Jordan Peterson on Gender, Patriarchy and the Slide Towards Tyranny
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- Jordan Peterson, author of 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, was joined by Anne McElvoy, Senior Editor at The Economist and head of Economist Radio, to discuss gender, identity politics, liberalism and #MeToo.
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We are liking this because of JBP, just to make it clear.
You're right!
Notice how the word intelligence is hovering over Jordan. Lovl
JBP is primarily full of shit... or we can call it metaphorical substrate if that sounds better...
Absolutely! She is close to ridiculous.
@@Tahoza Care to explain why? Any evidence to counter his points?
Jordan: This is not my opinion. These are just the facts.
Interviewer: I don't want to hear facts. I want to hear your opinion so that I can accuse you of having a terrible opinion.
Bang on!
Nailed it
He should have anwered: "I don't have opinions on facts; opinions should be relegated to questions like 'which is your favorite flavor of ice-cream?'"
Yep! 💯. Her intentions are as bad as they get.
Claps
Every interview I watch with Jordan he ends up explaining the interviewers argument better than they do themselves
Seriously.
I believe that's called the Socratic method.
It's important to not target a person. Rather the ideas their putting forth. Therefore it's positively critical to restate the idea to insure that one is truly arguing the idea. Jordan Peterson has long argued he will build up an opposing idea as strong as he can to pay it respect before taking it on. In this way no one can say he didn't give the devil his due.
To the OP: this is SUCH an important point you’re making.
In every single one of these podcasts, they always seem to want to "get" him on some point, yet they just give up and move on to the next question. This man is truly wonderful. 👏🏽
Jordan B. Peterson :
"my message to the Hungarians: Do not rebel.
What your leader is trying to do is to restore the metaphysical foundation of the Hungarian culture."
yeah people give up because its nearly impossible to get through a thick wall of words without meaning. thats the only thing this moron is good at. speaking convoluded and fooling you people
It's a common tactic by "journalists" fishing for soundbites. She also tries to load his lips several times with "what you're saying is....", and "so you believe ...". They're not used to dealing with someone of Jordan's caliber pushing back and they end up look amateurish. His highlight reel is right up there with the other Jordan I like.
Psychologically he knows he has won the argument when she moves on or changes the topic. Typical women.
The most frustrating thing about these types of interviews is that the interviewer has no genuine interest in understanding JBP and his views. That’s why I prefer people like Joe Rogan or Dave Rubin who have a genuine curiosity about the people they interview.
I Agugree.... (Rubin)
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Yeah, she would do better after a few DMT or psilocybin experiences. Open her mind a bit.
I feel you dude but personally I'm unsure about Joe Rogan from what I've seen. I’ve noticed multiple instances of him not even trying to understand where his guests are coming from. He also didn’t seem to understand that people aren’t, on the spot, always able to say things in the exact spirit of what they mean. That kind of lack of understanding seems, to me, to be the temperament of someone who’s far more dismissive than they are curious. I’ve heard from people that he’s improved over time though so maybe I’ve just coincidentally seen his bad talks amongst an ocean of good ones, I'm open to that.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Genuine interests in that Canadian hack!? Peterson is a no one who is out there to make some buck of out gullible impressionable males. And he is succeeding in that money making enterprise.
Nkanyezi Masondo yes. Truly a useless interviewer as she is only irritated and didn't understand half of what he was saying.
If Peterson started a masterclass in having patience with obnoxious people, I would pay anything to join that.
Just be ready to not be able to have discourse with someone that already made their mind up on unfounded opinion.
The trick is to realize and accept a fundamental truth no matter how revolting or unfair:
Good people have to play by different rules than bad people. Same rules don't apply to everybody. Evil people will taunt, mock, bully, provoke and all manner of immoral and uncivil behavior, in the attempt to get you to their level, where they can drag you through the mud. NOBODY will condemn them for that behavior, but will crucify you if you accept the challenge. They want to change the subject, no matter the debate, to how inappropriate YOU are, because they don't posses the truth or the facts and they know it. DONT LET THEM! DONT BE TEMPTED TO RETALIATE. No one will care who started it, and they will blame you, ALWAYS. It's hard, but if you keep your cool and stick to the subject, it actually becomes a lot more satisfying and productive, not only because you win the argument, but because this is what pains them the most. They are getting cancer while watching you destroy their rhetoric with facts, while their impotent attacks glance off you like toy arrows off tanks.
@@oldscorp That was really profound. Thanks. Is there any more literature on this idea?
@@callmepistol Lol, i don't know! Let me know if YOU find any.
@@oldscorp unfortunatley the sort of ppl you are challenging with logic comes in waves! so you can win against a wave or two but when something illogical comes and a cryout is made with only emotional perspective, the loss will be closer and closer! at the end of the day you will just have a war against yourself!
I met JP last month in Cincinnati (after an entire year of waiting). I've never been happier in my life. As soon as it was my turn to get a picture with him for the "meet and greet", anxiety hit me hard. It's so weird meeting someone you admire. I've listened to every one of his debates, speeches, and audio books, and he's genuinely changed my life. Anyways, it was my turn to walk up to him for a picture and I got major butterflies. I looked at him and choked up a little. I said "my heart is pounding so hard. You are my personal hero Dr. Peterson."
He smiled, looked into my eyes, and asked what my name was. I told him and he shook my hand and said "It's a pleasure to meet you, Peter."
His speech that night was incredible, insightful, and downright beautiful. The man radiates warmth, kindness, and compassion. I'm so glad I got a chance to meet the person I admire most in this world. He genuinely makes me want to become my best self.
JBPeterson: "My message to the Hungarians
Do not rebel against your PM
Your leader is trying to restore the metaphysical foundation of the 1000 years old Hungarian empire
I would like to tell you a secret about Jesus and a secret about your PM. Another name for Jesus is Viktor"
i don't have any clue what all that drivel was. who's victor? what PM Huh? who ? who cares? ...what "message?" nothing you said made ANY sense at all@@furerorban9324
you are a very scary individual. there's nothing of foundation in your "empire" ....and your secret about JEBUS doesn't really impress me@@furerorban9324
Dork
You sound like the male version of a bieberfan lmao
When she says she isn’t interviewing the clinical literature I almost lost my mind. Jordan is basically telling her that it’s not his opinion, these are just the facts, this is the reality. That’s like saying “I’m not asking the mathematical literature on whether 2+2=4, I’m asking you if you think 2+2=4.” That’s not something you “think” that’s something you know because it is a fact.
