I got the garmin XT for my T7 about a year ago when it was on sale. It has served me well so far. Sometimes the search has made me angry a few times. Love your channel, keep up the great work Ian. Cheers from Texas.
Great video Ian! I've been a Garmin XT user for about 5 years and I've finally had it! I've been trying out DMD2 on my phone for the past few weeks and I came to the same conclusion you did, the DMD T-865X is a great unit. It's right to be under my Christmas tree this year!
First of all, I’ve got a confession, I’m not normally a fan of US TH-cam channels, I find some Americans talk very quickly and I find them difficult to follow (I’m British, so it shouldn’t be a problem) you on the other hand, are one of the best presenters I follow, everything is clear, well planned, well shot, you speak clearly and slowly and have a great presentation style. I’m a big Garmin fan, I’ve tried TomTom but it s not as good as Garmin and I’m currently looking at DMD2 but it would be nice to have spoken “turn by turn” instructions - I understand this isn’t possible at moment? So will stick to my Garmin as I can also upload mapping from OSM sources as well. Keep up the great work. 👍🍻
Mate, apparently we talk even faster here in New Zealand, to the point that it is forecast that other English speakers can't even understand us anymore. Not sure if that's true but there you go :)
DMD2 does have turn by turn instructions and spoken instructions. Plus you need an Android device to run DMD2 so that means you can even run Google Maps / Waze if you are in a big city and want navigation online with traffic information.
@@THORKRACINGI think I’ve seen an old review which mentioned no spoken instructions but that good news that it’s there now. One question, if I bought a 865x does that come with mapping or is it a subscription service?
@@MarkN67 It does include our DMD2 app fully unlocked with all services and access to full world maps (updated every two months), no need to pay anything. But again, it is an Android device, with Android 14 and Play Store, so you can install any app on it.
@@THORKRACING Hi I had the Carpe Iter tablet with the dedicated BMW controller which I ran last year but sold it as the functions on the Whiz wheel conflicted with my equipment on the Ezcan. This switched me onto the idea of the DMD2 tablet and a dedicated controller, from what I can see SilverFox controller may work. Do you know if this controller will fit the space around the R1300GS buttons? thanks Jay
Haven’t use dmd2 as long as you, but so far you are 100% spot on… Did you get their tab? Or are you using on something else? I’m debating getting the tablet, but it works great on my (so to speak) nav phone …
I just got back from a 9000-mile trip using a rugged Android tablet loaded with DMD2 and OsmAnd+. Both apps were great, but I ended up using OsmAnd+ most of the time-mainly because you can plan routes and build tracks in OsmAnd+. DMD2 is definitely the prettier of the two; OsmAnd+ is more powerful and configurable-and with a corresponding (steeper) learning curve. I was only using the touchscreen for input; if I had the handlebar controller, I’d probably live in DMD2.
This was obviously a massive undertaking, not only in experimenting with all the devices over the years, but also in putting together a succinct, well thought out video. This is a real public service on a topic that many riders have to make decisions about. I’ve used Garmin devices (handheld GPS, GPS sport watches, car GPS, and Zumo and BMW Navigators) for years and still think the Zumo XT2 or Navigator VI (with its occasional screen issues) are great for touring and for finding your way around unfamiliar cities. I still use the Navigator VI on my R1250 GSA because I prefer the integration, and I use the Zumo XT2 on my other bikes. By the way, my XT2 reliably updates itself when I arrive home and switch the bike off. I do think a dedicated off-road navigation device would be great, and this video has given me some great info. Thank you!
I very much like this channel . The guy is very pleasant to listen to . First , I`d like to debunk the " theory " , which every single youTuber propagates about using smartphones for navigation on motorcycles . And people seem to buy it . # 1. why on earth you would buy expensive , more than US$ 200.00 smart phone ? My current one ( Galaxy A15 5G ) costs $100.00. Never bought smartphone more expensive than $200.00 . Never will . #2 . Drainage of the battery ? Seriously ? You have wired connection on the bike , universal , for phone or ( sigaretter lighter ) for GPS . Whichever you prefer at a time . #3 You want expensive phone ? Buy it , by all means . Just use cheap Android phone for GPS - Google Maps . Second , on the topic : IMHO , the best are - 1. Paper (laminated or regular ) maps ! 2 wired Smartphone with Google Maps ( connected to the helmet audio set ). 3 Your brain . If you don`t drink too much beer , you will never lose the " signal " . 4. Going far - get " In Reach " for sure ! For the record , i have regular Garmin GPS and Garmin Dezl OTR GPS for trucks . I use only Dezl ,when i drive heavy trucks . I never ride the motorcycle " off road " . PS . Forgot , during heavy rain , you charge the phone from the power bank in your pocket , and hide phone in a pocket as well . You got directions through the head set . With a good power bank or two , you can circumvent the globe .
I have been adapting Garmin and some TomTom GPS systems to my bikes for 25+ years. Currently running a Zumo. I still found your video informative. Thank you! I will look into a tablet for my new to me touring bike.
Phone mount: Peak Design. Elegant, secure, built in vibration damper... best option out there. Not cheap, but worth it. No idea why those clumsy QuadLocks are so popular.
Peak Design is cheap in overall cost of ownership. Nice Warranty, metal locking mechasim paired with a mag base make it millions times better than other mouting mechansim while wearing gloves. Served me extremely well on & off road.
I concur - Quad Lock is the best mounting system I have used too. I have gone down hard off-road numerous times on my Aprilia Tuareg and have never had my phone break or come off the Quad Lock mount above the dash. I do the majority of my on-road and off-road navigation with my Samsung S-22 using Google Maps on-road and onX off-road.
A big Garmin fan here, having been using their aviation and vehicle products for a long time. Not being an off-road rider (my local dealer-owner told me to give up the idea of trail riding, that I'm too old), road use is my experience. The best thing about Garmin is its phenomenal reliability and durability. Two incidents come to mind. In the early days I had an aviation Garmin (a 290? I forget) that had become redundant as the airplanes all began to get 430s so I had it in my GPZ's tankbag to make an attempt to have a motorcycle GPS. Yeah, well, in central Wisconsin one day on US 18 I was fiddling with it and it slipped away and went tumbling along the pavement at 65mph. Incredibly, it still worked! I had to search the weeds for a while to find the battery cover and needed to make a couple of minor repairs, but for heavens' sake, it was unbelievable that it could survive that fall. I can still see that thing a good ten feet in the air in my mirrors. Fast forward to early this year, trailing my wife on her Ninja 1000 after a lunch stop, her newish Zumo XT came adrift from its mount after having been not-fully-locked back into the cradle during lunch. Once again I watched a Garmin go flying, bounding, and bouncing along asphalt until veering off into the shoulder's weeds. It took us a good 20 minutes to find it. Damage? A middling scratch on the screen and some dinged-up corners. But it still works just fine. That kind of dependability, it seems to me, is beyond priceless. You know your Garmin's going to work.
Yes… Complete agreement. Their products are excellent, they are purpose built, and they are rugged. The aviation line is stellar. The motorcycle line is solid… Granted the software is a little clunky… These are purpose built devices. Garmin’s customer service is excellent: never had a negative interaction - they always deliver.
I am a big fan of this channel and I have to say that this is a good entry review of what is out there on the market. I have been a hardcore Garmin user (now XT2) user for years. I just made the switch the last month to DMD2 and I have to say that I am beyond impressed with everything on the DMD2 system. In my opinion, its much better than the Garmin unit for my riding and there is no complexity of the Garmin supporting system (Garmin Drive and others) to get everything to work out just perfectly and it takes trial and error to get this done. Garmin has not stepped up their game to really underststand the motorcycling community where that is where DMD2 is developed from and by the rider communities. This is a great review for users to get an idea of what is on the market. Please keep up the good work. For those who can , use the links to purchase to support the site and buy some swag (tee shirt) for me if you can! Ride safe everyone.
I use an old smartphone. - Cheap. - Has a slow processor so, does not produce a lot of heat. - Has only a couple of navigation apps (Google Maps, Waze, etc). - Works without a cell phone signal (you can download the maps you need and use on Google Maps, for instance).
