Gundam_facts bonus: - the name Zeryon is actually far from being official. It was actually initially a fanname contraction that was adopted in some japanese forums following Chaika Battista!! original settings for the YMS-04M submitted for the MSV-R contest, with his amphibious idea being only named Zaku or Zeroyon (which was contracted as Zeryon). After his proposal won the contest and was subsequenty adopted, it would however only be referred as the MIP Underwater Test Type
Amazing video! I never heard of the Zeryon before, but it is refreshing to see that MIP’s MSM development didn’t spawn out of nowhere the best amphibious MS Zeon created. Regarding the MS-06M-1 and MS-06M-2, I had heard about it before from Mahq at the mechatalk forums, but they way he described it made it sound like Zeon literally made the RMS-192M as the MS-06M-1 first, then went to the MS-06M-2 which became the MSM-01, which was slightly better than the the former, but still considered unsuitable. The exterior of the Zaku Mariner actually makes a much better case of a Zaku II being modified for water use, while the Zaku Marine Type seems like a further specialization of the concept. That being said, the IRL development of the Zaku Mariner doesn’t help, originally supposed to be an amphibious configuration of the Zaku III, whose design hadn’t been finished at the time, but the designer of the Zaku Mariner incorrectly assumed it wouldn’t be too different from the MS-06. The Desert Zaku apparently had the same problem, also intended as a Zaku III equipment variation. Regardless, now we have a unit that is most similar to the Zaku II and fits better the bill of a middle step between the MS-06F and the MSM-01. I also liked the assumption that the EF basically threw gundarium at the problem and made both designs viable as the RMS-188MD and RMS-192M respectively, with Marine Hizack as an odd middle step. In fact I have been meaning to ask: what’s the armor material of the Marien Hizack (the MSM-01 like one from Zeta)? I had been wondering if it might be one of the units that led to an odd phase when some games (Journey to Jaburo and UCGO) and IIRC some publications (ex: Gundam Enciclopedia) claimed that OYW amphibious MS did use titanium/ceramic composite, unlike most other Zeon MS. And I’m not talking about the Hygogg and Z’gok E, but even the regular Gogg and Acguy. Moving on, the Hydro/Aqua has kept me wondering if someone didn’t mess when indicating which weapon is each, as the mega particle weapon in question is said to also be installed on the MSM-03-1 and be a predecessor of the Zeong’s hip cannons, which make it sound like something you would find in the main body of the MSM-02, not on its hands. In other words, I think the weapon was supposed to be the retractable backpack guns that many claim are vulcans. Also, it would make odd that Zimmad had created an MS with beam weapons on its hands, just to ditch them for the MSM-03 and essentially be upstaged by both the Acguy and Z’gok which did include arm mounted beam guns, are far easier to aim with than the Gogg’s belly guns. Lastly, the one thing I don’t get about the EF using amphibious Zakus over… basically anything else is that even the EF’s attempts had beam weapons in the form of beam picks, but these Zakus weapons are basically the same OYW that these “failed” prototypes used and which most later machines replaced or complemented with beam weapons, which became a standard with most other MS of the time (RMS-106, RMS-117 and RMS-179). It only gets worse if the MSM-01 units from Zeta are so similar to Hizacks, which do should be able to use at least one beam weapon. But I digress. Completely off topic question, but I learned that apparently the Zock did got approved for mass production at California Base, but was a case of “too late” for it to take place. But I got wondering if the Zock is supposed to be faster and perhaps even rather good at ground combat, given that it technically is using a hovering system like the Dom. I don’t expect it to have the same level of mobility as a Dom, but perhaps it was supposed to be at least faster than games and its few moments in the TV series make it seem like. Also reminds me that the Zaku Cannon has YMS-09 like leg thrusters, which makes me wonder if at some early point it was to be this ground hovering MS with a back mounted beam cannon (as some old sources claimed). Mark even theorized it might have been intended to be related to an early iteration of the MS-06R-3 that was mentioned, but never materialized and got replaced by the iterations we are more familiar with today. Could such ground hovering, beam shooting units made a difference in the war if introduced (or rather mass produced) just two weeks earlier, like the Gelgoog is sometimes said to?
I do find it funny the federation took the time and resources upgrading the pretty flawed design of the zaku marine multiple times and either canning them or being stolen by other factions only to double back to the Aqua GM and not even bothering to try to upgrade it.
just built the HG of this a couple weeks ago. nice video! edit: oh wow, i didn't know the zaku-mariner isn't actually the zaku marine type! i built the zaku-mariner haha... learned a lot in this vid.
the lack of more modern EFF style Marine MS always seem liked a problem to me. Even without Zeon Remnants, pirates using the Z'gok etc are an issue and the GM Aqua was frankly at best a stop gap. Also what about the Development history/Variants of the MA-05 Bigro? you have it in the background image this entire time and it has A LOT of cool variants.
