I've been wondering about the Zeta Gundam movie "reboot" trilogy's alternate timeline when Kamille didn't get the Brainrot Syndrome from Scirocco..... Would he still follow Char, or switch to Amuro's side? 🤔🤔🤔
Thank you for making these videos, I find them really interesting. A question about the Zeta gundam I've been thinking about for a while: If the zeta's shield is an integral part of the waverider mode, what happens if the shield is used to block an incoming attack and gets damaged/destroyed? Can it still transform, or do those features become dead weight? I don't remember if this comes up in the shows or not, but having a shield that can't do its primary job (being a sacrificial piece of equipment to take hits instead of the mobile suit) because it's too important to risk damaging would be a weird design choice.
A very interesting question. Given how complex and precise the Zeta transformation is, I assume that if the shield is too deformed by attacks, it will not be able anymore to dock in the right place for the Wave Rider transformation (but we should still consider there may be a certain degree of tolerance, a slightly curved or blasted shield might still be able to connect). Nonetheless, even without it, the Zeta might very well be able to transform fully, it's just that the frame works by having the head pushed inside the torso, and is not seen in the WR mode only because the shield is covering it. Without the shield, well it adds a weak spot, but I would say good luck to anyone trying to snipe the belly of a Wave Rider cruising at full speed.
While the lead Gundam (Outer Gundam) seemed pretty dull, Newtype Light had a lot of interesting side mechs, especially that G-Zack (which is a better Hizack/Zaku III in a Hizack skin), and that delicious Perfect Psycho Gundam Mk IV that Lady Artesia was supposed to pilot. It also had a whole lot of hilarious character planned, including the baby son of Amuro (with Newtype powers) as part of the lead trio, and Char returning as an anarcho-terrorist disrupting both Super Zeon and the Newborn AEUG.
Quick little side note the mass production type zeta gundam was always used in test of the gundam delta kai along side it's sister unit the mass production type double zeta gundam
Sure thing, after all I did cover the Magellan, Dogosse Gier, and a few other federation ships. My main issue with the Salamis (alongside the Musai and the Pegasus), is the absurdly high number of variants there is of the class, which would require a lot of time to research, create, but also avoid missing any of them, which would be disappointing if I did left one minor variant out.
It could be that the price point for the Zeta Easy was low enough to be considered a mass produced unit, but also simultaneously more expensive than the standard mass produced units in circulation and the EF may have felt that its performance over the other mass produced units, while potentially higher, wasn't high enough to consider giving paying the cost deficit outside of giving it to aces or comanders.
Its def not very worth the price tbh. While yes Kamile's design made that Zeta as a TMS is very successful, but it just allow for smoother transformation not that the frame wont wore out overtime. Once they wore out, repairing them wouldnt be cheap Then we have something like the RE-GZ and its BWS. BWS literally an even more money wasting method. So yea, your points def valid
@@danmakuusou9348 Oh man, the RE-GZ... I keep seeing people say "it performed poorly against monsters it had no business going up against", but like, I don't know if we watched the same CCA, but Amuro was controlling the fight pretty damn well against Char, and Char required being saved by his tag-partner. Despite being in the _Sazabi._ So not only was Amuro keeping decent control of the fight, _he was doing so in a 2v1 against two Psychommu suits._ I would not consider "controlling the fight and managing to knock the other Psycommu unit away to 1v1 the Sazabi and _actually have a winning chance"_ to be "doing poorly". Clearly the RE-GZ is a good enough suit, just ditch the backpack system and maybe streamline it a bit, it's just somehow not only underrated, it's underrated at being underrated.
@@aliesterus1.023 I agree, the RE-GZ main unit is def not bad machine. The BWS def is a stupid idea. No defense I can help for it. Cus if anything, RE-GZ shouldnt even be a TMS
@@danmakuusou9348 That's the crazy thing, some people say it's not bad, but then say it performed poorly I'd argue that it's even a very _very_ good machine considering how it performed against two high-end experimental Newtype machines. Granted most people aren't Amuro, but most opponents aren't Char and a Newtype in high-end experiemental machines either, so while the bar only goes downhill from there, the bar on the other end probably lowers just as significantly, especially if it's given out as an Ace or Commander limited production machine.
