the other big one not mentioned is Fabio De'Rose, which is arguably the most entertaining of all. tl:dr, professional magician, got a sub30 3bld solve while averaging 50s by replacing the cube under the cover brought to him with one he already knew the scramble, the judge didnt notice because someone else in the venue just set an NR and the entire venue was distracted. In addition, he claimed to have gotten 40 second memo in an official 9 minute 5bld solve by one passing entirely audio memo (the fastest 5bld memo done officially so far 6 years later is Hill pong's ASR with 41 memo). When asked about his 5bld times, he said he averaged somewhere in the 4-5 minute range, but upon being asked to record some 5bld attempts at home, the best he could send was an 8 minute attempt (DNF) in which he had already attempted the same scramble several times before (I think around 5 times).
Yeah that's another interesting one I looked into too! Didn't include because video was a bit long and wasn't really a huge record. Also there's already a lot of blind in this video lol
Great video! That was interesting and also a bit sad to watch, especially the case where the parents allegedly helped their son to cheat (top notch parenting). I'm glad they all got exposed.
6:46 Martin Telesforo affirmed that it could have been a misscramble because that tournament was very poorly organized, he said that his cube got stuck in a crack in the table and he made random movements and gave up the resolution but a large part of the F2L OLL skip was put together and a J perm himself affirmed that he was not proud because it was luck, apart from the fact that the cube was obviously not well Scrambled (the WCA tried to accuse him of cheating and they did not give him the opportunity to only put DNF to the resolution for a misscramble and they accused him of cheater and they banned of competitions)
A good rule to follow if you are going to cheat: Don't be too obvious, if on tests you always get mid C range, it will be very suspicious if you get an A+ out of nowhere.
I think it was unfair that the competitor being helped by a delegate in bld was banned. It wasn’t his fault that the delegate told him the center orientation and he didn’t try to cheat.
I’m sure it happens everywhere but the only time it’s gonna get noticed is when it’s a fast time or a record of some sort, it’s impossible to catch them all but wca does a good job
Once I had an entire round of skewb removed because I didn't know that sarah's notation wasn't what the standard used and I scrambled like a third of the round 😭
U should also notice that Màtyàs was disappointed just as he put the cube down, b4 the sight blocker was taken away 1:23 look carefully at his reaction
yo bro i got a suggestion You could upload your video essays like this one as podcasts cause it could be more convenient and it doesnt require too much additional effort Love your videos man x
How do you "manipulate" a scramble? What I understand, the cube is not given to you before examining step, and it would be pretty evident if you turn the cube before timer starts, so should be pretty impossible to affect the scramble. Yeah, the competitions where the scrambled cubes were not held hidden from the cuber, but thats a err or the competition side, and it should not be considered cheating to take advantage of that information, unless you as a cuber purposefully trespassed into an area not intended for cubers not yet finished.
I think they mean manipulating the scramble that is chosen for the round. It should be determined randomly by computer, but if you are involved in that process you can get the computer to spit out an easy scramble or one you already know. It seems very odd that delegates are allowed to compete in the competitions they are the delegate for... Stopping that would eliminate that problem...
@@thomasdalton1508 how is it "odd" that delegates get to compete in their own competitions? there are multiple delegates that have very high world rankings like Patrick Ponce, Elijah Brown, Carter Kucala, Jay McNeill, Conan Mo, Antonio Kam and probably a lot more that I'm missing. i trust delegates to not cheat by looking at scrambles beforehand, most delegates are very responsible and trustworthy people but Sebastiano Pino Castillo is a clear exception.
@Cube Master You can add another one to the list. WDC just posted in the WCA forums about banning someone for 2 years for cheating in blindfold events.
Unfortunate that these competitors did what they have done, or seem to have done in several cases. If you cheat, it's a matter of time before you're caught. All of the respect people have for you will be gone in an instant. All of the support will be replaced with rejection the very moment people learn that you duped them and made them accomplices to what you did. I doubt I'm speaking for myself here: I'm a nerdy person. Not like cool nerds who speedrun video games and have like millions of followers-I'm like the dorky sort of nerd who doesn't fit into normal crowds at all. If that sounds like you … when you go to a cubing event, these are your people. Your friends, even the ones you don't know very well yet. You don't need to be the best to make friends, and even if you're good enough to win some prize money, so what? Is the small amount of money you could win worth throwing away your connection to the people who are just glad to see you there? Is it worth being the center of positive attention for a few minutes only to become the center of doubt and ridicule for years after the fact? You don't have to be the best to be respected, you just have to finish well. Play fair, and may next time be at least as good as your last one.
