The Voynich Manuscript Owners - Deep Dive

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  • In this inaugural episode, I ramble on about a few points left over from the Voynich manuscript video, then go into full deep dive mode on its strange cast of owners.
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  • @LetsFindOut1
    @LetsFindOut1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +635

    youre a saint for withholding the ads. i fall asleep to these all the time. excellent work man

    • @elaxter
      @elaxter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Real respectful to the work, falling asleep to them and all...

    • @jellymop
      @jellymop 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@elaxter haha I was going to say the same thing.
      As a joke.
      Hey some say you do listen and understand in your sleep.

    • @DarkMoonDroid
      @DarkMoonDroid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      @@elaxter
      I listen to many videos several times - at least once while going to sleep. It's a real thing. Only good ones make it into my sleep list. I don't want junk going into my brain while sleeping.

    • @DarkMoonDroid
      @DarkMoonDroid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jellymop Yes.

    • @breadeweateh9562
      @breadeweateh9562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@elaxter "respect the work" you're joking right? Why would you care how anyone consumes any content?

  • @HBADGERBRAD
    @HBADGERBRAD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I have the highest compliment I can think of for your talent as a presenter. I have lived my entire life with extreme ADHD and every side effect that comes with it. Dyslexia ~ has kept me from learning. I was held back in elementary for my lack of reading prowess. But now we have TH-cam! and brilliant people like you who share their knowledge with the world. Now I am learning! You can hold the attention of someone who was regarded as stupid and useless for half a century, because there were too many words to read. Thanx to teachers like you I have a passion for history. But you especially have a magical voice that captures and keeps my interest in what you’re teaching. Usually my brain 🧠 shuts down and I go into a dark shut down for a bit. I can see and feel it’s weight as it covers over me. Now I’ve found you and I’m learning. you’ve even inspired me to do what I can to improve my reading. Sadly I can still get the heavy dark fog but I can shake it off now. Thank you, BRAVO 👏 with my greatest respect and affection, love from Calgary Alberta CANADA 🇨🇦 🥰

    • @jbwentworthe6082
      @jbwentworthe6082 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      We join you in your good fortune to be living in these times when new ways of learning are coming along! It really is great fun!

    • @QUICKSILVER369
      @QUICKSILVER369 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I am having a similar issue--having studied and taught university for ages, and just being an avid reader, my eyes have given out on me! I truly appreciate all the reference material set forth in these podcasts and the visuals are particularly exciting! I must comment on the COMPLETELY WRONG idea that anyone, especially a scholar, could theorized DaVinci would ever place his name and reputation on such a simplistic work. The drawings look more like those done by Dr. Seuss with a perverse obsession of the female body (maybe I could write a text in an "after" Dr. Seuss fashion!). DaVinci would never pen such a simplistic array! And, being a leftie, writing mirror image is normal/easy for us. You can tell the difference in the pen-strokes of DaVinci's work compared to those in the manuscript. DaVinci starts from the right and writes to the left--the normal way for lefties to write--mirror image without a flaw. The VC is written from left to right. I must comment on the impressive penmanship of all these works-the lost art of a brilliant mind proud of the thoughts/wisdom proffered!

    • @minbyc
      @minbyc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I have ADHD too and I use my kindle on a really large font to help me read. I struggle with physical books because I need the font to be massive so I don’t get distracted by the other sentences on the page!

    • @RetroBacon1
      @RetroBacon1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same city let’s gooo

  • @Carloshache
    @Carloshache 3 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    The small differences in the symbolic depictions in the Zodiac might actually give a small clue to the language of the author of the Voynich manuscript, as it can reflect the names of these signs in a specific language or even a specific time and location (as language and knowledge changes). There are actually different translations of the Zodiac signs in different languages, who by themselves create a folk-understanding how people would interpret them
    In Swedish the Zodiac sign and constellation "Cancer" is called "the crayfish" ("kräftan"). This is a mistranslation but an understandable one, as the Latin word "cancer" can refer to several different types of crustaceans - but the Zodiac sign does really signify a crab (since antiquity). But the drawings in the VM could very well be a couple of crayfish.
    The same with the Sagittarius - it's called "the shooter" ("skytten") in Swedish and is thus not describing a mythological creature but only a non-descript (presumed human) shooter. So if we pretend the author of the VM was a native Swedish speaker with a local folk-understanding of these signs, these alterations make sense. The shooter is simply understood as a human shooter and cancer is crayfish. (If we supposed the author was Finnish, the sagittarius would be called "the archer" so there wouldn't be any crossbow).
    I don't believe the author was Swedish as we wouldn't have that kind of talent back then. But these words for zodiac signs are also found other European languages, such as Czech: where "cancer" is "rak" - "the crayfish", and Sagittarius is "the shooter" (Střelec).
    And there might be others which I don't know but Czech for me is a pretty hot contender as the trail begins in Bohemia. (If the word "crayfish" could understood as a plural in a language I'd say it is a pretty hot lead - I don't know if it is possible in Czech though). Note that it only partially matches in German where Sagittarius is called "the shooter", but Cancer is called "the crab". It needs to be explored further.

