I noticed while checking the interview that I never circled back to the question: Why are German leaders subservient to the US? So I went back and asked John and here is his answer: "Germany is subservient to the United States mainly because it fears that Washington will abandon Europe for East Asia. Given the US concern with the China threat, German leaders worry that America will “pivot to Asia,” which effectively means it will pivot away from Europe. This matters greatly to German foreign policy elites because they understand that the American military presence in Europe serves as a pacifier-it is principally responsible for peace in Europe. Thus, German leaders go to great lengths not to alienate the United Stares for fear that it would then leave Europe, which would mean Germany is responsible for its own security, a thought that scares most Germans half-to-death. To prevent that outcome, contemporary Germany invariably backs US policy, which is not always in Germany’s national interest. This was certainly the case in April 2008 when Angela Merkel supported the Bush administration’s foolish decision to bring Ukraine into NATO, even though she understood it would lead to enormous trouble with Russia."
@@JasminKosubekOriginal Good point. Perhaps you should have asked John if he saw any (past) prospect of Russia joining NATO. Anyway, I will try the AI.
The disbelief which shared by many of us, I'm not surprised most Germans had this kind of thinking. They don't believe they support something heinous, just like when they support the moustache man from Austria. As John said there's no Free Speech regarding "that" issue.
@@SamirustemI think you are being unjust here. She herself noticed the mental programming that blocked her from being objective. Morons can't do that.
This is a very complexed topic. And will be never resolved. What haooened with Armenian genocide. Any reparation or land return to the rightfull owners. Bulgarians left their territory and all possessions after the territory was anexed. My great parents were refugees from those territory and had to settle never been compensated
The moment Mersheimer realizes Kosubek is not ready for this topic: "I watched a few video's where people posted how nice Gaza was before the war, so it wasn't a prison. Either Gaza was shitty or not" Mersheimer: "Gaza was shitty". I love his patience.
Gaza was a prime real estate left by the Israelis 2005 bordering two strong Neighbours Israel and Egypt. Why the Palestines crossed almost soly Israels border for work?
"how can you call it an apartheid state when half of the population is Palestinians?" - lol, does she think blacks were a minority in South Africa or something? Apartheid South Africa had a 95% black population. And yes, there were blacks that had South African passports
Her agnostic view is a little bit weird (in regard to Israel/Gaza) as to why the Palestinians don’t just accept their fate. Why didn’t Germany just accept the treaty of Versailles after ww1? They thought it was just so unfair they couldn’t.
"I want to keep my agnostic view on the Israel-Palestine conflict" She keeps repeating that but to me that's just a cop out for basically doing the Ostrich's head in the sand policy. Which is the German policy in general. Denial. They're so weighed down by history that they will never criticise Israel.
There is another take on German stance which IMO is more convincing - German leadership knows perfectly well what is going on, but they are OK with it, because genocide that Germany committed on Jews will be relativized by Israeli genocide on Palestinians, in the eyes of German elite at least. The gravity of German "sin" will be made "easier" to carry when Israel becomes genocidal state who is mass murdering women and children.
She is a perfect example of the ignorance of German media towards Palestinians: She is not even aware that 2,3 Million people in Gaza are stateless. Stateless means, there is no entity defending your rights. Has she ever tried to understand what's going on there? It's painful to watch.
Defenseless is not what stateless means. There is an entire UN Organization tirelessly focused on assisting the population of Gaza and the West Bank called UNRWA. Both the US and the EU spend countless of millions each every year on the protection of the status quo. Benevolent people around the world are very charitable and politically active for the people, including about half the people in Israel -- until 10/7. You, my friend could reread your own commend and ponder. She is awesome, and her skepticism is appropriate.
The beginning of the interview was good. After that she's making very strange arguments: "Sometimes things are unfair" excuse me?? If the Netherlands tomorrow decides to take over Belgium and remove all the people to France. Should the Belgian, accept that? Cause yeah sometimes things go unfair... What logic is this???
Could not agree with you more. Her expectation that the Palestinians simply shut up shop after centuries of connection to the land. Could imagine saying to an Englishman or American to do that? Didn't also like the way she generalised about Arabs
One can notice the switch from genuine debate to dishonesty on her part from the moment she starts interrupting Mearsheimer constantly, because it is not about his answers anymore, it's about confirming her bias, nothing else. That's what she calls "being agnostic". How did she put it? "The situation in Palestine is a series of "unfortunate" events". Right.
@ICreatedU1 exactly. This is the second interview I’ve seen this week wherein the interviewer constantly says “I don’t know anything about it” then proceeds to put forth every talking point that western civilian has used for centuries to justify their genocides, crimes against humanity and theft of resources. It’s pretty stunning to me that ppl in western civilization just refuse to recognize their history 😢 Then again, I think I was decolonized the minute I came from the womb so have recognized the abuses of the West since a child. To me it’s just incredible how propagandized western populations are, even in genocide 🤷🏻♀️
@@kathiduran9583 when reading your comment , all I hear is the losers' knee jerk reaction to whine and complain. The West was, and still is, the strongest -- that's all there is to it.
Excellent analysis, as always by Pr Mearsheimer. He does not mince words. He stayed polite and considerate when the interviewer asked him idiotic questions and made a number of stupid comments.
Being Agnostic on Gaza is crazy to me. You have one of the most genuine political scientists in the world. Telling you it was an apartheid state. A few pretty pictures doesn’t change how they’ve been treated for decades. You have a platform interview some of them.
When she brought up Hasbara Propaganda photos, you can see that Dr. Mearsheimer was genuinely shocked & disgusted. I could see that he was very angry too. Kudos to him for maintaining his composure. Germans have habit of always being on the wrong side of history. Her crazy views confirms something depraved about Germans & Germany...👹
why interview an Arab? nobody has any sympathy for Islam, full stop. Islam cannot get along with any of its neighbors anywhere in the world. sick of it.
She believes that because some areas of Gaza are semi-developed and maintained, it doesn’t qualify as an open-air prison. This overlooks the fact that Palestinians are incredibly resourceful and resilient people.
Just a thought, seeing as the HAMAS leaders are pretty much all multi millionaires, is there a slim possibility that the billions on foreign aid were not spent on developing the infrastructure of Gaza? Just consider for 1 second is it possible the 2.4 billion dollars spent building the network of terror tunnels may have been better spent investing in desalination plants, super-efficient gas power stations, business investment, and development or possibly heal care? THEN finally consider the infant mortality rate in Gaza and the life expectancy in Gaza are on a par with most western countries and way above many of the surrounding Arab countries? How exactly can this be if they live in an open air prison that's hell hole? Do you think the infant mortality rate and life expectancy in the German concentration camps or the Warsaw Ghetto was on par with the average Western country? Yassa Arafat, an Egyptian nephew of an infamous Nazi supporter who worked with Hitler in WW2 and planned to set up German-style death camps in Israel if Germany won the war, Haj Amin al-Husseini (former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem appointed by the British after they pardoned him for the crime of in sighting the murder of Jews at the annual Nebu Musa parade after proclaiming (falsely) that Jews had murdered and raped Arabs, THAT Yasa Arafat KGB agent died with a net worth of $1,000,000,000 having at one time had financial interests valued at $3,000,000,000. Can you explain where he got that money, please?
J.M. always responds with great patience and courtesy when he's challenged by someone knowing a lot less than he knows. Never condescending. Always impeccably the gentleman.
I am from Mexico and follow Prof Mearsheimer on a regular basis and always find him fascinating, for his knowledge and very solid arguments. Just ordered his book on AIPAC and look forward to reading it
Why did Mexico never get to export to US tariff free ? Why is Mexico cannot benefit from being next to the biggest consumer market inthe world which is USA ?
@@zenlei8258 Because the US doesn't see an advantage. The US is fundamentally against the economic development of its backyard, Latin America, which it wants to keep relatively poor, exploitable and not a threat.
@@richardparker1338 I think Mexico are not able to gain economic advantage is mainly due to poor quality leadership. The mexican elite are too closely linked with the cartel who are linked to the american deep state becos of immense profit. The elite on both sides do not want to give up the huge profit from the cartel.
@@richardparker1338 Why must Mexico depend on US market alone. There is a big market in EU and Japan too. Why China can be the biggest exporter inthe world when China is very far away from US ? It is because Mexico have poor quality leadership who never cares for the poor and middle class people.
Jasmin's argument "why do the Palestinians not just leave and go into another Arab country" is insane and shows how little she understands about the history of the conflict. With this logic, the Boors in South Africa could have said "the Black people should just leave South Africa after having been oppressed by the white minority for 250 years and go into one of the many neighboring "black" countries. Why did this work with the Germans - e.g. why did the vast majority of the German people accepted to have given up vast territories in the East after the lost world war is a different question ... which I don't want to go into now.
Except my people didn't oppress black people for 250 years, it shows you how little you understand about the history of South Africa. South Africa, the Union of South Africa, is only a little over a hundred years old. And before the English unified the Union it did so over the corpses of the Boer republics and different black kingdoms at the time. So how exactly did my Boer ancestors oppress black people for 250 years? Can you give me an example? The Cape Colony, which the English took over from the Dutch and started expanding into black kingdoms and the eventual Boer Republics, only started its expansion about 200 years ago, and they were a separate group from my people (the Boer) and the Cape Dutch who were also an entirely different group at that time subjugated by the English. Bantus aren't native of South Africa, they've been here for about 1500 years, during which time they displaced Khoi people (according to genetics they killed the men and took the woman which was normal in that period), so the question becomes how far do we go back to call people colonizers and non-natives and why? You don't want to go into the question of the ethnic cleansing of German communities in the East after and before ww2, in some cases even before ww1, because it doesn't fit your political narrative to acknowledge Germans as human beings.
@@startfromwithin8107 Not really. You're operating on an idealist position, and technically so is Mearsheimer, because you want to pretend there is fairness in the world, and you want to pretend that people all treat each other with respect. History both past and present tell a different story. I see no reason why a German should support Palestinians against Israeli ethnic cleansing if Palestinians don't oppose the ethnic cleansing of Germans that occurred in recent history. Why should people treat others better than others treat them?
She said she doesn't know nothing about the conflict, but 10 minutes later she talks about the videos people are circulating about Gaza being "a great place", talks about Palestinians having passports... When it comes to knowing about the Palestinians being murders she just says "I don't know much about it". What a joke...
Actually it isn't their land. The reason most Palestinians have Egyptian and Syrian surnames is because their very recent ancestors migrated there when it was a British Mandate, looking for work, and prior to that from around 1900's when the Ottomans started building infrastructure such as railways. This lie of ownership now seems to be widely accepted but a simple Google search tells a different story. The whole Mandate area, including present day Jordan had a total population of less than 1 million yet today millions claim to be Palestinians and refugees by descent.
Most Palestinians don't have Egyptian or Syrian surnames. They have Islamic surnames. You're just making stuff because you Zionists always lie. @@margaretcaine4219
@@margaretcaine4219 Don't believe Israeli propaganda. It is mostly Palestinian land. See Wiki's page on the demographic history of Palestine for a more nuanced view eg Justin McCarthy...... ...evidence for Muslim immigration into Palestine is minimal. Because no Ottoman records of that immigration have yet been discovered, one is thrown back on demographic analysis to evaluate Muslim migration.. From analyses of rates of increase of the Muslim population of the three Palestinian sanjaks, one can say with certainty that Muslim immigration after the 1870s was small. Had there been a large group of Muslim immigrants their numbers would have caused an unusual increase in the population and this would have appeared in the calculated rate of increase from one registration list to another... Such an increase would have been easily noticed; it was not there. The argument that Arab immigration somehow made up a large part of the Palestinian Arab population is thus statistically untenable. The vast majority of the Palestinian Arabs resident in 1947 were the sons and daughters of Arabs who were living in Palestine before modern Jewish immigration began. There is no reason to believe that they were not the sons and daughters of Arabs who had been in Palestine for many centuries
Thank you, John Mearsheimer, for your frankness on the Palestinian issue. I am truly amazed at how successfully the "lobby" has frightened even very intelligent Germans into submission to their propaganda. Trying to explain this with "agnosticism" in the face of what the whole world can witness every single day makes me very sad and almost hopeless. Perhaps the seed you have planted will grow into a small plant of hope, even if it seems weak at first.
@@donodono2287 You and others think it's "naive" not to support Palestinian Arab chauvinism. But that's only the result of you and the like of you are merely consuming the dumbest Hamas propaganda, and you can't accept that there are ways of thinking other than this propaganda tells you.
It isn't naivety, be fair. The fact is, neither side want to accept the reality and the issue have become to complex due to stubborness and the reality is that others arabs countries have a vested interest in keeping this conflict going.
Das ist leider nicht korrekt. Urheber ist der namibianische Präsident. Er sagte, dass er von Deutschland eine Predigt erhalte. Von Deutschland. Und die Deutschen sollen nicht über China reden, sondern über ihre eigenen Probleme und vor der eigenen Haustür kehren. Bitte richtig informieren.
@@MarcoZeunerthere was a saying in Germany after the war, during the occupation: "the British promise nothing and deliver nothing, the Russians promise everything and deliver nothing, the Americans promise nothing and deliver everything." (A History of Germany 1945-1947).
@@jakebarnes28 What does a 80 year old saying have anything to do with the world we're living in? The US was the last industrialized country standing in 1945. Now its industry has mostly hollowed out and is living in their long past glory by sucking wealth and resources from the rest of the world. Things have changed.
