ARCANE: Do Vi and Caitlyn fall in love too fast?
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- Caitlyn and Vi video essay: A deep dive into the timeline of the Violyn love story from “Arcane”. How much time goes by before they develop feelings for each other? Is it rushed through only one day of knowing each other or do they actually know each other for several days before they fall in love?
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Time is relative. For me, if two people do nothing but exchange small talk for several months before jumping into bed together, that's too fast. Frankly most film/TV couples only exchange a wink before they get there. Not my cup of tea.
But for Vi and Caitlyn, five days of saving each other's lives while working through their differences is plenty of time to develop attraction. People prove themselves through their actions. Vi and Caitlyn show their mettle to each other again and again. I don't find their attachment unrealistic at all.
Me neither 😊 They make perfect sense to me. Just wanted to silence those that say they've only known each other a day...
I agree, time is relative and people fall in and out of love at different speeds! And TV is pressed for time, like I said, all the boring stuff is left out! 😂
@@tildaowen I think that sometimes you may have a ton of time together, but it's maybe only a few really deep and meaningful moments for all the time.
@@elenaekanathapetrova2282 I agree, and basically all the moments we see between Vi and Caitlyn are meaningful. Existentially so!
@@tildaowen Exactly!
So, what they have is trauma bonding. That can be very fragile and lead to toxicity and abuse in a relationship.
Personally I think the whole concept of trying to discuss if two fictional characters fall in love "too fast" and it's "unrealistic" argument to not be very convincing. It is fiction and as long as people watching the show can feel the chemistry and the relationship/attraction makes sense in universe, I think applying real life logic of a romantic progression is kind of defeating the point of it being fiction.
I appreciate what you say, but what's the point of fiction if it doesn't relate to real life in many ways? We can't dismiss it just because it's fiction... That's basically saying we can't learn anything from it, and we definitely can! Among other things it's a way of processing real life through a filter (makes it easier to digest). Aristotle was the first to really explore and expound that idea.
Even fantasy and sci-fi are based on general "rules" (though how much or how strict differs from story to story) such as day/night, summer/winter, up/down, human emotions, clouds on the sky, good/evil, etc. If we didn't feel connected to them, why watch fiction at all?
I'm sorry if I went on a rant there, I'm an English teacher, you touched a nerve! 🤦🏼♀️😏
@@tildaowen Girl, I freaking love ya, can we be friends?! ✨
@@RuthParodies Sure, you've got my email... Or find me on Instagram? 1tildaowen 😊
@@tildaowen I think the fact that it's fiction over reality matters is that, unlike in reality where life moves on, you only really have so much time in fiction. Realistic love can't grow and happen organically when the story has to end in a matter of hours or days in universe. So them falling in love too fast or the romance being realistic kinda falls flag when you take into account that there's really just no tome for that unless it's the main focus of a fiction.
@@crimsoneclipse0618 Yes, I see what you both mean in that there are rules of storytelling, etc that determine fiction which don't apply to real life. All the boring bits aren't left out of our lives, for example, but they are in fiction, which I also say sth about in the video.
But people relate to characters in stories on a very real plane, and we have to buy into them as characters and believe that how they develop makes sense. E.g. if they start kissing after never touching each other and only arguing, it's much harder for the viewer to buy/understand/feel their emotions. Part of what makes them so intriguing to us is the fact that their progression towards each other feels real. So I definitely think we can look at them in terms of our world. Should we do it in the strictest sense? No. But holding them up to some real life rules make them all the more appealing as characters...
Oh, and I mainly made this video because so many commenters and video analysts said that their story only lasted for like a day, making it feel rushed. It's not rushed, both when it comes to the amount of time spent together and how their feelings develop naturally due to circumstances. 😊 I love them!
Take out the life and death struggle and I feel like by episode 8 Cait and Vi are basically at the "we both know we are interested but neither of us has drummed up the courage to say anything yet" stage. It's the life and death struggle, coupled with the real possibility that Cait knows she may never see Vi again after she walks away, that pushes them to voice it. Which to me always felt very natural. They didn't profess undying love to each other, but they clearly share both attraction and a bond at that point and Cait asks the question knowing she'd may never get another chance. I can't wait to see what S2 is going to bring for both of them.
I agree completely! That's how I see it too. The circumstances don't allow them room to process or emotional strength to get into voicing feelings yet. But yes, they have an inkling about each other and Caitlyn feels compelled to say something before Vi leaves. Then she processes in the shower!
I got my wife to watch Arcane. After the finishing (in 2 days!) the entire series, we were talking about characters, characterization, and relationships. I made an off-hand comment that everyone (based on comments on Arcade video analyses) admires how well it was written, including a gay relationship. My wife said "what gay relationship?" I responded with "Um, Vi and Caitlyn?" Her response was "Oh, yeah, I guess. It didn't think of it as a gay relationship, just two people in love" THIS is the magic the writing team made. Why does this relationship work for us, the viewers? Because it feels natural. So quick or slow, the timing was right.
Beautiful! ❤️ The way your wife reacted is similar to mine 😊 Caitlyn and Vi's journey is a story of love, not of homosexuality... But it IS wlw, which just adds an extra layer for me ❤️
@@tildaowen It's a sad reality that I can't truthfully appreciate how good it must be to have that extra layer written so well for you. Good writing and bad, I've been spoiled to have had the lion's share of on screen relationships fit for me. Here's hoping that this quality not only continues for this series, but overflows into others.
@@KnugLidi Thanks, things seem to be looking up in that area... I also really enjoy great love stories that aren't wlw, which my next video will show 😊
@@tildaowen OOF ! Now that's being a tease 😆
@@KnugLidi well, I do say who in my latest video: Rayla and Callum from the dragon Prince 😊
I don't think they fell in love too fast. Attraction happens quickly sometimes and they've saved each other, developed trust and genuine chemistry. We haven't seen them kiss yet or jump into bed without clothes, so I don't think so and I love this video!
Thank you, I agree! 😊
I thought the same thing the first time I watched the series because I missed two important moments in episode 7.
"My hero" is an awesome line but I think it distracted everyone from what happened right before and after it. Caitlyn is ready to sacrifice herself for Vi and Vi trust Caitlyn so much she tells Ekko (someone who also hates enforcers) he should trust her. They aren't strangers traveling together, they are partners now, ready to take risks for each other.
When Caitlyn says "this city needs healing", Vi clearly reacts. That's because she really cares about the Lanes and its inhabitants, she's not fighting just for her sister and herself. Caitlyn cares about others and helps everyone who needs help. Vi realized that at that moment and that resonates with her own personality.
In episode 9, Jinks says "I paid your girlfriend a visit this morning".
Yes, Vi and Caitlyn are used as the show's comic relief in a way, with the "my hero", the "but you're so sweet like a cupcake", "I'm an excellent shot" and when they get caught by Cassandra. It's beautifully done and I love it, I hope that part of their story stays in season 2, that it doesn't become too tragic (but I fear it 🙈). But yes, the humour makes some people overlook the further significance of those scenes somewhat...
Yes, that remark by Jinx supports my hypothesis perfectly, should have included that!
@@tildaowen Vi is the queen of sassy phrases and Caitlyn is funny because of her reactions to Vi and her environment.
The writers of Arcane greatest achievement (in general) is how balanced everything is. Vi and Caitlyn are funny but it always feels genuine. The rest of the cast also has its funny moments which is important.
I really hope S2 will have some tender moments between Caitlyn and Vi. After all the things they experienced, they deserve some love.
@@Morbacounet yeah, after Caits get her dose of origin story trauma like the rest of the characters. Rip momma Cait.
Aargh, yes I sincerely hope for some tender moments too, especially in the sorrow of Powder being lost in the madness of Jinx and Caitlyn's mother dying 🙈😭
@@tildaowen "the humour makes some people overlook the further significance of those scenes somewhat..." yup... Humor can be a defense mechanism when someone trying to hide feelings or if they cannot speak out it openly🤔 it works like that
Great video, just like all your others. This is something I've seen all too often, always directed at wlw relationships. "It happened too fast", "It came out of nowhere", There was no buildup". Certain people always find a way to dismiss, or minimize, these relationships. However, when it comes to a straight relationship, these same people proclaim that a man and a woman are in love after sharing one scene, often even just one look. The double standards are ridiculous.
I quite agree! There would be absolutely no doubt in anyone's minds that they were on the romantic path, or that it wasn't moving too fast, if either Vi or Caitlyn had been a man!
Not really. Being fast in straight relationships wrre also frowned upon. It is just that people don't care that much enough to voice it. I also pick my guys “too fast” and it is always a topic on friend groups so I know being too fast is always an issue and always an excuse to judge someone and were always brought up by someone single :) .
So don't use straight people to victimize gay-relationships.. it is tiring -.-
okay, first thing I gotta say, massive props to you for including timestamps of all the scenes you're talking about from each episode - as the first half of the video is very much about figuring out *how* fast/slow their relationship is developing this'd be extremely helpful for anyone who still has the timeline muddled :)
I hope ya don't feel you have to do that in general in these videos, as I imagine it's a bunch of extra mini headaches to find and add in all the times in post production :')
Thanks! Oh, it took some time, but I felt it was important to back up my words for this one... Will only do it if it's necessary! Thankfully the video wasn't that long for once! 😉
Very well done. Concise, thorough and convincing. The production team and cast convinced us of their love regardless of timeline. You’ve deduced and supported a “realistic” timeline for said love. The former is far more important, IMO. But good on you for “proving” the latter. Thank you, so much! I’d love to see more Arcane content before S2, but completely understand.
Thank you, and I agree completely! The emotional side of things is way more important (that's what I've been focusing on so far), I just got annoyed with people who dismissed their feelings for each other, because they'd only known each other "for like a day"... Hence this video! 😊
Oh, and I will most likely do more Arcane content before season 2, but I think I've covered Vi and Caitlyn now!