Ian, as always, you are so dedicated to your channel and so precise on your reviews thank you so much. I have the Garmin and I’ve used it a number of times it’s OK especially if you’re Off Road . I’ve used my iPhone a few times but yes, it does overheat and extreme weather so thank you for reviewing the others. Appreciate it. Looking forward to your next video.
Have been using a the Carpuride W702B (BMW mount) and iPhone 13. With Scenic for touring. Easy installation without wiring phone sits in my tank bad or pocket. Works very well with my Cardo On long tours like my Rockies trip, my old trusty Zumo 665 came along for the ride on my luggage but was never used
Wow, that was so thorough! My Garmin Zumo XT has been very useful on both of my trips this summer when I was out of cell range to find the nearest gas or camping and to plot a route. I also use the Quadlock with a vibration dampener and my phone continues to work perfectly. I had thought about trying a tethered screen, but I have even more doubts now. Thank you for the information.
Yet another awesome review/summary that is spot on. I run the Garmin Zumo XT and besides the toughness of the device (so the advertise at least) everything else is horrible. Starting with the not so great software, bad connectivity with other devices, and finishing with the navigation itself that for the most part takes you to some loading docks in the back of a store instead of the front of the store. I refused buying dedicated GPS devices years ago because of the software being just ridiculous (trust me nothing has changed) but riding a motorcycle, you need one. And you have to coop with their shortcomings. Phone overheats in a heartbeat, especially riding in Georgia. Phone is not even a remote option for navigation in the South. Same for colder climates. Thanks Ian, great review.
I've been running the Carpuride on my TAT trip this year, and indeed, overheating was an issue. My solution to this was to have a second cheap phone to connect to the unit when the other one was charging. It worked great and was not really a hassle on the ride itself but that also meant having to download offline maps on both phones. Note that overheating was only an issue above 90 degrees, it did not overheating constantly. Other than this, it was awesome. Large, bright screen, access to my favorite apps and music, phones out of the elements, very easy to use and snappy, and pretty cheap. I think I will look at a DMD2 tablet in the future, they are just a bit cost prohibitive and heavy, so they need additional bracing depending on the bike (I have a T7) but definitely the best.
I use Carpuride 702b after tried navigator V for years and BMW cradle. I never had overheating problem nor battery problem (when not using Apple Music or podcasts which indeed drain battery). When using only GPS, no problem because screen of the phone is off, which is a big + for tethered tablets.
Absolutely solid advice Ian. I went with a Beeline Moto a few years ago. It's super basic, but it does all that I need it to. But it is completely dependent on the phone.
In my Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - I installed Garmin XT2, which works great for me, it warns about speed cameras, shows speed, informs with accuracy to 1m about speed limit, stationary radar, stationary rotating radars, informs about places with portable radar, reduces or increases the map view at the right moment, after a longer ride it asks if I need a break and shows the nearest gas stations, restaurants, etc. In addition, it has a lot of settings. Garmin XT2 is expensive, but it has paid for itself a long time ago. It is worth buying a mount for mounting above the display, as well as a soft plastic cover with a visor.
Waze Navigation best serves inside my vehicles but my trusty Motorcycle Garmin unit (mostly because of its mounting system) has worked without issues for more than five years. That said, I agree with everything said in this review.
Quadlock + Samsung S22 + charger connected + Helmet with dual bluetooth connection (one to phone, the other one to bike), BMW rolling "thingy" to control some stuff and it really works well for me. Phone is connected to the bike and helmet at the same time so sometimes I turn on BMW navigation and leave it in my pocket. And sometimes put it on quadlock and open Google Maps or similar. (BTW, GoogleMaps can work offline, you just need to download maps first). This way I also get Google assistant to answer phones, play music or read/reply on whatsapp. Radar detector is also great, weather phone is in the pocket or on quadlock. Only downside you mentioned that I have is heat, and only in summer, during the day. Trick is to turn on battery saving mode which limits CPU thus also decreasing the heat. Using other apps while navigating is not an issue because in most apps (Google Maps too) you get a small overlay and in all apps audio still works. I'd say the only real downside is to buy stuff that works together well and time you need to configure it all.
Worth mentioning that if you use your phone and have a spill where you are injured, you will be some distance from your only way of contacting some kind of help. Happened to me in the Pyrenees but was fortunate enough to have the BMW SOS system which worked perfectly. Great review as always. There really has been an explosion of available devices. Currently on 702B on the GS bracket with MRA navigation. All good so far.
Very thorough review on a topic I have been considering for the last 6 months. I almost bought a Garmin XT 2 but decided to use Gaia with my old Google Pixel smartphone that already had the Quadlock case. My old Pixel was just collecting dust so I deleted everything from the phone that was not necessary and downloaded the Gaia app which I used on my N. Cal BDR ride a couple of weeks ago. My new Pixel phone is safe and suspended on my pocket and ready for use when I need it.
I bought a cheap rugged smartphone without any service just to use as a GPS and I run Osmand on it. Less than an hundred bucks plus quadlock mount. Does the job. I would prefer a Garmin Tread with inreach but well, that's not the same price :D
Have been using Garmin since they started making hand held units over 30 years ago. They sit on a shelf now. Currently using Android devices with OSMAND software. Old cell phones on my off-road machines and a 8" Ulefone Armor Pad for my R1200RT.
This is the way. It solves pretty much all the issues imo. When I can afford to I'll probably switch to a DMD2 phone/tablet because it'll have the advantages of being able to still use whatever app I want and having a nice charging dock. The OBD2 integration stuff is also pretty cool because I ride a 701 which has a very minimal dash. But for the time being, my $150 cheap china rugged phone does a pretty damn good job. If I need to update maps I just hotspot it off my main phone. The whole Garmin integrated inreach thing is cool, but I already have an inreach and I want it attached to me and not the motorcycle.
Super comprehensive review. Only thing missing from it is a little Beeline which is ideal for more retro bikes. I have the original on my BMW R9T which just gives an arrow for turns but the latest model gives a little map. Otherwise an old smartphone is another great option, just tether the wifi if needed. Thanks
thnak you for the wonderful video that covers and clarifies whatever questions I had. I think the DMD regardless the price is the best choice in my opinion and worth the price.
Nice video but another vote for DMD2. Gaia has been quirky lately. DMD2 is constantly updating and testing. Always answering questions. Best support around.
I recently bought a cheap $150 wireless CarPlay unit. It’s 6 inches and mounts perfect in the center of my handlebar on my dual sport with a handlebar remote as well. Has worked flawlessly so far and great value. I can control my Spotify, google maps and off-road maps all at the same time.
Just picked up the Chigee AIO-5 BMW for my 2018 K1600 GTL. Works great and so much nicer to have something in the BMW Nav space and use the wonder wheel. The only complaint is their documentation is really bad for where to connect the device to make the wonder wheel work. Took me a couple tries to get it working correctly.
I have an XT2 mounted above the TFT on my Tiger 900 RP, but i also have a Quadlock mount with vibration dampener and wireless charging head on the bars. Phone controls music, XT2 does navigation.
I’m currently using a Zumo 550 that I bought second hand. I have multiple cradles so I can use it on my car or transfer to my bikes. I do travel in areas where there is no cell phone service so I prefer the dedicated device so I don’t have to upload maps to my phone. I will also use my cell phone for guidance for getting a quick route. I will have that in my tank bag and use the Zumo as a reference. I also used a Chinese GPS “FodSpot” , it’s very economical, easy to transfer routes from my google maps which is easier to build a route than Basecamp. Thanks for your informative video.
After looking at the choices you put in this vid, I'm going with the DMD tablet... and I'm an iPhone user! What sold me on the DMD are the handlebar controller and OBD dongle. The money I've spent on other systems over the years for my Iron Butt rides is more than the DMD's cost, so I see the value in the DMD as it has everything I wanted.