She basically saying gaza ain’t a apartheid because it’s pretty .. like blaming a prisoner for decorating his cell and telling him it’s not a cell anymore
Unser Girly hat sich gut gehalt;en bis zum letzten 1/4, da wurde es dann doch peinlich. Es mag ja sein, dass es am Strand schön ist aber die Lebensbedingungen in Gaza sind es nicht. Die Menschen können sich nicht entfalten. Und akzeptieren muss man das noch lange nicht und sich auch noch vertreiben lassen. Die Südafrikaner oder Inder haben auch lange Kämpfen müssen, um sich die Freiheit zu erkämpfen. In den USA hat es auch lange gedauert, bis die Apartheid gefallen ist. Und die Israelis haben sich jetzt in eine ausweglose Situation manövriert. Mal schauen, ob die in einem Jahr die Apartheid noch aufrecht erhalten können oder ob es Israel überhaupt noch gibt? Die Zeiten haben sich geändert, die Gegner sind stark geworden und der Unwertewesten unterschätzt das völlig. Ohne die Unterstützung des Unwertewestens wäre Israel schon lange nicht mehr existent. Und Israel ist durch den Genozid isoliert. Nicht mal die verbündeten stehen voll dahinter. Wirtschaftlich geht es abwärts, Schiffe können nicht mehr anlanden. 2 Millionen Israelis schauen sich nach einer neuen Heimat um. Gegen die Hisbollah kommen Sie militärisch nicht an. Der letzte Angriff gegen den Iran war wirkungslos und der Iron Dome ist löscherig wie Schweizer Käse.
Jasmin is making some very stupid comments. Why should Palestinians leave their land? Why doesn’t Netanyahu go back to Poland? I’m not buying this “I’m agnostic” BS. Jasmine is playing dumb.
@@BalkanMode she knows exactly what's going on. Even JM found it difficult to hide his revulsion at her questions and statements. He caught his disgust pretty quickly and channeled it into maintaining his composure which allowed the conversation to remain constructive. I could not be that professional and I doubt there are many out there that can fully comprehend the coldness and cruelty of what she was saying while remaining calm.
Very disgusting also that Europeans drove out natives from America and Australia, right? And FYI it was the Arabs who first ethnically cleansed the Arabic peninsula from Jews and Christians.
And she does not explain how can Palestinians leave Palestine without some other country accepting them. Does Germany accept all Gazans if they want to leave? What about US? What about Egypt or Jordan? This is like asking Jews to leave Germany in 1935. Did anyone give unconditional visas to all Jews in Germany at that time? Only most affluent Gazans could leave for Egypt by paying tens of thousands of bribes. Just like only few Jews could leave Germany during Holocaust.
Jasmin explained to us all that there are "acceptable" ethnic cleansing and some other were "unacceptable". Some may wonder where is that fine line? It is very simply: depends on lobbyists, PR/public opinion shaping agencies and money poured in. Or maybe "acceptable" ethnic cleansing became a thing in 2023 so everything before (but after WW2!) was barbaric by those damned Serbs/Arabs/Russians/.
Anyway she is right with this point. Some millions of germans had to leave their homelands because of the results of 2WW. What world would we live is this german people never restarted an rebuild their life ??
Especially when she says she doesn’t understand why other countries don’t just accept 2m Palestinian refugees! Jasmine, would you like to welcome 2m Palestinian refugees in Germany since your govt supports Israel? Probably not! This situation is similar with many other countries but as the Professor quite rightly points out to you why should the Palestinians go somewhere when they have their own land?! 🤯
And I worry yours and all Muslims who know perectly well, this is about the eradication of Israel, whilst knowing and ignoring what is happening in YEMEN where the same culprits are at play: IRAN, HOUTHIS and of course: ISLAM!
@ElenaMorell-v7e you lot can't see wood for trees. She will never talk about Israel honestly as Russia with Iran were the architects of the problem. She is a Russian stooge
@@ElenaMorell-v7e yes. she really lost it there. she started saying random stuff, while claiming she doesn't know the topic, that she's agnostic, at the same time that she was interrupting him for offering some facts....and also she starts spewing bizarre theories about how people are massacred all the time why can't they just accept it, and besides, their beach was beautiful, so they must accept to give it up, and leave, and accept occupation, and not leave, and stay, and go to the beach.....WOW....
The second she said, "i am agnostic to the situation and see strange things," made me realise how she is not a true journalist nor a decent human being. How can you see day in and day out children being slaughtered, orphaned , amputated, etc... and feel agnostic? Truly remarkable how people, especially Germans, given their history that they can be "agnostic" Power of the lobby truly being displayed here as John points out! He just proves his point even more. Support her in interviewing him on her platform but not her spineless character with regard to the genocide.
And neither are you for not mentioning YEMEN and who is responsible: IRAN AND THE HOUTHIS: the same as those responsible for attacking the Jews and causing the Gaza crisis - along with Russia!
She talks so much about a topic she said she's not sure of(Israel). If it's me I'd just shut up and listen. I do appreciate at the end she's done a 180 turn. Good job John for staying cool through all this. You're are a true teacher.
The ignorance of Frau Kosubek is astounding. I’m even more in awe of Professor Mearsheimer for the infinite patience and tolerance he displayed during the interview
John Mearsheimer is taking a moral position and not a political one! John Mearsheimer has skillfully cornered Jasmin Kosubek, and hopefully, this will help her see the reality more clearly.
Yes, to him, and any logical thinking person, morality is just that, regardless of race, colour, creed, or social status. This thinking, this superior mindset that somehow immoral actions become less so depending on which side you are on, is immoral in itself.
It's not moral position . It just an honest academic pragmatism .He is a pro American , pragmatic thinker who wants the preservation of American dominance because he understands that Americans enjoy particular life style only thanks to control of capital markets and return on investments. Losing that means a collapse of American society as we know it.
@@RedXlV when Ukraine turned into Anti-Russia and all Russian soeaking (half of Ukraine population if not more) were in fear of their life. Ukraine (with puch of USA) had started an internal military action against russian-speaking Eastern regions in 2014. That in turn forsed Russia to "annex" Crimea, and do not forget that vast majority of Crimea population clearly expressed their desire to be a part of Russia in 1990's, and in 2014. The people wo lived in Crimea for generations cosider the Crimean land sacred because it was soaked with Russian blood. There always lived people of differen ethnic background - Greek, tatars, Russians and many others.
@@emilialauer7724 Literally *none* of that is true. There never was any military action against Russian-speakers, and the majority of Ukraine's population is anti-Russian because of Russia's actions against Ukraine.
Watching this from New Zealand. Jasmin is getting schooled by the world’s best and she still keeps on digging her hole. Jasmin shut up and listen. Be respectful and learn.
I think she did well and was receptive for the majority of the interview. But it's amazing to see reason and logic run head into the programming absorbed by osmosis and exposure to the Zionist propaganda seeded throughout the world by Israel
She says she doesn’t know about the conflict. But she knows it’s not to be called a genocide and Palestinians should give up their land. What a disgusting hypocrite just like 99% av all westerners
Mearsheimer: It’s been five minute already; Ukraine needs to accept its new Russian overlords. It’s unfair, but so what? Also Mearsheimer: Gazans should never accept the Israeli state, even after decades. Fairness is the most important!
@@historydiscover return land to the Jews and go back to SA. Amazigh people are saying “Arabs came to our land on camels but will return on airplanes”. The same thing is here
@@NJIT22 you would only be able to say it is 'jewish land' after 30 years of British occupation and the destruction of over 500 Palestinian villages from 1947-1949
She pretends to be stupid on Gaza and then end up casually defending ethnically cleansing them. "Why don't you just go to other countries?" Why don't you accept the Israelis in your country?
Yes, she was not well prepared in in some ways i would say she is very naive. I was a bit disappointed. Following her channel since a while (in German) and she had great interviews most of the time. Jasmin obviously needs a bit more education on this topic.
@mojedsamad7184 exactly. Why wasn’t her FIRST response “if Israel would just give them back their land the fighting would end”. Because colonizers honestly believe they have the right to take whatever they want. It’s western civilizations only history and all they can identify with 🤷🏻♀️
@@allydea Sure Bevis. Jerusalem was called Al Quds long before the imposter joo-converts came to steal the lands. You have a homeland, it's called Khazaria. Now skidooo & go back.
The answer to the genocide question is simple: there is a legal threshold, look up "genocide convention 1948" Why do the neigboring states not help ? Even though support for Palestinian rights is overwelming, those are not democratic states so their leaders do not make decicions based on the will of the public. I think Germany has a serious problem understanding this matter. According to international law, Gaza, west bank, east Jerusalem, Golan heights and the Jordan Valley are illegal settlements under International law. This means all unlawful settlers will have to be removed from those areas.
To add to your point, Regimes in Jordan and Egypt are propped up by the United States. See list of US aid recipients. As for Saudi Arabia, the tyrannical rulers are afraid of their subjugated population and count on the US to keep them in power, an example was when the current crown prince wanted to overthrow his cousin he needed the green light from the White House and when Obama seemingly said no, they waited for Trump who agreed in return for arm deals and basically shaking down the Saudis.
The legal threshold you refer to was established by Raphael Lemkin a Polish Jew who coined the term genocide and campaigned for establishlishment for the Genocide Convention which produced the "legal threshold" based on the Holocaust.
Good conversation but I think there was a major misconception implicit in one of Jasmin's questions during the Israel-Gaza section of this podcast. Her question implied that the Palestinians are i) a population of refugees, ii) that that has been their status since their displacement in 1948 and iii) they should come to terms with their loss and move on because iv) it is a foregone conclusion that they are not going to get their country back and their fight is therefore futile. That may or may not be true for Palestinians living in refugee camps in the surrounding Arab countries who might never be permitted back into what is today Israel proper. But what about the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza? Granted some of them are refugees from the Nakba (1948) who were expelled from what became Israel. But they are now living on land - the West Bank and Gaza - where they are a clear majority and that does not legally belong to Israel. This land could form the basis of a Palestinian State in the event of a two state solution. Should they accept their permanent statelessness? Should they leave and go elsewhere as refugees to eventually be assimilated into another country? Or should they struggle for their rights and self-determination on territory which i) has historically been their's, ii) where they are still living as an overwhelming majority and iii) that has been earmarked by the United Nations as the basis of an eventual Palestinian state.
It is incorrect to say that the Palestinians are a majority in Gaza as jews are simply not allowed there. Gaza was free of jews since 2006, when Israel left Gaza completely in the pursuit of peace. What happened next was that Hamas took over. Gaza had the chance and the freedom to determinate themselves since 2006. Yet Hamas chose terror. And unfortunately an overwhelming majority of Palestinians do not fight for and do not want a two-state solution. They want the whole territory and the jews gone. Check the channel „ask an Israeli/ask a Palestinian“. You will hear their answers.
@@svenr.8365😂😂😂really? Are u sure? It IS completely thé opposite. Who rejects since the beginning the 2 staats solution? Even the UNO is completely ignored.
Those in Gaza and Westbank should join Israel, the best choice they could make for themselves and their children. But they wont do that and probably even if they would want to now, I don't think Israel could accept it at this point. All sails a set for war now and the lines are as blurry as they have never been. Your remark about history is simply wrong for the fact that the history of this place is much older than the ethnic people identifying themselves as Palestinian. Heck the Islam is the youngest of the three big religions yet they have the wildest claims about history. Don't let these things get to your head, all religious fanatics will tell you the same no matter from which side. The logical choice would be to let history rest and settle with an agreement under which all involved people can be okay with. Issue is now, can you find such an agreement between people living a dogmatic philosophy? If I had a say in German politics about this, I would withdraw any financial help for Palestine via UN and any help for Israel, UNTIL, both sides would stop any hostile actions and start seriously talking to each other how their people can live in peace. And that will require from both to step back from historical and religious claims, and settle on the shared humanity. For someone not trapped in a dogmatic world view this seems rather simple.
@@svenr.8365 Your description of what happened in Gaza in 2006 is completely inaccurate. Gaza was occupied by Israel in 1967 during the course of a war. The Israeli settlements that were built in Gaza were illegal because under international law it is illegal to transfer a population into an occupied territory. Furthermore, the settlements, in both the Gaza and the West Bank, were a major obstacle to the peaceful resolution of the conflict because they undermined the viability of a future Palestinian state. When Israel left Gaza in 2006, they dismantled settlements (which should not have been there in the first place because they were a violation of international law), but they did not dismantle the occupation. In fact, they maintained their control over the borders, the surrounding waters as well as the airspace, deciding who and what could go in and go out. Over time, the occupation was turned into a brutal, suffocating siege which only allowed in the minimal number of calories to ensure Gazans had only just enough sustenance to survive. Gaza was turned into a barely habitable concentration camp, in order to make the lives of the Palestinian inhabitants unbearable so that they would leave. Moreover, the settler withdrawal from Gaza was part of a broader plan to accelerate settlement building in the West Bank, which was also a major violation of international law and which the Israelis proceeded to do immediately after "leaving" Gaza. They withdrew 8 to 9 thousand settlers from Gaza, but in the following year alone introduced 12 thousand new settlers into the West Bank.
@ Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. First of all it is totally normal, that a sovereign state maintains control over it‘s own borders. This is part of the definition of being a state. And furthermore it is unevitable if Your neighbour endlessly commits terror attacs on Your country. This argument is childish. And why do You think that Israel has any obligation to supply water to Gaza? Why do You not ask that from Egypt, that has a border to Gaza by the way too? Israel had no control of the border to Egypt, so all Your further arguments are nonsense too. How could Israel prevent Egypt from providing anything to Gaza from its own border? Few other countries got such huge amounts of international aid that did Gaza. And where is all the money? No water supply. No own educational system. Nothing for the population. But terror tunnels and rockets. And Hamas leaders who are billionaires. And by the way: How did they leave Gaza to go to Qatar if it is so closed up? 🤦🏻♀️ If the situation would be the way that You describe it, I would agree with You. No doubt. But it is not. Still I feel really sorry for the population of Gaza because they are being used by the iranian mullahs and other islamists to put pressure and to perpetrate terror on Israel. Gazans should be freed from Hamas and Iran.