@@tildaowen Looking forward to whatever and whenever!
Oh well... just gonna have to watch the easy easy scene over and over till then
@@tildaowen stone the crows! I misinterpreted the end of the video as you having a hiatus on Arcane stuff til season 2, not just a hiatus of Violyn stuff! this is tremendous news! 😊though of course, go at the speed of inspiration and focus on what you're interested in, worry not about the demands of the commenters (myself included! 😅)
And the dragon prince? Intriguing... never heard of it but I like the art style :) I may well check it out, and I'll certainly see what you've got to say about it :)
In story writing, it doesn't matter "how many days" characters fall in love. A believable romance depends on how organically attraction and relationships between characters are developed by the writers; they aren't forced, they don't come from nowhere and they aren't attached to the side like a tumor instead of adding substance to the story. Another example of a couple with good chemistry and an organic relationship who fall in love "quickly" in an action movie is Jason Bourne and MarieKreutz in the hit film The Bourne Identity, because the show was subject to fantastic writing. Justifying whether Vi or Caitlin fell in love in two days or two years doesn't do anything to substantiate whether their relationship is viable or not to the audience, because it's ultimately about how believable the writing is.
Luckily, Arcane is subject to fantastic writers and a fantastic creative board. The arc and growth of Vi and Caitlin's relationship is consistent, organic, realistic and well integrated with the different plots happening around them, and the growth of their relationship is also substantial to the story as well (such as driving Jinx's jealousy). It also doesn't detract from or overshadow other parts of the plot, and isn't overly highlighted or exaggerated. They did a great job at showing the growth of their relationship and trust, which I'm sure they'll continue to develop as the show progresses in season 2.
I agree completely (and partly what all my previous videos are about) 😊 I was just annoyed with the people who dismissed their feelings because it "only lasted for about a day", which it didn't...
@@tildaowen I agree! I think you outlined it quite well in your video! I just think people who say "it moved too quickly" don't understand how media & film often works, because if these things in movies were truly "realistic", nobody would watch it
True!
I fell in love with a person that I knew for a one day, that was five years ago and we are still very happy in our relationship so I don't think that Cait and Vi fall in love too fast besides no one really said about being in love , right now we can just see that they both are attracted to each other and that's it
I agree completely! I just got annoyed with people who dismissed their feelings because they'd only known each other "for like a day"...
Do they even fully fall in love? Neither of them say they are in love, but it's totally realistic to develop romantic feelings very quickly for someone. Especially when they go through hardship together very early on. Struggle can bond people, and not just romantically (obviously that doesn't apply to Cait and Vi). Falling in love is very different from having romantic feelings for someone IMO. They definitely aren't "in love" but they sure have feelings for eachother.
Oh, I think they are "in love" in that they don't love each other deeply yet, but they're on that path, i.e. they're falling for each other. But no, not quite all the way yet! Vi is definitely struggling not to, because she feels she doesn't deserve that kind of love, especially from someone like Caitlyn... 😭
if u have to say you love someone is it really love true love is a show dont tell
@@tildaowenI agree
@@Betroid If you truly love someone, it doesn't require words, of course, but you definitely should speak them! Words can remove doubt and move mountains... And the two of them absolutely need to talk about their feelings season 2 imo!
So glad to see another video from you. Really appreciate your analysis of the interpersonal relationships between characters in the series. Your breakdowns of the partnership/ friendship and potential love between Caitlin and Vi are not only insightful, heartfelt and detail oriented but also pretty humourous.
Cait and Vi's relationship never comes across as fast or forced to me because, as you've carefully demonstrated for us here, it isn't like they were googly eyed head over heals for each other at any point in time and certainly not after being in each other's lives for the space of a weekend. In addition to this, they much like any other set of characters connect because they can and want to. The very human nature expressed through these animated fictional characters is so well written and portrayed. Given the tremendous amount of time and effort it takes to make a production like this, I think the writers/ concept artists/animators and directors are genuinely happy to see their work resonate with the audience in the many ways it has.
And if we are to get even an inkling of potential future love, they've done an excellent job of sowing the seeds for that and it's subtle and believable.
And to those who are still saying that it's moving too fast, dudes come on, neither of them has made a move on the other or even admitted that they're attracted to each other (aka "shouting it from the rooftops"). What they have is the ability to care about the well being of each other/ be close friends and there's nothing wrong with that. It's nice and if it develops into something more, whether that's romantic - platonic or romantic - intimate, I'm confident it will follow a natural course in what feels like due time.
Thank you so much! I agree, their relationship doesn't seem forced to me, developing naturally... I think definitely romantically so! But you're right, nothing has really happened with them yet, so it's not going too fast on any level... So much good writing and production, as you say, it's marvellous how they can feel so real and relatable! ❤️
i've seen enough people claim it's "too fast" and yet there's a very vocal minority enraged about the fact they didn't do enough (people who are upset they didn't kiss) so the truth is probably that it's just the right timing.
also. i know many people compare this to an average everyday life relationship but most of us didn't live through the same circumstances so we can understand it. if they were starting to fall in love after 5 days in which they only texted each other and maybe gone on a date at the mall, maybe that would feel a bit dramatic. but most people don't get out of prison after 8 years in solidarity and then go through 5 days of almost dying a bunch of times and catching up on family and friends you havent seen all this time. the emotional state of vi especially can definitely explain this quick attachment, and caitlyn herself is shown to be extremely closed off with almost everyone around her up until meeting vi. idk, it makes sense that they latched onto each other like that
Yeah perfect timing is what it is
I agree with you completely! The circumstances play a bigger part in their story than time... I just got annoyed with people who dismissed their feelings because they'd only known each other "for like a day"...
I think you're right about it being just the right timing. The point you make about comparing them to a real life courtship is interesting because on the one hand, I think a lot of the people complaining about them moving "too fast" are definitely not taking the life or death circumstances, and how this tends to cut through all the social posturing BS, into account. Vi and Caitlyn aren't worrying about whether they're answering each other's texts too soon, they're trying not to die, and sharing that kind of experience with someone shows you who they are at their core very quickly. It makes sense that they would bond over a short period of time in those circumstances.
On the other hand, I think there is another group of fans who take their own real life experiences and apply them to Caitlyn and Vi in a way that *does* fasttrack their relationship progression to some degree, which is how you get fans insisting that they must have kissed and had sex and basically had a mini relationship offscreen already and then broke up after the Council meeting! Yes, many of us have met someone we liked and felt drawn to them quickly, but these characters are involved in dire circumstances that don't apply to most of us, and neither of them was portrayed as "looking for love" prior to meeting each other. They're together for reasons that have nothing to do with romance or even friendship. Just as they didn't "fall in love too fast," they're not "practically girlfriends" already, either! They shared a couple of nice moments with strong romantic overtones, and then Vi chose her sister again (though I think she also saw some of those decisions as protecting Caitlyn at the same time).
So yeah, the truth lies somewhere in the middle of those extremes, and the writers got it just right. I think the animators erred on the side of "more is more" with them because they wanted to make sure even the really dense viewers understood the romantic coding, but the way the animators punched up the Vi and Caitlyn moments compared to the scripts may have come on a little *too* strong for some and caused them to overinterpret certain moments and fasttrack the relationship's progression. (I also think many of the fans insisting they moved too fast are taking their cue from the fans who actually did fasttrack the relationship, rather than from the more level-headed fans who realize that they care about each other but haven't fully expressed or acted on it yet.)
@@jubimadethis5167 Excellent points, and I think I've heartily agreed with you about just this train of thought elsewhere in my video comments... The writers got it right, it's beautifully done, but I actually don't think the animators overdid it a little. Because there are still viewers that don't get the romantic connotation until "what about us"... The general story of Arcane is so good, there are so many interesting plot lines and characters to keep track of, which distracts the viewer... But you and I (both analytical nerds and into wlw stories) see it right away!
I think the problem lies with the handling of tweets by certain writers as well as shippers from the game, who desperately want them to have their relationship confirmed unequivocally... And I get it! I'm so excited for it to come to its fruition, and that's due to the excellent writing... 😊
@@tildaowen I do think the animators overdid it a little in some instances, but I also think the tradeoff was worth it in terms of having the majority of fans understand the romance angle and be on board with it! Trying to tell a wlw romance that the majority of the audience will recognize as such is not an easy task, so they had to overinterpret the scripts a little to get through to the viewers who wouldn't otherwise have understood, which then oversold it to some of the que*r viewers who are accustomed to reading a lot more into a lot less. I don't fault the animators at all. There was no perfect way to do it, but I think they came as close as anyone could!
I just want to compliment this video and this channel. The attention to detail in these videos is amazing, and reveals the attention to detail that the creators of Arcane put into making it as well. I usually don't notice details in fiction at this level. Part of that is that I'm not very observant, but part of it is that most fiction doesn't care about details this much. Too little that does is lucky enough to have observant, talented analysts dig into it. I watch and read a *lot* of media analysis and after discovering this channel and watching through everything, I can't think of anything else that has altered (and improved) my perception of media this much with such a comparatively small body of work. I don't agree with every single interpretation but I feel like I'm discovering new ways to engage with Arcane, and with stories in general, with every new video that comes out.
Thank you so much! That makes everything I do worthwhile! Arcane blew me away with the great story, animation and character development, but once I started digging the level of detail, foreshadowing and parallels and contrasts was staggering and ever expanding. I still see sth new after this much time... All seconds of the entire season has been gone over with a fine tooth comb by the writers and the animators, it's amazing...
I like analysis like that, seeing how the small detail can deepen our perception of the whole. And no, I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I'm glad I could shine a light on it for you 😊
Caitlyn and Vi fell in love due to the trauma they both shared together. Also the crew did talk about some stuff about season 2 in the last episode of bridging the rift.
