I really struggled with radio comms as a student until someone recommended Plane English. I spent a number of hours going through its exercises. Fantastic app. It saved me probably thousands of wasted dollars. I go back to it to refresh from time to time.
I went on a XC with my instructor to a super busy Charlie and afterward I was like "what just happened?". This video really helped me look back and understand what we were doing, so THANK YOU SO MUCH for this video!
@@flywiththeguys when you were handed off to departure, you never verified departure frequency to tower. Was this intentional. Trying to learn this stuff before I go to get my private cert. Thanks. Great videos by the way. Very informative and easy to follow!
@@flywiththeguys also I live in hurst Texas. Are you a CFI and do you give individual lessons. I am retired and have all the time in the world all day every day and is something I have been wanting to do for a while now......just been lazy haha.
@@ronniesmith777might be a little late but when you’re being handed off you’re never required to verify the frequency code; a simple acknowledgement will do (“contacting tower, approach, departure, etc.”).
Thank you for taking the time to make this and put it up. I'm in and out of a Charlie on this project and it was nice to have a succinct little refresher.
Thanks for simplifying this and giving me the confidence to enter and depart my first Class C airport last thanksgiving. Heading back tomorrow. If you're ever in the San Francisco Bay Area, I highly recommend a visit to KMRY. Not only is the area beautiful, but you'll be treated like royalty by the staff at Monterey Jet Center (not to mention the luxury bathrooms).
FAA commercial helicopter pilot out of KTUS here. GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO and AWESOME DESCRIPTION of what we are all to hear, what to listen to, what to write down/remember/read back, and what is important!! Why did I watch this? I saw the 'old Tucson tower' in the pic for the video and couldn't resist. What did I learn from this: You're very thorough... although you narrated that when calling CD you'd have to specify altitude, you don't really need to, AND you didn't on this flight :) Otherwise spot on. Going to hunt down and see if you have any untowered (CTAF) guidance... may learn something there. If I was going for a fixed-wing transmission I'd consider your outfit [assuming you instruct]. You know what you're doing managing the aircraft, the flying, the communicating, so the trust you build up before I even meet you is already there. I want my passengers to feel the same way getting in my helicopter. Kudos. And by that I mean "Hey this video is super helpful and I hope it makes lots of people uncomfortable with flying in towered airspaces more easily adapt to flying in Class C [or D] airspace!!! Also KDVT is beautiful. Flew there once for a meeting. One of the easiest in-out airspace wise and in-out courtesy car at the FBO wise!!!
This is a great video, and definitely will help me remember how to get in and out of a class Charlie Airport. I will say I’m still a bit intimidated, because the first time I did, it is a student pilot, I really had a difficult time and completely task saturated. So this was very helpful. Great video!
Flew into Class C at night with my CFI on Dec 23. Solo XC will be to Class D as soon as weather allows! Great to see the newest “FWtG” video. Hope to see ya soon
Glad you liked it! It wasn't bad. Just a few new procedures. It's about as busy as the class D airport I fly out of. Its busy enough to be a charlie, but it doesn't have the vertical headroom to be one. It's under a bravo shelf.
That was a great breakdown of everything for Class C airspace. Since you mentioned at the end there were times you had to wait for X controller to get back to you would be maybe have added was a text blurb at the bottom of how long it was before they got back to you, something like, “3 minutes later and after several calls to other aircraft…”. I think it could possibly give an even more clear picture of when calls would happen right away and times you might expect to have to wait to hear back from a controller. But like I said before, great video and keep up the great work!
Thanks for your kind words. I should have grabbed some footage from our class bravo video. We actually showed how long they took to respond to us. A good example in this one though, we wanted to make our initial call at 20 miles out, but couldn't get a word in until 17 miles out. They responded to us with radar contact at about 13 miles out. So it took them quite a while with all the traffic. Its crazy to me that they take that long sometimes. But I get it, I'm slow moving traffic, less important, more maneuverable.
Great video! I'm in a RT class now. Already found out that that is not mandatory in the US. Another example of a difference. That one controller in your video is really fast!
My biggest struggle right now is that I can't even make out what ATC are saying half the time and what little i can make out I don't have time to process before the next piece of information is given. Really hoping this gets better with time because communications is genuinely making me question my intelligence. Like how do people process crucial verbal input that fast? Is this normal early into flying? Like I know everyone struggles with figuring out what to say at first but I straight up can't make out what they are saying over that muddy signal while talking 200mph
It's normal. It's because it's a different way of communicating. You have to get used to the terminology and order of operations. Eventually you know what they're going to say. Most controllers will move quickly through common communications, but if it deviates from standard they slow down. HIGHLY recommend PlaneEnglish to help you get through things. It moves at a slower pace so you can learn whats being said and what you need to say. Once you figure that out, you're really just verifying information to them.