The lady needs either to stay quiet or educate herself on the Palestinian conflict, she sounds like a 15 year old ignorant teenager. Johs as always is very balanced in his assesment
1. Former Roman Empire capturer Adrian invaded into Jewish land and tried to rename it into palestine, into so called palestine a country that never existed, in retaliation against Jewish people for resistance to occupation. 2. In 1946 Jordan got created for them already but on 70 % Jewish land. 3. In 1948 Israel, with thousand years history, got re-established following WW2, after being captured by foreins invadors former various former Empires who oppressed and discriminated against Jewish people. 4. Terminology "palestinans" got created in 1964 by KGB from former USSR and its agent, arafat from Egypt for those who invaded Jewish land from nearby countries. 5. In 2005 Israel gave up on Gaza territories and forcebly removed all Jewish people from thier homes in Gaza in exchange for territories from promised peace. But those who live in gaza voted and choise ham as and its idiology, built millitary zone with tunnels under hospitals, houses and schools despite of getting humanitarian help and trillions with intent to live peracfully with its neighbors violated cease fire numerous times. 6. How Israel should reasonable respond to terror attacks, took hostages and bombarding on ongoing basis by those who commited, welcomed and supported 10/7/23 Saturday during Jewish holidays and promissed to contunue the same again and again? 7. Facts are important. Peace to all.
It really went down hill at 1h 20m.... But this is the situation Germans are currently in. One day it will change as our understanding about the past evolves.
@@Phil-n7c it's not the past that's the problem, it is the present and the future. You guys think you are hot shit, even if you didn't commit the holocaust you would still be morally abhorrent people all around because the whole west is germany or not. Do not use the Nazis as a shield, event the anti-nazis suck. Heck it was fucking Stalin who supported Israel like Marx ordered him to do it.
.one of the best bits was watching Jasmin Kosubek visibly "paralised" when it came to "accepting/accommodating" a criticism of Israel! She cut off John's response again and again, repeating herself, while declaring being "agnostic" on the issue... That was a WOW moments for me to experience someone who considers herself well-informed to sweat like that and as John pointed out , it shows the power of the Israeli lobbey- globally! And thanks to that attitude after 40000+ Palestinians murdered, our "fair" Jasmin simply suggests/implies that the Palestinian survival is worth a lot less than the survival of an Apartheid/mass murdering state. In this day and age, as Mearsheimer points out, it takes great courage, dedication, honesty and resilience to confront the truth , when it comes to Israel. I can highly recommend the internationally respected, award winning Israeli journalist, Gideon Levy who more or less says the same thing as John Mearsheimer. PS: one question Jasmin did not ask is this: "would the state of Israel need to/ could exist without the Holocaust? AND "should Germany be more responsible for the plight of the Palestinians because of the Holocaust?" ps2:A good interview . .
No way she is intelligent. She asked stupid questions thruout, not just on the Gaza issue. The Gaza issue just illustrated her intellectual dishonesty and her refusal to acknowledge facts presented to her by one of the most knowledgeable minds in the world.
Now I’m thinking - how could you presume to invite someone as famous and educated as John Mearsheimer, attempt to pose geopolitical arguments, while not even being prepared on contemporary Israeli / Palestinian history? You basically failed your debate session by showing up totally unprepared.
She is not unprepared, she just would not accept the facts, she tried to put some ambivalence in to the subject but she failed, that is why she appeared as a kind moron here;the antipathy for migrants is so great that anything they might believe ought to be wrong
@@overseeingeye exactly, I would be mortified to see such a terrible performance of myself. I remember preparing harder for grade school presentations, forget grad school 😂😂.
Professor John Mearsheimer is wrong about that the USA has provided a lot of wepons to Ukraine. 4600 F-16 have been produced. Zero have been provided to Ukraine by the US. 4800 Abrams Tanks have been produced. 32 have been provided by the US to Ukraine. Put that in proportion to that Ukraine has destroyed over 9000 Russian tanks, over 18800 Armored Personnel Carriers and 20000 artillery units.The US has enormous stockpiles of phased out weapons in the desert. Yet they are only drip feeding the bare minimum for Ukraine to not collapse.
Ich kann den Kerl nicht für voll nehmen. Russland ist nicht so stark, aber sie treten gerade der ganzen NATO in den Arsch. China hat noch nie einen modernen Krieg gekämpft oder gewonnen, aber die sind die ultimative Bedrohung für die USA. Die haben zwar keine Navy, von der man sprechen könnte, aber die sind echt gefährlich … der Typ reden wie ein US-Politiker mit wenig Ahnung übers Militär. Da gibt es bessere Gäste zu dem Thema als ihn und ich hoffe, die kommen auch mal zu Wort.
Genau DAS wollte ich gerade schreiben! Ich denke Frau Kosubek ist genau die Richtige für ein derartiges Interview, aber zugegeben, auch eine "schwergewichtige Aufgabe!"
Hallo Jasmin, dieses Interview ist großartig! Du stellst die Fragen, die man sich unweigerlich stellt wenn man sich dieses politische Trauerspiel anschaut, die aber in den Systemmedien einfach nicht vorkommen, geschweige fachlich fundiert diskutiert werden. Danke an Prof. Mearsheimer.
I wish Mearsheimer would say the same for Ukraine like he is saying for Palestine: Palestinian has the right to fight back their land that was stolen by Israel. But he don't. He say that Ukraine shall stand down against the aggressor Russia for "peace". So he treats the two differently, why? This is the point where Mearsheimer becomes implausible for me.
John sometimes gets things wrong. For example, 7:57 he keeps pushing the falsehood that China is a threat to the United States rather than the other way 'round. Secondly, he maintains that one of the principal reasons the Kiev regime is losing is that it does not have sufficient armaments 10:15 whereas their biggest problem is that they are running out of men.
The lady is asking stupid questions without a clue about the subject. Will never watch her interviews again. She has to do her homework before interviewing such great people.
Pro. Mearsheimer clarified so much for me. I had little to no understanding truth until his wisdom and being intellectually enlightened! Thank you for allowing us to see and hear this brilliance!!!!
Her “agnostic” view on Israel is very close to accepting genocide as natural. Let’s say a very racional “final solution” for a land dispute between the original owners and the thieves. Certain things never change…
In South Africa 🇿🇦 it would have been a fight forever, De Klerk understood this very well. That’s the reason for the transition to the status quo of today.
What i found horrifying about the "final solution " was not the numbers murdered . But the fact that it was carried out in such a "matter of fact " manner ,by a civilised nation . Listening to this intelligent lady , who can be agnostic about a similar situation happening in Gaza , obviously her brain works differently to mine. " Her point being "As the palestinians can't win they should pack up and go and if they won't they must accept their faith . Unlike the Israelis ,most of show have duel nationalities ,the palestinians have nowhere else to go
You claim that Israel pursues a policy of "the final solution" towards the Palestinians. How exactly are they doing it? Do they build extermination camps to deliberately murder all of them?
I was watching this thinking all the time "If she is an alternative, I can imagine how Germans are kucked up." When she started to talk about Gaza, I almost started to cry. Germans would still like to move people in cattle trains.
Wir Deutschen sind naiv und hörig. Wir haben eine große aber auch schlimme Geschichte hinter uns. Wir bringen diese schlimme Geschichte in wirklich allen Angelegenheiten unseres Lebens ein. Selbst unsere jüngere Generation fühlt sich schuldig, selbst wenn sie 50+ Jahre nach dem 2. Weltkrieg geboren wurde. Dadurch haben wir keine Identität. Wir suchen in den verschiedensten Gruppen nach Identität. Einige Deutsche sind völlig davon eingenommen. Sie fühlen sich derartig schuldig, dass sie ständig irrationale Dinge tun, die vermeintlich gut sind. Diese Leute werden hier sogar als "Gut-Mensch" bezeichnet. Gutmenschen wollen das Weltklima von Deutschland aus retten. Gutmenschen verändern ständig die Sprache um keinen zu diskriminieren. Gutmenschen verschließen die Augen davor, dass es in Deutschland sehr viele Obdachlose gibt und alte Menschen in Mülleimern nach Pfandflaschen dutchwühlen. Die meisten Deutschen haben kaum Eigenkapital. Deutsche haben eine extrem hohe Steuerlast, um irgendwelche vermeintlich sozialen Sachen zu finanzieren. Dabei sind in Deutschland abweichende Ansichten oder ein Hinterfragen absolut Tabu. Unsere Nationalflagge und -hymmne (nicht die der Nazis) werden teilweise als rechtsextrem bezeichnet. Das Problem sind die Medien und die Parteien, die diese Mentalität fördern und uns unsere Schuld ständig eintrichtern. Jasmin zeigt Das, wie unsere Gesellschaft denkt. Ich vermute sie fragt bewusst provokant, um die Widersprüche herauszustellen. Obwohl ich mich in Deutschland wie im Irrenhaus fühle, muss ich sagen, dass die meisten keine schlechten Menschen sind. Sie sind nur völlig manipuliert.
@@soulsmouls I almost started to cry as well when she started ......And yes, she went full mask off....as one of the commentators above said, she's agnostic but all the way pro-israel, hhhhh amazing.....but heart breaking.....
@@hermesliteratus882 The part I did not like the professor is when he involves terrorists groups like Hamas and Hezbollath into the equation. The war may be a disaster because Israel is fighting a war with a faceless terrorists groups funded by other countries with vested interest in keeping the struggle endless.
"agnostic" is such nice word to describe ignorances; the absent of the care for, and the absent of the honest effort to dig the facts and to really know the reality of it, and then to follow up by taking proper stance upon the matter for the sake of higher morals and humanity.
please stop giving your western biased opinion Jasmin Kosubek. Ridiculous to hear you talking about the war Israel is conducting and how emotional you became during the interview! You say you're agnostic. You're not, you're just ignorant. It's a little embarrassing..
If you listend to them at about 1:32 you can realize that some of her Arguments are under the fear to get canceld.so I am Happy that this Interview happend at all
@@mojitostinson she opposes the West on Ukraine, yet supports USA on Israel. As if she was saying like yeah, Russia is a big country, strong nation, we should've considered them equal and treat properly, but Palestinians are not worth thinking about - just pack your stuff and be off to another country.
Agnostic, what a hell is the host doing here in this point! The guest is a very intelligent, and she takes an umbrella of “agnostic and I don’t know history “.
The Palestinians should not accept theft, imprisonment nor their slaughter. I knew a black south African. He told me he was a child in the Apartheid era, and visited Switzerland with his mother through his Swiss father. He begged his mother to allow them to move to Switzerland. His mother gave him a lesson he has never forgotten. "This is our country. And no racist thug or people is going to drive me or my family away from my homeland or yours." And shame on those Western nations enabling this slaughter. PS. Apartheid South Africa was beautiful, too
It only took a minute and the world famous professor spoke about the inhuman genocide in Gaza. Have the courage to speak openly. Thank you Jasmin, great talk!
What a crass view on being agnostic and expecting Palestinians to give up their fight! Also, in "other players" if you count other countries of the world, most of the world overwhelmingly supports Palestinian state and oppose Israeli Settlements. Its like asking and pleading a bully to stop bullying and then in the end asking the bullied to just leave because bully is not ready to stop. Further, such a position would never have been acceptable as being "agnostic" if it was a developed western nation in place of Palestine under occupation and genocide.otherwise your video is good. Its always good to hear Prof. Mearsheimer.
The interview was good until Jasmin became a pubescent teenager when it came to the Gaza genocide. I found that incredibly exhausting to watch. Initially, her professionalism was excellent, also the good English was remarkable. But then the hysterical little girl came out on the genocide issue. With such an outspoken expert in the interview, it was very embarrassing. Why can’t Germans accept the fact that Israel is committing a genocide? Is it so hard to face the facts?
@@indridi It is rather simple because it’s not Genocide. It won’t become Genocide when a so called „outspoken expert“ says so. I respect Prof Mearsheimer but I don’t agree with him on this. Check back History to Hitler - Pol Pot and Idi Amin, if you need some examples for Genocide. What’s happening in Gaza is war with collateral damage. The truth may be hard on you but it won’t change therefore.
In the end the interviewer threw out both logic and empathy..."why don't they" - emphasising that the Palestinians should simpy shut up shop and leave despite centuries of connection to the land. And in the context of how other ethic groups & nationalities historically have endeavoured to push back when being disposed, why must the Palestinians be different or an exception? Could you imagine telling an American or Englishman something like that if someone encroached on their property? Also, as the Professor righty said, you need to think empathically. How would you feel if you were in the same situation as the Palestinians? Lastly, the interviewer, ignorantly or arrogantly, or both, generalises, suggesting that Palestinians in essence are Arabs just like all the other people in the middle east are all Arabs Imagine thinking this way about ALL the people in Europe? Imagine thinking this way about ALL the people in Asia? Imagine thinking this way about ALL the people in the America's?
I am still shocked with this complete and total blindness the Germans have about Gaza and Palestine. It shows a total egocentrism about projecting their historical guilty on contemporaneous reality.
Would love to see an interview with you and Prof. Jeffrey Sachs and for a better understanding of the Israel/Palestine conflict, an interview with Norman Finkelstein or Max Blumenthal would be great too !
If you want an objective perspective, that's not the way to go. Thats like saying "I should read Marx and Engels to understand socialism and communism". YOur statement says that you want to understand how to blame Israel better, not understanding the conflict
I suggested these two because in my opinion one should always listen to all sides involved in a conflict and as it's quite obvious to most people who follow German mainstream media, in most cases you only get presented the Israeli point of view and everything else gets the usual labels attached to silence any critical voices ...