Lots of things factor into it, yes 😊 Lots of teasing but nothing clear about season 2 in the documentary, aargh!
@@tildaowen They talked about ending the main storyline in season 2 and exploring more places in Runeterra. Not sure if that means they will make another series taking place in League world or if they will start a new storyline in season 3 at a different place.
@@selvarajagop4739 Yes, I got that too, but nothing about where the story from season 1 would go. But they wouldn't do that! I think it's great that they end it after two seasons, that means that they developed the whole storyline before season 1 ended, thereby keeping the story and the writing consistent and top notch! 😊 I hate shows that start well and then continue indefinitely (in order to make money), the writing getting worse and the plot increasingly inconsistent...
@@tildaowen yeah 100 percent agree
Extreme situations cause extreme emotions and when you put your life into another's hands for survival you can expect some extremely quick bonds to be created... the way these bonds are shaped depends heavily on the people involved
Exactly! Because they're together all hours of the day constantly in mortal danger... That reveals who people really are very quickly, so they also find out sooner than otherwise what the other is truly like deep down. And they like it! 😍
@@tildaowen The way Vi & Caitlyn's bond is shaped in my honest opinion is the fact that both of them are starved emotionally. Vi due to years in prison where all she has was herself to rely on and Caitlyn because she's alone with her mother who seems to have taught her stiff upper lip her entire life when she wants an emotional out where she's free of restrictions.
Yes, they're both starved of something, but where I agree that for Vi it's about being love and touch starved, but for Caitlyn I think it's something else. She has Jayce and her father. What she is starved of is purpose in life, making sth of herself and doing good. And she lacks someone like Vi who is a peer in several ways (age, principles, mental strength, intelligence, etc) and who doesn't molly coddle her (she hates that)... They complement (complete?) each other 😍
"Another one of my ramblings about Violyn" Woman I would HAPPILY listen to you ramble about anything haha, keep it up.
Ha ha, I'm glad you like them, thanks 😊😂
This is really good; I really enjoy how systematic and logically you've broken this down to count the days that passed, and I totally agree that I don't feel their relationship developed too quickly.
I do want to add though, that the sheer intensity of their shared experiences over those five days, including saving each other's lives means that one would expect a deeper and stronger friendship to form more quickly than usual anyway.
Also, and this is something I feel is probably easily overlooked, Caitlyn and Vi are actually peers to each other (although maybe not initially) which is a new experience to both of them. Up until this point, I don't think either character had ever actually experienced having a peer, and a team member in this sense.
For Vi, in all her previous relationships, she is either responsible for the other people (as with Powder, Mylo, Claggor, and Ekko) or they are responsible for her (her parents and Vander). And for Caitlyn, she's got her controlling mother and her father (both authority figures), she's got Jayce who seems to be more of an older brother figure to me, and she stands apart from her colleagues. Not to mention the added complication of her being from a very prominent, upper-class family (I think you actually spoke about this in another video).
Having only recently experienced a relationship myself for the first time with someone that I could truly consider my equal or peer, and also a team member, I can't express enough just how intoxicating that experience is (all my relationships up to this point in my life were actually a lot like Vi's). I could never have imagined the impact and the difference it makes to have that sense of "having each other's backs" rather than, "I have to look after them" or "they have authority over me", and I'm not sure it can be properly described without having experienced that contrast oneself. My friendship with this person also became very deep very quickly, and we weren't spending as much time together.
Sorry for the long comment, and I hope that made sense.
Thanks! And I agree with you, it makes sense to me what you say! Did you watch my other videos? I talked more about that side of things in those... 😊 Being each other's equals and peer also age-wise is part of what makes them click.
@@tildaowen I have watched more of them in the meantime, and I'm really impressed with your analyses, especially with your attention to the more subtle things and the nuances of these characters. I feel like you've noticed things and explained them in ways that a lot of others haven't. Can't wait for more of your videos, they're super interesting and an absolute joy to watch :)
@@anaisrussell6090 Thank you very much! 😊
Counting days isn't necessary. "Movie time" works on a different time scale so _everything_ develops faster, including relationships. Jack and Rose for instance knew each other for like a few days before the ship went down but we just accept it as a movie convention that they fell in love in that short time. And there are countless examples of movie heroes "getting the girl" after what appears to have been a few days to a week at most. We just mentally fill in the blanks and accept it. Frankly it's usually queer relationships that gets most of the scrutiny and criticism over how quickly people fall for each other.
I couldn't agree more! That's the convention with couples in film and TV. But the writers of Arcane actually took their time creating a very straightforward and strict timeline, so that has to mean sth. More importantly, as you say, same sex couples are under scrutiny, so I wanted to silence those that used time as an argument against them... "only for like a day" started to annoy me, so I proved it's not...
I always consider "They fell in love too soon" to be unserious criticism. Ask someone who works at a Las Vegas wedding chapel whether it's "realistic" for two people to fall in love over the course of a few days. Additionally, shared traumatic experience is one of the strongest bonding mechanisms. Firefighters, police officers, and soldiers quickly form lifelong bonds akin to "love" even though it is a non-sexual love.
I agree completely! It's definitely the circumstances that push the envelope. I just wanted to silence those that say they've only known each other for about a day...
People who marry in Vegas after knowing eachother for less than a day don't do well long term.
5:44 damn why ya gotta make your analyses such a poetic endeavour :'D
Hahaha, can't help myself, apparently! 😁
Great deductions, and you put the video together super well. Thanks for making all this!
Thank you, you're very welcome! 😊
I just wanted to say I love rewatching your videos and I'm always looking forward for the next ones because they go in so much detail about Cait and Vi (two characters that I think are usually overlooked in terms if character analysis for Jinx and Silco for example) and you explain so well all your points and AAAAAA as a bisexual woman with a girlfriend (who can see many aspects of our relationship in them) it makes me so happy to see another sapphic analyze them in such beautiful precise detail 🥹
Ty so much for your work!! I cant wait to see what you will say when the next session drops !! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much! I'm so glad you think my videos are worth rewatching! 😊 And yes, there are two sides of me present in these videos: 1) The English teacher who is in awe of the depth of writing, of the skill within narrative and cinematic techniques which is present in Arcane, and 2) The lesbian who resonates deeply with Vi and Caitlyn's story and characters ❤️ I can't wait for season 2 😍 And there are two more videos in the works, but be patient, I'm a little busy with Christmas, etc (being a single mother and all...) 😉🎄
Wow thank you so much for this lovely video! It weaves quite a clear timeline throughout each of the moments of day and night in Piltover, so again thank you for making it so clear :)
Thank you, you're very welcome 😊
I actually felt the relationship development was quite reasonable.
I had this argument against people wanting it to have progressed further. Some used the argument of Jayce and Mel - which is dumb. Jayce and Mel were adults when they met and had known each other and been prominent in each other's lives for years.
As you acknowledged, there is an immediate physical attraction which is clearly shown through physical and verbal reactions (and, being animation it can't be argued to be accidental/incidental - every single one of those lip looks, lip bites and eye flutters were 100% intentional, and beautiful *chef kiss*). In that time circumstances force them to learn a lot about each other, very fast. Their values are proven in a way a lot of people never get the chance for, and happen to align with each other. Caitlyn, at least, learns a lot about Vi's history, good and bad very quickly. They also have a lot of chances to put their money where their mouths are. Again their personalities and values align and click. Forging a mental and emotional connection. Them having fully committed, kissed, hooked up, etc would have been against their characters - they both had goals completely separate from each other that were really important and time sensitive. But a strong connection with the possibility of more acknowledged by them both is perfectly reasonable.
To me their relationship felt very realistic.
I agree completely with everything you said! They just click, but they need the time to see their real selves. Their actions in those dire circumstances speak louder than words too! And as you said, their prime objectives are elsewhere, so them hooking up already would absolutely feel forced!
Besmudged...and lovely. Clean...and lovely. HAHA, I sincerely agree. I just wanted to say that I've watched nearly all of your videos and I'm astounded by your attention to detail, your interpretations, and your wonderful narration. Oh, and the humour! Thank you for all of them, they're so enjoyable to sit down and watch.
Thank you so much, you're very kind!, 😘
Good summary! I definitely feel like shared trauma bonds people together as well so 5 days of what they had to go through is definitely enough for them to fall in love.
Excited that you’re branching into other shows :) I love Rayla from The Dragon Prince!
Thank you! Yes, Rayla is amazing! And I feel the connection between her and Callum is so well balanced. But I'll get to that! 😉
Great timeline review! This finally clarifies things
Thanks! 😊
I'm so glad you make these videos!
Thanks a lot 😊
I adore these videos, always a welcome sight in my feed
Thanks, I'm glad you like them 😊
I was surprised that you added another video. Because the last time we chatted in the comment section, you needed to rest after the last video. But I'm glad you made this one. When I saw it, I was really interested to see what's it about. Thank you for clearing the air on the topic of Violyn going to fast on their relationship. You have given us new insight and information about them. It's remarkable. And I can't wait to hear you talk about the Dragon Prince; especially Callum and Rayla, and season 4 coming this November 2022. Thank you so much Tilda Owen.
Thanks for the vote of confidence! I suddenly got a little too annoyed with the too fast comments, so I made this. I'd already done the research earlier out of curiosity, so it didn't take long for me to do. Also a third of the length of my previous two videos! So it only took me about two weeks to make...
Yes, am excited about the new season of the Dragon Prince, I really like the Rayla and Callum relationship!
Also, the night of the tea party, Jinx announces that she visited Vi's girlfriend that same morning.
Right! Thanks 😊
always love to see your analyses and I'm SO excited for hearing about TDP!!! the new trailer today has me bouncing off the walls
Thank you! Yes, I saw that too, exciting! Is there any news on when it airs? I can't seem to find that information...
@@tildaowen they just announced the release date for season 4: nov 3rd!! I'm so excited!!!
@@mailebarry466 yes! Me too!!
