DENDRO REACTION SHOWDOWN! Which is the STRONGEST? Burning vs Bloom vs Burgeon vs Hyperbloom!

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    In today's video, we take a look at the transformative reaction damage that dendro provides! Obviously spread and aggravate are extremely powerful, but how good are burning, bloom, burgeon, and hyperbloom? Find out in today's video! This is for Genshin Impact patch 3.0.
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  • @IWinToLose
    @IWinToLose  ปีที่แล้ว +133

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    • @Carbuncle0168
      @Carbuncle0168 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hyperbloom the best

    • @bombituico
      @bombituico ปีที่แล้ว +4

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    • @dionyvaldez5588
      @dionyvaldez5588 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      try hutao db burgeon team

    • @angelr2404
      @angelr2404 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is this game mobile only?

    • @kukimains9627
      @kukimains9627 ปีที่แล้ว

      we Love Hyperbloom 🥰🥰

  • @lil_Perro
    @lil_Perro ปีที่แล้ว +785

    I swear burning is more of a threat to your characters than to the enemies. I burned some grass with a kazuha pyro infused E and did about 5k dps to myself . Barely got out of that with 2k hp.

    • @Romashka_Sov
      @Romashka_Sov ปีที่แล้ว +124

      Imagine how devastating it was in 1.0, when players had 8k hp, and before devs nerfed burning...

    • @Stormtide
      @Stormtide ปีที่แล้ว +46

      dude really lost 5k health every second, damn

    • @sarahboes6829
      @sarahboes6829 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Romashka_SovWasn't the burning nerf directly following a burning buff in, like, 1.6 or something? Certainly wasn't in 1.0

    • @Romashka_Sov
      @Romashka_Sov ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@sarahboes6829 actually, it was in 1.1, just thought this since the beginning. Found news from Nov.13.2020

    • @xiankyotakazawa8213
      @xiankyotakazawa8213 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Bro got 5k damage per second (dps) for burning, dang

  • @theianeia
    @theianeia ปีที่แล้ว +1381

    Man, they pretty much killed burning when they nerfed it's elemental gauge, shame. I was actually quite excited to use burning for my melt Ganyu.

    • @pokecailan3006
      @pokecailan3006 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Same ;-;

    • @lostblueboy
      @lostblueboy ปีที่แล้ว +179

      i agree, they should kept the gauge for cryo and hydro teams to finally use vaporize and melt properly and not just benefit pyro but the numbers should have been kept low. but they did both so now its useless

    • @raurisaurus5057
      @raurisaurus5057 ปีที่แล้ว +189

      Burning actually isn't that bad. IWinToLose did a horrible showcase of it here.
      If you pay attention, he always used Collei and travelers bursts together which is NOT what you do when burning relies on dendro application every 2 seconds. Which traveler can do.
      (Meaning that burning had loads of downtime).
      It's also funny that the other comps require multiple reactions, but for burning who's best candidate is Xiangling, IWinToLose instead used Bennet, making burning unable to do multiple reactions and extremely nerfing it.
      Another thing id like to point out is that burning if used with Xiangling, enables multi reactions like quad melt/overloads and potential vapes. The issue is it requires Xiangling due to the fact that 1U pyro isn't enough on its own, however that 1U pyro helps Xiangling with pyro aura application.
      Burning+Xiangling enable Chongyun to Quad melt with his burst. (Only Amber can do it efficiently).
      Burning+Xiangling enable overloads to also proc. I used a team with yae Miko.
      Burning+Xiangling can also proc melt and overloads at the same time in a team with yae Miko and Rosaria. However this team can't quad melt for Chongyun.
      The best part is that burning can't be stripped off due to Xiangling constantly reapplying pyro, and the extra aura burning applies helps Xiangling do other procs.
      Also note if you replace Rosaria with Kokomi, she will vape whilst the other reactions will still proc. (it's also a must to use electro or hydro in these comps (altho I highly recommend electro over hydro) so that you can infuse travelers burst to do consistent dendro application without it exploding.