@@aliesterus1.023 I meant one thing ppl seems to forget that the mainstream MS in Feddie during the UC0090s isnt "your lovely overpowered BS godly" Unicorn (yes I despise the RX-0 units to my every single core), but the Jegan lines Stark Jegan piloted by a Fed ACE pilot to able to go toe-to-toe with the Kshatriya with pure skill. And that Nu Gundam was design to allow Londo Bell mechanics to perform maintenance/repair using Jegan's parts too. This also happened with Narrative Gundam C Pack, that its beam rifle was modded from Jegan's beam rifle. So if anything, RE-GZ base specs already outshine Feddie's mainstream MS than ppl give it credit for. And it goes to show that why the BWS is an even more stupid idea w
Oh, that O Gundam thing wasn´t something to be taken seriously. It appeared in a magazine that made elaborate parodies such as Mazingaim (Mazinger+L Gaim)
Zeta Easy is kinda neat; though that could be because of that non-colorized sketch feel. I may not be a fan of Re-GZ's design, but it seems like they should have just simply focused on having a more affordable version of Zeta Easy and have the Re-GZ be a commander type suit. Ditching that nonsensical backpack system. Re-GZ would have likely performed better in-universe.
For the zeta easy I'm guessing the widely produced meant that it was developed and was tested by multiple different teams but it was ultimately limited in the number produced.
Not so far from the truth. Both AFII and Z Gustav are based on the Kondo redesign of the Zeta. The Zeta Gustav has a much different body and an oversized globular monoeye composite visor tho
@@spartana1116 and I kind of mean, it's totally justified. The whole concept of the Zeta Gustav suit is so freakishly cool it's actually surprising it was not the main backstory choice for the Zeta TV series
Is there any possibilities that A/F-II zeta would be continued to develop into S gundam? The waverider mode of these two seems similar especially in their legs in my eyes
I see what you are pointing out but unfortunately it wouldn't make much sense Lore wise. The A/F-II is a machine produced at earliest in UC89, while the S Gundam was finished and fielded by UC88 (events of Sentinel).
It probably makes sense still in reverse as the Z A1 Plus where still being used in Unicorn era. The AF Zeta if it's canonized would of been from data from the S Gundam which formed some parts of it onto the Zeta Gundam which would make sense for UC0089 still.
I cant help but notice the echo in the background. If this is un-intentional, I would assume it's a problem with your recording software. If it is intentional then...well nothing. It's a good video still. Very much info.
A mix of the two I would say, outside the distortion added, I'm recording with less than optimal equipment (should probably invest in a better mic by some point )
The Zetas plus is actually a "Failed" mass production Zeta, akin to the REGZ. Although it probably outperform all the suits on these list (outside possibly the Zeta easy), it was put directly to limited production because AE figured out it from the design board it was too expensive to replicate, ence the more refined and elaborate design.
@@gundamfacts so a successful zeta clone but too expensive to use as mass production so failure for the purpose of mass production but a good limited and specialist unit to the point we even see it being used into later eras post chars counter attacks the regz for what it was as a potential new mass production front line suit was incredible thing went toe to toe w sazabi in amuros hands and the custom version w the flight pack could be a successful commander/specialist suit w huge firepower sadly they were costly and crazy advanced to the point if i recall normal pilots couldnt handle them and the feddies decided to instead push on w the jeagan line from the jeda and eventually the stark jegan and rezel as their standard units with the next zeta style special suit being the delta plus which actually got the delta’s transformation mode right and was of a tier of suit that wel exceeded the zeta plus or rezel in many aspects but never got mass produced
By the way, IIRC somewhere I read that the Bawoo was supposed to be a mass produced Zeta Gundam made by Axis/Neo Zeon. How accurate is such claim? Looking at the Bawoo itself, it certainly stands out from other Zeon MS that generally don’t follow the EF archetype of a beam rifle on the right arm and a shield on the left one. I’m actually a bit surprised that we don’t see the EF with some captured Bawoos that had their mono-eyes replaced with visors or even Gundam eyes. Anyway, speaking of mass produced transformable MS, I also heard that the original Gaza C was supposedly a very flawed TMS, to the point that it’s block build construction could only withstand transforming like 5 times before the frame broke down, is that true? Supposedly the AMX-003S & AMX-006 were made to address such flaws, though I wonder if the AMX-003M addressed the issues as well. Since the GaZowmn was used for the other amphibious MS in Mars, it makes mw wonder why the AMX-006 wasn’t used instead as the base for the Gaza M. Lastly, can I suggest doing a video on the Gaza series? It seemed to be Axis/Neo Zeon’s most ambitious MS series, being mass produced 3rd generation MS (at least before the 4th generation Doven Wolf entered the picture), which seems something that both the EF/Titans & AEUG/Karaba also aimed to develop on their own, but neither achieve in the numbers Haman managed to.
