Can a 196cc diesel engine run on Waste Motor Oil (WMO)?
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- Trying to see if i can get one of my single cylinder diesel engines from amazon or ebay to run on waste motor oil. Turns out it runs great! Follow along as I try this for the first time. More plans and videos with this engine coming soon! Do at your own risk!
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Diesel Engine 196cc 4 Stroke Single Cylinder Forced Air Cooling Diesel Engine - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I've got several of these little diesel engines and I love them. I experimented with running them on vegetable oil but I discovered that leaving them to sit after running on veggie oil virtually guaranteed gummed up injectors. It's best to run some straight diesel through the engine if you plan on letting it sit for any length of time.
Did you run used vegetables oil or fresh new vegetables oil ?
@@davidg.3406 -- Fresh. I don't have access to used oil.
@@Makermook ok thanks for the info, really appreciated. :)
Veggie oil is some nasty stuff. It makes an absolute mess of my waste oil furnace.
@@Engrave.Danger -- As far as I'm concerned, it's not worth running vegetable oil in small diesel engines. Way too messy and too prone to gumming up the injectors.
I am planning on turning one of these into a generator. I think running these on waste oil is what the doctor ordered.
Bring your ear plugs 😂
I wouldn't rely on it for highly critical tasks or high integrity circuits.
@@CableWrestler for high integrity circuits it would depend on the inverter I would use. As for critical tasks. If I had critical tasks I would buy a military surplus unit thats severely underated.
I have a generator head and am planning on doing that in an upcoming video. Curious about the power output vs diesel
@@austin_does_stuff theoretically you should get about 30% more runtime or 30% more kw/h with diesel. Considering 20% and 30% engine efficiency of gasoline and diesel.
Pour the waste oil over a magnet to get the extra small particles that not even a oil filter can get
good idea!
great idea!
sounds good, doesn't work
@@LizVanLee THE DOPEFISH LIVES
why bro, why the fuck would you leave us hanging ?@@LizVanLee
I love your line “create some more problems fro your self” that’s my style 😂
Spilling diesel on the wood actually decreases your tree count by preserving the wood that has already been harvested :)
Having a small diesel tank off to the side for starting the engine maybe a good idea especially if it’s cold out. Once the engine starts switch a valve to allow the motor oil to flow while shutting off the pure diesel. A Y valve.
I was also thinking about using a blowtorch to heat the cylinder head for 10 seconds before starting to see if that would make it easier. When its cold it takes about 4-6 pulls to start it on WMO. DIesel only takes one pull
Switching to diesel for a minute prior to shutting it off might not be a bad idea either.
@@austin_does_stuff They will start way easier with a sniff of ether. Even on diesel mine needs a bit to get started when it's under 40F
In Afghanistan I saw a guy with a watercooled China diesel. He had it hooked up to what looked like a truck alternator with a couple of wielding leads. They had a half 55 gallon drum with a pick up at the bottom and the return just poured back into the barrel. The whole contraption was mounted on a 4 wheeled trailer and dragged around with a tiny pickup. He didn't have a wielding helmet but he did have a dark piece of glass he would hold in one hand and the rod in the other!
It's pretty common in my state Kashmir
probably cheaper in afghanistan to make that instead of buying a welder or they just like making things.
@@ARMASOG They HAVE to make things.
I'm still waiting for one of you guys to actually bolt the motor to a board before you start it....
Yeah really.
That would have been the first thing I did after unboxing it.
For long life of the engine i recommend to use one of the bellow methods:
1. Using a mix of 80% WMO and 20% gasoline to thin in out for easier cold starting and low smoke.
2. 2 tank sistem
Original tank with diesel for starting and flushing the sistem before shuting down. Second tank will be heated from exhaust mufler and will be with WMO. And a 3 way valve to switch from one tank to the other.
best solution indeed!
NEVER gasoline in a diesel. Just no. It burns too hot. Even 5% can cause overheating and severe damage.
yes in diesel but mixed in wmo to thin it is fine 10k miles on a 85 15 mix on a idi@@fhuber7507
@@fhuber7507gas doesn't burn hotter then diesel nor does it burn hotter then wmo I'm not sure where ur coming up w this idea, diesel actually burns much hotter then gasoline in a combustion engine
Two tanks is the clever way to go. BUT!!!
