get a new phone, I will be expecting it to last at least 4+ years before considering a new one. I built my PC in 2016, and am still using it unupgraded 7 years later, aside from adding more RAM (planning to get a new rig this year as well). But even more ridiculous is my TV, which is a 2010 model Samsung 1080p TV. This TV is now 13 years old and I still use it as my primary TV set. This is the kind of life I expect my tech to have. I simply do not like the idea of having to buy something new every couple of years or so. I hate when phone manufacturers expect us to buy new every year or 2 years when I pay $600-$900 for the thing. My view is if I spend $500 or so on something, it needs to last, because that's quite the investment for someone who not only has bills to pay, but also wants to save money for a financially well off future. That's not to say I don't like new tech, I adore new tech. I just expect that tech to last for years, and even with this experiment, I cannot help but feel an OLED TV has no chance of lasting as long as my Samsung has. Especially with how I treat this Samsung. My TV is almost never off, it always has something running on it, and plenty of it is things like ambient fireplaces, Skyrim backdrops on TH-cam, or just sitting on my Roku home screen. I cannot help but feel that type of use over a few years would absolutely result in some kind of burn in that would make me have to buy a TV sooner than I would have preferred. It's the reason why I have considered QLED instead of OLED, QLED just feels like it's guaranteed to have a longer life due to not being anywhere close to as sensitive to burn in as OLED, even if OLED burn in is highly unlikely. QLED just seems like the solution that eliminates the issue completely, and assures you a longer screen life. Basically exchanging a tiny amount of risk for no risk at all. But that's just me, and my mind may end up changing. I am absolutely open to different takes and opinions on the matter, and am absolutely open to having my mind changed. Still, your experiment has me at least feeling better about the idea of going OLED, albeit still leaving me with lifespan concerns considering the history of my TV and how I've used it.
I use my C9 OLED as a monitor, primarily for games, but it’s holding up just fine with around 5000 hours on it. I got rid of desktop icons, auto hide task bar, black background. Works great.
Thank you For gods same people. You have a really really good system here. Stop worrying for things that MIGHT happens in the future, where you yourself, may not be even here! And just start playing the awesome library of games this beautiful console provides. I always say, it's easy creating a big bulky blue ray player that hooks to your TV and a Bluetooth controller, aka all other consoles. But it's not easy creating something that can be used in handheld mode TOO. It's has to have a very good screen size, very good battery very light weight and so on. I mean, which other company has to worry about screen of their console? None of them. Nintendo Switch is awesome and for me, even it doesn't run anything, it's still a win because if Mario Odyssey. Enjoy your console. It's awesome. Don't worry about a damn thing other than your backlog 👍 Edit: SteanDeck is new.ooks very good. But still relatively new. I like it a lot. We'll see though.
Honestly doesn't shock me, the main things that degrade battery life are charge cycles and heat. A charge cycle is the battery charging from 0-100 or any amount equaling 0-100. Like if you were to start playing at 100% battery and get to 50% and then charge it up fully, that would be half a cycle. Since the plugged in one never fully cycled it barely degraded. Also probably why his mostly docked personal oled switch lasted almost as long
Trying to look at the burn in on my extraordinarily burned in note 9 is kinda funny. On the zoomed in side by side i couldnt tell where one stopped and the other began.
Many OLED screens don’t use RGB stripes like an lcd. They use patterns where there’s more of green than blue/red cause it degrades the fastest, and bigger blue sub pixels. Hence the burn in has sometimes unexpected results.
The first video of this series is actually the reason why I bought an OLED instead of the V2. Happy with the Switch, it’s the first console that I’ve able to buy using my own money 🤣
@@Alcoholic_Nerd I was thinking of saving money at first because I wanted to spend the extra money on a controller and few extra games. But I decided to go with an OLED because I also discovered people reselling their games.
@@EvanPavon212 That's why I buy mostly physical, I own them forever and can do what I choose with them. Currently own just over 200 physical switch games which can be sold, traded, whatever. "buying" digital games is really just renting them.
For your thermal anomaly at the end i think the difference came mostly form the fact the test one is on a metal support while the control one is on a plastic support. Metal will conduct and dissipate heat faster than plastic, helping the test one to stay cooler. + it was on the border on the furniture, so it has more air space/flow to take that heat away. And your control one which is the one you use for yourself might have more apps with some that keep running on background, so more cpu usage so more heat produced. So hard to conclude but we can still say that the test switch keep working well after all that time. Thank you for such endurance testing.
What I've noticed with my OG switch is I leave it on constantly in sleep mode it might be weeks before I touch it sometimes. I've noticed it drains a little quicker but not by much.
I have a Splatoon special edition OLED, I wasn't really worried about burn in since I regularly play Splatoon 3 and more action paced games that constantly have everything moving throughout the entire screen (besides the UI). So I just kinda felt like burn in was difficult to even try to get.
I don't know what supernatural entity Nintendo made a deal with to achieve this, but all their hardware is remarkably enduring. I picked up my 3DS the other day which had been completely untouched for over Pokemon Ultra Sun turned a year old, and it ran for 2.5 hours before the battery light changed from blue to red!
And now the new switch is dead after a few days of pulling it off the charger. =/ I never play it and it's never charged when I do want to play it despite having charged it "recently".
So cool! Really interesting to see how robust the switch is. I got mine at launch and only the other day did I buy a new set of joycons because the left drift was finally after effecting my controller, which I know is repairable. Otherwise it has worked perfectly all the way along- fantastic machine 😁
If I had to guess external temps may be lower if the thermal compound has broken down and is transfering less heat to the external case. That said without having initial temps its kinda hard to say you may have just had a unit that had a better binned unit to start.
I doubt chip binning on things like these has much effect at all these days, except in very specific kinda edge cases which are not commodity level appliance things like the Switch is.
The only problem switch oled has is called green tint issue, you guys should talk about this problem. Nice video. 11:30 it is a weak screen, because it has an issue call green tint.