Tommaso Raposio said something interesting about Ushakov's fmc wr: R' U' F R U2 R F2 D2 R' B2 R D2 B D' B' U2 F2 D2 R' B2 D' R' F' R' U' F R' B' D2 R' U R // blocks (actually the only convincing parts of his original explanation) D U F' // EO (U/D) + DR R D2 R' U2 L' // HTR B2 D2 B2 D2 B2 // finish if you pretend it's cyprian doing random blocks at the start, this solution is almost believable
like its crazy how far FMC has gotten. almost every single solve at the highest level (with the big exception of Cyprian) is done with thistlethwaite's algorithm of EO->DR->HTR->finish, and so its become really really difficult to discern cheating if the optimal solutions given by nissy or cube explorer is basically identical to what a human could concievably come up with. as long as the optimal solution doesnt break any of the steps along the way, one could just claim that the EO and Dr of the solution was something they happened upon. and this isnt that unbelievable, since the top people reguarly try like 30-50 EOs sometimes for a given attempt. it would be so easy to write a bunch of EOs, try and write down a bunch of DRs, and have the optimal cube explorer's solution be one of them and get an easy WR
Are these guys making any kind of real money for doing any of this? I don’t know much about speed cubing besides Felix and max but I assume even they don’t make a ton of money. These guys are really just cheating to impress other cubers? That’s pretty wild.
I wonder, why isn't blind cubing done using a visible cube but that has same color on all sides, but has invisible markings (UV or similiar) that can be read using blacklight. (Then the examination step could be made with a blacklight that has a timer) Another alternative would be to have magnetically attached black cover plates that covers each color, that needs to be removed using a suction cup. That should make it practically impossible to cheat during blindfolded runs, and they could be run with eyes open.
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cheating at clock is embarrassing
1:26 no way he stopped it at 12345
not only me who realized
One time at one of my comps that happened
Ik right that my first reaction too! 😂
the other big one not mentioned is Fabio De'Rose, which is arguably the most entertaining of all. tl:dr, professional magician, got a sub30 3bld solve while averaging 50s by replacing the cube under the cover brought to him with one he already knew the scramble, the judge didnt notice because someone else in the venue just set an NR and the entire venue was distracted. In addition, he claimed to have gotten 40 second memo in an official 9 minute 5bld solve by one passing entirely audio memo (the fastest 5bld memo done officially so far 6 years later is Hill pong's ASR with 41 memo). When asked about his 5bld times, he said he averaged somewhere in the 4-5 minute range, but upon being asked to record some 5bld attempts at home, the best he could send was an 8 minute attempt (DNF) in which he had already attempted the same scramble several times before (I think around 5 times).
Yeah that's another interesting one I looked into too! Didn't include because video was a bit long and wasn't really a huge record. Also there's already a lot of blind in this video lol
fuck noah you beat me to it
That aint a TL:DR, that's a RYLS (read you lazy sht)
1:25 OK BUT THAT TIME THO
Damn
Great video! That was interesting and also a bit sad to watch, especially the case where the parents allegedly helped their son to cheat (top notch parenting). I'm glad they all got exposed.
If they got away no one would know tho😢😅
6:46
Martin Telesforo affirmed that it could have been a misscramble because that tournament was very poorly organized, he said that his cube got stuck in a crack in the table and he made random movements and gave up the resolution but a large part of the F2L OLL skip was put together and a J perm himself affirmed that he was not proud because it was luck, apart from the fact that the cube was obviously not well Scrambled (the WCA tried to accuse him of cheating and they did not give him the opportunity to only put DNF to the resolution for a misscramble and they accused him of cheater and they banned of competitions)
that crack in the table must be damn big
A good rule to follow if you are going to cheat: Don't be too obvious, if on tests you always get mid C range, it will be very suspicious if you get an A+ out of nowhere.
or just, don't cheat
A good rule to follow: study and dont cheat
Great video, and I love the new, more serious documentary-ish style of video! I hope you put out more of these videos soon.
6:49 The subtitles 💀💀💀
3:45 talking about kalindu from 2016
7:56 that's why max park takes his non-oh hand off the timer while solving. so that doesn't happen.
Such an interesting video to start off the new year! Hope you get much bigger on yt soon
I think it was unfair that the competitor being helped by a delegate in bld was banned. It wasn’t his fault that the delegate told him the center orientation and he didn’t try to cheat.
And him not saying anything about it makes him just as guilty as the delegate.
@@answer610isn’t it a rule that if you disrespect the delegate you can get banned as well though
What scares me is that there may be cheaters currently active yet to be discovered...