Here as soon as I saw the notif :)
Great video, I'm really enjoying your incite into this show.
Thanks a lot! 😊
OMG IT'S HAPPENING! EVERYBODY STAY CALM! OMG OMGOMGOMG I SAID STAY F&$%ING CALM! 😄
welcome back Tilda😊In case it wasn't obvious, I'm keen to see whatcha got to say about Arcane on this fine autumn day (I tried to think if there was anything I could add to the conversation with your last video but ngl you kinda covered everything really damn well so I had diddly squat to contribute other than "ye, you tell 'em!")
😂😂😂 I like you! You're funny
Hey I really love your channel^^ You remind me of Rebecca Rose videos. I really enjoyed watching them, keep this up!! 😸😸
Thank you so much! I don't really know who she is, but I'm sensing a compliment 😉 I'm working hard on another video as we speak (slow going, though...)
I want to hear every thought you have on every scene in this show now. Maybe I fell in love too fast with your videos
😂😘 Working on it...
Another amazing video! Gosh I love your channel so much. Also, there’s one little thing I want to add that confirms what you assumed but weren’t sure about with when Caitlyn was having her shower. During the tea party, Jinx says “I payed your girlfriend a visit this morning” confirming that it was morning :)
Thank you! That comment totally confirms my hypothesis, should have added it! 😊🤦🏼♀️
No more need to be added! Very good analysis. For me it is also annoying that people talk about the relationship going too fast. Good that you pointed out these, the passing of the days is done very consistently by the writers but people tend to not focus on it.
Thank you, yes that annoying habit was why I made the video (that and the fact that I love Violyn ❤️)
Another great video...and yet again more minor details discovered...i would much love more Violyn and Arcane. The video was the only thing that was "Too fast", wished it was longer lol...
Thank you! Yes, it's a short video, but I'm fast running out of things to say about them... I don't want it to be like beating a dead horse! But I don't think I'm done with Arcane, more of that to come before season 2. And other things too, trying to expand a little 😊
@@tildaowen well lets hope season 2 revives the poor horse 😂...and since i fairly enjoyed The dragon prince, I'll be looking forward to those videos as well.
Cool 😊 And I definitely think there will be things to comment in season 2!
Good day to you, dear Tilda Owen!!! It's always a blessing to hear/see from you again (can you even say that?).
My first OTP being Leorai from TMNT 2003, I always had impossibly hight standarts regarding relationship and character development on screen (which is ironic, 'cause Leorai never made it to being canonic and Karai's character arc was ruined). I always wanted them to have enough time to change their perspective, opinions, have their mental and/or existential crisys. It seemned unnatural and forced to me when character tie a knot after, what, 1,5 hours of screentime?
This is another reason why I loved Violyn so much. They made me feel like I haven't felt in a long time, the pure fascination, exitement and this bittersweet pain in the chest. I'm an emotional gal, sure, but it's hard to make me feel *physical* pain and go over and over one small scene taking its every detail. This vid actually allowed me to pose a question: why time never mattered when it was about Vi and Caitlyn.
And I thought of the last scene where they are one, united by the feeling of dread, fear and loss, with no barier in between. There will be guilt, accusations, more pain, twisting changes and anger but right now, when they hold each other and cry they are one and they defeated prejudice, hate and class difference. They broke a wall no government was able to. And... it's someting affection and care do, don't they? They break walls and built connections.
Well, speaking of the video, of the documents shinannigans, to be exact. I always thought Caitlyn copied Jaycr seal without the need to return. She was able to restore Jinx's monkey though she saw it once - before being blown up, may I add. So it seems possible she memorized Jayce's seal after reading the assigment he gave her. But then, I never payed attention Caitlyn has protocol "stencil" (or how is it called) paper. Is it possible she had some on her (or memorized???) since Markus would have been interested in keeping her behind the desk and out of his business? Idk and it's frustrating.
Speaking of frustration, I think I managed to fish out some(?) information about Kiramman family old business. I don't know if you remember or if it's still relevant, but my friend told me to read stuff on LoL site or ask other players. It seemed Kirammans used to make locks and keyes (and their creast reference this), but I need to double check this info. I didn't know there to share it, here or below the video it was talked about.
And to say my goodbye... Rayllum??? So, do you mean my favourite essayist whom I found out due to analyzes about my favourite character and favourite OTP is making the new analysis about my other favourite character and couple????? Damn, You know how to make the worst days brighter.
It was a great video! Thank you for posting, dear Tilda Owen! Stay safe!
Hi Король. Thanks for your message, I didn't reply right away, and your comment disappeared from my notice, sorry... I'm glad that we both have Arcane and The Dragon Prince in common, Rayllum is a great love story, but season 4 kind of ruined that development a little bit! Not only did it break one of my favourite couples up, but the characters also seem regressed from former seasons. They act juvenile and frankly dumber! It's as if their understanding of love, each other, personal interaction and empathy has deteriorated significantly. I swore at the TV numerous times (and not only with Rayllum, but with Claudia and Terry, Janai and Amaya too!).
Anyway, back to Arcane :-) I agree, time doesn't really matter with Vi and Caitlyn, their progression feels natural and fluid. I just wanted to silence those people who said they'd only known each other for a day or two! And yes, quite like Rayllum they break walls and buld connections! They cross the great divide in the most natural fashion, imo.
About the forged document, I stick to my theory that she has to go somewhere to get it. The thing is with seals, for them to be official, it has to be a stamp of some kind, you can't draw it with a pen. Of course Caitlyn knows Jayce's seal (she's known him for years, and it's hanging everywhere topside), but she doesn't run around with his seal stamp in her pocket, imo... As for restoring the Jinx monkey, she took a picture of it on the hatch in the bombed airship earlier. This is what she sits with in her hand in her room and this is what she has glued into the notebook she brings to prison. It enables her to recognise the writing on the wall, so to speak, in the square before the bomb goes off. So yes, she's quick, but she has her sleuthing tools with her. Just not a stamp for forging documents, I think. But you never know, Marcus does say that he's used to her fiddling with the rules...
Fantastic analysis and video! I really like how you dissect every little detail. And your little sighs and noises towards Caitlyn are hilarious (and completely understandable)
I like to think that Cassandra is saying both things to Cait with that nod: "go (after her) and well done here"
I also think it makes perfect sense the way they fall for each other. I've had experiences with people in about four days time (being almost exclusively together in that time frame), and you do make VERY strong connections, especially when profound emotions are shaken and involved (even tho mine wasn't romantic, but I can totally see why it could).
I completely agree with your take that nothing has happened yet between them (no kiss nor sleeping together). If it had, they would have shown it, just like they did with Jayce and Mel.
The only thing that makes me think that it might have been even a bit more than 5 days since they met, is Jayce's comment on the council meeting saying "we've been talking about talking for WEEKS now" or something along those lines. What do you think he was referring to?
Thank you so much, I'm glad you like it! And who knows what Cassandra is hinting at precisely, but approval is definitely there, primarily of Caitlyn. Whether it is of Caitlyn's work or Caitlyn's choice of partner are equally plausible, but my interpretation from the video stands, my money is on "good job" 😊
And omg, you're right, Jayce totally says "for weeks"! Either that is a plot hole (unlikely, Arcane is masterful) or Jayce exaggerates for emphasis (my money is on this interpretation). Or longer time has gone by... But then the rest of the timeline just doesn't fit, does it? Well spotted!
@@tildaowen I actually think you did a magnificent job with the timeline, and it makes perfect sense. So yeah, he probably exaggerated
@@Rouo24 Thanks a lot 😊
Tilda talking about Caitvi? Instant like.
As always, great video and I appreciate the notes about Cupcake looking lovely whether dirty or clean😁 Because it's true.
I don't watch TDP but I recognize who those characters are. Honestly I'll be sad if this is your last Caitvi video before season 2. I honestly don't know what else you could talk about them till then, but I appreciate each and every video you've done on them❤
Thank you Tilda.
Thank you, you're very welcome ❤️ Well, taking a break from sth and then coming back sometimes reveals new facets, so maybe we'll see... And the Dragon Prince is good, just not as good as Arcane (but let's face it, nothing is!). It's worth a binge!
@@tildaowen I agree. With Arcane you never know.
I have a sibling who has watched at least season 1 of The Dragon Prince because it was said to have some Avatar: The Last Airbender vibes. And I know there are some who worked in ATLA that work on TDP.
My sibling said the show was pretty good. And to be honest I was curious at first and wanted to give it a try. But I'm so busy with my job, watching other shows, watching videos, and playing videogames that I seriously haven't got the time to care in watching TDP😅
But I know it's a well recommend show. Oh, I doubt it's as good as Arcane xD But thanks anyway :)
@@psgamer-0199 well, it's my daughter who alerted me, so I started watching with her until I just said, "aw, hell" and binged the whole thing... And then I did it again... And then I started focusing on certain parts (that I'll look at in my video), but what happened then? Arcane! That cleared my board! 😂
@@psgamer-0199 oh, and it gets really good in season 2 and 3...😉
@@tildaowen Sounds cool. Thanks again for the recommendation :) I'll keep in mind try to watch the show whenever I have the time.
It's been so long I've missed you.😊
Glad to be missed! 😊
Wow, great detail following the days through the show. Her parents reaction makes more sense than just her sneaking out for the night.
Yes, exactly! They've been waiting for news for almost four days!
Not love yet maybe but definitely kismet and potential. Sharing danger and relying on each other and sharing stories, how can you not feel something? So IMO, it really wasn't too fast. Very good breakdown and keeping track of the time in the show!
Thanks a lot, I agree with what you say 😊
They fall in love very, but not *too* fast, even though they fell in love at the speed of light.
Two words: Trauma Bonding ( their lifelong held perspectives are changing.)
Yup, that's definitely part of it!
