I think your opening statement is one of the most important overall lessons for life. So many people choose to view things one dimensionally by following some kind of educational path from their background or pre determined notions about the topic not even realizing that they’re already off on the wrong direction because they’re not viewing things with a clear mind, they’re looking with preconceived notions of what they already believe to be true not realizing their very fundamentals might be whats preventing them from seeing meaning in a bigger picture.
What a wonderful presentation. Very enjoyable. Calming manner but equally garnering interest and was thought provoking. Thank you for sharing. Watching this video, learned new things: roots with an animal depicted and some with heads/faces, and observation about sunflowers. With regard to plants, a different presentation suggested that over time many plant species (600?) have gone extinct therefore it is possible some plants are just unknown today but may have existed. Nobody knows.
I love this. It's the only interpretation I've seen that hones in on it being a women's health manual, which seems obvious to me.. I have a couple of areas of disagreement, though. 1. I've seen lots of pictures from that time period that use pictures of people and demons to indicate spirits affecting people or things. The women in the pictures aren't all bathing (my uneducated opinion), they're the spirits of the organs and blood. Even the pictures of the plants with animal qualities could simply be the spirits inhabiting the plants. 2. Where there's pictures of other organs, it doesn't have to be separate from female health and reproduction. Other organs affect and are affected by the reproductive system. Overall, I'm fascinated at your approach and your conclusions. Thank you for this
Thanks for a remarkably analytical and credible interpretation. Given that it is not even possible to know for sure, I am going to accept this explanation as the closest to fact as shall be achieved.
You are amazing sir! My amature intellec and knowledge of this manuscript is limittede but interesing to say i n the least. Your insights and observations are equisitly enlightening and exciting. Thank you!
Such a very interesting interpretation. Thank you so much. Your talk on the VM is the first I have heard that actually opens ones' imagination to the possibilities. Such a fascinating subject. I do hope The VM can be deciphered some day. But then too we humans do not have to Know everything. This sort of mystery is wonderful. Again, thank you Doctor
Thank you for your thoughtful interpretation of the Voynich MS - here are my thoughts (I have a B.A. & M.A. in History of Art): (1) ancient music for chants was written on huge sheets displayed so several singers could read the notes at a glance so I don't see the V-MS as a music book, per se. (2) what shouted at me, at first glance, was THISTLES which may have been regarded as a health cure for liver ailments, etc. (3) I also sense New Testament verses about the symbolism of "I am the vine and you are the branches" (John 15) and grafting plants (Romans 11). (4) I've been researching ancient Roman history for years (for a book I have yet to finish) and recall that the Romans over-harvested certain plants so much the plants became extinct so perhaps that's why we don't recognize the ones illustrated here. (5) Also, ancient Romans highly prized bathing and the public baths (enormous structures as shown in the Voynich MS) were open at certain times of the day to women, and at other times for men. Mixed-sex bathing was not acceptable. (6) The Wall St Journal (1-14,15-2023) published an article about bathing in the Middle Ages which relates directly to the Voynich MS - including wooden bathing buckets! (7) If the puzzle of the Voynich MS is to be solved, what scholars and rare book dealers should be looking for is a companion MS about medieval men's health issues, olden herbal cures and public bathing. Happy Hunting! - csd
Unfortunately, if there is a Men’s MS…I feel like it would’ve already been found. I can almost bet that there have been, and are now, many folks looking though!! Finding another volume to this MS would be (in my opinion) mind-blowing! I also think that comparing the two (if one is ever found) very well may make it a bit easier to interpret and then translate. Also, with the public baths. Was the water green back then??? Anyone who knows anything about pool care knows that green water is bad. The Ph is way off and needs to be cleaned, shocked and to keep it from turning green again, usually Mustard (the pool chemical, not the condiment) will solve the green water issue. I’ve ended up with more questions than answers with this video lolol 😂 Thanks for sharing your take! I enjoyed reading your comment!!!
@@MadamHoneyB Hi, Madam - Thank you for responding. I hadn't thought about that green water which is certainly quite noticeable in the MS; I wonder if the ink or paint used in the MS to represent bath water back when has changed color over the years? Ye Olden Green Bubble Bath? But in my Euro travels, I have often seen stagnant-looking bright green water (outdoors, open to the skies) in moats around Ye Olden Buildings so perhaps that is what the artist has represented. Imagine frolicking in that thick MS mess - maybe a lost "cure" for the plague? Thanks again! - Sue Chef
Holy crap the chanting theory is one I've never heard of. It makes perfect sense with the word and structure problem that always arises when trying to find meaning in the VM
Sir, I have been fascinated with the manuscript for years. Your take is excellent. Thank you for doing the work and putting out a very thoughtful video
What an incredible scholar. His greatest asset may be his incredibly rich and measured voice. His analysis of the manuscript reveals a magnificent depth of knowledge beyond far beyond science and medicine. Had he not mentioned his medical degree, I would have assumed that he was a scholar of the classics and medieval letters. I would be intimidated to attempt a conversation with him.
Voynich is an ancient village in Poland. Wojnicz, Poland. Before Wilfrid moved to England he spelled his last name Wojnicz. Voynich is an Anglicanized spelling to make our name easier to say for English speakers.
A wonderful, thoughtful take on the manuscript. I noted 2 things that may be relevant. 1. The illustrations of bowel/intestines made me think of the treatment of colonics , a cleansing of the bowel with water, like an enema. 2. The illustration of a large flower at the bottom with a crowd of women inside the flower. You mentioned a botanist could not identify. I am no botanist, but I've done some gardening. This is a poppy! The women represent the many stamens at the centre. The small growths coming up behind the flower look exactly like -- EXACTLY -- like the seed pods of poppies. So is this suggesting the use of poppy seeds as a remedy -- i.e., opium. 3. I suggest that the use of women may be more symbolic - or even an artistic or decorative touch - at times, like women in a bath, when the bath might be in them, at least in 1 or 2 of the pictures. 4. I don't recall whether you mentioned treatments that were done at that period of history and have been lost to time. Perhaps something to be further researched. Thank you. So interesting, and makes sense.
Absolutely fascinating! Your explanation makes so much sense. As a linguist, I have always been fascinated by this work, but I didn’t know that Voynich was Lithuanian. Makes me proud! Thanks for a great presentation.
A professor named Stephen Bax started to decode it 10 years ago and managed to read a few words. He was doing a really good job, but unfortunately he died shortly after the first video he put out. His work was really promising. Here is the link to his video and website (which is still up). m.th-cam.com/video/fpZD_3D8_WQ/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUedm95bmljaCBtYW51c2NyaXB0IHN0ZXBoZW4gYmF4
That was thoroughly enlightening! I have read, and seen much on the manuscript and you present an entirely different perspective giving new insight into what this book could be? The repetitive characters make no sense as a language at all. However, the chanting does! All women. All women who are either pregnant or, bloated due to other physical issues. I was thinking gallbladder because it causes a distension of the lower abdomen. The green water could be bile. In those times, women suffered from all sorts of natural processes and diseases that were not taken seriously. I wonder if the common urinary tract infections suffered by women especially through the times when women were sexually active played part in the illustrations of the distended abdomens inside of what looks like bladders? The manuscript could encompass everything that is of the female internal issues. The slow methodical progress of the presentation brings you forward into insights that one has not encountered in other delves into this work. I do hope those who do come upon your work, take the time to see what lies next, patiently. Your presentation inspires me to share this with my sister who is a professor of Native American Indian and Indian ethnomusicology. In India, she studied the ancient languages of Sanskrit, along with Hindi and Arabic. She was the first to introduce to the West ancient sacred music of India and Islam. As you know the Vedas were chanted in an epic poetry format. If one word is wrong or missing, the entire chant/spiritual text falls flat. This might be something of that nature, though in vocal/instrumental form. I will see if she would like to have a look at your work and see what she thinks? She is a professor in America as well as working for the government of India and Bollywood. She has her work formally published, and requested by the college of Oxford, China, and countries all over the world. She cut her teeth on choral music, is a professional choir director & organist (presently at a Lutheran church). She began formal musical training at the age of 6 and choral studies at age 8. She is almost 60 presently.
Quite interesting analysis. So perhaps some connecting book from Hildegard existed that is unknown was passed down and this manuscript secretly was the basis for the Voynich? The Voynich. Was not the original but it had to be encoded to escape the inquisition? Fascinating ideas. Your approach is definitely better than attempting to decipher the manuscript in written words. Perhaps some is for chants and some is describing medicinals. Thank you!
It does make sense that the bath scenes are actually representative diagrams of the digestive system etc. The characters could be some "spirits" believed to carry out functions, or "cartoon" characters added for decoration. (There are some modern cartoons which imagine characters inside the body doing things also.)
This beautiful piece of art has always intrigued me. I wonder if this book is when someone was trying to figure out ways to bring water into the city. It shows all of the plants roots and the moon which could be due to the use of tides. The images seem to be in some type of baths or pools with pipes connecting. I wonder about these plants and if they are all grown in and around water. Just some thought that I had about the book. This is a wonderful presentation. Thank you for sharing it!!
The first incidence of "Sunflowers", about 16:50 mins/secs in . . . to me in the manual that isn't reminiscent of a sunflower, but a 'bug eating' plant. Designed to catch. It's elongated not round. For easy and fast closing upon the 'catch'. So possible location of growth needs reconsidering.
I believe the answer to manuscript lies with Pablo Amaringo and his Ayahuasca visions. The manuscript is clearly psychedelic, and probably written under the influence of magic mushrooms etc
16:18 looks like a passion flower (passiflora incarnata) Passion flowers are used in herbal medicine to treat neurological problems. I think that this manuscript is a book on medicinal plants and how to graft them. You need four nodes when you propagate. Of course I don’t have any PhD‘s or MDs behind my name, but I’ve spent a lot of time with my hands in the dirt.