Aptly put!
I don't think she's capable of understanding the difference.
I get angry just thinking about it, how could she even say something like that, it's deeply wrong. If you are going to talk about something like that it's obvious that you are basing your knowledge on science and research, especially if you are an expert like jordan peterson, it's not a matter of opinion
When a woman starts talking like that, you just lower your eyes and back away slowly. You can't use bear spray, so all you can do is speak calmly and increase distance.
Common phenomenon that people couldn’t distinguish between person and information. More likely to observe in women in the past years, I have to admit.
Jesus Christ can we get ONE interview with a woman who isn't insufferable and condescending?
Phil Shen there is a good one, search Jordan Peterson on ‘12 rules for life’
The channel is Marjin Poels
Phil Shen He did one with camele paglia (wrong spelling but is on jbp's channel) it was good.
But these are the ones in which he particularly shines in his answers. I don't really want to watch someone agree with him for an hour, I want to watch him methodically dismantle someone's entire rationale from a psychological frame of reference. THAT'S the good stuff.
Just to be clear, I don't mind confrontation and hard questions, and I think I saw that with the maajid Nawaz interview. Granted I haven't seen all interviews with Peterson and others, and yes, it is a generalization that all his interviews with women have been with shrews. Also I do think he has brilliant answers. But I wrote my comment more out of frustration that so far all the female hosts that I've seen interview him so far seem to come into the interview not to engage him, but rather it seems like they want to gotcha him or destroy him instead. Plenty of male hosts (cough, vice) have tried to do that too, but from my limited view, I've at least seen more male hosts try to give him a chance, less see from female hosts. It probably doesn't need saying, this is not a reflection on women being "b*tches" -- rather I think it's more of a reflection of the women (and men too, to be fair) who are in media and what kind of ideology they subscribe to.
Phil Shen To be fair I thought this was a good interview, she gave him space to explain his views. She asked intelligent Qs as very far as the postmodern left can be expected to pose.
I’ve seen almost as many Male interviewers being insufferably thick towards JP as female ones. I don’t think this woman qualified herself to be categorised in the same universe as e.g. Cathy Newman.
Can we just acknowledge that Jordan Peterson is drawing stars and circles in his notebook all while destroying this rude interviewer
using the word "destroying" towards other person really makes me think that you didnt pay any attention to the subject. Exactly that kind of terms were discussed, but it clearly didnt sink in. Or maybe you just took a nap mid-conversation
@@joananeto9607 sure the word destroying may not be entirely appropriate, how about dismantling, he dismantled every question he was thrown because he understands when someone is being intellectually honest and when they are trying to trap him in a corner with a soundbyte.
@@joananeto9607 He didn't destroy her, but he disproved her weak thinking upon the topics.
@@joananeto9607 Right! If you ask Fugazi to summarize the talk in a few words he couldn't even do that. He just thinks the woman lost just because she was non-assertive and allowed Peterson to talk over her.
@@jamberry8026 No. Peterson simply used facts that did not care about her feelings.
Among the 12 rules for life - IF a cat comes up to on the street, pat it.
I do that without have read this book. It's a wonderful feeling, actually. A friendly soul, small and vulterable, comes up and gives you affection, greets, implicitly trusts you etc. It's enough to make my heart melt.
One such cat came into my garage. She was emaciated, with long matted gray fur, but with big and alert eyes. I was leaving the garage and she walked with me. I went out by the side door, closed it, and then she stopped. She turned around and slunk into a hole in the siding. Each day after that, I put out a bowl of chicken, and later proper cat food. My little "ghost" came out to greet me every morning outside the garage, and ate her food. Then one morning she came out with three tiny little kittens, and presented them to me. After that, I took mom and her babies into my family. There she and her kittens lived out their lives. We have one of those kittens left. He is now almost 16 years old. It all started with a lost and desperate soul trusting me with her life, and it lead to so much joy. Follow the rule, and pat a strange cat if it comes up to you. If you are able, adopt it.
That's super sweet.
Very sweet and loving
I am I my sixties and writing a parenting book. This man has caused me to rethink much of my work! I’m grateful! 💚
Why are you writing a parenting book if you have to rethink much of your work? Maybe you are a student and not a teacher.
@@generalfusweden3797everyone Is a forever student of life, we all should strive to evolve our opinions based on relevant new data..she is humble and smart enough to admit that some of her opinions were changed, we all need to open to changing our mind and not letting our beliefs/views stagnate. New thoughts and tools are how we evolve.
We all were students, are students and will be students?@@generalfusweden3797And many great literary works were done by students and not by the masters.
Very few people would admit that, and this makes your work already very interesting to me
@@generalfusweden3797So, you decided at some point in your life, that you know everything there is to know and to stop learning? It must be wonderful to be as enlightened and all-knowing as you are!
Her face is that of a person not listening but waiting
Spot on.
The countless ironies are embarassing. She is so dismissive and condescending and just cuts him off when he's making a cogent point LOL
my ex wife had resting not listening but waiting face like 24/7
hahaha
Paradoximize the simplicity of your comment really captures my main issue with the host of this podcast. Well said.
She exemplifies female aggression as she's tries to argue against it.
On point
Do you recall the part where she's insinuating that Peterson is being a misogynistic asshole when he says that regarding aggression, women tend to lean towards verbal / gossip / character assassination (or was it "career assassination" or something like that?) as compared to men tending to lean towards physical aggression (at least comparatively)?
Because it's so... ironic, let's say, that as she was insinuating that, she was exhibiting so much of precisely what Peterson was referring to immediately prior.
@@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024 The highlight segment 46:05 'Out of control women bullies will destroy reputations, which is the dominant female method of aggression. I studied this 15 years. I'm an expert.'
@C Atanic Sorry you can't read or understand. I quoted Dr. Peterson. You got angry and lied. He studied antisocial disorder for 15 yrs. Telling the truth is love. Leftists telling you lies is hate.
@C Atanic You are an empty troll bot channel. They are often paid by Soros organizations to tell lies and destroy good reputations.
