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WOW!!! You Made Your Videos SO CREATIVE!!!
Now now, how do you prepare all of this so quick?
Mh
I heard it is some kind of old "Turkish" and some people have analysed it
But well I wonder, if that was a lie
I guess u searched well enough before doing a video
But in that video they claim ist is some kind of turkish
Yours sincerely Lloyd
ALREADY TRTANSLATED FEW YEARS AGO
Wow I love this episode. Thank you. Love learning about history.
Imagine being able to decipher this book and the first line says: This book is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legend, more on that at the end of the book.
*In the middle of the Book*
And that is how the Nordic Gods came to be and were immortalized by man, speaking of Nord have you tried Nord VPN ?
Best comments ever 🤣🤣
more like the book warns us about the dangers of Women's lib and allowing feminists to run rampant??
if only we had known....if only there was a warning
oh right forgot there's been countless warnings in our entertainment, comedies mainly but sometimes Sci-Fi and fantasy....
I was about to swallow my food when I saw your comment. I nearly suffocated there.
Well done, Sir!
*proceeds to yeet the ancient book back to wherever it came from*
I'm gonna become a famous scientist just so I can write a book full of bs and weird symbols and have it taken seriously to annoy historians for the next 600 years.
Bruh, someone prolly already done that
And we out here like: hmmm, what must be this ancient knowledge
I mean you don't actually need to become a famous scientist
Just write one,soil it,put it in a construction site at night.
And voila an ancient book and you won't need to wait 600 years for it
@@LioncatDevStudio It isn't that simple. This book can actually be traced pretty far back and a 100 year of scientific advancement have failed to find anything that suggests it is a fake.
Also, it is not just jibberish because experts who look at it say it is made like an actual language, that is almost impossible to feign and this was unknown both when the book was made and in 1912.
Likely, it is either the worlds best code or it is a made up language. Something is likely written down there, be it alchemy, a secret cookbook, politics or something else.
You can certainly fake something and get it on the "Ancient aliens" show but I doubt you could make something that fools the entire scientific community for over 100 years.
Then again, there are more interesting things to decode then this, like Linear A for instance. It is one of the ancient languages we still can't read that could give us a lot of knowledge about the past.
thats a whole fuckin mood my guy
I've always thought that the handwriting of the manuscript is truly a work of art. Its so neat and smooth that I always wondered if the author wrote like that in potentially other languages as well. I feel pictures don't do it justice. Just once in my life i wish I could see it first hand with my own eyes. Sadly I highly doubt that'd ever happen.
Why won't it happen?
@@sarka4727 I have no means or connections to get to it. If I recall correctly the manuscript isn't available to the public for viewing.
@@murasakirin8998 its not available to the public? Who made that rule? And where is it located?
@@sarka4727 its in the Yale universities private collection. As a non public location its impossible to see in person without the right connections. The most I can hope to see of it are the complete scans which I think are publicly available through Yale's website, but I haven't check the site so that very well might be access locked too (though I doubt it).
@@murasakirin8998 why would the book be privated but they made scans of it exactly as is public when/if it has the same content? That's kinda weird/suspicious. Lol
Great video as per usual! I LOVE learning about the Voynich Manuscript, it's so fascinating!! Regarding when Thoughty was discussing how new theories are brought up by new young scientists; then are batted down by older scientists, saying something like 'batting their theories out of the park' I got confused about what Thoughty was saying. Usually, the phrase "hitting/batting it out of the park" is a good thing. It refers to hitting a Homerun in baseball, literally hitting the baseball over the fence, and hitting one out of the entire park is a way of saying even better than expected, totally nailed it.
I only explain because I realized that Baseball is known as America's favorite pastime, wasn't sure if it's a sport that's been adopted in other countries; which would explain why ppl in other countries would be unfamiliar with 'baseball phrases'.
I'm reading a horror book in braille. Something bads about to happen, I can feel it.
that was so bad it's good
tata tch
*@Handsome B. Wonderful*
☘ ️ Eye think that's a Pretty Corny-a joke, Handsome. 😏
Or is it Wonderful.? 🖖
Swans
Haha so stupid
Imagine how many other books like this were lost in the Burning of the Library of Alexandria
Cullen T I can’t even imagine how much Knowledge and Wisdom got lost in that Fire. It’s one of those moments in time I would love to have been there just to observe. Another one would be watching the Knights Templar while diggin in the old Tempel of Salomon XD
@@ParkerPG Im interested the story behind Knights Templar and them digging Temple of Solomon, can you provide more context?
@@kirahokuten357 they started out with just 9 Knights in there Order and in just a few Years they became the most powerful and richest (even though they called themselvs Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon) of all the Orders of Chivalry in the Holy Land. There is a lot of speculation and Conspiracy theory about the Templars and nobody can really say what did or did not happend, thats why i said i would love to just be there observe and record History. If you want to know more just start diggin by yourself and try to piece together everything you find. In the end you cant be sure what is true and what is not but believe me its a lot of Fun.
Funfact: I live in Berlin (Germany) and we got a District called Tempelhof( first mentioned in 1247 AD). It was named by the Templar Order because they owend the Land and had a Commandery there. The Village Church is still standing today and you can trace the lower structure of Boulders back to that Commendery. I've been there once just to touch History XD
@@ParkerPG Thank you for that information. So they were looking for the Temple of Solomon?