Just to share an excellent android device that I use for navigation … The “Samsung s20 fe” is an excellent device with a fantastic bright high resolution screen, cost less than 200 usd on Amazon, all the necessary GPS frequencies are supported. Another benefit is that it has battery management capability so you can leave it plugged in and you don’t fry the battery. It’s waterproof. You can also still get quad lock cases for it, which makes it super easy to mount. I’m able to simply Wi-Fi connect to my Apple phone so I don’t even need to have service on the device. Then run Google maps , or Gaia GPS. For the money invested, I could not be happier.
The ultimate device is a dedicated GPS like a Garmin that can also support CarPlay/Android Auto, but I am not aware of that type of device. I use an Zumo XT2 as my dedicated GPS, but I also make sure my kit includes a way for me to mount my phone on the handlebars and a way to keep my phone charged while it is being used.
You should add that the Garming XT2 is a satellite based signal. This ensures that you will be connected even in remote areas. Something that neither the cellphone nor the others ones can do.
My Garmin XT is the last Garmin device I’ll ever buy outside of my Inreach Mini. It’s using 2005 tech at 2050 prices. Slow, doesn’t navigate, no voice control, difficult to program on the fly… the only redeeming qualities is that it’s rugged and waterproof.
Fantastic Video. I settled for Carpuride W702 for my BMW R1300 GS with BMW adapter but for my k1600 I use the provided mount. However, after watching your video, I am thinking of trying a GPS Android tablet maybe.
Good video, thanks. Personally, I use Carpe Iter with OsmAnd. I endorse it after 6 months abuse on my tour of whole Africa. Craddles and commands are very important for offroad. Many upcoming brands don't offer proper accessories and adeguate support. My advice - don't look at specs only!
Ian, another option to add : rugged tablet + controller. I bought a cheap rugged tablet and although the brightness of the screen isn't mind-blowing i must say, it does the work. I'm also using the DMD2 launcher there and controlling everything from the Carpe Iter BMW Controller. It's a complete game changer for around 350USD. Cheers ✌️
I have had both the Garmin XT2 and BMW Nav V,.. I like the Garmin better but it's also newer than the Nav V. I'd prefer to protect my $1K phone over the $400 Garmin (bought second hand). Used my phone on the road bike and it got wet, which prompted the Garmin purchase. You can have a bunch of music on the Garmin via SD and it also hooks to the phone (BT) you have protected somewhere else on you. I second your QuadLock recommendation,.. much better than anything else for a phone on a bike if you want it out of your pocket.
Thanks this video was an eye opener for options out there. I had been using a phone for navigation for about 8 years now, but I've had quite a few issues with that. I've had Garmins in the past but they all eventually quit on me and I didn't like them anyway. The DMD 5.7" android phone looks like the best option for me. Doubles as a phone with your sim card in it. I was carrying a spare phone with me anyway, with the DMD I could just carry my main phone and leave the DMD on the bike. Sweeeeet. Plus it's like half the price of a new phone.
If I had the budget I'd probably just get a DMD phone or tablet, but currently I use a cheap $150 chinese rugged phone with Gaia, Google Maps, and sometimes the DMD2 app. I think this is the cheapest option because it doesn't put my main expensive phone at risk on the handlebars or expose it to excessive sunlight or vibration. If for some reason I'm on the road and I need to update my maps or routes, I just use my phones hotspot to update it. Haven't needed to yet though. The only downside is it means using quadlock's adhesive mount instead of a real case, but this could easily be eliminated by just getting a refurbished older phone that quadlock makes a case for. But I've gone over some pretty rough terrain and haven't had an issue yet.
For phone mounts, check out the Peak Design mount. In some tests it is better than quadlock with regards to vibration isolation and they now have a QI2 version for wireless charging.
I drove about 5000 miles this summer with my iphone on a Peak Design mount on a 2017 Husky 701 before the camera broke. The vibration on a 701 is more than say a BMW GS. The PD is sleek and I liked it a lot but it couldn't cope with the vibration on a 701 over an extended trip. I rode a further 5000 miles but couldn't take any more pictures.
@@austin97128 Bummer, that's a bit surprising but sounds like there is no perfect solution out there. When I look for reviews, just about all say PD is better for vibration dampening. I can't find the more scientific review I remembered, unfortunately.
Iphone 15 is rated IP 68 which means it can be permanently submerged in water up to 13 ft deep, and is completely dust proof. now the vibration dampening of current mounts and apple protection seems to make using your phone as the best solution. Also you can download the maps you need first as you mentioned. I think you should have mentioned the “IP” rating system and the ratings of each device. Most people don’t realize that a modern cellphone is waterproof.
I use a Ram Mounts quick grip and the anti vibration setup. Super efficiente, the phone (s23 ultra) doesn't vibrate at all ( ktm 1290 SAS). And because of the ram mounts system you can put it like you want!
Ian, first let me say thank you for your product review. I work for a motorcycle rental company, and am in charge of our offroad tours, mainly side by sides but now I’ve been tasked with adding ADV bikes to our line up. So I am on the hunt for a GPS system that will withstand the harsh desert environment, that allows me to swap between my side by side and the adv bike I will be riding, that has a large enough screen where I can see more items like where the other riders and drivers are, and lastly has the ability to track other group riders. I would have love to see more thoughts on the Garmin xt2 or tread. I’ve read that as long as the other riders have the tread app installed on their phone, the Garmin XT2 will identify those that have been invited to the ride. Also there’s a group ride option that has a microphone (like a walkie talkie). Does the DMD tablet, and the Nav software allow for tracking of other riders? Any and all feedback is welcomed and I appreciate all your help and those of the other riders out there.
I have the Chigee AIO-5 Play, and want to correct you here, this unit actually does have a built-in GPS receiver, which is also passed on to your phone over android auto/carplay. The chigee can show speed without being tethered to a phone using it's own GPS. I also got the optional tire-pressure/temperature sensors, which are very nice. Phone-battery-wise, I have no experience with Android Auto, but my iPhone 15 pro max dropped 20% in battery when driving for 4 hours, which is pretty much the exact same experience as using CarPlay in my car wirelessly.
@@dariangheorghe4304 Oh most likely yes, I was just addressing an error in the video, I suspect most carplay/android auto modules to have a GPS receiver that is passed through.
I can't speak to reliability because I just got it, but the Aoocci C6 Pro I installed has front and rear cameras, GPS, TPS, and a lot cheaper than the others. Looks great so far.
I've been using a Samsung active 3 tablet. its been great over the years. I use DMD2 on it. The new Samsung active 5 Tablet would be a nice upgrade. They are weatherproof and hold up well on the bike. Gives all the options to run any software. Still not cheep.
Hi Thanks for the information. It was a good and very extensive summary. I have some additions from my own experience. Negative for GSM; because a stone hit the camera lens, the camera was defective. Expensive repair. Also when it rains (wet screen) you can no longer operate a smartphone. I have very good experiance with de Garmins (595 , XT and XT2). Designed for making your own tracks and routes. You mentioned the software and map updates as downsite , for me its a positive. Lifetime free updates. If your motorcycle is parked in your garage with wifi it wil automatically checks for updates. Also you can use the screen in the rain. In europe you can have a lot of rainy days, so thats big plus. You need the Garmin Tread app for communication between your cellphone and the XT2. For incoming calls etc , but also traffic and weather information. The downsite of the Tread app is that i experianced difficult upload functionality for the routes and tracks. This software works like a beta function. The oldfasion way with Basecamp and a PC connection was much better
SUPER nice video, thanks. I want to get the CarPuride, the Chigee AIO5 is too expensive... what is sure is that I do not want to put my Iphone 15 PRO Max in the handle bar hehe. Planing to buy a Suzuki VStrom 650 XT 2025, really love this one.
Great video ! 👍🏽 I've not scrolled through all of the comments to see if it's already been mentioned, but I'd just like to make one comment about using your smartphone as your navigation device. If it's mounted on your bike, and you become separated from your bike in a spill and can't get to it, then your probable only means of calling for assistance isn't available to you ! Just a thought.