Dr. Peterson is probably the most misunderstood man walking earth. My initial analysis is that it must be exhausting to continually be on the defense; however, after some thought it might not be as strenuous because he doesn’t have to remember to play a character. He simply shows up as himself, and shares information he’s learned over decades of study. People don’t realize he RARELY EVER gives his personal opinion on anything (unless he’s persistently asked to share), his thoughts are based off scientific data and research. I’m always inspired after hearing him speak, God bless you Dr. Peterson!
pretty straight forward
Wild that Jordan is having such a complex and high level conversation while also doodling some stars on his note pad. He has an extremely well developed landscape of the ideas that they are discussing and excellent identification of persona that he can do both simultaneously, while still contributing to the conversation and helping the interviewer walk through her arguments. Excellent podcast, btw.
It's rude and dismissive and an avoidance technique
@@bereal6590 interesting. I could see how someone might think that's being a bit rude, but also what points did you think he was avoiding?
@@bereal6590probably helps him think. I’ll be doing stuff whilst talking to people all the time. Helps me stay more focused on what they’re saying tbh.
@bereal6590 incorrect...unless you have a thing against people with ADHD, cause a lot of us do this to concentrate better...I used to do this in school and would get yelled at for not paying attention, even though they would attempt to catch me not paying attention and fail
Edit: typo
@@bereal6590it would be if JBP wasn't engaging with every question being posed to him. He most likely was doodling because she was boring the life out of him by not having an original thought/question for an hour straight
“I’m not interviewing clinical literature, I’m interviewing you.” What a stupid thing to say to a scientist.
Clearly trying to be provocative
@@regalsylvester no, I don’t think so. I think she just blabbed the first thing that came to her mind out of desperation. Peterson was poking holes in her way of thinking so naturally she felt threatened and responded, as shameful as it was.
THANK YOU
Lmaoooooo
He's a psychologist not a psychiatrist. Those are two different professions. One requires more science while the other one which Peterson is requires none at all!
She's not actively listening, she's just thinking what she's going to say next to catch him out
She's listening to respond instead of listening to learn
Yeah, I thought that same thing
Maybe even listening for that gotcha moment..but it never came.
So? she's a woman! 🤷
@@cato7778 hopefully you’re being sarcastic, but as a bisexual woman, it is a definitely predominantly a woman thing 🥴🥴
Her complete lack of humility and respect while interviewing someone who is so clearly superior to her is what (to me) is so shocking about this interview. Her behavior (trying to catch him and then casually changing the subject when she has obviously failed) was abhorrent. It’s also fascinating to me that so many people try to bring this guy down. My life has completely changed for the better as a direct result of him.
the interviewer has a beautiful voice though
ill give her that
Cmon it wasn't that bad. She's allowed to ask questions and put him to the test
@@thebigstick5540 Body language, bro.
Peterson is brilliant at patiently explaining to the woke world what we all fundamentally know to be true. What is amazing is that that has become necessary.
Well, it is hard to see clearly. Ideologies fog everyone's sight.
@@iraqwarveteran470the ideology becomes the sight.
It's so hilarious how she changes the subject every time she starts feeling cornered by her own ignorance xD
No joke, talk about moving the goalposts. Every single time he starts to explain himself or his position, she butts in and redirects the conversation where SHE WANTS IT TO GO. What a crap interviewer she is.
Agree. Some of these interviewers just want to challenge him rather than an intelligent discussion..
She started off so well. She was asking really good questions and didn't show any bias. But then...
Why in the world would you say that.....
That's what 30 years of psychological data says.
Ohh, uhhh let's move on
Lol
She has good headphones taste tho
Literally no idea why these people try to end their careers talking to this man.
Our good friends Dunning and Kruger might be able to explain.
These journalists believe that they are smarter than JP, and if they can discredit him, they will be famous among other journalists...
They never seem to realize how wrong their beliefs are in their ability to out smart someone so much more intelligent and educated than the journalists are.
" I'm gonna end this wahmen's whole career".
Pride.
rofl
Nothing better than when he says, “I’m actually quite an expert on [the subject].”
The patience and composure of this man speaks volumes past what he already speaks. As I need to work on myself I wouldn't be able to sit for very long while someone criticized my lifes work, views, and bombarded me with questions in an attempt to "get" the interviewed. As well as when the questions are answered in a logical and balanced way the interviewing switches to another topical question when they aren't "winning" the opinionated questioning. JBP keep going strong
Wow this really hard to listen to, it's pretty obvious that she is attempting to trap him into some clickbait statement to add to her bias cause. I'm amazed at the temperament and patience of this man.
I think she did a good job of research, and had decent questions. The issue is her demeanor when she gets knocked off topic was slightly antagonistic and came from her political bias.
He is truly cool. When I was a boy I looked up to guys who had the confidence to walk up to girls in the street, as a man I look up to men who can engage them, challenge them, and make them laugh with intelligence, and charisma. Russell Brand and JP exemplify "cool" to me.
Honest Outlaw Reviews “patience”
+chucknastyness
Russell Brand isn't the sharpest but he is definitely cool.
NotAsian
Not necessarily politically but he is very witty and socially commanding
I didn't know Cathy Newman had a sister.
Not a sister but an identical Copy
Sexist! Don't you know it's now non-specific gender sibling.
i just watched these 2 interviews back to back and she is not even close to Cathy. You may not agree with what she thinks and that's fine, but, she wasn't overly aggressive, she didn't rudely interject as much and she definitely didn't put words in his mouth.
@@josoffat7649 you want to control woman?!?!??
She did put this in his mouth clearly
I see it the other way around. This is a great interview with two people who disagree.
The intrgrity, wisdom and BRILLIANCE of Dr Peterson shines through again 😁
Bingo
Infinite amount of respect that JP actively engages in discourse with those most violently opposed to his views.
Beyond depth of character it adds immeasurable weight to his message.
Which I struggle to understand how people oppose - be the best person you can be, live a life worth living and tell your truth.
“Yes, women can be bullies”-hands her a mirror.
Lmfaoooo Dr. Peterson had too much maturity for that but it would've been stellar.
lol
🤣🤣🤣
I can never understand the mindset of thinking there are no differences between men and women and at the same time saying women are innocent and men are evil.