This could be a faulty process of the QA or a different screen from another manufacturer. I'm not sure who they get their screens from, but the 3DS had two very different screens. An IPS screen that was much brighter and more sought after than the TN panels of other ones. I have no green tint issues on my Switch OLED personally, but I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I had a Green Tint issue with my Samsung Tab S7+ but you can calibrate the color on that screen at least, so it'd be nice if Nintendo could allow optional controls for controlling the RBG levels.
@@Poefred bro, you know how many people have said the same thing and then I show them how to know if their screen has the problem or not and most of them for not saying all of them has the issue. I bet yours has the issue you only need to play a grey scale oled video and watch the video in a dark room and you will see the issue. Most people that say they don't have the issue is because they either don't notice or they just don't want to talk about it which in my opinion I don't understand.
I think it would be nice to re-normalize screen-saver options on devices if someone just wants to play it safe. Plus, they can serve as a cool-looking way to flex display technology.
My previous work laptop battery died very early as I left it plugged in basically for two years as a desktop machine. There was a BIOS update later on that allowed for the system to be aware of the intended use and charging scenarios that I used with a replacement battery, and that helped. Hopefully the switch is smart enough in the charging logic.
How do you know that's what killed the battery? It could have been a power surge, or the heat caused by you having the screen down and it tucked away with bad ventilation and the heat wore it out. Lithium batteries like being at 100% all the time.
generally in laptops it is not really the charging that kills it it is the heat. the switch (all the models) the battery is not right next to the cpu and so the battery it's self don't get to much heat. leaving it plugged in will casue elevated temps but only during charging you got the power ic (the little chip that is responsible for controlling the charging and distributing power to everything annnnnnddd apparently the usb c port all together tend to get pretty warm to as does the cpu as it is allowed to ramp up to higher clock speeds for longer periods of time especially while docked. the battery don't generate any real heat but does get warm while Charging. It's quite funny though as most cell phones will complain about the battery being to hot while in fact it is not really the battery that's hot but the cpu.
I legit think that if u played a screen unburning video on it for a few hours it might even fix a lot of those issues still. Oleds tend to come back if u let the pixels relax or it can look normal again if you even put the burn in. This truly doesn’t seem to be an issue
I think people were concerned about it because of the the flimsy stand of the original and the ongoing joystick problems. I myself wasn’t familiar with OLED so I was worried when I heard about burn in a week after having my Switch.
Nintendo products are beasts. I still have and use regularly my original switch from when it was first released and the only issue is that it doesn’t dock (it just freezes on a black screen) which was a product issue that I think has been fixed since. My WiiU wasn’t used for a few years but when I finally set it back up and turned it on, everything worked perfectly. My 3ds and gba sp also work perfectly!
thank you! I just unboxed my OLED switch a week or so ago and I was getting worried about playing it while charging but this video helps rest easy 😄 I also didn't get the warranty hehe
i use an oled tv as a computer monitor. it has just around 5500 hours of panel use right now, and it's perfectly uniform, zero signs of burn-in. as long as you don't put your oled screen to flashbang you 24/7, it'll outlast its usefulness. (mine is at 35% brightness like 95% of the time, the rest at 100% brightness). these static image tests are cool and all, but they probably do more harm than good, because people will jump to conclusions before realizing the super unrealistic test conditions do not apply to real world use at all. still, if you actually to and think about what you're seeing, these are really cool to see.
Y'know when you mentioned Nintendo putting out some pretty resilient products made me think back to the countless amount of times I remember my Wii remote viciously slamming against the floor and or wall. Always worked, never broke- just had to throw the batteries back in if anything. Thank you for reminding me of my childhood 🤣
0:42 “nobody uses plasma screens anymore” *me looking across the room straight towards my plasma tv with hella lines on the top and bottom of the screen* 😂😂
Musician here. Your tone of voice always reminds me of, "THE SCALLOPS!!!" from Big Mouth (Netflix) just thought I'd mention that for fun. Listen to it and do an impression lol
The footage ingest computer in my high school's TV studio was so old, the CRT had the old Adobe Rendering window literally blackened into the glass of the screen. You could see it when the screen was OFF. This was before "Creative Suite", cameras couldn't easily record high bitrate footage onto SD cards, so we had to digitize the tapes and then render out the footage onto the server for the lab. It could take this machine 45 minutes to render out 10 minutes of raw standard def footage, so imagine a class of kids rendering on this thing almost constantly.
What are the odds I just recently watched the video where you started this experiment. I was looking into the OLED because I’m getting it for Christmas.
I used to play a game on my phone before bed every night and would frequently fall asleep with it on. The UI got burned in and I was so confused, because I hadn't seen screen burn since the CRT monitors back in school.
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I remember buying an OLED with Bob and he walks out and tells me his plan to do this with his OLED and laughing about it. I thought he'd stop after one video but sure enough he is still going strong! I always will admire my friends dedication to his craft
Hey! It's the second host of the Nontendo Podcast!
This was an important experiment. I still haven’t bought an OLED because of this. As hitting 1 Year game time. Then the pandemic came, and wrecked my budgets.
Everything's coming up SKOOTS!
@@brutalhonesty07 I'm waiting for a possible announcement of another stronger version.
@@ithydoodles same. I only pickup bundles with Mario kart 8 as gifts for those I know who own no switch cuz of poverty.
I refuse to believe it’s been a year. Shit, time flies
this thumbnail hit different
I haven't even processed 2019 and this guy has a switch experiment running for a year.. IN 2022
Yeah it seriously doesn't feel like it.
I think the government hides the fact that time just go faster each year. No way it's been 5+ years since I bought my OG Switch. It's at max 3 years.
You should, because it hasn't.
It's been a year and 50 days 😋
A year of stress testing and it barely looks worse than the keyboard burn in on my 3+ years old phone. Yeah I think its gonna be fine.
As expected. Only static content create visible fade out. What can happen though is a color shift. But this is not as easily spotted since we're rather bad at seeing color deviations as compared to contrast.
@@SweBeach2023 its all been a static element, but actually oled tech uses pixel shift so it basically doubles how long it takes to burn in
As someone who's had the same phone for 5 years with zero burn in because it has an LCD, I'm not really that enthusiastic about OLED.