@@stormtrippn3402 Yeah it's weird that Char didn't see or come into contact with any other units around. It's like he had tunnel vision. I'd think the other platoons would communicate to each other of Gundam sightings.
Zeon has billions of Aqua MS abd they're from Space while the Federation only has 4 and one of them is just a plane that shoots torpedoes and the other is a ball with big claws
I wish they kept some Zaku Mariner and Divers, while I like the GM Aqua, it’s a bit ridiculous to keep them besides maybe having them in backwater naval bases. Hell at least spend some money to modernize the Aqua GM, did they even improve the cockpit?
@@gundamfactscould have fooled me cause no reference I could find (granted I have limited options) ever mentioned they updated them. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if the cash strapped navy ever did update them since they poured their budged on Marine Zakus.
MSV-R expand a bit on this. The Marine started funding the Zeon remnants to avoid their budget shrinking and for them to keep their jobs because the Marine threat was still relevant (a bit like what Adenauer Paraya says to the Clop captain in CCA, about the EFSF becoming jobless should Newborn Neo Zeon stop being a thing). The Marine idea was technically genius because Marine Zeon remnants were quite peaceful and only attacked or provided support when ground based Zeon remnants requested, but very rarely on their own (as seen in MSV-R where the Jukon who serves as the Zeryons mothership is just content in staying afloat as long as it can and evading issues)
As much as I like the Zaku family and Geara Doga; heck no to the aquatic Zaku 2 (especially Marine Type). It reminds me of the real life Patton tank and how the M60A2 Starship was the one variant that was a mess. As far as aquatic versions of very human mobile suits go, the Zee Zulu seems to have been the most successful attempt in Universal Century.
Gundam_facts bonus:
- the name Zeryon is actually far from being official. It was actually initially a fanname contraction that was adopted in some japanese forums following Chaika Battista!! original settings for the YMS-04M submitted for the MSV-R contest, with his amphibious idea being only named Zaku or Zeroyon (which was contracted as Zeryon). After his proposal won the contest and was subsequenty adopted, it would however only be referred as the MIP Underwater Test Type
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Amazing video!
I never heard of the Zeryon before, but it is refreshing to see that MIP’s MSM development didn’t spawn out of nowhere the best amphibious MS Zeon created.
Regarding the MS-06M-1 and MS-06M-2, I had heard about it before from Mahq at the mechatalk forums, but they way he described it made it sound like Zeon literally made the RMS-192M as the MS-06M-1 first, then went to the MS-06M-2 which became the MSM-01, which was slightly better than the the former, but still considered unsuitable.
The exterior of the Zaku Mariner actually makes a much better case of a Zaku II being modified for water use, while the Zaku Marine Type seems like a further specialization of the concept.
That being said, the IRL development of the Zaku Mariner doesn’t help, originally supposed to be an amphibious configuration of the Zaku III, whose design hadn’t been finished at the time, but the designer of the Zaku Mariner incorrectly assumed it wouldn’t be too different from the MS-06. The Desert Zaku apparently had the same problem, also intended as a Zaku III equipment variation.
Regardless, now we have a unit that is most similar to the Zaku II and fits better the bill of a middle step between the MS-06F and the MSM-01.
I also liked the assumption that the EF basically threw gundarium at the problem and made both designs viable as the RMS-188MD and RMS-192M respectively, with Marine Hizack as an odd middle step.
In fact I have been meaning to ask: what’s the armor material of the Marien Hizack (the MSM-01 like one from Zeta)?
I had been wondering if it might be one of the units that led to an odd phase when some games (Journey to Jaburo and UCGO) and IIRC some publications (ex: Gundam Enciclopedia) claimed that OYW amphibious MS did use titanium/ceramic composite, unlike most other Zeon MS. And I’m not talking about the Hygogg and Z’gok E, but even the regular Gogg and Acguy.
Moving on, the Hydro/Aqua has kept me wondering if someone didn’t mess when indicating which weapon is each, as the mega particle weapon in question is said to also be installed on the MSM-03-1 and be a predecessor of the Zeong’s hip cannons, which make it sound like something you would find in the main body of the MSM-02, not on its hands. In other words, I think the weapon was supposed to be the retractable backpack guns that many claim are vulcans.
Also, it would make odd that Zimmad had created an MS with beam weapons on its hands, just to ditch them for the MSM-03 and essentially be upstaged by both the Acguy and Z’gok which did include arm mounted beam guns, are far easier to aim with than the Gogg’s belly guns.
Lastly, the one thing I don’t get about the EF using amphibious Zakus over… basically anything else is that even the EF’s attempts had beam weapons in the form of beam picks, but these Zakus weapons are basically the same OYW that these “failed” prototypes used and which most later machines replaced or complemented with beam weapons, which became a standard with most other MS of the time (RMS-106, RMS-117 and RMS-179).
It only gets worse if the MSM-01 units from Zeta are so similar to Hizacks, which do should be able to use at least one beam weapon. But I digress.