Okay, so let's answer in order. - the claim of the Bawoo being related to the Zeta is more or less true, not that it is a direct deadcopy like some would claim, but more than in their attempts to develop their own transformable suits, Axis Zeon bought/got sold/ received defection data from AE in the form of Zeta and ZZ blueprints (Zeta Project data according to MS Bible), which resurfaced in the Bawoo design. - as far as I remember, the exact quote for the Gaza problem is that the "transformable frame could only handle the strain of three missions", I've seen claims (even Japanese) that this would equate to the Gaza breaking down after only 3 transformations, but I think the Gaza would need to withstand at least slightly more to be approved in the first place, 3 tour of duty being...too few. - about the Gaza series, I once had plans and early scripts for a possible one, so why not someday!
My solution to a mass production zeta variant would be to separate both aspects of the zeta, that being the mobile armor mode and the mobile suit mode but now they are separate, like in all honesty combining it would be a bad idea in general thats like the soviets attempt to make a flying tank, it would make for a terrible fighter and a terrible tank, so the idea would be to separate those aspects so rather than mixing oil and water, we instead make it cooperate in conjuction with each forms, for example on ground use the zeta fighters would support the ground zeta mobile suits and when in need of a quick deployment they would simply dock with each other much like the tickbalang and zowort or the dodai's and [insert MS name], meanwhile when its on space its also the same thing except we equip the MS zeta's with much more powerful thrusters while the MA zeta's would be equipped with fuel tanks for longer operation in helping deploy MS further out as well spare fuel tanks for refueling MS zeta's so they won't have to constantly return to their ship greatly increasing their combat range and their operation time, and another advantage wirh having both aspects separate is the prospect of modularity, rather than having an Early Warning or EWAC mobile suit, you can instead have an EWAC zeta mobile armor for better reconnaiscance and field view while maintaining extreme maneuverability and a smaller silhouette making it a harder target for the enemy, you can equip an entire squadron of zeta MA fighters with heavy ordinance as well to carpet bomb an area and soften up defenses before the rest could engage that in conjuction with zeta MS equipped with cannon modules for artillery support and AA defenses, the combinations are endless if you separate the MS and MA form, the final advantage would be cost and maintainance since both are sepaeate machines with their own lines of production making it easier for standardization not to mention a completely MA only Zeta would make it lighter and be more capable to store ammunitions, maneuver, and overall carry more payload without the MS aspect, if that isn't enough you can save enough money to probably create more traditional zeta gundams only given to special task forces and aces, its the best of both worlds until the eventual technologicl advancements would allow for components to be more compact and efficient that finally a mass production scale zeta gundam that has both forms would finally be feasable otherwise it is a good supement for when that day comes or when an even superior mobile suit design is finally accomplished, then again you could only go so far and war isn't going to last forever so the development of said weapons would probably take an immense amount of time
I do like your take but I see some problems in the Zeta dual twin suits: - as seen in MSG, combiners are quite difficult to use, going from the need of coordination between the two pilots, to the dockings being difficult to pull, and of course leaving both machines vulnerable - having two machines instead of one add different logistics problems, going from having to start up two different assembling line, adding new controls to learn for the pilots, engineers and techs needing to be ready to repair two types of machines instead of just one standardized model. - generally speaking, Zeta Gundam showed us that combiners (like the G Fighter which embody what you describe) have become less effective in combat in comparison with transformable models, the Gundam Mk II + G defender VS Hambrabi shows pretty much that the combiner is a disadvantage because of a lack of individual versatility
@@gundamfacts yeah your right it wouldn't make sense especially just training alone, since its now separated between two categories of mobile armor pilot and mobile suit pilot, then again if they really went all in with the plan to adapt a mass production zeta gundam my solution would probably among that list of suggestions, although with all said and done it still wouldn't be approved since as you have said fully transformable mobile suits are generally more effective that even zeon adopted their own (gaza), honestly it wouldn't really make much sense for them to adopt the zeta in the first place now that I think about it like as you stated it is a very complicated suits and in every iteration of the story they always find a struggle to balance the suit for mass production purposes, Im even surprised they considered to mass produce it since it is too complicated for your average pilot the only people capable of piloting such suits are established aces and even then they would still struggle a bit before they get used to it, thus it would probably only make sense to mass produced the zeta as an ace unit which is one thing I got right at least, but Im ngl it would still be cool to see a squadron of zeta fighters supporting zeta suits its like human warfare but in mobile suit scales I'd also imagine there would be a zeta tank to serve as mechanized infantry vehicle to lead the charge
The Zetas plus is actually a "Failed" mass production Zeta, akin to the REGZ. Although it probably outperform all the suits on these list (outside possibly the Zeta easy), it was put directly to limited production because AE figured out from the design board that it was too expensive to replicate, ence the more refined and elaborate design.