1. The waste oil tank shall be NOT heated by the muffler but with the cooling air, FOR SAFETY REASONS. Remember the engine is air-cooled so the heat is for free.
2. Once the engine is started, and the waste oil is reasonably warm, you can burn basically anything, like unrefined rapeseed oil or wate oil from McDonald's kitchen.
just a small hint: your fuel filter / flow direction is mounted backwards 😉
yep, noticed that afterwards and will fix that before the next video with that engine
@@austin_does_stuff I hope you bought a new one instead of just flipping it.
yes planning on replacing it with a new one soon @@crazydan9301
@@austin_does_stuff You can cut your waste oil with diesel or gasoline to thin it out some and it will flow much better and burn cleaner.
The smoke is generally proportional to load, but even pure diesel will smoke at full tilt. I have run engine oil as well, but it can be quite difficult to start when cold, a simple fix is to add a tablespoon of petrol to a tankful of oil fuel, although don't mix it in bulk as the petrol loses it's ignition boost effect over time once mixed. You also need the petrol mix to be at the injector for starting, so it needs running through first. I also use waste hydraulic oil more frequently now, it is much cleaner to handle, has less soot in it and has less (or no) flash point suppressors than motor oil, so it starts easier as well. I get it from a heavy machinery service agent, they do drum swaps for free.
Great video anyway, thanks.
thanks for your wisdom, I'll be exploring different oils in the future. Verycurious to see how the different types run
That sounds like a refined and more realistic substitute for diesel
Waste engine oil mixed with about 20% petrol is what my brother is running his diesel Pajaro on
I've been running waste oils in my 12 valve Cummins. That makes me feel better as I just got my hands on 20 gallons of used hydraulic oil. It definitely looks cleaner. My go-to is used ATF because waste engine oil is just dirty as hell, where the ATF is very clean even before you filter it.
@@Bloodbain88The trouble with hydraulic oil as fuel (and to a lesser extent ATF) is that it has a lot of anti-friction additives in it that don't burn and cause a gritty soot in the cylinder.....waste engine oil doesn't have these additives and the black carbon in it doesn't cause gritty ash......i had a waste oil boiler i built th-cam.com/video/kh8E_dAM3Yo/w-d-xo.html and a week firing on hydraulic oil and it needed cleaned out.....i could go months on waste engine oil
Recycling waste oil to fuel a diesel is a fantastic idea.
I ran my diesel skoolie conversion on WVO (waste vegetable oil) sometimes WMO, I’d great results and logged thousands of miles. def recommend
I like the variety on your channel, its pretty cool
I’ve been watching videos of guys trying to start these engines without being mounted. It sure makes it easier
Thanks for sharing
Mounting the fuel filter backwards, always interesting.
We had a mower stop working because of that once, but it's an easy fix once you realize or at least have a suspicion about the problem.
I just noticed that too
@@MrBradshawbenjamin Never flip a backwards fuel filter, anything it did catch is going straight to the jets/injectors.
Always replace instead, they are super cheap anyways.
@@crazydan9301yes,I’d say you have to replace it..
@@crazydan9301you could just run gas through it for a minute
Wow no smoke ! And it runs very well ! I would have thought that it would need at least a 50/50. Mix motor oil/ diesel . Fun times in the garage !!
VW has particle filter and eats oil too so this "oil" is poop with less ashes (= less additives) to run on which is why it is not so smokey
@@kitecattestecke2303no no no the DPF is in the exhaust system and nothing to do with the oil 😅
I would have added the used oil to regular diesel fuel - small parts at first, then increasing the percentage with testing.
(This was the intended path for foundry furnace fuel…)
it will keep the fuel lines and engine cleaner to run like 50/50
I like the plastic screens. Thanks for sharing.
That's really cool. I've been looking at these, and am definitely getting one. I put a new Kohler on my snowblower a couple years ago, otherwise I'd put it on there. I'm not sure how these are at starting in really cold weather anyway, or it they have a glow plug.