Wow... 😮😮 The voynich manuscript contains an explanation of alchemy with language, writing, images, colors in ancient languages... The meaning of the image of the naked woman is the cathode element, the green water is the wave current. Star means the element of gas. Meaning of Tree image in pictures. Roots are the elemental alloys of leaves are the mixing process, flowers are the end result being energy.. 😅
To me, it is so obvious that this is mystical! Alchemy is mystical: inner transformation. Also, no corrections and different spellings suggest that these lyrics (chanting) have been repeated for many years (visit any church, songs are memorized from usage) and different spellings because different languages within this group: those who spoke Latin, and those who spoke German, and those who spoke Italian. Woman represents goddess, earth, health, reproduction and vitality of life!
@@Notcurlyfrommouthwashing I have the same copy of the book as in the video. I view the spiritual world as 4D and we are in a 3D world. The source of life is 4D, such as a 4d hypersphere that at every point in space and at every moment of time this force expands in all directions at the speed of light and moves everything. When at one point of location this expanding force interacts with the other force in another point of location and this interference we view as matter, 3D objects. Since this expanding force is everywhere, one point is trapped inside these interferences. This is our 4D mind, our 4D ability to connect with the Source of Life and for us to interact with our 3D world.
@@stridedeck actually i think the voynich as to do with spiritual zodiac and a loot of conspiracy into a group (such group im sure as people like da vinci and giovanni) once i read the voynich i noticed that it as a symbol like a "z" such symbol only appears in znech bibles, for that im sure the voynich has to do with this symbols and one of his creators have something to do with znech, im sure the manuscript talk about astronomy zodiac and alchemy maybe in a future i could translate the manuscript by following this steps, i could even say the books as taints of da vinci.
@@Notcurlyfrommouthwashing Yes, and if you go deeper as to what is behind the symbolic zodiac and into Hermetic understandings in which Plato and other Greek philosophers concur with, then this takes us to fundamentals of reality.
In the pseudo-botanical section, the eagle and the lion must represent visual summaries of recipes. (1) The lion could symbolize sulfur or a solvent, and (2) the eagle’s wings suggest a volatile component in a concoction or perhaps a substance that undergoes sublimation or transformation. To me, the plants seem to be composites or stylized depictions rather than outright inventions.
I think the plants were drawn by someone who was told what they looked like, but who had never seen them. They did pretty well, considering they were going by description only. The way the roots were drawn, segmented on some, could be because they didn't know really what the plant looked like and had to make an effort based on what they were told. Some plants have stems or roots in segments. I think the "sunflowers" are exactly that. The flowers at the top have the seeds (although it kind of looks like corn inside a flower). The other flowers have the general look of a sunflower that has not yet bloomed, so they don't show seeds in those. Languages do exist that we don't have any examples of now. We know that's true. So if a person was writing a description of how to do something, if they didn't have the words they might use different languages together. This has to be a "note to self" kind of book about something the writer was told, and I think the same person wrote it all, but over a period of years, coming back to it at different times. Handwriting changes over time. I think it could be solved, but there wouldn't be anything fascinating in the book anyway. It's someone's notes about possible medical techniques and cures, and that person was getting the information second-hand by word of mouth. The most fascinating thing to me about it is that the plants seem to be from South America, and the words are in Spanish, Italian, some seem to be Chinese. It's a collection, and someone must have gone to or come from South America to Europe for that book to exist.
32:58 That's the letters "sa". The writer put a "tail" on the letter a all through the text. I see the word "gostuosa" on the page at 32:45. If that's the word it means "greedy" in Portuguese.
...Also: you're probably right about this having been made inside a convent. The calligraphy quality of the texts indicates a careful uniformity, characteristic of members of this kimd of institution. But some copyists, obviously, are more elegant than others, who are more "clumsy" - but all are disciplined, trained and take great care when writing, drawing or painting.
Ok, at 18:37, that's a sweet potato or yam plant. I think this book was from South America. The sunflowers and the yam. And on the opposite page, it looks vaguely like a tropical vanilla bean plant, which has an orchid-like flower. Again, South America. The next pages - there are the words "cuosa." "cuosam", "sam" in the text above the plants. That probably means something. Cuosan means "rub loose" in Chinese. "buos," "raddusa"(clearing, in Italian), "atta, erosa" (eroded skin, in Italian, maybe of the plant?) "basada"(the base) at the roots. Those are all real words. I think people have approached this in the wrong way. It might even be more than one language. It's written by how something sounded to a writer, and drawn how something was described. I read old documents almost every day, and I get used to seeing distorted letters, letters written on their sides or backward, all kinds of things. I haven't read something this old, but there are words that look like Spanish or Italian words, the most obvious being basada at the roots of some plants. It's spelled two different ways here but it's the base of the plant - the root. Then one that's (best guess) a Chinese word on how to prepare the plant by rubbing the skin loose.
Seriously did you pay any attention? The book has been dated from before European exploration reached the Americas, so, No, it isn’t depicting anything from South America
the containers r called jhandi from uzebekistan. The alphabet contains 4 different character set from languages spoken in same way but written in different form. There was no consistency of a set language in the region. The merchants/judicial holy Sindhu men started using 3,4 languages mix in order to hide the contents( depending on the knowledge of the person and area he traveled ). This was done to protect business know-how and maintain superiority at that time. The languages used by the merchants of North western Multan and Sindh were “Multani” and “Landa/Khudabadi/Mahajani” apart from other regional dialects and written words. It was what the Sindhu Mahajan’s( Merchants ) used to do. This kind of book and knowledge was in demand as people relied on auspicious moon cycles and it was part of daily life and it is still in many parts of the world.
*"written in the spirit of Hildegard von Bingen"* You said it wasn't a cipher text quite a few times, how is it then--"in the spirit of"--a cipher text circa 12th cent. ?? 47:00 I am very much in the camp of dissenters on his theory, this is just plain terrible... I mean, just my own glancing over 15th cent. documents/manuscripts I can already find modest comparisons... and they are all different than these... not sure where he got his work from!?!? 'r' for example is a pre-Arabican numeral '4' in Italy... but, lol... I guess it's 'r' cause it 'looks' like one... 54:00 all of these paintings are quite interesting, but where are they from exactly?? They appear woven not drawn! Also the stars are a DEAD match, but how significant is this in actuality?? Many places have their own styles, this doesn't mean they are necessarily connected by hand--only in style, very much in how The Beatles influenced modern rock & roll... but didn't make any of it@
considering the depiction of a spiral galaxy in a book of the early 15th century and the fact that optical lenses where known BC in ägypt, it seems to me the telescope must have been invented and forgotten way before galileo did.
What about the work of Ahmet Ardic and his sons? They found that it was mainly written in old turkish and have already translated whole pages of the Voynich Manuscript in 2018. They created a website called turkicresearch and shared two videos in english on the youtube channel Voynich Manuscript Research. Please look into this. They have some amazing insight regarding this matter and deserve the credit. "Ata Team Alberta (ATA) has deciphered and translated over 30% the manuscript. Currently, a formal paper of the philological study was submitted to an academic journal in John Hopkins University" - this is a quote from 2018
Those guys didn't decipher or translate anything. They started with a bias because they are Turkish and then went from there. There's a reason nobody has heard from them since they made that claim.
The chanting theory comes from some people claiming to have translated 30% of the manuscript as they say the manuscript is written in a phonetic way of ancient Turkish and that the words repeat a lot to make a beat type rhythm. I do not believe he came up with the chanting theory independently. So the speaker's theory is not an original idea, in my opinion. He said Turing broken the Enigma code. Turing didn't break the Enigma code. The Polish did. The English just built on what the Polish had already done. 3:50 Stomach ulcers. I'm Australian and had a perforated duodenal ulcer when I was 20 in 1983. Ended up in emergency... doubled over in agony. My abdominal muscles tightening in cramp every couple of minutes. Not that there was much urgency given to me or my case as I was not given any medical attention till the morning, when the Dr turned up for work at their normal time. After I recovered and went for a follow up visit with the Surgeon who said I must be stressed and that's why I developed an ulcer because of excess stomach acid. I scoffed and told him I'm the least stressed person he's ever known and that the ulcer was due to something else. He insisted I must have some unknown stress causing excess stomach acid. I told him the only stress I have is his not believing me that I'm not stressed. So even with the 1982, confirmation by Australians that Heliobacter pylori was the cause of stomach ulcers, it wasn't being acknowledge in the medical world in 1983. I hope my Surgeon recognised their error in not listening to their patient once they had learnt about H Pylori. Also. The speaker in this video has made errors and refused to acknowledge them, much the way the medical world refused to believe that a bacteria was the cause of stomach ulcers. www.mortalityresearch.com/main/post/220 Yeah, so the moral of the story is, just because they have letters after their name due to formal studies, doesn't mean they have some special insights beyond what most people have. They are human. Fact check everything.
Speaker has never said he alone decoded the manuacript, he did not even said he knew about aound theory independently. Do u have ASD? Ulcer has no connection with how soeaker interpret language. Aren’t you also claiming that the researchers are “claiming “ what u think they are?
Just MY unprofessional observations about the manuscript itself: It would appear the index type page with bullet point stars on a string in left margin was written by someone right handed. The bullet points also suggest a left to right writing format, as does the subtle slope as the text progresses down the page. Noted some of the animals have curly toes, as the 'clubs' icon in a deck of cards, rather than hooves etc. Some plants too. Some month names etc added to centre of zodiac that looks more in line with more modern western characters compared to those in the manuscript. Someone also noted Sagittarius was depicted as a man with crossbow rather than a centaur. The faces drawn are quite cute too The coloured paints used is also of interest, and if they associate with other time periods. A scientific sample of ink suggested carbon dating to around 1404-1438. Nb The skin/parchment could be older? Paint and parchment expensive, so one would naturally think the manuscript was real or why else waste a lot of valuable money. Have heard that ancients/manuscripts may have links to music/healing frequencies etc. Interesting to hear chants. Some ancients used clay? body parts trinkets which scholars think was representative of an ailment they had on that part of the body and sought a remedy/healing. Different people have different views, ie the dragon.