    • @onefeather2
      @onefeather2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Great comment.

    • @nadiaarsenijevic8594
      @nadiaarsenijevic8594 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's the same in serbian. Cancer= рак (rak) which means crab but can also refer to crayfish and sagittarius= стрелац (strelac) the shooter, the archer. I don't think it's likely to be linked to the Serbian language but it's fun seeing the similarities with Czech

    • @mattias969
      @mattias969 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Svenska på den tiden var helt olik den svenska vi pratar idag dock

    • @MyHeadExplodez
      @MyHeadExplodez ปีที่แล้ว +1

      in hungarian is also rak with an accent on the a

    • @Iun4
      @Iun4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Alvarezplik im late but just wanted to correct you on the czech comment - "rakovina" is the disease cancer, but cancer the animal is "rak"

  • @maynardmann1518
    @maynardmann1518 4 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    "Nobody would spend such a large amount of money on parchment and not use it till after they have died"
    Me an artist: looks nervously at the hundreds of dollars worth of empty fine paper sketchbooks in the corner of my studio.

    • @EmeraldLavigne
      @EmeraldLavigne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Right, but imagine if it wasn't hundreds of dollars worth of sketchbooks, but more like hundreds upon hundreds of dollars per PAGE of each sketchbook...

    • @jasonmoore7223
      @jasonmoore7223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@EmeraldLavigne not all times are a good time to make a point. Just seemed a bit unnecessary tbh.

    • @lolnahnvm208
      @lolnahnvm208 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@jasonmoore7223 it's actually the perfect time to point it out. It's a fine joke and all but ensuring people don't buy the joke as truth with a benign clarifying comment is perfectly fine.

    • @MsMousepusher
      @MsMousepusher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I agree, the more valuable the resource, the more hesitant you are not to squander it on anything substandard.

    • @TheMOMdq
      @TheMOMdq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Right?!

  • @cruisepaige
    @cruisepaige 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Bronze Age collapse got me through my Dad’s illness and eventual passing. I was able to sleep (and learn) because of you. ❤❤❤❤

  • @originolbunnyman
    @originolbunnyman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    holy shit. thats a long video.
    I love it.

    • @daedaethomas47
      @daedaethomas47 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jimbodriver1015 hahahaha, whenever I can't fall asleep I put on McKenna. It's better than any white noise, or "relaxation" sounds.

    • @rudolf-mariaschieber4866
      @rudolf-mariaschieber4866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All fucking HABSBURGER's

    • @thebrocialist8300
      @thebrocialist8300 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dae Dae Thomas No way could I relax listening to that fucking nerd’s voice prattle on for hours

  • @TheHistocrat
    @TheHistocrat  4 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    I apologise in advance for my sins against the German language.

    • @speedingatheist
      @speedingatheist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I didn't mind a few chuckles while watching this VERY interesting video. ;)

    • @jarrodbarker5050
      @jarrodbarker5050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eh, it's all flew flam anyway.

    • @mickswagger6086
      @mickswagger6086 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can u make this in

    • @dominikpollig9580
      @dominikpollig9580 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You should consider left handed people have only one way to write in fluid motion without smearing the ink and that is mirror writing! Da Vinci was left handed! Excuse my bad grammar... i´m German :P

    • @JMDinOKC
      @JMDinOKC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The Histocrat Ah, but your sins pale by comparison with the Germans' sins, ja?

  • @TheHistocrat
    @TheHistocrat  4 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    To anyone waiting for more A History of Britain, its still coming. I threw this together in a few days as a break from writing the next script, hopefully I should have something in November.