I thought the whole, and only point of the transformation was to make the m.s. able to fly in atmosphere, in space combat the alternate form it's totally useless, since there's no air resistance, and is only a liability since it adds a lot of stress on the frame. However, once the Xi and Penelope come around, with tyeir Minovsky craft systems, the whole transformation gimmick becomes obsolete, since it allows mobile suits to fly with an anti-gravity system. In the end i think that the Zeta and all its derivatives are just a huge cul de sac in mobile suit development.
If I’m not wrong weren’t there more zeta gundam MP that were worse than these guys and not the Re-gz it already suffered too much Please don’t hurt my boy Re-gz but could you do a video about the bawoo it is just zeon variant/rip off of the zeta Gundam oh, and here’s a better idea could you do a video on transformable mobile suit that were better than zeta Gundam.
Don't worry, I'm myself a big fan of the ReGZ, and probably one of 3 last persons on Earth that doesn't shit on the BWS, and have good things to say about it. Bawoo is Interestingly more and more requested, I might restart the video project someday (long story short I had half a Bawoo video ready last July, but I lost all files and scripts to a crash and essentially ragekited)
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if kamilie was the designer of the mass produceds zetas, none of this would have happened...
Kamille got that superautism brain of his that would render any engineer jealous
@@gundamfacts where the heck did you find the rear lineart for the msz 007 mass production type z gundam!? I been searching for months!
@@Elphazo_O-two i have the physical copy of the manual of Advance Operation
@@gundamfacts ... Well holy#### on a #### sandwich except hold the ####.
I've been wondering about the Zeta Gundam movie "reboot" trilogy's alternate timeline when Kamille didn't get the Brainrot Syndrome from Scirocco..... Would he still follow Char, or switch to Amuro's side? 🤔🤔🤔
Great video, fun seeing a deep dive on the more obscure suits.
I know right
VF-1 Valkyrie: I AM YOU, but with no beam sabres....
Finally, Zeta facts
Many tried to mass produce the Zeta, not many were successful.
I wish I can contribute to CC/Subtitles you're one of the few who actually help explain UC lore somewhat
Thank you for making these videos, I find them really interesting. A question about the Zeta gundam I've been thinking about for a while: If the zeta's shield is an integral part of the waverider mode, what happens if the shield is used to block an incoming attack and gets damaged/destroyed? Can it still transform, or do those features become dead weight? I don't remember if this comes up in the shows or not, but having a shield that can't do its primary job (being a sacrificial piece of equipment to take hits instead of the mobile suit) because it's too important to risk damaging would be a weird design choice.
A very interesting question. Given how complex and precise the Zeta transformation is, I assume that if the shield is too deformed by attacks, it will not be able anymore to dock in the right place for the Wave Rider transformation (but we should still consider there may be a certain degree of tolerance, a slightly curved or blasted shield might still be able to connect). Nonetheless, even without it, the Zeta might very well be able to transform fully, it's just that the frame works by having the head pushed inside the torso, and is not seen in the WR mode only because the shield is covering it. Without the shield, well it adds a weak spot, but I would say good luck to anyone trying to snipe the belly of a Wave Rider cruising at full speed.