My wife is a bully!
I'd like to say something disparaging about this interviewer, but I'm going to clean my room instead. 😑
hell yes
Amen!
Hai Phan I kind of agree but you missed one point. Whenever she disagreed with one of his points she changed topic. And that happened quite a lot, like every minute or so.
Well done sir!
Word
Wow she got absolutely schooled. Very intelligent interviewer but her loaded questions, disparaging remarks, and scoffs got her a profoundly well balanced and thoughtful response that she seemed to be bemused by. I wish her all the best and hope she can release some of her ideological resentment.
I absolutely adore Jordan Peterson and I'm a woman. ❤👏👏👏👏
I'd LOVE to have a conversation with him, especially about how amazing it is being a housewife and mother. How it's empowering for me and how much my family depends on me and what a benefit my role has been on my child and husband. I think we have a pretty beautiful and healthy life, tbh. I'm very happy about what I've accomplished even though our society doesn't see it as such. We have treasures money can't buy.
sigh , here we go again "i'm a woman" as if your vagina gave you personal insight on something....i'm so sick of hearing "and i am a woman!" as if being one is so special its amazing you actually listened at all? huh?!
This woman does a good job at magnifying Jordan's superior intellect. And illustrating how Jordan has the temper of a saint.
Love this comment. I wrote a whole paragraph ranting and raving by how much this woman frustrated me. I am decided not to post, and will aspire to manage my temper like Jordan.
@@sarahroberts8724 He just perplexes these people doesn't he? These intelligent career women who think they've got it all worked out and think that because he appeals to incels etc that must mean Jordan is against women. He doesn't get angry; that's just one of the wiley ways we antagonise those we want to antagonise. He just can't contain his frustration at their relentless obtuseness.
@@hansiesma16 He absolutely does. I'm amazed they think that they can get the better of him with such pernicious tactics. It's sad they miss the opportunity to learn something!
@Suicide Booth Spot on!
He is talking to a woman who is literally determined to avoid the truth
I just cant believe how he doesnt lose his cool during these interviews. Its unbelievable
He is a smart man. Kill them with kindness and facts.
@@scringe1 took the words right out of my mouth
He is probably redirecting his frustration with her ignorance. Notice how he is doodling on the paper whenever she's squawking nonsense.
he does though, he becames bitter, but i understand him
Oh don't be so naive. He's there because he wants to sell books. They both know that - she's working for a company that is benefiting from the click revenue. It isn't a debate to search for universal truths. It's a financial transaction.
I learn so much from Jordon Peterson throughout the years.
I think we can all agree that Jordan is just brilliant and unmatched in any challenge!
Every time she can tell she’s outmatched she interrupts and changes the subject. He’s so gracious that he lets her do it Every. Single. Time. Kudos to him I couldn’t manage it.
I think that's the one thing he did wrong in the interview honestly. He needed to stay calm just as he was and drive some points deeper. Staying with his completely relaxed manner, he just needed to say "before we move on from _ _ _ _, I'd like to elucidate it further." That way Jordan could demonstrate the absolute invalidity of her points. I know for most non-lunatics what Peterson said was enough, but I'm talking about the ones that are on the fence of lunacy lolllll.
@@markshanahan8147 yeah I feel the same way. By letting her change the subject he doesn’t really get to show how wrong she is, and she definitely won’t change her mind about those points unless he makes her look foolish.
Hes a master class in eloquence and patience
I'm far more impressed about that he is never in need to call it out.
He's more focused in embarassing her, by raising the quality of the conversation immediately up, when he starts to talk. Contrasting her argumentative inferiority.
it's weird to see someone so openly ignorant, and who is totally convinced of their being some value in her arrogance. She clearly hasn't understood what it is to appreciate someone who can so easily destroy their opponent like peterson does. She should be thanking him for destroying her. Such an ugly woman in so many ways
Drops loaded question.
Doesn't hear desired answer.
Drops more loaded questions with a hint of character attack.
Gets smacked with perfect image destroying answer delivered while doodling.
*INTERRUPTS* to drop more loaded questions with a hint of character attack.
GIVE ME A ONE WORD ANSWER SO I CAN ATTACK YOU!!!!!! 👾
Math Don wow
Math Don LMFAO!
Math Don das big facts...after the third or fourth time I had to check comments 🤦🏿♂️
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I love civil discourse but I wonder what she thought of the interview after viewing herself. It’s not so much about him winning or losing, but he had an articulate, well-thought response to every topic she raised. Appreciate the calmness he exhibited throughout. It kept the focus on the discussion/topics.
Can we officially canonize JBP as the internet’s “Patron Saint of Heavenly Patience”??? He deserves it after this one.
It's not just this interview, seems to be loads of media outlets were they send him up against a woman who does not want to listen and then fails to make basic assumptions that would be common place in normal conversation, like thinking that serial harassers are vomit inducing. To be fair though that last point mainly connects to that fact that these women are expecting literal Hitler to come to the interview, not the most mild mannered Canadian dad of the internet.
JBP: "Clean your room"
Internet: *Sigh* "Fine....."
Scott Ferguson True. Despite not really caring for Russell Brand, he gave EXACTLY what a proper interview consists of; questions that allow the person to dissect and explain what they mean, ask for elaborations, ACTUALLY LISTENING to the elaborations, approach the interview as if the person has something to teach you, don’t project, offer healthy criticism, play devil’s advocate when needed, etc.. She seems to be disagreeing just for the sake of disagreement without offering anything concrete to combat JP’s citations of well-established studies. As an interview, it sucks. But for the 4,000 “JP Destroys....” videos/week, it’s another goldmine.
Marino Mazzei Exactly! I was surprise by Russel actually he did a great job, and I think it mainly comes down to the difference between a discussion of ideas versus what we got here, point scoring.
Daniel Luna woah, that’s some crazy demolition of his whole schtick right there danny boy.
The discussion with Matt Dilahunty was also a really good one, and I think he actually challenged Peterson's worldview meaningfully and they both offered good justifications for their ideas. They demonstrated different ways to view the universe and truth, while being very entertaining as well.
How badass is it to intelligently participate in an engaging debate on live radio while casually doodling?