This is very true. We do have more rules and regulations in place to prevent this from happening but it is still possible
I’m sure it happens everywhere but the only time it’s gonna get noticed is when it’s a fast time or a record of some sort, it’s impossible to catch them all but wca does a good job
Like the current single WR
@@TripDadLife in what event?
@@the_no1_ginger252 3x3 I'm assuming though idk why he would think it's fake
A year later we got kalindu
💀
Cubemaster deserves more subscribers with the type of content he's posting
Once I had an entire round of skewb removed because I didn't know that sarah's notation wasn't what the standard used and I scrambled like a third of the round 😭
lmao, tbh i wish wca was lowercase so it was more intuitive and easier to get used to alg notation
Nahh mann thats wild 😂😂 skewb sucks anyways so I don't think it was that big of a loss
U should also notice that Màtyàs was disappointed just as he put the cube down, b4 the sight blocker was taken away 1:23 look carefully at his reaction
Great video, far better than any of Matthew Mayernik's.
F R' F' R U R U' R'
@@ignDart is a better alg than F R U' R' U' R U R' F'
@@benjaminschmutter fr
damn don't flame me like that 😂
@@Speedcubing-TV Your videos are great too :)
yo bro i got a suggestion
You could upload your video essays like this one as podcasts cause it could be more convenient and it doesnt require too much additional effort
Love your videos man x
I love this style of videos pls make more
2:55 + how did he react excited and acted like he got an incredible time and the cube was solved before he lifted his blindfold
Awesome video! This is like a documentary!
Great video! Just wondering, were you trying to make a video similar to the style of SunnyV2?
great video! i never knew of the first guy until now
Great vid bro!
it's also very easy to accidentally stop the timer with your solving hand while doing OH ☠️☠️
That is one of the reasons why I am hesitant at OH
great vid cube master!
Great video fam
1:34 dude that bld scramble looks wayyy too easy for today's method
1:20 I think he could have easily gotten away with his cheating if he pretended to lose grip of the cube or something so he’s forced to dnf lol
You forgot Jasper Murray from the mannequin incident in 2017
unforgettable
this
what happened?????
@@petercharbonneau yeah what did happen also I’m pretty sure at NAC I saw you not in the competition but when you were having dinner 😂
@@Technoplane lol ye i remember you
might need to update this now ;)
Interesting as usual. Thank you master.
We can all agree that you used the tornado v3 and the rs3m in the video.
How do you "manipulate" a scramble? What I understand, the cube is not given to you before examining step, and it would be pretty evident if you turn the cube before timer starts, so should be pretty impossible to affect the scramble.
Yeah, the competitions where the scrambled cubes were not held hidden from the cuber, but thats a err or the competition side, and it should not be considered cheating to take advantage of that information, unless you as a cuber purposefully trespassed into an area not intended for cubers not yet finished.
I think they mean manipulating the scramble that is chosen for the round. It should be determined randomly by computer, but if you are involved in that process you can get the computer to spit out an easy scramble or one you already know. It seems very odd that delegates are allowed to compete in the competitions they are the delegate for... Stopping that would eliminate that problem...
@@thomasdalton1508 how is it "odd" that delegates get to compete in their own competitions? there are multiple delegates that have very high world rankings like Patrick Ponce, Elijah Brown, Carter Kucala, Jay McNeill, Conan Mo, Antonio Kam and probably a lot more that I'm missing. i trust delegates to not cheat by looking at scrambles beforehand, most delegates are very responsible and trustworthy people but Sebastiano Pino Castillo is a clear exception.
@@TetraCubing How is it not odd? In what other competitions with prize money at stake are the officials not impartial and independent?
The lesson??? Don’t cheat 👍🏼
Honesty is the best policy
Kalindru: hold my beer
Do you know when I can get early access to video?
Got you with next, sorry don't post often so I forget lol
@Cube Master You can add another one to the list. WDC just posted in the WCA forums about banning someone for 2 years for cheating in blindfold events.
OH results were too close to 2H results
Rouxers: 😥
I'm waiting for a rouxer to "cheat" at 2H by doing OH solves 🤣
@@ZedaZ80 *fahmi had entered the chat*
@@ZedaZ80 antonio kam
Imagine getting banned from the WCA for cheating at clock
Is the YLM square 1 good
Now we have another one (FMC sub-20 WR)
1:24 aint nobody talking about his time
Please do more of things like this
My WCA 3BLD profile is all DNF's as well but not because I cheated.
Martin Teleforo's solve was indeed on cam, here it is: th-cam.com/video/BHtgCp4A6GU/w-d-xo.html
bruh
I used that footage because I couldn't find anything of him solving haha
really well made video!