    • @lostmyname1874
      @lostmyname1874 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      At the end of the day , burning/bloom/hyperbloom/Burgeon still does the same amount of damage with same amount of EM. Unlike the others, burning do several little dmg over time and sigle target but the total amount is still the same.
      Edit: typos

    • @purplerainPR
      @purplerainPR ปีที่แล้ว +7

      both reactions are bad its just that burning is worse lol, I know he didn't want to max out damage but any dendro reaction outside of quicken/spread is just a fun reaction

  • @LyteArken
    @LyteArken ปีที่แล้ว +877

    I would love to see a full kit team redo these runs to see how it all compares. If you do, pls give yourself a break and take your time. Love the work you do.

    • @chirb008
      @chirb008 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      this is just gonna become in another Yelan showcase

    • @grismatics
      @grismatics ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @do not
      🤓

  • @OC_
    @OC_ ปีที่แล้ว +541

    Basically.
    Use burgeon and bloom for multiple enemies.
    Use hyperbloom for single target scenarios.
    Don't use burning.

    • @illusion9423
      @illusion9423 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Where aggravate

    • @flswttr
      @flswttr ปีที่แล้ว +114

      and use aggravate everywhere lol

    • @willywo6304
      @willywo6304 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@illusion9423 aggravate is another story, because aggravate level same as melt / vaporizer team, you need build lot of crit value + atk%

    • @willywo6304
      @willywo6304 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@illusion9423 burning, bloom, hyperbloom and burgeon, is simpel build, just play EM + Level

    • @reizero246
      @reizero246 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@flswttr The problem with aggravate are the characters. Fischl is nuts, but the one who can take advantage from her broken A4 in Aggravate is keqing who has a low damage. You have to choose if using healing (Kuki), shielding (Zhongli) or damage (kazuha/sucrose), and current dendro characters are too much bad at aggravate except for Thignari, but using Thignari you are wasting other comps.

  • @reed3863
    @reed3863 ปีที่แล้ว +550

    Hyperbloom is insanely good without needing any crits..just stack ER on everyone and EM on kuki shinobu(and get her to level 90). Easiest team to build with very cheap investment. Don't even need talent levels. Perhaps xingqiu's skills and burst for more dmg and shinobu's skill for more healing, but that's still optional.

    • @beastunleashed657
      @beastunleashed657 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      yep! Fridge is similar as well, but it is more utility dependent cause you gotta freeze your enemy

    • @wandersonvitor3054
      @wandersonvitor3054 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I love Hyperbloom with Kuki

    • @robinreyes7657
      @robinreyes7657 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@beastunleashed657 idk about fridge i tested it and i dont like it.. if im gonna go fridge ill go for full freeze team and put dendro to someoone can ignite dendro like hyperbloom/burgeon

    • @beastunleashed657
      @beastunleashed657 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@robinreyes7657 who did you play it with? I used Dendro Lumine, Ganyu and Koko, and the experience was amazing

    • @robinreyes7657
      @robinreyes7657 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@beastunleashed657 i did kokomi, ayaka,diona and mc yeah the dmg is nice but idk i still like my old team replace mc to bennet again and made a hyperbloom on mc

  • @mafimok
    @mafimok ปีที่แล้ว +116

    Would love to see SPREAD/AGGRAVATE vs MELT and VAPE.
    Sure, abyss buffs dendro but we also have overworld to test.

    • @stylerxo3654
      @stylerxo3654 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Comparing most teams to Hu Tao double Hydro or Childe International atm is unfair. Vape has the best teams in the game.

    • @cosmictrainer2919
      @cosmictrainer2919 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not fair since the best dendro support dmc can't do dmg at all

    • @-Four-
      @-Four- ปีที่แล้ว +8

      lets wait for Nahida then we'll come back to this. MC is simply not enough atm

  • @vukkicos5688
    @vukkicos5688 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    Would love to see how older reactions (such as Swirl, Electro-Charged and Overload) would preform compared to the newer ones

    • @jaguh9069
      @jaguh9069 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      My guess is they are still better because you already have multiple characters to fully utilize every team comp reaction with fully flesh out rotation. Dendro is still new and the best dendro enabler is funnily enough the MC. Wait until we have a dendro Xingqiu to have good comparison berween all these reaction.

    • @reothomas956
      @reothomas956 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree

    • @shachede6828
      @shachede6828 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jaguh9069 nah! Aggravate and spread is on another level. It’s like the melt and vape of electro

    • @demoncloud6147
      @demoncloud6147 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      From my testing Electro-Charge does about 1/3 of the damage of Hyperbloom and Overload does about 1/2 the damage of Hyperbloom for same EM

    • @reothomas956
      @reothomas956 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@demoncloud6147 Electro charged can crit i believe so crits and talent level also matter

  • @OC_
    @OC_ ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Hyperbloom is the most fun and easy to use in my opinion.
    Also yes, I would like to see how these reactions do when the characters are built better.