Ive been waiting on this video for a while. Well done. Typically i use the zumoXT, bc i dislike having a phone on the bars. As a backpacking guide, Gaia Premium has 'saved the day' several times when we have to reroute due to things like aggressive bears, fire closures ect ect. Gaia Premium is great for adv riding too the abilityto makes routes while offline is invaluable.
Good review, I have always been a Garmin fan, that said a few months ago I started using Apple car play on my new jeep wrangler and Onx off-road app. I ended taking off the Garmin thread gps. I have a Garmin zumo xt on my Tiger will probably stay with that for a while. Looking forward to review of the cfmoto 450. May sale the Tiger looking for weight reduction (just turned 81). New rumor, Aprilla Tuareg 450. Shit.
Some folks may have benefited from the mention of BMW dedicated GPS units such as the Navigator V and VI as well as the more recent BMW Connected Ride Navigator which are closely related to the Garmin unit.
I used a Garmin tread on Giant Loop rally and on California north BDR worked well. Maps are easier to load now. And software updates seem to be automatic any time you are at your wifi and plugged in
One very important point you missed, maps are good but satellite images are even better, these show not only where you are also tracks that are not on maps, I use Altogis (available for many countries around the world), this is FREE for the basic version which is all I need, works on any Android device, the is also a pro version for a very small fee
Great video Ian, I am exactly on this dilema, this helped! Personally I still prefer my Zumo XT for offroad riding, but prefer other options for road riding.
I just got back from a coast to coast lap (about 9000 miles) of the continental US. I used a rugged Android tablet as a standalone GPS, with DMD2 and OsmAnd+ for offline navigation and route planning. I mainly used OsmAnd+, mostly because it did everything I needed it to do without swapping apps or gpx files. If I had the handlebar button controller, it’d be a different story.
@@kee7678 it’s an 8-inch Oukitel RT3, on a RAM tablet mount bolted to an SW-Motech GPS mount (already on the bike). The RT3 has its own GPS receiver, and can be used without a sim chip. You have to download/update the vector maps occasionally; I just tethered it to my iPhone when I needed to, but otherwise it worked fine as a standalone GPS unit. I charged it via USB-C cable to the 12-v adaptor. During bad weather you can unplug it and seal it up as needed; lower ambient light = less screen backlight needed = lower battery drain.
Have a look at the Beeline GPS. It only works with your phone, but uses its internal sensors for navigation. This conserves your phone's battery power and makes long rides over 300km possible. While the device itself is not to everybody's taste, it is a nice alternative to big clunky looking displays for classic bikes.
I’ve been travelling Australia for years with a quad lock mount with induction charging and damper, IPhone 8 with Gaia full country download ed, and garmin app, and motiongps app my new phone is in my pocket which has SoS built in nowadays
Getting GPX onto a Garmin XT is 'not' difficult. Select the GPX file on an iPhone and then Send, choose the (Garmin) Drive app from the list of compatible apps shown. And that's it 'done'. I do not recommend the XT2 over the XT because IMPO it is really unreliable handling GPX files irrelevant of base map or GPX export version, whereas the XT is very reliable in this respect. For those who just want to get from A-to-B the fastest, a phone running Waze is all you need. After trying at least a dozen phone navigation apps, if you want complex routes, then planning in MyRoute-app online, and using an XT is the best way to go. If you're on a budget, buy a Beeline Moto which is nothing fancy but is reliable and accurate.
Thank you Ian for another great review. I’m still working on what I will buy. I have a Zumo XT on my BMW GSA, as does my wife. But not quite happy with it. So on my travel bike, Vstom 800DE, I have a Carpe-Iter tablet and navigate mainly with MyRoute App. And I also have a Garmin Montana 700i as backup. But I also have an Inreach Mini. Now putting the Carpe-Iter on my BMW is more expensive than getting a Chigee BMW version. But I’m still not sure if I want…
Replaced the BMW Nav V on my GS and swore off the built in nav on my K1600 GT, use garmin zumo xt2 on both bikes. I never worry about lack of signal when traveling offroad.
Good thing about a Garmin Zumo XT... it transfers routes instantly between Zumo devices. Like big ba-da boom. Great if you ride with some usual folks. Then we have a bad thing. Wiring. Need to buy a Garmin ($45 or so) cable for each motorcycle. Garmin won't run on 12V... rely on a conditioner/voltage limiter built into each supply cabling. (They got ya !) If you need more detailed maps... you can load the Garmin higher-res maps on it. Pretty simple to use Google Maps to load tracks/routes on it.
I use Scenic on my iPhone, and like you the quad lock set up, but with the wireless charger, so no heat problem , because it charges slowly. And soon Scenic will be on CarPlay again. On my Africa Twin with wireless CarPlay it works perfect.
@@903lew Menzo Dongle - 2023 Model, but I think it is no more available. In my car I use a cheaper one, but not as reliable as the Menzo, so don’t take the cheapest!
@@hansgroothuis8480 When I find the money for an AT (it’s somewhere between the cushions on the sofa, I swear) I’ll keep it in mind. Wireless CarPlay really is a game changer.
Caveat: I’m an on-road kinda guy. Maybe gravel roads but always on-road so far. Spent a week off the big roads in the Baltic States this summer and a smart phone with a Mous case worked just fine. Download the maps and off you go. Less things to bring, less things to go wrong IMO. If I’d upgrade it would be to a bike that can do CarPlay on the main display (hello Africa Twin of my future!). Really not keen on buying and attaching another screen on my bike so until I find the money for an AT hidden in the sofa it’ll be the iPhone and the Mous case. Why Mous? Well it was on sale and now it’s paid for. Works well enough.
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I am a hardcore Garmin user. Interestingly, i wanted to buy Garmin products in Thailand, but at no avail. All the Thais use their smartphones!
I got the garmin XT for my T7 about a year ago when it was on sale. It has served me well so far. Sometimes the search has made me angry a few times. Love your channel, keep up the great work Ian. Cheers from Texas.
Wow! Man, you sure put a lot of work into this amazing review. Kudos, Ian. That was very professionally presented.
Thanks a ton!
Great video Ian! I've been a Garmin XT user for about 5 years and I've finally had it! I've been trying out DMD2 on my phone for the past few weeks and I came to the same conclusion you did, the DMD T-865X is a great unit. It's right to be under my Christmas tree this year!
See if you can find an XT2 to play with or find someone who will let you borrow one; you might be surprised!
First of all, I’ve got a confession, I’m not normally a fan of US TH-cam channels, I find some Americans talk very quickly and I find them difficult to follow (I’m British, so it shouldn’t be a problem) you on the other hand, are one of the best presenters I follow, everything is clear, well planned, well shot, you speak clearly and slowly and have a great presentation style.
I’m a big Garmin fan, I’ve tried TomTom but it s not as good as Garmin and I’m currently looking at DMD2 but it would be nice to have spoken “turn by turn” instructions - I understand this isn’t possible at moment? So will stick to my Garmin as I can also upload mapping from OSM sources as well.
Keep up the great work. 👍🍻
Mate, apparently we talk even faster here in New Zealand, to the point that it is forecast that other English speakers can't even understand us anymore. Not sure if that's true but there you go :)
DMD2 does have turn by turn instructions and spoken instructions. Plus you need an Android device to run DMD2 so that means you can even run Google Maps / Waze if you are in a big city and want navigation online with traffic information.
@@THORKRACINGI think I’ve seen an old review which mentioned no spoken instructions but that good news that it’s there now.
One question, if I bought a 865x does that come with mapping or is it a subscription service?
@@MarkN67 It does include our DMD2 app fully unlocked with all services and access to full world maps (updated every two months), no need to pay anything. But again, it is an Android device, with Android 14 and Play Store, so you can install any app on it.
@@THORKRACING Hi I had the Carpe Iter tablet with the dedicated BMW controller which I ran last year but sold it as the functions on the Whiz wheel conflicted with my equipment on the Ezcan. This switched me onto the idea of the DMD2 tablet and a dedicated controller, from what I can see SilverFox controller may work. Do you know if this controller will fit the space around the R1300GS buttons? thanks Jay
Been using DMD and DMD2 since 2019. Cannot find anything better, and it's constantly being improved and updated.