Seems like a fundamental push to ensure that our devices get worse over time. Rather than just needing to replace the battery, OLED represents needing to replace the screen as well vs an LCD which has no such problem.
Had an OLED screen with the Note 4, and subsequently learned about burn-in on phones, never again.
@@hmm_norah technology improves.
We're getting close to the point where it basically won't happen within 5 years
Soon enough it'll be 6/7/8 untill its not a problem anymore unless you're pushing it to the extremes
@@hmm_norah burn-in is no longer a regular occurrence in cell phones, especially AMOLEDs.
Screen savers aren't static images that cause burn in, they're moving images meant to save your screen from burn in. CRT displays have a bit of a warm-up time so screen savers allowed you to keep the display on without risking burn in.
Exactly.. he might be thinking of wallpaper in the background. I have a oled TV for my pc and I use screen savers that turn on after 2 minutes and the screen will shut off after 10mins. I also have live wallpapers(moving) that switch every 30minutes and I have my desktop icons and start up bar hidden so they don't burn in... I really don't want burn in lol
Smell my butt
Yeah they’re literally called SCREEN SAVERS they save ur screen by moving
Man, this is a really cool experiment.
I agree with you on resilience. My original switch was in my passenger seat when I got in a car accident on my way home and the only thing that happened to it was the outer shell was bent a little.
Still worked great so I kept it for about a year and then sold it.
I enjoy that this boils down to "Don't be afraid to actually use your tech. It's built to be used" Because I think that's a good reminder to some folks at times. You're spending the money, enjoy it!
But, It's also a good reminder about the obsolescence of devices. Which is a shame :(
You mean I can unbox my new Switch?
@@waluigi43 It's a lot better than to let it rot on a shelf forever unopened.
yeah. most oled screens nowadays can handle pretty much stuff as long as you're not using it at 100% of brightness.
my mother bought a samsung galaxy s8+ (or 9+?) in 2018 and had massive burn in after around 1 year because she cooooonstantly beefs up the brignress for no good reason.
I was using the lumia 1020, one of the first oled-screen smarthones for fuckinf SEVEN years and had exactly ZERO burn in, because on average my brightness was always somewhere around 20-60%.
now imagine how robust any oled panel from nowadays most probably is, especially since oled panel manufacturers are constantly optimizing not only the panels but also the pixel-refreshing-programs that basically are working while your devices are in stand-by. 😌
You can always buy spare parts to future proof as well. However depending on the device popularity, third party spare parts could be available years after official discontinuation. Look at the Game Boy Advance. New production parts, even modernization upgrades, are available for the system nearly two decades on. New production Super Nintendo, and N64 controllers can be had cheaply. Some new N64 controllers have a modern shape and button layout.
Didn’t even know things could burn in lol.
Can't wait for the 10 year update.
@@Midinekoofficial Thanks, you made me laugh a lot here!
@@Midinekoofficial I truly wish they used nintendium for thr joycons as well
@@RennKurusunintendium make me have drifty consus
@@Midinekoofficialit will probably run on the charger but the battery will be broken or severely degrading and bulging out. Even if it’s Nintendo it’s still a massive lithium ion battery the switch uses.
@@RennKurusu this made me laugh as well lol
I would like Nintendo to implement a battery "conservation" mode for those who predominantly use the dock. It could perhaps charge to a max of 60-80% just so the battery isn't being stressed constantly.
Superfluos.
The battery is dead simple to replace...
@@repeekyraidcero that's not the point.
It’s been shown by science that it doesn’t necessarily help. It can help but it’s not guaranteed to. In a lot of cases it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter much. I have it on my laptop and I’ve never used it in my laptop. It battery is still in perfect shape and I rarely ever take it off AC power. The number one thing that’s going to wear the battery down is heat and actually using it.
@@kimoota-kun and the battery is a pain in the ass to replace unlike the 3DS
Have you even watched the video? Dude left it overcharging for 1 year+ and the battery lasted 2 minutes more than his regular use switch. Your comment makes absolutely 0 sense
This screen burn in saga is something I never expected to be so captivated by, great work homie.
It makes sense that the white is where burn-in occurred. This is because basically to obtain white you are shooting light from all of the colors at that pixel, which produces the most heat, and is what usually causes burn-in.
I think these videos are good for people planning on playing their switch well beyond it’s life cycle. We don’t know if the next gen will be backwards compatibility but if it isn’t I have a pretty big back log to get through so I wouldn’t buy the next gen right away if there isn’t backwards capabilities.
Considering how poorly recent titles perform on switch (cough pokémon cough) I think the next console’s titles won’t likely be backwards compatible. And yes, I know pokémon could probably run well if it was optimized better, but I think the switch is holding back nintendo’s first party games from being what they want them to be, so it’s pretty unlikely that any big new next-gen games will be on switch in a few years.
@@EEE-ro5px that's not backwards compatible
backwards compatible means that current switch games would be playable on next-gen system
@@EEE-ro5px Pokemon is poorly optimised, nothing to do with hardware.
@@EEE-ro5px oh sorry, I meant the next gen system can play switch games. I don’t think that the next gen games would be playable on the switch but I have a lot of games for the switch and don’t want to get a next gen system when I have all these yet to play games on my old one.
I'm at 100 backlog. And I'd be upset if next Gen didn't do backward. But yes I'd be out for a while as I just got a steam deck also.
Considering Nintendo designed the switch to be dockable, they probably are using power pass through when charging so that it can run straight off the usb power rather than through the battery, helping to significantly preserve battery lifespan. (Unlike phones and laptops that generally always run off battery)
Yeah, there are some things they use for important servers, which you plug things into, and they act as batteries, to ensure they stay on even after the power goes out.
There are two types: One which runs of the wall, only swapping to battery power once the power goes out
One which is constantly charging the battery, and running off that.
The first can last quite a long time, however, there's the risk of it not swapping to the battery fast enough, causing issues with the things plugged into it.
The second requires it's battery to be changed quite often, but has NO down time when the power goes out.
Phones tend to be like the second, since they're expected to be off the charger more than on, and it could cause issues when the user unplugs their phone.
I imagine the Switch is more similar to the first, since it can be reasonably expected the user will almost exclusively use it in docked mode.