I run my '83 Mercedes 300TD on used oil, but find it runs much nicer on a blend of 75% used motor oil and 25% used ATF to thin it. Even at 28F it glowplug starts instantly. My '88 6.2l Detroit Diesel powered Chevy stepvan also runs fine on the blend. A genuine oak West Marine canoe paddle is the instrument for blending...😁
I had a '86 300SD I ran on wmo and watf, was a great can and never paid for fuel when I had it. I did end up going through a few sets of glowplugs from trouble starting on pure wmo. The om617 loved the WATF tho
i used to run my 82 300sd on waste atf
@@austin_does_stuff I was fed up with the awful glowplug timers so used a 350A universal starter relay and a horn button to make glowing manual. Problem solved!
ATF is great for keeping the carbon deposits at bay.
@@Jack-tx2ve If the idiots would quit taking off the ALDA or screwing around with its settings, there is no black smoke or carbon buildup in the 41 years mine has run without disassembly. OM617 isn't a hot rod.
I have an old Belarus AS250 farm tractor. I only pushed the oil thru a T shirt to filter the used oil for it. In the heat of summers , it has zero issues. In winter , I add 20% gasoline so it'll crank on cold mornings. Also have a couple 6.9 liter Ford trucks. We made a homemade centrifuge to filter the used oil for those old engines. The 6.9's run a little stronger with 10-20% gasoline added to the oil, but still run fine.on straight oil.
Filter the used motor oil first, to get rid of sediments and particulates. Then dilute the oil with some kerosene to the constituency of diesel. It then works very well as a diesel substitute.
That's what I was thinking, if you mix the used motor oil with something. I wonder if it would run on used hydraulic oil. I have a bunch of that from my tractor.
@@MikeOrazzi Yes it will run. It burns better as well. Also a bottle of that cheap white spirit is always handy to have around in cold weather - just a tiny splash does wonders!
Imagine how awesome it would be if that was put in a cybertruck for generator!
Diesel engines do not give a shit what you put in them. They will run on it. And as long as it is a heavy, flammable oil, rather than a light aromatic, they will run WELL on it. They like motor oil so much, in fact, that turbodiesels will happily destroy themselves if the turbocharger seals let go and allow the engine's own lubricant to get into the intake tract.
imagine this connected to an iMIEV or old Nissan Leaf as a range extender
Keep it up.. great videos
Bolting the engine on a base plate might’ve made your job easier. Interesting test. Thanks.
I have to say seeing is believing and I've seen it today, nice vid.
I've been considering picking up a few of these to tinker with on the channel. If you end up going through with your setup for a generator, I'd suggest getting some finer bag filters for the sake of longevity. Also, is there any way to adjust injection timing on these engines? It would help the smoke a bit. I do quite a bit with black diesel on the channel so I'm interested to see your progress with it. Good luck bud!
a centrifuge will go a long way to get crap out and clean the oil.
@mickwolf1077 indeed. I'm a WVO Designs dealer... a lot of my oil related content centers on that but it's also a big investment.
I use a bucket top screen followed by a magnet and a remote oil filter for my waste oil heater, though now that you mention it, I could fit a bag in there as well.
@Engrave.Danger bag filters are the cheapest alternative that works well. I've done some testing on them, and they're far better than most spin on filters you can get.
I have just been dumping wmo directly into fuel tank of my 96 7.3 and a ford 1520 to run a PTO generator. Surprisingly the 7.3 runs better (even in cold) than the 1520.
Too KooL. Thanks for sharing. Take care. - Leeroy
I ran a single cylinder diesel powered water pump on waste oil for many months. It was difficult to start on straight oil, so mix it with some diesel. The biggest problem I had was the injector would coke up really bad. I suppose it is all the additives in the oil that build up. Once the injector was coked up, it make it very difficult to start and it's performance was very lacking.
that makes sense thanks for sharing your experience.
Just alternate between straight diesel to clean up the system.
@@cj.wijtmans I failed to mention that I did that. The result was not meaningful.