Did she just say why Palestinians don't leave their land? What kind of ignorance is that? The problem with people like her is that they don't put themselves in the Palestinians shoes. Why would anyone leave their land knowing they won't be able to return back?
Holy shit!!! I already loved your German content and guests, but you got Prof. Mearsheimer on your channel, WOW!!!! He is one of my favorite people!! You are amazing!!! Thank you!!! Grüße aus Galizien von einer halb Spanierin/Deutschen in NYC aufgewachsen 😄😘
Großartig, Jasmin: Herrn Mearsheimer als Gesprächspartner zu gewinnen, die umfassende Vorbereitung und vor allem die über 100 Minuten lange voll konzentrierte Gesprächsführung. Es gibt nicht viele, die auf Ihrem Niveau arbeiten.
Very interesting point of view of Jasmin on Israel-Palestine conflict. So it's ok if someone attacks another country and get their territory. Would you think the same if Russia wants East-Germany back. Would you give that back? Please dont start an objective discussion and then get back to the "I dont care view until it' doesnt touch me". But kudos to get Mr. Mearsheimer on the table. Great guy!
What are you even talk about, East Germany was never part of USSR. They were a satelite. And USsR offered Germany unification, which Adenauer rejected in exchange for NATO accession
@@RajSingh-xv9xk But it was a bad example. We (East Germans) were never under the Russian regime. Like all the other Eastern block countries (Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria) we were a "satellite state" but our government was German. A better example would have been the Baltic states like Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, because they belonged to the Soviet Republic during the communist regime.
I'm a South African,our land was taken by settlers by force,so according to Jasmin we should just forget, accept and leave things as they are while the descendants of the settlers are enjoying the fruits of our land!. Even if this land that belongs to blacks was taken decades back, but blacks still wants their land back, period.
@@soulsmouls "Settler" does not generally mean that they occupied the territory by force. Nevertheless, most of them were not invited. They were "let in", for some reason or the other, and many of them are intruders.
@@miloszforman6270 well. Than it's not a problem. Problem is uninvited settlers. You have democracy in Europe and cannot pretend the people don't have a hand in what the governments do.
@@soulsmouls So what. Actually I was responding to the OP. "Blacks still wants their land back". What does she mean? Ethnic cleansing, I suppose. There are still some white farmers in South Africa. Many of them have been murdered during the last few decades, and more and more of them have to give up. _All_ white farmers have been driven out of Zimbabwe or have been killed under the Mugabe regime.
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@@JasminKosubekOriginalEine durchaus bemerkenswerte Leistung so lange auf Englisch (als Fremdsprache) diese ganze Zeit durchzuhalten. Chapeau & 🎩 ab! 👍
Hallo Jasmin, dieses Interview ist großartig! Du stellst die Fragen, die man sich unweigerlich stellt wenn man sich dieses politische Trauerspiel anschaut, die aber in den Systemmedien einfach nicht vorkommen, geschweige fachlich fundiert diskutiert werden. Danke an Prof. Mearsheimer.
Jasmin, apartheid has nothing to do with percentages, majorities or minorities. But there is something important we need to rectify here: you seem to believe that in Israel "half of the population is Jewish and the other half is Palestinian". That's grossly wrong. There is a small percentage of Palestinians in Israel who are citizens and have a passport, but the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not, they live in a semi-occupation state, there is 6 million of them and have no status, and that's what constitutes the apartheid that John and other international institutions talk about. In 2024, especially when you're interviewing one of the best IR analysts in the world, you cannot possibly miss that essential point.
Liebe Frau Kosubek, ich habe mir Ihre Sendungen in letzter Zeit öfter angeschaut und war sehr überrascht und erfreut, dass so ein Hochkaräter wie John Mearsheimer Ihrer Einladung folgte. Was mich weniger erfreute oder besser gesagt, erschütterte, ist Ihr Mangel an Wissen in puncto Naher Osten. Ich finde, wenn man jemanden über dieses Thema befragt, sollte man selbst wenigstens das nötige Grundwissen haben. Ich glaube nicht, dass ich zurückkommen werde.
Amazing conversation. Thanks a lot to Jasmin for inviting him. You are a great host and speaks perfect English. I feel really sorry for you (Jasmin) for not being able to critize the criminal regime running Israel. Sad cancel culture in Germany!!! Bitte, unbedingt übersetzen lassen. Wir brauchen das auf Deutsch...
The tense conversation around Israel/Gaza situation near the end was great to see. It was cathartic and needed to be asked. We need more honest and difficult conversations around this topic. I appreciate what you're trying to say too, Jasmin. We'd all like a resolution to it. Please have on more people like Mearsheimer. Yes it's dark and largely disappointing knowing how terrible things are projected to play out. However, if we have more people like this that can communicate an effective analysis of the situation we can maybe hope that others can come along and start contributing towards a social synthesis that can resolve all these troubling concerns. I think we need leaders we don't currently have. Thank you for this great discussion.
@jasmine I am a layman and let me ask a simple question: if your water is controlled, if your movement is controlled, if your house is searched whenever, if you are asked to strip at checkpoints each day, if you are shot if you dont listen - would that class this as an open prison? I am extremely neutral when it comes to all this war. My view of life is love and peace for everyone. Irrespective of their color, race, ethnicity, language, views etc.
Dear Ms Kosubek, having just heard the generally interesting and lively interview with John Mearsheimer, I was dismayed but not surprised by your reactions regarding the Palestinians. I am sure you did not mean it to sound like this, but at one intolerable point, it sounded so very much like Germany telling the Palestinians to shut up and be quiet, your train has come and gone. In fact, it is reactions like these that makes life for Palestinians in Germany so difficult. Why do you think you are in a position to tell Palestinians that their cause is not worthy? If anything, the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank and inside Israel in this last year but also in previous decades has strengthened Palestinians’ national feeling rather than weakened it, and every time this lecturing tone emanates from someone who has their own state and can take that for granted, Palestinians become more immune to that type of condescension. It is for Palestinians to decide about their struggle for liberation, as Mr Mearsheimer so clearly explained. Again, I do not think you intended the tone to be the way I have described, but that is exactly how it sounds. Still, I was grateful to hear this interview. It might contribute a tiny bit to, who knows, Germany’s eventual maturity and growth on this particular subject, its blind spot, but the country has a long way to go… Meanwhile, please check out The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé and Rashid al Khalidi’s The 100 Years’ War on Palestine.
I had no idea that Germans were so brainwashed. In fact, I believed that they were sophisticated people. @JasminKosubekOriginal proved me wrong. Conflicted about the Gaza genocide? What's wrong with you?
There were quite a lot people that were "agnostic on the matter" during WWII and that genocide -- and usually this is not something their children and grandchildren appreciate. "Genocide" is treated as a "loaded word" -- whereas it is literally what the only truly global court, the UN's ICJ, is currently in the process of ruling on. Seriously now, what's the thing with Germany and the Germans? How can a people and a state be consistently on the wrongest possible side of history during the most dire of historical events twice in less than a century?
This lady: I just want the fighting to stop, so let's give Israel what it wants and help it ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their land by asking the arab states to take in the Palestinians. She most likely has no idea that there are millions of Palestinian refugees already living in many arab states.
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I noticed while checking the interview that I never circled back to the question: Why are German leaders subservient to the US? So I went back and asked John and here is his answer:
"Germany is subservient to the United States mainly because it fears that Washington will abandon Europe for East Asia. Given the US concern with the China threat, German leaders worry that America will “pivot to Asia,” which effectively means it will pivot away from Europe. This matters greatly to German foreign policy elites because they understand that the American military presence in Europe serves as a pacifier-it is principally responsible for peace in Europe. Thus, German leaders go to great lengths not to alienate the United Stares for fear that it would then leave Europe, which would mean Germany is responsible for its own security, a thought that scares most Germans half-to-death. To prevent that outcome, contemporary Germany invariably backs US policy, which is not always in Germany’s national interest. This was certainly the case in April 2008 when Angela Merkel supported the Bush administration’s foolish decision to bring Ukraine into NATO, even though she understood it would lead to enormous trouble with Russia."
@@JasminKosubekOriginal Good point. Perhaps you should have asked John if he saw any (past) prospect of Russia joining NATO. Anyway, I will try the AI.
@@JasminKosubekOriginal that is so interesting! thank you for that question.
she's very agnostic on the Israel-Palestine issue and in favor of Israel
Like they said: free speech is under threat in Germany and Europe as a whole
Political correct
Free Palestine
Great observation. She keeps saying she is an agnostic but she has seen videos the professor hasn't seen. Great guest, shitty interviewer.
She is anything but agnostic. She is wondering why the Palestines do not just go away from their homeland.
John....what a mind...what a man.
The disbelief on his face for last 20 minutes of this pod is priceless.
The disbelief which shared by many of us, I'm not surprised most Germans had this kind of thinking.
They don't believe they support something heinous, just like when they support the moustache man from Austria.
As John said there's no Free Speech regarding "that" issue.
He is use to it. Talking to morons. At least she is not so bad to look at.
Man I agree 100% listening to a sain person is very healing
@@SamirustemI think you are being unjust here. She herself noticed the mental programming that blocked her from being objective. Morons can't do that.
He gets almost no pushback like what she gave him.
Jasmin: I'm agnostic because there's so much I don't understand.
Also Jasmin: I understand it completely.
This is a very complexed topic. And will be never resolved. What haooened with Armenian genocide. Any reparation or land return to the rightfull owners. Bulgarians left their territory and all possessions after the territory was anexed. My great parents were refugees from those territory and had to settle never been compensated
The moment Mersheimer realizes Kosubek is not ready for this topic: "I watched a few video's where people posted how nice Gaza was before the war, so it wasn't a prison. Either Gaza was shitty or not"
Mersheimer: "Gaza was shitty". I love his patience.
she would have fawned over nazi concentration camps too lol
I'm not certain of Kosubek, she does seem to often play the advokatus diaboli to provoke opposition/clarification ( ... or maybe not??).
@@wolfgangreichl3361 preparing oneself for a discussion with someone like mr. Marsheimer isn't a simple task at all.
@@stanislavstoimenov1729 My first thought was hse's out of her depth on this one.
Gaza was a prime real estate left by the Israelis 2005 bordering two strong Neighbours Israel and Egypt. Why the Palestines crossed almost soly Israels border for work?
"how can you call it an apartheid state when half of the population is Palestinians?" - lol, does she think blacks were a minority in South Africa or something? Apartheid South Africa had a 95% black population. And yes, there were blacks that had South African passports
True. That argument was a little bit lame. But this made a good conversation even better. Probably she did it on purpose.
South Africa was 80% black, but the main point still stands.
Her agnostic view is a little bit weird (in regard to Israel/Gaza) as to why the Palestinians don’t just accept their fate. Why didn’t Germany just accept the treaty of Versailles after ww1? They thought it was just so unfair they couldn’t.
She is German bro. They love Genocide.
@@MikeJanecek but in Germany people think that GER should have accepted the treaty of Versailles during the Weimarer Republic
"I want to keep my agnostic view on the Israel-Palestine conflict"
She keeps repeating that but to me that's just a cop out for basically doing the Ostrich's head in the sand policy.
Which is the German policy in general. Denial. They're so weighed down by history that they will never criticise Israel.
There is another take on German stance which IMO is more convincing - German leadership knows perfectly well what is going on, but they are OK with it, because genocide that Germany committed on Jews will be relativized by Israeli genocide on Palestinians, in the eyes of German elite at least. The gravity of German "sin" will be made "easier" to carry when Israel becomes genocidal state who is mass murdering women and children.
Still does not justify a whole country to dispose of its moral compass.
Where is the innate feeling of empathy and humanity !!!
She is a perfect example of the ignorance of German media towards Palestinians: She is not even aware that 2,3 Million people in Gaza are stateless. Stateless means, there is no entity defending your rights. Has she ever tried to understand what's going on there? It's painful to watch.
Who do you mean?
Defenseless is not what stateless means. There is an entire UN Organization tirelessly focused on assisting the population of Gaza and the West Bank called UNRWA. Both the US and the EU spend countless of millions each every year on the protection of the status quo. Benevolent people around the world are very charitable and politically active for the people, including about half the people in Israel -- until 10/7. You, my friend could reread your own commend and ponder. She is awesome, and her skepticism is appropriate.
Germans are in an impossible position on this topic.
*The world is sick of **-Zios'-** criminality.* ✔
*I believe, if she was not in Germany, she would tell the truth less reluctantly and more conveniently about the genocide.*
Genocide is absolute EVIL
Yes! They need to stop sending missiles in to Israel. Thank you
The beginning of the interview was good. After that she's making very strange arguments: "Sometimes things are unfair" excuse me?? If the Netherlands tomorrow decides to take over Belgium and remove all the people to France. Should the Belgian, accept that? Cause yeah sometimes things go unfair... What logic is this???
I totally agree, it is even strange that her English and reasoning become poor when talking about Palestine and Israel
Could not agree with you more.
Her expectation that the Palestinians simply shut up shop after centuries of connection to the land.
Could imagine saying to an Englishman or American to do that?
Didn't also like the way she generalised about Arabs
Exactly what I was thinking!
@@MasKurto-mv5ieI noticed also that, she started to forget English words and so on, and saying; I am just agnostic
Well ya know, Germans have a constant problem of always being on the wrong side of history. Her abominable ideas & views is a mask-off moment...👹
One can notice the switch from genuine debate to dishonesty on her part from the moment she starts interrupting Mearsheimer constantly, because it is not about his answers anymore, it's about confirming her bias, nothing else. That's what she calls "being agnostic". How did she put it? "The situation in Palestine is a series of "unfortunate" events". Right.