Must have been pretty nice to visit that village church :D
@@kirahokuten357 No they weren't. The King gave them a wing of the Royal Palace, on the Temple Mount, as a Headquarter. The belief is that the Temple Mount is on top the ruins of the Temple of Solomon.
I bought this book for my classroom and it was so fun to go thru it together! We came up with ideas and theories to the meaning of each page! Really awesome text. Since it’s accessible to no one, it’s accessible to everyone. Pretty cool.
I hope your not indoctrinating your students with racism thru disgusting CRT or pushing pronouns down their throats. I hope you are a real educator. If you are God bless you if you’re not you are destroying the world and your students minds teachers like that are incredibly evil and ignorant. In the 90s when I was in school teachers were highly respected I even wanted to be a teacher like the few that stood out to me and I remember to this day as amazing teachers that truly helped me. However nowadays all these woke indoctrinators posing as educators are giving teachers a really really bad name.
wait, what?
@@katelijnhovestad8382 you can buy reprints of the book
@@sarahschouveller1993 yeah i got that far lol
What if Voynich Manuscript is just a child’s drawing book from the past?
You my friend are the only person to get it right. I was going to comment this as it's own comment. It's funny how it's caused so much confusion but all I can say is. This kid has really neat handwriting.
@@adriantagel8577 why would they not be a childs? Who are you to know what a child back then is even like. Also the fact that child would have to be of some royal lineage to have materials needed to even write that. Paper and pen were definitely hard to come by at that point. Doesn't look like they really possessed the capability to write at that point though. If anyhow that was some encryption I'm sure AI would be able to solve it by now
@@9godofthe6ix Not sure if you're dumb or just weird.
Paper and writing was very hard to come by back then for normal Folk so I had to be someone from royalty and the drawings in there are very extremely detailed and almost perfectly articulate things like plant cells and galaxies very very extremely unlikely for a child drawing book
@@9godofthe6ix Adults could barely read and write back then let alone children, this might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Imagine we decode it and it’s just this guys diary he writes in every time he trips on acid.
I thought the way to decode is was to take acid and then try to read it.
It is very likely this is drug infused artist blabber. We have alot of it now. The only difference is the usage of nonsensical "characters"
More likely the author was eating ergot mold from rye bread. Which is what lsd was eventually synthesized from in 1938.
@@WindRipples- ive never taken drugs or know how it feels but if it had been written while he was on a certain drug then wouldnt he have made mistakes? or wrote in a slanted manner etc.
@@wartooth88 or shrooms and or mad honey
patient shows the Voynich manuscript to his doctor
doctor: "I can't read this"
Patient: "How does it feel?"
Doctor: "Very frustrating"
Underrated comment.. loved it😂😂
You know a doctor is bad when he has no patience
I dont get it
@@curly5330 The doctor's prescription was written in illegible writing that's make's difficult to read for the average person (before using the computer), people have had difficulty for generations in understanding what the doctor writes
@@davidperets9997 oh
Having read up on this book some time ago, the con, was considered to be the writer from the original century it was written. Many at that time were trying to sell items of antiquity to rich buyers. As no one, not even computers have been able to read it, it can only be considered gibberish.. We can only guess the con artist got a good price for it.
I think the only thing that can be said for certain is whoever wrote and drew this manuscript had an incredible imagination.
I feel like this is exactly what's going to happen to the alien species that finds the 'Golden Record' flying through space lol
Lol, you’re probably right 😂
Got this image of them saying “what the fuck is this shit?”
Was thinking the exact thing
Do you mean voyager 1 because its inside voyager 1
well it's so slow nobody will ever find it. Aside that the disc was created to be read by even non-humans and not created to not be read from everybody which is rather the case with the Voynich.
They'll think it's the instructions for the Voyager, and toss it, we don't need this 😂
Plot twist: the person who wrote it just had horrible handwriting.
facts
Aphora XD I don’t think that’s the case because I read in an article that the whole book is errorless
Considering that it has hundreds of pages without a single error or mistake, it must have been written by someone extraordinary!
@@rutvikdave1929 I read somewhere how that was done, we already had other books with no mistake. I just forgot how they did it..
Maybe dyslexic
Rutvik Dave I mean like its a joke but interesting none the less.
I'm so excited! I had quite the imagination as a child. I buried a creepy mask that I made when I was like, 10, along with a madeup language and drawings. I zipped them carefully up in several freezer bags, and buried them several feet down in a patch of woods... Just think: Some human is going to find that gosh- knows- when, and I'm going to be infamous. I guess. Oh well 🙃🤷♀️
yeah right
This is actually one of my favorite topics! I happened to come across the Voynich Manuscripts purely by coincidence and found it completely fascinating! Thanks for doing this video to help inform others on this deep rooted mystery!
The dude probably just made his own secret language for some of his friends and made a book literally just to annoy the hell out of people in the future
I mean, I would. Playing a similar long con on my kids.
but why can noone decode it?