I wonder about the detergents in the motor oil and the effect on the piston and valves?
In my oil burning experience, having conventional oil really helps. I imagine your Jetta is running full-syn so thats pretty impressive.
but dosn't the oil filter in the car filter all the oil really good? So filtering would not be necessary or is the screen really good??
Where do you get the strainers from?
Nice video by the way!
Thanks! I got them from USP plastics
Are you by any chance aware that your WV car engine features an oil filter? That filters particles down to say 25-30 microns size? Which you were trying to better by hauling your oil through the 200um screen??? So just curious, what did you expect to see on this screen? Also, do you change the oil filter on the WV engine EVERY time you change motor oil? As the book says?
nice job, got a link to the those screens?
smoke alarm chirp at 0:19, 3:11, 3:37, 3:44, 4:25, 6:13, You should replace that for safety and also so you don't get associated with a certain type of people who can't hear smoke alarm chirps.
LOL
Very interesting!
I’ve got a plan (more of a possible experiment, really) to use this with plastic pyrolysis oil . I don’t expect it to run for long before breakdown or maintenance.
But it could be a sweet “proof of concept” to see if I can make a self contained unit to use the plastic that’s currently getting rejected by the recycling streams worldwide.
i've been wanting to try pyrolysis but im scared to blow myself up. Do you have a setup built? I would love to see a video on it.
@@JoshDavies111 I haven’t built anything, just starting the research process
if you place that bucket of oil high ,place a length of the old sisal/hemp rope in to it and the other end into a clean bucket and leave ,over time the oil will migrate to the lower container clean and no deposits and garbage ,was done in the old days to recycle oil becomes a lower grade but clean usable oil times were tight and need to recycle all that could be usually was reused in engine but in your case you would have CLEAN fuel,remember it takes time to filter down ,and you can dispose of the left behind sludge
What impressed me was all metal shavings in his car oil that where filtered out😂
Yep... they certainly run on well filtered old engine oil, been doing it for years, but it must be filtered through a paint filter.
Summer time and the oil was a little warmer then room temp.... How about after sitting overnight? In the winter?
I was thinking you'd probably have to make Black Diesel (Gas/waste oil mix)
This is super fucking interesting for prep stuff especially with it attached to a generator head. If you needed ONE GENERATOR that can run your water pump this would be interesting. You'd probably need a 240 generator head but that's fine.
You are going to need 10hp/5,000watts to run a water pump. Even at that, it will strain to start the pump.
If you could have something like a fuel system that adds a tiny amount of the sump oil to normal diesel, and perhaps an oil reservoir that keeps the sump level right, you would probably encounter zero problems with cold-starting and coking-up, and the engine would change and dispose of it's own oil, so you'd only have to change the filter (if indeed these things have filters). Probably doesn't exist for good reasons, but it's a good thing to try.
You kind of just described a car thats burning oil.
@@jerbear7952 No, worn diesels smoke because the oil they are losing trickles into the combustion chamber from worn seals and does not burn properly. It will burn well if it's mixed with fuel and injected.
Happy I subscribed.
It has been 8 months now. Has this engine been run at length to look for any failures?
Seems to me that the next experiment should be waste oil from fryers.
Well that’s nice to know, I wanted to get one of these for a MiniBike and use used motor oil as fuel. We have a TON of waste oils.
Wonder what the slowest RPM you could get out of these with a really big flywheel would be...
I tried this on mine but under load it just hunted and wouldn't run smoothly I was mixing diesel with it too
Cook oil new or used is good to use too, some persons get it used at restaurants or mcdonalds and it´s free
Was ne sauerei alter. Muss ja kein Labor Standart sein, aber so hab ich mit 15 an meinen Moped's geschraubt.. die Idee ist natürlich cool und nun darfst du mich übersetzen... Cooler Kanal...
Ive been wanting to build a generator with this engine. Not sure on how big of a pulley to get the generator head spinning at 3600. Its on a "to try list" of mine. If it can run a decent size generator, I'd like to create a diesel/electric golf cart with it.
Diesel electric golf cart would be sweet! Let me know if you end up doing that!