It also needs a bit of time to switch anyways, since it needs to decrease the performance, and swap to using the screen, so a couple milliseconds taken to swap won't really be noticable.
This actually calms my worries about my Switch OLED and my OLED TV. Until I saw the Pokémon Scarlet/Violet Edition, I actually considered getting a used LCD Switch instead out of concern how long the screen will last, seeing that on my OLED smartphone the navbar has burned in after less than two years. That was a 2017 model, so OLEDs weren't that refined and it doesn't have the little workarounds like pixel shift. Good to see that this problem has been practically fixed now.
I love how this video was made, I've been watching this video for 3 minutes and it felt like a full video
This OLED switch has accomplished more than I have the past year.
Me too. But I'm probably worst than you coz I've done NOTHING this past year
The PSVITA was one of the first handheld devices with OLED, and mine has some burn in. Decades later OLED screens are a lot more resilient
Good to know. I was thinking of finding a Vita and maybe I’ll go for the Non-OLED version. Thank you.
The vita and oled switch are not DECADES apart....
@@johnmecca9008 again the burn is mild, I only see it on black loading screens
I still have an original pre-launch Vita and it’s perfectly fine. Honestly the battery is probably in worse shape than the screen lol! OLEDs have come along way since then. I just don’t leave it sitting on idling on the ui or something static and it should be fine nearly forever for all intents and purposes.
"Decades" lol
Your normal OLED switch may have had higher thermals in that one test because it may have more dust. If you've been running the burn-in OLED one constantly, the fans have been running and preventing dust from getting in hence the potentially thermal differences
I think it's also worth noting that the entire screen is likely a bit dimmer than his personal one. Even the areas that didn't' get "burned in" probably aren't as bright, or hot, as they were originally.
And he doesn't use the same joy cons so maybe the burned Oled's ones spend less battery
What? The fans are what literally pull the dust in. I have pc fans that run 24/7 and they never shut off , they gather alot of dust on the fan blades .
Fans will gather dust regardless if they are switched on 24/7 I have a shop fan that is on nearly 24/7 and I have to turn it off and clean it atleast once a month in fact a running fan will gather more dust turned on then off same thing with my gaming pc it's almost always on and I clean it every week.
@@Rowan94 bro if you gotta clean your pc every week I think it’s more like you gotta clean your house. No way it should be that dusty after a week 😂
OMG @3:08, your surf-shark "ad" is by far my favorite so far, you actually made me watch it.
I don't usually watch this channel, but every once in a blue moon the algorithm brings me back for these OLED Switch updates. Very interesting! Been here since the first one.
The always on Switch likely started running hotter due to thermal pads/paste starting to dry out and become less effective.
Also I would expect it to have way more dust accumulated on the inside than a normally used switch.
the paste they use on the switches is terrible from the get go anyway.
@@marcusmorris5562 A fittingly terrible paste for a terrible processor.
just take it to a local PC repair shop and ask them to change your thermal paste. I recommend doing so only when you get real glitches in every other game, not when you "feel like it".
thats not the fucking point dude
Bob, u are a hero. This is not a video a person can just make at anytime. Literally takes dedication. Not that u had to do much work😂😂, but still, it’s nice to have confirmation on this that no one else can really give. Thank u.
This is a great test to show it’s not just moving elements by a couple pixels that’s helping. It’s actual hardware improvements. And even though I don’t think every device will fair as well, it’s nice to not worry about the switch.
0:41 Fun Fact: CRT screens were also susceptible to burn-in/image retention from the photons degrading the phosphor screen, which is why screen savers were invented.
With the first OLED desktop monitors having hit the market last year, as well as OLED tablets and laptops starting to take off, screen savers might make a comeback soon.
Idk man my CRT monitor has been used almost daily since 2004 until 2019 with no screensaver and being on the desktop for most of the day and it still looks perfect. My old television's CRT burned out twice before seeing any burn-in. Our new television is in daily use since 1997 for at least 3 hours a day and while the image got significantly darker, there is absolutely no burn in
Isn't it safer for oled to just have a black screen
To my understanding (and personal use), CRT screens take a while to come up to full brightness, so you would be incentivized to leave the screen on, but a static image would noticeably burn-in, just like modern OLEDs do, so you would set a screen saver with a short timer (like 5 minutes) to save your screen and also prevent down time waiting for your CRT to warm up. OLEDs don't need any time to warm up though, so there's no incentive to leave them running for any reason. So basically you're killing your OLED screen even faster with a screen saver.
Thanks for taking one for the team
Now that you've established how difficult it is to actually burn in the screen of this model, you should now run a burn in correction video on it to see how long it takes / how hard it is / to remove the burn in. I managed to remove burn in from a laptop with about 8 hours running a rapid color/black and white/pattern switching video. Since OLED is sub-pixel based wearing, perhaps creating a negative image of the burn-in image can equally wear the rest of the pixels and make it less noticeable?
You can't actually remove burn in on OLED: the way burn in occurs is that the subpixels with usage become dimmer and dimmer with time. With prolonged static elements, some subpixels will die faster than others, and this difference in brightness is perceived as a "residual image".
What you can do to mitigate this is to use certain patterns that are designed to make them wear out even faster but evenly (some tvs and monitors have this feature built in) and you might think that the problem is fixed, but in reality your screen will just be all around less bright.
@@lucafraga95 Less bright but even is still better than burnt in
those only work for LCD image retention not OLED
How about creating a negative image of the screenshot/burn in image and leaving that on-screen for an extended period, perhaps it can wear the pixels evenly if left on equally as long.
@@xeddiustripp6398 That's what burn in "correction" features in software already do. Not sure if the switch has it, but LG TV's for example do. They're intelligent enough to also not damage the display significantly if you run that feature too often unlike a measure as proposed by you.
For anyone asking why another update on this topic...BITE ME!...I'm actually interested in this. It's good to know that Nintendo used some quality screens because all the Samsung notes I've had since the note 3 had some type of burnin screen issues which made me realize could Nintendo have issues too. Great work!