@@nostalji75 Well if its a real but undiscovered language or a fake language that was well designed it would be impossible to solve it without a point of reference. Take for example Egyptian, until we found the Rosetta stone, nobody had any idea where to even start with that language, so at best you could only guess based on context and while that might work a little you can't really be sure what any of the shapes actually mean because a single shape could have multiple meanings, and cultural background that nobody alive knows about.
We've occasionally figured out languages from the past because there is a known language with a similar background and writing styles, but nobody really knows where this book comes from, and there are thousands of languages out there (roughly 6,500), with a hundred or so that look quite similar to what we see in the book. So it all just amounts to guess work rather then clear proof that someone has translated the language found within.
If its a secret code (given the book looks like it has alchemist in mind, that is not unheard of, many alchemist in the past hid their notes in cook books, medical books and so on.) we'd need a cipher of some kind, a point of reference to start from. This can usually be guessed for more modern things, but you still need a point of reference to get started, we don't have that. Our only reference is the book itself and its unique artwork.
@@FastForwardPlans I would agrue that there are many points of reference to start from. If the book made sense somehow the pictures would provide context. You could investigate repeating words and their pattern, look for similarities to known languages and codes. With enough text like in the book or your example the Rosetta stone it should be easy to decode this book with todays means.
@@nostalji75 We had way more egyption text then that book has words and pictures. We also had a whole currently living culture, knowledge of the culture of the time, examples of language from that time period who interacted closely with egypt, and all sorts of other things. Yet like I said nobody agreed on where to start so attempts were all over the place.
It took the rosette stone for the translation process to really start. With most of the words we guessed before then either outright wrong or only right because they were symbols still being currently used, and even then they only partly covered what those words actually meant and not really how they were used.
We know nothing about the origins of this book, what culture it came from, what cultures might have interacted with the writer. All we know about this books origins is the writer was from 600 years ago, had handwriting that implies they were fairly well educated, and they were somewhere in Europe. You'd think that plus the book itself is a lot. But it's really not.
I just want to make clear, because there is still a lot of confusion surrounding this: The recent claim you may have seen has not yet been independently verified and when all previous claims have been independently verified they have proved false. So it may have been translated but we still can't definitively say that it has.
Bullshit
Yes daddy
Noah's Ark and Emilia Earhart have been found dozens of times.
They also stopped uploading on their youtube page. I call BS
its just a turkish vegetation encslopedia
This book was almost certainly written by a medieval alchemist. The subjects in the book are things that alchemists were interested in, and medieval alchemists were a weird, secretive bunch. Writing a book in code or an invented language was exactly the kind of thing they would do. The author may have been the only one who knew the “language”, or he could have shared it with a few initiates.
All I know about alchemy I have mostly learned second hand from studying the life of Isaac Newton. The resemblance of the drawings and the overall look of the script to pages of Newton’s own writings on alchemy is uncanny. Of course the book wasn’t written by Newton, but the similarity in style and content does make you realize that Newton was essentially a medieval man. Anyway, this is pretty obviously some kind alchemical treatise. The fanciful plants make sense in the context of alchemy. Some of the drawings are really quite charming and were probably full of hidden meanings for initiates. The subsequent medieval owners of the book who did not know the code or language must have been driven mad with frustration, sure that the book was the repository of precious, lost ancient knowledge. Sadly, it is only the repository of nonsense because alchemy was nonsense.
one of the leading theories is that it's a written language lost to time, and part of the problem with translating it is it's a language no one in modern times actually speaks. Ciphers are easy, trying to read text when you don't speak the underlying language? good luck with that.
It's written in old Turkish and has since been translated. No secrets or crazy stuff was discovered by translating it unfortunately.
@@toxicavenger6172source?
This is honestly the most likely explanation.
@@markvickroy6725he made it the fuck up
I really love your videos. You are so witty! Thoroughly entertaining, and with fascinating subjects too. Currently enjoying going through your back catalog.....I'm enjoying the journey!
Handwriting when the teacher says: "5 minutes left" during the exam
Lo😂 Take a bow
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As a teacher; reading the last couple pages of an exam is exactly like this.
666 likes... Illuminati confirmed.
Alien just landing back on his home planet: _oh shit, i left my diary! Nah, I'm sure no one's gonna notice..._
Imola Szilagyi
This is probably correct.
Just think about that, this would be so awesome. Maybe it would explain why we cant read it. I mean, just think about hieroglyphs. They are most the time about some natural things like animals and so. I dont ghink we would be able to read them when those aliens have different nature life etc. 🤔🤔
My thought exactly lol
If this comment was 1 year old, every day would on average be 1 like
@Wang Computers maybe a stranded one that used available materials for a little survival/orientation guide? :D
Some D&D Dm should just give this to their party as a puzzle.
I just love these type of videos.
I mean, not all (random) informational videos are actually good and informative.
But Thoughty2 knows what he is talking about, knows how to present it, and is quite pleasant and fun to listen to.
This story is quite intriguing though.
I have 0 clue, the only thing that came to mind is *ALIENS*
And, maybe, very unlikely but maybe, someone combined multiple (old/dead) languages, and made it a "gibberish" language that only he would understand, with findings about ET life..
Who knows..
No one, apparently.
Imagine the smile you'd have on your face in the afterlife, trolling many people for the last 600 years.
kek
@@scottjohnstone5551 yeah, ive been trying for the last 600 years, still get a good chuckle though
No, there are plants described in it not known to this Earth.