Could the grafted or segments of roots indicate something about how many different harvest seasons that particular plant is “good for” or has the most “potent/beneficial” amount of whatever the medicinal properties are? And the chanting- i think it has something to do with specific frequencies-as a lot of old temples/ancient structures incorporate designs for specific sound frequencies and the different parts of human body, mind and soul to which they connect and/or heal. The animal/plant grafts could indicate which particular “season” that plant needs to be harvested-much like today’s “deer/elk/bear hunting” seasons. Or could relate to some astrological animal sign of time of harvest (as for some medicinal properties, some plants need harvesting before or after the time most consider as ripe” I also think some of the astrology stuff could relate to the timing of a woman’s menses and the associated mood changes based on a type of lunar or similar cycle. All speculative of course, as I’m just beginning my journey into the research of studying this intriguing manuscript.
thanks for this video, when I saw another youtube video about it I looked at many stars and saw star anise herb on the pages. Star Anise is an estrogenic herb.
I guess that the plats and their parts are symbolic for real plants and parts, but drawn in a fashion not to be recognizable. When a plant is recognized as something, that may still not be the plant symbolized. The grafting feature is probably a method used to make the drawings more simple by omittting uninteresting parts or to mark where plants shall be cut before use.. The language in the manuscipt is probably an European language, but with the grammar modified to make it look very different. The word order could be highly modified. Prepositions or auxiliaries may be moved and changed into affixes, and so on.The alphabet may contain several letters for the same sound and used randomly to confuse.Upon that, the text is probably encrypted with some technical method, which even may differ systematically from line to line or the like. Many drawings look childish, but I think this is a feature used to speed up the drawing process. I think the text decribe accurate receits and procedures and are not primarily chantings for healing or the like. But some of the text may be chants belonging to some procedure. Still the whole text may be written in a style so that it can be sung, by students together to enhance learning. The repeated prefixes can be articles, comjunctions or the like, and the repeated endings something like this too. But they can be dummy elements to make the singing more rhytmic.
Second try;: the re-occurrence of the 8 and 9’s between the different writers could well be the pitch difference of the voices doing the chanting/singing
The Alan Turing movie mentioned "The Enigma Game" is well worth a visit. Good movie and introduces viewers to Alan Turing and important achievement he made which was an essential contribution that changed the course of the war.
It has not been deciphered so don’t wave your flag too much. Further finding the book of you are an antiquarian book dealer is hardly a cause for Lithuanian national pride. All voynich did was buy the book
About "no correction" i think, either they had a draft copy and they just rewrote, or they they have a symbol for correction. Ex this is a miss(remove last character sign)take
Chinese culture has traditions of women creating seperate secret languages hidden in decorative art. So the whole idea of women in a convent creating a seperate unique language to protect themselves from outside authority is a real possiblity.
So yea what ya got it look like is a botany book on hallucinogenic plant its coded so a person dosent go find them probably but its a mimosa tree opening its leaves
In the "biological" section, the illustrations refer to PLANTS, not to the feminin reproductive system. The women are represented inside plants, inside botanical organisms. Spreadind seeds, promenading through stems and roots, bathing in sap (that's why the water is green). Or relaxing in leaves. About the language, you're right: it is meant to be not read, but sang. It is meant to COMMUNICATE with the vegetable world. Strange? Well - not really, maybe...
An interesting presentation! As an art historian specialised in Renaissance Italy, I must say that (1) The illustrations are of an appalling quality. They might and should have been done much better. (2) Many medieval manuscripts have as their marginal illustrations plant-animal fantasy hybrids. The illustrations found here are not surprising, as they are a continuation of such marginal hybrids. As a linguist, (1) German is a Germanic language and sounds different in every respect from the Romance languages. I am afraid that intoning the text in a Germanic language is a non-sequitur. (2) I believe that the text is not a real text at all. There is at least one page where all the 'words' have four letters. The main example that you give, with so many repetitions even on one page, seems to me a graphic form of echolalia - it looks beautiful. As a scholar generally, I therefore believe that this manuscript was made for fun. It cannot be read. In crude illustrations it shows the insides of women's bodies, perhaps 'travelling through them', that were just being discovered scientifically - autopsies were (grudgingly) allowed in academia for the first time. For instruction purposes, there were beautiful drawings and wax models made of a fetus in the womb (now in museums). You believe the manuscript was about disorders, I believe it was about the construction and workings of the female body, but it is the same difference, so to speak. The idea of water does not need explaining. This connects with the theory of the four humours. Not only is the body filled with fluids, but the lining of the womb is expelled once a month. When pregnant, there is even more water around. In all, I believe this manuscript is a very, very sloppily executed early fifteenth century hoax that does not contain verbal information. Though deliciously tantalising, it is not up to par and I understand why this is one of the manuscripts that the library decided to sell.
I am sorry you feel you have to criticize so harshly. Clearly, this is not an attempt to be artistic, nor to pursue a degree in Fine Arts, but merely illustrative, done by one who had a message important enough to themselves to be worth the effort.
My criticism is not meant to be harsh. I state that it is not up to a par with the many, many fine examples that you can find from this area in this period. It is a manuscript, written on animal skin, and manuscripts were prohibitively expensive to make in materials alone. The fact that it is not great art makes it that much more of mystery. Who would have the money to create a manuscript and then commission an amateur artist? I thought that was clear but I see now that it wasn't. @@donnatroicuk3824
to clarify more: text and illustrations were done by specialists. One (or more) for text, and one (or more) for illustrations. It really is a mystery how this manuscript came about.
Thanks for this excellent and well-researched video. It presents several intriguing points I hadn't encountered before. However, I disagree with your main conclusion. Connecting this manuscript to a person who lived two hundred years earlier seems like wishful thinking in my opinion. It would require a secret language and a complex set of instructions to be passed down across several generations, in hermetical secrecy, and leaving zero historical and archaeological footprint outside of this specific set of pages. Nothing exists in a cultural vacuum; even esoteric and forbidden knowledge is often referenced elsewhere or drawn from previous works. Other rare and mysterious languages appear in more than one inscription, and they often show the evolution of these scripts over time. This manuscript is a unique oddity with no parallels, precedents, or connections to any culture or language. A healing manual would not typically feature absurd fictional plants, and the argument that any plant would work as long as the right astrological data is used falls apart when you see that the astrological pages are every bit as random and fantastical as the plants. The stars are depicted in decorative geometrical patterns that don't correspond to the orbits of any planets or match any constellations. Additionally, for a document allegedly composed by a monastic order, this manuscript is suspiciously devoid of religious imagery. Even non-Christian alchemists and scholars incorporated some Christian symbology and allegories into their work. The almost complete absence of Judeo-Christian elements in this manuscript is another red flag, suggesting that it was intentionally composed to appear as obscure and untraceable as possible. I'm, of course, not an expert in languages or cryptography. I don't know if it was created as an unsolvable puzzle to prank potential deciphers or as a hoax to sell to a collector of rare tomes, but I don't believe this manuscript has ever had a meaning; it's purposely random. On this point, I agree with one of your conclusions: it can't be translated because there is nothing to translate there. ( ᐢ (oo) ᐢ )
If they were languages cryptographer and linguists would have been able to identify them. Contrary to what you think there aren’t multiple dead languages to vanished through the face of humanity in the last six years. Certainly not in Europe.
I like this mans logical method of thinking. I wonder if this would have happened as an effect of a community of restricted or inprisoned women, maybe a woman church that turned into a cult trying to make sense of their isolation. Thus the befuddling obvious talent of the work along with the appearing near fantasy interpratations.
I appreciate the video and will continue watching now. But paused @ 8:41, where it is said that some academic knowledge is needed. In actuality, don’t let academic pursuits get in the way of obtaining true knowledge within. All is known already. We just need to tap into that Space, with intent for Higher/Source first. Then all else is added into thee. Not trying to preach here. Just saying, look within. The answers are there. And this ‘method’ avoids any mistakes in understanding. It would be helpful to all, to look at the text as all having spiritual meaning. For instance, the plant which roots in the earth, the braid, the female organs. Many cultures use this symbolism. Think of the Mother aspect. Yet, it is also Father, depending on the on the function at hand. Braided into each other; not one, not two. The glorious plant which cannot be seen by looking outward, as one normally thinks of the looking. I’d say the author of the text was a spiritual master.
Bathing is the cleansing within. Clearing of the dross. The water is the cleansing spiritual waters. And the Living Waters. Whereas fire would be related to the burning of the dross, water must first interact with the elements. We must see where there is entanglement. With the spiritual work, through meditation, one can be presented with errors made, and how to remedy the resulting dysfunction.
A conduit is also a term used for how energy travels. The physical vessel houses the conduit of energy from Source. Kundalini energy. The bowels, and all of the organs, are related to the hell realms. We must traverse these congested elements, entwined within organs, like a matrix, in order to see the Lights of the Bardo. One woman pulling the other one’s hair… Hair is related our entanglement within the hell realm. The hair gets pulled because we are not turning inward. We have the lower soul and the upper Soul. The lower soul as if fights against itself. As if deluded, due to the uncleanliness.
A toroid is also depicted in animation, as spiraling. Star type shapes are to be found in geometric patterns, such as the poly tetrahedron, which spiritual depicts the wisdom body. Also consider the shapes within geometric patterns such as the Tree of Life. And the 8 pointed symbol could relate to the 8 petals seen within the yantra, symbolized on vajras, etc. All of these subject matters, though seen by many to represent health, astrology and so forth… all relate to spiritual matters. Therefore, they are not separate subjects in reality, but a means to communicate about system we find ourselves in. The system in which we are placed because we do lack inner knowledge. The key is to look to divine. Then all unfolds in an awe inspiring work that no man can fathom. It must be lived.
