What Happened at Worlds 2017 Cannot Happen Again | Timer Resets
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- I hope timer resets are soon a thing of the past. What happened at Worlds 2017 cannot happen again. It sucks for the competitiors and the delegates. We all want fair competitions. We don't want solved cubes counted as DNFs.
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If extra attempts on timer resets were allowed, dishonest cubers could just force a timer reset when they get a bad scramble or a bad solve, so that's not a good solution.
Samuel Simko I thought about that too and I agree. Seems like a cubing-specific timer is the only solution that doesn’t leave anything on the table.
Exactly. A functioning timer, not even perfect, just not with terrible flaws, would make it impractical to accidentally simulate a timer malfunction.
Mhmm
Ya this is why the regs are the way they are
@@simonchanin I mean, they have the capability of making a good one they just need to fix the layout of the timer
Make the reset button require a 2 second hold to activate.
Edit: I’m aware of the g5. This comment is 3 years old. I’m aware that this problem has been resolved.
Eddie Kalista literally what I thought.
I say 5 seconds, to make sure
thought the same thing. plug in power and a 3 sec hold on the reset and power button.
@@rush8647 ignore the obvious troll
One second should be enough
Wow thanks for featuting me
Actually in my case I was given an extra attempt because the timer reset on its own due to low battery
@100 subscribers no videos ??? Khawaja "lucky"
100 subscribers no videos ??? Khawaja yes very lucky to miss a good solve because of bad equipment
Heyy en fait , tu parles super bien anglais (0_0)
Juliette Sébastien yeah, i think this error should be patched or at least someone need to make a timer with a memory (like it keeps the 5 previous solves)... et aussi tu es super continue comme ça ! J’ai quelque peu lâcher le cubing mais j’adore en regarder :)
Rip 5
All cubing manufacturers want to know your location.
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Twistii Cuber hi
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Hey I judged you at your recent competition at your last solve. You're fast, and nice :)
"This might be the worst moment in Cubing History"
Me: *cough, cough* Jayden McNeil sub 4 fail, *cough,cough*
😂🤣
Feliks corner twist wr fail
@@pulsarcubes Nah. Both of them were wr, yes, but a sub-4 wouldve been totally legendary (since it wouldve been the first one). Feliks fanboy spotted
Haha
Cough hays
I like how Feliks was so calm about these malfunctions.
Everybody talking about the timer reseting and all...
0:37 But nobody talking about the fact that they resurected Albert Einstein just to take him to the championship.
haha that’s uwe meffert
@@LaZer0MonKey more like UwU Meffert lol
Hahaha
@@LaZer0MonKey r/woooosh
@@Anvi_535 hello fellow Internet user named after an object
Personally I think the saddest moment in all of cubing history was when Jayden McNeill missed getting the worlds first 3 by dropping the cube.
ikr
What about Feliks corner twist
But jaydens was probably worse
@@jjcubers1783 yeah, Feliks had a lot of WRs.
Poor jay :(
Great video. But I just wanna make clear that giving extras for timer resets is not an option. One can easily make a reset appear accidental if the solve is going badly.
this
yeah, this should've been mentioned in the video
@100 subscribers no videos ??? Khawaja what
@100 subscribers no videos ??? Khawaja Yes, everyone cares if you cheat. No, that doesn't work, everyone would figure the unknown reg after a while, but it doesn't even matter cus it's a shitty rule that allows you to cheat as long as it's not too much.
Mhmm
2:57 can we take a time to admire that pen freestyle skills on his hand
It’s just practice. 🤷🏻
1:07 the little “nod” from Feliks, and then the realization of what happened, followed by empathy though.