@@bentonrp A forger trying to describe fictional lands to an uneducated population could make up many exotic looking plants.
@@blackerstone So he's educated, but the population isn't? Is it because he wrote in a language no one else understands?
How are we uneducated? Why would anyone build such an elaborate world in their mind? Where's the fable this manuscript would support? No one knows....
Man's first mushroom trip "I'm going to write a book that'll totally f**k with people's minds"
But what’s weird about this is that they’ve had linguists analyze it and they say based on the alphabet seen in the book, it appears to be a “real” language (like its not just jibberish). So he had to make up an entire language... how long do you think an acid trip is.
Also... Have you ever done acid? It’s not really a “sit down and write an entire book” drug. It makes you giggle and think about your existence. Not have the ability to trick all of the smartest people in the world for 100 years lol.
@Jake Miller yes!
@@speeeee35 To be fair, he said mushrooms. I feel like someone could take mushrooms consecutively for a few days, and pull off something similar. Maybe not with such perfection and elegance, but a book written in only a language you understand, may be possible.
@@speeeee35 i have a feeling he was...kidding. lmao.
The Bible?
lets just give this book to AI to decipher
EDIT: I just finished the video and realized AI also came out short O_O
I literally heard thoughty say that right when I read this comment 😂
@@TossMesh what a coincidence XD
Lol thanks for the spoiler
honestly my hope on that regard isn't gone yet. It might just take some refining for the AI, especially considering how far along it came in the last 5 years.
This is very fascinating! Thanks for sharing this with us! This could be the writings of someone with Bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. I've had patients with mental health disorders. They were very intelligent. However, during their periods of hyper mania, some would write out their ideas. Many of them would be so excited to share their writings with me; just VAST pages of writings! Some of writings would be accompanied by intricate schematics and diagrams. 😮✍🏽
Alternative title: The most successful troll in human history.
haha
Why would you say something soo controversial , but yet soo brave
This is the most accurate description though - it's all a load of gibberish a rich guy made for fun
Not clickbait enough
@@idiotsandwich8895 do you even know what controversial means?
Part of the cover was translated it translates. “Don’t panic.” There is also a passage inside on the importance of knowing where your towel is.
Funny that 42 made this video
Hitchhikers guide to traveling the galaxy?
@@rangetpc yes
Ah shit that must be my memory book-
42..
That was maybe the most info about the manuscript packed in single video I've came across! Thanks for sharing 👍
The Voynich manuscript is our first glimpses of intelligence as humans from the 21st century. Amazingly well written, intriguing art and many pages long. Wilfred Voynich was a genius among his peers.
My teachers also say my handwriting is something nobody alive can read
To the top with your comment.
"It's impossible because it's a made up language".
All damn languages are made up!
Mine too
I once had a teacher who sent me paper so I could practice my handwriting.... It was summer and school was out!!
I wouldn't let it bother you, I read it's a sign of genius
my grade school math teacher was writing me a voynich manuscript for homework for me each day! (and I am not talking about math numbers but actual text in incomprehensible cyrillic alphabet language with letters so warped they look like letters inside each other....
This guy single-handedly keeps the stock photo industry afloat
LOL SO FUNNY HEHEHEHEEEEEEE
Isn't it possible that it is the only surviving manuscript in a forgotten language? I seem to remember a language going extinct not so long ago because one of the only 2 people who spoke it died (the two people were brothers somewhere in England, I think).
It seems perfectly believable that there was a small civilisation of some kind with their own language and writing, that was either destroyed or fell into decay over time, leaving this mysterious manuscript behind.
Could be...
but the thing is, wouldn't the language have to be similar to a language that's been spoken in the area around it?
Languages in civilisations don't appear out of thin air but rather evolve on the base of other languages/dialects.
But I also find it highly possible that it is a secret language that has only been known to a small circle of people, like a clan or a secret organisation. The possibilites are nearly endless
There are still many isolated languages around the world (so-called "language isolates").
Some have very little (if at all) interaction with other languages. @@DasosBeats
Loved the video. Would love to see you cover the Necronomicon or the emerald tablets 👍
A classic joke from my country.
"That book's author must've been a doctor."
Ethiopian??
Indian??
same from Malaysia
Same in mexico
Romania? :)
Imagine if those are just notes for the world in his fictional story he never wrote.
some rich kid playing pretend with his brother.... their game crosses the line into obsession to creating this masterpiece.... but in the end, its still all just a prop, for their silly games.
And the world was brought along for the ride.
.... and to any critics of the theory... all I have to say is that stranger things have happened.
The one line that stated " Kilroy was here."
I wouldn't rule it out. Not only because of the questionable botany, I read somewhere that the astrology is questionable also.
Sounds about right
That’s my first thought too
It sounds like a grimoire of some type by what is listed as the subject matter of the chapters in it
I've always had the theory that it's a priori conlang that's written in either a semi-syllabary, abugida, or a morpho-phonemic script meaning that some letters are only there for grammatical information, it also looks like there may be initial, medial, and final forms of certain letters as well as embellished forms that may serve the same purpose of capitals in English or German. as to what kind of conlang it may be, I think it would be a philosophical language since those pictures in the book look very abstract and philosophical languages are meant to convey complex thoughts and world views in a concise and understandable way.
if nobody alive can read it, we just need someone that's dead to read it, big brain time
or a time machine to find someone to read it
FBI is looking for u
Yea, we need to talk to moaning Myrtle.