Newtype's Light seemed to have been a strange story concept. Same goes for the Zeta MK2 themselves.
While the lead Gundam (Outer Gundam) seemed pretty dull, Newtype Light had a lot of interesting side mechs, especially that G-Zack (which is a better Hizack/Zaku III in a Hizack skin), and that delicious Perfect Psycho Gundam Mk IV that Lady Artesia was supposed to pilot. It also had a whole lot of hilarious character planned, including the baby son of Amuro (with Newtype powers) as part of the lead trio, and Char returning as an anarcho-terrorist disrupting both Super Zeon and the Newborn AEUG.
Dude thank you for the video, your channels truly underrated, please stay healthy
Thanks you for the thought and taking the time to enjoy the content. Really warms my heart
Quick little side note the mass production type zeta gundam was always used in test of the gundam delta kai along side it's sister unit the mass production type double zeta gundam
Mass-production models of Double Zeta Gundam are Mass-Production Type ZZ Gundam, FAZZ and Theta Plus, but they are not quite successful.
Nice inclusion of more AUC content! Outer Gundam is strange and needs to be explored more. Maybe a REON video is in order?
first.... this was a great video it would be cool if you could cover ucs petit mobile suits
That could be quite a good idea in the future!
Real homies know the ReZEL is an MP ZII not an MP Zeta
These lore videos are very enjoyable, have you considered doing one for the Salamis?
Sure thing, after all I did cover the Magellan, Dogosse Gier, and a few other federation ships. My main issue with the Salamis (alongside the Musai and the Pegasus), is the absurdly high number of variants there is of the class, which would require a lot of time to research, create, but also avoid missing any of them, which would be disappointing if I did left one minor variant out.
Yeah there are alot of them 🤣
It could be that the price point for the Zeta Easy was low enough to be considered a mass produced unit, but also simultaneously more expensive than the standard mass produced units in circulation and the EF may have felt that its performance over the other mass produced units, while potentially higher, wasn't high enough to consider giving paying the cost deficit outside of giving it to aces or comanders.
Its def not very worth the price tbh. While yes Kamile's design made that Zeta as a TMS is very successful, but it just allow for smoother transformation not that the frame wont wore out overtime. Once they wore out, repairing them wouldnt be cheap
Then we have something like the RE-GZ and its BWS. BWS literally an even more money wasting method.
So yea, your points def valid
@@danmakuusou9348 Oh man, the RE-GZ... I keep seeing people say "it performed poorly against monsters it had no business going up against", but like, I don't know if we watched the same CCA, but Amuro was controlling the fight pretty damn well against Char, and Char required being saved by his tag-partner. Despite being in the _Sazabi._
So not only was Amuro keeping decent control of the fight, _he was doing so in a 2v1 against two Psychommu suits._ I would not consider "controlling the fight and managing to knock the other Psycommu unit away to 1v1 the Sazabi and _actually have a winning chance"_ to be "doing poorly".
Clearly the RE-GZ is a good enough suit, just ditch the backpack system and maybe streamline it a bit, it's just somehow not only underrated, it's underrated at being underrated.
@@aliesterus1.023 I agree, the RE-GZ main unit is def not bad machine. The BWS def is a stupid idea. No defense I can help for it. Cus if anything, RE-GZ shouldnt even be a TMS
@@danmakuusou9348 That's the crazy thing, some people say it's not bad, but then say it performed poorly I'd argue that it's even a very _very_ good machine considering how it performed against two high-end experimental Newtype machines.
Granted most people aren't Amuro, but most opponents aren't Char and a Newtype in high-end experiemental machines either, so while the bar only goes downhill from there, the bar on the other end probably lowers just as significantly, especially if it's given out as an Ace or Commander limited production machine.
@@aliesterus1.023 I meant one thing ppl seems to forget that the mainstream MS in Feddie during the UC0090s isnt "your lovely overpowered BS godly" Unicorn (yes I despise the RX-0 units to my every single core), but the Jegan lines
Stark Jegan piloted by a Fed ACE pilot to able to go toe-to-toe with the Kshatriya with pure skill. And that Nu Gundam was design to allow Londo Bell mechanics to perform maintenance/repair using Jegan's parts too.