Completely off topic question, but I learned that apparently the Zock did got approved for mass production at California Base, but was a case of “too late” for it to take place. But I got wondering if the Zock is supposed to be faster and perhaps even rather good at ground combat, given that it technically is using a hovering system like the Dom. I don’t expect it to have the same level of mobility as a Dom, but perhaps it was supposed to be at least faster than games and its few moments in the TV series make it seem like.
Also reminds me that the Zaku Cannon has YMS-09 like leg thrusters, which makes me wonder if at some early point it was to be this ground hovering MS with a back mounted beam cannon (as some old sources claimed). Mark even theorized it might have been intended to be related to an early iteration of the MS-06R-3 that was mentioned, but never materialized and got replaced by the iterations we are more familiar with today.
Could such ground hovering, beam shooting units made a difference in the war if introduced (or rather mass produced) just two weeks earlier, like the Gelgoog is sometimes said to?
I do find it funny the federation took the time and resources upgrading the pretty flawed design of the zaku marine multiple times and either canning them or being stolen by other factions only to double back to the Aqua GM and not even bothering to try to upgrade it.
Thank you for making the history for marine type zaku❤❤❤❤❤
I'm glad you liked it! Never expected to have fun covering them but I did
just built the HG of this a couple weeks ago. nice video!
edit: oh wow, i didn't know the zaku-mariner isn't actually the zaku marine type! i built the zaku-mariner haha... learned a lot in this vid.
It's crazy to think that the Federation use, develop, and invest in the marine Zakus line much much more than Zeon themselves.
Those SD versions are adorable
Very fond of them too
Oceangate with zakus is a fun concept
Always a good day when a new gundamfacts video drops.
Awesome. Great and informative video as always.
We have to keep the quality up
Gotta love the Marine types!!!!
They have their own charm
Hydro test type counterpart in Cosmic Era was
YF-3A GINN FEMWS right?
I believe so
the lack of more modern EFF style Marine MS always seem liked a problem to me. Even without Zeon Remnants, pirates using the Z'gok etc are an issue and the GM Aqua was frankly at best a stop gap. Also what about the Development history/Variants of the MA-05 Bigro? you have it in the background image this entire time and it has A LOT of cool variants.
Where did you find the info for the Hydro Test Type having Mega Particle Cannons?
Model Information Separate Volume MS Variation Handbook 2 from 1983
U start to wonder how many types of Zakus exist in universe 😂
Still not as baffling as somehow there's at least 35 gundams in the oyw and that's a rough estimate.
@@stormtrippn3402 Yeah it's weird that Char didn't see or come into contact with any other units around. It's like he had tunnel vision. I'd think the other platoons would communicate to each other of Gundam sightings.
@@potatomongrel Earthsphere is a big, big place
All of them.
Could you do the Gouf next
Wooohooo more facts! When can we get some more whacky late UC?
You will have to wait a bit, track the end spoilers!
You really like ice on cakes
There's a unit called Naga III eh, Naga in Indo/Malay means Dragon btw
Yeah never knew..a unit call naga iii
Yeah the Naga III logo is actually a sort of big red reptilian fish
Zeon has billions of Aqua MS abd they're from Space while the Federation only has 4 and one of them is just a plane that shoots torpedoes and the other is a ball with big claws
So, is the Dom troopen apart of these apology supplies.
This is a repost.
I wish they kept some Zaku Mariner and Divers, while I like the GM Aqua, it’s a bit ridiculous to keep them besides maybe having them in backwater naval bases.
Hell at least spend some money to modernize the Aqua GM, did they even improve the cockpit?
I assume the panoramic linear seat cockpit with the all sky monitor was likely added yes
@@gundamfactscould have fooled me cause no reference I could find (granted I have limited options) ever mentioned they updated them. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if the cash strapped navy ever did update them since they poured their budged on Marine Zakus.
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It's kinda shitty that EFF supplied the remnants as an excuse to keep funding their navy. Keeping a problem around to train grunts is fucked up.
MSV-R expand a bit on this. The Marine started funding the Zeon remnants to avoid their budget shrinking and for them to keep their jobs because the Marine threat was still relevant (a bit like what Adenauer Paraya says to the Clop captain in CCA, about the EFSF becoming jobless should Newborn Neo Zeon stop being a thing). The Marine idea was technically genius because Marine Zeon remnants were quite peaceful and only attacked or provided support when ground based Zeon remnants requested, but very rarely on their own (as seen in MSV-R where the Jukon who serves as the Zeryons mothership is just content in staying afloat as long as it can and evading issues)
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As much as I like the Zaku family and Geara Doga; heck no to the aquatic Zaku 2 (especially Marine Type). It reminds me of the real life Patton tank and how the M60A2 Starship was the one variant that was a mess.
As far as aquatic versions of very human mobile suits go, the Zee Zulu seems to have been the most successful attempt in Universal Century.
I ironically love the Starship design