LOADS OF TESTOSTERONE
It's disrespectful. Immagine the reverse. Jordan B. Peterson is often flawless, but in this case his temper was very ill conceiled.
That's polite Canadian speak for "IDGAF".
Jordan was doodling from the very start of the video, while she gave her intro and then asked her first question. To me it seemed like he was already sick of her/the interview from the get-go. Curious about what their pre-interview conversation was like. Perhaps he was super tired and just over the whole thing, that day.
Agreed that it's disrespectful, The Frisian. I love Jordan, but not making eye contact with her during her questions for the first half of the interview seemed rude. And as I've said elsewhere in this thread - I wonder why he behaved like that. Perhaps he sensed what he was in for from the pre-show chat. And/or was just over the whole media thing that day..
JP is one of the greatest thinkers of modern times....a truly great man!
Tom Waits!
Damn, now I have to really love Jordan Peterson
Anne: writing notes on how she can try and push bullshit agendas.
Jordan: destroys her agendas while drawing doodles.
I just noticed that
Well he was wrong on the trans issue. He rallied support for freedom of speech... everyone got on board, but in that same action he treated the trans community like a stubborn beurocrat placing procedural correctness before people needs. So I get the impression he probably have some flawed logic to his ideas on gender too
@@paulesposito7055 yah, no. He has said multiple time that he would respect a trans person's pronouns if they are being genuine. And calling a person by a pronoun, it is not a need, it is a generosity. BIG DIFFERENCE.
@@paulesposito7055 you have not listened to him
@@CourageToB I know him inside out. He’s a dog. As a consequence, his ridiculous concerns were ignored and the law sailed straight through
If I had Jordan Peterson as my teacher, I'd never miss a class
Jordan is internet dad to us all. Watch dad be a badass and clean the floor with these woke lunatics.
"My particular attraction for young, white men." Jordan Peterson
@@Sam-cx6gz No
@@Cyfog10 @Sam sams a weirdo
@@WedgeUhMite I mean, his quote is technically correct he just clipped that piece of it and posted it way out of context. I shouldn't be surprised at the internet at this point though 😂
Wow. I am astounded by Peterson's patience in dealing with the interviewer's Not-So-Intelligent (Squared) questions. She is desperate to prove him extreme and wrong, and she fails miserably in that endeavor. Peterson, his intelligence, and his ability to communicate, is a gem, and a great gift to all of us (and I do mean "all" - even those who hate him).
i am reading mr. peterson's book right now and it helps me enormously. a lot of our own misfortune and unhappiness is created by ourselves. it is easier to spiral down then exceed in what you are doing. giving up is always easier than trying until you succeed. this resonated with me a lot. we are the smiths of our own lifes
"Just to be clear, you think that a water molecule is two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom bonded together."
"Its not that I THINK that!"
Felix Alrick well done 👍
Lol! It is frustrating. As a general rule if you're male, never go into a philosophical discussion with a woman.
Felix Alrick
😂😂😂😂😂😊
So you’re saying you support the unequal molecular gap in hydrogen and oxygen in water?
Oxygen is in minority, but it's the hydrogen that feels oppressed
"Why do you want to monetize?" Jesus, Anne. Why do you have a job, Anne? Why do YOU need to monetize?
Brandon Springer exactly it was such an idiotic question that I literally face palmed.
"Money is used for goods and services."
She is senior editor for the Economist for gods sake, do they not monetize? And since they do, obviously, does their money only go to virginally pure neutral ventures?
It seems like she didn't understand the answers...
And this is why I uncategorically use adblocks. I don't want to give anyone any revenue that I don't feel they deserved. I've benefited from Peterson's work and I've consequently bought 2 copies of his book.
“I will now ask you a question then speak right on top of you once you start to answer the question - great shall we begin?”
This is JBP captured at peak performance and it’s astonishing…beautiful to behold.
And let me say she’s a good catalyst too…
I bet she’s an amazing cook;-)😂
This woman sounded almost intelligent when she was reading the script at the beginning.
As soon as her opinions began to fall out of her mouth, that illusion was quickly dispelled.
Yep. She didn’t sound terribly biased at the immediate beginning but it wasn’t long before she couldn’t even read the script without her bias ooze out into how she delivered it.
She's dumb. Gives bad name to women. She is just not getting anything AND doesn't let HER GUEST finish most of his arguments, so people who DO get it can listen. Is she a paid host who is hired to as questions or a catty argumentative witch in a bar? And whenever she gets so cornered by her own dumbness she can't come up with arguments she just says okay let's come back to...". Oh yeah and a few times she actually yells over (or at) her guest. What a mess of an interview did this witch create! Fire this disrespectful, dumb and emotionally unstable woman.
jup just this..listened to it while cooking and I thought this isnt a bad interview..then I came back with my food and we have the sudden jump from the first half to "MEE TOO, MEE TOO"..gotta admit this old hag got me fuming several times with her stupid pseudo intelligent smirks at this point. Kudos to him
@@ElenaKomleva 💯
@Elena Komleva i wouldn’t say she’s a representative of women, but she’s a individual, and a rather crass one at that. But I agree with everything else you stated.
she's not even trying to listen.
You can actually see her reading her next line and formulate it in her head while she should be listening and as soon as he stops speaking she fires it at him. She's just not smart enough to do it all at once. Like Jordan can
hahaha now do you get woman?? its in your words... everytime you make a fair and valid point whether in a heated situation or not, but generally when they have been insulted/criticized ive noted.
they are doing what you just posted bruh thats women in a nutshell (well some of them)
watch her @ 9:35 she really isn't even listening. And she does this through the whole "interview". More like an interrogation predetermined by her subjective narrative..
@@matthewlarkin5525 Yeah in my years of dealing with women that want to be right or No.1 or the dominant type, when conversations hit those triggers the ladies instantly stop listening go defense/attack mode and try and pick apart any credibility, mock what was said or just get pissy at what has been said.
And therefor completely ignore the words directed at them in the first place and also for any response you make to the dribble they spew out there after... TOTAL INSECURITY, aaaand inability to just generally control emotions or filter there mouth.. which is why you dont run nations ladies..NUFF SAID oh and makes you look ever the fools
Anmol Singh oh she's listening alright! but she's refusing to accept truth, instead, feelings are getting the best and worse of her.