This also happened with Narrative Gundam C Pack, that its beam rifle was modded from Jegan's beam rifle.
So if anything, RE-GZ base specs already outshine Feddie's mainstream MS than ppl give it credit for. And it goes to show that why the BWS is an even more stupid idea w
Oh, that O Gundam thing wasn´t something to be taken seriously. It appeared in a magazine that made elaborate parodies such as Mazingaim (Mazinger+L Gaim)
Yeah it was a parody draft
I love this channel
Zeta Easy is kinda neat; though that could be because of that non-colorized sketch feel.
I may not be a fan of Re-GZ's design, but it seems like they should have just simply focused on having a more affordable version of Zeta Easy and have the Re-GZ be a commander type suit. Ditching that nonsensical backpack system. Re-GZ would have likely performed better in-universe.
Watching it now!
The Murasame is laughing
*Shinn breathing heavily behind it*
Good video
When will you do the musai?
Hey the Re-gz is a great suit.
For the zeta easy I'm guessing the widely produced meant that it was developed and was tested by multiple different teams but it was ultimately limited in the number produced.
23:25 wait i thought this is the Z gustav a transforable unit that was made by neo zeon from the rx-78-2 gundam
At least in the manga it was from
Not so far from the truth. Both AFII and Z Gustav are based on the Kondo redesign of the Zeta. The Zeta Gustav has a much different body and an oversized globular monoeye composite visor tho
@@gundamfacts and you kind find a suprising amount of fan art and scratch builds for it
@@spartana1116 and I kind of mean, it's totally justified. The whole concept of the Zeta Gustav suit is so freakishly cool it's actually surprising it was not the main backstory choice for the Zeta TV series
no mention of the zeta methus hybrid the zII ?
6:12 the restoration really happened in U.C. 130's before the Jovian War and not around U.C. 100.
Yes and no. Anaheim journal claims the Zeta flew one last time in UC100, and the short kondo manga instead place it in UC130
@@gundamfacts how official is the Anaheim Journal with noted errors? The Gundam Weapons Z Gundam is older than the Journal publication.
@@StudioWDOnline but you have to reminder its from Kondo. Most kondo works in Grey area of UC, barely being UC and not AUC
@@gundamfacts but there books on Gundam that have inaccurate information. They do exist where Seabook commanded the Space Ark, but he is an MS pilot.
My favorite part is the Re-GZ fought against Char's Sazabi.
Is there any possibilities that A/F-II zeta would be continued to develop into S gundam? The waverider mode of these two seems similar especially in their legs in my eyes
I see what you are pointing out but unfortunately it wouldn't make much sense Lore wise. The A/F-II is a machine produced at earliest in UC89, while the S Gundam was finished and fielded by UC88 (events of Sentinel).
@@gundamfacts ooooh right right I forgot about the years where those two machines were fielded
It probably makes sense still in reverse as the Z A1 Plus where still being used in Unicorn era. The AF Zeta if it's canonized would of been from data from the S Gundam which formed some parts of it onto the Zeta Gundam which would make sense for UC0089 still.
What manga at 9:00?
UC94: Across the Sky
@@gundamfacts thanks
Zetas? Nice
Culd you talk about ms pilots and aces
I cant help but notice the echo in the background. If this is un-intentional, I would assume it's a problem with your recording software.
If it is intentional then...well nothing. It's a good video still. Very much info.
A mix of the two I would say, outside the distortion added, I'm recording with less than optimal equipment (should probably invest in a better mic by some point )
@@gundamfacts it's not too bad, so i wouldn't worry about it too much.
Why not include the arguably most successful variant the Zeta plus?
The Zetas plus is actually a "Failed" mass production Zeta, akin to the REGZ. Although it probably outperform all the suits on these list (outside possibly the Zeta easy), it was put directly to limited production because AE figured out it from the design board it was too expensive to replicate, ence the more refined and elaborate design.