Astrology depicts the inner cycle. Naked women are the unclothed spirit. The spiritual work is about the missing royal robe, when in the fallen state. Although, the Natural Essence comes to mind as well, in relation to nakedness. Solomon speaks to this too, as do other sacred texts. Hildegard is an awesome example of one looking to spirit for answers. I’ve only seen some of her work, but found that to be symbolic as well. Definitely, Hildegard does embody the text. A Master is not the physical vessel, but animates the physical vessel to transpart divinity to humankind. @31:51 we see five women and one below them. Perhaps relating to the 5 elements which Mother works upon. Just like a depiction of the Mother Goddess with 5 snakes upon her head. 4, 0 and stylized H: I don’t know the code being used. What’s coming to me though is Hum! As many Hindu sacred commandments (to the spirits) start off with. A declaration; Hear me! Let it rest upon us, as we view the page. Inner divinity is seeing it for us. As Mr. Plioplys says, maybe for the chanting. And chanting of higher language starts to come about naturally, as divine works upon the Spiritual vessel. The writing could be a group activity in that there is the Godhead. We could consider the Godhead to be 3. Or we could see it as 26 frequencies, again depending on the purpose at hand. And each frequency justifying the others. Of course, with this inner work, comes healing too. Perhaps also, the herbs themselves carry these frequencies, as all of Nature is a grand symphony. I would say there were no errors in the text. Thus, no need to make any corrections. That’s why corrections are not found there. What might seem like an error, is simply knowledge yet hidden.
Mit Logik und Verstand kommt man sehr wohl weiter. Viele Forscher schiessen sich einzig auf "Schrift" des Codex ein, damit sie sich gewaltig herumplagen, wobei die Schrift im Codex keinen Sinn macht, das sollte mittlerweile klar sein. Dennoch lässt sie die "Schrift" entschlüsseln, wenn man weiss wie man es machen muss. Man muss den Codex innerhalb seiner Entstehung betrachten, dabei von der Forschung ein gewaltiger Fehler gemacht wird, oder zumindest von all den Pseudo-TH-cam-Forschern, die sich auf die C-14 Karbon-Alters-Analyse berufen, welche eine Zeitspanne zwischen 1404 und 1448 ergibt. Damit nun jene Forscher allen Ernstes behaupten, der Codex wurde in jener Zeit niedergeschrieben, was schon mal fatal ist, sprich falsch. Da waren die Beobachtungen vor der C-14 Methode präziser da die immer schon das beginnende 16. Jh. erwähnt haben, was auch stimmt, also Jahrzehnte später als die Karbon-Methode verrät, darin es nur um das Pergament geht, nicht um die Niederschrift. Also findet man die Wahrheit über den Codex selbst und so seine Macher, die in Teilen bekannt sind, als einer Geheimgruppierung die so Geheim nicht war. Dabei die Seitenzählung des Codex sehr aufschlussreich ist, was scheinbar niemand bemerkt haben will, wie auch gewisse Symbole im Codex, die einem enorm weiterhelfen das Umfeld der Entstehung einzugrenzen. Alles was falsch darin erscheint und das ist vieles, findet man in jener Zeit ausserhalb des Codex. Der Brief der dem Manuskript 1912 beilag führt in die Irre. Kaiser Rudolf II. hat den Codex geerbt, er befand sich zuvor bereits im Kaiser-Haus der Habsburger und wurde von Kaiser Maximilian I., vielmehr seiner Frau Bianca Maria Sforza in Auftrag gegeben. Die Leitung besass ein gewisser Julius Caesar Scaliger, ein höchst sonderbarer Mensch, der am Gardasee geboren wurde, wo auch der Codex niedergeschrieben wurde, nämlich in Lazise. Jener Julius Caesar Scaliger taucht später beim berühmten Seher NOSTRADAMUS auf, der nichts mit dem Codex zu Schaffen hatte. Vielmehr aber ganz bestimmte hochadelige Familien in Italien, wie die Borgia, die Sforza, die D'Este und die von Aragons. Der erste Schritt der Entschlüsselung geht über die Seite 1, die beiden grossen Symbole, wer die entschlüsseln kann, kommt auf den Weg und findet ausserhalb des Codex, die entsprechenden Symbole und Hinweise. Die scheinbar 14 fehlenden Seiten sind Fake, ihre Seitenzählung verrät die Zahl 1052, die eine ganz bestimmte Bedeutung hat. Teilt man die Zahl durch die Zahl 9, kommt dabei die Seitenzahl von 116,888... unendlich heraus, oder die Symbol-Zahl 8,888... unendlich, eigentlich ein Sinnbild der Symbol-Zahl 888, in ewiger Reihenfolge der Verehrung der Hl. Jungfrau Maria. Wer sich vertiefter mit dem Codex befasst, merkt das es eine Art MARIEN-LITHURGIE sein muss, MARIA für die Seele des Menschen steht und so weiter und so fort. Die Zahl 116 kommt noch in einem anderen Zusammenhang vor, über die Symbolik Gaius Julius Caesar. Bedenkt als Forschende, wir befinden uns mit dem Codex am Beginn des 16.Jh. Papst Alexander VI. und Julius II. Und dort finden sich so manche Antworten, die der Codex eindeutig und korrekt offenbart. So kommt man letztlich auf den Code der Entschlüsselung, der vor Jahren von einem mir bekannten Forscher, der anderes zu Tun hat, als den Codex zu übersetzen, der Beinecke Library, der Yale Universität per E-Mail zugesandt worden ist. Leider sind diese Institute so sehr von sich und der eigenen Forschung eingenommen, dass sie solche E-Mails unbeantwortet lassen und vermutlich von vorneweg Löschen, selber Schuld. Wer also Lust und den Willen hat, beginne die Arbeit auf Seite 1, der beiden grossen Symbolen, damit der Weg der Entschlüsselung seinen Anfang nimmt, viel Spass dabei.
The Voynich manuscript is a multi-dimensional language based on cubes and volume displacement. First you take the mirror image of each character or 'letter' and over lay it to make a complete symbol, then you turn that image 90° and over lay it, then 180° and over lay it and keep turning it and over laying it until you can create a three dimensional image inside a six sided cube. Then you calculate the volume displacement of the area left inside the cube that the three dimensional image of the symbol has left 'vacant' assign it a numerical value, then add the inverted total of the volume the character displaces and there is your true cipher. Now you can talk to God. It is also related to the very earliest phonetic version of language that became Turkish. You take this cipher and bring it all the way back down to binary so there can be no possibility of confusion, either it's on or its off, now take the phonetic language of the earliest form of Turkish, give it's characters a numerical value, bring those down to binary, repeat with earliest Egyptian, Hebrew, Chaldean, Assyrian, Sanskrit. Match the pattern in binary and then bring it back up. Don't forget the concept of zero didn't exist yet so you need to take into account the original numbering system of Europe that was based on 1-9. 11 dimensions. 9-11
Very creative! 😅 You forgot to mention, that the whole thing is just about to read verse ten (between nine and eleven), and that the rest of the V-MS is only decoration. 🍀🐛🌼🚺
The trouble is that your methods are hardly scientific and much of your work is based on the works of other people who were either shown to be in error, or, - themselves frequently used methods far removed from Logic of Hypothesis Testing. People frequently forget that science is a type of philosophy called Natural Philosophy, and it's the "natural" part that makes it so powerful and practical. (And CORRECT in its descriptions and predictions). Whether something sounds the same to an online AI program is an extremely dubious method because veracity of its solutions hasn't been scientifically validated for doing with it what you have done. It doesn't even allow one to TEST its engine before buying, - a "buyer beware" product. It recommends to enter punctuation marks Voynich Manuscript has none, as you yourself said. It is limited in a number of (very modern) languages. It is also unknown how exactly you entered the text and which version and which parameters you set, for example, did you enter the text in, "by recommended" "line at a time" or all at once? This is important so others could at the very least replicate your results. None of that means you're incorrect about what the book actually is. It just means there is no way to verify if you are correct, and whether you got the rest correctly. But already I'm getting very pessimistic vibes from the presentation. Would the Holy Inquisition be less or MORE likely to burn a book they don't understand, full of Nightshade-resembling plants and naked women? I reserve some doubts there. Looks like vile witchcraft even to my untrained non-medieval-Catholic-Liberal-Agnostic self. And the explanation for why the plants look like they were genetically engineered in some High School lab by Botany students 1000 years into the future... not too convincing...
I think you are on to something more than anyone else has come up with. Absolutely great thinking and seeing what has not been talked about before.
I think your opening statement is one of the most important overall lessons for life. So many people choose to view things one dimensionally by following some kind of educational path from their background or pre determined notions about the topic not even realizing that they’re already off on the wrong direction because they’re not viewing things with a clear mind, they’re looking with preconceived notions of what they already believe to be true not realizing their very fundamentals might be whats preventing them from seeing meaning in a bigger picture.
What a wonderful presentation. Very enjoyable. Calming manner but equally garnering interest and was thought provoking. Thank you for sharing.
Watching this video, learned new things: roots with an animal depicted and some with heads/faces, and observation about sunflowers.
With regard to plants, a different presentation suggested that over time many plant species (600?) have gone extinct therefore it is possible some plants are just unknown today but may have existed. Nobody knows.
I love this. It's the only interpretation I've seen that hones in on it being a women's health manual, which seems obvious to me.. I have a couple of areas of disagreement, though.
1. I've seen lots of pictures from that time period that use pictures of people and demons to indicate spirits affecting people or things. The women in the pictures aren't all bathing (my uneducated opinion), they're the spirits of the organs and blood. Even the pictures of the plants with animal qualities could simply be the spirits inhabiting the plants.
2. Where there's pictures of other organs, it doesn't have to be separate from female health and reproduction. Other organs affect and are affected by the reproductive system.
Overall, I'm fascinated at your approach and your conclusions. Thank you for this
Thanks for a remarkably analytical and credible interpretation. Given that it is not even possible to know for sure, I am going to accept this explanation as the closest to fact as shall be achieved.
You are amazing sir! My amature intellec and knowledge of this manuscript is limittede but interesing to say i n the least. Your insights and observations are equisitly enlightening and exciting. Thank you!
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you for sharing your journey and insights with the Voynich Manuscript.
Such a very interesting interpretation. Thank you so much. Your talk on the VM is the first I have heard that actually opens ones' imagination to the possibilities.