Haven’t use dmd2 as long as you, but so far you are 100% spot on…
Did you get their tab? Or are you using on something else?
I’m debating getting the tablet, but it works great on my (so to speak) nav phone …
thanks for sharing. DMD is amazing.
@@timlubbers2884 I have the Carpe Iter tab from before DMD2 started offering their own stuff. Still works great.
I just got back from a 9000-mile trip using a rugged Android tablet loaded with DMD2 and OsmAnd+. Both apps were great, but I ended up using OsmAnd+ most of the time-mainly because you can plan routes and build tracks in OsmAnd+. DMD2 is definitely the prettier of the two; OsmAnd+ is more powerful and configurable-and with a corresponding (steeper) learning curve.
I was only using the touchscreen for input; if I had the handlebar controller, I’d probably live in DMD2.
It has a few problems but it is the best out there.
The new DMD is absolute gold. I use it for gpx navigation and also for roadbook races.
DMD2 here as well! Has media player, TMPS, OBD2 for engine info and much more.
Used Garmin for a time and switched to DMD2 T665 and man I will never go back. Awesome software and extremely easy to use.
This was obviously a massive undertaking, not only in experimenting with all the devices over the years, but also in putting together a succinct, well thought out video. This is a real public service on a topic that many riders have to make decisions about. I’ve used Garmin devices (handheld GPS, GPS sport watches, car GPS, and Zumo and BMW Navigators) for years and still think the Zumo XT2 or Navigator VI (with its occasional screen issues) are great for touring and for finding your way around unfamiliar cities. I still use the Navigator VI on my R1250 GSA because I prefer the integration, and I use the Zumo XT2 on my other bikes. By the way, my XT2 reliably updates itself when I arrive home and switch the bike off.
I do think a dedicated off-road navigation device would be great, and this video has given me some great info. Thank you!
thank you
Thanks, I’ve been changing to DMD2 on a “dumb” phone with Gaia and OnX backup. Been impressed thus far
DMD for the win. The community and especially the developers around this solution are just amazing. New features nearly every week
I very much like this channel . The guy is very pleasant to listen to .
First , I`d like to debunk the " theory " , which every single youTuber propagates about using smartphones for navigation on motorcycles . And people seem to buy it .
# 1. why on earth you would buy expensive , more than US$ 200.00 smart phone ? My current one ( Galaxy A15 5G ) costs $100.00. Never bought smartphone more expensive than $200.00 . Never will .
#2 . Drainage of the battery ? Seriously ? You have wired connection on the bike , universal , for phone or ( sigaretter lighter ) for GPS . Whichever you prefer at a time .
#3 You want expensive phone ? Buy it , by all means . Just use cheap Android phone for GPS - Google Maps .
Second , on the topic : IMHO , the best are -
1. Paper (laminated or regular ) maps !
2 wired Smartphone with Google Maps ( connected to the helmet audio set ).
3 Your brain . If you don`t drink too much beer , you will never lose the " signal " .
4. Going far - get " In Reach " for sure !
For the record , i have regular Garmin GPS and Garmin Dezl OTR GPS for trucks . I use only Dezl ,when i drive heavy trucks . I never ride the motorcycle " off road " .
PS .
Forgot , during heavy rain , you charge the phone from the power bank in your pocket , and hide phone in a pocket as well . You got directions through the head set . With a good power bank or two , you can circumvent the globe .
I have been adapting Garmin and some TomTom GPS systems to my bikes for 25+ years. Currently running a Zumo. I still found your video informative. Thank you! I will look into a tablet for my new to me touring bike.
Phone mount: Peak Design. Elegant, secure, built in vibration damper... best option out there. Not cheap, but worth it. No idea why those clumsy QuadLocks are so popular.
Totally agree. But they will never get broad range support until they drop their pricing about 50%. Their mounts cost as much as a Carpuride tablet. 😮
Peak Design is cheap in overall cost of ownership. Nice Warranty, metal locking mechasim paired with a mag base make it millions times better than other mouting mechansim while wearing gloves. Served me extremely well on & off road.
Agreed. Much better than Quadlock
I concur - Quad Lock is the best mounting system I have used too. I have gone down hard off-road numerous times on my Aprilia Tuareg and have never had my phone break or come off the Quad Lock mount above the dash. I do the majority of my on-road and off-road navigation with my Samsung S-22 using Google Maps on-road and onX off-road.
A big Garmin fan here, having been using their aviation and vehicle products for a long time.
Not being an off-road rider (my local dealer-owner told me to give up the idea of trail riding, that I'm too old), road use is my experience.
The best thing about Garmin is its phenomenal reliability and durability. Two incidents come to mind.
In the early days I had an aviation Garmin (a 290? I forget) that had become redundant as the airplanes all began to get 430s so I had it in my GPZ's tankbag to make an attempt to have a motorcycle GPS. Yeah, well, in central Wisconsin one day on US 18 I was fiddling with it and it slipped away and went tumbling along the pavement at 65mph.
Incredibly, it still worked! I had to search the weeds for a while to find the battery cover and needed to make a couple of minor repairs, but for heavens' sake, it was unbelievable that it could survive that fall. I can still see that thing a good ten feet in the air in my mirrors.
Fast forward to early this year, trailing my wife on her Ninja 1000 after a lunch stop, her newish Zumo XT came adrift from its mount after having been not-fully-locked back into the cradle during lunch.
Once again I watched a Garmin go flying, bounding, and bouncing along asphalt until veering off into the shoulder's weeds. It took us a good 20 minutes to find it.
Damage? A middling scratch on the screen and some dinged-up corners. But it still works just fine.
That kind of dependability, it seems to me, is beyond priceless. You know your Garmin's going to work.
Yes… Complete agreement. Their products are excellent, they are purpose built, and they are rugged. The aviation line is stellar. The motorcycle line is solid… Granted the software is a little clunky… These are purpose built devices. Garmin’s customer service is excellent: never had a negative interaction - they always deliver.
I am a big fan of this channel and I have to say that this is a good entry review of what is out there on the market. I have been a hardcore Garmin user (now XT2) user for years. I just made the switch the last month to DMD2 and I have to say that I am beyond impressed with everything on the DMD2 system. In my opinion, its much better than the Garmin unit for my riding and there is no complexity of the Garmin supporting system (Garmin Drive and others) to get everything to work out just perfectly and it takes trial and error to get this done. Garmin has not stepped up their game to really underststand the motorcycling community where that is where DMD2 is developed from and by the rider communities. This is a great review for users to get an idea of what is on the market. Please keep up the good work. For those who can , use the links to purchase to support the site and buy some swag (tee shirt) for me if you can! Ride safe everyone.
I use an old smartphone.
- Cheap.
- Has a slow processor so, does not produce a lot of heat.
- Has only a couple of navigation apps (Google Maps, Waze, etc).
- Works without a cell phone signal (you can download the maps you need and use on Google Maps, for instance).
Ian, as always, you are so dedicated to your channel and so precise on your reviews thank you so much.
I have the Garmin and I’ve used it a number of times it’s OK especially if you’re Off Road . I’ve used my iPhone a few times but yes, it does overheat and extreme weather so thank you for reviewing the others. Appreciate it. Looking forward to your next video.
Have been using a the Carpuride W702B (BMW mount) and iPhone 13. With Scenic for touring.
Easy installation without wiring phone sits in my tank bad or pocket. Works very well with my Cardo
On long tours like my Rockies trip, my old trusty Zumo 665 came along for the ride on my luggage but was never used
Wow, that was so thorough! My Garmin Zumo XT has been very useful on both of my trips this summer when I was out of cell range to find the nearest gas or camping and to plot a route. I also use the Quadlock with a vibration dampener and my phone continues to work perfectly. I had thought about trying a tethered screen, but I have even more doubts now. Thank you for the information.
Glad it was helpful!