    • @Nowaylarry
      @Nowaylarry ปีที่แล้ว

      The thing is with a Kuki trigger hyperbloom team you could use literally anyone that won't interrupt the reaction in place of Collei. Traveler + Xingqui is enough for core production. Beidou for example. Her burst will never target the cores and she brings a ton of extra damage. Plus she would offer some AOE coverage that hyperbloom lacks. Fischl could also work since you do get some electro charge and aggravate uptime. She will occasionally hit the cores but it is pretty infrequent. You could also just drop Kuki entirely and use an anemo character for the hyperbloom trigger (A ton more team damage at the cost of mitigation).

  • @juancamilogomezmunera1260
    @juancamilogomezmunera1260 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I don't know what developers have against Damage over time teams. In many games they allow this kind of gameplay but always makes it trash. Poison, venom, burging, corrosion and things like that could be paired with dashes and mobility checks to ensure the player is engage but in a different play style that just landing blows.

  • @Yuu-sn3ot
    @Yuu-sn3ot ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks! this is the type of comparison i've been waiting for

  • @DevilishlyDutch
    @DevilishlyDutch ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think both this and a full team comparison are perfect for comparing the reactions, this one looks at only the reactions, but team will be the practical application of it, which are two very interesting sides of research!

  • @infamousgoose8208
    @infamousgoose8208 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    I wasn’t expecting Collei to show up in one of these this quickly

    • @alex9502
      @alex9502 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Well even if collei's kit is not good enough compared to traveler and tignari, she is one of the few dendro characters to show up and tignari is a main dps so is not like we actually have options, soon or later she will go to amber tier to make company with her friend

    • @alex9502
      @alex9502 ปีที่แล้ว

      @green pussycrusher🇷🇺 it does, because collei is in this comps because the lack of dendro supports, not because she is good, you can check keqing mains guide in deep guide where they say collei is bad lol (like many other characters and comps but copium inhalers cant accept it)

    • @yanxii1527
      @yanxii1527 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @green pussycrusher🇷🇺 He simply means, we have no other dendro supports so who else would we use

    • @ryneis
      @ryneis ปีที่แล้ว

      @green pussycrusher🇷🇺 collei main😂

    • @2triedforthis830
      @2triedforthis830 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@alex9502 nah she’s still good but there will be better characters but for a while she’s still gonna be useful

  • @lukeh419
    @lukeh419 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    Personally, I'm happy that burning isn't very good. Mostly because Pyro has been the focus of Genshin meta longer than nearly any other element and still remains very good because Vape and Melt exist, plus Pyro resonance. These reactions help boost underused characters like Kuki and Thoma without encouraging people to "Just use Bennet" like we've been hearing for the last 1.5 years.

    • @Ilovechickenssss
      @Ilovechickenssss ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I'm not very happy I'm glad that electro got buffed but burning could have been a good supportive elemental reaction :(

    • @artificial_exp
      @artificial_exp ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Its not a good thing at all. Its basically a dead reaction. Instead of it being to deal decent dmg and being an alternative to other pyro reactions its trash and vape/melt are still broken. Nothing changed basicallu

    • @baldwinivofjerusalem47
      @baldwinivofjerusalem47 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@artificial_exp Dendro + Electro reactions with more electro and dendro characters coming out in the future, i don't think melt and vape will be enjoying the so called broken tittle but i can see why most people are in denial because they top tier op characters won't be so top tier anymore.

    • @illusion9423
      @illusion9423 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just use Xingqiu

    • @artificial_exp
      @artificial_exp ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@baldwinivofjerusalem47 I dont think Vape will ever fall out of the top tier spot, its just that Aggravate might he just as good as it. You cant really compete with 40k+ AoE vapes from xiangling or 70k+ hu tao vapes

  • @GawaHollow
    @GawaHollow ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'm just happy to see my favourite shinigami Thoma beeing finally useful in some team comps

  • @bennett4218
    @bennett4218 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    Im just soooooo disappointed for burning reaction. It literally does nothing dmg. I was so excited to do huge dmg with my main dps benny and he did worse than i ever imagined 😭😭

    • @bennett4218
      @bennett4218 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Félix i hope they make a pyro support like sara, gorou and shenhe

    • @mohammadabosalem9602
      @mohammadabosalem9602 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@bennett4218 that would be too op...