Such a fascinating subject. I do hope The VM can be deciphered some day. But then too we humans do not have to Know everything. This sort of mystery is wonderful.
Again, thank you Doctor
Thank you for your thoughtful interpretation of the Voynich MS - here are my thoughts (I have a B.A. & M.A. in History of Art): (1) ancient music for chants was written on huge sheets displayed so several singers could read the notes at a glance so I don't see the V-MS as a music book, per se. (2) what shouted at me, at first glance, was THISTLES which may have been regarded as a health cure for liver ailments, etc. (3) I also sense New Testament verses about the symbolism of "I am the vine and you are the branches" (John 15) and grafting plants (Romans 11). (4) I've been researching ancient Roman history for years (for a book I have yet to finish) and recall that the Romans over-harvested certain plants so much the plants became extinct so perhaps that's why we don't recognize the ones illustrated here. (5) Also, ancient Romans highly prized bathing and the public baths (enormous structures as shown in the Voynich MS) were open at certain times of the day to women, and at other times for men. Mixed-sex bathing was not acceptable. (6) The Wall St Journal (1-14,15-2023) published an article about bathing in the Middle Ages which relates directly to the Voynich MS - including wooden bathing buckets! (7) If the puzzle of the Voynich MS is to be solved, what scholars and rare book dealers should be looking for is a companion MS about medieval men's health issues, olden herbal cures and public bathing. Happy Hunting! - csd
Romans 11: This is not literal. It references the 'Gentiles' being grafted onto the 'Tree of Life'
Unfortunately, if there is a Men’s MS…I feel like it would’ve already been found.
I can almost bet that there have been, and are now, many folks looking though!! Finding another volume to this MS would be (in my opinion) mind-blowing!
I also think that comparing the two (if one is ever found) very well may make it a bit easier to interpret and then translate.
Also, with the public baths. Was the water green back then??? Anyone who knows anything about pool care knows that green water is bad. The Ph is way off and needs to be cleaned, shocked and to keep it from turning green again, usually Mustard (the pool chemical, not the condiment) will solve the green water issue.
I’ve ended up with more questions than answers with this video lolol 😂
Thanks for sharing your take! I enjoyed reading your comment!!!
@@MadamHoneyB Hi, Madam - Thank you for responding. I hadn't thought about that green water which is certainly quite noticeable in the MS; I wonder if the ink or paint used in the MS to represent bath water back when has changed color over the years? Ye Olden Green Bubble Bath? But in my Euro travels, I have often seen stagnant-looking bright green water (outdoors, open to the skies) in moats around Ye Olden Buildings so perhaps that is what the artist has represented. Imagine frolicking in that thick MS mess - maybe a lost "cure" for the plague? Thanks again! - Sue Chef
Excellent work! Thank you for sharing your research and findings.
Holy crap the chanting theory is one I've never heard of. It makes perfect sense with the word and structure problem that always arises when trying to find meaning in the VM
Sir, I have been fascinated with the manuscript for years. Your take is excellent. Thank you for doing the work and putting out a very thoughtful video
So have I and I don't ever think we will know what it is
No one has ever seen text like this before even some of the best minds in the world
What an incredible scholar. His greatest asset may be his incredibly rich and measured voice. His analysis of the manuscript reveals a magnificent depth of knowledge beyond far beyond science and medicine. Had he not mentioned his medical degree, I would have assumed that he was a scholar of the classics and medieval letters. I would be intimidated to attempt a conversation with him.
Voynich is an ancient village in Poland. Wojnicz, Poland. Before Wilfrid moved to England he spelled his last name Wojnicz. Voynich is an Anglicanized spelling to make our name easier to say for English speakers.
And what does "Wojnicz" literally means, if translated to english?
@LordMountbutter it means "War"
A wonderful, thoughtful take on the manuscript. I noted 2 things that may be relevant. 1. The illustrations of bowel/intestines made me think of the treatment of colonics , a cleansing of the bowel with water, like an enema. 2. The illustration of a large flower at the bottom with a crowd of women inside the flower. You mentioned a botanist could not identify. I am no botanist, but I've done some gardening. This is a poppy! The women represent the many stamens at the centre. The small growths coming up behind the flower look exactly like -- EXACTLY -- like the seed pods of poppies. So is this suggesting the use of poppy seeds as a remedy -- i.e., opium. 3. I suggest that the use of women may be more symbolic - or even an artistic or decorative touch - at times, like women in a bath, when the bath might be in them, at least in 1 or 2 of the pictures. 4. I don't recall whether you mentioned treatments that were done at that period of history and have been lost to time. Perhaps something to be further researched. Thank you. So interesting, and makes sense.
Fascinating hypothesis and interpretation. Thank you for posting.
Absolutely fascinating! Your explanation makes so much sense. As a linguist, I have always been fascinated by this work, but I didn’t know that Voynich was Lithuanian. Makes me proud! Thanks for a great presentation.
As I was reading the sacred mushroom and the cross this book kept coming to mind the more I read on.
i had heard of this manuscript befor the internet, and followed it since , i totally agree with your synopsis ✌
Well done. Thank you. Lots of fun for me, and hard work for our good author.
A wonderful summary of the Voynich Manuscript. Hope that in the near future it will be possible to read it. Would be fantastic!
Yeah a wonderful summary but that's all it is we still don't know what the hell it means and why the hell it was written
A professor named Stephen Bax started to decode it 10 years ago and managed to read a few words. He was doing a really good job, but unfortunately he died shortly after the first video he put out. His work was really promising. Here is the link to his video and website (which is still up). m.th-cam.com/video/fpZD_3D8_WQ/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUedm95bmljaCBtYW51c2NyaXB0IHN0ZXBoZW4gYmF4
@@RedGarnett-n2p except that he just spent an hour telling you the answers to those questions
That was thoroughly enlightening! I have read, and seen much on the manuscript and you present an entirely different perspective giving new insight into what this book could be? The repetitive characters make no sense as a language at all. However, the chanting does! All women. All women who are either pregnant or, bloated due to other physical issues. I was thinking gallbladder because it causes a distension of the lower abdomen. The green water could be bile. In those times, women suffered from all sorts of natural processes and diseases that were not taken seriously. I wonder if the common urinary tract infections suffered by women especially through the times when women were sexually active played part in the illustrations of the distended abdomens inside of what looks like bladders? The manuscript could encompass everything that is of the female internal issues.
The slow methodical progress of the presentation brings you forward into insights that one has not encountered in other delves into this work. I do hope those who do come upon your work, take the time to see what lies next, patiently.
Your presentation inspires me to share this with my sister who is a professor of Native American Indian and Indian ethnomusicology. In India, she studied the ancient languages of Sanskrit, along with Hindi and Arabic. She was the first to introduce to the West ancient sacred music of India and Islam. As you know the Vedas were chanted in an epic poetry format. If one word is wrong or missing, the entire chant/spiritual text falls flat. This might be something of that nature, though in vocal/instrumental form. I will see if she would like to have a look at your work and see what she thinks? She is a professor in America as well as working for the government of India and Bollywood. She has her work formally published, and requested by the college of Oxford, China, and countries all over the world. She cut her teeth on choral music, is a professional choir director & organist (presently at a Lutheran church). She began formal musical training at the age of 6 and choral studies at age 8. She is almost 60 presently.
Quite interesting analysis. So perhaps some connecting book from Hildegard existed that is unknown was passed down and this manuscript secretly was the basis for the Voynich? The Voynich. Was not the original but it had to be encoded to escape the inquisition? Fascinating ideas. Your approach is definitely better than attempting to decipher the manuscript in written words. Perhaps some is for chants and some is describing medicinals. Thank you!
It does make sense that the bath scenes are actually representative diagrams of the digestive system etc. The characters could be some "spirits" believed to carry out functions, or "cartoon" characters added for decoration. (There are some modern cartoons which imagine characters inside the body doing things also.)
Written in code to survive the inquisition. Brilliant presentation.
That’s not what he said at all.
Didn’t you actually watch the video?
Love it: you should do more videos like this !
This beautiful piece of art has always intrigued me. I wonder if this book is when someone was trying to figure out ways to bring water into the city. It shows all of the plants roots and the moon which could be due to the use of tides. The images seem to be in some type of baths or pools with pipes connecting. I wonder about these plants and if they are all grown in and around water. Just some thought that I had about the book. This is a wonderful presentation. Thank you for sharing it!!
The first incidence of "Sunflowers", about 16:50 mins/secs in . . . to me in the manual that isn't reminiscent of a sunflower, but a 'bug eating' plant. Designed to catch. It's elongated not round. For easy and fast closing upon the 'catch'. So possible location of growth needs reconsidering.
Good job of pulling it all together
Best analysis I've seen
Thanks
This was great. I was thinking about doing a series of videos on the VM myself but I'd not get near this quality of production.
I believe the answer to manuscript lies with Pablo Amaringo and his Ayahuasca visions. The manuscript is clearly psychedelic, and probably written under the influence of magic mushrooms etc
Excellent summary.
16:18 looks like a passion flower (passiflora incarnata) Passion flowers are used in herbal medicine to treat neurological problems. I think that this manuscript is a book on medicinal plants and how to graft them. You need four nodes when you propagate. Of course I don’t have any PhD‘s or MDs behind my name, but I’ve spent a lot of time with my hands in the dirt.
Wow... 😮😮
The voynich manuscript contains an explanation of alchemy with language, writing, images, colors in ancient languages... The meaning of the image of the naked woman is the cathode element, the green water is the wave current. Star means the element of gas. Meaning of Tree image in pictures. Roots are the elemental alloys of leaves are the mixing process, flowers are the end result being energy.. 😅
To me, it is so obvious that this is mystical! Alchemy is mystical: inner transformation. Also, no corrections and different spellings suggest that these lyrics (chanting) have been repeated for many years (visit any church, songs are memorized from usage) and different spellings because different languages within this group: those who spoke Latin, and those who spoke German, and those who spoke Italian. Woman represents goddess, earth, health, reproduction and vitality of life!
i would liek to know more about your view about the vm
@@Notcurlyfrommouthwashing I have the same copy of the book as in the video. I view the spiritual world as 4D and we are in a 3D world. The source of life is 4D, such as a 4d hypersphere that at every point in space and at every moment of time this force expands in all directions at the speed of light and moves everything. When at one point of location this expanding force interacts with the other force in another point of location and this interference we view as matter, 3D objects. Since this expanding force is everywhere, one point is trapped inside these interferences. This is our 4D mind, our 4D ability to connect with the Source of Life and for us to interact with our 3D world.