@ICreatedU1 exactly. This is the second interview I’ve seen this week wherein the interviewer constantly says “I don’t know anything about it” then proceeds to put forth every talking point that western civilian has used for centuries to justify their genocides, crimes against humanity and theft of resources. It’s pretty stunning to me that ppl in western civilization just refuse to recognize their history 😢 Then again, I think I was decolonized the minute I came from the womb so have recognized the abuses of the West since a child. To me it’s just incredible how propagandized western populations are, even in genocide 🤷🏻♀️
@@kathiduran9583 when reading your comment , all I hear is the losers' knee jerk reaction to whine and complain. The West was, and still is, the strongest -- that's all there is to it.
@@kathiduran9583 I follow her for a while and so I guess: she will adapt her mind based new information.
@@DerFlotteReiter haha good luck with that sentiment. People like her will never change their bias. She’s scummy as hell.
October 7th was also a an unfortunate event. But people dont have any moral consistency. All laws and IHL is for Palestinians not for anyone else
Excellent analysis, as always by Pr Mearsheimer. He does not mince words. He stayed polite and considerate when the interviewer asked him idiotic questions and made a number of stupid comments.
Being Agnostic on Gaza is crazy to me. You have one of the most genuine political scientists in the world. Telling you it was an apartheid state. A few pretty pictures doesn’t change how they’ve been treated for decades. You have a platform interview some of them.
When she brought up Hasbara Propaganda photos, you can see that Dr. Mearsheimer was genuinely shocked & disgusted. I could see that he was very angry too. Kudos to him for maintaining his composure. Germans have habit of always being on the wrong side of history. Her crazy views confirms something depraved about Germans & Germany...👹
Consciously or unconsciously, some people decide to be Agnostic on Palestine issue.
why interview an Arab? nobody has any sympathy for Islam, full stop. Islam cannot get along with any of its neighbors anywhere in the world. sick of it.
She's so cute as in silly and stupid and ignorant. She's lucky she's kinda pretty
Being agnostic tell a lot about your subconsciens . what do you think about pride guilt?
Thanks about it
She believes that because some areas of Gaza are semi-developed and maintained, it doesn’t qualify as an open-air prison. This overlooks the fact that Palestinians are incredibly resourceful and resilient people.
Just a thought, seeing as the HAMAS leaders are pretty much all multi millionaires, is there a slim possibility that the billions on foreign aid were not spent on developing the infrastructure of Gaza? Just consider for 1 second is it possible the 2.4 billion dollars spent building the network of terror tunnels may have been better spent investing in desalination plants, super-efficient gas power stations, business investment, and development or possibly heal care? THEN finally consider the infant mortality rate in Gaza and the life expectancy in Gaza are on a par with most western countries and way above many of the surrounding Arab countries? How exactly can this be if they live in an open air prison that's hell hole? Do you think the infant mortality rate and life expectancy in the German concentration camps or the Warsaw Ghetto was on par with the average Western country? Yassa Arafat, an Egyptian nephew of an infamous Nazi supporter who worked with Hitler in WW2 and planned to set up German-style death camps in Israel if Germany won the war, Haj Amin al-Husseini (former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem appointed by the British after they pardoned him for the crime of in sighting the murder of Jews at the annual Nebu Musa parade after proclaiming (falsely) that Jews had murdered and raped Arabs, THAT Yasa Arafat KGB agent died with a net worth of $1,000,000,000 having at one time had financial interests valued at $3,000,000,000. Can you explain where he got that money, please?
@@Sophsta04 but that might make sense right! we won't be having any of that!
@@Sophsta04 Sprouting and tossing out Israeli-created propaganda will not get you far. Keep on lying, mate.
J.M. always responds with great patience and courtesy when he's challenged by someone knowing a lot less than he knows. Never condescending. Always impeccably the gentleman.
I am from Mexico and follow Prof Mearsheimer on a regular basis and always find him fascinating, for his knowledge and very solid arguments. Just ordered his book on AIPAC and look forward to reading it
Why did Mexico never get to export to US tariff free ?
Why is Mexico cannot benefit from being next to the biggest consumer market inthe world which is USA ?
@@zenlei8258 Because the US doesn't see an advantage. The US is fundamentally against the economic development of its backyard, Latin America, which it wants to keep relatively poor, exploitable and not a threat.
@@zenlei8258because Mexicans export millions and millions of unskilled migrants into our country, weakening it.
@@richardparker1338
I think Mexico are not able to gain economic advantage is mainly due to poor quality leadership.
The mexican elite are too closely linked with the cartel who are linked to the american deep state becos of immense profit. The elite on both sides do not want to give up the huge profit from the cartel.
@@richardparker1338
Why must Mexico depend on US market alone.
There is a big market in EU and Japan too.
Why China can be the biggest exporter inthe world when China is very far away from US ?
It is because Mexico have poor quality leadership who never cares for the poor and middle class people.
Jasmin's argument "why do the Palestinians not just leave and go into another Arab country" is insane and shows how little she understands about the history of the conflict. With this logic, the Boors in South Africa could have said "the Black people should just leave South Africa after having been oppressed by the white minority for 250 years and go into one of the many neighboring "black" countries. Why did this work with the Germans - e.g. why did the vast majority of the German people accepted to have given up vast territories in the East after the lost world war is a different question ... which I don't want to go into now.
You compare things, that are totally different.
She's incredibly idiotic, ignorant, and unprincipled on the matter.
@@Dr.Seltsam100but still is her suggestion bullsh...t😢.
Except my people didn't oppress black people for 250 years, it shows you how little you understand about the history of South Africa. South Africa, the Union of South Africa, is only a little over a hundred years old. And before the English unified the Union it did so over the corpses of the Boer republics and different black kingdoms at the time. So how exactly did my Boer ancestors oppress black people for 250 years? Can you give me an example?
The Cape Colony, which the English took over from the Dutch and started expanding into black kingdoms and the eventual Boer Republics, only started its expansion about 200 years ago, and they were a separate group from my people (the Boer) and the Cape Dutch who were also an entirely different group at that time subjugated by the English. Bantus aren't native of South Africa, they've been here for about 1500 years, during which time they displaced Khoi people (according to genetics they killed the men and took the woman which was normal in that period), so the question becomes how far do we go back to call people colonizers and non-natives and why?
You don't want to go into the question of the ethnic cleansing of German communities in the East after and before ww2, in some cases even before ww1, because it doesn't fit your political narrative to acknowledge Germans as human beings.
@@startfromwithin8107 Not really. You're operating on an idealist position, and technically so is Mearsheimer, because you want to pretend there is fairness in the world, and you want to pretend that people all treat each other with respect. History both past and present tell a different story. I see no reason why a German should support Palestinians against Israeli ethnic cleansing if Palestinians don't oppose the ethnic cleansing of Germans that occurred in recent history. Why should people treat others better than others treat them?
She said she doesn't know nothing about the conflict, but 10 minutes later she talks about the videos people are circulating about Gaza being "a great place", talks about Palestinians having passports... When it comes to knowing about the Palestinians being murders she just says "I don't know much about it". What a joke...
“…Because they are Palestinian and that’s their land and they don’t wanna leave…” priceless
Actually it isn't their land. The reason most Palestinians have Egyptian and Syrian surnames is because their very recent ancestors migrated there when it was a British Mandate, looking for work, and prior to that from around 1900's when the Ottomans started building infrastructure such as railways. This lie of ownership now seems to be widely accepted but a simple Google search tells a different story. The whole Mandate area, including present day Jordan had a total population of less than 1 million yet today millions claim to be Palestinians and refugees by descent.
@@margaretcaine4219 80% of Palestinians have over 50% of Canaanite ancestry. So no.
@@margaretcaine4219 and afro Americans have English surnames. I guess they're from England now
Most Palestinians don't have Egyptian or Syrian surnames. They have Islamic surnames. You're just making stuff because you Zionists always lie. @@margaretcaine4219
@@margaretcaine4219 Don't believe Israeli propaganda. It is mostly Palestinian land. See Wiki's page on the demographic history of Palestine for a more nuanced view eg Justin McCarthy......
...evidence for Muslim immigration into Palestine is minimal. Because no Ottoman records of that immigration have yet been discovered, one is thrown back on demographic analysis to evaluate Muslim migration..
From analyses of rates of increase of the Muslim population of the three Palestinian sanjaks, one can say with certainty that Muslim immigration after the 1870s was small. Had there been a large group of Muslim immigrants their numbers would have caused an unusual increase in the population and this would have appeared in the calculated rate of increase from one registration list to another... Such an increase would have been easily noticed; it was not there.
The argument that Arab immigration somehow made up a large part of the Palestinian Arab population is thus statistically untenable. The vast majority of the Palestinian Arabs resident in 1947 were the sons and daughters of Arabs who were living in Palestine before modern Jewish immigration began. There is no reason to believe that they were not the sons and daughters of Arabs who had been in Palestine for many centuries
Thank you, John Mearsheimer, for your frankness on the Palestinian issue. I am truly amazed at how successfully the "lobby" has frightened even very intelligent Germans into submission to their propaganda. Trying to explain this with "agnosticism" in the face of what the whole world can witness every single day makes me very sad and almost hopeless. Perhaps the seed you have planted will grow into a small plant of hope, even if it seems weak at first.
well said....
"very intelligent Germans!?"
As always when it comes to complex topics, J.Kosubek exposes her unlimited naivety. Other than that, what a gift to listen to Prof. Mearsheimer.
Dumb comment. Yes, this interview is all about Mearsheimer. Surprised?
@@miloszforman6270
Not dumb. She likes the sound of her own voice and interrupts with shallow remarks she hasn't thought through.
@@donodono2287
You and others think it's "naive" not to support Palestinian Arab chauvinism. But that's only the result of you and the like of you are merely consuming the dumbest Hamas propaganda, and you can't accept that there are ways of thinking other than this propaganda tells you.
It isn't naivety, be fair. The fact is, neither side want to accept the reality and the issue have become to complex due to stubborness and the reality is that others arabs countries have a vested interest in keeping this conflict going.
“When China comes to us : we got new bridges, hospitals or schools, when US comes to us - we got lectures “ from Africa
Das ist leider nicht korrekt.
Urheber ist der namibianische Präsident. Er sagte, dass er von Deutschland eine Predigt erhalte. Von Deutschland. Und die Deutschen sollen nicht über China reden, sondern über ihre eigenen Probleme und vor der eigenen Haustür kehren.
Bitte richtig informieren.
Können wohl mehrere gesagt haben nehme ich an😂
@@MarcoZeunerthere was a saying in Germany after the war, during the occupation: "the British promise nothing and deliver nothing, the Russians promise everything and deliver nothing, the Americans promise nothing and deliver everything." (A History of Germany 1945-1947).
@@jakebarnes28 what exactly?
@@jakebarnes28 What does a 80 year old saying have anything to do with the world we're living in? The US was the last industrialized country standing in 1945. Now its industry has mostly hollowed out and is living in their long past glory by sucking wealth and resources from the rest of the world. Things have changed.
Great interview. I'm glad the German police didn't arrest Prof. Mearsheimer for saying unflattering things about Israel. hahaha
They did to Celtic fans vs Dortmund. Shame on them.
That would be terrible PR, that's the only reason they didn't arrested him
@@baitman2368 Give them time.
Warte nur ab.
I'm pretty sure she said at the start that they were in London.
She basically saying gaza ain’t a apartheid because it’s pretty .. like blaming a prisoner for decorating his cell and telling him it’s not a cell anymore
This is how every other European and western ate grown up and Now Indian hindu are be making blind over Muslim with whatever poison possible
💯💯💯 she is ridiculous
Jajaja right, she's so silly . So cute.
Unser Girly hat sich gut gehalt;en bis zum letzten 1/4, da wurde es dann doch peinlich.
Es mag ja sein, dass es am Strand schön ist aber die Lebensbedingungen in Gaza sind es nicht. Die Menschen können sich nicht entfalten.
Und akzeptieren muss man das noch lange nicht und sich auch noch vertreiben lassen.
Die Südafrikaner oder Inder haben auch lange Kämpfen müssen, um sich die Freiheit zu erkämpfen.
In den USA hat es auch lange gedauert, bis die Apartheid gefallen ist.
Und die Israelis haben sich jetzt in eine ausweglose Situation manövriert. Mal schauen, ob die in einem Jahr die Apartheid noch aufrecht erhalten können oder ob es Israel überhaupt noch gibt?
Die Zeiten haben sich geändert, die Gegner sind stark geworden und der Unwertewesten unterschätzt das völlig.
Ohne die Unterstützung des Unwertewestens wäre Israel schon lange nicht mehr existent. Und Israel ist durch den Genozid isoliert. Nicht mal die verbündeten stehen voll dahinter. Wirtschaftlich geht es abwärts, Schiffe können nicht mehr anlanden. 2 Millionen Israelis schauen sich nach einer neuen Heimat um.
Gegen die Hisbollah kommen Sie militärisch nicht an. Der letzte Angriff gegen den Iran war wirkungslos und der Iron Dome ist löscherig wie Schweizer Käse.
She was just wondering. If you would explain it to her she would probably understand..
Mearsheimer is the voice of reason in our times..
Jasmin is making some very stupid comments. Why should Palestinians leave their land? Why doesn’t Netanyahu go back to Poland? I’m not buying this “I’m agnostic” BS. Jasmine is playing dumb.
@@BalkanMode she knows exactly what's going on.
Even JM found it difficult to hide his revulsion at her questions and statements.
He caught his disgust pretty quickly and channeled it into maintaining his composure which allowed the conversation to remain constructive.
I could not be that professional and I doubt there are many out there that can fully comprehend the coldness and cruelty of what she was saying while remaining calm.
She should be in the kitchen, but maybe came there by mistake.
As a polish person - they hate Poles. They will hate no matter where they go.
@@davidap257 She is quite stupid.
@@davidap257 Very stupid.