    • @bennett4218
      @bennett4218 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mohammadabosalem9602 i know right?! 🤩

    • @sidi5eyess
      @sidi5eyess ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Prob because melt and vaporise exists, they're tryna balance the meta. Electro go the biggest buff with quickened

    • @x_Psyduck_x
      @x_Psyduck_x ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@bennett4218 C6 Bennett kinda already is full-pyro support

  • @marcelorei2254
    @marcelorei2254 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would love to see you use built characters and use Childe in the hiperbloom team as his riptide compensate for the lack of AOE of the Hiperbloom reaction. Keep up the good job.

  • @saveacoweatapanda4077
    @saveacoweatapanda4077 ปีที่แล้ว

    loved it! need more of this man :D also the sponsored game looked pretty dope!

  • @Simca0503
    @Simca0503 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see the teams fully built and with spread and aggravate as well. Awesome work Iwintolose!

  • @ThatGenshinGirl
    @ThatGenshinGirl ปีที่แล้ว +6

    These new reactions are fun to play, but i'm excited for characters that the main focus are said reactions. We can kinda assume that Nilou and Dehya will be Bloom and Burning/Burgeon focused characters, and Nahida will be their best support (hope she's a healer and buffer, Traveller and Collei support capabilities are just Dendro application).

  • @tobiewolfen01
    @tobiewolfen01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very insightful. I was playing around with burning thinking maybe people were not giving it a fair chance. Nope, it simply doesn't hold up as well as the other dendro reactions.

  • @ziggymugstube
    @ziggymugstube ปีที่แล้ว +94

    I was really hoping they would add a Phys debuff along with burning making it an alternative to superconduct. Who knows, maybe that'll be a feature of a future character or artifact set or something. (My poor Xinyan still waiting for her time to shine).

    • @FranciscoJG
      @FranciscoJG ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's actually a nice idea.

    • @Devilboy_1029
      @Devilboy_1029 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was hoping for a set like vv for Anemo, Geo and Dendro

    • @RuneKatashima
      @RuneKatashima ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow, an actually good idea in the YT comment section?

    • @kirin1230
      @kirin1230 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's an excellent idea actually. I don't care for physical at all but it would have been nice for balancing... And Xinyan.

  • @Himmelswind
    @Himmelswind ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really love playing Hyperbloom, it feels so flashy and quick. But I thought aggravate was more fitting for my Keqing due to Electro dmg. Therefore I would love any further comparisons you are doing!

  • @aatroxotp.
    @aatroxotp. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this type of videos!

  • @hecktor2892
    @hecktor2892 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    I think the biggest issue with burning is (imo) the only dendro character(s) who can consistently apply dendro for burning are tighnari and collei (together) YET

    • @ziebus904
      @ziebus904 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Biggest issue with burn is that its trash

    • @Ax19e4
      @Ax19e4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ziebus904 it’s really not tho u can melt/vape from it and get some additional dmg

    • @hiarus8850
      @hiarus8850 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@Ax19e4 that additional damage is so small that it's pretty much pointless

    • @Zeon_SpaceX
      @Zeon_SpaceX ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Dendro catalyst... Still having vacation with Cryo catalyst

    • @sturgeon9685
      @sturgeon9685 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Biggest issue is that there's only 3 dendro characters 💀 don't rag on a reaction when there are so few dendro characters out

  • @maxbrown8695
    @maxbrown8695 ปีที่แล้ว

    i watch you do the ads not only to critique your acting but out of respect for the work you put in the game and recording and i have to say well done my friend in both regards

  • @annieyl
    @annieyl ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always, IWTL!! I know you talked about how spread and aggravate are the best dendro reactions, but I'd be super interested in seeing a video of electro DPSes with and without spread/aggravate to see how they stack up against the traditional teams for these electro DPSes. I hope you don't *spread* yourself too thin, though - take care of yourself sir :))

  • @wisteriamuffler8850
    @wisteriamuffler8850 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    yeah do build the characters with 4 star weapons, it would be interesting. Also, love the fact that Thoma is somewhat competent now, functionality wise.