Cubed root of intelligence as opposed to intelligence squared IMO
Another interviewer who came to the dinner table without a fork
Al E Gator she came with 2 knives.....
I was going to write that I was at @15:00 so far and she was doing fine, asking good, non-debaters questions that brought out some real knowledge. By @30:00 ... not so much. She's in a machine gun fight against a guy in an A-10 not knowing her gun is a toy.
Jordan Peterson is a runaway freight train these interviewers cant even catch up to his mind wizardry. LEGEND
Ahh really the pay gap again! They are still pushing that wheelbarrow of horseshit!
Omg I'm almost done, but the pattern of load a question get shot down with actual arguments, try and steer the argument to the feminist argument keep getting shot down. Bout time to quickly change the subject!
My man Jordan Peterson literally doodling while he embarrasses this clueless journalist with 4 piles of prepared arguments.
He's got God Tier intelligence😎🔥🔥😌
@Patrick J Mims That's just an expression of witnessing unbelievable intelligence, at least to his mind, if not for everyone. Although, I think too, that he's got very good categorizing ability on whatever questions they ask him, and he deals with them, subdivided which I think is a sign of good understanding in that subject and general intelligence to categorize them at all. To what extent, he does this, since better than average people can also do it, he does it almost all the time; which is a very well-practiced, methodical and obtains the end goal, without too much obstacles in the path of infusion of two or more separated ideas, under the same question. Also, his verbal intelligence is higher than you see in many people in our daily lives, which is not something to scoff at, and also indicates at his intelligence under one class.
Thank you for leaving the comments section up.
Well done JP 👏👏👏
My love for this man is beyond words. By the way I am a girl.
Isn't it a shame you feel you have to point out being a girl - hopefully what most will take away from it, is that you're a thoroughly decent one.
All the best in 2020 xx
Ditto!
@@gnoelalexmay why is that a shame? That's embarrassing you even think that
@@bye92 I think you may have missed Graham May's point altogether.
An open logical person Or a woman?
The man has mastered the art of patience. That in itself is admirable.
Exactly what I was thinking.
He's playing the long game always
Indeed. I got annoyed and frustrated just listening to her. Most of her comments were there just to try to look smart. He, held his ground admirably though.
This is not a game! Why do men think this way.
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@@bonnierobinson8684 gender is just a social construct sweetheart. Now go back to sleep.
I find it amazing that Jordan doodles while talking. I sometimes do the same thing. It actually somehow helps to make me concontrate more on the topic. I remembered I used to get in trouble in school for doodling, but it helped me to actually focus on the class.
Quite an amazing interview. Hats off to both. She hectored as is her job, but was then rebutted, educated, and forced to acknowledge a more evolved and developed intellect and person. Peterson was magnanimous, and patient, with an aggressive ideologue feminist.
Damn I was going to make that comment! Awesome comment!
You think that's the job because of the media circus in which you live and your social expectations; you desire for "big brother" interactions as the norm. There are lots of really good books on discourse you can read one day.
Man the interviewer is pretty condescending. He’s actually right in what he is saying. She’s attacking him. 😣
I agree Simone. She attacks Jordan... and does a very poor job promoting her view. Bad questioner...asking bad questions, then not really hearing the responses.
@@carycunningham6588 I agree. She never actually bothered to listen to his answers and to try and grapple with them. It's so mind boggling that she doesn't even understand that he's actually criticizing the exact ideology she can't shake herself free from.
Peterson: I don't believe you should be viewing the world through a lens of "group identity is paramount."
Interviewer: So who's your favorite feminist?
@Patrick J Mims I think you're the one who needs to watch it again. Sheesh, the cognitive dissonance...
If I may...would you consider this...that what she was pulling was lower than attacking. I couldn't believe it at first but then it was so obvious..she was trolling him...and that's as cheap as it gets.
@simone - that's right. It's hilarious really. I'm sure she'd like to see herself as a radical and intellectual, and she doesn't realize that she's just coming across as thick and nasty. A poor man's Cathy Newman, I reckon.
The problem with this man is that he is so blisteringy intelligent he flies over most people's heads.
In the land of the one-eyed, the two-eyed man is crazy.
If he is so smart why did he back out of the Richard Wolff debate on Marxism, even going so far as to pretend not to know who Professor Wolff was?
"There was this professor... Richard Wolff, I believe? He responded to my comments on Marxism..." LMFAO
@@KrisVic91 he's the king of talking incoherently in circles.
@@MonkeyDIvan what a reach
@@JayandSarah if you can't comprehend what he's saying, just say that lol
It truly feels like she is so convinced of her own truth, that whenever she hears something that logically shows her ideas to be untrue, she just goes blank and just doesn't allow it to integrate into her believes and moves on to the next subject still wondering slightly what just happened a few moments ago and why it didn't go as she imagined.
Like when she asks "there's literature on gossip and innuendo?" Like she has no idea that is actually (like peterson says) "a well documented field". And you'd expect that after finding that out you'd reconsider what you said before that moment when you still thought he was just making this stuff up. But none of that. She just plows through without the slightest hint of actually having processed any of the answers she gets. It is an hour long of "I am right and I don't quite understand why my quest says different things than I expected but lets go on regardless"
Thank you CIA Ann
People have to stop trying to win an argument with Jordan and instead try to have a conversation with him. Interesting person with a lot to teach.
The problem is that the mainstream media are activists, not journalists. she wanted this interview, not to defeat Peterson, not to prove the far left justifiable. she wanted it so she could use him to stand atop her ivory tower and gain power from pushing him aside. not that she did, or could. she is here for woke points plain and simple.
So true. These journalists can't hope to match wits with people like JP. What makes them think they have a prayer?
if I may, I'll generalize your sentence:
SJWs have to stop trying to win an argument with people who actually know what they are talking about, and instead need to try and learn something from those people.
Yes!
The problem is that these journalists begin with conclusions about the people they interview and try to get interviewees to confirm the journalists conclusions.
The journalists already have their narrative, therefore have no need to really listen, or learn. They already believe that they "know" the facts based on their opinions.
Jordan has far more patience with passive-aggressive people than I do.
I am afraid of cancel culture. I have done bad things.
@@Grappapappa unless you're a big celebrity, i don't think you need to worry lmao
Passive aggressive is just a politically correct term for "you fight like a woman".