2 years later... This is where the SpeedStacks G5 Timer comes in
Even for stackers, speedstacks timers have always had various issues. The generation 3 timers would often turn off with 8:88.888 shown if stopped too hard, even when the batteries are brand new. And the gen 4 timers did not fix this issue. The only generation timer I found not to experience any issues was the generation 2 non-save timer, which was discontinued all the way back in 2011. And yes, normal resets occur far too often to be acceptable. Not only should the timers be redesigned, they should also be vigorously checked for bugs before release, which speedstacks clearly failed at doing.
hi michel
@@benjaminkyle3867 hi benny
Wassup dude
@@mrartt hi
@@SpeedStacker-ml9hp hello
Surely they would be able to accurately calculate the time using high speed cameras even if the timer breaks.
bruh$
Ikr you can literally see the time
or just count the frames, it is fixed 30/60fps anyways
Or just have the computer save the last 3 times. Like a stopwatch
Exactly
Everything you mentioned is correct. In WSSA sport stacking competition (which the timers are originally made for) If the timer does any of this (except for the 8:888:888 malfunction) its DQd and we lose one of our three attempts.
The timers record to 0.000 because in Sport stacking there used to be an insane amount of ties and the new decimal place brought down the amount of ties by a lot and Ive won several events in tournament because of that new decimal place.
It would be really cool if you guys designed and built your own timers, id love to see it
Also, there are timers that reset when you place your hands down on the touch pads after a few seconds, but they arent compatible with the tournament displays.
nothing to do with the video but omfg watching meffert interacting with seb brings back memories
do what he said and dont drop the cube
Makes me mad
@@theWestonian what is meffert?
@@arcotmohammedrushaan5502 not what . Who is meffert
He created a lot of shapeshiftinf cubes
Equipment malfunction
What idiot puts a reset button anywhere near the area
It's designed for speedstacking, not speedsolving
There might be an even EASIER fix. Just make the timer have a "memory" function of the previous "valid" time that isn't 0:000. That way if it does get reset it would still remember.
That would require memory which is way more expensive than the parts used on the timer
@@Anon.G the cheapest of elementary school calculators have a Small memory in it to remember the last result, they're not expensive at all
@@Anon.G it already has memory but doesn't use it well
@@8paolo96 they're volatile memory, after a power off all data is lost in those
@@yidisprei100 alright then it's possible
0:39 Thats when Max Park changed the way he was holding his ticket
I have never experienced a timer reset, nor in competence nor at home, but I’m pretty sure that feeling might be really bad.
I have friends who experienced that problem and they looked really disappointed.
I hope cube brands start taking care of that issue.
A Cubes can U check my Yt vids
I hate it when the timer resets officially. I would’ve had a sub 15 squan average last weekend.
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Him : starts solving
Me : *blinks*
Him : finishes solving
Me: did I miss anything?
i see why you dont have friends
R' LMAO
@@rprime4308 😂
Sebastian's Reaction Was The Best
For me as a stacker, I understand the issues that you guys face with the timers, as i have faced these issues at stacking tournaments too. I would suggest for you guys to try using the speed stacks gx timers, because the don’t have a reset button but the pads are smaller than the pads on gen 4 and gen 3 timers
YJ In 2020: WE HAVE A SOLUTION!
"Touchless Timer"
6.159 was the time
(For the first one)
With this amount of dnf, I’m surprised the competition didn’t get dnf ‘d
INTRODUCING THE NEW GEN 5 SPEED TIMER WITH A TOTALLY NEW DESIGN .moves the reset button somewhere else.
the first vid's time is actually 6.159 if u look with 0.25x speed
You can see all the times if you pause the video near the solves and use "," and "." to move up/down frames.
Times:
6.159
25.287
1.398
5.773
8.842
15.241
1.494
8.504
I sea it normal speed
RGS Ninja *see
@@nml5027 oh rly? u have hawk eyes or something?
恩頎陳 he plays fortnite I wouldn’t even bother arguing
That's good a channel like yours with a lot of people speaks about that scandale !!
During Euros 2019 I experienced the wierdest thing ever with these timers. 4x4, the competitor finished, stopped the timer, and it has stopped for sure. I started writing down the time, and after the seconds, I looked up to check the rest of the time, and the timer was running again, with 1 additional MINUTE compared to the original time...
