Some charging sites in Europe have a single track lead in lane that winds around to the dispensers .. so people are naturally in an ordered queue. Pity most designers cannot think like that
There is a major problem for non Tesla cars queuing in line if your charging port is on the opposite side. A Tesla leaves a place and you advance to fill it, the port is on the wrong side so you cant plug in. You then have to wait until the space to your right becomes vacant so the lead from it can reach you. Of course when this space becomes available a car in the queue moves forward to find that you have plugged into "his" charger. Result, a big argument! The sooner the leads of the chargers are lengthened the better ( as in the V4 ) otherwise certain models of car might have to be restricted during busy periods.
Hey Dave, love your videos, very insightful. I just wanted to point out that there are other chargers at the Trafford Centre, but they don't offer the speeds the Tesla SC's do; in the multi-storey carpark there are 5 provided by Be.EV (7kW max, £0.55/kW - handy if your staying for a few hours), and 4 provided by Evyve (2x 22kW max, £0.75/kW, and 2x 75kW max, £0.75/kW), but the Trafford Centre definitely has capacity for more charging units. Keep up the good work.
This Trafford Centre site is going to be expanded. Tesla is planning to build on the old petrol station right next to chargers. Showroom, lounge and loads of new chargers bringing it up to 65 stalls. It should get a lot easier there next year.
Orderly queues and pataience is needed if you find the need to charge when all the chargers are busy. I plan to go at off peak times where possible and that is not very often that I need to do this as most of my journies complete back home where I can charge up at 7p overnight.
The other issue adding to this supercharger location is it proximity to the Tesla collection centre and on delivery days they may deliver up too 200 vehicles and many new owners will want to charge depending were they were coming from around the country ,as the car is handed over with about 30 % of charge which mine was. V4s would definitely help.
At V3 chargers open to all, the following protocol should result in best use of chargers. If you arrive first, park at one end or the other of the row of chargers, not in the middle. If you arrive and there are one or more cars charging, park next to a car of your "type" (with the two types being EITHER a car that can charge using the charger assigned to the space, OR a car that needs to use the charger next to the space it is parked in). If there is only one car at the row, and you are a car of the opposite "type", park as far from the other car as possible. This "bunching" of types at opposite ends of the charger row ensures that at most only one charger in the row will beome unusable.
Tesla need to stop opening up busy locations to other cars. I drive 40 k to 50k miles per year in my Tesla and I am currently on my second Tesla since 2019 and thought I would never go back to ICE, however last Saturday I collected my new car and it’s petrol. This is due to frustration with long queues since the supercharger network has been opened up. I need to supercharge daily due to the high mileage I do and I find a few times a week I have to wait sometimes over 30mins. This was never a problem before. I will evaluate the situation in 3 years.
Queuing etiquette not practiced at the far too few chargers at Peterborough services. Can be very stressful as there is no natural queueing point and some people just arrive as another car pulls out then pull straight in despite other cars obviously waiting. Results in arguments...a bit to stressful so glad I can home charge
Not a Tesla driver, but have never had to queue anywhere, easy to check in advance how many in use and plan accordingly. I have used Tesla superchargers, but for me, they are throttled to 100Kw, so not top of my list, I prefer charging speed over cost.
In the event of oversubscribed Tesla superchargers, I immediately halt navigation and resume it. Tesla recalculates the route accordingly. Instead of the usual 30-40 minute charging time, it suggests a 20-minute charge to allow me to reach another station and top up. This approach minimizes the queue and evenly distributes the number of cars at each supercharger station. While this may not significantly impact long drives where waiting for a 40-minute charge at one station or two 20-minute charges at two stations is feasible, it does lead to shorter queues and happier drivers on the roads.
I’m not a Tesla driver, I would never take up 2 spaces when there’s a queue unless I didn’t have enough power to get to another site. I tow a caravan and often have to unhitch so as not to block other spaces.
did anyone else notice that the Grey Model 3 being driven by the women in the thick long cream jacket didn't actually seem to plug it in!!! Just parked, got something out of the boot and wandered off!