@Dr Uzi tell me your deepest desire
Use Nancy Pelosi, she looks like she died 100 years ago and nobody told her
Love how regular these uploads have become, remember waiting 3 weeks between videos before, now we have more consistent and still high quality videos, keep it up!
The quality is superb!
Quarantine made him
@@badzsculptures3755 we need to have Thoughty2 in quarantine more often then ;) hehehe gonna wish for more bad shit to happen to stupid people on this planet brb.
My favorite moments in all these videos are when Shad momentarily loses all cool, geeks out, and becomes a 10 year old kid for a second. That's what makes the channel so relatable. Instead of being cool about it, it's like he's letting us know that "this is exactly as much fun as it looks".
I don’t think Freedman meant the book was a hoax, but rather whoever wrote it could have made up a language then wrote a book so only his friends and descendants could read about his findings in the book like his discoveries about botany or astrology. Because he may have not wanted anyone else besides those close to him to know about them.
Person 1: "What's the Wi-Fi password?"
Person 2: "It's on the back of the router."
The back of the router:
@@Gammalol bruh moment
Person 2: "You got it wrong again person 1!! It's ON THE BACK OF THE ROUTER... you're always forget the ON!!!"
@@GreenSabre187 Lol man imagine if someone's WiFi password was actually"On the back of the router"XD😁
@Gary Lloyd r/woosh
@@luka4535 Oh sweet dear Luca, you're the one that's been r slash whooshed, so to speak.
A guy and his best friend: makes their own secret language
People in the future: interesting
Even so... It should still be decipherable.
@@FeedScrn Only if a Rosetta existed or even context to establish patterns.
If the "book" is really just a bunch of gibberish and the only patterns in "letters" and "words" are the subconscious preferences of the original artist, then deciphering it is impossible even with a supercomputer because there is nothing to decipher in the first place.
*Note* I use the term artist because "Author" or "writer" cannot properly be applied if the words aren't even the words of a made up, personal language.
"And they were very good friends-"
the thing is...when that book was written, it's not like people had a lot of free time to spare. People had to work a lot more to stay alive or had duties they had to do
@@jakecarter9920- That would be funny... A hoax going down for the ages.
I've read that the plants, at least, have been identified as medicinal herbs. My personal speculation is that the book was a medical text, written in code to keep out the prying eyes of competitors. The botanical section covers the herblore side of Renaissance medicine. Astrology at the time also played a large role in medicine at the time. The section on medicinal springs speaks for itself. The cosmological section might have provided background for some pet theory of the book's owner. Again, the medical connection of the pharmaceutical section is obvious. Recipes have always been part of doctoring; even before people understood the basics of nutrition, they saw that certain foods made sick people feel healthier.
Honestly, I had a look at it, what look like words, actually start to change, well the shape and structure of the words as you move through the book. In my opinion, the book is just art piece. You can see the words and structures are been written in what is made to resemble randomness, but as humans we are in capable of doing something like this and make it look random. That's why it looks like text, but if you look over the whole book you start to see that the "words" start to not appear after awhile and the structure of the writing changers. This is most obvious on the last few pages.
This is an art piece in my opinion and a brilliant one at that.
To my knowledge, this is the only book that is just art. It is an amazing piece of art.
"The Ancient Book Nobody Alive Can Read"
Just a guess, but...
I'd venture that nobody dead can read it, either.
It wasn't that difficult it just so happens to be written in Egyptian. The reason no one knows is because it was a created language in a time that Egypt had been conquered in roughly 1333 BC where the ruler made them write in a non hieroglyphics language it was simple
I think someone dead could read, I think this because someone dead wrote it.
@@donthomas8712 but how would a dead body read it when they're laying underground lifeless
You never know
good point, i would also add blind people
*sentient AI goes online in the future*
Skynet: "Time to destroy the humanity, before it destroys me!"
Humanity: "A'right.. before you do, just one thing. Can you translate this book?" *uploads PDF*
Skynet: *stuck in a decoding loop forever*
Blade Wolf: Am I a joke to you?
@Count Anonymous jojo
@Count Anonymous metal gear rising sentient Ai, which knows how to avoid such a trap.
Problem Solved: AI Overtake
lol they had one of the a.is read it to try and crack it....
I've read that about a year ago some of this work was determined by Ahmet Ardiç to be a form of old Turkish. Several passages have been translated and the text seems to make sense.
They have 2 TH-cam videos
I enjoy your episodes and your voice is so fun to listen to! Ty for doing these!
Turns out the book is just "The Lusty Argonian Maid"
Best comment
nooooooo lmfaooooo my gut hurts cant stop laughing. agreed, best comment. i was thinking the dreamstrider book or whatever it was at the mages guild
Ah yes a man of culture
That is a big loaf.
or "Gentleman Guide of Whiterun"
You really changed your style since the past couple of years. A more intriguing style of storytelling. Great video Arran! Keep up the good work.
thats his name?
wtf
@@enisarifi6878 His name is Arran Lomas
Enis Arifi sure ‘enis’
@@enisarifi6878 i'm bringing your attention to the dude's book stick a flag in it, his name is at the top front cover, and to the random interesting facts episode all about thoughty2, he made that video in 2015 i think, if i remember it was rif 42, the almost same sound and the origin of his screen name, also a hitchhiker's guide reference, as the answer to everything in our universe.