LOL. I know what you mean. Imagine someone didn't know what they were talking about and just arbitrarily chose a mountain to fly towards. And for those who don't know, the mountain has a big A on it and is a call out point on the sectional. Really hard to find on the sectional though.
Duno. It's different for everyone. I only have numbers for the private pilot. Somewhere around 13K privately and a couple grand more if you go to a flight school.
So that's how the pilots and air traffic controllers communicate with each other sounds hard to do but I hope I can master that pilots talk to the tower the approach the ground control and the departure
I really struggled with radio comms as a student until someone recommended Plane English. I spent a number of hours going through its exercises. Fantastic app. It saved me probably thousands of wasted dollars. I go back to it to refresh from time to time.
Totally agree!
Doing my long solo XC this weekend and I’m going to a Charlie! Thanks for this video!
Good luck!!
I went on a XC with my instructor to a super busy Charlie and afterward I was like "what just happened?". This video really helped me look back and understand what we were doing, so THANK YOU SO MUCH for this video!
No problem! Glad it helped. =)
Subscribed! I’m going to be doing my 5th solo to a charlie and this is simple and easy to understand! Thank you!
Thanks for the “Charlie” flight Carl. 22 years of flying Arizona and never touched down on Tucson’s runways. 👍
LOL. Well, it was a nice airport. About as busy as Deer Valley right now.
@@flywiththeguys when you were handed off to departure, you never verified departure frequency to tower. Was this intentional. Trying to learn this stuff before I go to get my private cert. Thanks. Great videos by the way. Very informative and easy to follow!
@@flywiththeguys also I live in hurst Texas. Are you a CFI and do you give individual lessons. I am retired and have all the time in the world all day every day and is something I have been wanting to do for a while now......just been lazy haha.
@@ronniesmith777might be a little late but when you’re being handed off you’re never required to verify the frequency code; a simple acknowledgement will do (“contacting tower, approach, departure, etc.”).
Thank you for taking the time to make this and put it up. I'm in and out of a Charlie on this project and it was nice to have a succinct little refresher.
No problem. I'm glad it helped!
Thanks for simplifying this and giving me the confidence to enter and depart my first Class C airport last thanksgiving. Heading back tomorrow. If you're ever in the San Francisco Bay Area, I highly recommend a visit to KMRY. Not only is the area beautiful, but you'll be treated like royalty by the staff at Monterey Jet Center (not to mention the luxury bathrooms).
Glad the video helped!
FAA commercial helicopter pilot out of KTUS here.
GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO and AWESOME DESCRIPTION of what we are all to hear, what to listen to, what to write down/remember/read back, and what is important!!
Why did I watch this? I saw the 'old Tucson tower' in the pic for the video and couldn't resist.
What did I learn from this: You're very thorough... although you narrated that when calling CD you'd have to specify altitude, you don't really need to, AND you didn't on this flight :) Otherwise spot on. Going to hunt down and see if you have any untowered (CTAF) guidance... may learn something there.
If I was going for a fixed-wing transmission I'd consider your outfit [assuming you instruct]. You know what you're doing managing the aircraft, the flying, the communicating, so the trust you build up before I even meet you is already there. I want my passengers to feel the same way getting in my helicopter.
Kudos. And by that I mean "Hey this video is super helpful and I hope it makes lots of people uncomfortable with flying in towered airspaces more easily adapt to flying in Class C [or D] airspace!!!
Also KDVT is beautiful. Flew there once for a meeting. One of the easiest in-out airspace wise and in-out courtesy car at the FBO wise!!!
Thanks for all that! And I didn't know our FBO had a car. I should pretend to fly in so I can just drive it around. LOL
This is a great video, and definitely will help me remember how to get in and out of a class Charlie Airport. I will say I’m still a bit intimidated, because the first time I did, it is a student pilot, I really had a difficult time and completely task saturated. So this was very helpful. Great video!
Thanks! And yes, it can get crazy. Class B is even worse. LOL
Wow it’s that easy! Life saver thank you for this clear video
Glad it helped!
Flew into Class C at night with my CFI on Dec 23. Solo XC will be to Class D as soon as weather allows! Great to see the newest “FWtG” video. Hope to see ya soon
Go Jeffrey Go!!!
Thanks for watching it. We've been really busy at the FWTGs house, killing my video making time.
Awesome content. Love your voice when you make the calls. You sound like you are calling the tower about their cars extended warranty 😊
I want to make a series that usually ends up with me having to take down a number....
Great presentation. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video 👏👏👏
Thank you very much!
Great video. Thanks Guys!