@@stridedeck actually i think the voynich as to do with spiritual zodiac and a loot of conspiracy into a group (such group im sure as people like da vinci and giovanni) once i read the voynich i noticed that it as a symbol like a "z" such symbol only appears in znech bibles, for that im sure the voynich has to do with this symbols and one of his creators have something to do with znech, im sure the manuscript talk about astronomy zodiac and alchemy maybe in a future i could translate the manuscript by following this steps, i could even say the books as taints of da vinci.
@@Notcurlyfrommouthwashing Yes, and if you go deeper as to what is behind the symbolic zodiac and into Hermetic understandings in which Plato and other Greek philosophers concur with, then this takes us to fundamentals of reality.
In the pseudo-botanical section, the eagle and the lion must represent visual summaries of recipes. (1) The lion could symbolize sulfur or a solvent, and (2) the eagle’s wings suggest a volatile component in a concoction or perhaps a substance that undergoes sublimation or transformation. To me, the plants seem to be composites or stylized depictions rather than outright inventions.
The way he pronounces roots makes me chuckle
I think the plants were drawn by someone who was told what they looked like, but who had never seen them. They did pretty well, considering they were going by description only. The way the roots were drawn, segmented on some, could be because they didn't know really what the plant looked like and had to make an effort based on what they were told. Some plants have stems or roots in segments. I think the "sunflowers" are exactly that. The flowers at the top have the seeds (although it kind of looks like corn inside a flower). The other flowers have the general look of a sunflower that has not yet bloomed, so they don't show seeds in those.
Languages do exist that we don't have any examples of now. We know that's true. So if a person was writing a description of how to do something, if they didn't have the words they might use different languages together. This has to be a "note to self" kind of book about something the writer was told, and I think the same person wrote it all, but over a period of years, coming back to it at different times. Handwriting changes over time. I think it could be solved, but there wouldn't be anything fascinating in the book anyway. It's someone's notes about possible medical techniques and cures, and that person was getting the information second-hand by word of mouth. The most fascinating thing to me about it is that the plants seem to be from South America, and the words are in Spanish, Italian, some seem to be Chinese. It's a collection, and someone must have gone to or come from South America to Europe for that book to exist.
32:58 That's the letters "sa". The writer put a "tail" on the letter a all through the text. I see the word "gostuosa" on the page at 32:45. If that's the word it means "greedy" in Portuguese.
What a great mind you have Sir
...Also: you're probably right about this having been made inside a convent. The calligraphy quality of the texts indicates a careful uniformity, characteristic of members of this kimd of institution. But some copyists, obviously, are more elegant than others, who are more "clumsy" - but all are disciplined, trained and take great care when writing, drawing or painting.
Ok, at 18:37, that's a sweet potato or yam plant. I think this book was from South America. The sunflowers and the yam. And on the opposite page, it looks vaguely like a tropical vanilla bean plant, which has an orchid-like flower. Again, South America. The next pages - there are the words "cuosa." "cuosam", "sam" in the text above the plants. That probably means something. Cuosan means "rub loose" in Chinese. "buos," "raddusa"(clearing, in Italian), "atta, erosa" (eroded skin, in Italian, maybe of the plant?) "basada"(the base) at the roots. Those are all real words. I think people have approached this in the wrong way. It might even be more than one language. It's written by how something sounded to a writer, and drawn how something was described. I read old documents almost every day, and I get used to seeing distorted letters, letters written on their sides or backward, all kinds of things. I haven't read something this old, but there are words that look like Spanish or Italian words, the most obvious being basada at the roots of some plants. It's spelled two different ways here but it's the base of the plant - the root. Then one that's (best guess) a Chinese word on how to prepare the plant by rubbing the skin loose.
Seriously did you pay any attention? The book has been dated from before European exploration reached the Americas, so, No, it isn’t depicting anything from South America
Very well presented theory on the Voynich manuscript...would there not be more illustrations of the chants in the Vatican library?
Not if this written form of embodying the chants was constructed privately, as he is suggesting
the containers r called jhandi from uzebekistan. The alphabet contains 4 different character set from languages spoken in same way but written in different form. There was no consistency of a set language in the region.
The merchants/judicial holy Sindhu men started using 3,4 languages mix in order to hide the contents( depending on the knowledge of the person and area he traveled ). This was done to protect business know-how and maintain superiority at that time. The languages used by the merchants of North western Multan and Sindh were “Multani” and “Landa/Khudabadi/Mahajani” apart from other regional dialects and written words. It was what the Sindhu Mahajan’s( Merchants ) used to do. This kind of book and knowledge was in demand as people relied on auspicious moon cycles and it was part of daily life and it is still in many parts of the world.
very interesting
*"written in the spirit of Hildegard von Bingen"*
You said it wasn't a cipher text quite a few times, how is it then--"in the spirit of"--a cipher text circa 12th cent. ??
47:00 I am very much in the camp of dissenters on his theory, this is just plain terrible... I mean, just my own glancing over 15th cent. documents/manuscripts I can already find modest comparisons... and they are all different than these... not sure where he got his work from!?!? 'r' for example is a pre-Arabican numeral '4' in Italy... but, lol... I guess it's 'r' cause it 'looks' like one...
54:00 all of these paintings are quite interesting, but where are they from exactly?? They appear woven not drawn! Also the stars are a DEAD match, but how significant is this in actuality?? Many places have their own styles, this doesn't mean they are necessarily connected by hand--only in style, very much in how The Beatles influenced modern rock & roll... but didn't make any of it@
considering the depiction of a spiral galaxy in a book of the early 15th century and the fact that optical lenses where known BC in ägypt, it seems to me the telescope must have been invented and forgotten way before galileo did.
Was the anatomical knowledge postulated available at the proposed time the manuscript was written?
What about the work of Ahmet Ardic and his sons?
They found that it was mainly written in old turkish and have already translated whole pages of the Voynich Manuscript in 2018.
They created a website called turkicresearch and shared two videos in english on the youtube channel Voynich Manuscript Research. Please look into this. They have some amazing insight regarding this matter and deserve the credit.
"Ata Team Alberta (ATA) has deciphered and translated over 30% the manuscript. Currently, a formal paper of the philological study was submitted to an academic journal in John Hopkins University" - this is a quote from 2018
Those guys didn't decipher or translate anything. They started with a bias because they are Turkish and then went from there. There's a reason nobody has heard from them since they made that claim.
The chanting theory comes from some people claiming to have translated 30% of the manuscript as they say the manuscript is written in a phonetic way of ancient Turkish and that the words repeat a lot to make a beat type rhythm.
I do not believe he came up with the chanting theory independently.
So the speaker's theory is not an original idea, in my opinion.
He said Turing broken the Enigma code. Turing didn't break the Enigma code. The Polish did. The English just built on what the Polish had already done.
3:50 Stomach ulcers. I'm Australian and had a perforated duodenal ulcer when I was 20 in 1983. Ended up in emergency... doubled over in agony. My abdominal muscles tightening in cramp every couple of minutes.
Not that there was much urgency given to me or my case as I was not given any medical attention till the morning, when the Dr turned up for work at their normal time.
After I recovered and went for a follow up visit with the Surgeon who said I must be stressed and that's why I developed an ulcer because of excess stomach acid. I scoffed and told him I'm the least stressed person he's ever known and that the ulcer was due to something else. He insisted I must have some unknown stress causing excess stomach acid. I told him the only stress I have is his not believing me that I'm not stressed.
So even with the 1982, confirmation by Australians that Heliobacter pylori was the cause of stomach ulcers, it wasn't being acknowledge in the medical world in 1983.
I hope my Surgeon recognised their error in not listening to their patient once they had learnt about H Pylori.
Also. The speaker in this video has made errors and refused to acknowledge them, much the way the medical world refused to believe that a bacteria was the cause of stomach ulcers.
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Yeah, so the moral of the story is, just because they have letters after their name due to formal studies, doesn't mean they have some special insights beyond what most people have.
They are human. Fact check everything.
Speaker has never said he alone decoded the manuacript, he did not even said he knew about aound theory independently. Do u have ASD? Ulcer has no connection with how soeaker interpret language. Aren’t you also claiming that the researchers are “claiming “ what u think they are?
You know nothing about the great work of Alan Turing. Just continue to live your life in the outback mate.
Just MY unprofessional observations about the manuscript itself:
It would appear the index type page with bullet point stars on a string in left margin was written by someone right handed. The bullet points also suggest a left to right writing format, as does the subtle slope as the text progresses down the page.
Noted some of the animals have curly toes, as the 'clubs' icon in a deck of cards, rather than hooves etc. Some plants too.
Some month names etc added to centre of zodiac that looks more in line with more modern western characters compared to those in the manuscript. Someone also noted Sagittarius was depicted as a man with crossbow rather than a centaur.
The faces drawn are quite cute too
The coloured paints used is also of interest, and if they associate with other time periods.
A scientific sample of ink suggested carbon dating to around 1404-1438. Nb The skin/parchment could be older?
Paint and parchment expensive, so one would naturally think the manuscript was real or why else waste a lot of valuable money.
Have heard that ancients/manuscripts may have links to music/healing frequencies etc.
Interesting to hear chants.
Some ancients used clay? body parts trinkets which scholars think was representative of an ailment they had on that part of the body and sought a remedy/healing.
Different people have different views, ie the dragon.