Hi Tilda!! Loved this video,!! Yep , they falling for each other make total sense as you have pointed out in your previous Violyn videos (I like this ship name 🥰). They learned to trust each other, Vi learned that not all topsiders are empty and cruel people, and Cait learned about all the suffering and despair in the undercity. It is like The Happy Prince and the Swallow from Oscar Wilde. The Prince never knew how the life outside his palace was until he was able too see it when he died through his statue, and then the swallow came and allowed him to help his people . It Is a wonderful tale though hopefully the end for Cait (the prince) and Vi (the Swallow ) will be more positive.
Thanks! I like your Wilde parallel! Unfortunately, I'm not sure there'll be a better ending! 😭 But if I were to guess (as objectively as I can) about what story elements get a semi good ending it would be Vi and Caitlyn. I don't see a happy ending for: Jinx and Vi, Viktor, Jayce and Mel, Jayce and hextech. Oh, maybe Ekko could have a good ending? 🤞
@@tildaowen I have the same feeling too, hopefully for them there would be a sort of good ending , in the game they live and work together . I want Ekko to become the new leader of Zaun, but there is a big mafia to fight there. For the rest I agree that is not gonna be easy.
An informative and explanatory video! You're quickly becoming a memorable content creator! Or should I say "too fast" haha! I always like to see these girls under your spotlight, no matter how many videos you'd make on them.
I've seen young people "falling in love" at a line in some coffee shop! Where is the line that things becoming "too fast" when reached in these days, especially with the new generation? And Arcane isn't going to be one of the shows which stretches to about 12 seasons either, so things should go in a bit faster pace than normal. Also, these girls didn't see each other while doing some grocery shopping. The story between them felt so right to me, never thought about how fast or forced it was (since the show isn't around their relationship, I actually didn't even think about it at first). It just fits!
Ha ha, yes, I'm moving too fast... 😂
I agree, their story fits and feels natural. People fall in love at different speeds and under different circumstances. They didn't date, go to work, go grocery shopping or watch a football match, so naturally they see parts of each other that push them in a certain direction.
@@tildaowen You have a bigger crowd now, perhaps it's better to move faster haha! Wish the Owen Oven Enterprise all the best!
Thank you, you're a very loyal subscriber! 😘
Having a larger following and moving faster is nice, but in certain areas I feel taking your time is the right thing to do. Bake it just the proper amount of time for the cupcake to come out just right... 😉
@@tildaowen Of course! One can only be loyal to our Danish Caitlyn!
And yes, making quality content will take time. Most of the subscribers probably knows that too, since Arcane bring us together. If anyone craves more Arcane (or Cait-Vi) stuff, your content is filling and rewatchable enough to satisfy the needs.
@@thndrr Thanks 😘
please make more arcane analysis videos i still cant get over this show😭
Oh, I will, they will just not be about Vi and Caitlyn before season 2... (maybe) 😊 And neither can I!
You can argue it's too fast but not unnatural. Not much of a psychologist but when two people experience intense emotions with each other and situations happening so quickly around them you do tend to form stronger connections faster as a result.
I agree, extreme conditions take all other considerations away, cutting to core values, which means they get to the truth of each other more quickly. And I still don’t think it’s too fast, together all day for that many days makes people get to know each other too!
@@tildaowen can't wait for your season 2 content
@@mikaelaslaveykova2102 Thank you, there’ll definitely be some! 😊
Your analysis videos are always interesting. With such solid evidence presented in this video, I’m sold on the five days conclusion. Just funny that when you confidently said that they’ve known each other for 5 days I was like, how did you know for sure? Guess I never paid attention to the day and night cycle when watching arcane 😅. Your attention to detail is excellent!
Heck, with Caitlyn being so yummy I wouldn’t be surprised if you fell for her at first sight 😉
Thank you so much! Gotta do it right, or don't do it at all!
No, I didn't fall in love with Caitlyn until the shower scene, and then I fell really hard! Before that I was more into Vi and their connection, and episode 7 with Jinx vs Ekko was a high point. The shower scene blew me away, also my first video!
Thanks for the video, it is beautiful.
Just wanted to add a personal note, as I've been thinking about this question for a while.
The day I met my wife for first time I told my sister in the evening "I met this person today, and I will marry her one day". After a 9 years relationship, we got married 3 years ago :)
I had forgotten this fact and my sister reminded me in the day of our wedding. (Never forget again lol)
So NO they didn't fall in love too fast cause you actually CAN fall in love really fast if you meet the right person
Absolutely! When I met my ex wife we had the girlfriend talk after a week, moved in after a month and married after 8 months and had 5 great years together. So it does happen 😊 But Vi and Caitlyn meet as enemies, they have huge obstacles in their backgrounds that they have to cross in order to properly connect, so it's not as easy for them... But the circumstances, the time frame, their similar values and their obvious attraction makes it very believable and realistic to me 😊 And SO romantic! 😍😍😍
Thanks for your story, sounds wonderful! And I'm glad you like my content 😊
Oh my gosh I LOVE your accent
Thanks ❤️
Extenuating circumstances allow feelings to rapidly develop to people. While such a short time may not be enough to let you know if you want to spend the rest if your life with them since you don't really know them, or whether those feelings will last as you do get to know the person better, it's indeed enough for people to fall in love.
Very good point, you can fall in love easily within few days, and it can become deep very quickly. But whether it is the kind of love you want to build your life around will take more time and knowledge 😊
Heey, welcome back! I don't think it was too fast. If I were trapped in a concrete box for a decade, I'd probably do the same with the first person I come across especially if it happens to be someone like, you know, caitlyn.
Unrelated, but you might enjoy a fun animated video titled "is Caitlyn gay or European" as a fellow Cait enthusiast.
Also, I'm looking forward a tea party vid because it needs more attention overall. One thing I noticed is the crows. There are crows everywhere in Arcane. Jinx keeps shooting them, and especially there is a "murder" of crows in the background during the scene where she kidnaps everyone for tea party. Crows are a symbol of change and adaptability and also bad luck. She keeps shooting them in previous acts, resisting change, and crows keep following her.
Her fight on the bridge with Ekko is a firelight vs crow which can be seen behind the two. She again ends up shooting the crow, not a literal crow this time but herself as she tries to kill the Jinx part of herself as Powder. We don't see Powder after that, she gets the shimmer upgrade and it worsens her condition. She also proves this resistance by lighting up the flare Vi gave her years ago, proving that even after all those years all she wanted was her sister to find her. During the tea party scene, though, the crows are all gathered on the roof of the building as if waiting for something important to happen, a decision. Finally, she sits at the "Jinx" chair, which is decorated with the crow feathers she collected from the ones she shot if you look closely. She finally accepts change, as Jinx, and the hope of getting Powder back is gone.
She even uses crow feathers to bookmark the pages of arcane book while weaponizing it. The same weapon and magic that started all the change, including the birth of jinx. Crow of change and also bad luck. Her choosing Jinx is accepting the crow, accepting change and accepting her bad fate. Ironically, she is the only person who accepts change willingly while others have to come to terms with it through forcing it.
Been a long comment, but would like to hear your thoughts about that (or not if you're already making a vid about it). Have a nice day Tilda!
Hi Raven (or crow? 🤔😉). Yes, I'm back sooner than anticipated!
Very nice interpretations of the crows circling Jinx. If I were to make a Jinx video, I would definitely look into that (and steal some of your ideas 😉). The crows are absolutely symbolic for all sorts of things, as you say, especially bad luck, which is her name. But also death, they're the harbingers of death (like the raven) and Jinx definitely brings about death and distruction!
I'll check out the vid, thanks!
@@tildaowen oh it wouldn't be stealing though, I'm just pointing at things other people made in a piece of art. I'm pretty sure there are other people who came to the same conclusions on their own, so take it as you wish!
'besmudged', Tilda you are pure class. I love watching your mini-obession. (its mine too)
🤣🤣 Busted! Thank you, I try! 😉
So glad to see another video. I haven't watched it, yet, but want to just say, "No." Now, I'll watch. Thanks for this.
I'm with you on that "no", but I had to make it sort of catchy, didn't I? 😂😉
Just imagine how many two hour dates are in 5 whole days
Well, that's what happened with my wife, it just took us three days over the span of a week to decide to be an item...
See I think people bond faster when they deal with hardship. The fight with Sevika, escaping Silco, being captured by the Firelights, and enduring the bombing on the bridge? It makes sense that the two come together so quickly
I agree. It lets them see past each other's surface to the core values beneath much quicker than if they e.g. were dating or attending classes together...
The answer is no because by the end of S1 they are still trying to figure it out themselves and more time has passed than just one day or even a couple. There's an argument that more time goes by than what TV/movies show. The characters also know they are interested, but taking it further is complicated due to the lives they lead getting in the way for them to figure things out. So, the fact that they like each other doesn't mean they are in love. It means they like each other. And even if they do love each other, acknowledging that fact will take time, as well.
Did you watch the whole video? If so you'll know I agree with you on many of your points 😊 But I still believe they're in love, not just being friends. It can definitely happen over the 5-6 days they're together. Do they know if it's love that will last? No, absolutely not, but the initial feelings are there (as I have argued in some other videos...) ❤️
@@tildaowen By the end of the series I believe they are more than friends, but acknowledging that to each other may still be a ways away. Jinx and war will probably see to that. That was my point. I agree with a lot of what you said also.
@@Buffy8Fan OK, sorry, must have misunderstood... I think they at least acknowledge their own feelings to themselves, if not Vi then definitely Caitlyn (that's what the shower scene was all about). But yes, saying it to each other? That's going to be a while... Caitlyn came close with the "What about us", but she was rejected and now Jinx made everything even harder...
@@tildaowen I definitely didn't help as my comments can easily be misconstrued. I've had that problem before and had to clarify to people. So, it's more than likely my bad.
@@Buffy8Fan no worries 😊
What drives me to believe Vi fell this quick is because of her values and her love language.