Teach Teslas to always go for the rightmost charger available. Bunch up to the right. Non-Teslas should always take the leftmost available spot (skipping the very left parking spot, but using that charger), so we only waste one spot at most. And, the App should start doing the queueing.
Sadly any etiquette goes out of the window when you find a Tesla driver who jumps the queue. At Leicester Fosse Park I found myself at the head of the queue after 20 minutes when someone came the wrong way around the one way system and slotted into the space that would otherwise have been mine. He walked past looking very smug... We got the next slot quite quickly and were gone before Mr Smug returned. Incidentally, when on a long journey it's not always practical to only charge in the cheaper period, desirable though that might be.
Maybe 11/22KW chargers and 100 of them would be better there. It is a pain rapid charging somewhere like that especially if you have kids with you. You have to get out of the shopping centre 40 mins into a 3 hour shop and unplug your car, move your car and then go back in.
It's worse than you are saying, that Tesla next to the Lexus can't charge because the Lexus is blocking the charger, so there's actauly two chargers blocked in your location.
Don’t leave it to the last minute and use the sat nav to replot to a nearby alternative. At 20% I’d have a good 20 miles left, give or take. Plenty of range to find somewhere else. Even limited to the relative rarity of Chademo I’m yet to be caught out by that attitude.
Does get busy there. Not enough chargers for a busy shopping centre. All the other chargers are 7/11 (BE.EV) @55p on the other side of the Trafford centre and some 55kw at 79p at the sea life centre
Unfortunately Tesla's monitoring thinks that it's busy, but not full - because of the unused bays due to the short charging cable length. Same goes for drivers turning up - the map is telling them that there's a free charger, so they keep coming.
Did yiu get free super charging on your tesla ? I wonder if people had the choice green electric wind solar 79p per kwh or generated by gas coal etc 5p per kwh i wonder what people would choose.?
I sincerely wish we could but we haven't yet. The Tesla open to all network, excluding those exclusive to Teslas, is larger than most other networks in fact larger than several combined. I really wish we could do better and not have to rely on Tesla. Choice and competition bring down prices.
In 3 years of EV driving I've never had to queue for a charger, if it ever happened I'd just go somewhere else, if I was really low on charge I'd just nip to a petrol station and put some dyno juice in the range extender tank on my BMW i3 to get me to a vacant charger somewhere else.
Life’s not long enough to wait around to charge my EV car. Thought this guy was pro EV? What if I haven’t enough car charge or life for the next station? Think I’ll stick with petrol
They do, which is why you'll find V4 sites with contactless payment marked in the Tesla app as Tesla only sites. Eventhough these sites would suit being open to all more than some of the V3 sites that are opened up.
Some charging sites in Europe have a single track lead in lane that winds around to the dispensers .. so people are naturally in an ordered queue. Pity most designers cannot think like that
There is a major problem for non Tesla cars queuing in line if your charging port is on the opposite side.
A Tesla leaves a place and you advance to fill it, the port is on the wrong side so you cant plug in. You then have to wait until the space to your right becomes vacant so the lead from it can reach you. Of course when this space becomes available a car in the queue moves forward to find that you have plugged into "his" charger. Result, a big argument!
The sooner the leads of the chargers are lengthened the better ( as in the V4 ) otherwise certain models of car might have to be restricted during busy periods.
Wouldn’t know what queuing etiquette is as I’ve never queued in 3 years and 100,000 miles of EV driving! Timing is everything.
me neither, but I have filmed others queueing.
Busy people with busy lives don't always have the luxury to pick the quiet time of day to charge.
Hey Dave, love your videos, very insightful. I just wanted to point out that there are other chargers at the Trafford Centre, but they don't offer the speeds the Tesla SC's do; in the multi-storey carpark there are 5 provided by Be.EV (7kW max, £0.55/kW - handy if your staying for a few hours), and 4 provided by Evyve (2x 22kW max, £0.75/kW, and 2x 75kW max, £0.75/kW), but the Trafford Centre definitely has capacity for more charging units.