5,00watts is going to require 10 hp minimum. You can just mimic the watts/hp ratio on existing gas generators, Getting the correct rpms will be critical as well.
Why not a 50/50 mix?
Very cool to see that this works :) I am debating whether or not to buy this one, or its bigger brother, which is 10hp. I think the bigger one would be a better buy, because it gives you a lot more flexibility. And even though it is more than 3 times as powerful, it only costs around $450 shipped :)
How’s your back after messing around with one of these
0:16 - 2010 VW Jetta? That looks exactly like my 2010 VW Golf bar the slightly different engine. I suppose the models different in the US?
The '10 jetta sportwagen is based on the golf platform, its just got slightly bigger rear end
is it possible to run this diesel engine with 90% WMO & 10% gasoline??
Wanting to build a minibike with one of these.
As a diesel mechanic, and having a dad that worked for Volkswagen for over 40 years, specializing in diesel Volkswagens, first of all running the wrong oil in that TDI, it should be 5W 30 or 5W 40 specific diesel oil with a 505.xX rating. Second just because it’s a Chinese Diesel doesn’t mean the clearances are any different in the fuel injection part of it, it has to have pretty specific and tight clearances in order for the fuel to be injected properly. It’s just amazing that people can get a TH-cam channel and have a good video editing and all the sudden become the guru. When I actually have diplomas and ASE testing diplomas proving that, I know what I’m doing.. these channels and come into my shop and want me to do things that they see on TH-cam, it is frustrating as hell.
Agreed, the tdi does not need thick oil like an old tractor.
@@Codyjrt it just makes the public even more stupid. Because then they come in my shop and they say “I saw on TH-cam that I can run this cheaper oil in my car” and when you show them the factory manual says that you can’t or you’re not supposed to they argue with you that’s some dumb ass on TH-cam does it in his car and he doesn’t have any problems. To each their own but it’s getting out of hand with all these TH-cam certified mechanics giving the wrong advice to the dumbass general public that eats that shit up and believes it.
It sounds like your education thong is cutting into your tolerance of others doing things that have NOTHING to do with you!@@chrissuessle
@@chrissuessle
Eu entendo a sua fustracao , mas não estamos a falar de motores modernos com bombas injetoras de 2050 bar de pressão.
Motores antigos que se avariarem não há problema, podem ser sujeitos a este tipo de utilização .
Eu tenho um 1.9 TDI e só utilizo diesel.
No entanto tenho uma Nissan PIC UP de 1988 que gasta tudo o que lhe meto para queimar.
Assim como gerador Lister de 1966 de 10 KVA que queima óleos de motor e até de cozinha , há mais de trinta anos.
Os motores modernos não devem ser sujeitos a este tipo de experiências.👍👍👍👍
I love it.
If you can put your waste oil to work for you, so much the better.
Oil is how you get a run away diesel. The seals in the super charger give way and the engine runs ungoverned on oil from the super charger. It’ll either run out of oil or blow itself to smitheriens.
Or u cut the air supply by blocking the intake rq
Wow that engine had a supercharger!
This doesn’t have a supercharger or a turbo. It’s just an injector ran on a cam inside the engine.
Yes. Yes they can
They need help to start if wmo is used in the cold
I filter down to 55 micron in my buck top filters.
Then i use sock filters, 25, 10, 5, 1, then finally 1/2 micron filters
I run WMO (black gold) in my OLD 1989 7.3.. 100 microns is nowhere near enough filtration. I suggest obtaining a 0.5 micron polyester filter bag to pour that oil through. That's right, one half of one micron, the injection pump will thank you by having a long life..
It works - for a while. Runs and starts better if the oil is thinned with about 20% kerosene.
But the soot, junk and additives in the oil will coke up the injector pretty soon.
Waste hydraulic oil works better.
good idea to reuse old motor oil into some kinetic use.... too bad i live in an apartment ..
There is a reason that Cat diesel engines traditionally have "Buy clean fuel keep it clean" on the fuel caps. Nothing but trouble can be had by running the wrong fuel in an internal combustion engine.