@@act1veee yea just surprised it was arran wasnt saying it was a weird name. Im from kosovo btw thats why it sounds weird (pronounced like dennis without d)
They actually made copies of this book in hopes someone can cypher it. I own a copy as well although it's still wrapped haven't opened it yet the book is hardback and was costly to buy but glad to own a copy of it.
Where do you find a copy of it. I am only asking cause I want to try to figure it out.
@@RoxasKnight Amazon
@@bellaknightR597 I will have to get it so I could try and decipher it or at least I might be able to tell what plants are in the book.
@@RoxasKnight cool, good luck
If it can't be solved then I assume it was never meant to be solved:
- Someone made it as a troll/joke.
- Someone made it to make a quick buck off selling a foreign text to a scholar.
- Someone made it to identify people of the prior sort, an indecipherable text that a charlatan would tell you he could understand but an honest scholar would admit he couldn't.
It could also have just been someone who lost their mind or was simply out of their mind on something. It could also have been someone was just trying to prove a point, that is perhaps that simply writing a book doesn't mean the words within a valuable.
This is all IF it can't be solved.
Notice how some characters stand out more than others, I’ve managed to decipher it now, damn fine sour dough recipe
Don't forget the extra 2 tablespoons of dust to make it extra old!
theres actually many ancient languages nobody alive can read.
true, but those tend to be cases of there not being enough of the text to decode anything or at least not enough repeating characters. i like the one translation idea someone had, plain text in a normal language but one now way out of date and in the typical unstandardized spelling of the era, so without knowing the exact language and dialect its basically impossible to determine what they were trying to say
What Thoughty2 is saying is that, even though the language is not known, no one has been able to _translate_ it.
I find that hard to believe cause of people that figured out hieroglyphics. It can be figured out. Only need a few context clues and the right minds to figure it out..
@deez nuts soooooo... How to basic ancient edition?
Because some text are missing when that happens and they always decode them to certain extent
...also something worth mentioning is the fact that there isn't a single mistake. No crossed out "word" or anything. Which in a way supports the hoax theory.
Just a few years ago I was asked to help box up a private library of books. The whole house had book shelves with hundreds of books. There was a section of very old books hundreds of years old and one of these was a very small delicate book. The owner told me it was medieval and it’s author was a witch and it was bound with human skin. Looked plausible to me so I used a piece of paper to pick it up and wrapped it up completely before boxing it.
Well continue
What? I've been reading it just fine for years.
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What drugs are u on ? Send some i need it ! :D
How many grams of shrooms are required to eat for this class? Lol
@@dimitarsabev8106 burundanga
@The Devil 😂😆
Guy who wrote book:
*”lemme just write random shit in here to troll everyone it’ll be hilarious”*
Actually you're not far off just listen to my playlist that's the book
No, there are plants described in it not known to this Earth.
@@bentonrp Yeah anybody can make up fake plants
@@clorinde69 True, but the obvious layout and elaborate nature of the manuscript just screams that it was design to be a tutorial guide to teaching something.
There is more there than prank, or cracks in this guise would show. But since there are none, it may be because the author sticking with a good intention would make the genuine appearance of the guide easier to begin with.
Even if it is a work of fiction, it must be a passionate one, and written so professionally with probably a quill does not deter from its curious draw; It would be equally impressive and still as intriguing, none the less.
I can't believe I didn't find this channel earlier. Instantly subcribed. About the manuscript... I share the opinion that there's nothing to translate. Maybe someone just made it so that people of the future would lose their minds over it. And he/she nailed it.
I think so too
This is by far my favorite mystery ever. For all the German-speaking folk here, i can highly recommend the podcast Geschichten aus der Geschichte. They have a 1 hour or so episode about the manuscript with a scientist that has studied it for quite some time. Great listen.
Thank you for that. I'll give it a listen.
Author planned to write a multi volume work of fantasy/fiction (like Tolkien). Started by creating the creatures and life forms of his/her fictional world. He or she invented his own language to conceal his/her notes and thought because afraid someone would steal ideas.
Maybe there are other works that got destroyed.
probably he or she couldn't receive what he or she wrote after a while
I just imagine an illiterate dude that earns his living by helping out putting books together and dreams about having a publication of his own, but being unable to read or write he just copies the style of all the books he's ever seen being made and boom!
Another theory that seems quite plausible to me is that it is made by someone actually very well educated simply for jokes or as a doodle book. Tired of writing things that actually mean something he'd simply sit down and 'draw' the text meditatively.
Yet another one I've got is that someone with a massive imagination simply wanted to somehow materialize their fantastic visions, but to avoid being prosecuted for heresy they just wrote it in incomprehensible, 'meaningless' gibberish, that would revoke specific memories to the author.
My personal theory is that it could've been a great work of a scam artist back in the Middle Ages. Claim it's a book coming from the then unknown lands of the South hemisphere or some shit and have a noble pay you big bucks for. It wouldn't be entirely inconceivable for a talented person with an inclination for deceit.