  • @red-nt2cx
    @red-nt2cx ปีที่แล้ว

    great vid. still would've loved to see how spread/aggravate would compare to these side by side. thank you.

  • @tkmk_neu
    @tkmk_neu ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I guess between Hyperbloom Kuki and Burgeon Thoma, Kuki would be a generally safe choice just because she heals... as you might not survive with just Thoma's shield

    • @Max_is_weird
      @Max_is_weird ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I mean so far the best burgeon Thoma uses Kokomi so it's a trade of shield to heals (while Ayato does more damage but imo Kokomi brings comfort and that makes it safe)

    • @uso6844
      @uso6844 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Max_is_weird can you substitute Kokomi for Barb in Burgeon if you dont have Kokomi ?

    • @Max_is_weird
      @Max_is_weird ปีที่แล้ว

      @@uso6844 it depends, if you have another hydro then I think it could work since I use Kokomi for her heals AND her skill has no ICD and I have no idea about Barbara but you can do some testing and see how the team works for you

    • @uso6844
      @uso6844 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Max_is_weirdi think i have all the Hydro Characters except for Kokomi

    • @Max_is_weird
      @Max_is_weird ปีที่แล้ว

      @@uso6844 then you could try either Ayato or Childe and Yao Yao for the healer spot (since that team should have better damage)

  • @shin8731
    @shin8731 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i was asking my self this question and u uploaded the same second :0

  • @alexyguerreroceja7353
    @alexyguerreroceja7353 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Is there gonna be an update from the klee's guide when a new cathalyst comes up? I'd like to see her viability with yelan and other new characters as a nuke or even support

    • @sakutaro3musik486
      @sakutaro3musik486 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      there is no value in klee, she is an ok unit

    • @Hayds126
      @Hayds126 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think double hydro can work with klee but hu tao does more damage and not sure if it beats mono pyro.
      I don't think much else has changed for her though.

    • @vani5632
      @vani5632 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think klee is more comfortable in a mono pyro team just bring kazuha or someone yk to swirl and group enemies sucrose works too but bennett as your buffer and healer and you still get a flexible spot you can put xiangling as an example I mean it's an advice cuz klee is hard to vape so mono pyro is comfortable and does a crazy amount of dmg but definitely not as big in number wise

    • @MrDekasOne
      @MrDekasOne ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Klee is best in mono pyro she applies to much pyro to vape or melt her charged attacks consistently

    • @_.soymilk
      @_.soymilk ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vani5632 Agreed, I can’t see how any kind of reaction team could be as good for klee as mono pyro. It’s quite good tbh if you love klee and wanna play her it’s def competitive and clears abyss fast

  • @sadkdhm2060
    @sadkdhm2060 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    For hyberbloom I used triple EM Raiden (I don't have kuki yet) with Kazuha, dendro traveler and Kokomi, I managed to 9 star abyss 12 with pure f2p setups it was a really fun team to use.
    In the video I saw you used hydro infused dendro traveler burst, it's good but I was using the electro infusion for more burst dmg and faster dendro application but at the same time I had issues with enemies going off the burst AOE but if you manage to keep them in it the time would be faster than the hydro infusion

    • @guilherme.comelli
      @guilherme.comelli ปีที่แล้ว

      infusing electro on travelers burst doesn't increase dendro application.

  • @applyinggaming9529
    @applyinggaming9529 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    would love to see it for future characters that synergizes with specific reactions

  • @morrowthewizard3945
    @morrowthewizard3945 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is interesting
    thanks for compiling.

  • @raphasage
    @raphasage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure ifanyone pointed that to you but burning should function for a overload composition. I use: c6 benny, dentro traveler,albedo and kuki/shogun. Even liza should perform nicely for the electro slot.
    Love those testing/comparing videos you make! Keep going!

  • @MichaelK34752
    @MichaelK34752 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE hyperbloom and learning that its effect is competitive with other dendro reactions is cherry on top.
    i just love it for ease of use, too many eremites have simply walked away from my dendro cores and that really killed bloom for me.
    and without UBER strong hydro application (only xingqu on my acc) mass producing them to force explosion wasn't really an option

  • @shiningsun4023
    @shiningsun4023 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video !

  • @MisoSanSoup
    @MisoSanSoup ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting video!
    It would be amazing if you could do a video about burgeon Amber! This build makes her viable at c0 which is amazing!