Vi’s love language is mainly sacrifice and protection, so when she sees Caitlyn trying to protect her and sacrificing her life for Vi (when she comes to block Jinx’s bullets from her in the bridge scene) Vi becomes very "attracted" to that. Making her therefore trusting Caitlyn more than she would’ve otherwise.
Also Vi’s love language mainly occurs with members of her family. She was brought up knowing that family make sacrifices for each other, so when someone non family does just that she gravitâtes more towards loving Caitlyn for those reasons. So in return, Vi becomes protective of Caitlyn, as shown in the Tea party scene where she got mad at Jinx for involving her in their troubles.
That earned trust from Vi is why I think 5 days would be more than enough for Vi to fall in love and same for Caitlyn, hope I made sense 😂
Thanks for your comment, it totally makes sense 😊 Trust and family are definitely big issues for Vi, and someone being both as trusting and so trustworthy absolutely makes it easier to let herself fall in love with a topsider
yeah and like you’ve said in previous videos, going through these probably often times extremely traumatic events together and being each other’s only ally during this entire week nonstop, it’s safe to say at least a little bit of a trauma bond is formed. i mean they both almost died at least three times just from the top of my head. and they had each other. and pretty much only each other the entire time. i mean i knew i loved my wife after talking to her for a month when we would call for hours and hours every day, so sharing this trauma, hardly ever separating, and having the attraction and even the emotional incentive, i think it’s clear they had plenty of time to fall into L word . or at the very least, have a romantic attraction that keeps them close come season two ugh i’ll be so sad if i don’t get a kiss outta them s2😭😭
Thank you, yes, my other videos focus on the circumstances and other issues with their character development, which I think are more important to their love story. The timeline just fits into it very nicely.
I firmly believe we'll get a kiss season 2, it's the actual getting together and the happy ending I have doubts about 😬😭🙈
@@tildaowen I hate to say you’re probably right. They have so much chemistry though and hopefully they stop being so stubborn. And as in they I mean vi😭😭 Caitlyn probably should work on communicating though. It’s hard to be vulnerable with someone who can’t do the same for you, and especially since vi has lost so many people under a range of different circumstances, it wouldn’t surprise me if she’s sensitive to things like being open, and not receiving the same openness, rather just being listened to, which is nice, but as humans I believe we crave connection that goes both ways. It can even be read as trust in a way, and without it, vi could assume something like Caitlyn doesn’t fully trust her etc.
@@alexashuey-canceran5213 Yes, Caitlyn needs to open up and Vi needs to believe that she is worthy of Caitlyn's love!
idk how people can say they love each other too fast. i fall in love the moment i lay eyes on someone
I hear you, it's very common to do ❤️ But imo Vi and Caitlyn don't! They need a little time to find each other and they do... 😍
Kinda unrelated but i just found out that vi isnt short, she’s about 170 cm (5 8), its just that cait its a fu**ing sky scraper at like 6 1 or 182 cm
Counterpoint: have you SEEN Vi?
Lovely video btw :)
Well, I'm mostly looking at Caitlyn 😍😉 And thanks!
6:25 I simply can't!🤣😂😅
I'm glad you like my little jokes 😂
Do I think arcane developed their relationship quickly, yes. Do I think it would matter in modern day society, also yes. But I think Riot got away with it, seeing how Vi and Caitlyn’s bond grow over the 5 days I think it’s perfectly normal that Vi forms a connection with Caitlyn after She literally SAVES her life, as well as how Vi intimately opens up to Caitlyn, this shows trust :) they def fell in love
Yes, I agree, it's the circumstances that they're in that push the timeline on their connection. Being in mortal danger for so long tends to cut away the bullshit, making them see each other for who they really are faster than normal... So it feels perfectly natural how they fall in love 😍
feels natural, and genuine not forced jus to check an LGBT Checkbox for representation. There connection feels human, Just as Caitlyn's relationship with Jayce feels like they have a sibling bond that feels real. I mean Caitlyn's family discard Jayce like he was nothing not wanting Caitlyn to even talk to him, yet Caitlyn still does,she does care just not romantically for Jayce It was also kind of sticking it to her mom.
I agree, Caitlyn makes up her own mind about things, she isn't guided by wealth, position or family. Her drawback is her sheltered ignorance, but Vi helps to open her eyes ❤️
4:15 you can’t help yourself now can you? 😂
Nope! 😂
I have a feeling that Caitlyn got captured by Jinx right after she and Vi have a breakup moment in the rain for their first edit. The shower scene probably added in later on by the writers/directors. Caitlyn seems to have the same wet hair style and in her uniform both in the rain and tea party scene. But if they have change to the shower scene of her captured then I believe Vi and Silco and the tea party all happen in that same day from maybe morning to night.
I think it's the last thing you suggest that's correct, that the shower, the kidnappings of Vi and Silco and the tea party take place from morning till night. Other commenters have pointed out that Jinx actually says "I paid your girlfriend a visit this morning", so I think that's proved right there!
Also Dragon Prince content too? Sign me up!
Good to know, it's what I was into before Arcane (which is next level, but the Dragon Prince is really good too!)
@@tildaowen I agree. Arcane blows Dragon Prince out of the water, but DP is still good in its own right.
@@Paladiea Arcane blows everything out of the water! 😊
@@tildaowen VERY TRUE
Both times I fell in love, it was nearly instantaneous. We. Just. Knew. Violyn's not happening excessively fast at all to me.
Yes, it can definitely happen, am very happy for you!
But Vi and Caitlyn did not know, they didn't fall in love at first sight, and they're on opposite sides of the society, so it takes a little time for them to get there, but they do ❤️
I don't have the time to watch the video right now but I feel like Arcane put things that would take like 3 seasons on one season. I don't think that it happened too quickly because everything happens quickly in Arcane.
Yes, I actually say something along those lines in the video, Arcane is "jam packed"!
I clicked so fast at the notification 👀
Hope your internet connection is up to speed! 😂
@@tildaowen thankfully yes 😂😁💖 I really hope it's not your last video of them of Arcane for a while but I understand you wanting to take a break of course, thank you for everything you've made already so far 🥰
@@Weteperepe Thank you! Well, it's not that I want to stop, I just don't have much more to say about them at the moment. It'll be like beating an old horse... (and we don't want that!) But I might do other Arcane vids as well as The Dragon Prince and other things 😊
@@tildaowen awesome!! Can't wait for your Dragon prince vids 😍😍
If it was a straight couple NO one would be saying shit. A boy and a girl look at each other and boom you KNOW they are end game.
I LOVE Avatar the last air bender
but even it has this.
As soon as anng sees katara he's in love at 1st sight.
Lumity took a good season to get started but people also say it was rushed but I never see these complaints for straight couples in media
Precisely! Such double standards, it's so tiresome to have to explain... Or wait, no, I'm enjoying making the videos, lol! But I wouldn't have made this if I didn't feel like a little evidence in favour of our girls was needed...
@@tildaowen I totally agree with everything you said in your video! ♡
This was just directed at those Twitter weirdos who have a problem with it ♡
@@Thebeezzkneezz. so is the video, so it's perfectly fine 😊
Have to say that "faking" Jayce documents might have taken time seems not correct. Because on the question of the highly sympathetic prison ward since when Jayce is a councillor Caitlyn answers "Since today"...seems like thee developers are not perfect in everything...but nonetheless nice remarks to the timeline and well done job like so ever. The guys who think they fall in love to fast I have to ask what is with love on the first (or second or third) sight?
Yes, people fall in love at first sight, but I don't think they do... It takes a little time for sworn enemies to see each other in a different light...
About the forgery of the form, I'm not saying it takes a day, but she is definitely at the prison longer than it feels like, because she didn't come prepared to break Vi out of prison...
I legit laughed aloud at Caitlyn's "besmudged...and lovely" and "clean ... and lovely " 🤣🤣 she's my fav I and I simp for her (and vi of course)
He he, yes, you were supposed to have that reaction, glad it worked! And Caitlyn is my fave too (obviously) ❤️
Thanks for all of your videos!! I enjoy watching (and simping) with you!!
@@theAllycat797 Great to hear, I love simping for Caitlyn and Vi!
9:59 This is honestly the biggest thing. Caitvi/Violyn is by no means a fully committed relationship in the time frame of the show - there's the start of it, sure, but neither has really had the chance to stop and take stock of their feelings properly (Jinx interrupted Caitlyn in that process, after all, while Vi was repressing her feelings for her crusade against Silco's criminal empire as Step 1 in her revised plan to save Powder). Friends? Yes, but they're not a couple... *yet*, though others see that they've clearly got eyes for each other.
It's similar to all the people that whined that Korrasami was rushed when no, it was just the very start of them making a jump into something more than just being friends, and before that we saw plenty of them getting along (in Book 3 especially).
Yes, their feelings are there, definitely, but not the real relationship. That will hopefully come in season 2 🤞
It's gooood plessful surprise!
9:59 I hope you're right - the season 2 trailer got me me spooked 👀👀👀in that they're chatting about having to go after jinx, which to me signals that season two will have a big focus on noble sacrifice of either their blossoming relationship for the sake of the position of uncertainty it puts them both in*, or one of them physically sacrificing their life to stop jinx.
*Relational uncertainty in that while Caitlyn's always pushed against the boundaries set out by her mother and by Marcus, I don't think season one (correct me if I'm wrong!) shows any times she's in cahoots with zaun in the eyes of the piltys. The bridge scene she reveals somewhat the extent of her illegal adventuring in the undercity (obvs she's broken rank, but also defied the blockade and her mum says she broke several laws), saying "sir I have proof it's silco" or something along those lines. Marcus consider killing her since HE's in cahoots with silco, but his silco-y-kahootery is a surprise to her at this point.