    • @TribalPolitics
      @TribalPolitics 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You're insane. Brilliant work man. Peace and love from Texas pardner!

    • @BrettonFerguson
      @BrettonFerguson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @18:23 Rudolph. "Never has a man through such actions saved the lives of so many." Not only did he save lives, due to the thick fog, the presents would never have been delivered on time, if it wasn't for him.

    • @daedrmr2dae
      @daedrmr2dae 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yay!! Can't wait-- I was going crazy trying to find the next episode from 600 BC+ thinking you must have made it already.

    • @CelticSaint
      @CelticSaint 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bryanmatthews1540 It's coming in about 30 years. Thankfully I'll be dead.

    • @MadTracker
      @MadTracker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Histocrat yes please more History Of Britain! -an amazing series!!

  • @elizabethmender
    @elizabethmender ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I love that so many of us find your voices so soothing, and that you've become a part of many nightly routines! Please don't think for a second that we don't appreciate the content!😅 We go back amd listen to them throughout the day as well and everything is SO informative and educational. Thank you both for your dedication and work!

    • @epeeypen
      @epeeypen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol no joke

  • @jordanreynolds9043
    @jordanreynolds9043 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I've been bingeing these while I work at a manufacturing job, I really appreciate these. They keep my mind working wile I do my relatively mindless job.

    • @arcray12
      @arcray12 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me as well....Thanks for the people making this type of video!

  • @yurisuika
    @yurisuika 4 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    Make these several hours long; I'll have no complaints!

    • @spicecrop
      @spicecrop 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yurisuika Terrance McKenna does a good lecture on this topic too.

    • @uberXserial
      @uberXserial 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed, I'll accept Dan Carlin lengths. History is worth deeeeep dives.

    • @LumocolorARTnr1319
      @LumocolorARTnr1319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree, and no script? He don't need one! :)

  • @ToTheeOBlessedJoseph
    @ToTheeOBlessedJoseph ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I am so grateful to you for taking the time to do this video. Content like this isn't put together in an afternoon - even the shortest of presentations can take days. You did an excellent job with this fascinating subject!! Might I dare to suggest you make some based on other mysterious books such as the Rohonc Codex? Thank you for all that you do sir.

  • @Duffyyy94
    @Duffyyy94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As someone else said, I also fall asleep to these, in the most respectful way possible. Amazing videos.

  • @MandaLynn8
    @MandaLynn8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The picture of the "oak", reminds me of walking through the woods. The trees would be covered in wisteria, huge vines.

    • @nomdeplume5446
      @nomdeplume5446 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was thinking that the grape like clusters were just clusters of acorns.

    • @MandaLynn8
      @MandaLynn8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nomdeplume5446 or even wild grape vines

    • @TheElrondo
      @TheElrondo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Or it's just a german oak Quercus Robur.
      It looks very similar.
      images.app.goo.gl/GyHHBVTFWHJnEb9S8

    • @MandaLynn8
      @MandaLynn8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheElrondo definitely does. Good eye

  • @JohnnnyJohn
    @JohnnnyJohn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this, and the previous Voynich Manuscript video. I could easily listen to you talk about it for another three hours!

  • @mudgetheexpendable
    @mudgetheexpendable 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very grateful to you for such a terrific intro to Kircher. It was a delight to me.

  • @ragingdevi
    @ragingdevi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I don't think that green for the water is actually meant to be green. It looks like blue that's oxidized into a green, as some spots are more blue than others.

    • @nutyyyy
      @nutyyyy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes I think its not a stretch to theorise its just meant to be water.

    • @EmeraldLavigne
      @EmeraldLavigne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      See, I was thinking that too, but aren't there some things that they ACTUALLY painted blue? Like, some of the flowers or something like that?

    • @ragingdevi
      @ragingdevi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EmeraldLavigne What do you mean?

    • @conzmoleman
      @conzmoleman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ragingdevi in the manuscript. there is blue pigment that stayed blue. is what the meant.

  • @MediaFolkus
    @MediaFolkus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Why Da Vinci is not the author:
    The pen-and-ink drawings and the crude painting are actually of the same level of skill, so likely the same person. That is because neither displays formal training, rather a lack of training. These drawings reveal the work of a complete, non-trained amateur with access to the appropriate supplies to produce the manuscript (which leads credence to the idea that the parchment was produced earlier in time and stored). Compare Da Vinci's illustrations with wrapping texts -- and, there is no similarity in style. The difference is stark.