  • @infine-8222
    @infine-8222 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should try using electrocharge masking for burgeon. Team is DMC-XQ-Fischl-Thoma. EC works conceptually similar to fridging for the purpose of seed production (exact mechanics are different, but the goal is the same - more seeds per dendro application). I think it also prevents burning for the most part.
    Though you may get a few stray hyperblooms and overloads in the process.

  • @kierstenhello9
    @kierstenhello9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just like watching your videos in general, so i certainly wont say no to another one :P

  • @shikasi
    @shikasi ปีที่แล้ว +67

    I wonder how much "worth" to dendro reactions Nahida is going to add, since I'm still assuming Collei is Amber tier for Dendro and Traveler is Traveler tier for dendro, but because they're the only off-field dendro applicators in the game, we just don't know any better.

    • @ahamadsemiyan7760
      @ahamadsemiyan7760 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Isn’t traveler’s dendro application enough? Are they not good enough?

    • @kingdoom5022
      @kingdoom5022 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      I disagree with that , yeah mihoyo gonna release better dendro characters than MC but not by much , traveller burst with hydro have literally the biggest AoE in the entire game , he have 75% uptime dendro application and he shares EM and at C6 he gives 12% damage bonus

    • @Gio_in_6D
      @Gio_in_6D ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I mean, if that's our "low tier" every dendro character I going to be incredible

    • @Chopsparillo
      @Chopsparillo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not really. Dendro reactions work well with Traveler’s level of application. The only thing that could be better is a character with a longer off field aoe Dendro application duration.

    • @x_Psyduck_x
      @x_Psyduck_x ปีที่แล้ว +7

      while traveler could be powercrept in future they still will be very much viable because of strong and consistend dendro application from burst, so dendro-traveler will remain better than any other element traveler we have so far.

  • @pedrosilva-di4lg
    @pedrosilva-di4lg ปีที่แล้ว

    GREAT VIDEO! Pls do a 4* weapons with aggravate and spread

  • @GothiQhaQer
    @GothiQhaQer ปีที่แล้ว

    I love a good fridge team and this one is a very solid one 🙌🏾

  • @autobee23
    @autobee23 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I personally use Burgeon the most since I’m a Thoma main, and it’s fun to watch things go boom. 😂

  • @Pelfmiester
    @Pelfmiester ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been trying out a Yanfei Burgeon team. Haven't tried it in the Abyss yet but it feels pretty good in the over world. Yanfei, Dendro MC, Collei, Kokomi.

    • @christyobrien7680
      @christyobrien7680 ปีที่แล้ว

      might build yanfei instead of Thoma cause I have skyward atlas how do u recommend to build her as a sub dps cause ill use mona instead of kokomi

  • @juanvaldivia8001
    @juanvaldivia8001 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gotta take a moment to appreciate my man's dodge skills, they're on point good stuff

  • @HusennHudson
    @HusennHudson ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I really like Hyper Kuki (Kuki Huperbloom) but still farming to get her a better piece

  • @dub2459
    @dub2459 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is to be expected, Dendro is basically just here to make electro viable, pyro doesn’t need a buff vap and melt already hit hard.

  • @HaeRosae
    @HaeRosae ปีที่แล้ว

    I always love these videos but god dang all of the characters at full volume going at once is so overwhelming.

  • @foureyeddragon00
    @foureyeddragon00 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oof, glad I watched this before I invested much more into my idea of a burning team. Guess I will stick with bloom/hyperbloom for now even though I am starting to get a bit bored with the characters.

  • @TengouX
    @TengouX ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a lot of trouble making up team comps for spiral abyss because I was just lacking in good, well built characters, but now Dendro exists my waifu Kuki has powered up tremendously for very little investment. Just full EM artifacts with an iron sting and she's good to go.
    Now I got a new Quicken/Hyperbloom team with Tighnari, Kuki and Mona (with Dendro traveler for Dendro resonance) that is more than sufficient to keep me alive thanks to Kuki's heals, and the fact that Kuki's healing also scales off EM means I can sacrifice HP to pump my EM without losing much of my healing.
    So essentially Kuki's new role in Dendro comps means I can free up my standard supports for other teams, and this was my first 36 star abyss

  • @arifamirul9126
    @arifamirul9126 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like using Hyperbloom, exactly i loves seeing skill like homing missile, ningguang, dori E also Tighnari Q and charge attack