Yet another awesome review/summary that is spot on. I run the Garmin Zumo XT and besides the toughness of the device (so the advertise at least) everything else is horrible. Starting with the not so great software, bad connectivity with other devices, and finishing with the navigation itself that for the most part takes you to some loading docks in the back of a store instead of the front of the store. I refused buying dedicated GPS devices years ago because of the software being just ridiculous (trust me nothing has changed) but riding a motorcycle, you need one. And you have to coop with their shortcomings. Phone overheats in a heartbeat, especially riding in Georgia. Phone is not even a remote option for navigation in the South. Same for colder climates. Thanks Ian, great review.
I've been running the Carpuride on my TAT trip this year, and indeed, overheating was an issue. My solution to this was to have a second cheap phone to connect to the unit when the other one was charging. It worked great and was not really a hassle on the ride itself but that also meant having to download offline maps on both phones. Note that overheating was only an issue above 90 degrees, it did not overheating constantly.
Other than this, it was awesome. Large, bright screen, access to my favorite apps and music, phones out of the elements, very easy to use and snappy, and pretty cheap.
I think I will look at a DMD2 tablet in the future, they are just a bit cost prohibitive and heavy, so they need additional bracing depending on the bike (I have a T7) but definitely the best.
I use Carpuride 702b after tried navigator V for years and BMW cradle. I never had overheating problem nor battery problem (when not using Apple Music or podcasts which indeed drain battery). When using only GPS, no problem because screen of the phone is off, which is a big + for tethered tablets.
Absolutely solid advice Ian.
I went with a Beeline Moto a few years ago. It's super basic, but it does all that I need it to.
But it is completely dependent on the phone.
In my Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - I installed Garmin XT2, which works great for me, it warns about speed cameras, shows speed, informs with accuracy to 1m about speed limit, stationary radar, stationary rotating radars, informs about places with portable radar, reduces or increases the map view at the right moment, after a longer ride it asks if I need a break and shows the nearest gas stations, restaurants, etc. In addition, it has a lot of settings. Garmin XT2 is expensive, but it has paid for itself a long time ago. It is worth buying a mount for mounting above the display, as well as a soft plastic cover with a visor.
Waze Navigation best serves inside my vehicles but my trusty Motorcycle Garmin unit (mostly because of its mounting system) has worked without issues for more than five years. That said, I agree with everything said in this review.
You've done a lot of homework for this review. Good job mate. Thank you.
Quadlock + Samsung S22 + charger connected + Helmet with dual bluetooth connection (one to phone, the other one to bike), BMW rolling "thingy" to control some stuff and it really works well for me. Phone is connected to the bike and helmet at the same time so sometimes I turn on BMW navigation and leave it in my pocket. And sometimes put it on quadlock and open Google Maps or similar. (BTW, GoogleMaps can work offline, you just need to download maps first). This way I also get Google assistant to answer phones, play music or read/reply on whatsapp. Radar detector is also great, weather phone is in the pocket or on quadlock. Only downside you mentioned that I have is heat, and only in summer, during the day. Trick is to turn on battery saving mode which limits CPU thus also decreasing the heat. Using other apps while navigating is not an issue because in most apps (Google Maps too) you get a small overlay and in all apps audio still works. I'd say the only real downside is to buy stuff that works together well and time you need to configure it all.
Worth mentioning that if you use your phone and have a spill where you are injured, you will be some distance from your only way of contacting some kind of help. Happened to me in the Pyrenees but was fortunate enough to have the BMW SOS system which worked perfectly. Great review as always. There really has been an explosion of available devices. Currently on 702B on the GS bracket with MRA navigation. All good so far.
Very thorough review on a topic I have been considering for the last 6 months. I almost bought a Garmin XT 2 but decided to use Gaia with my old Google Pixel smartphone that already had the Quadlock case. My old Pixel was just collecting dust so I deleted everything from the phone that was not necessary and downloaded the Gaia app which I used on my N. Cal BDR ride a couple of weeks ago. My new Pixel phone is safe and suspended on my pocket and ready for use when I need it.
Glad it was helpful!
My older pixel 6 overheats and turns off if I charge it while touring on my bike. You don't find that an issue?
I bought a cheap rugged smartphone without any service just to use as a GPS and I run Osmand on it. Less than an hundred bucks plus quadlock mount. Does the job. I would prefer a Garmin Tread with inreach but well, that's not the same price :D
Did the same, got a buddies hand me down phone :)
Have been using Garmin since they started making hand held units over 30 years ago. They sit on a shelf now. Currently using Android devices with OSMAND software. Old cell phones on my off-road machines and a 8" Ulefone Armor Pad for my R1200RT.
This is the way. It solves pretty much all the issues imo. When I can afford to I'll probably switch to a DMD2 phone/tablet because it'll have the advantages of being able to still use whatever app I want and having a nice charging dock. The OBD2 integration stuff is also pretty cool because I ride a 701 which has a very minimal dash. But for the time being, my $150 cheap china rugged phone does a pretty damn good job. If I need to update maps I just hotspot it off my main phone. The whole Garmin integrated inreach thing is cool, but I already have an inreach and I want it attached to me and not the motorcycle.
I agree with that choice and looking for a cheap rugged tablet for larger screen could be a good choice
@@GRhightech not as much choice unfortunately but you are right!
Great review as always Ian. To me the Garmin XT is the way to go.
Super comprehensive review. Only thing missing from it is a little Beeline which is ideal for more retro bikes. I have the original on my BMW R9T which just gives an arrow for turns but the latest model gives a little map. Otherwise an old smartphone is another great option, just tether the wifi if needed. Thanks
thnak you for the wonderful video that covers and clarifies whatever questions I had. I think the DMD regardless the price is the best choice in my opinion and worth the price.
Nice video but another vote for DMD2. Gaia has been quirky lately. DMD2 is constantly updating and testing. Always answering questions. Best support around.
I recently bought a cheap $150 wireless CarPlay unit. It’s 6 inches and mounts perfect in the center of my handlebar on my dual sport with a handlebar remote as well. Has worked flawlessly so far and great value. I can control my Spotify, google maps and off-road maps all at the same time.
Just picked up the Chigee AIO-5 BMW for my 2018 K1600 GTL. Works great and so much nicer to have something in the BMW Nav space and use the wonder wheel. The only complaint is their documentation is really bad for where to connect the device to make the wonder wheel work. Took me a couple tries to get it working correctly.
I have an XT2 mounted above the TFT on my Tiger 900 RP, but i also have a Quadlock mount with vibration dampener and wireless charging head on the bars. Phone controls music, XT2 does navigation.
I’m currently using a Zumo 550 that I bought second hand. I have multiple cradles so I can use it on my car or transfer to my bikes. I do travel in areas where there is no cell phone service so I prefer the dedicated device so I don’t have to upload maps to my phone.
I will also use my cell phone for guidance for getting a quick route. I will have that in my tank bag and use the Zumo as a reference.
I also used a Chinese GPS “FodSpot” , it’s very economical, easy to transfer routes from my google maps which is easier to build a route than Basecamp.
Thanks for your informative video.
After looking at the choices you put in this vid, I'm going with the DMD tablet... and I'm an iPhone user! What sold me on the DMD are the handlebar controller and OBD dongle. The money I've spent on other systems over the years for my Iron Butt rides is more than the DMD's cost, so I see the value in the DMD as it has everything I wanted.
Thanks. You introduced products to me that I was not aware of.
Just to share an excellent android device that I use for navigation … The “Samsung s20 fe” is an excellent device with a fantastic bright high resolution screen, cost less than 200 usd on Amazon, all the necessary GPS frequencies are supported. Another benefit is that it has battery management capability so you can leave it plugged in and you don’t fry the battery. It’s waterproof. You can also still get quad lock cases for it, which makes it super easy to mount. I’m able to simply Wi-Fi connect to my Apple phone so I don’t even need to have service on the device. Then run Google maps , or Gaia GPS. For the money invested, I could not be happier.
The ultimate device is a dedicated GPS like a Garmin that can also support CarPlay/Android Auto, but I am not aware of that type of device. I use an Zumo XT2 as my dedicated GPS, but I also make sure my kit includes a way for me to mount my phone on the handlebars and a way to keep my phone charged while it is being used.