    • @therealshakespeare9243
      @therealshakespeare9243 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are ignoring the possibility that the "amateurishness" was quite deliberate to confuse the "reader"

  • @thecianinator
    @thecianinator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm telling you, the bathing women are nymphs, plant spirits, and the green baths are leaves. It's an illustration of somebody's idea of the life process of plants.

  • @alexhauser5043
    @alexhauser5043 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Risible is the suggestion that Leonardo of Vinci created the manuscript. Anyone who has ever so much as glanced at Leonardo's sketchbooks would never attribute the crude doodles of the VM to him.

    • @pastpatour
      @pastpatour 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That theory is no less than an insult to Da Vinci 🤦🏻‍♂️ Dan Brown's crap really did numbers on the conspiratory minds.

  • @moviesthatmatter9340
    @moviesthatmatter9340 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best way to keep a secret code is to draw out of context pictures on it. In this case Naked women and constellation drawings are doing its job to protect the coded text.

  • @brendaeiler2343
    @brendaeiler2343 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have been fascinated with this manuscript for quite som time. Good to find someone who has more knowledge about it.

    • @daedaethomas47
      @daedaethomas47 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm curious, what do you think the purpose is? Old family remedies?

  • @vicmorrison8128
    @vicmorrison8128 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Good one! I love the longer, in depth vid!!! It seems I just get into a vid and then they end. How does one learn that much from a ten minute vid! Great job!

  • @JamesMadisonsSpiritAnimal
    @JamesMadisonsSpiritAnimal ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Came for spooky book, stayed for 17th century Austrian session laws

  • @EmeraldLavigne
    @EmeraldLavigne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really enjoyed this, the first one, and the Bronze Age Collapse one.
    These kind of historical mysteries are so fascinating.

  • @AndYourLittleDog
    @AndYourLittleDog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your Voynich videos are wonderful companions to the ones the Yale researchers have posted. I really appreciate this channel.

  • @TeacherMom80
    @TeacherMom80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant wait to hear this. 🤗 Thank you so much!

  • @thatemeraldphotographer6003
    @thatemeraldphotographer6003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What if, after all this time, the voynich manuscript is simply a really really old science fiction novel and not meant to represent reality of any sort at all?

  • @kellyfrost1052
    @kellyfrost1052 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the longer projects! Thank you!

  • @brandonsizemore3619
    @brandonsizemore3619 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    New sub here. Love the lack of ads. I hope you get great sponsors.
    Thanks!

  • @GullySyde28
    @GullySyde28 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your in my top 3 channels . Keep exploring man thanks appreciate the work

  • @YoungZibzy
    @YoungZibzy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A word on the "oak tree with grapes"
    Acorns are green while on the tree, like in that picture, and turn brown before dropping, which seems to be shown in there as well.
    Just a thought.

    • @EmeraldLavigne
      @EmeraldLavigne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I was gonna say that idk maybe they just didn't have brown pigment, but I think that makes a lot more sense.

  • @overlordbleak3994
    @overlordbleak3994 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Watched both Voynch manuscript videos today. Excellent presentations. Thank you

  • @DaddySki87
    @DaddySki87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You have great videos, keep up the good work! And your voice is perfect for narrating stuff like this.

  • @sirmerlin860
    @sirmerlin860 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well done. I can't wait to hear your reaction to the inevitable translation of the voynich manuscript.

  • @TexasSteader
    @TexasSteader 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Could it be possible the “women” in the green liquid are actually the writer trying to describe the breakdown of the digestive tract and this is an intestine tract where the “women” represent some living thing the writer knew broke down food but didn’t understand gut flora, hood bacteria etc. This might fit with the medicinal theme of the book

    • @FidesAla
      @FidesAla 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, allegories of the humours, or whatever understanding of actual microorganisms they might have had (or that this doctor might have thought up independently?)
      The water purification thing, and the fact that I've never seen that theory before, leads me to think that something in the illustrations does indicate that these are literal baths, but...

  • @frankmcguigan574
    @frankmcguigan574 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the greatest channel I’ve ever found

  • @doina18
    @doina18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video, I loved it ! And I didn't mind it was long, your voice is so pleasant. Thank you for all the hard work!

  • @mirandamorris4046
    @mirandamorris4046 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was always taught that Da Vinci wrote backwards ("mirror writing") as a clever lifehack to avoid smudging his ink as he wrote, because he was left-handed.