Thanks for watching! Hopefully it helped. =)
Really enjoy these excellent posts. Thank you.
Glad you like them!
Good breakdown of the Charlie , it can get a little overwhelming when trying to land or depart but a good refresher thanks
Glad you liked it! It wasn't bad. Just a few new procedures. It's about as busy as the class D airport I fly out of. Its busy enough to be a charlie, but it doesn't have the vertical headroom to be one. It's under a bravo shelf.
That was a great breakdown of everything for Class C airspace. Since you mentioned at the end there were times you had to wait for X controller to get back to you would be maybe have added was a text blurb at the bottom of how long it was before they got back to you, something like, “3 minutes later and after several calls to other aircraft…”. I think it could possibly give an even more clear picture of when calls would happen right away and times you might expect to have to wait to hear back from a controller. But like I said before, great video and keep up the great work!
Thanks for your kind words. I should have grabbed some footage from our class bravo video. We actually showed how long they took to respond to us. A good example in this one though, we wanted to make our initial call at 20 miles out, but couldn't get a word in until 17 miles out. They responded to us with radar contact at about 13 miles out. So it took them quite a while with all the traffic. Its crazy to me that they take that long sometimes. But I get it, I'm slow moving traffic, less important, more maneuverable.
Wow great breakdown!
Glad you liked it!
KSGF! Thats where I fly in to for my class C lessons.
Great video! I'm in a RT class now. Already found out that that is not mandatory in the US. Another example of a difference. That one controller in your video is really fast!
I know right. Truth be told, I edited the video to make me look like a rock star. The uneditied versions.... ugh.
@@flywiththeguys Ha! Now I'm waiting for the moment that you'll sound like an auction guy! Errrrr... (that was me, errrrr... taking things slow 😂)
My biggest struggle right now is that I can't even make out what ATC are saying half the time and what little i can make out I don't have time to process before the next piece of information is given. Really hoping this gets better with time because communications is genuinely making me question my intelligence. Like how do people process crucial verbal input that fast? Is this normal early into flying? Like I know everyone struggles with figuring out what to say at first but I straight up can't make out what they are saying over that muddy signal while talking 200mph
It's normal. It's because it's a different way of communicating. You have to get used to the terminology and order of operations. Eventually you know what they're going to say. Most controllers will move quickly through common communications, but if it deviates from standard they slow down. HIGHLY recommend PlaneEnglish to help you get through things. It moves at a slower pace so you can learn whats being said and what you need to say. Once you figure that out, you're really just verifying information to them.
Which navigation app do you use for vfr flights?
❤❤❤goood video ,!😊😊
THANK YOU!
Great video. Where do you find out about landing and ramp fees for an airport?
It really depends on the airport. It's best to just give the airport or FBO a call first, jus to figure things out!
@@flywiththeguys Thanks! That makes sense.
Probably not too many places where you can say "Headed towards a mountain" without causing panic! 😁😁
LOL. I know what you mean. Imagine someone didn't know what they were talking about and just arbitrarily chose a mountain to fly towards. And for those who don't know, the mountain has a big A on it and is a call out point on the sectional. Really hard to find on the sectional though.
2:13 is this only for class c or can it be used for any airspace entry
It depends on the area and what they want. Just check the sectional chart for details.
Boom Boom! 💥
👍☑️I figured out how you are always faster than me, youre less than 15 miles from Chad and I'm over 5000...... LOL
Lol see how you are!
Guys, I'm fairly sure it released for you at the same time. =)
@@flywiththeguys You I can kinda trust but that Arthur guy is another story ... LOL
1:55 What is the second number after Tucson app frequency on the sectional chart? 318.1 and 269.55 are out of the airband range.
Those are military frequency's since there is military operations in the area.
👍☑️another great video!
Thanks! It was great to make something again. It's been a while. =(
Glad I watched this... would have looked like an idiot contacting ground first...
People do it all the time. Some class D airports have CD as well. Very few though.
thanks, many much money I need to be commercial pilot?
Duno. It's different for everyone. I only have numbers for the private pilot. Somewhere around 13K privately and a couple grand more if you go to a flight school.
I’m fast as frick boy.
Were you in the Pilatus?
So that's how the pilots and air traffic controllers communicate with each other sounds hard to do but I hope I can master that pilots talk to the tower the approach the ground control and the departure
It's easier than you think. Its more of an exposure thing. =)
@@flywiththeguys oh that's it
Depart runway 11 while winds are 300?
Guess that's their preferred runway. =)
Fun... Ain't it!
I'd say it's more complicated.... Not bad though.
@@flywiththeguys only if you make it!
The Departure controller was as fast vomiting one.....
Yea... They talk fast here. REALLY fast.