Used to run my boat engine like this in the UK - till the government made it illegal. You can still do it, but you have to have a very expensive licence. I would generally ignore this kind of over regulation, but because of it, my waste oil suppliers are no longer happy to let me have it. Oil from oil changes always goes back into the fuel tank.
Creating problems for ourselves is what we men do. 💪
I got a question, does synthetic oil work the same way? I want to convert a old mower to a diesel engine to use all my waste oil but I still want to use synthetic oil.
i dont see why not..
You need to run the waste oil through a centrifuge to remove fine particulate. These particulates will eat your injector and is hard on the engine if not removed.
nice vid
Cool video. It amazes me how many genius know it alls in the comments.
I know WSEPO used to sell these, and a 3.5hp 208cc version. From what I could tell they no longer sell them, where can they be obtained?
amazon
Very good can use wasted engine oil thank I would buy one dessert small engine
Can you mix 4 Gal WMO and 1 Gal gasoline, or regular diesel? Do they make those little diesel engines any larger (say to replace a 6.5hp generator engine)
that sounds like to much gas
@@JO3BID3N-is-a-P3D0 it's 20%, how much do you recommend? I would really love to find out...I have over 30 gallons of waste oil I need to burn...might just make a oil burner for my metal melting furnace...but also have one of those little diesel engines
@@haydenc2742 i guess experiment with your ratios, if u blow it up its just a cheap
little engine. k plan on using my wmo to drip feed into my fireplace in the garage . also yanmar makes little engines. and on amzon theres a yanmar knock off. look up direct injection diesel , it looks like the doesel generator in the video but a little bigger
my 2 cents: you should run them mixed with diesel oil instead of petrol ...petrol mix might make them too easily combustible and the fuel might pre-detonate before its fully compressed by the piston and cause damage to engine
Don’t you need to thin it out a bit with something like kerosene? Seems kinda thick.
filtering to 100 micron doesn't do much.
A fuel or an oil filter usually does 10 micron.
10inch water filters are available down to 0.001Micron.
I used 0.2 Micron and 1 and 0.5 Micron as a pre filtering stage.
Still centrifuge and settling is better.
Also for smoke. A common-rail system so far ran the best on alternative fuels.
Do you have Natural gas? Can you try supplementing a small diesel with a view percent methane in the air?
Using old cooking oil is cool but i think you have to put a small amount of white spirit / turps into the oil for reliability.
Thats what they did on Top Gear.
I have an old Pettter AC1 diesel I did the same experiments with years ago. Running straight used oil at load for extended times will eventually start to coke up or gum up the injector or injection pump system requiring somewhat detailed disassembly and clean out.
However, using about a 20 -25% blend of E85 mixed in with the used oil and doing 10-micron prefiltering seems to solve that problem plus made cold starts better.
75% used motor oil mixed with 25% used automatic transmission fluid is my answer
you should try to assemble a motorized bike build with the waste motor oil, should be simple and cheap enough; with a good bike frame and some fat tires it could make a janky offroad build with that extra diesel torque.
I think you’re crazy for doing straight engine oil, i’d at least cut it in half with diesel, but a fun experiment.
Need to rig up a heated oil loop for cool or cold weather
great ide! Will try to encorporate something like that in the future
Make a long handle for it and use it as a soil compactor
I would add 1/4 cup fresh oil to every 1 gallon. That can help just enough to make a difference for the motor.
Not a fan of the pollutants that is probably producing but it is nice to find another use for spent motor oil
Very interesting video. Question is will produce near enough power and torque of diesel fuel. I wonder by what percentage it would drop.
Can you see if it will run on vegetable oil?
It would be interesting, to see if it has dropped on power.
Someone else have probably said this, but you have the fuel filter on the wrong way :)
i need one of those with electric start to make a small generator.....
3/1 mix of oil to gasoline or diesel is a safe mix.
Does this engine use glow plug on it? Would you mind if you can show us it
No it doesn’t
Glow plugs require a power source to generate heat. No batteries on this pull start
FYI: 10k oil change intervals are terrible for any engine. Also makes the camshaft issue worse on those TDIs than it already is.
what did it smell like ?