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what
Thats honestly really stupid. These companies are killing each other to try and sell the best cubes but none of them thought about simple tools like the timer
0:26
I thought jay's sub 4 fail was the worst moment in cubing history 🤔🤔
I have a mini timer and mat from the Cubicle and it's amazing. There is no reset button, it resets automatically when you place your hands on the timer. In addition, it only shows 2 digits. Cube manufacturers should adopt this system. It doesn't seem to be flawed, like the other one.
Edit : it's the GX timer. Someone else in the comment section pointed that out.
All that needs it happen is move the reset/power buttons and make it work properly when battery is low
As someone who is not in the competitive scene and watching this at past midnight on a Wednesday, this is a serious problem.
Instead of pushing the reset button by accident why can’t they just make the button to pulling the button
ReaperX cos they lazy
ReaperX why not just put the reset button at the sides or under
Requiring you to hold it down for 1 or 2 seconds is much easier and doesn't require changing the actual button or layout.
Thank you for bringing up this issue. Watching those solves ruined by the timer is almost physically painful. I hope that the WCA decides to take action to prevent this in the future. While I don't think the timer redesign needs to go as far as you suggested (I like the 3 decimal places, PB saving is not a large issue, and I'm afraid adding capabilities like inspection is unnecessary and could result in extra complication and expense), I fully agree with your overall point.
Agreed. This really is not fair
Hey thanks for making this video. I got my stack mat gen4 three months ago and it has not bugged out on my once. I think that the WCA and the manufacturers have made a conscious effort to try to prevent this. Thanks again 👍
Fantastic video, and very important points. I do believe there should be a timer specifically designed for cubing, piggy-backing off of speed stacks timers is ludicrous.
Oh hi M
@@twistiicuber1055 Oh hello xD
That's why there is the new Speedstacks G5. Whether you hate it or not this new timer will prevent such things from happening again.
Kevi Hayes 6x6 world record fail explosion is the worst thing to happen in cubing history
Look up jay mcneills 4.97 official solve fail.
Yeah definitely
Even we had orings on all of the timers, we still got 8:88:888 or timer reset issues, I felt sad too when seeing these happened.
*”Should the WCA change the regulations?”*
Me: *YES*
Very important message for WCA AND SPEED STACKS
Just freeze frame the timer? Playback? Wow.
But majority of camera has 30-60fps, so it cant get accurate down to 0.001 second
Good idea though
@@berliandro majority camera? There are plenty of slow motion cameras that are used for various things, including sports competitions such as sprinting etc. Surely cubers official tourney could get their hands on one.
6.159 for the first solve.
not every competition has a live stream and not everyone takes a video of every solve they do
@@Indev but for something as big and importans as Worlds finals, they should do.
3:02 "Should the community build a new timer?"
I was in the 1982 Rubik's cube world championships, and the timers we used were better than these stack timers. This is nearly 40 years ago. They worked with a light sensor. You picked up the cube, the timer started. You put it down, the timer stopped.
thanks for the info I wasn’t aware. I’ll look into that
@@LaZer0MonKey Ok mate. Current solve times include four steps that ideally should not be included. 1. Moving your hands from the timer pads to the cube. 2. Picking up the cube. 3. Putting the cube down. 4. Moving your hands back to the timer pads. All those four things should be eliminated. A new timer should get rid of these. The timer I mentioned at least got rid of two of them. Maybe that's the best that can be done, but it's better than the Stack timers.
Would love to see this happen. As someone who's not a cuber, is there any reason the WCA doesn't use the 3rd digit?
Is because they dont change to add the 3rd decimal like in WSSA
So how the WCA use the old display for so much time that they keep like the old display
The fact that Felix himself had timer resets just shows how destiny doesn't depend on fame.
(wca announcement) ok everybody we're all gonna use giker cubes now!
It is for this reason that we can't reset the time on the g5 timer, during 3 seconds after the solve. We also have to press on the reset button 0.5 second to reset. It is a great innovation. It was essential as we can see.