What you need to realise about passive aggressive people is that your anger/frustration gives them pleasure, don't let them see that they're getting to you and that will screw with them more than anything
@@GameGorillaYT You think only celebrities deal with passive aggressive people?? With a name like your I'd thought you'd be more wiser
Jordan Peterson is the essence of LOGIC! 🧠
Thanks!
She asked " Am I the average woman?" And got upset with an objective answer.
...like an average woman
If I was Jordan I would've answered "Do you feel like you are better than the average women?"
@@ObsoleteTutorials A bit too open ended. Leaves them a chance of recovery and doesn't force them to face the reality.
Guessing the rhetoric question and all the rhetoric answers are all coming from guys who consider themselves to be" average" men. Average misogynists, yeah :-)
@@Ounouh gold
Jordan Peterson is drawing while debating in this interview. The amount of respect I have for this man is through the roof
He's probably drawing a horrible accurate portrait of this woman. This woman is disturbingly disgusting
through the roof and off the charts
Haha, I just noticed that. JBP is an amazing man beyond any description that I have the capacity to write. Thank you so much for your dedication and honesty that is so evident to anyone watching.
The more complex one's mind, the more distractions it seeks while not being fully engaged. Fidgeting, drawing, playing with things, tapping fingers and a general restlessness are good signs of that.
Doodling
I am a man.. from Indonesia.. I listen and study from Peterson's lectures..
Guy from South Africa. Love the man and I'm inspired.
Every time he actually starts dismantling her assertions she changes the subject. CLASSIC manipulative practice. She is desperate to remain in absolute control of the interchange. Her goal is not to ask him questions and hear him answer, it is to force him to say what she wants him to say
Sounds like my relationship
Most telling when Jordan starts drilling down into the difficult question of how to regulate sexual behaviour at work. You can almost see the interviewer realising she is not going to pin anything on him and may well infact end up in a complex dialogue and wop change of topic.
Sociopaths
@@lukELfin All of the rhetoric and controversy over this feminism issue is part of a much deeper problem. But, it is the result of the constant bombardment and culture indoctrination saturating our society from the SJW Leftist and radical feminist. Who's main agenda is to spew out propaganda through educational institutions, TV/movie industry programming, commercials, and electronic mainstream media in order to indoctrinate young boys and "shame them" of their natural masculine traits & become effeminate_ more like girls, and tell young girls that their natural femininity has no value unless they become more masculine_ like boys to gain some notion of a perceived power which they must attain. Although, from their perspective, intentions are good. However, their noble efforts have become radicalized ideology which is ripping deeper & deeper at the bottom of the foundation of our Nation and society (the traditional family). It seems the radicalist structure, leftist politicians, and feminist won't be satisfied until we find ourselves living in a bizarro world with the sexes switched completely upside down. I think that only the delusional individual could believe that a world with a society like that would be healthy and thriving?
That must be why it seems like they can't close a topic, though Peterson does excellently at providing his thoughts.
The interviewer dramatically raised my blood pressure.
I think this was relatively tame xD
@@ZupaTr00pa well the absolute ignorance and straw manning she was trying to clutch was blood clenching
Then I dont recommend you watch the Cathy Newman interview, the Q&A with the australian politician or the debate with that NZ Professor of gender studies (whose face is btw extremely annoying).
This woman wrote an article in the evening standard titled 'The unvaccinated have become a lethal liability we can ill afford' dec 14th. Just thought you might want to know this to reinforce what a intolerable and toxic person she is. Not very compromising and agreeable at all.
@@ZupaTr00pa Yea I agree - it was no more or less aggressive than any debate I've seen, was done relatively respectfully even though they clearly disagree with each other on some stuff. Comparing this to the Cathy Newman thing is actually like night and day, THAT was hard to watch. This was more like...playing a game with debating strategies. It was a conversation that wasn't rife with talking over eachother/ad hominems/putting words into eachothers' mouths over and over
Well said ❤️
Where can I print a copy of JP's "notes" after this discussion?
I love how she has pages full of "gotcha" notes, and Dr. Peterson is simply drawing on a piece of paper, and yet she fails so spectacularly.
She is a perfect example of how ideology destroys the rational mind (if she ever had one).
" ideology destroys the rational mind" - that'a a great phrase and so very and depressingly true- not heard it put quite so succinctly - I'm going to us that one myself. Is it a well known quote or did you make it yourself ?
Average IQ ideologically indoctrinated feminist woman (who believes she is highly intelligent, but confuses education with intelligence) tries to take down non ideological well educated intellectual giant.
Epic fail for yet another feminist "intellectual".
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I saw that - he's apparently doodling. That woman is an insufferable infant.
I think the ideology creeps in when there's a certain void in a personality. This exact type, and so sorry to say it, but predominantly female, are usually having great sense of low self-esteem, insecurities of all kinds and self-hatred. Ideology helps to turn it into condescension, sense of supremacy and extremely narrowed mind.
She's grasping at straws so many times here. When she tries to mock him about how many dimensions there are... Jesus, she's so out of her league.
Ra Ra Raspoontang completely out of her league! It’s embarrassing! Like you’d think she’d at least have a handle on the must basic facts! But nada! E.g the percentage of feminist in London?!ffs! She didn’t even have an approximate figure! Ludicrous
She’s drowning and thinks she can breathe underwater.
Everyone except Sam harris is out of their league with him
@@brianfinnegan664 Watch JBP talk with Ben Shapiro. It is quite intellectually delighting. I would say even more than Harris.
@@burgemccole2243 it's not because they agree on too much. Harris and peterson is more interesting because they are of similar intellectual proficiency and have opposing views on god, religion, western culture, Atheism, morals etc, fascinating conversation, I love them both, and shapiro btw
His thought process is so clear it feels like watching a Laser speak
I love how at 49:50 he's doodling...we all know what that means...🤣
The frustrating part about all these interviews is how obvious it is the interviewers have a specific agenda but what’s encouraging is how much grace Dr Peterson shows while constantly being attacked.
I share the same sentiment this man is attacked and smeared and he handles it with such grace I don't think I can do it. She raises my heart rate just looking at her face
@@auturgicflosculator2183 Having a person who is continuously and maliciously trying to shove words into your mouth is a good enough excuse to lose it already. He was super patient.