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's possible that's the reason for it, or maybe it was just a quirk of his.

  • @UraTrowelie
    @UraTrowelie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Guy, you're the coolest.

  • @annascott3542
    @annascott3542 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Is it possible the manuscript was one of those non-sense ciphers you mentioned, sent to Kircher as a prank? Maybe Kircher was on to the prank by the time he received it and it was set aside and it somehow got misplaced, misfiled, fell through the cracks and eventually integrated into his, I’m sure, vast library, it’s initial purpose eventually forgotten and mistaken for a legitimate codex or cipher? But I’m just now remembering, there was correspondence btwn Kircher and the previous owner, so perhaps not...

    • @honoratagold
      @honoratagold 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Watching this video, this really jumped out at me as a distinct possibility, and probably the theory that feels most likely to me.

    • @annascott3542
      @annascott3542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, the notion that so many over so many years have been racking their brains over this enigma and that it turns out it was a hoax along kinda makes me chuckle a little.

  • @Lenape_Lady
    @Lenape_Lady ปีที่แล้ว +2

    9:17 those are grapes. Different varieties of grapes have different leaves. Some look incredibly similar to oak leaves. Some, like Nebbiolo and Cabernet Sauvignon have weird, lobed leaves similar to the illustration. Esp the coloring of the berries: red and blue.
    10:58 is a cornflower. Showy blue flowers with the strange bulb-like growth before the flower.
    Also can’t each of these illustrations be an amalgamation of the plant’s growing process? That would explain why so many have both buds/seeds/fruits/flowers at the same time. The artist put all the phases of growth and reproduction of the plant on one illustration. So if a plant only bears buds in spring, but flowers in summer…the artist added all these stages in one painting. It cuts down on the number of illustrations needed to fully describe the plant and it’s reproductive phases.

    • @meanhe8702
      @meanhe8702 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very good observation, I agree with you, saves space, considering the cost of producing the manuscript, cost in terms of time and materials.

  • @christophervaca7116
    @christophervaca7116 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Interesting and well-explained. Thank you for showing us your process and insights.

  • @tasrill
    @tasrill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I'm not sure it came up in your research but parchment didn't actually have to sit idle for decades before the use in the manuscript. Palimpsest is the practice of scraping/washing off old writing so it could be reused and was rather common. I'm not sure how common it was in the 15th century but it was widely practiced before the 11th century.

    • @MrFrenchfanfan
      @MrFrenchfanfan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      But with modern analysis, one would know if it is scraped parchment or one use, no?

    • @tranzco1173
      @tranzco1173 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrFrenchfanfan Not with youtube analysis. If the provenance was actually shown, none of these charlatans would have anything to do. They'd have to play video games 100 percent of their lives, instead of 90.

    • @Tails92Halcmm
      @Tails92Halcmm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tranzco1173 huh?

  • @nefwaenre
    @nefwaenre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    14:33 that's ovaries, with the Fallopian tube, right? i mean, imagine a medieval dude drawing what he perceives to be ovaries, that would be it. Btw, fascinating documentary, why have i not seen your channel before??

    • @dustdust9508
      @dustdust9508 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I believe these to be some another water purification equipment peace. I dont think they were aware enough to know they existed at all. I have some papers at home about female anatomy seem by medieval men, so I can check that if you are interested, yet I dont deem it likely. They thought the womb travels around the body for gods sake lmao Im not throwing away the idea, just poiting out it is not as likely.

    • @noel_21
      @noel_21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@dustdust9508 They definitely did know about ovaries. People have been dissecting people since time immemorial. Many, such as Leonardo daVinci made drawings on the female anatomy, including ovaries, too. And Nicolaus of Salerno directly described ovaries in the 11th century. They just did not really know what function they had.

    • @dustdust9508
      @dustdust9508 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@noel_21 Thanks!!! I didnt actually consider they could associate the presence of ovaries with femininity but like.... Hey, they couldnt find those in men, haha! My immediate thought, well it was not exactly in da vincis times... Yet, it doesnt really matter. As with sunflowers - the knowledge is there somewhere, always. Not necessarily in the plain sight! Thanks for the insight once again

    • @noel_21
      @noel_21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dustdust9508 No problem man. I actually opened my dusty history books for once because of your comment. I should thank you lol

    • @agargoyle12345
      @agargoyle12345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      If this was anatomical information during the time when autopsy was illegal, that would be a good reason why it is written in a code...