@@acoffeewithsatan yeah only a crazy person would dare say something like this and openly defy the church with something they can't understand
I don't think someone who can't write can write characters so beautifully.
I agree with the first two but not so sure about the third, i would swap that for something else.
An alien got stranded on earth and couldn't get back and wrote this in their on language which would explain why we've never seen those plants or that language.
Personally this would be my favourite possibility as it means we are not alone in the universe
@@acoffeewithsatan The problem with this theory is that the gibberish words actually line up with certain, recognizable patterns that exist in *actual* language. As if it's real.
I cracked that books code years ago…
Some really EXCELLENT baking recipes, Horoscopes & a technique for enhancing THC yields. Very useful book.
If you did crack the code , where is the translation?
@@lauragriffith315 can you read? It’s a fucking joke. Calm down.
Btw the language… is…
Deeeeeeeeez Nuuuuuuuuutz
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When I wrote that book, I had no intention of having it deciphered. It was just meant to be a gag! It was a past life venture, obviously!
Imagine the prankster writing a bunch of nonsenses in a book and having people trying to understand it to this day
that’s what i was thinking lol
I agree
That's one hell of a prank. If it is indeed a prank, the person who wrote it is a legend for creating a book that we can't decipher almost 700 years later.
@@Dragonrider616 my opinion is it was a scam/forgery. Somebody makes this book and goes to the king (or whomever) and says "want to buy a rare book?"
Just like another book I know of 😂
Thoughty2: The Ancient Book Nobody Alive Can Read
Me: You Have to be Dead to Read it??? 🤔
At least one dead guy knows how to read it.
But he ain't talkin'.
zombies and Vampires can read it cause they're technically not alive... but not completely dead. Just in a state of suspended animation... Blah hahaha
well the author is dead and if you're dead you can probably go ask him about the book lol
A book for Biden voters then?
C'mon man!
I thought the same I was so psyched!!
I was looking for someone to contextualize and ground all the things I mislearned over my lifetime. Thank you
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
This is like trying to read enchantment table.
You mean the Standard Galactic Alphabet?
omniglot.com/conscripts/sga.htm
Yeah except it's the galactic alphabet?
Then again I tried translating it once and it's just gibberish, so it's not just symbols as placeholders for the letters, still spelling the words lol.
Mayadot it was a joke
@@pogmonke5217 that doesn't mean they can't use it.
Minecraft!😜
Alien (flying back to it's planet): "Ah, shoot, I forgot my book back at earth. Oh well, I'll just buy another one when I get back home."
I own a really beautiful copy of this manuscript and one night after I had read through its pages (well more like stared at them) I had a dream that I could read everything clearly. I don't remember what it said... too bad.
Reminds me of my Sophomore yr in HS my biology teacher never read our weekly assignments just checked off if they were turned in; I tested her and wrote a bunch of bs circa 1974 for example one paragraph I wrote out the number 1 thru 100 in cursive running together and it resemble the Voyer book ☺️
The most convincing explanation I’ve heard over the last 14 years is that it was written by nuns in Turkish visual shorthand. Ahmet Ardiç and his sons have deciphered more than 600 words this way, 300 more than they had a year ago.
Very interesting. Thanks! :)
What did it say?
@grandmaster Jim it said some words put together in the correct sequence to form a sentence.
@@yamahakid450f ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Good one.. soooo hilarious 😐😅
@@JohnS-il1dr
he wouldn't know cause he's lying
Me Reading the title.
Also Me: *In best Luna Lovegood voice* It's obvious, isn't it? We need to talk to someone who's dead.
Your videos have been my brain food since I was 15! I’m now 22 with a 3 year baby boy, and pregnant wife :) my whole little family now uses your videos as our favorite source of brain food and scientific satisfactory! GREAT videos! Don’t stop man we love it!
At 22 years of age you've a 3 years old child and a pregnant woman? What's your secret? I need to know it asap?
I've got 3 kids and a wife, myself. We all enjoy watching these videos together, too! Spending time with your family is such a simple pleasure. But, by far, one of life's best gifts.
I know how. Easy take the text and lay its mirror image over each symbol to make the real symbol. Give each symbol a numerical value based on number of times it occurs in the text then compare with Sanskrit, Sumerian, Assyrian, and most importantly the earliest form of Turkish, etc, gives those languages character symbols a numerical value based on number of times it occurs in multiple texts, then covert to binary.
Wouldn't it be great if we find out it's the first D&D narration ever made?
*Here are my theories.....*
1). Maybe the book has a meaning only if there exists a secret code or manual for this book. The writer passed his legacy "the decoded alphabets or language of this book" to his later generations. But either they somehow lost possession of the book or cheat-sheet, A greedy person sold his family heritage, or the book ended up in the hands of biggies.
2). Or maybe it's pure gibberish done so well for the sole purpose of selling the book to a intellectual for a king's ransom level price. You know a nerd will pay any price for his favorite interest lol.
3) Someone was free enough to write his own fiction for his future grand-children. Like how Tolkien wrote Lord of the rings for entertainment purposes of his children.
4). The writer wanted to make a name of himself by leaving his legendary gibberish work before dying. But somehow forgot to write his name on the first page. F for the guy.