Yeah, if you look on ebay you can find even some s22 have burn in already
Funny because Nintendo Oled displays are from Samsung. I had slight burn in on my note 8 but never anything else. I love Oled and if there is an option for it I will take it. My lg c8 no burn in after five years, my Cx none and def none on my c2. He’ll my vita og Oled model from 2012 doesn’t even have burn in.
@@kaiichinose9590 I guess it depends who makes it. I never had issues with LG OLED tvs but I have family members with problems on Samsung OLED tvs. I also have a note 8 with some burn in issues but my wife's note 8 is a lot worse then mine.
I have a Galaxy Note 9 pretty much since release in the US about 4 years ago. I have very minimal burn in on that thing. I think it is highly based on your use case, but I have pretty much removed everything static I can. Status bar? Gone. Only have battery indicator (no percentage readout). Navigation controls? Gone, I use swipe gestures instead. My homescreen has almost been left unchanged, but that's because it doesn't matter, I'm in apps more than my home screen. No widget burn ins, no app icon burn ins.
I have an older S7 Edge (before my Note 9) and it has burn in on the status indicator, but that's it. Overall my experience with Samsung hasn't been as bad, but it has taken a long time for me to get to that point. I think overall it's just a "mileage will vary" based on what you do and how you care for it. The only way to tell I have burn in is pure white and the status indicator area has a faint "dark" region (because it tends to put a transparent black bar in most cases). That's when I opted to hid out the status bar overall, so it's really not noticeable unless you were told how to look for it.
@@ChrisCarlos64 yeah my s22 ultra still no burn in I also don’t have my brightness maxed out either haven’t ever needed too. But I’m not afraid of burn in either because I buy my stuff through Best Buy and I’m a total tech member so all issues are covered and replaced if needed. But yeah not everyone is in the same boat.
You need to do a ten year test. Make it happen. Also interested to know if it stays Joycon drift free.
Well since the switch is just standing still and no one is actually moving the joycons, the joycons would stay the same even after 10 years😊
@@Virang807 you never know
@@Virang807 he probably disconnected joycons to prevent a camera from moving in-game
@@Cobalon We do know, the whole problem is the graphite rubbing off creating dust which causes drift. If no one uses it nothing can rub off, derp.
I think the thermal pastes/pads would need replacements and the switch Will need to be cleaned up as well becouse cumulative dust
11:30 you know what else would sound out of character according to this logic? I doubt I even have to say it, it already drifted across your mind.
Bruh it took nearly 6 entire minutes to show the new damage after being on this entire time. Goddamn
I think it's great that you've done this, but in honesty, when we bought my sons OLED switch, several years after the original switch had been out with the only common complaint being joy-con drift, I honestly had no worries about it at all. It gets used primarily in docked mode, but does get used in handheld mode as well. It's been a solid device, I had a pro-controller start to drift (many man MANY hours of BOTW on it), and it was replaced under warranty, the replacement has been fine.
@textmerightnowontelegrampl3514 Con man!
I’m 35 and I still have a 50 inch plasma TV I bought with my first paycheck in 2006 🤣. I mainly use it for older Gen consoles, and it works beautifully to this day.
Thanks for doing these tests.
It's very interesting to see the outcome results.
I suppose the only thing Nintendo really needs to fix somehow are the Joycon sticks which isn't their fault alone as the factory who makes those also does them for every other major system (PS, XB, SD, VR, you name it).
Also,, they repair drifted Joy-Cons for free anyway, so it really isn't an issue unless you really can't wait that one week.
@@RGC_animation sadly free joycon fix only happened in NA
Funny you mention that. It is actually not a fault of either. it is the design to make them small like they are. my son's switch light is just now starting to have issues with the joy con's. can his switch was used before he got it. he is just very hard on things (already had to replace the screen and the chassis "the plastic casing the whole thing is made with" is cracking and falling apart) while my oled that i got from a pawn shop is not showing any signs of wear and it gets the snot played out of it. I think a lot of it to do is down to the amount of pressure applied to them during used increasing the wear. hell my 2nd gen xbox elite controller you can't even used the thumb stick buttons as they no longer work due to having "clutch grip" and mashing the little effers like mad during PVP matches. just my perspective.
@@CotyRiddle No; there are open-source fixes that completely solve the issue without any changes required to the outer shell. They just don't want to pay for a recall.
Really they need to just switch to a hall effect based joystick. Yes they're more expensive but they don't break like stock sticks.
That was one of the best ad segments I’ve seen in a long time
8:09 Scrub doesn't turn off his Switch when he's not gonna use it while in it's case. 🙃
Now that’s Dedication 😅
not really
That ain’t doing shit to the electric bill
The power draw is somewhere around 18W while not in a dock. I think the power bill hit is probably $2 a month (assuming $0.16 per kWh)
5V with 3amps is 15 W thus 0.015 kWh.
0.015 kW x 9000 hours = 135 kWh
135 kWh x 0.4 $/kWh = 54$ per year
Note I used the average price after the beginning of the energy crisis, so if you have the time you can calculate it for each month
It will then probably cost around the 30s per year
@@AdanFS it's not always 100% power outage. when the tablet / phone / any other device is fully charged, there are only milliwatts sent to keep it charged.
My old switch broke last week and I'm going to spend most of my christmas money to buy the OLED Switch. My parents had two concerns, and that was the burn-in on the screen (and obviously joy-con drift but thats unavoidable), so I showed them this video. They haven't said anything about their concerns since.
01:09 - little hiccup there, Screensavers are there to prevent burn in and aren’t static. Burn in on CRT was much more common.
11:26 - Except JoyCons, kinda gave up on them.