Could the grafted or segments of roots indicate something about how many different harvest seasons that particular plant is “good for” or has the most “potent/beneficial” amount of whatever the medicinal properties are? And the chanting- i think it has something to do with specific frequencies-as a lot of old temples/ancient structures incorporate designs for specific sound frequencies and the different parts of human body, mind and soul to which they connect and/or heal. The animal/plant grafts could indicate which particular “season” that plant needs to be harvested-much like today’s “deer/elk/bear hunting” seasons. Or could relate to some astrological animal sign of time of harvest (as for some medicinal properties, some plants need harvesting before or after the time most consider as ripe” I also think some of the astrology stuff could relate to the timing of a woman’s menses and the associated mood changes based on a type of lunar or similar cycle. All speculative of course, as I’m just beginning my journey into the research of studying this intriguing manuscript.
Ty for this understanding
thanks for this video, when I saw another youtube video about it I looked at many stars and saw star anise herb on the pages. Star Anise is an estrogenic herb.
I guess that the plats and their parts are symbolic for real plants and parts, but drawn in a fashion not to be recognizable. When a plant is recognized as something, that may still not be the plant symbolized. The grafting feature is probably a method used to make the drawings more simple by omittting uninteresting parts or to mark where plants shall be cut before use.. The language in the manuscipt is probably an European language, but with the grammar modified to make it look very different. The word order could be highly modified.
Prepositions or auxiliaries may be moved and changed into affixes, and so on.The alphabet may contain several letters for the same sound and used randomly to confuse.Upon that, the text is probably encrypted with some technical method, which even may differ systematically from line to line or the like. Many drawings look childish, but I think this is a feature used to speed up the drawing process.
I think the text decribe accurate receits and procedures and are not primarily chantings for healing or the like. But some of the text may be chants belonging to some procedure. Still the whole text may be written in a style so that it can be sung, by students together to enhance learning. The repeated prefixes can be articles, comjunctions or the like, and the repeated endings something like this too. But they can be dummy elements to make the singing more rhytmic.
It almost looks like a mirror image of the text is easier to key the code. Your interpretations sound logical.
How can you explain something indecipherable?
Second try;: the re-occurrence of the 8 and 9’s between the different writers could well be the pitch difference of the voices doing the chanting/singing
Excellent job
Brilliant! Thanks
I think there's a possibility that the pictures of plants are recipes, chimeras made up of parts from different plants!
The Alan Turing movie mentioned "The Enigma Game" is well worth a visit. Good movie and introduces viewers to Alan Turing and important achievement he made which was an essential contribution that changed the course of the war.
Your tie resembles a golden Turkish head!
First self help book
Thank you that was fascinating
It was found not only by Voynich from Lithuania, but also deciphered in Lithuania by a Lithuanian researcher of Ukrainian origin!
It has not been deciphered so don’t wave your flag too much. Further finding the book of you are an antiquarian book dealer is hardly a cause for Lithuanian national pride. All voynich did was buy the book
About "no correction" i think, either they had a draft copy and they just rewrote, or they they have a symbol for correction. Ex this is a miss(remove last character sign)take
Chinese culture has traditions of women creating seperate secret languages hidden in decorative art.
So the whole idea of women in a convent creating a seperate unique language to protect themselves from outside authority is a real possiblity.
A widely informed and simpatico speaker - a don & an artist - on an intriguing mystery. 🤔 (Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉
The father of the computer is John Vincent Atanassoff.
Or 10 other people depending on whom you ask
So... florals, essences, mantras, astrology -- an early inception of New Age?
Old school spell book. Wikid😎
Can you read the language? Ty
It's an interesting and persuasive hypothesis. But of course it still can't be proven without some sort of translation.
Why do you classify German with Latin and Italian as a Romance language?
Great assessment
So yea what ya got it look like is a botany book on hallucinogenic plant its coded so a person dosent go find them probably but its a mimosa tree opening its leaves
In the "biological" section, the illustrations refer to PLANTS, not to the feminin reproductive system. The women are represented inside plants, inside botanical organisms. Spreadind seeds, promenading through stems and roots, bathing in sap (that's why the water is green). Or relaxing in leaves. About the language, you're right: it is meant to be not read, but sang. It is meant to COMMUNICATE with the vegetable world. Strange? Well - not really, maybe...
An interesting presentation! As an art historian specialised in Renaissance Italy, I must say that (1) The illustrations are of an appalling quality. They might and should have been done much better. (2) Many medieval manuscripts have as their marginal illustrations plant-animal fantasy hybrids. The illustrations found here are not surprising, as they are a continuation of such marginal hybrids. As a linguist, (1) German is a Germanic language and sounds different in every respect from the Romance languages. I am afraid that intoning the text in a Germanic language is a non-sequitur. (2) I believe that the text is not a real text at all. There is at least one page where all the 'words' have four letters. The main example that you give, with so many repetitions even on one page, seems to me a graphic form of echolalia - it looks beautiful. As a scholar generally, I therefore believe that this manuscript was made for fun. It cannot be read. In crude illustrations it shows the insides of women's bodies, perhaps 'travelling through them', that were just being discovered scientifically - autopsies were (grudgingly) allowed in academia for the first time. For instruction purposes, there were beautiful drawings and wax models made of a fetus in the womb (now in museums). You believe the manuscript was about disorders, I believe it was about the construction and workings of the female body, but it is the same difference, so to speak. The idea of water does not need explaining. This connects with the theory of the four humours. Not only is the body filled with fluids, but the lining of the womb is expelled once a month. When pregnant, there is even more water around. In all, I believe this manuscript is a very, very sloppily executed early fifteenth century hoax that does not contain verbal information. Though deliciously tantalising, it is not up to par and I understand why this is one of the manuscripts that the library decided to sell.
I am sorry you feel you have to criticize so harshly. Clearly, this is not an attempt to be artistic, nor to pursue a degree in Fine Arts, but merely illustrative, done by one who had a message important enough to themselves to be worth the effort.
My criticism is not meant to be harsh. I state that it is not up to a par with the many, many fine examples that you can find from this area in this period. It is a manuscript, written on animal skin, and manuscripts were prohibitively expensive to make in materials alone. The fact that it is not great art makes it that much more of mystery. Who would have the money to create a manuscript and then commission an amateur artist? I thought that was clear but I see now that it wasn't. @@donnatroicuk3824
to clarify more: text and illustrations were done by specialists. One (or more) for text, and one (or more) for illustrations. It really is a mystery how this manuscript came about.
I thought the same thing having to do with music. Not bad for a guy with autism. I surprise myself a lot.
Thanks for this excellent and well-researched video. It presents several intriguing points I hadn't encountered before. However, I disagree with your main conclusion. Connecting this manuscript to a person who lived two hundred years earlier seems like wishful thinking in my opinion. It would require a secret language and a complex set of instructions to be passed down across several generations, in hermetical secrecy, and leaving zero historical and archaeological footprint outside of this specific set of pages. Nothing exists in a cultural vacuum; even esoteric and forbidden knowledge is often referenced elsewhere or drawn from previous works. Other rare and mysterious languages appear in more than one inscription, and they often show the evolution of these scripts over time. This manuscript is a unique oddity with no parallels, precedents, or connections to any culture or language.
A healing manual would not typically feature absurd fictional plants, and the argument that any plant would work as long as the right astrological data is used falls apart when you see that the astrological pages are every bit as random and fantastical as the plants. The stars are depicted in decorative geometrical patterns that don't correspond to the orbits of any planets or match any constellations. Additionally, for a document allegedly composed by a monastic order, this manuscript is suspiciously devoid of religious imagery. Even non-Christian alchemists and scholars incorporated some Christian symbology and allegories into their work. The almost complete absence of Judeo-Christian elements in this manuscript is another red flag, suggesting that it was intentionally composed to appear as obscure and untraceable as possible.
I'm, of course, not an expert in languages or cryptography. I don't know if it was created as an unsolvable puzzle to prank potential deciphers or as a hoax to sell to a collector of rare tomes, but I don't believe this manuscript has ever had a meaning; it's purposely random. On this point, I agree with one of your conclusions: it can't be translated because there is nothing to translate there.
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I believe it's written in 5 distinct dead languages, qnd the pictures are spiritual rituals
If they were languages cryptographer and linguists would have been able to identify them. Contrary to what you think there aren’t multiple dead languages to vanished through the face of humanity in the last six years. Certainly not in Europe.
Deciphered or explained hehe
I like this mans logical method of thinking. I wonder if this would have happened as an effect of a community of restricted or inprisoned women, maybe a woman church that turned into a cult trying to make sense of their isolation. Thus the befuddling obvious talent of the work along with the appearing near fantasy interpratations.
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Hildegard von Bingen lived NOT in "Germany". She lived in the Holy Roman Empire. Northern Italy was part of that.
I appreciate the video and will continue watching now. But paused @ 8:41, where it is said that some academic knowledge is needed.
In actuality, don’t let academic pursuits get in the way of obtaining true knowledge within. All is known already. We just need to tap into that Space, with intent for Higher/Source first. Then all else is added into thee. Not trying to preach here. Just saying, look within. The answers are there. And this ‘method’ avoids any mistakes in understanding.
It would be helpful to all, to look at the text as all having spiritual meaning.
For instance, the plant which roots in the earth, the braid, the female organs. Many cultures use this symbolism. Think of the Mother aspect. Yet, it is also Father, depending on the on the function at hand. Braided into each other; not one, not two. The glorious plant which cannot be seen by looking outward, as one normally thinks of the looking.
I’d say the author of the text was a spiritual master.
Bathing is the cleansing within. Clearing of the dross. The water is the cleansing spiritual waters. And the Living Waters. Whereas fire would be related to the burning of the dross, water must first interact with the elements. We must see where there is entanglement. With the spiritual work, through meditation, one can be presented with errors made, and how to remedy the resulting dysfunction.
A conduit is also a term used for how energy travels.
The physical vessel houses the conduit of energy from Source. Kundalini energy.
The bowels, and all of the organs, are related to the hell realms. We must traverse these congested elements, entwined within organs, like a matrix, in order to see the Lights of the Bardo.