Some already decoded this in Turkish
I know the language even with out decoding it
They translated it, it's a weird Turkish language. The video is called Voynich Manuscript revealed 2018
What are you talking about? This manuscript was SOLVED already. Check out:
Voynich Manuscript Revealed (2018)
th-cam.com/video/p6keMgLmFEk/w-d-xo.html
It's of Turkic orijin of unknown dialect.
thank you for this wonderful, educational and fascinating lesson
This channel is extremely well done. 👌🏽🤙🏽👍🏽
“Nobody alive can read these books”
*laughs in dead*
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AxxL begone you foul beast
@@AxxLAfriku You suck
@@AxxLAfriku What the shit
AxxL I’m not sure why you felt the need to tell us
*It contains the secrets of that moustache*
Yep
I heard that behind the moustache is a door to a whole new world
i heard under that mustache theres a wormhole
Lazy MSP 😀
@The Devil mustache-ception
the details as always...thank you
Honestly I’ll give you that one, that was the best transition I’ve seen to a sponsor good job.
Person: writes a conlang world building
Everyone: omg aLiEnS
Nobody can read it because it's in my handwriting.
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you are one smart flamingo
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You are truly a great man to have written such a fine book that your genius surely shines through. I have just one thing to ask you oh master could you lend me a million dollars I promise to pay you one day NOT!!! lol
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU!!!
Well that would explain a lot about it by any chance while writing it were you eating magic mushrooms and chucking back a few bottles of meed while puffing on some real good stuff all while sitting in an opioid den on a Friday night in June in the middle of a monsoon?
I had in possession extremely rare books that were thrown away similar to this book. One pop up book very few know about. I burned them. They were evil books. They were priceless books but I wouldn't want those books in anyone's household. I got them from a man from Alamo heights, San Antonio, Tx. I believe he died and a family member threw the books in the trash and a garbage man sold books to my dad; I then came in possession of it. I burned it.
The book was Diary Book of Princess Hurrrem, the spouse of Suleiman the Magnificent
I've always been fascinated by this book. It does seem likely to be an alchemical text written in a secret language that would have been known by the select few. Even the plants are avatars for their likely hallucinogenic counterparts on this plane of reality. Possibly lessons and recipes for the transmutation of the mundane human into its divine nature. Alchemists were big on that.
Excellent presentation.
I totally agree. Also, the craft was a sin and punishable, so I believe that's why it's in codex.
Surprise its fiction novel. Just how i wonder maybe far in the future people found our comic and novel, and think how advanced we are. Haha just like how we found ancient mural Depicting a plane alien, etc. All the debate for maybe only a ficiton story they have in the past
I’m skeptical about the plants. Its impossible to draw a plant that doesn’t resemble one on earth.
aha yes i concurrently agree ahem cough yes my thoughts are indeed vehemously such similie to yours , in face in deed quite
@@sjamescharlton It's possible all you need is imagination
For thw longest time i though he said "42" at the beginning until i realised the channel was called "thoughty2"
He does say 42! It's a joke from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
No, no you didn't
@@TalesOfTheUnwanted0 wait what I've read that book I still don't get it
42 degrees comes from the combination of angles of chi and phi but you have to look further than that.
@@russiansleeperagent8249 Basically 42 is the answer to everything, that's the joke lol
It is written in a dialect of Turkish language. translated sometime last year or so.
Yeah thats false. Mister ardic could only translate 300 words out of 240 pages. And even these 300 words are just a assumption. if it really was just a old turkish dialect the manuscript would be translated hundred of years ago from turkish language specialist
Nope!
Stop repeating those silly lies.
FOOL.
Correct!@@pezzo2222
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This book has been decoded now ! It is written in a Turkish slang when the man wrote this book it was in a Turkish slang about how to plant your crops and at the time about 450 years ago , the illustrations show how each plaint progress through the seasons, how to harvest and what it took to preserve the harvest what crop was used for! What each plaint could be used for! This nook is not unreadable anymore. It has been un decoded!
A better mystery is how can Thoughty upload so many well researched, unbelievably well edited videos so often.
My theory is that he has an army of mustachioed elves helping him.
Is it really an elf if its not mustachioed?
Maybe he is the leader of the elves
I downloaded the PDF and went looking through, there’s a significant amount of 8 pointed stars within the codex and typically in middle eastern culture it is known as the khatim-sulayman meaning the seal of prophets maybe the codex is actually the works of one of the great sages in renaissance Italy
Maybe
Heavy on the maybe 😅
Who are these great sages? You could be on to something there, because the art style has been likened to that of a number of Italian renaissance architects, and there's a drawing of a castle with pointed parapets that only existed in Italy.
I think the book is either written in a coded form or more likely it is of a intelligent man who was mentally Ill but it could be far older if it was written in late Roman era or the early dark ages it could be a germanic tribe mixing symbols with Latin to make there own language or it could be Norse tribal remnants doing the same thing in the renaissance there were a few of them left
I bought a copy of this, it's so well done and while there is an alphabet of sorts it doesn't make any sense. you can't really decipher any words, there wasn't even many repeating words so it's so far impossible to figure out what it's saying which is very unusual for how large and complex the language appears to be.