Yea, if burn in never existed, screensavers wouldn’t aswell
My Switch has Belén in the Dock in Sleep MODE for 5 years in a Row. Everything fine. No issues whatsoever. Great video man. Cheers
1:08 I'd like to mention that screensavers were actually created to prevent burn in, hence the name screen *saver*
this is because old CRT monitors were also susceptible to burn in, they prevented this by making sure the screen is never static.
love the honesty when it comes to how you collected the data
This has been a journey that I’ve been keeping up with for apparently a year now, it’s just interesting to me that people were worried about this cuz I mean, well, there’s been 4 videos about this now, and it’s very clear that burn in is not an issue even the most hardcore handheld switch players shouldn’t be worried about
Great stuff Bob
What I'm learning from this is that it doesn't matter how long you use your switch... even with the amount of burn in you have in the test it's still not a big deal lmao
Yep
Never watched a video of yours before, but I was pleasantly surprised by the way you talk and present things, and the humor! :)
I remember not buying warranties for most of my life because I was always told that they're a scam, and yeah, the price is a total rip off. However, as of a few years back I began to, because my devices kept breaking right out of manufacturer coverage. Since doing so, I have cashed in the warranty on around 10 items. Not just for myself, but for gifts I bought for others. We aren't all just throwing things around either, I never drop my electronics and only use them at home. So I would say that warranties aren't always a scam necessarily, unless you mean that they make products cheaply expecting them to break so you have to buy a warranty, in which case I totally agree.
I think I'm at a point too where I'm not concerned with burn in anymore. By the time the screen starts to burn in or when a new console comes out I'll just migrate my saves, and settings and move onto the next console and watch the OLED switch become a relic on the shelf.
okay but Nintendo doesnt port their games to newer platforms unless thier really old or it has backwards compatibility or there wii u games so at some point there is gonna be a time when people want these or maybe a switch 2 which probably also will have oled screens
but also the vita had some oled models and really that wasnt a hugely discussed issue
who knows, maybe theyll have the switch as the platform for the future, but we dont know that
@@gamagama69 you’re dead dead wrong sir.
Gameboy games work on Gameboy advance.
Gameboy advance games work on Nintendo DS.
GameCube games work on the Wii.
Wii games work on the Wii U
As long as the switch and it’s unique cartridges exists the Switch games will more than likely work on the next iteration of the switch.
BET
@@RyanRakowski we dont know dude. probably but like Nintendo consoles people still want
You could always dump them & emulate on a PC, if Nintendo doesn't give a damn about preservation of their software the community that does care will make it happen 😆
@@gamagama69 yeah and also the switch is capable of being used as a actual home console and portable so yeah the screen dies and you can still play it
That was a brilliant series, it was legitimately interesting and a great idea overall. Thanks for effectively killing my scare of OLED burn-ins. For how quickly we change these devices nowadays, I don't need to worry about burn-in anymore. Cheers!
The SWOLED is doing well with the screen burn test compared to my mom’s old Samsung TV from 2013 that has the Cartoon Network logo burnt onto the bottom right corner of the screen from me watching Cartoon Network for 3 days straight without going to sleep during my childhood XD
Hell, the screen burn on it was so bad, that the logo is still visible on the screen when it’s turned OFF.
I can't imagine how you managed to explain that to your mom 💀💀
Wouldn't that logo disappear during commercials, [adult swim], and Cartoonito?
@@Awesome_Dawson_Films_Official ^^ that’s what I thought!
@@Awesome_Dawson_Films_Official Cartoonito didn’t exist back then so that helped the Cartoon Network logo burn into the screen more
Wait what kind of display panel does your samsung TV use?
To me it was more interesting to see the battery results than the screen. I was very interested to see what would happen to the battery when plugged in for that long. Kinda positively surprised with the results
"And also, technological obsolescence has been coming quicker and quicker. So, by the time you're gonna get any burn-in on any of these cool new screens, you're probably gonna throw the device out anyway and stop using it. Which is why this isn't really that big of a deal."
Ewaste overall is a pretty big deal, which is why reparability should become more paramount with manufacturers. TH-camr Louis Rossmann provides awesome insight into this matter.
I still use a 46" plasma tv after 13 years. It still gets used about 4 hours a day and the only problem is that it does a weird glitchy thing up and down the screen for about 10 seconds on startup. There is also no real distinguishable burn in. It's a Panasonic Viera.
My last plasma was a Viera, too. Loved it. Had it almost 12 years and no burn in. Ended up having some other board failures. So I had to retire it.
U can turn off oversaturated colors in the menu which should reduce the risk also a bit + more natural colors.
It might be the internal resistance of the battery that’s causing the extra heat when undocked. The system doesn’t involve the battery once docked and fully charged, so overall heat output goes down. Just a guess.
I’ve personally had issues with the joycons losing general quality so I’d be interested in a video about how long a joycon lasts when being used or having buttons pressed
The main issue with Joycons is actually the sticks, we all know just how bad it can be with them.
Thank you for ensuring us that we shouldn’t worry about burn in. It really helps.
"nobody uses plasma screens anymore" tell that to my plasma tv I'm too cheap to replace
Just keep it until you can afford oled tbh
I honestly hugely appreciate the insight from your experiment here, and it has definitely relieved some of my concerns about the idea of going OLED overall, not just with the Switch. I've been considering a 4K TV for a while, but haven't jumped on just yet for multiple reasons. Your experiment has alleviated some of my concerns, though I will admit I do still have a few concerns, and much of them just has to do with me having much higher standards with tech endurance and lifespan than the average person.
To give context of how much life I expect out of my devices, I am still using a Pixel 2 XL after 5 years, and am only just now looking at a new phone to replace the one I have that has discontinued any support for over 2 years. And when I do get a new phone, I will be expecting it to last at least 4+ years before considering a new one. I built my PC in 2016, and am still using it unupgraded 7 years later, aside from adding more RAM (planning to get a new rig this year as well). But even more ridiculous is my TV, which is a 2010 model Samsung 1080p TV. This TV is now 13 years old and I still use it as my primary TV set.
This is the kind of life I expect my tech to have. I simply do not like the idea of having to buy something new every couple of years or so. I hate when phone manufacturers expect us to buy new every year or 2 years when I pay $600-$900 for the thing. My view is if I spend $500 or so on something, it needs to last, because that's quite the investment for someone who not only has bills to pay, but also wants to save money for a financially well off future. That's not to say I don't like new tech, I adore new tech. I just expect that tech to last for years, and even with this experiment, I cannot help but feel an OLED TV has no chance of lasting as long as my Samsung has.