It would probably help if there were timers made specifically for cubing, instead of speed stacking timers being adapted for cubing
Edit: 3:06 ooooohhhhhhh
I am currently working on a form of the G5 timer but oriented toward cubing with longer times (instead of ten minutes, twenty), better ergonomic tilted pads, ringed buttons with slighlty longer press times, and battery indicator displays. You can try this too by **ahem** borrowing SpeedStacks's tech, ordering parts, and 3D printing the design. I will upload a video when I finish.
Never knew what the rings were for, very interesting. Nice topic, a new timer design with your suggestions would be amazing.
Watching this 3 years later I wonder if this video was the reason the new g5 has a cubing mode that has the few seconds of holding down
Lol the timer reset should be at the side, a very simple fix for a professional equipment.
Why they can't just watch the clip where they were filmed and look at the timer at the exact time they've restarted???
2:00 That guy looks like he said wtf
This video NEEDS to be shown to as many people in the community as possible to help fix this problem. Let's make a WCA timer happen!
Hi Phillip , when you were discussing it was a very motivational. And I really liked it 🙂🙂🙂
That's right👌😙
What they should do is change the reset button into a switch wired from the timer in which only the the guy who records the solves has access to.
Unfortunately there are legal issues. Speedstacks has a patent on timers that are started and stopped this way.
you perhaps know when that expires?
Everyone else: “wtf man, this is bullshit”
Feliks: “damn that’s tuff”
Why are that hand stops not placed away from the controls like a wired gaming controller, that would keep the reset button away from the hands entirely!!!!
The worst moment in cubing history is still jay nearly getting a sub 4 but dropped his cube
Just need a non volatile memory in the device so even with a reset or battery death it should store the data
for anyone wondering what his first solve was it was 6.159
Yeahh I'm in de video, but I don't understand my case I had a 0.02 instead of 0.000.
Probably reset and kept counting up, and then your hands touched the pads and stopped the timer. Your thumb was ahead of your palms. Maybe. Definitely a malfunction nonetheless
There's an explicit regulation that would offer you a do-over in that case
Yep A solve Under 0.06 secs is considered malfunction
Yeah, they must put on the next-gen timer the reset button somewhere else, maybe in the middle or just, as you said, make it so that you have to hold it down for 1.5/2 seconds to reset.
I failed nr2 avg on 3x3 because that happened 😔
Rip
0:05 6.159 is what his time would’ve been if he hadn’t reset
Why am I watching this If i can't even solve the first layer.
Ok
It's because you care...
You care about what matters to harder core fans of a sport you have an interest in.
Empathy is a good trait to have. 👍
And caring about others will help you to better yourself too...
Maybe even in eventually solving the cube someday.
even though i cube and know the struggles of a timer reseting or clearing by accident, you cant complain if the timer wasnt meant for what its being used for. The timers used are for the WSSA, or cup stacking. The timer works perfectly when used for that. Instead of telling the WSSA what they should do with their timers, go to MoYo and tell them to modify their timer and use it instead.
may I ask why the timer works better for stacking than with cubing I mean in both you have to slam down both hands to stop the timer, having a chance to trigger reset...
@@My1xT first off, that comment was made two years ago. Second off I still don’t think you should tell a stacking company who doesn’t specialize in cubes and timers specially for them how to modify timers (built in o rings etc). Third, your timer shouldn’t reset when being slammed or harshly stopped, if it does it’s probably a timer dying. Not to mention regardless of whether you’re cubing or stacking, you shouldn’t be slamming your timer to stop it 💀💀
@@koda2180 1) I didnt look at when the comment was made and also does it matter?
2) I am not telling them to, I was just asking how the timer behaves better for stacking than for cubing because the basic idea is the same, hands down, do your thing, hands down again.
3) people dont slam the timer for fun, but it's a side effect of being fast and likely because the timer gets slammed a lot would be one of the main reasons why they opted for capacitive touch areas rather than mechanical buttons to put your hands on.