  • @lofreeq
    @lofreeq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On this channel I drop the like already before watching the video

  • @jamesheo106
    @jamesheo106 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best genshin content creator period

  • @antonmaul2702
    @antonmaul2702 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also I would love to see xinyan as a surgeon trigger of possible, I know thoma is more consistent but I am just curious about her. Might need something like childe and xingqiu to keep up with her ticks from her ahield

  • @vino-k5650
    @vino-k5650 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imo I would love to see her burgeon and hyperbloom perform with the hydro character build as dps. Cuz hydro characters are specialized in their vaporize too. With proper build hydro, burgeon will also be as good as hyperbloom

  • @MikuVocaloidHD
    @MikuVocaloidHD ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think burning will be usable when they give us a character with specific passive to make it work, like Nilou with bloom. Maybe Dehya.

    • @Axterix13
      @Axterix13 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I hope they don't ruin Dehya by making her tied to burning. It would that be a waste of her awesome character design. And it would also suck for burn to only be viable if you use one specific character.

    • @toolazytoholdagrudge1148
      @toolazytoholdagrudge1148 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Axterix13 as if we don't have enough pyro dps for vape and melt reaction. This patch is all about dendro and she might be the best contender for buffing burning reactions like what they did to Nilou.

  • @neuplop
    @neuplop ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see it with quicken in there too! But with 4* dmg dealers with 4* weapons, like the fischl beidou xingqiu sucrose, vs fischl beidou traveler sucrose vs kuki traveler xingqiu sucrose

  • @mega17
    @mega17 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Something worth considering is Kuki's team is benefitting immensely from Quicken & Aggravate. It's pretty much unavoidable.
    I also think it would be worth testing what these teams are like of you didn't avoid having good atk/crit stats too. Fridge doesn't have to be bloom focused, it could be more of a cryo-dendro hybrid-dps team.

    • @AzureDrag0n1
      @AzureDrag0n1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I use Kuki hyper bloom and aggravate and spread are negligible. What is actually significant is electro charged. My hyper bloom can do 28k x 2 every pulse on average. My electro charge can do some ~10k x however many enemies there are / sec.
      2 enemies you will dish out 40k damage but 3 enemies will dish out 60k from one electro charge reaction. However hyper bloom can target different characters so if 1 of the blooms targets a different enemy it will also proc so it can be 84k damage from one proc of hyper bloom. If all 3 target the same enemy then it will only be 56k. I think that is not bad for Kuki.
      I do not have Dendro set quite built yet so I just use the Noblesse set to pump up everyone on my team instead.
      Maybe if my Kuki had very cracked stats then aggravate might do something more significant. Mostly she just has 4pc Gilded Dreams that add up to about 1000 EM.

  • @reconserra9997
    @reconserra9997 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Right now, I don't care who's the strongest. I'm just happy that the MC has finally gotten his redemption arc.

  • @skylarsobczak8040
    @skylarsobczak8040 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd definitely like to see this repeated with some other underlying reactions for hyperbloom and burgeon. Things like hyperfridge and salad, and quick burgeon and freeze burgeon.

  • @nara-yana
    @nara-yana ปีที่แล้ว

    Hoping for some crazy Dendro aplicator exclusive for Burning + Melt stuff in the future!

  • @banjokazuya2913
    @banjokazuya2913 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Man I'll deffo pull for Kuki next time she is featured on a banner

  • @wildfire_
    @wildfire_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    fun fact, if your running xingqiu as the sole hydro in hyperbloom, you can use kuuki's burst to apply electro to dendro traveller's burst before it can infuse hydro

  • @Red-zh3pk
    @Red-zh3pk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Burgeon is so fun if throwing a electro unit. running Raiden, MC, kokomi, and Thoma. So fun!

  • @RejectedInch
    @RejectedInch ปีที่แล้ว +18

    So far Raiden -bloom is my favorite, with a flex slot that is either Zhongli or Kazuha depending on what i am fighting ( remember the mantra " Kazuha will be irrelevant with dendro" ? Happy news: it was utter bs)

    • @aciesara5444
      @aciesara5444 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't remember. In fact, this is the first time I read that mantra.

    • @x_Psyduck_x
      @x_Psyduck_x ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@aciesara5444 some people said that dendro would be some kind of nerf for anemo characters because it doesn't swirl which even then was very questionable because well...everything else swirls.