Wow. She basically says "just accept being driven off your land!" At least she's honest but very disgusting.
Very disgusting also that Europeans drove out natives from America and Australia, right?
And FYI it was the Arabs who first ethnically cleansed the Arabic peninsula from Jews and Christians.
And now imagine a woman like this with the power of USA. The whole world would burn. 😂
And she does not explain how can Palestinians leave Palestine without some other country accepting them. Does Germany accept all Gazans if they want to leave? What about US? What about Egypt or Jordan? This is like asking Jews to leave Germany in 1935. Did anyone give unconditional visas to all Jews in Germany at that time?
Only most affluent Gazans could leave for Egypt by paying tens of thousands of bribes. Just like only few Jews could leave Germany during Holocaust.
Jasmin explained to us all that there are "acceptable" ethnic cleansing and some other were "unacceptable". Some may wonder where is that fine line? It is very simply: depends on lobbyists, PR/public opinion shaping agencies and money poured in.
Or maybe "acceptable" ethnic cleansing became a thing in 2023 so everything before (but after WW2!) was barbaric by those damned Serbs/Arabs/Russians/.
Anyway she is right with this point.
Some millions of germans had to leave their homelands because of the results of 2WW.
What world would we live is this german people never restarted an rebuild their life ??
Mearsheimer was beyond patient against the ignorance he had to endure there. That's a truly incredible skill.
Jasmin admits she doesnt understand anything about Gaza but I worry about her moral compass
Especially when she says she doesn’t understand why other countries don’t just accept 2m Palestinian refugees! Jasmine, would you like to welcome 2m Palestinian refugees in Germany since your govt supports Israel? Probably not! This situation is similar with many other countries but as the Professor quite rightly points out to you why should the Palestinians go somewhere when they have their own land?! 🤯
And I worry yours and all Muslims who know perectly well, this is about the eradication of Israel, whilst knowing and ignoring what is happening in YEMEN where the same culprits are at play: IRAN, HOUTHIS and of course: ISLAM!
Nope, she is uneducated and hypocritical.
@ElenaMorell-v7e you lot can't see wood for trees. She will never talk about Israel honestly as Russia with Iran were the architects of the problem. She is a Russian stooge
@@ElenaMorell-v7e yes. she really lost it there. she started saying random stuff, while claiming she doesn't know the topic, that she's agnostic, at the same time that she was interrupting him for offering some facts....and also she starts spewing bizarre theories about how people are massacred all the time why can't they just accept it, and besides, their beach was beautiful, so they must accept to give it up, and leave, and accept occupation, and not leave, and stay, and go to the beach.....WOW....
The second she said, "i am agnostic to the situation and see strange things," made me realise how she is not a true journalist nor a decent human being. How can you see day in and day out children being slaughtered, orphaned , amputated, etc... and feel agnostic?
Truly remarkable how people, especially Germans, given their history that they can be "agnostic"
Power of the lobby truly being displayed here as John points out!
He just proves his point even more.
Support her in interviewing him on her platform but not her spineless character with regard to the genocide.
She is a hostage of censorship in Germany and has to be very careful at what she says to avoid criminal prosecution.
Guilt for WW2
And neither are you for not mentioning YEMEN and who is responsible: IRAN AND THE HOUTHIS: the same as those responsible for attacking the Jews and causing the Gaza crisis - along with Russia!
Germans slowly but surely are on the way back to their old ways.
Palestinians should not have to pay for Germany’s guilt -
She talks so much about a topic she said she's not sure of(Israel). If it's me I'd just shut up and listen. I do appreciate at the end she's done a 180 turn. Good job John for staying cool through all this. You're are a true teacher.
The ignorance of Frau Kosubek is astounding. I’m even more in awe of Professor Mearsheimer for the infinite patience and tolerance he displayed during the interview
She completely admits her lack of knowledge
@@SarahAshelford-o1u yes, but the way she constructs her questions presumes an established opinion which is often misinformed
@ yes I see your point
Isn't that the point? She channels common opinions which he then can refute.
@@SarahAshelford-o1u thank you, Sarah
John Mearsheimer is taking a moral position and not a political one! John Mearsheimer has skillfully cornered Jasmin Kosubek, and hopefully, this will help her see the reality more clearly.
Yes, to him, and any logical thinking person, morality is just that, regardless of race, colour, creed, or social status.
This thinking, this superior mindset that somehow immoral actions become less so depending on which side you are on, is immoral in itself.
There's nothing moral about Mearsheimer, which his support for Russia's imperialism and genocide against Ukraine.
It's not moral position . It just an honest academic pragmatism .He is a pro American , pragmatic thinker who wants the preservation of American dominance because he understands that Americans enjoy particular life style only thanks to control of capital markets and return on investments. Losing that means a collapse of American society as we know it.
@@RedXlV when Ukraine turned into Anti-Russia and all Russian soeaking (half of Ukraine population if not more) were in fear of their life. Ukraine (with puch of USA) had started an internal military action against russian-speaking Eastern regions in 2014. That in turn forsed Russia to "annex" Crimea, and do not forget that vast majority of Crimea population clearly expressed their desire to be a part of Russia in 1990's, and in 2014. The people wo lived in Crimea for generations cosider the Crimean land sacred because it was soaked with Russian blood. There always lived people of differen ethnic background - Greek, tatars, Russians and many others.
@@emilialauer7724 Literally *none* of that is true. There never was any military action against Russian-speakers, and the majority of Ukraine's population is anti-Russian because of Russia's actions against Ukraine.
It’s kind of sad to see how afraid Germans are to say anything critical of Israel. “Never Again” should apply to all people
Watching this from New Zealand.
Jasmin is getting schooled by the world’s best and she still keeps on digging her hole.
Jasmin shut up and listen.
Be respectful and learn.
I agree. She wasn’t being respectful in the end. Like a pubescent child, not willing to accept facts.
True
Well compared to your CovidLockdown president* Mrs Arden - Jasmin is a perfekt moderator. NZ could be proud to have such Jasmin women in politics.
I think she did well and was receptive for the majority of the interview. But it's amazing to see reason and logic run head into the programming absorbed by osmosis and exposure to the Zionist propaganda seeded throughout the world by Israel
@@walterstoll8043Feel free to worship and keep her in Germany. No one wants a genocide sympathizer.
She really does not know what’s going on in Palestine. There’s no point debating such a person.
She says she doesn’t know about the conflict. But she knows it’s not to be called a genocide and Palestinians should give up their land. What a disgusting hypocrite just like 99% av all westerners
Making them look incredibly Stoopid has great rhetorical value
Most viewers won't know much about the topic, so it's actually the PERFECT opportunity to explain your view.
Nah she's just following the mass media arguments.
Mearsheimer: It’s been five minute already; Ukraine needs to accept its new Russian overlords. It’s unfair, but so what?
Also Mearsheimer: Gazans should never accept the Israeli state, even after decades. Fairness is the most important!
Maybe Jasmin Kosubek can give her home and her country to israelis and stop asking us to do it for her? Then we can have peace?
@@historydiscover return land to the Jews and go back to SA. Amazigh people are saying “Arabs came to our land on camels but will return on airplanes”. The same thing is here
@@historydiscover you are the proverbial imperialist, it’s time to revisit the history of your ancestors and reevaluate what they have done to others
@@NJIT22 you would only be able to say it is 'jewish land' after 30 years of British occupation and the destruction of over 500 Palestinian villages from 1947-1949
indeed. Germans can go elsewhere 🤣
She pretends to be stupid on Gaza and then end up casually defending ethnically cleansing them.
"Why don't you just go to other countries?"
Why don't you accept the Israelis in your country?
🎯🎯🎯
Yes, she was not well prepared in in some ways i would say she is very naive. I was a bit disappointed. Following her channel since a while (in German) and she had great interviews most of the time. Jasmin obviously needs a bit more education on this topic.
@mojedsamad7184 exactly. Why wasn’t her FIRST response “if Israel would just give them back their land the fighting would end”.
Because colonizers honestly believe they have the right to take whatever they want. It’s western civilizations only history and all they can identify with 🤷🏻♀️
@kathiduran9583 there was never such thing as Palestinian state and Jerusalem is called Jerusalem for a reason. Who are the colonizers here?
@@allydea Sure Bevis. Jerusalem was called Al Quds long before the imposter joo-converts came to steal the lands. You have a homeland, it's called Khazaria. Now skidooo & go back.
Prof Mearsheimer is one of the most lucid minds on earth. It's a shame that clear thinking is so rare.
The answer to the genocide question is simple: there is a legal threshold, look up "genocide convention 1948"
Why do the neigboring states not help ? Even though support for Palestinian rights is overwelming, those are not democratic states so their leaders do not make decicions based on the will of the public.
I think Germany has a serious problem understanding this matter. According to international law, Gaza, west bank, east Jerusalem, Golan heights and the Jordan Valley are illegal settlements under International law. This means all unlawful settlers will have to be removed from those areas.
To add to your point, Regimes in Jordan and Egypt are propped up by the United States. See list of US aid recipients. As for Saudi Arabia, the tyrannical rulers are afraid of their subjugated population and count on the US to keep them in power, an example was when the current crown prince wanted to overthrow his cousin he needed the green light from the White House and when Obama seemingly said no, they waited for Trump who agreed in return for arm deals and basically shaking down the Saudis.
israel will grab land, and never give it back, like it did with Golan Heights which belongs to Syria
The legal threshold you refer to was established by Raphael Lemkin a Polish Jew who coined the term genocide and campaigned for establishlishment for the Genocide Convention which produced the "legal threshold" based on the Holocaust.
Also the neighbornig countries don't have the military to do anything, and most of them depend on US's aid
@@charlesscott4722 They have more military than Hamas.
Good conversation but I think there was a major misconception implicit in one of Jasmin's questions during the Israel-Gaza section of this podcast. Her question implied that the Palestinians are i) a population of refugees, ii) that that has been their status since their displacement in 1948 and iii) they should come to terms with their loss and move on because iv) it is a foregone conclusion that they are not going to get their country back and their fight is therefore futile. That may or may not be true for Palestinians living in refugee camps in the surrounding Arab countries who might never be permitted back into what is today Israel proper. But what about the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza? Granted some of them are refugees from the Nakba (1948) who were expelled from what became Israel. But they are now living on land - the West Bank and Gaza - where they are a clear majority and that does not legally belong to Israel. This land could form the basis of a Palestinian State in the event of a two state solution. Should they accept their permanent statelessness? Should they leave and go elsewhere as refugees to eventually be assimilated into another country? Or should they struggle for their rights and self-determination on territory which i) has historically been their's, ii) where they are still living as an overwhelming majority and iii) that has been earmarked by the United Nations as the basis of an eventual Palestinian state.
It is incorrect to say that the Palestinians are a majority in Gaza as jews are simply not allowed there. Gaza was free of jews since 2006, when Israel left Gaza completely in the pursuit of peace. What happened next was that Hamas took over. Gaza had the chance and the freedom to determinate themselves since 2006. Yet Hamas chose terror.
And unfortunately an overwhelming majority of Palestinians do not fight for and do not want a two-state solution. They want the whole territory and the jews gone. Check the channel „ask an Israeli/ask a Palestinian“. You will hear their answers.
@@svenr.8365😂😂😂really? Are u sure? It IS completely thé opposite. Who rejects since the beginning the 2 staats solution? Even the UNO is completely ignored.
Those in Gaza and Westbank should join Israel, the best choice they could make for themselves and their children. But they wont do that and probably even if they would want to now, I don't think Israel could accept it at this point. All sails a set for war now and the lines are as blurry as they have never been. Your remark about history is simply wrong for the fact that the history of this place is much older than the ethnic people identifying themselves as Palestinian. Heck the Islam is the youngest of the three big religions yet they have the wildest claims about history. Don't let these things get to your head, all religious fanatics will tell you the same no matter from which side. The logical choice would be to let history rest and settle with an agreement under which all involved people can be okay with. Issue is now, can you find such an agreement between people living a dogmatic philosophy?
If I had a say in German politics about this, I would withdraw any financial help for Palestine via UN and any help for Israel, UNTIL, both sides would stop any hostile actions and start seriously talking to each other how their people can live in peace.
And that will require from both to step back from historical and religious claims, and settle on the shared humanity. For someone not trapped in a dogmatic world view this seems rather simple.
@@svenr.8365 Your description of what happened in Gaza in 2006 is completely inaccurate. Gaza was occupied by Israel in 1967 during the course of a war. The Israeli settlements that were built in Gaza were illegal because under international law it is illegal to transfer a population into an occupied territory. Furthermore, the settlements, in both the Gaza and the West Bank, were a major obstacle to the peaceful resolution of the conflict because they undermined the viability of a future Palestinian state. When Israel left Gaza in 2006, they dismantled settlements (which should not have been there in the first place because they were a violation of international law), but they did not dismantle the occupation. In fact, they maintained their control over the borders, the surrounding waters as well as the airspace, deciding who and what could go in and go out. Over time, the occupation was turned into a brutal, suffocating siege which only allowed in the minimal number of calories to ensure Gazans had only just enough sustenance to survive. Gaza was turned into a barely habitable concentration camp, in order to make the lives of the Palestinian inhabitants unbearable so that they would leave. Moreover, the settler withdrawal from Gaza was part of a broader plan to accelerate settlement building in the West Bank, which was also a major violation of international law and which the Israelis proceeded to do immediately after "leaving" Gaza. They withdrew 8 to 9 thousand settlers from Gaza, but in the following year alone introduced 12 thousand new settlers into the West Bank.
@ Sorry, but this is complete nonsense.
First of all it is totally normal, that a sovereign state maintains control over it‘s own borders. This is part of the definition of being a state. And furthermore it is unevitable if Your neighbour endlessly commits terror attacs on Your country. This argument is childish.