Especially with how I treat this Samsung. My TV is almost never off, it always has something running on it, and plenty of it is things like ambient fireplaces, Skyrim backdrops on TH-cam, or just sitting on my Roku home screen. I cannot help but feel that type of use over a few years would absolutely result in some kind of burn in that would make me have to buy a TV sooner than I would have preferred. It's the reason why I have considered QLED instead of OLED, QLED just feels like it's guaranteed to have a longer life due to not being anywhere close to as sensitive to burn in as OLED, even if OLED burn in is highly unlikely. QLED just seems like the solution that eliminates the issue completely, and assures you a longer screen life. Basically exchanging a tiny amount of risk for no risk at all.
But that's just me, and my mind may end up changing. I am absolutely open to different takes and opinions on the matter, and am absolutely open to having my mind changed. Still, your experiment has me at least feeling better about the idea of going OLED, albeit still leaving me with lifespan concerns considering the history of my TV and how I've used it.
I use my C9 OLED as a monitor, primarily for games, but it’s holding up just fine with around 5000 hours on it. I got rid of desktop icons, auto hide task bar, black background. Works great.
this is a series of videos i never think about unless i’m specifically getting them recommended but i greatly enjoy them
Thank you
For gods same people. You have a really really good system here. Stop worrying for things that MIGHT happens in the future, where you yourself, may not be even here!
And just start playing the awesome library of games this beautiful console provides.
I always say, it's easy creating a big bulky blue ray player that hooks to your TV and a Bluetooth controller, aka all other consoles.
But it's not easy creating something that can be used in handheld mode TOO. It's has to have a very good screen size, very good battery very light weight and so on. I mean, which other company has to worry about screen of their console? None of them.
Nintendo Switch is awesome and for me, even it doesn't run anything, it's still a win because if Mario Odyssey.
Enjoy your console. It's awesome. Don't worry about a damn thing other than your backlog 👍
Edit: SteanDeck is new.ooks very good. But still relatively new. I like it a lot. We'll see though.
Man, if only their controllers were as resilient as their consoles
I’m honestly shocked that the Screen Burn Switch is the one that lasted longer while unplugged. Thanks for keeping us updated!
Honestly doesn't shock me, the main things that degrade battery life are charge cycles and heat. A charge cycle is the battery charging from 0-100 or any amount equaling 0-100. Like if you were to start playing at 100% battery and get to 50% and then charge it up fully, that would be half a cycle. Since the plugged in one never fully cycled it barely degraded. Also probably why his mostly docked personal oled switch lasted almost as long
I mean devices have overcharge protection these days. Shouldn't be too surprising
Trying to look at the burn in on my extraordinarily burned in note 9 is kinda funny. On the zoomed in side by side i couldnt tell where one stopped and the other began.
This video was like 2 years of therapy, that's how much anxiety has been lifted
I plan on buying my first Switch when Zelda Breath of the Wild 2 comes out! Hoping for a Pro by then but the OLED seems like it’ll be a good purchase!
Many OLED screens don’t use RGB stripes like an lcd. They use patterns where there’s more of green than blue/red cause it degrades the fastest, and bigger blue sub pixels. Hence the burn in has sometimes unexpected results.
ehh lcd's can have a wide range of pixle layout. I have seen some with zipper layouts.
The first video of this series is actually the reason why I bought an OLED instead of the V2. Happy with the Switch, it’s the first console that I’ve able to buy using my own money 🤣
I'm surprised it was even a decision you had to make, the OLED looks so much better, it's like a completely different device IMO.
@@Alcoholic_Nerd I was thinking of saving money at first because I wanted to spend the extra money on a controller and few extra games. But I decided to go with an OLED because I also discovered people reselling their games.
@@EvanPavon212 That's why I buy mostly physical, I own them forever and can do what I choose with them. Currently own just over 200 physical switch games which can be sold, traded, whatever. "buying" digital games is really just renting them.
Thanks for the update, please keep us updated with even more future videos about the project.
For your thermal anomaly at the end i think the difference came mostly form the fact the test one is on a metal support while the control one is on a plastic support. Metal will conduct and dissipate heat faster than plastic, helping the test one to stay cooler. + it was on the border on the furniture, so it has more air space/flow to take that heat away. And your control one which is the one you use for yourself might have more apps with some that keep running on background, so more cpu usage so more heat produced.
So hard to conclude but we can still say that the test switch keep working well after all that time.
Thank you for such endurance testing.
What I've noticed with my OG switch is I leave it on constantly in sleep mode it might be weeks before I touch it sometimes. I've noticed it drains a little quicker but not by much.
I have a Splatoon special edition OLED, I wasn't really worried about burn in since I regularly play Splatoon 3 and more action paced games that constantly have everything moving throughout the entire screen (besides the UI). So I just kinda felt like burn in was difficult to even try to get.
Apparently it is very hard to get even if you leave the screen on a static image
I don't know what supernatural entity Nintendo made a deal with to achieve this, but all their hardware is remarkably enduring. I picked up my 3DS the other day which had been completely untouched for over Pokemon Ultra Sun turned a year old, and it ran for 2.5 hours before the battery light changed from blue to red!
Yeah, I have an old OG Nintendo DS and the battery still holds a charge!
And now the new switch is dead after a few days of pulling it off the charger. =/ I never play it and it's never charged when I do want to play it despite having charged it "recently".
@@only1sn1not1taken that could be your switch in particular.
@@Schnort I've seen it with devices in general nowadays. Sleep just isn't truly sleep anymore.
@@only1sn1not1taken close yo damn games
So cool! Really interesting to see how robust the switch is. I got mine at launch and only the other day did I buy a new set of joycons because the left drift was finally after effecting my controller, which I know is repairable. Otherwise it has worked perfectly all the way along- fantastic machine 😁
I never heard anyone use the term "use case" until maybe a year ago, now I hear it every so often.
The iPad minis at my local Apple Store all have expanding batteries or severe burn ins, they also are always plugged in to their 20 watt charger lol
Thats like using it for 2 hours each and every day for 12 years straight! That is crazy impressive. good job nintendo.