As for the council scene, she reveals silco's demand for independence having pointed out that the undercity is woefully neglected by piltover - so while she's willing to prod and push the needle of acceptability with the councillors, she's hoping they'll act as nobly and unselfishly having raised their awareness of zaun's plight. She's still courting the system for help and upholding it's legitimacy in vain hope that they have the same moral fibre she has. Vi's dismay/disgusted outburst at the council considering negotiating with silco (which I think comes from a place of hatred for the damage caused by silco's vision for zaun thus far, and fear for jinx's safety as she'd be a bargaining chip and could be subjected to the horrors of prison, or worse) is a sharp wakeup call for caitlyn. I think until this point, partly because of vi and ekko's decision to trust her plan despite their objections, she was hoping that their being from different sides of the city could be overcome and love-conquers-all etc, which vi further shatters with the oil and water speech.
After the flare scene setup and dinner table scene climax of jinx and vi establishing where they're at with each other in cait's presence, and then confirming their stances (jinx saying "make caitlyn go away" and vi saying "ok sure tell ya what, we'll ditch cait and run away, you & me, just pls no hurty caity pls thanx") cait faced the dilemma of shoot jinx and irreparably destroy HMS Violyn, or don't shoot jinx and let jinx wreck havoc. I forsee season two forcing her to confront this dilemma again but in a higher stakes environment where jinx is mid-havoc-wrecking, and so caitlyn's choice has more certain consequences for the city and she would be forced to decide publicly in the presence of piltys, putting her in a double-bind rock-and-a-hard-place of bye-bye-vi or cheerio-pilto
Even if they aren't at all involved in the stop-jinx-brigade, in season 2 if they're sticking together publicly that's a BAD LOOK with Jinx's assassination attempt and probable havoc-wreaking escalating animosity between piltover and the undercity to a boiling point - Vi would likely be confronted all the more powerfully with zaunites' fury and distrust towards piltover and likewise with Caitlyn and Piltover's desire for revenge and subjugation of zaun. Ekko's decision to trust caitlyn in the happy tree place (it's been a WHILE since I binged arcane, can you tell? :'D ) based on caitlyn's lil speech is in part because they have vi as a mediator who they both trust and have deep respect for, where the average zaunite would reasonably despise Sherriff Cait on sight, and I imagine the piltys' reaction to seeing her stick up for zaun post-fishbones would be more akin to their outraged reaction to silco's demands for independence. Vi has lost much meaningful contact with the zaunites from her time in prison, and while she's already public enemy number one in the eyes of silco's goons so that wouldn't change, her siding with Sherrif Kiramann (assuming Caitlyn does become sheriff) would be a hard pill for at least Vi to swallow when the piltys would quite possibly be baying for the crushing and deeper subjugating of her home and her undercity, unless Cait's doing her damnedest to stop the piltys.
THAT is what I'm referring to in my predicting of a focal part of season 2 drama being the emotional entwining of vi and cait coming under threat. Obvs I hope it doesn't because I'm an eternal Violyn shipper, but if they allow deeper exploration of their relationship via it being strained and hopefully resolved then I think makes for a good story and I am Here For It :D
Also, having just rewatched Cait's speech to Ekko & vi in the happy tree place, WHOO BOY I feel like making an analysis video on as it feels naive and misguided, which got me thinking what the best way is to resolve the conflict at this point in the story. No hate to Cait - she's not got the big picture like we do, so as far as she's concerned piltover getting their gem and imprisoning jinx would make piltover chillax with the oppressing and maybe also as thanks for being upfront about things / upon being made aware of the atrocious conditions in zaun that they totally definitely didn't know about, they'd help improve the undercity's quality of life.
But yeah, my instinctive response for what cait's plan shoulda been with ekko and the gemstone is more aligned with the jayce-silco negotiating strategy ...except if they went straight for that methinks it wouldn't go any better, since I'm not Jinx's dad like silco, so maybe I'd say "yeah, we give jinx & gemstone in exchange for peace and independence and financial and infrastructural aid" where silco went "no, screw you! >:( ". I'm interested in looking at the different options and theorizing what'd've been most effective and also what'd be the most moral while still being effective - we'll have to see if inspiration to do the analysis video still grips me beyond tomorrow :D
Yes, I agree with you season 2 will see a lot of tension for HMS Violyn (I love that! Lol!), because Vi will feel guilt for Jinx killing Caitlyn's mother and Caitlyn will feel guilt for not taking out Jinx when she could have, and this will come between them somehow. And I'm not sure it will end well, but I have every confidence of total confirmation of love, but a happy ending? Not really... Though I do think that there's a much higher chance of a happier ending for Violyn than many of the other characters in the show...
Do it, I'd watch! 😊👍
@@tildaowen "Vi will feel guilt for Jinx killing Caitlyn's mother and Caitlyn will feel guilt for not taking out Jinx when she could have, and this will come between them somehow"
Oy Vey I'd forgotten about this likely details
😳odear ono they are in for a rough time if true :( and reading your thoughts of them not having a happy ending sent my brain spiralling ...until I remembered that I watched the entire show I think twice before I found out there was going to be a season two, and despite the less than ideal ending for season 1 I thought it was brilliant and potent and entirely sufficient for my brain's lil serotonin-o-matic :'D I think I read it as a tragedy, romeo-and-juliet-style, except in this one instead of a botched suicide domino-effect shenanigans they gave Violyn the respite of being about to rendezvous after their painful separation, and one last time underline how much they mean to each other (and then at least as the world fell apart they got to die in each others' arms).
...yeah reflecting on how I viewed the ending on my first couple run-throughs, my appetite for joy and happiness for everyone (but especially these two characters) really has grown :'D I suspect that's thanks to the likes of folks like schnee and you :D so cheers for that - you given me a sense of hope, and with this comment you've introduced a streak of fear :') we'll just have to wait and see...
@@tildaowen "Though I do think that there's a much higher chance of a happier ending for Violyn than many of the other characters in the show..."
🤔any particular characters in mind here (e.g I've heard victor becomes a cult-leader/robot/faith-healer/god in LoL lore)?
or just the concept of 'shit's about to go down, but vi and caitlyn are two of the main lenses we see piltover and zaun through AND they're a team, whereas the suriving leadership of piltover and zaun are gonna be sworn enemies so casualties there are much likelier'
People say too fast??? Have they met lesbians?
Besides - there is meeting someone and then there's meeting someone who saves your life, almost getting killed a bunch of times and goes on a mad adventure with you. I mean, how can you not form a very intimate bond? Also, they both clearly fancy each other as they keep sneaking a look here and there. Nothing unrealistic there imho
Yes, I agree, and being animation every little look is completely intentional! They worked hard to make the chemistry show!
@@tildaowen which is why this show is such a masterpiece. Everything was intentional. Telling a story between the lines is just genius. Love your videos, thanks again :)
Thank you ❤️ And I agree, such a masterpiece!!!
I wonder about the timeline of the first two episodes.
Ekko says he followed Jayce back ti his lab after selling him a bunch of stuff, but the four kids arrive before Jayce and Caitlyn show up with a bunch of stuff Jayce bought. Did he buy stuff from multiple locations or did he get too much frim Ekko to take in one trip?
Well spotted, that might be a plot hole! Caitlyn even comments on where he got it, she's surprised, so it's not like he goes there all the time... But it could also be like you mention, that they're hauling the goods several times, because there's much of it? Or he took it to his own place first and then to his workshop?
@@tildaowen well if he took it all to his own place first, then Ekko would not know where the workshop is, so it can't be that.
@@EternalDensity right, of course! So, it's a plot hole or he went to the undercity twice in a short span of time...?
It's a bit of a gay meme as well - that we fall in love quickly. Of course it's just a joke, but in my case it actually happens to be accurate. All of my romantic relationships started only a few days after knowing the person. I personally don't like taking things slow - the tension is just unbearable
Yup, I mean the u-haul on the third date is a little extreme, but I've had the talk after three dates, moved in after a month, and married within eight months... 😂
09:53 How can you call it chosing Powder over Kaitlyn? Vi tells Powder the best she can come up at that moment, so that Kait isn't headshot. It just happens to be a suggestion that they could leave together with Powder. But that's very far away from choosing Powder over Kaitlyn.
It's not just that particular instance that makes me say that, and I agree that it's not an easy choice, and Vi wants to choose Caitlyn, but family comes first for Vi. By taking Powder away from Piltover, she would have what she wanted from the start of act 2: her sister back and away from Silco. By going away she also saves Caitlyn from Jinx (and Powder from Caitlyn), so it's a sort of win-win situation for Vi. Or almost, because she's willing to sacrifice her potential relationship with Caitlyn for her sister. And Vi's affection for and especially obligation to her sister is much bigger than towards Caitlyn. So far!
Though I argue that 5 days is more than enough to establish a firm attachment between Vi and Caitlyn, enough to make Vi hesitate, it is not enough to make her choose Caitlyn over her sole ambition since being put in prison all those years ago: getting her sister back.
@@tildaowen I get your point and generally would agree with your reasoning, but the problem is you cannot assume without a challenge that what Vi said/proposed then is true to what she thought and would say/propose without a gun being pointed at Caitlyn. She could've said whatever, having no relation to her actual thoughts and plans, just to save her. We just won't know what she actually throught and preferred.
Oh, I agree, it was a snap decision, she would say a great many things to save Caitlyn and of course we can't know her thoughts. But I think she's sincere. But I don't base my assumption just on that moment, but also on my general characterisation of Vi...
For me personally it has nothing to do with actual time spent together. The pathway to intimacy is self disclosure. The more you start sharing about yourself with people the more it starts to foster a sense of empathy and connection with them. Particularly if they respond well.
Seeing small gradual levels of self disclosure between a love interest and your MC. Shows the audience them gradually building intimacy. That's what creates emtional dependability.
In this relationship you get a good sense of physical dependability they do it very well it's excellently exacuted.