@@gundamfacts so a successful zeta clone but too expensive to use as mass production so failure for the purpose of mass production but a good limited and specialist unit to the point we even see it being used into later eras post chars counter attacks
the regz for what it was as a potential new mass production front line suit was incredible
thing went toe to toe w sazabi in amuros hands and the custom version w the flight pack could be a successful commander/specialist suit w huge firepower
sadly they were costly and crazy advanced to the point if i recall normal pilots couldnt handle them and the feddies decided to instead push on w the jeagan line from the jeda and eventually the stark jegan and rezel as their standard units with the next zeta style special suit being the delta plus which actually got the delta’s transformation mode right and was of a tier of suit that wel exceeded the zeta plus or rezel in many aspects but never got mass produced
I am finally first to post and say hi! UwU
Welcome to the Zeta MP tribune!
@@gundamfacts I like UwU
You beat me to it this time!
@@stephenemery8831 >:3
By the way, IIRC somewhere I read that the Bawoo was supposed to be a mass produced Zeta Gundam made by Axis/Neo Zeon. How accurate is such claim?
Looking at the Bawoo itself, it certainly stands out from other Zeon MS that generally don’t follow the EF archetype of a beam rifle on the right arm and a shield on the left one.
I’m actually a bit surprised that we don’t see the EF with some captured Bawoos that had their mono-eyes replaced with visors or even Gundam eyes.
Anyway, speaking of mass produced transformable MS, I also heard that the original Gaza C was supposedly a very flawed TMS, to the point that it’s block build construction could only withstand transforming like 5 times before the frame broke down, is that true?
Supposedly the AMX-003S & AMX-006 were made to address such flaws, though I wonder if the AMX-003M addressed the issues as well. Since the GaZowmn was used for the other amphibious MS in Mars, it makes mw wonder why the AMX-006 wasn’t used instead as the base for the Gaza M.
Lastly, can I suggest doing a video on the Gaza series? It seemed to be Axis/Neo Zeon’s most ambitious MS series, being mass produced 3rd generation MS (at least before the 4th generation Doven Wolf entered the picture), which seems something that both the EF/Titans & AEUG/Karaba also aimed to develop on their own, but neither achieve in the numbers Haman managed to.
Okay, so let's answer in order.
- the claim of the Bawoo being related to the Zeta is more or less true, not that it is a direct deadcopy like some would claim, but more than in their attempts to develop their own transformable suits, Axis Zeon bought/got sold/ received defection data from AE in the form of Zeta and ZZ blueprints (Zeta Project data according to MS Bible), which resurfaced in the Bawoo design.
- as far as I remember, the exact quote for the Gaza problem is that the "transformable frame could only handle the strain of three missions", I've seen claims (even Japanese) that this would equate to the Gaza breaking down after only 3 transformations, but I think the Gaza would need to withstand at least slightly more to be approved in the first place, 3 tour of duty being...too few.
- about the Gaza series, I once had plans and early scripts for a possible one, so why not someday!
My solution to a mass production zeta variant would be to separate both aspects of the zeta, that being the mobile armor mode and the mobile suit mode but now they are separate, like in all honesty combining it would be a bad idea in general thats like the soviets attempt to make a flying tank, it would make for a terrible fighter and a terrible tank, so the idea would be to separate those aspects so rather than mixing oil and water, we instead make it cooperate in conjuction with each forms, for example on ground use the zeta fighters would support the ground zeta mobile suits and when in need of a quick deployment they would simply dock with each other much like the tickbalang and zowort or the dodai's and [insert MS name], meanwhile when its on space its also the same thing except we equip the MS zeta's with much more powerful thrusters while the MA zeta's would be equipped with fuel tanks for longer operation in helping deploy MS further out as well spare fuel tanks for refueling MS zeta's so they won't have to constantly return to their ship greatly increasing their combat range and their operation time, and another advantage wirh having both aspects separate is the prospect of modularity, rather than having an Early Warning or EWAC mobile suit, you can instead have an EWAC zeta mobile armor for better reconnaiscance and field view while maintaining extreme maneuverability and a smaller silhouette making it a harder target for the enemy, you can equip an entire squadron of zeta MA fighters with heavy ordinance as well to carpet bomb an area and soften up defenses before the rest could engage that in conjuction with zeta MS equipped with cannon modules for artillery support and AA defenses, the combinations are endless if you separate the MS and MA form, the final advantage would be cost and maintainance since both are sepaeate machines with their own lines of production making it easier for standardization not to mention a completely MA only Zeta would make it lighter and be more capable to store ammunitions, maneuver, and overall carry more payload without the MS aspect, if that isn't enough you can save enough money to probably create more traditional zeta gundams only given to special task forces and aces, its the best of both worlds until the eventual technologicl advancements would allow for components to be more compact and efficient that finally a mass production scale zeta gundam that has both forms would finally be feasable otherwise it is a good supement for when that day comes or when an even superior mobile suit design is finally accomplished, then again you could only go so far and war isn't going to last forever so the development of said weapons would probably take an immense amount of time
I do like your take but I see some problems in the Zeta dual twin suits:
- as seen in MSG, combiners are quite difficult to use, going from the need of coordination between the two pilots, to the dockings being difficult to pull, and of course leaving both machines vulnerable
- having two machines instead of one add different logistics problems, going from having to start up two different assembling line, adding new controls to learn for the pilots, engineers and techs needing to be ready to repair two types of machines instead of just one standardized model.