You should add that the Garming XT2 is a satellite based signal. This ensures that you will be connected even in remote areas. Something that neither the cellphone nor the others ones can do.
Zumo XT all the way. I love mine and transfer from bike to bike. 👍
My Garmin XT is the last Garmin device I’ll ever buy outside of my Inreach Mini. It’s using 2005 tech at 2050 prices. Slow, doesn’t navigate, no voice control, difficult to program on the fly… the only redeeming qualities is that it’s rugged and waterproof.
Fantastic Video. I settled for Carpuride W702 for my BMW R1300 GS with BMW adapter but for my k1600 I use the provided mount. However, after watching your video, I am thinking of trying a GPS Android tablet maybe.
One of the best reviews. Honest, pros-cons, that's it. Great video man!
Thanks for watching
Good video, thanks. Personally, I use Carpe Iter with OsmAnd. I endorse it after 6 months abuse on my tour of whole Africa. Craddles and commands are very important for offroad. Many upcoming brands don't offer proper accessories and adeguate support. My advice - don't look at specs only!
thank you for sharing. OsmAnd is a great app
Ian, another option to add : rugged tablet + controller.
I bought a cheap rugged tablet and although the brightness of the screen isn't mind-blowing i must say, it does the work. I'm also using the DMD2 launcher there and controlling everything from the Carpe Iter BMW Controller.
It's a complete game changer for around 350USD.
Cheers ✌️
I have had both the Garmin XT2 and BMW Nav V,.. I like the Garmin better but it's also newer than the Nav V. I'd prefer to protect my $1K phone over the $400 Garmin (bought second hand). Used my phone on the road bike and it got wet, which prompted the Garmin purchase. You can have a bunch of music on the Garmin via SD and it also hooks to the phone (BT) you have protected somewhere else on you. I second your QuadLock recommendation,.. much better than anything else for a phone on a bike if you want it out of your pocket.
Thanks this video was an eye opener for options out there. I had been using a phone for navigation for about 8 years now, but I've had quite a few issues with that. I've had Garmins in the past but they all eventually quit on me and I didn't like them anyway.
The DMD 5.7" android phone looks like the best option for me. Doubles as a phone with your sim card in it. I was carrying a spare phone with me anyway, with the DMD I could just carry my main phone and leave the DMD on the bike. Sweeeeet. Plus it's like half the price of a new phone.
Ian, thank you for another interesting and useful video.
Glad you enjoyed it
If I had the budget I'd probably just get a DMD phone or tablet, but currently I use a cheap $150 chinese rugged phone with Gaia, Google Maps, and sometimes the DMD2 app. I think this is the cheapest option because it doesn't put my main expensive phone at risk on the handlebars or expose it to excessive sunlight or vibration. If for some reason I'm on the road and I need to update my maps or routes, I just use my phones hotspot to update it. Haven't needed to yet though. The only downside is it means using quadlock's adhesive mount instead of a real case, but this could easily be eliminated by just getting a refurbished older phone that quadlock makes a case for. But I've gone over some pretty rough terrain and haven't had an issue yet.
Nice shirt and shirt color today, looking good. Thanks for the video!
For phone mounts, check out the Peak Design mount. In some tests it is better than quadlock with regards to vibration isolation and they now have a QI2 version for wireless charging.
I drove about 5000 miles this summer with my iphone on a Peak Design mount on a 2017 Husky 701 before the camera broke. The vibration on a 701 is more than say a BMW GS. The PD is sleek and I liked it a lot but it couldn't cope with the vibration on a 701 over an extended trip. I rode a further 5000 miles but couldn't take any more pictures.
@@austin97128 Bummer, that's a bit surprising but sounds like there is no perfect solution out there. When I look for reviews, just about all say PD is better for vibration dampening. I can't find the more scientific review I remembered, unfortunately.
My iPhone has been on my Tigers PD mount for over 40,000 miles. No issues at all and I do a lot of rough off-road riding.
Amazing video sir, thank you. This was just what I needed as I begin my search for a GPS system that will work for me.
Iphone 15 is rated IP 68 which means it can be permanently submerged in water up to 13 ft deep, and is completely dust proof. now the vibration dampening of current mounts and apple protection seems to make using your phone as the best solution. Also you can download the maps you need first as you mentioned. I think you should have mentioned the “IP” rating system and the ratings of each device. Most people don’t realize that a modern cellphone is waterproof.
Awesome video Ian!
Making it easy for us average Joe's ✌️
Thanks Jeff!
Two things are required out of a GPS. Reliability and ease of use. It’s surprising in this day and age that so few get it right
I use a Ram Mounts quick grip and the anti vibration setup. Super efficiente, the phone (s23 ultra) doesn't vibrate at all ( ktm 1290 SAS). And because of the ram mounts system you can put it like you want!
I use the Bee Line Moto 2 navigation "tethered screen of 1.4 inches" that works really well for me...but I don't currently do off-road riding.
Now you do this after I procured a Garmin Zumo XT last week! 🙈
Ian, first let me say thank you for your product review. I work for a motorcycle rental company, and am in charge of our offroad tours, mainly side by sides but now I’ve been tasked with adding ADV bikes to our line up. So I am on the hunt for a GPS system that will withstand the harsh desert environment, that allows me to swap between my side by side and the adv bike I will be riding, that has a large enough screen where I can see more items like where the other riders and drivers are, and lastly has the ability to track other group riders.
I would have love to see more thoughts on the Garmin xt2 or tread. I’ve read that as long as the other riders have the tread app installed on their phone, the Garmin XT2 will identify those that have been invited to the ride. Also there’s a group ride option that has a microphone (like a walkie talkie).
Does the DMD tablet, and the Nav software allow for tracking of other riders?
Any and all feedback is welcomed and I appreciate all your help and those of the other riders out there.
Couple of corrections on the xt2. It does updates over the air and you are not limited to garmin maps.
Zumo xt2 with the tread app. Atlanta ga and the N Ga mtns. Paved and easy dirt on a super tenere
I have the Chigee AIO-5 Play, and want to correct you here, this unit actually does have a built-in GPS receiver, which is also passed on to your phone over android auto/carplay. The chigee can show speed without being tethered to a phone using it's own GPS. I also got the optional tire-pressure/temperature sensors, which are very nice. Phone-battery-wise, I have no experience with Android Auto, but my iPhone 15 pro max dropped 20% in battery when driving for 4 hours, which is pretty much the exact same experience as using CarPlay in my car wirelessly.
Now, there are more other competitors' models with such features. AOOCCI C5 and C6 also have the GPS module inbedded on their back.
@@dariangheorghe4304 Oh most likely yes, I was just addressing an error in the video, I suspect most carplay/android auto modules to have a GPS receiver that is passed through.
Damn Ian….pushing 300k subs 👀 Not surprise I enjoy your videos very much!
I can't speak to reliability because I just got it, but the Aoocci C6 Pro I installed has front and rear cameras, GPS, TPS, and a lot cheaper than the others. Looks great so far.
I've been using a Samsung active 3 tablet. its been great over the years. I use DMD2 on it. The new Samsung active 5 Tablet would be a nice upgrade. They are weatherproof and hold up well on the bike. Gives all the options to run any software. Still not cheep.
Hi Thanks for the information. It was a good and very extensive summary.
I have some additions from my own experience.
Negative for GSM; because a stone hit the camera lens, the camera was defective. Expensive repair. Also when it rains (wet screen) you can no longer operate a smartphone.
I have very good experiance with de Garmins (595 , XT and XT2). Designed for making your own tracks and routes. You mentioned the software and map updates as downsite , for me its a positive. Lifetime free updates. If your motorcycle is parked in your garage with wifi it wil automatically checks for updates.
Also you can use the screen in the rain. In europe you can have a lot of rainy days, so thats big plus.
You need the Garmin Tread app for communication between your cellphone and the XT2. For incoming calls etc , but also traffic and weather information.