@@auturgicflosculator2183 I don’t think you’re wrong at all. I also agree that he got visibly frustrated with her remarks. My point is that I think that was absolutely her intention,to get a rise out of him for views, and my praise of him is that though he was visibly becoming more irritated he never went after her like most of us might have.
@@auturgicflosculator2183 Honestly, the whole debate itself is malicious enough. Look at the amount of material she brought and how she ground every word he wrote in his book. This woman prepared for war and if Peterson has slipped even just one, it'd be a public execution.
The frustrating part is that journalists act like experts or even intellectuals. They cite articles written by other halfwit journalists, and pretend they are learned treatises.
JP is doodling on a piece of paper with his left hand.... while dismantling her life's work.
Ryan DESTROYS -click bait here- left hand?
I see a pen in his right hand.
@@jht3fougifh393 Can confirm
bcstractor lmfao how so?
bcstractor he actually doesn’t the says to live as though there is one. You must not really listen to what he’s said if you didn’t know that 🤔 instead of trying to insult make sure you at least have your facts straight.
Real equality allows that some people are less capable and some will fall on their face.
My “like” is for the clinical Masterclass Dr. Peterson put on here in facing passive aggressive vitriol. 😮💨 What an absolute legend. 👏
I love how she got outraged when he mentioned females tend to use verbal motions to attack someone's character rather than physical violence. And then as a woman tries to paint him as a provokator, a greedy money grabber, and some type of Male dictator. Oh the irony.
hehehehehehehe
Agree that her outrage at his observation was stupid, but there's no irony in her then trying to discredit him in various ways "as a woman". She's just a weak interviewer with a bias trying to catch him out all the time instead of exploring the points more deeply. Peterson's point was that women on average in the wider world tend to attack reputation because physical aggression is not an option to them. In the context of an interview with clear boundaries on physical aggression the playing field is obviously levelled and male interviewers pull the same kind of shit all the time. Surely you've seen it over and over?
precisely
hahahaha, exactly!
greyztone
It is ironic that she laughs at the idea that women do something more often while she’s doing it... I don’t see your point in saying this is not ironic...
Either rename the show or find a host who matches it.
Zzzingggg
yeah it's that thing where you have to tell someone that you're smart. because otherwise they'd never guessed it :)
AND have a slavish adherence to the preferred ideology? not possible.
Well said
Eighter rasp your claws or stop making comments on youtube videoes. that was SAVAGE.
If we could all think before and after we speak like this gentleman, the left and right would balance out in a hurry
4:52 how does he sound angry? He is calmly speaking.
Now this is a man of western culture.
A truly admirable gentleman.
Alex Martinovic god bless him too. He puts up with ALOT of bullshit, and yet comes out shiney armor and everything lol
Yes 🙌
Which western culture? There are many.
'Western culture, that's a great idea.'
Mahatma Gandi.
Noooo maan. This guy is a citizen of the world, respects and consults spiritual traditions witch 'western culture' does not. Yet
This woman is an energy vampires, I feel drained just listening to her.
Your comment is so on point!
I have been looking for words to describe how this woman made me feel, and you took the word right out of my mouth!
TQ~
@@simonking3949 Agreed! I wanted to write an essay of how irritating she is, but will maybe just go and do some drawing instead.
nailed it
This is one of the best comments I've read on this video 😂
Excellent example of nowadays journalism. We here not to ask you questions AND HERE THE ANSWERS, we here to push OUR agenda. Incredibly hard to listen to such interviews, where journalist doesn't give a guest to finish the answer.
22:25
Exactly. It’s like a flat head screwdriver and a cross head screwdriver. Both are screwdrivers but the small difference matters a lot. Yet both might be able to try to do what the other does. That’ll destroy the screw head eventually and/or the screwdriver.
This woman is infuriating. She interrupts him so much and changes subjects when she doesn't hear her desired answer to a charged question purposely posed for character defamation. This interview was both intriguing and disgraceful.
Well said!!
Its one of the wonderful characteristics of a fool. They expose themselves to the light and thus self destruct and free us all from their mindless, unproductive contributions. Don't worry - Jordan easily handles himself in these situations because of one simple fact: Critical thinking.
I was frustrated early on by Jordan's penchant for interrupting others--saying this as a Peterson fan--but she definitely went from fairly reasonable interlocutor to sleazy social tactician over the course of the interview, until she was absolutely greasy with railroading maneuvers and sidesteps to find a cross upon which he might be crucified.
@@davedoodles I dont find that he interrupts all that much.. he is a very good listener and I find that it's usually him that's interrupted.
Thank God Peterson is level headed. If that were me I'd want to revive the naval punishment of keelhauling her.
Holy hell. Where do they find these women. Like push push push for an answer. The halfway they cut him off and switch topics once they see won’t get him to say what they want. He is a patience guru. Love this guy.
EXACTLY. wow..
Dr Peterson says women and men have about the same IQ. Unfortunately women talk show hosts just dont cut it.
@@totalchaos290 It is not about the average, it is all about the standard deviation.
Men have a larger standard deviation in many traits. Even if the average is the same, a higher standard deviation means that men will be grossly overrepresented three standard deviations out on both sides of the distribution. This is probably the reason why most Nobel Prize winners in natural sciences are men or out of all self made billionaires only a handful are women.
It was more of a joke but Newman was way out of her league. Shes a hack shes just pushes her agenda and DR P put her down like the dog she is,
Well, that characterizational trait is precisely what makes up what a woman is, so...
I love how Jordan will say the most well thought-out and eloquently spoken point and the interviewer just completely ignores it and asks about something completely unrelated lmao
Peterson outclassed her at every step.
She doesn’t even let the man complete most of his responses. She wasn’t there to find out his views at all, it was more so to “catch” him in something that would connect her negative views of him as truth. She’s sickening
true, she was interviewing to vilify him
@@abhishekherCaptain Ahab hunting her great White Whale!!
Agreed, she was fishing and at the end, all she got was a big load of nothing. People like her is not interested in gaining knowledge. She's just trying to be the white knight of effenism and failing miserably. She however outed herself as an effenist ideologues and nothing more.
I see the same thing… we got to take the power back… Men and Women.”