I feel theirs a difference between emtional dependability and physical dependability. If someone is physically dependable you know they are reliable in cases of physical danger if you ever needed someone to protect you from physical harm you could rely on this person. Some physicaly dependable figures are Fireman, Life guard's, Paramedics. But there are probably more personal figures who have shown you they'd be more than willing to protect you when it comes to physical danger.
Then there's emtional dependability, someone who is dependanble emtionaly is someone who's made you feel safe emtionaly. I would never tell some random Lifeguard about my darkest and deepest insecurities or regrets no matter how much I need to share the emtional pain. Just because they are willing to save me when I'm drowning dosent mean they can facilitate my emtional needs. If I'm dealing with something or holding something back emtionaly who is the first person I'm willing to be that vulnerable with has probably proven to be emtionaly dependable. Emotionally dependable figures are like Therapists, Religious figures, Best Friends, Siblings. This kind of dependability requires a great deal of
I think when writers start to blur thoose lines they erase valuable tools they could have used to show the audience more depth in the relationship.
But I understand for the setting and the characters this works this is how all the relationships in Arcane work. Think about the drug shimmer they could have easily turned it into some normal narcotic or opioid but shimmer is a drug that works to bring across a message into the world. In are world people use drugs to get away from emtional turmoil. Shimmer cooperates with the arcane world much better. Shimmer "helps" the user become physically bigger and more dangerous so they can deal with the physical turmoil of Arcanes world. In Arcana you're almost physically strong enough to deal with the physical tax of the world their in.
It makes sense that the way they show Vander is a good father figure is by showing he's a dependable physically for the girls. The way they show Vi as a good older sister is showing first how physically dependable she is.
So it makes sense (for this world) that physical dependability is more valued then emtional dependability and is enough to build intimacy for these characters who struggle with openness vulnerability and Trust. It's enough to build physical attraction.
For me personally, it's a actually correct and properly exacuted use of the "I saved your life once" romantic trope. I just never liked the trope so that bias blinds me in a way. I really enjoy seeing deeply nuanced emtional bonds in my romantic relationship subplots. Especially in wlw I find it rare. And Arcane does do this they focus on the bond of the relationship you can tell by the absence of any sexual/ physical intimacy.
For me personally though I just favour relationships in wich emtional dependability and a stronger focus on emtional depth is more the focus but I understand how this doesn't fit in the "underground" world.
Hi. Sorry for replying so late, I must admit the length of your comment kind of made me prioritise other comments first (again, sorry!).
I agree, time is not important really, I just wanted to silence those who dismissed their relationship on the basis that they had only known each other for a day or two...
You have a point that the bonds forged in the undercity and between Caitlyn and Vi are based on physical dependability not emotional dependability. Vi is remarkably open with Caitlyn, but it isn't until she sees how Caitlyn physically defends her that she begins to fall in love. And the same goes for Caitlyn and she is even less open than Vi. We even see how emotional dependability is unusual in Piltover, since Jayce being open and vulnerable is a bit of a shock to Mel at first. But she opens up rather quickly after that.
But I think their relationship will evolve beyond the physical dependability, because we see Vi begin to entrust Caitlyn with her dark emotions and secrets in the bed scene. I think we will see their relationship go to the next level, they need to entrust each other emotionally too in order to go forward... If they get the chance in all the chaos!
@@tildaowen I honestly didn't expect a response at all, most people wouldn't so thank you.🤣 I agree I do think they build an emotionally dependable relationship off of what they currently have we already see the beginnings of that. I just hope it isn't rushed for the fans sake but knowing arcane it won't be.
@@_LadyReya_ I agree, I think the writers of Arcane will keep up the good work and not just do fan service!
Oh, and I make an effort to respond to all those who comment on my videos, but the more videos, subscribers and comments I have the harder it is to keep up with it... So you're welcome 😊
My answer: No, they haven't even fallen in love yet, they just like each other rn
Well, I think they're "in love", but no they don't love each other yet, it's all so new and moving so fast that they haven't had time to fathom it yet...
You also need to take into account the psychological aspects in the plot, Vi has been in prison for years without any connection to the outside world, and Caitlyn has been in a pampered position for all her life (except for Jayce but I am taking into account that she is probably a lesbian, sees him as family or simply is not interested in him).
Vi offers a genuine relationship and Cait a caring and personal view, completing each other, is not a common situation and all that they went through in those first 4 days is also an accelerated way of getting to know someone.
Thank you, yes, I agree, and I did talk at length about this in my other videos 😊
i wish to find someone as Caitlyn
Me too! 😍
We can’t ignore trauma bonds. This at times can bring people together faster. I feel like if you like someone, you can easily fall in love within a week. The straights do it all the time lol
I agree, going through something like that will make them skip quite a few steps on a social level. It cuts away the bullshit, so to speak, and gets right to the important issues...
I find it rather baffling how people have such baseless and petty complaints with this show. I think years of movies and shows with horrendous writing have rotted their brains in this age of unlimited streaming.
Arcane does just about everything perfectly, the pacing is masterful, the characters are believable and make understandable decisions with every wrong thing happening to them being the result of multiple factors and not just their own stupid decisions as they mostly are with other shows just to move the plot in some inane direction. Even the questionable relationships are handled really well although I do find it bizarre how people accept the Jinx and Silco relationship when he was the cause of all of her suffering completely and yet find nonsensical things to complain about with Violyn.
I agree entirely! Arcane is extremely well written in every area, but people will find fault with everything, I guess... And it's not perfect, but very nearly so!
Vi-Lyn. Nice one. 😏
Thanks, but I didn't come up with Violyn, don't know who, actually... But it sounds much better than CaitVi!
The problem, in my own logic that of course is personal, it’s not in Vi hesitating in ep 9, but choosing Cait over Jinx in ep 7 on the bridge, leaving her and Ekko to fight, possibly to death.
In my opinion, she doesn't choose Caitlyn over Jinx in that scene. I think Vi wants to stay for Powder/jinx, but is unable to because:
1) Jinx has made it near impossible, because she has already fired her gun at them/Caitlyn
2) Ekko has told them to go, so he can stall Jinx
3) Caitlyn is injured, so it's vital to get her to safety (Caitlyn's life is in danger and Jinx's is not, since Vi knows Ekko is not likely to kill anyone. So Vi doesn't choose Cait here, just the more pressing danger/problem)
4) Jinx cannot be reasoned with as long as Caitlyn is there.
So Vi takes Caitlyn (and the gem) to safety on the Piltover side, fully intending to return for Powder, but she is prevented because a horde of enforcers get in her way and then Silco swoops in.
@@tildaowen agreed, in general. But, if I was Vi, I would have give Cait to Ekko and stayed to stop Jinx. For Ekko’s health too. I’d bet Jinx would have killed him. Even if with that bomb, in the end, I think she tried to kill herself more than Ekko
@@davidtestasecca6300 Well, if I was Vi I'd do it just like she did, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree 😊
Also, when Caitlyn is getting vi out of prison vi is in the prison uniform then before the Parkour scene vi is wearing the blue and white shirt so i think after Caitlyn released vi they stopped by to get vi something else to wear though the ripped parts on the shoulder part make imagine something like this......
Cait: ummm are the sleeves too tight? Do i buy another one?
And vi was like: nah I a can make it work ,* proceed to rip the sleeves off entirely * that's better now let's go
Sorry i know this random 😅
Hi, thanks for your comment and sorry for responding so late, but I wanted to take the time and check out the wardrobes you mention... You're right, there's a wardrobe change from Vi's prison clothes, and I like your theory. Vi is definitely not very careful with clothes (except for the red jacket, she protects that!), so she probably ripped the sleeves. But I don't know if they bought some, it was probably leftovers from prison or some that Cait picked up at home. I think maybe the blue part of what Vi's wearing under a white top could be Caitlyn's coat that she was wearing when she came to Stillwater? Anyway, its' fun to wonder at the gaps in the story!
@@tildaowen i honestly don't know if prisons give the released prisoners New clothes when leaving I see it happens in movies but I don't know if it actually happens so I just assumed cait bought her clothes and yeah vi definitely is not careful with her clothes considering her upbringing and living situations survival was her top priority more than how she looks
I even imagine a scene in my head where vi and Caitlyn have to go under cover in a fancy party and before they go vi have no idea how to dress fancy and have no idea what she's doing so Caitlyn is trying to explain to her as fast as possible and warning her not to miss up or else her cover is blown, just some shenanigans i like to imagine for my favourite ships
@@nerdyandweirdybutmighty5256 Well, you should write fanfics 😊
@@tildaowen thank you ☺️, i am waiting to finish my exams to learn how to use ao3
@@nerdyandweirdybutmighty5256 good luck!
Being there to compliment and support each other through some bad times for 4 days straight and not to mention them being hot and sexy, it is a very reasonable time to develop feelings of attraction and likings towards each other imo...
I agree, though I think being hot an sexy is not really on their radar, appearances are not so important to them as actions and behaviour (like showing mercy and magnanimity, like stepping in front of a bullet, like using brains to solve an issue, like showing trust, like sticking to your beliefs, like putting family before all else, etc). Very reasonable under those circumstances, indeed!
@@tildaowen yes you're right got sidetracked by those blue eyes.. 👀
@@ananyochatterjee2445 me too 😍 I've been sidetracked for over half a year!
@@tildaowen good for you!
Kind of did. Ngl I definitely love them together but falling in love that quickly isn't like that irl. But it's just a cartoon so nothing too serious. Idk.🤷🏿♀️
Oh, it happens that fast irl too! And when I say "fast", watch the video to see how long it actually takes (probably longer than you think...)
@@tildaowen yeah, true
Jack & Rose fell in love in like 3 days at most during Titanic, so this is long by comparison :P
Yes, and both love stories have that in common that they're together almost all the time... From opposite ends of society, but going the journey together ❤️😊