And why do You think that Israel has any obligation to supply water to Gaza? Why do You not ask that from Egypt, that has a border to Gaza by the way too? Israel had no control of the border to Egypt, so all Your further arguments are nonsense too. How could Israel prevent Egypt from providing anything to Gaza from its own border?
Few other countries got such huge amounts of international aid that did Gaza. And where is all the money? No water supply. No own educational system. Nothing for the population. But terror tunnels and rockets. And Hamas leaders who are billionaires. And by the way: How did they leave Gaza to go to Qatar if it is so closed up? 🤦🏻♀️
If the situation would be the way that You describe it, I would agree with You. No doubt. But it is not.
Still I feel really sorry for the population of Gaza because they are being used by the iranian mullahs and other islamists to put pressure and to perpetrate terror on Israel. Gazans should be freed from Hamas and Iran.
Her German guilt for something she wasnt even born around that time is her dying on a hill illogically defending Israel under all circumstances
It's not guilt, it's obedience
The lady needs either to stay quiet or educate herself on the Palestinian conflict, she sounds like a 15 year old ignorant teenager. Johs as always is very balanced in his assesment
Yeees!
1. Former Roman Empire capturer Adrian invaded into Jewish land and tried to rename it into palestine, into so called palestine a country that never existed, in retaliation against Jewish people for resistance to occupation. 2. In 1946 Jordan got created for them already but on 70 % Jewish land. 3. In 1948 Israel, with thousand years history, got re-established following WW2, after being captured by foreins invadors former various former Empires who oppressed and discriminated against Jewish people. 4. Terminology "palestinans" got created in 1964 by KGB from former USSR and its agent, arafat from Egypt for those who invaded Jewish land from nearby countries. 5. In 2005 Israel gave up on Gaza territories and forcebly removed all Jewish people from thier homes in Gaza in exchange for territories from promised peace. But those who live in gaza voted and choise ham as and its idiology, built millitary zone with tunnels under hospitals, houses and schools despite of getting humanitarian help and trillions with intent to live peracfully with its neighbors violated cease fire numerous times. 6. How Israel should reasonable respond to terror attacks, took hostages and bombarding on ongoing basis by those who commited, welcomed and supported 10/7/23 Saturday during Jewish holidays and promissed to contunue the same again and again? 7. Facts are important. Peace to all.
Ok she has screwed up now with the argument 1h25m 😂
No you can’t steal someones land and not expect the people to resist!!
Yea that shit was weird, she was turning full german there
It really went down hill at 1h 20m.... But this is the situation Germans are currently in. One day it will change as our understanding about the past evolves.
@@Phil-n7c it's not the past that's the problem, it is the present and the future. You guys think you are hot shit, even if you didn't commit the holocaust you would still be morally abhorrent people all around because the whole west is germany or not. Do not use the Nazis as a shield, event the anti-nazis suck. Heck it was fucking Stalin who supported Israel like Marx ordered him to do it.
@@Midorimatt-v8k
*Was hat das mit "ganz deutsch" zu tun? Wenn, dann nur etwas mit "ganz anti-deutsch".*
@@michaelschutz5817 germans try to answer an english comment in english. Impossible
.one of the best bits was watching Jasmin Kosubek visibly "paralised" when it came to "accepting/accommodating" a criticism of Israel! She cut off John's response again and again, repeating herself, while declaring being "agnostic" on the issue... That was a WOW moments for me to experience someone who considers herself well-informed to sweat like that and as John pointed out , it shows the power of the Israeli lobbey- globally! And thanks to that attitude after 40000+ Palestinians murdered, our "fair" Jasmin simply suggests/implies that the Palestinian survival is worth a lot less than the survival of an Apartheid/mass murdering state. In this day and age, as Mearsheimer points out, it takes great courage, dedication, honesty and resilience to confront the truth , when it comes to Israel. I can highly recommend the internationally respected, award winning Israeli journalist, Gideon Levy who more or less says the same thing as John Mearsheimer. PS: one question Jasmin did not ask is this: "would the state of Israel need to/ could exist without the Holocaust? AND "should Germany be more responsible for the plight of the Palestinians because of the Holocaust?" ps2:A good interview . .
Amazed to see how an intelligent person works so hard to look stupid...jasmin is painful to see playing the genocide down...
No way she is intelligent. She asked stupid questions thruout, not just on the Gaza issue. The Gaza issue just illustrated her intellectual dishonesty and her refusal to acknowledge facts presented to her by one of the most knowledgeable minds in the world.
Now I’m thinking - how could you presume to invite someone as famous and educated as John Mearsheimer, attempt to pose geopolitical arguments, while not even being prepared on contemporary Israeli / Palestinian history? You basically failed your debate session by showing up totally unprepared.
both wars are American proxy wars but yet you support one
She is not unprepared, she just would not accept the facts, she tried to put some ambivalence in to the subject but she failed, that is why she appeared as a kind moron here;the antipathy for migrants is so great that anything they might believe ought to be wrong
@@overseeingeye exactly, I would be mortified to see such a terrible performance of myself. I remember preparing harder for grade school presentations, forget grad school 😂😂.
@@LakeNeeks Right? And to think that it was deemed fit to post online...
@@overseeingeye yeah it was painful to watch her grasp for one straw man argument after another 😂
Professor John Mearsheimer is wrong about that the USA has provided a lot of wepons to Ukraine.
4600 F-16 have been produced. Zero have been provided to Ukraine by the US.
4800 Abrams Tanks have been produced. 32 have been provided by the US to Ukraine. Put that in proportion to that Ukraine has destroyed over 9000 Russian tanks, over 18800 Armored Personnel Carriers and 20000 artillery units.The US has enormous stockpiles of phased out weapons in the desert. Yet they are only drip feeding the bare minimum for Ukraine to not collapse.
Chapeau Fr. Kosubek! Den Herrn Mearsheimer - einer der ganz Großen - vors Mikrofon zu bekommen - tolle Leistung und Kompliment!
Ich kann den Kerl nicht für voll nehmen. Russland ist nicht so stark, aber sie treten gerade der ganzen NATO in den Arsch. China hat noch nie einen modernen Krieg gekämpft oder gewonnen, aber die sind die ultimative Bedrohung für die USA. Die haben zwar keine Navy, von der man sprechen könnte, aber die sind echt gefährlich … der Typ reden wie ein US-Politiker mit wenig Ahnung übers Militär. Da gibt es bessere Gäste zu dem Thema als ihn und ich hoffe, die kommen auch mal zu Wort.
Genau DAS wollte ich gerade schreiben! Ich denke Frau Kosubek ist genau die Richtige für ein derartiges Interview, aber zugegeben, auch eine "schwergewichtige Aufgabe!"
Those who control EurAsia control the World
JH Mackinder
He is not gonna save your ass anyway!
Hallo Jasmin, dieses Interview ist großartig! Du stellst die Fragen, die man sich unweigerlich stellt wenn man sich dieses politische Trauerspiel anschaut, die aber in den Systemmedien einfach nicht vorkommen, geschweige fachlich fundiert diskutiert werden. Danke an Prof. Mearsheimer.
I could listen to prof. Mearsheimer for hours!
He's in the catbird seat
Same
if you're simple boy you can listen to his bs
@@zetristan4525 he is more like a dumb bird
@@AstraGem-u5q 'That's just not a serious argument'
I wish Mearsheimer would say the same for Ukraine like he is saying for Palestine: Palestinian has the right to fight back their land that was stolen by Israel. But he don't. He say that Ukraine shall stand down against the aggressor Russia for "peace". So he treats the two differently, why? This is the point where Mearsheimer becomes implausible for me.
"independent" Ukraine is not a player but a pawn. It decided to be one, so it has no voice now.
A good interview turned into a large confusion at the end. Appreciate John's clear views.
Palestinians cannot have a better life outside of greater isreal. There is no where for them to go. As a german, she can't see that.
John sometimes gets things wrong. For example, 7:57 he keeps pushing the falsehood that China is a threat to the United States rather than the other way 'round. Secondly, he maintains that one of the principal reasons the Kiev regime is losing is that it does not have sufficient armaments 10:15 whereas their biggest problem is that they are running out of men.
The lady is asking stupid questions without a clue about the subject. Will never watch her interviews again. She has to do her homework before interviewing such great people.
Pro. Mearsheimer clarified so much for me. I had little to no understanding truth until his wisdom and being intellectually enlightened! Thank you for allowing us to see and hear this brilliance!!!!
Her “agnostic” view on Israel is very close to accepting genocide as natural. Let’s say a very racional “final solution” for a land dispute between the original owners and the thieves. Certain things never change…
Yes. And what does „agnostic“ in this terms even means? It’s a lazy excuse for being ill informed.
@@katrinweigel3796 Ja, eine unpassende und blöde Ausrede. Agnostic does not mean stupid or naive.
She is German after all!
Thank you for teaching Jasmine a lesson. She was acting naively while she knows it all.
In South Africa 🇿🇦 it would have been a fight forever, De Klerk understood this very well. That’s the reason for the transition to the status quo of today.
What i found horrifying about the "final solution " was not the numbers murdered . But the fact that it was carried out in such a "matter of fact " manner ,by a civilised nation . Listening to this intelligent lady , who can be agnostic about a similar situation happening in Gaza , obviously her brain works differently to mine. " Her point being "As the palestinians can't win they should pack up and go and if they won't they must accept their faith . Unlike the Israelis ,most of show have duel nationalities ,the palestinians have nowhere else to go
You claim that Israel pursues a policy of "the final solution" towards the Palestinians. How exactly are they doing it? Do they build extermination camps to deliberately murder all of them?
I could see john visibly confused as she was having a moral quandary on the Palestinian issue, "the beaches are nice, so why are they complaining ? "
Confused? He was shocked, aghast & angry. He controlled his emotions very well. He's quite amazing...👏
whew she’s COLD HEARTED when it comes to the Palestinians undergoing ethnic cleansing, horrifying as a German
I was watching this thinking all the time "If she is an alternative, I can imagine how Germans are kucked up." When she started to talk about Gaza, I almost started to cry. Germans would still like to move people in cattle trains.
She went full mask off
Wir Deutschen sind naiv und hörig. Wir haben eine große aber auch schlimme Geschichte hinter uns. Wir bringen diese schlimme Geschichte in wirklich allen Angelegenheiten unseres Lebens ein. Selbst unsere jüngere Generation fühlt sich schuldig, selbst wenn sie 50+ Jahre nach dem 2. Weltkrieg geboren wurde. Dadurch haben wir keine Identität. Wir suchen in den verschiedensten Gruppen nach Identität. Einige Deutsche sind völlig davon eingenommen. Sie fühlen sich derartig schuldig, dass sie ständig irrationale Dinge tun, die vermeintlich gut sind. Diese Leute werden hier sogar als "Gut-Mensch" bezeichnet. Gutmenschen wollen das Weltklima von Deutschland aus retten. Gutmenschen verändern ständig die Sprache um keinen zu diskriminieren. Gutmenschen verschließen die Augen davor, dass es in Deutschland sehr viele Obdachlose gibt und alte Menschen in Mülleimern nach Pfandflaschen dutchwühlen. Die meisten Deutschen haben kaum Eigenkapital. Deutsche haben eine extrem hohe Steuerlast, um irgendwelche vermeintlich sozialen Sachen zu finanzieren.
Dabei sind in Deutschland abweichende Ansichten oder ein Hinterfragen absolut Tabu. Unsere Nationalflagge und -hymmne (nicht die der Nazis) werden teilweise als rechtsextrem bezeichnet.
Das Problem sind die Medien und die Parteien, die diese Mentalität fördern und uns unsere Schuld ständig eintrichtern. Jasmin zeigt Das, wie unsere Gesellschaft denkt. Ich vermute sie fragt bewusst provokant, um die Widersprüche herauszustellen.
Obwohl ich mich in Deutschland wie im Irrenhaus fühle, muss ich sagen, dass die meisten keine schlechten Menschen sind. Sie sind nur völlig manipuliert.
@@soulsmouls I almost started to cry as well when she started ......And yes, she went full mask off....as one of the commentators above said, she's agnostic but all the way pro-israel, hhhhh amazing.....but heart breaking.....
@@JarirTabari-vl6qr Know you Enemy. Germans will always be Germans. Might-makes-right has always been part of their culture.
she worked for RT. She is a russian shill.
You know what I think after 3 years of lisening to Professor John Meirsheimer? What a nice guy,
Thank god he's not taken seriously in the US.
@@hermesliteratus882 Of course, we would not want to not have all those forever wars, would we?
@@hermesliteratus882why would you? Afterall Americans are war mongers. Without wars and dropping bombs they cannot breath
@@hermesliteratus882 The part I did not like the professor is when he involves terrorists groups like Hamas and Hezbollath into the equation.
The war may be a disaster because Israel is fighting a war with a faceless terrorists groups funded by other countries with vested interest in keeping the struggle endless.
"agnostic" is such nice word to describe ignorances; the absent of the care for, and the absent of the honest effort to dig the facts and to really know the reality of it, and then to follow up by taking proper stance upon the matter for the sake of higher morals and humanity.
please stop giving your western biased opinion Jasmin Kosubek. Ridiculous to hear you talking about the war Israel is conducting and how emotional you became during the interview! You say you're agnostic. You're not, you're just ignorant. It's a little embarrassing..
Very well said
If you listend to them at about 1:32 you can realize that some of her Arguments are under the fear to get canceld.so I am Happy that this Interview happend at all
@@mojitostinson she opposes the West on Ukraine, yet supports USA on Israel. As if she was saying like yeah, Russia is a big country, strong nation, we should've considered them equal and treat properly, but Palestinians are not worth thinking about - just pack your stuff and be off to another country.