  • @fnersch3367
    @fnersch3367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Its seems to me that in order to decipher this we need more than the plants, astrology & other healing issues. This is cultural context and is a start. We need to determine the script type as well as the language. A biscript would be very convenient too. The Voynich Manuscript is the only item we have. All available writings combined designate a "corpus". One book is too small a corpus. These 5 pillars of decipherment must be met according to linguists. See Michael Coe or Marc Zender for more of this. These two are world leaders on this subject. Interesting stuff.

  • @wellplayod1957
    @wellplayod1957 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    absolutely incredible video. you might just be one of the best creators on youtube - if only all my university lectures were this engrossing.

  • @Dicyroller
    @Dicyroller 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I truly wish I could love this many times. What I can do is tell the people I know about it.

  • @ToTheeOBlessedJoseph
    @ToTheeOBlessedJoseph 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really enjoyed this. Keep up the amazing work 👍

  • @MudkipzLuvr
    @MudkipzLuvr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    An extra hour of this craziness?! OH YEAH BABY

  • @timothymoore8549
    @timothymoore8549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If I were meant to entertain someone who had executed 1500 people for suspected witchcraft you definitely better believe I would not show him magic tricks.

  • @mythousandfaces
    @mythousandfaces 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well that runtime means I'm watching this over the weekend cannot wait to have time for it.

  • @seditt5146
    @seditt5146 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro!!! I seen that Script and Art style before!!!! Its Distinctive as hell and not only do the Letters appear to match but the exact Inks, Art style, "hand writting" etc...etc... all match. The only problem is, Its a small Pre Aztec Mayan script from one of the EXTREMELY few codec that managed to survive. I am completely convinced because it is so similar that I am sure its a Lost Mayan Codex

    • @seditt5146
      @seditt5146 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Or... come to think of it, perhaps the "Mayan Codex" the is actually a fake made by the same faker, idk but the similarities were way way to obvious for me to ignore and I only happened upon it on a YT video I believe on Ancient Americas channel where he discussed various mayan sects

  • @jellydarling1008
    @jellydarling1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is really really really cool! I’m so happy you worked on this! You are the best. Thanks 🙏 Thanks 😊

  • @Jablicek
    @Jablicek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My conjecture, based on nothing other than knowing what they're like, is that a child got their hands on it and coloured in all the illustrations.

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not impossible but nothing but a guess. The technique is a bit sloppy but it still seems somewhat deliberate and if it was done by a child it would have to be a very patient and diligent child.

  • @lisethstreamhouse3551
    @lisethstreamhouse3551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great epilogue. Many thanks!

  • @TheElrondo
    @TheElrondo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is my favorite and well researched documentary to the VM. Leaving out every conspiracy theory.

  • @spehrson
    @spehrson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Look forward to the extended Bronze Age collapse too.

  • @felicityd9824
    @felicityd9824 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your thorough and sympathetic yet fair coverage of Athanasius Kircher. At three moments I thought, "Aha!", as something I knew snicked into place - Kessler, animicules, and Egyptian obelisks in Europe. Very satisfying, thank you.

  • @TheMrCougarful
    @TheMrCougarful 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Voynich manuscript seems to operate as a kind of strange attractor for people suffering from Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

  • @dragonfly111cute
    @dragonfly111cute ปีที่แล้ว

    So glad this was the first video I watched of yours!

  • @Amadeu.Macedo
    @Amadeu.Macedo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Definitely
    "The Thirty Years War" (1618-1638). An amazing war which I consider a "game changer" in Western European history. Indeed, after this horrendous conflict between European catholics and protestants, the separation between church and state gradually emerged.

    • @annascott3542
      @annascott3542 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed! A very much overlooked and under-appreciated watershed in history.

  • @raymondjayjohnson693
    @raymondjayjohnson693 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rosslyn Chapel was built in 1446, two generations before Columbus stumbled across the Americas. It too is known for anachronistic depictions of plants unknowable to Europeans of the time.
    I do not know if there is a connection between the family of the time and Italy. This is speculative ground and probably should not be taken seriously, but there have been "thought experiments" that some contemporary Europeans did have at least some knowledge of the "new world." But it is accepted as reputable fact Columbus was not the first European exposed to North America.