If I had to guess external temps may be lower if the thermal compound has broken down and is transfering less heat to the external case. That said without having initial temps its kinda hard to say you may have just had a unit that had a better binned unit to start.
I doubt chip binning on things like these has much effect at all these days, except in very specific kinda edge cases which are not commodity level appliance things like the Switch is.
The only problem switch oled has is called green tint issue, you guys should talk about this problem. Nice video.
11:30 it is a weak screen, because it has an issue call green tint.
This could be a faulty process of the QA or a different screen from another manufacturer. I'm not sure who they get their screens from, but the 3DS had two very different screens. An IPS screen that was much brighter and more sought after than the TN panels of other ones. I have no green tint issues on my Switch OLED personally, but I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I had a Green Tint issue with my Samsung Tab S7+ but you can calibrate the color on that screen at least, so it'd be nice if Nintendo could allow optional controls for controlling the RBG levels.
It's a strong screen because it has nothing wrong with it lol
@@Poefred green tint?
@@checob224 That thing literally nobody is talking about 'cuz it's not an issue?
@@Poefred bro, you know how many people have said the same thing and then I show them how to know if their screen has the problem or not and most of them for not saying all of them has the issue. I bet yours has the issue you only need to play a grey scale oled video and watch the video in a dark room and you will see the issue. Most people that say they don't have the issue is because they either don't notice or they just don't want to talk about it which in my opinion I don't understand.
Thanks for doing so much thorough testing.
it's used to running on the charger.
oh man.
that statements is just... pure gold.
I think it would be nice to re-normalize screen-saver options on devices if someone just wants to play it safe. Plus, they can serve as a cool-looking way to flex display technology.
Especially on oled screens, that would be great.
My previous work laptop battery died very early as I left it plugged in basically for two years as a desktop machine. There was a BIOS update later on that allowed for the system to be aware of the intended use and charging scenarios that I used with a replacement battery, and that helped. Hopefully the switch is smart enough in the charging logic.
How do you know that's what killed the battery? It could have been a power surge, or the heat caused by you having the screen down and it tucked away with bad ventilation and the heat wore it out. Lithium batteries like being at 100% all the time.
generally in laptops it is not really the charging that kills it it is the heat. the switch (all the models) the battery is not right next to the cpu and so the battery it's self don't get to much heat. leaving it plugged in will casue elevated temps but only during charging you got the power ic (the little chip that is responsible for controlling the charging and distributing power to everything annnnnnddd apparently the usb c port all together tend to get pretty warm to as does the cpu as it is allowed to ramp up to higher clock speeds for longer periods of time especially while docked. the battery don't generate any real heat but does get warm while Charging. It's quite funny though as most cell phones will complain about the battery being to hot while in fact it is not really the battery that's hot but the cpu.
This must be the first Switch video in at least a year Bob has made that wasn't incredibly negative towards it lol
literally wasnt last video
@@gntyh Did we watch the same video?
we use plasma screens at my home and i notice sometimes burn ins happen, but they disappear after cooldown
I legit think that if u played a screen unburning video on it for a few hours it might even fix a lot of those issues still. Oleds tend to come back if u let the pixels relax or it can look normal again if you even put the burn in. This truly doesn’t seem to be an issue
I think people were concerned about it because of the the flimsy stand of the original and the ongoing joystick problems. I myself wasn’t familiar with OLED so I was worried when I heard about burn in a week after having my Switch.
The burn in oled could be pushing out the air less efficiently then the regular use one.
Nintendo products are beasts. I still have and use regularly my original switch from when it was first released and the only issue is that it doesn’t dock (it just freezes on a black screen) which was a product issue that I think has been fixed since. My WiiU wasn’t used for a few years but when I finally set it back up and turned it on, everything worked perfectly. My 3ds and gba sp also work perfectly!
thank you! I just unboxed my OLED switch a week or so ago and I was getting worried about playing it while charging but this video helps rest easy 😄 I also didn't get the warranty hehe
i use an oled tv as a computer monitor. it has just around 5500 hours of panel use right now, and it's perfectly uniform, zero signs of burn-in. as long as you don't put your oled screen to flashbang you 24/7, it'll outlast its usefulness. (mine is at 35% brightness like 95% of the time, the rest at 100% brightness).
these static image tests are cool and all, but they probably do more harm than good, because people will jump to conclusions before realizing the super unrealistic test conditions do not apply to real world use at all. still, if you actually to and think about what you're seeing, these are really cool to see.
The dodge didn't look happy, more scared...
Y'know when you mentioned Nintendo putting out some pretty resilient products made me think back to the countless amount of times I remember my Wii remote viciously slamming against the floor and or wall.
Always worked, never broke- just had to throw the batteries back in if anything.
Thank you for reminding me of my childhood 🤣
people complained that wiimotes broke tvs, but no one complained that tvs broke wiimotes
I remember when you put this out for the first time. Crazy it has been a year
0:42 “nobody uses plasma screens anymore” *me looking across the room straight towards my plasma tv with hella lines on the top and bottom of the screen* 😂😂
Whenever im having a hard day I just remember somewhere that a nintendo switch is running and has never been turned off... thats what keeps me going.
Musician here. Your tone of voice always reminds me of, "THE SCALLOPS!!!" from Big Mouth (Netflix) just thought I'd mention that for fun. Listen to it and do an impression lol
The footage ingest computer in my high school's TV studio was so old, the CRT had the old Adobe Rendering window literally blackened into the glass of the screen. You could see it when the screen was OFF. This was before "Creative Suite", cameras couldn't easily record high bitrate footage onto SD cards, so we had to digitize the tapes and then render out the footage onto the server for the lab. It could take this machine 45 minutes to render out 10 minutes of raw standard def footage, so imagine a class of kids rendering on this thing almost constantly.
What are the odds I just recently watched the video where you started this experiment. I was looking into the OLED because I’m getting it for Christmas.
I used to play a game on my phone before bed every night and would frequently fall asleep with it on. The UI got burned in and I was so confused, because I hadn't seen screen burn since the CRT monitors back in school.
Shoutout to his dog for doing that sponsor bit
"Nobody uses plasma anymore."
Me watching this video on my 50" Samsung plasma TV... 😐