Agnostic, what a hell is the host doing here in this point! The guest is a very intelligent, and she takes an umbrella of “agnostic and I don’t know history “.
That's cop out she either wasn't prepared for this discussion topic... rather she should of said my understanding at this moment...
The Palestinians should not accept theft, imprisonment nor their slaughter. I knew a black south African. He told me he was a child in the Apartheid era, and visited Switzerland with his mother through his Swiss father. He begged his mother to allow them to move to Switzerland.
His mother gave him a lesson he has never forgotten. "This is our country. And no racist thug or people is going to drive me or my family away from my homeland or yours."
And shame on those Western nations enabling this slaughter. PS. Apartheid South Africa was beautiful, too
It only took a minute and the world famous professor spoke about the inhuman genocide in Gaza. Have the courage to speak openly. Thank you Jasmin, great talk!
🇮🇱 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי 🇮🇱
What and where is israel ? Is that a country
@@DemokratiedesProletariats yes they live and much better than the Palestinians because they are not occupied.
@@vanessabernardo3124 If they stop the violence against Jews, the Palestinians will also live better.
Always a pleasure to listen to Prof. Mearsheimer. This is a welcome change from the provincial German mainstream media.
What a crass view on being agnostic and expecting Palestinians to give up their fight! Also, in "other players" if you count other countries of the world, most of the world overwhelmingly supports Palestinian state and oppose Israeli Settlements. Its like asking and pleading a bully to stop bullying and then in the end asking the bullied to just leave because bully is not ready to stop. Further, such a position would never have been acceptable as being "agnostic" if it was a developed western nation in place of Palestine under occupation and genocide.otherwise your video is good. Its always good to hear Prof. Mearsheimer.
The interview was good until Jasmin became a pubescent teenager when it came to the Gaza genocide. I found that incredibly exhausting to watch. Initially, her professionalism was excellent, also the good English was remarkable. But then the hysterical little girl came out on the genocide issue. With such an outspoken expert in the interview, it was very embarrassing. Why can’t Germans accept the fact that Israel is committing a genocide? Is it so hard to face the facts?
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@@indridi It is rather simple because it’s not Genocide. It won’t become Genocide when a so called „outspoken expert“ says so. I respect Prof Mearsheimer but I don’t agree with him on this. Check back History to Hitler - Pol Pot and Idi Amin, if you need some examples for Genocide. What’s happening in Gaza is war with collateral damage. The truth may be hard on you but it won’t change therefore.
@@Anemoia100 The Interview was good until Mearsheimer changed form a scientist to an activist.
very well said. there was in fact an adolescent in her that came out, and made her sound silly and vacuous...
Ask yourself why they can't accept the fact about genocide?
In the end the interviewer threw out both logic and empathy..."why don't they" - emphasising that the Palestinians should simpy shut up shop and leave despite centuries of connection to the land.
And in the context of how other ethic groups & nationalities historically have endeavoured to push back when being disposed, why must the Palestinians be different or an exception?
Could you imagine telling an American or Englishman something like that if someone encroached on their property?
Also, as the Professor righty said, you need to think empathically. How would you feel if you were in the same situation as the Palestinians?
Lastly, the interviewer, ignorantly or arrogantly, or both, generalises, suggesting that Palestinians in essence are Arabs just like all the other people in the middle east are all Arabs
Imagine thinking this way about ALL the people in Europe?
Imagine thinking this way about ALL the people in Asia?
Imagine thinking this way about ALL the people in the America's?
I am still shocked with this complete and total blindness the Germans have about Gaza and Palestine. It shows a total egocentrism about projecting their historical guilty on contemporaneous reality.
I'm German and this silly girl certainly does not represent me
Would love to see an interview with you and Prof. Jeffrey Sachs and for a better understanding of the Israel/Palestine conflict, an interview with Norman Finkelstein or Max Blumenthal would be great too !
If you want an objective perspective, that's not the way to go. Thats like saying "I should read Marx and Engels to understand socialism and communism". YOur statement says that you want to understand how to blame Israel better, not understanding the conflict
I suggested these two because in my opinion one should always listen to all sides involved in a conflict and as it's quite obvious to most people who follow German mainstream media, in most cases you only get presented the Israeli point of view and everything else gets the usual labels attached to silence any critical voices ...
Truely the number 1 Professor of Political Science ! Hat off John!
Did she just say why Palestinians don't leave their land? What kind of ignorance is that? The problem with people like her is that they don't put themselves in the Palestinians shoes. Why would anyone leave their land knowing they won't be able to return back?
Holy shit!!! I already loved your German content and guests, but you got Prof. Mearsheimer on your channel, WOW!!!! He is one of my favorite people!! You are amazing!!! Thank you!!! Grüße aus Galizien von einer halb Spanierin/Deutschen in NYC aufgewachsen 😄😘
Sie hat schon ein älteres Interview (1-2 Jahre alt) mit mearsheimer.^^
Großartig, Jasmin: Herrn Mearsheimer als Gesprächspartner zu gewinnen, die umfassende Vorbereitung und vor allem die über 100 Minuten lange voll konzentrierte Gesprächsführung. Es gibt nicht viele, die auf Ihrem Niveau arbeiten.
Prof. John Mearsheimer, you are one of a kind.
Very interesting point of view of Jasmin on Israel-Palestine conflict. So it's ok if someone attacks another country and get their territory. Would you think the same if Russia wants East-Germany back. Would you give that back? Please dont start an objective discussion and then get back to the "I dont care view until it' doesnt touch me". But kudos to get Mr. Mearsheimer on the table. Great guy!
What are you even talk about, East Germany was never part of USSR. They were a satelite. And USsR offered Germany unification, which Adenauer rejected in exchange for NATO accession
@@TheHungarianOak keep your pants on! its just a hypothetical to make a point.
@@RajSingh-xv9xk But it was a bad example. We (East Germans) were never under the Russian regime. Like all the other Eastern block countries (Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria) we were a "satellite state" but our government was German. A better example would have been the Baltic states like Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, because they belonged to the Soviet Republic during the communist regime.
Israel was attacked so do not expect them not to fight back.
Lady Germany started and lost WW2. You are questioning Palestinian like they are responsible for WW2..
@@gee8883 Which war ? World war 1 or 2 ?
Or did they perpetrate the holocaust? .. where do you even find such baseless arguments?
@@gee8883 Jews wiped out the natives of Canaan and alleged their god granted them the piece of land.
I'm a South African,our land was taken by settlers by force,so according to Jasmin we should just forget, accept and leave things as they are while the descendants of the settlers are enjoying the fruits of our land!.
Even if this land that belongs to blacks was taken decades back, but blacks still wants their land back, period.
Many black settlers now in France, England, Netherlands, Belgium.
Not settlers. They were let in by European governments @@miloszforman6270
@@soulsmouls
"Settler" does not generally mean that they occupied the territory by force. Nevertheless, most of them were not invited. They were "let in", for some reason or the other, and many of them are intruders.
@@miloszforman6270 well. Than it's not a problem. Problem is uninvited settlers. You have democracy in Europe and cannot pretend the people don't have a hand in what the governments do.
@@soulsmouls
So what. Actually I was responding to the OP. "Blacks still wants their land back". What does she mean? Ethnic cleansing, I suppose. There are still some white farmers in South Africa. Many of them have been murdered during the last few decades, and more and more of them have to give up. _All_ white farmers have been driven out of Zimbabwe or have been killed under the Mugabe regime.
No way! What a pleasure to have the professor here with us! Thank you Jasmin
Meine Damen und Herren! Dieser Podcast wird immer besser. Von alltäglichen Dingen hin zu geostrategie. Klasse. Mir tun die Leute jeden Tag mehr leid, die sich ausschließlich im Mainstream informieren.
Vielen Dank!
Weiter so💖👍👌😊@@JasminKosubekOriginal
@@JasminKosubekOriginalEine durchaus bemerkenswerte Leistung so lange auf Englisch (als Fremdsprache) diese ganze Zeit durchzuhalten. Chapeau & 🎩 ab! 👍
Hallo Jasmin, dieses Interview ist großartig! Du stellst die Fragen, die man sich unweigerlich stellt wenn man sich dieses politische Trauerspiel anschaut, die aber in den Systemmedien einfach nicht vorkommen, geschweige fachlich fundiert diskutiert werden. Danke an Prof. Mearsheimer.
Jasmin, apartheid has nothing to do with percentages, majorities or minorities. But there is something important we need to rectify here: you seem to believe that in Israel "half of the population is Jewish and the other half is Palestinian". That's grossly wrong. There is a small percentage of Palestinians in Israel who are citizens and have a passport, but the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not, they live in a semi-occupation state, there is 6 million of them and have no status, and that's what constitutes the apartheid that John and other international institutions talk about. In 2024, especially when you're interviewing one of the best IR analysts in the world, you cannot possibly miss that essential point.
Liebe Frau Kosubek, ich habe mir Ihre Sendungen in letzter Zeit öfter angeschaut und war sehr überrascht und erfreut, dass so ein Hochkaräter wie John Mearsheimer Ihrer Einladung folgte. Was mich weniger erfreute oder besser gesagt, erschütterte, ist Ihr Mangel an Wissen in puncto Naher Osten. Ich finde, wenn man jemanden über dieses Thema befragt, sollte man selbst wenigstens das nötige Grundwissen haben. Ich glaube nicht, dass ich zurückkommen werde.
ja furchtbar, die weiß ja gar nichts, peinlich
Amazing conversation. Thanks a lot to Jasmin for inviting him. You are a great host and speaks perfect English. I feel really sorry for you (Jasmin) for not being able to critize the criminal regime running Israel. Sad cancel culture in Germany!!! Bitte, unbedingt übersetzen lassen. Wir brauchen das auf Deutsch...
Es gibt die Möglichkeit von automatische Untertitel... auch auf Deutsch
The later part of this interview says a lot about current state of Germans!
Klasse Frau Kosibek. Vielen Dank für diesen wunderbaren Gast. Einfach Danke
The tense conversation around Israel/Gaza situation near the end was great to see. It was cathartic and needed to be asked. We need more honest and difficult conversations around this topic. I appreciate what you're trying to say too, Jasmin. We'd all like a resolution to it. Please have on more people like Mearsheimer. Yes it's dark and largely disappointing knowing how terrible things are projected to play out. However, if we have more people like this that can communicate an effective analysis of the situation we can maybe hope that others can come along and start contributing towards a social synthesis that can resolve all these troubling concerns. I think we need leaders we don't currently have. Thank you for this great discussion.
I think from now on "we" should call Jasmine "Miss Agnostic"
Another masterclass from Prof. Mearsheimer.
He is very knowledgeable and also a good person which is perhaps even more important.
Chapeau
@jasmine I am a layman and let me ask a simple question: if your water is controlled, if your movement is controlled, if your house is searched whenever, if you are asked to strip at checkpoints each day, if you are shot if you dont listen - would that class this as an open prison? I am extremely neutral when it comes to all this war. My view of life is love and peace for everyone. Irrespective of their color, race, ethnicity, language, views etc.
Dear Ms Kosubek, having just heard the generally interesting and lively interview with John Mearsheimer, I was dismayed but not surprised by your reactions regarding the Palestinians. I am sure you did not mean it to sound like this, but at one intolerable point, it sounded so very much like Germany telling the Palestinians to shut up and be quiet, your train has come and gone. In fact, it is reactions like these that makes life for Palestinians in Germany so difficult. Why do you think you are in a position to tell Palestinians that their cause is not worthy? If anything, the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank and inside Israel in this last year but also in previous decades has strengthened Palestinians’ national feeling rather than weakened it, and every time this lecturing tone emanates from someone who has their own state and can take that for granted, Palestinians become more immune to that type of condescension. It is for Palestinians to decide about their struggle for liberation, as Mr Mearsheimer so clearly explained. Again, I do not think you intended the tone to be the way I have described, but that is exactly how it sounds. Still, I was grateful to hear this interview. It might contribute a tiny bit to, who knows, Germany’s eventual maturity and growth on this particular subject, its blind spot, but the country has a long way to go…
Meanwhile, please check out The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé and Rashid al Khalidi’s The 100 Years’ War on Palestine.
I had no idea that Germans were so brainwashed. In fact, I believed that they were sophisticated people. @JasminKosubekOriginal proved me wrong. Conflicted about the Gaza genocide? What's wrong with you?
Wow, ich dachte mal, dass ich gut Englisch kann. Respekt, Frau Kosubek!
Ja gut sie hat lange in den USA gelebt
@@svenner3150 Da gibts andere, die haben in London studiert...
@@Robert_E._Lee_Prewitt Ich bezweifle, dass man mit dem Englisch besagter Person auch nur einer Vorlesung folgen könnte :D
Naja, die spricht auch amerikanisch☝️😄
@@Robert_E._Lee_Prewitt An diese andere Koryphäe, jene vom Völkerrecht kommende mußte ich auch denken.
There were quite a lot people that were "agnostic on the matter" during WWII and that genocide -- and usually this is not something their children and grandchildren appreciate.
"Genocide" is treated as a "loaded word" -- whereas it is literally what the only truly global court, the UN's ICJ, is currently in the process of ruling on.
Seriously now, what's the thing with Germany and the Germans? How can a people and a state be consistently on the wrongest possible side of history during the most dire of historical events twice in less than a century?
This lady: I just want the fighting to stop, so let's give Israel what it wants and help it ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their land by asking the arab states to take in the Palestinians. She most likely has no idea that there are millions of Palestinian refugees already living in many arab states.
That's nonsense. Most probably less than one million. Arab population of Israel was not that numerous in 1947.
@ just Jordan has over 2 million. The numbers don’t stay stagnant. A few hundred thousands become millions over a 70 year period.
It's really funny but sad to see this woman's ignorance.
You germans are really good at these final solutions...