- generally speaking, Zeta Gundam showed us that combiners (like the G Fighter which embody what you describe) have become less effective in combat in comparison with transformable models, the Gundam Mk II + G defender VS Hambrabi shows pretty much that the combiner is a disadvantage because of a lack of individual versatility
@@gundamfacts yeah your right it wouldn't make sense especially just training alone, since its now separated between two categories of mobile armor pilot and mobile suit pilot, then again if they really went all in with the plan to adapt a mass production zeta gundam my solution would probably among that list of suggestions, although with all said and done it still wouldn't be approved since as you have said fully transformable mobile suits are generally more effective that even zeon adopted their own (gaza), honestly it wouldn't really make much sense for them to adopt the zeta in the first place now that I think about it like as you stated it is a very complicated suits and in every iteration of the story they always find a struggle to balance the suit for mass production purposes, Im even surprised they considered to mass produce it since it is too complicated for your average pilot the only people capable of piloting such suits are established aces and even then they would still struggle a bit before they get used to it, thus it would probably only make sense to mass produced the zeta as an ace unit which is one thing I got right at least, but Im ngl it would still be cool to see a squadron of zeta fighters supporting zeta suits its like human warfare but in mobile suit scales I'd also imagine there would be a zeta tank to serve as mechanized infantry vehicle to lead the charge
ReZEL is a Methuss derived suit anyway
Oh cool.
B-but what about the zeta+
The Zetas plus is actually a "Failed" mass production Zeta, akin to the REGZ. Although it probably outperform all the suits on these list (outside possibly the Zeta easy), it was put directly to limited production because AE figured out from the design board that it was too expensive to replicate, ence the more refined and elaborate design.
@@gundamfacts I appreciate your reply!! Thank you for clarifying!!
Wait, was that a submarine..... a mobile armour?
I thought the whole, and only point of the transformation was to make the m.s. able to fly in atmosphere, in space combat the alternate form it's totally useless, since there's no air resistance, and is only a liability since it adds a lot of stress on the frame. However, once the Xi and Penelope come around, with tyeir Minovsky craft systems, the whole transformation gimmick becomes obsolete, since it allows mobile suits to fly with an anti-gravity system. In the end i think that the Zeta and all its derivatives are just a huge cul de sac in mobile suit development.
I thought the rezel was a mass produced methus using jegan parts
U forgot the Murasame :P
The jegan:
If only the Z Plus is easier to mass produce, its performance is on par with the original Zeta.
Good video but when bawoo video
It's becoming more and more requested, it will comes someday
If I’m not wrong weren’t there more zeta gundam MP that were worse than these guys and not the Re-gz it already suffered too much Please don’t hurt my boy Re-gz but could you do a video about the bawoo it is just zeon variant/rip off of the zeta Gundam oh, and here’s a better idea could you do a video on transformable mobile suit that were better than zeta Gundam.
Don't worry, I'm myself a big fan of the ReGZ, and probably one of 3 last persons on Earth that doesn't shit on the BWS, and have good things to say about it.
Bawoo is Interestingly more and more requested, I might restart the video project someday (long story short I had half a Bawoo video ready last July, but I lost all files and scripts to a crash and essentially ragekited)
Newtype light is Gender bent Z Gundam.