  • @pastpatour
    @pastpatour 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About the plant illustrations, it's very reasonable to presume they are meant to represent medicinal ones, and we have documentation of which plants were regarded as such in those times in Europe.

  • @Becky317girl
    @Becky317girl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the deep dive! I can't count how many times I've watched it! I'm looking forward to more!

  • @pentegarn1
    @pentegarn1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn't put too much stock in the sun flower drawing forcing it to be post 1492. We were told the ancient Egyptians didn't have tobacco or coca plants. Yet we're finding them in mummies all over the world.

  • @tobeygula8710
    @tobeygula8710 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “It’s unlikely that someone would produce a large amount of parchment and it go unused for decades after “ me with stacks of unused mid evil parchment in my basement 😂🤷‍♂️

  • @shawnmurphy5731
    @shawnmurphy5731 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Longer the better

  • @MrAwawe
    @MrAwawe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    13:00 in Scandinavia, and possibly in Germany, the zodiac Cancer is associated with a crayfish (an animal similar to a lobster, but smaller), rather than a crab. It's possible that's what's being depicted.

    • @davidkleiven9212
      @davidkleiven9212 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ever heard of IAM Taurus Scorpio rising witch IAM actually lol 😆 ŴÎÑKß5 à crayfish or lobster is the scorpion of the Sea evolved to land t2 become a scorpion ËH ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆 there's so much code in this book it's INGENIOUS ËH ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆 Oh the Scorpio rising is a clue to evolution of crayfish rising from water to land becoming 🦂 ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆

  • @cykratzer3463
    @cykratzer3463 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Regarding the round fruit looking thing on the oak tree. The Oaks where I grew up, had cluster of round, balloon like growths about one inch, or a few centimeters in diameter. When they fell on the ground, they would pop if you stepped on them. I think we just called them "pop balls". And as a little kid they provided lots of entertainment.
    Web search show that those a called Oak Galls and the come from an insect that lays it's eggs under the oak leaves, and the tree makes a protective covering for the eggs. Fucking awesome huh,

  • @Amateur0Visionary
    @Amateur0Visionary 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I disagree that ink drawings appear to be done by a practised hand with artistic experience. They all look like children's drawings to me.
    What if some kid drew all over their dad's parchment. Rather than let all of that expensive parchment go to waste, the fellow just wrote his masterpiece around his child's doodles.

    • @agargoyle12345
      @agargoyle12345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It could have been done by the same person at different points in their life. It could have been a student's 'notepad' that they made notes on several subjects over the years, the illustrations being made when they were young, and the rest during their rebellious emo teen period (which would be why they'd need to encrypt it). Oh, god, it's a medieval conlang-nerd!
      Or maybe they just never could draw.

    • @boskybosky8730
      @boskybosky8730 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im with you im a professional illustrator and the line work of the drawing is not done by a very good artist. Lack of Composition , the markmaking feels timid, nor confident. And weak attemps ar symmetry and repeating patterns. Lack of form,weight,lighting ext. Color brushstrokes are by a shitty painter lack of opacity and control.

    • @boskybosky8730
      @boskybosky8730 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The figure drawing sucks not an experienced artist no freakin way its DiVinci. The man was a master of anatomy. Noooo waaaay DIVINCI. the armature weak artwork in this book raises questions about its legitimacy

  • @datalt7873
    @datalt7873 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can listen you talk all day. Really held my attention through the whole video.

  • @JMRolf1
    @JMRolf1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I genuinely love everything you put out. Keep up the great work.

  • @fourty-u4g
    @fourty-u4g 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I hope this one is a mystery forever

  • @dershogun6396
    @dershogun6396 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if the maker of this text was an alchemist who did breed new "hybrid"-like types of plants and he just wrote his book about the outcome of his experiments in a secret language so that the inquisition couldn't sue him for "witchcraft" while he was acctualy only doing biological experiments. Of course the strange font makes the book look even more "magic" but he could've just argumented with that he had a very bad handwriting or so...

  • @mrpoolaty9194
    @mrpoolaty9194 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome awesome!! I'm just gonna have to like now and watch later!! And then watch again and again!! Love your shows!!

  • @marlonbrando2698
    @marlonbrando2698 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only problem with the plant extinction or genetic transformation theory, is that we had lots of records of what these things looked like at the time.