More of these videos please😄
About the second to last situation
I was at that competition and my mom heard that dude say "They didn't catch me" or something to his friends
тогда все вскрылось часа через три после соревнований, если ты про удмуртию опен
@@Alexey-qs6nr ага
nice observations
i like your vid
what about U perm sracmble in worlds 2019
unless you slide, you wont get banned smh
I got both 3x3 wrs during lunch rounds. The pressure was immense.
are you sure your state record wasn't brummagem
@@TrojanCubingandFE2 Lol that was completely palpable
can confirm for the single, the average is most likely brummagem however.
One word: MORE!
(Videos)
Wow such a good video 🎉so so much info😊
1:25 that time is so perfect. 12345
7:20 bud hes doin speed fmc
Unfortunate that these competitors did what they have done, or seem to have done in several cases. If you cheat, it's a matter of time before you're caught. All of the respect people have for you will be gone in an instant. All of the support will be replaced with rejection the very moment people learn that you duped them and made them accomplices to what you did.
I doubt I'm speaking for myself here: I'm a nerdy person. Not like cool nerds who speedrun video games and have like millions of followers-I'm like the dorky sort of nerd who doesn't fit into normal crowds at all. If that sounds like you … when you go to a cubing event, these are your people. Your friends, even the ones you don't know very well yet. You don't need to be the best to make friends, and even if you're good enough to win some prize money, so what? Is the small amount of money you could win worth throwing away your connection to the people who are just glad to see you there? Is it worth being the center of positive attention for a few minutes only to become the center of doubt and ridicule for years after the fact?
You don't have to be the best to be respected, you just have to finish well. Play fair, and may next time be at least as good as your last one.
When is next stream
Guys just sub theres no point of not subing but subbing makes them happy
Interesting video! Eh, some people try and cheat at everything lol
Tommaso Raposio said something interesting about Ushakov's fmc wr:
R' U' F R U2 R F2 D2 R' B2 R D2 B D' B' U2 F2 D2 R' B2 D' R' F' R' U' F
R' B' D2 R' U R // blocks (actually the only convincing parts of his original explanation)
D U F' // EO (U/D) + DR
R D2 R' U2 L' // HTR
B2 D2 B2 D2 B2 // finish
if you pretend it's cyprian doing random blocks at the start, this solution is almost believable
like its crazy how far FMC has gotten. almost every single solve at the highest level (with the big exception of Cyprian) is done with thistlethwaite's algorithm of EO->DR->HTR->finish, and so its become really really difficult to discern cheating if the optimal solutions given by nissy or cube explorer is basically identical to what a human could concievably come up with. as long as the optimal solution doesnt break any of the steps along the way, one could just claim that the EO and Dr of the solution was something they happened upon. and this isnt that unbelievable, since the top people reguarly try like 30-50 EOs sometimes for a given attempt. it would be so easy to write a bunch of EOs, try and write down a bunch of DRs, and have the optimal cube explorer's solution be one of them and get an easy WR
Are these guys making any kind of real money for doing any of this? I don’t know much about speed cubing besides Felix and max but I assume even they don’t make a ton of money. These guys are really just cheating to impress other cubers? That’s pretty wild.
Yeah they cheat to impress other cubers, it is as pathetic as it sounds.
JS cuber mede n interviw in spanish with Martín telesforo
Saw it too but my spanish is very bad and translator isn't that great :( If you understood it, anything new from that video?
Matthew Mayernik 👀
yes, thanks
super nice Video crazy this facts
I wonder, why isn't blind cubing done using a visible cube but that has same color on all sides, but has invisible markings (UV or similiar) that can be read using blacklight.
(Then the examination step could be made with a blacklight that has a timer)
Another alternative would be to have magnetically attached black cover plates that covers each color, that needs to be removed using a suction cup.
That should make it practically impossible to cheat during blindfolded runs, and they could be run with eyes open.
Pretty interesting
Good video
The first guy hot 12345
interesting vid
1:26 1 23 45
i wont cheat
Cheaters SUCK!
1:25 1:23:45 lol
Cool!
Why am I not in here?
You have no wrs
New video!!!!!
EL FEO!!!! :')
:)
Epic
5th
What if you get the 1 in 43 quintillion luck and get a quick scramble that you can do sub 2, say you learned it for an April fool's joke, what then?
at least that scramble should be using a believable method instead of random moves
You forgot the current single WR
nice
Я в шоке от русских куберов.
At the moment we are taking care of all such moments in Ukrainian cubing
qq
POG vid now I’m going to ask for a pin so please pin me
what the