4) also while they dont specify in cubes, I'd say they specify enough in timers that they have a patent on these which makes it kinda hard to make better ones, and things like having a reset button that's harder to activate according to some comments would also be nicer in stacking as apparently the reset button issue can happen there too (understandably)
5) they actually made some adjustments so that the reset button needs to be held down a little in G5 which is a great improvement even from a perspective of a non-cuber like me
@@My1xT okay but speed doesn’t necessarily play a part in slamming. I understand the point made but just because you go faster than other people doesn’t mean you *have* to slam your timer. Regardless why not just invent a new timer system and patent it? My point with that is so many people beforehand (at the time I made the original comment) wanted speedstacks to adjust their timers to the cubing communities liking which wouldn’t benefit the speed stacking community for whom the timers were originally designed for. My whole point is don’t get upset when something doesn’t function how you want when it wasn’t originally intended for it. I.E, you drop your cube on the power button of the timer and it shuts off. I’m pretty sure that counts against you. Cups don’t weigh enough to do that. So again I feel like the cubing community needs to design a whole new timer and get it patented for specifically cubing
Yeah guys. Use o-rings. Wrap it before you tap it.
_bluriCuber if you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it
the YJ timer is REALLY nice
no such problems on it
lol 666 k views as of the 14th of December 2019. this video is cursed
Yikes
Wait, the same problems should be occurring in speedstacks too, right? So why wouldn't it be fixed by now?
Why can't you just put it is ultra slow motion so you can see when you hit dont
The displays have a certian amount of latency from the timer, so the time that they display is slightly behind what the timer is actually recording. In addition the displays don't refresh every thousandth (or hundredth) of a second, making it impossible to get an accurate time.
Ok thanks
If there is video evidence, like a security camera to frame count the time from start, aka, from starting the timer and stopping.
6.159 for those of you who are curious
You’d think with how big cubing has gotten that they would use a different stackmat, what a hilariously ironic flaw
0:13 his time was 6.027
Actually 6.159
@@calebyao. Yes, that's true
The slow motion in this video shows that it is possible to see the time when the timer is stopped before it resets. This time should be used in case of accidental reset. It's an easy fix, I don't know why it's not done.
Chris Tran, it's time.
So very hopeful that the gan smart timer to be good. Can't wait for my pre-order to ship😁
I completely agree with this. They should allow extras when this happens. It’s completely unfair and not the competitors fault that the timer resets.
yes, good point, but if a cuber had a bad solve, they could easily force a timer reset and get to start all over again and thats not fair
I absolutely agree with everything in this video. O-rings should always be used where feasible, timer resets should *never* happen in a competition solve, and we need to look into making a new timer. There's just one problem.
This stuff is expensive to make!
I can kinda see a company like Moyu, GAN, or Qiyi making one? But then we have to contend with potential patent issues caused by similar designs with the Speedstacks timer. I realise Chinese companies generally play exceedingly fast and loose with intellectual property, but I'm more concerned with the WCA itself.
It's not impossible. I just think it would be very difficult.
This is a sport? Never heard of it
*Feliks:* Hold my chocolate milk and watch this solve
*Timer:* I'm going to ruin this boys career
First like and comment. Clicked this faster than the fastest Pyraminx Single at worlds
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This has happened so many times to me. I hope they this into consideration.
YJ has made two timers now, one of which solves the timer reset problem the other is just cool technology
Ikr all these people were pissed I would be too.
"we should design a new timer"
foreshadowing
Yes we should make a Rubik’s cube specific timer and we should be given extra attempts it’s only fair since it’s not technically our fault and it shouldn’t happen anyway
USB mains powered with battery backup, with pow and reset on the centre front of the unit well away from any stray fingers in a downward motion.
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So I wish that there was a timer made specifically for speedcubing, but Speed Stacks Inc. holds the patent for the timers. Here is exactly what the patent says: "The present invention describes an apparatus and method for timing manual dexterity and hand-eye coordination competitions. Specifically, the present invention relates to an apparatus and method for timing cup stacking competitions. The apparatus of the present invention includes a mat which may incorporate a timer and the cups which are to be stacked on the mat." So idk if cube manufacturers can just make a new timer without infringing on a patent. I feel like they would have already done it if they could, y'know?
Damn, almost a Million people are interested in Rubik's Cube Time Reset Issue. 10 Times the number of people actually competing