  • @amylattimore3589
    @amylattimore3589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well that first illustration is definitely of the poppy ...seems like they might be a logical origin story behind this book to me

  • @customerisalwaysrigh
    @customerisalwaysrigh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The oak with grapes might be oak apples or gall which had value for making ink and predicting the weather.

  • @onefeather2
    @onefeather2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this , mysteries are great and the history of them, well done.

  • @reconstructionmanifest7349
    @reconstructionmanifest7349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kircher is an incredibly fascinating man

  • @williamwhareaorere8994
    @williamwhareaorere8994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Leanardo da Vince when he was a young man inspired by a reknown botanist of those years from 10 years old to18 years old.

  • @Dinjur
    @Dinjur 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Some of these stories deserve to be made into films. Especially Athanasius Kircher.

  • @poughkeepsieblue
    @poughkeepsieblue 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Obviously, the oak leaves show a primitive illustration of Acorns... oaks to acorns....

  • @TheEldritchArchives
    @TheEldritchArchives 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You kind of have to respect Athanasius Kircher. That dude just didnt quit. 1:30:35 made me laugh out loud XD

  • @Vedicvibesorg
    @Vedicvibesorg หลายเดือนก่อน

    a flowering sunflower has an alternate phyllotaxis or spiral arrangement, where the leaves become staggered and grow singly at different heights around the stem. so it cannot be a sunflower!

  • @sebastianvega4576
    @sebastianvega4576 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video and documentary! really well put together!

  • @biturboism
    @biturboism 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a layman, the timescale and the amount of verifiable details of this topic has really made a dent on my understanding of the historical process. Really, to me the process and the way of interpretation is way more interesting than the actual story itself.

  • @DrWrapperband
    @DrWrapperband 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video.

  • @GwynEllisHughes
    @GwynEllisHughes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should listen to Dimitri Shostakovich's Gadfly suite. He wrote the music for the 1955 Soviet film adaptation of: The Gadfly. Heartbreakingly beautiful.

  • @beetweedledee
    @beetweedledee ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your style of historical thoroughness.

  • @Channel-zd1cl
    @Channel-zd1cl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    love love love the long videos thank you.

  • @AssA9Ash
    @AssA9Ash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    9:15 maybe not am oak tree but some kind of black walnut,pecan, or a chestnut tree?

  • @HGAMES69
    @HGAMES69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Death: *exists*
    Kercher: Allow me to introduce myself

  • @steelcityterps
    @steelcityterps 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yey for new vlog. The last one KILLED IT.

  • @davidford3505
    @davidford3505 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have just found your channel and I am so glad I did, this manuscript has always fascinated me and after watching your first video about it, I thought I'd watch this in my lunch break...Well it's a good job I am working at home today as it captivated me right to the end. Needless to say my lunch break went over the 30 mins I am supposed to have!
    Like most people I have my theories of this, but I was interested to note the Da Vinci claim, what I did find surprising is the fact that you and others did not remark upon the extremely poor quality of the drawings, even Da Vinci's 'scribbles' were absolute masterpieces, so I really don't think he had anything to do with it.
    I don't think it is Atlantean :), or alien or anything like that, I think it is just someone's attempt to save his work from being copied, but we do love a mystery don't we?
    I'd be interested to know if any language/writing experts can see the patterns in the book we see in all written languages? I thought you may have touched on this (perhaps you did?). After all we can all write gibberish, but can we write gibberish that may look like writing, with its patterns and flow?
    Also, are you per change a Crusader Kings II fan? I recognised some of the music, and music from another game which I have played, but has eluded me so far.
    Thanks again for rekindling my interest in this and opening my eyes to all the 'player's' who owned or had a part to play in the history of this enchanting book .
    I'd love to see other videos on a similar subject if you have the time.
    Good luck with the channel

  • @CZPC
    @CZPC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is awesome. Even for a unscripted quicker to make video. It sounds great and has a surprising amount of cohesion.

  • @rzezniqq
    @rzezniqq 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely stuff. Keep up the great work!

  • @sean..L
    @sean..L 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, I really liked the biographic about Athanasius Kircher.

  • @knighthawk86855
    @knighthawk86855 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here are my thoughts ok the messy coloring in the script, I have an old book of my great grandmother's, that my very young mother got ahold of, and she colored in all the illustrations in the book, and it looks exactly the same, messy, and without care, I think whoever made this book, the little daughter thought she would help, and one day or week colored in the drawings, and got caught.... Lol, great videos keep em coming.