One woman pulling the other one’s hair…
Hair is related our entanglement within the hell realm. The hair gets pulled because we are not turning inward. We have the lower soul and the upper Soul. The lower soul as if fights against itself. As if deluded, due to the uncleanliness.
A toroid is also depicted in animation, as spiraling.
Star type shapes are to be found in geometric patterns, such as the poly tetrahedron, which spiritual depicts the wisdom body. Also consider the shapes within geometric patterns such as the Tree of Life. And the 8 pointed symbol could relate to the 8 petals seen within the yantra, symbolized on vajras, etc.
All of these subject matters, though seen by many to represent health, astrology and so forth… all relate to spiritual matters. Therefore, they are not separate subjects in reality, but a means to communicate about system we find ourselves in. The system in which we are placed because we do lack inner knowledge. The key is to look to divine. Then all unfolds in an awe inspiring work that no man can fathom. It must be lived.
This work transcends region of origin. It is as old as Time, no matter when put to page.
Astrology depicts the inner cycle.
Naked women are the unclothed spirit. The spiritual work is about the missing royal robe, when in the fallen state. Although, the Natural Essence comes to mind as well, in relation to nakedness. Solomon speaks to this too, as do other sacred texts.
Hildegard is an awesome example of one looking to spirit for answers. I’ve only seen some of her work, but found that to be symbolic as well. Definitely, Hildegard does embody the text. A Master is not the physical vessel, but animates the physical vessel to transpart divinity to humankind.
@31:51 we see five women and one below them. Perhaps relating to the 5 elements which Mother works upon. Just like a depiction of the Mother Goddess with 5 snakes upon her head.
4, 0 and stylized H: I don’t know the code being used. What’s coming to me though is Hum!
As many Hindu sacred commandments (to the spirits) start off with. A declaration; Hear me!
Let it rest upon us, as we view the page. Inner divinity is seeing it for us. As Mr. Plioplys says, maybe for the chanting. And chanting of higher language starts to come about naturally, as divine works upon the Spiritual vessel.
The writing could be a group activity in that there is the Godhead. We could consider the Godhead to be 3. Or we could see it as 26 frequencies, again depending on the purpose at hand. And each frequency justifying the others.
Of course, with this inner work, comes healing too. Perhaps also, the herbs themselves carry these frequencies, as all of Nature is a grand symphony.
I would say there were no errors in the text. Thus, no need to make any corrections. That’s why corrections are not found there. What might seem like an error, is simply knowledge yet hidden.
Mit Logik und Verstand kommt man sehr wohl weiter.
Viele Forscher schiessen sich einzig auf "Schrift" des Codex ein, damit sie sich gewaltig herumplagen, wobei die Schrift im Codex keinen Sinn macht, das sollte mittlerweile klar sein. Dennoch lässt sie die "Schrift" entschlüsseln, wenn man weiss wie man es machen muss.
Man muss den Codex innerhalb seiner Entstehung betrachten, dabei von der Forschung ein gewaltiger Fehler gemacht wird, oder zumindest von all den Pseudo-TH-cam-Forschern, die sich auf die C-14 Karbon-Alters-Analyse berufen, welche eine Zeitspanne zwischen 1404 und 1448 ergibt.
Damit nun jene Forscher allen Ernstes behaupten, der Codex wurde in jener Zeit niedergeschrieben, was schon mal fatal ist, sprich falsch. Da waren die Beobachtungen vor der C-14 Methode präziser da die immer schon das beginnende 16. Jh. erwähnt haben, was auch stimmt, also Jahrzehnte später als die Karbon-Methode verrät, darin es nur um das Pergament geht, nicht um die Niederschrift.
Also findet man die Wahrheit über den Codex selbst und so seine Macher, die in Teilen bekannt sind, als einer Geheimgruppierung die so Geheim nicht war.
Dabei die Seitenzählung des Codex sehr aufschlussreich ist, was scheinbar niemand bemerkt haben will, wie auch gewisse Symbole im Codex, die einem enorm weiterhelfen das Umfeld der Entstehung einzugrenzen.
Alles was falsch darin erscheint und das ist vieles, findet man in jener Zeit ausserhalb des Codex.
Der Brief der dem Manuskript 1912 beilag führt in die Irre.
Kaiser Rudolf II. hat den Codex geerbt, er befand sich zuvor bereits im Kaiser-Haus der Habsburger und wurde von Kaiser Maximilian I., vielmehr seiner Frau Bianca Maria Sforza in Auftrag gegeben.
Die Leitung besass ein gewisser Julius Caesar Scaliger, ein höchst sonderbarer Mensch, der am Gardasee geboren wurde, wo auch der Codex niedergeschrieben wurde, nämlich in Lazise.
Jener Julius Caesar Scaliger taucht später beim berühmten Seher NOSTRADAMUS auf, der nichts mit dem Codex zu Schaffen hatte.
Vielmehr aber ganz bestimmte hochadelige Familien in Italien, wie die Borgia, die Sforza, die D'Este und die von Aragons.
Der erste Schritt der Entschlüsselung geht über die Seite 1, die beiden grossen Symbole, wer die entschlüsseln kann, kommt auf den Weg und findet ausserhalb des Codex, die entsprechenden Symbole und Hinweise.
Die scheinbar 14 fehlenden Seiten sind Fake, ihre Seitenzählung verrät die Zahl 1052, die eine ganz bestimmte Bedeutung hat.
Teilt man die Zahl durch die Zahl 9, kommt dabei die Seitenzahl von 116,888... unendlich heraus, oder die Symbol-Zahl 8,888... unendlich, eigentlich ein Sinnbild der Symbol-Zahl 888, in ewiger Reihenfolge der Verehrung der Hl. Jungfrau Maria.
Wer sich vertiefter mit dem Codex befasst, merkt das es eine Art MARIEN-LITHURGIE sein muss, MARIA für die Seele des Menschen steht und so weiter und so fort.
Die Zahl 116 kommt noch in einem anderen Zusammenhang vor, über die Symbolik Gaius Julius Caesar.
Bedenkt als Forschende, wir befinden uns mit dem Codex am Beginn des 16.Jh. Papst Alexander VI. und Julius II.
Und dort finden sich so manche Antworten, die der Codex eindeutig und korrekt offenbart.
So kommt man letztlich auf den Code der Entschlüsselung, der vor Jahren von einem mir bekannten Forscher, der anderes zu Tun hat, als den Codex zu übersetzen, der Beinecke Library, der Yale Universität per E-Mail zugesandt worden ist.
Leider sind diese Institute so sehr von sich und der eigenen Forschung eingenommen, dass sie solche E-Mails unbeantwortet lassen und vermutlich von vorneweg Löschen, selber Schuld.
Wer also Lust und den Willen hat, beginne die Arbeit auf Seite 1, der beiden grossen Symbolen, damit der Weg der Entschlüsselung seinen Anfang nimmt, viel Spass dabei.
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The Voynich manuscript is a multi-dimensional language based on cubes and volume displacement. First you take the mirror image of each character or 'letter' and over lay it to make a complete symbol, then you turn that image 90° and over lay it, then 180° and over lay it and keep turning it and over laying it until you can create a three dimensional image inside a six sided cube. Then you calculate the volume displacement of the area left inside the cube that the three dimensional image of the symbol has left 'vacant' assign it a numerical value, then add the inverted total of the volume the character displaces and there is your true cipher. Now you can talk to God. It is also related to the very earliest phonetic version of language that became Turkish. You take this cipher and bring it all the way back down to binary so there can be no possibility of confusion, either it's on or its off, now take the phonetic language of the earliest form of Turkish, give it's characters a numerical value, bring those down to binary, repeat with earliest Egyptian, Hebrew, Chaldean, Assyrian, Sanskrit. Match the pattern in binary and then bring it back up. Don't forget the concept of zero didn't exist yet so you need to take into account the original numbering system of Europe that was based on 1-9. 11 dimensions. 9-11
Very creative! 😅 You forgot to mention, that the whole thing is just about to read verse ten (between nine and eleven), and that the rest of the V-MS is only decoration. 🍀🐛🌼🚺
@@Alexander_Rezner The reason for the illustrations is to make you think three dimensional instead of a 2 dimensional script.
I think you only studied the pictures to know the whole books it should be you know the text or knowing how to read it
Ancient Turkish language before the majority of European languages existed
Interesting. Makes sense
Those witches
has anyone considered the possibility that the persond didn't know how to draw very well??? I mean, just saying u-u
Did they tried lithuanian language?
The repeated syllables in the beginning are obviously g - o - t - t , god.
The trouble is that your methods are hardly scientific and much of your work is based on the works of other people who were either shown to be in error, or, - themselves frequently used methods far removed from Logic of Hypothesis Testing. People frequently forget that science is a type of philosophy called Natural Philosophy, and it's the "natural" part that makes it so powerful and practical. (And CORRECT in its descriptions and predictions). Whether something sounds the same to an online AI program is an extremely dubious method because veracity of its solutions hasn't been scientifically validated for doing with it what you have done. It doesn't even allow one to TEST its engine before buying, - a "buyer beware" product. It recommends to enter punctuation marks Voynich Manuscript has none, as you yourself said. It is limited in a number of (very modern) languages. It is also unknown how exactly you entered the text and which version and which parameters you set, for example, did you enter the text in, "by recommended" "line at a time" or all at once? This is important so others could at the very least replicate your results.
None of that means you're incorrect about what the book actually is. It just means there is no way to verify if you are correct, and whether you got the rest correctly. But already I'm getting very pessimistic vibes from the presentation. Would the Holy Inquisition be less or MORE likely to burn a book they don't understand, full of Nightshade-resembling plants and naked women? I reserve some doubts there. Looks like vile witchcraft even to my untrained non-medieval-Catholic-Liberal-Agnostic self. And the explanation for why the plants look like they were genetically engineered in some High School lab by Botany students 1000 years into the future... not too convincing...
I think this is an inadvertent "hoax" by an ecstatic, eccentric, and erratic brain at the time, yes they had those back then.
Telsia Lithuania interesting
I always felt that this manuscript was akin to A Book of shadows, Grimoire perhaps?
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