The downsite of the Tread app is that i experianced difficult upload functionality for the routes and tracks. This software works like a beta function. The oldfasion way with Basecamp and a PC connection was much better
I hope you know how important this video will be for many people!
SUPER nice video, thanks. I want to get the CarPuride, the Chigee AIO5 is too expensive... what is sure is that I do not want to put my Iphone 15 PRO Max in the handle bar hehe. Planing to buy a Suzuki VStrom 650 XT 2025, really love this one.
Great video ! 👍🏽 I've not scrolled through all of the comments to see if it's already been mentioned, but I'd just like to make one comment about using your smartphone as your navigation device. If it's mounted on your bike, and you become separated from your bike in a spill and can't get to it, then your probable only means of calling for assistance isn't available to you ! Just a thought.
Ive been waiting on this video for a while. Well done.
Typically i use the zumoXT, bc i dislike having a phone on the bars.
As a backpacking guide, Gaia Premium has 'saved the day' several times when we have to reroute due to things like aggressive bears, fire closures ect ect. Gaia Premium is great for adv riding too the abilityto makes routes while offline is invaluable.
Nice, the market has evolved since I last looked. Nice review and fair.
Good review, I have always been a Garmin fan, that said a few months ago I started using Apple car play on my new jeep wrangler and Onx off-road app. I ended taking off the Garmin thread gps. I have a Garmin zumo xt on my Tiger will probably stay with that for a while. Looking forward to review of the cfmoto 450. May sale the Tiger looking for weight reduction (just turned 81). New rumor, Aprilla Tuareg 450. Shit.
Perfect video on moto navigation options.
Glad it was helpful!
Some folks may have benefited from the mention of BMW dedicated GPS units such as the Navigator V and VI as well as the more recent BMW Connected Ride Navigator which are closely related to the Garmin unit.
I use both an old pixel phone running GAIA and a vintage Garmin Montana 600, great combo for keeping me mostly on track or finding a way out.
I used a Garmin tread on Giant Loop rally and on California north BDR worked well. Maps are easier to load now. And software updates seem to be automatic any time you are at your wifi and plugged in
Yard maintenance technician 2 eh? Congratulations on the promotion! 🎉🤣🤣🤣
One very important point you missed, maps are good but satellite images are even better, these show not only where you are also tracks that are not on maps, I use Altogis (available for many countries around the world), this is FREE for the basic version which is all I need, works on any Android device, the is also a pro version for a very small fee
Great video Ian, I am exactly on this dilema, this helped! Personally I still prefer my Zumo XT for offroad riding, but prefer other options for road riding.
Glad it was helpful!
I just got back from a coast to coast lap (about 9000 miles) of the continental US. I used a rugged Android tablet as a standalone GPS, with DMD2 and OsmAnd+ for offline navigation and route planning.
I mainly used OsmAnd+, mostly because it did everything I needed it to do without swapping apps or gpx files. If I had the handlebar button controller, it’d be a different story.
What is the screen size and how did you mount it? I got the Samsung Active5...but can't figure out how to mount it in a way that works.....
@@kee7678 it’s an 8-inch Oukitel RT3, on a RAM tablet mount bolted to an SW-Motech GPS mount (already on the bike).
The RT3 has its own GPS receiver, and can be used without a sim chip. You have to download/update the vector maps occasionally; I just tethered it to my iPhone when I needed to, but otherwise it worked fine as a standalone GPS unit.
I charged it via USB-C cable to the 12-v adaptor. During bad weather you can unplug it and seal it up as needed; lower ambient light = less screen backlight needed = lower battery drain.
Have a look at the Beeline GPS. It only works with your phone, but uses its internal sensors for navigation. This conserves your phone's battery power and makes long rides over 300km possible. While the device itself is not to everybody's taste, it is a nice alternative to big clunky looking displays for classic bikes.
I’ve been travelling Australia for years with a quad lock mount with induction charging and damper, IPhone 8 with Gaia full country download ed, and garmin app, and motiongps app my new phone is in my pocket which has SoS built in nowadays
Getting GPX onto a Garmin XT is 'not' difficult. Select the GPX file on an iPhone and then Send, choose the (Garmin) Drive app from the list of compatible apps shown. And that's it 'done'. I do not recommend the XT2 over the XT because IMPO it is really unreliable handling GPX files irrelevant of base map or GPX export version, whereas the XT is very reliable in this respect. For those who just want to get from A-to-B the fastest, a phone running Waze is all you need. After trying at least a dozen phone navigation apps, if you want complex routes, then planning in MyRoute-app online, and using an XT is the best way to go. If you're on a budget, buy a Beeline Moto which is nothing fancy but is reliable and accurate.
Thank you Ian for another great review. I’m still working on what I will buy. I have a Zumo XT on my BMW GSA, as does my wife. But not quite happy with it. So on my travel bike, Vstom 800DE, I have a Carpe-Iter tablet and navigate mainly with MyRoute App. And I also have a Garmin Montana 700i as backup. But I also have an Inreach Mini. Now putting the Carpe-Iter on my BMW is more expensive than getting a Chigee BMW version. But I’m still not sure if I want…
Really cool content, as usual. I just wished you included Beeline Moto 2
Replaced the BMW Nav V on my GS and swore off the built in nav on my K1600 GT, use garmin zumo xt2 on both bikes. I never worry about lack of signal when traveling offroad.
Good thing about a Garmin Zumo XT... it transfers routes instantly between Zumo devices. Like big ba-da boom. Great if you ride with some usual folks. Then we have a bad thing. Wiring. Need to buy a Garmin ($45 or so) cable for each motorcycle. Garmin won't run on 12V... rely on a conditioner/voltage limiter built into each supply cabling. (They got ya !) If you need more detailed maps... you can load the Garmin higher-res maps on it. Pretty simple to use Google Maps to load tracks/routes on it.
I use Scenic on my iPhone, and like you the quad lock set up, but with the wireless charger, so no heat problem , because it charges slowly. And soon Scenic will be on CarPlay again. On my Africa Twin with wireless CarPlay it works perfect.
What system do you ute to make the carplay wireless on the AT?
@@903lew Menzo Dongle - 2023 Model, but I think it is no more available. In my car I use a cheaper one, but not as reliable as the Menzo, so don’t take the cheapest!
@@hansgroothuis8480 When I find the money for an AT (it’s somewhere between the cushions on the sofa, I swear) I’ll keep it in mind. Wireless CarPlay really is a game changer.
Caveat: I’m an on-road kinda guy. Maybe gravel roads but always on-road so far.
Spent a week off the big roads in the Baltic States this summer and a smart phone with a Mous case worked just fine. Download the maps and off you go. Less things to bring, less things to go wrong IMO. If I’d upgrade it would be to a bike that can do CarPlay on the main display (hello Africa Twin of my future!). Really not keen on buying and attaching another screen on my bike so until I find the money for an AT hidden in the sofa it’ll be the iPhone and the Mous case. Why Mous? Well it was on sale and now it’s paid for. Works well enough.
Excellent Ian!
i just got the carpuride 702, for the price, so far really nice.
At the moment I'm running a Oukitel rugged tablet with DMD2 on it. Works for me (on a 2005 R1200GS), especially I have all the normal Android stuff on there as well :). Mount is home made by the way and I have built in some vibration protection as well ;). The Oukitel does have a SIM card slot, so you can give it it's own SIM card and not rely on your phone's connection, the screen is bright enough in New Zealand sunlight (I have sunvisor that I added to the mount) and it is IP68/IP69K and MIL-STD-810H for water/dust/drop/vibration. Sofar it has done brilliantly for me :). It is wired in for charging via USB-C adapter etc. that I also built into the dash myself (out of the rain and still waterproofed).
Next I'm looking at the new Pixel 9 Pro fold in a heavy duty case and anti-vibration mount and probably a cooling fin back to keep temperatures reasonable :).
You got a promotion congrats!!
Maybe I missed it but wish you had covered BMWs Navigator system. I have it on my bike but hardly gets used . Great 👍 tutorial on units available.