Keep up the good work.
Sometimes it’s the only way others learn .
At least your a Gentleman 😊
This Trafford Centre site is going to be expanded. Tesla is planning to build on the old petrol station right next to chargers. Showroom, lounge and loads of new chargers bringing it up to 65 stalls. It should get a lot easier there next year.
Thanks for shining a light on this issue
Don't got there when it's busy. Runout on the motorway. You know it makes sense.
Orderly queues and pataience is needed if you find the need to charge when all the chargers are busy. I plan to go at off peak times where possible and that is not very often that I need to do this as most of my journies complete back home where I can charge up at 7p overnight.
6:09 no, electricity is normally at its most costly between 4 and 8pm
Its just been announced that they are expanding this site to 65 stalls
The other issue adding to this supercharger location is it proximity to the Tesla collection centre and on delivery days they may deliver up too 200 vehicles and many new owners will want to charge depending were they were coming from around the country ,as the car is handed over with about 30 % of charge which mine was. V4s would definitely help.
At V3 chargers open to all, the following protocol should result in best use of chargers.
If you arrive first, park at one end or the other of the row of chargers, not in the middle. If you arrive and there are one or more cars charging, park next to a car of your "type" (with the two types being EITHER a car that can charge using the charger assigned to the space, OR a car that needs to use the charger next to the space it is parked in). If there is only one car at the row, and you are a car of the opposite "type", park as far from the other car as possible. This "bunching" of types at opposite ends of the charger row ensures that at most only one charger in the row will beome unusable.
Can’t be bothered to watch it all - hope Dave points out that v4 superchargers have a long cable so can charge any EV in any space.
Tesla need to stop opening up busy locations to other cars. I drive 40 k to 50k miles per year in my Tesla and I am currently on my second Tesla since 2019 and thought I would never go back to ICE, however last Saturday I collected my new car and it’s petrol. This is due to frustration with long queues since the supercharger network has been opened up. I need to supercharge daily due to the high mileage I do and I find a few times a week I have to wait sometimes over 30mins. This was never a problem before. I will evaluate the situation in 3 years.
Queuing etiquette not practiced at the far too few chargers at Peterborough services.
Can be very stressful as there is no natural queueing point and some people just arrive as another car pulls out then pull straight in despite other cars obviously waiting. Results in arguments...a bit to stressful so glad I can home charge
Not a Tesla driver, but have never had to queue anywhere, easy to check in advance how many in use and plan accordingly.
I have used Tesla superchargers, but for me, they are throttled to 100Kw, so not top of my list, I prefer charging speed over cost.
In the event of oversubscribed Tesla superchargers, I immediately halt navigation and resume it. Tesla recalculates the route accordingly. Instead of the usual 30-40 minute charging time, it suggests a 20-minute charge to allow me to reach another station and top up. This approach minimizes the queue and evenly distributes the number of cars at each supercharger station. While this may not significantly impact long drives where waiting for a 40-minute charge at one station or two 20-minute charges at two stations is feasible, it does lead to shorter queues and happier drivers on the roads.
It's reported that the Trafford centre is to spend 11.5m to add a further 47 rapid chargers.
Yes, well spotted video already made, out later this week.
I’m not a Tesla driver, I would never take up 2 spaces when there’s a queue unless I didn’t have enough power to get to another site.
I tow a caravan and often have to unhitch so as not to block other spaces.
The news is that they are planning a £11.5m EV charging hub due to be starting development next year 🙂
Dave when do you think is the time to stop non Tesla's using these charges?
Put the chargers in th centre of the bay with cable able to reach either side - or don't open to on Teslas
did anyone else notice that the Grey Model 3 being driven by the women in the thick long cream jacket didn't actually seem to plug it in!!! Just parked, got something out of the boot and wandered off!
Aye she's off to do her shopping blocking a charger for the afternoon 😅
She couldn’t plug in. The charger was used by the Lexus beside her. He explained this.
Teach Teslas to always go for the rightmost charger available. Bunch up to the right. Non-Teslas should always take the leftmost available spot (skipping the very left parking spot, but using that charger), so we only waste one spot at most.
And, the App should start doing the queueing.
Sadly any etiquette goes out of the window when you find a Tesla driver who jumps the queue. At Leicester Fosse Park I found myself at the head of the queue after 20 minutes when someone came the wrong way around the one way system and slotted into the space that would otherwise have been mine. He walked past looking very smug... We got the next slot quite quickly and were gone before Mr Smug returned. Incidentally, when on a long journey it's not always practical to only charge in the cheaper period, desirable though that might be.
He would have returned to a flat tyre if it had been me ..
@@trickshotish That would have been reducing myself to his level...can't say that I didn't have somewhat unpleasant thought about him though.
Other chargers are available in another carpark at the TC can't recall who it is though, but not Tesla
How would you know how long you need to wait for?
Maybe 11/22KW chargers and 100 of them would be better there. It is a pain rapid charging somewhere like that especially if you have kids with you. You have to get out of the shopping centre 40 mins into a 3 hour shop and unplug your car, move your car and then go back in.
It's worse than you are saying, that Tesla next to the Lexus can't charge because the Lexus is blocking the charger, so there's actauly two chargers blocked in your location.
Don’t leave it to the last minute and use the sat nav to replot to a nearby alternative. At 20% I’d have a good 20 miles left, give or take. Plenty of range to find somewhere else. Even limited to the relative rarity of Chademo I’m yet to be caught out by that attitude.
Does get busy there. Not enough chargers for a busy shopping centre. All the other chargers are 7/11 (BE.EV) @55p on the other side of the Trafford centre and some 55kw at 79p at the sea life centre
Unfortunately Tesla's monitoring thinks that it's busy, but not full - because of the unused bays due to the short charging cable length. Same goes for drivers turning up - the map is telling them that there's a free charger, so they keep coming.
They are fixing that in the next update. They know what cars are charging and how many bays they take up.
Come on Dave. Where's you crimbo jumper?
3:00 All the parking bays are in use. Does that mean there's a parked car there that isnt charging?
No, as Dave explains the end car is effectively taking the space of 2 chargers as can't reach the very end one
This guy is on a mission to review every EV charging place in the country (before moving onto the world), endless TH-cam videos
Did yiu get free super charging on your tesla ? I wonder if people had the choice green electric wind solar 79p per kwh or generated by gas coal etc 5p per kwh i wonder what people would choose.?
There's no coal generated electricity available 😢
@@ziggarillo1163 power stations in china may disagree with that .that's one of the reasons anything Chinese is super low price .
3:42 aint that funny: the two cars to the right are using the chargers to their left....
Tesla this Tesla that.Can't we Europeans sort our own charging system out properly instead of relying on Mad Musk?
I sincerely wish we could but we haven't yet. The Tesla open to all network, excluding those exclusive to Teslas, is larger than most other networks in fact larger than several combined. I really wish we could do better and not have to rely on Tesla. Choice and competition bring down prices.
@@davetakesiton
Ferarge and musk are going to open up some chargers joint venture 😂
In 3 years of EV driving I've never had to queue for a charger, if it ever happened I'd just go somewhere else, if I was really low on charge I'd just nip to a petrol station and put some dyno juice in the range extender tank on my BMW i3 to get me to a vacant charger somewhere else.
Life’s not long enough to wait around to charge my EV car. Thought this guy was pro EV? What if I haven’t enough car charge or life for the next station? Think I’ll stick with petrol
What if you haven’t enough petrol to get to the next garage? Stupid question you run out
Maybe Tesla should make very busy charger locations like this Tesla only.
They do, which is why you'll find V4 sites with contactless payment marked in the Tesla app as Tesla only sites. Eventhough these sites would suit being open to all more than some of the V3 sites that are opened up.