    • @deltaspecies1697
      @deltaspecies1697 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dendro really made sucrose even more broken lol. She was arguably of the top 5 units in the game and she got even better.
      Kazuha i think didnt receive that much of a boost. He didnt get any weaker either.
      Venti is venti. When he works hes the best unit in the game. Otherwise hes just a good unit

    • @Aventurine.f2p
      @Aventurine.f2p ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plus there new weapon good for kazhua

    • @Blue-zh8px
      @Blue-zh8px ปีที่แล้ว

      Kazuha adds nothing to hyperbloom teams tho unless he's C2, which would still be inferior to Sucrose.

  • @angelsadventure4996
    @angelsadventure4996 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pyro main : we are going to burn everything.
    Hydro main : we'll forever be relevant.
    Electro main : finally, we'll shine!

  • @xXasdfMAN12Xx
    @xXasdfMAN12Xx ปีที่แล้ว

    I would really love to see how burning stacks up now that Nahida is in the game, that consistent dendro application would be a lot better in this scenario

  • @darkgix6326
    @darkgix6326 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it when using my aggravate Team and it starts raining. Boom everything gone even faster bcause of add hyperblooms

  • @fusionfallmaster
    @fusionfallmaster ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally like using burgeon with Kazuha's swirl as the trigger. Kazuha's high EM and VV shred causes burgeon to deal so much more damage. My go-to combo is MC burst, Xingqiu burst, Bennet burst, Kazuha burst then auto attacks. Even though anemo has no direct interaction with dendro, using swirl to trigger burgeon allows both elements to capitalize on one source of EM.

    • @christyobrien7680
      @christyobrien7680 ปีที่แล้ว

      might use this and have ganyu melt on the other side

  • @Aki-gb8gm
    @Aki-gb8gm ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont have Kuki or Raiden so I havent been able to try out hyperbloom (fischl doesnt work super well plus shes better in aggravate lol) but ive been loving burgeon thoma!! Crying over the fact that i can finally use him, and with Ayato/Kokomi especially! (the pretty hydros lol)

    • @Fco2k7
      @Fco2k7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can try with EM Lisa at level 90 if you dont have Kuke or Baal. You'll need an anemo character to pull the seeds together and then detonate them with Lisa's ult.

    • @Aki-gb8gm
      @Aki-gb8gm ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Fco2k7 hmm i built my lisa for aggravate but ill try her in hyperbloom as well thanks!

    • @narukami4959
      @narukami4959 ปีที่แล้ว

      just use sucrose hyperbloom (sucrose fischl xingqiu dmc)

  • @antsensei1481
    @antsensei1481 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Have you tried using 4pc lavawalker to increase the damage of burning alongside it being a full EM build? Im sure it would do better than what was resulted. Another thing, I think Albedo's burst wouldve helped also

    • @Axterix13
      @Axterix13 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think there's room for Albedo in the team. You need 2 dendros to keep the fire going and a pyro. That leaves room for one character, and that pretty much means an anemo for VV, because -40% pyro resistance (and grouping, swirl, and EM/DMG buffs).

    • @antsensei1481
      @antsensei1481 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Axterix13 I think it would be nice to have a future dendro character that does apply a lot of dendro

    • @karimhegazy3866
      @karimhegazy3866 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait does DMG% increase reaction damage? I thought only level, EM, specific artifact set effects, and element resistance affects it

  • @kaptinkitten3683
    @kaptinkitten3683 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a feeling burning will continue to be bad(mostly inconsistent) until we get a character with constant on demand dendro application. Maybe a catalyst or dendro infusion.

  • @1millionRamen
    @1millionRamen ปีที่แล้ว

    i never have a 5 star character and i was lucky that i got kuki 2 times in standard banner. and when sumero was released. i was happy i can deal a powerful damage every hyperbloom.

  • @EternalDream
    @EternalDream ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd like to share some more thoughts on Burn:
    Collei by herself CAN fuel Burn consistently (especially with Sacrificial, but with c2 she doesn't even necessarily need that if you can stick near enemies) by spacing her Q and E apart, and is the best option multi-target due to her Q's AoE. Tighnari is better for single target (though that's a bit cheating with his personal damage), but struggles keeping dendro on more than one enemy.
    In addition, her Q's ICD is even "forced" by Mihoyo to let Burn drop and then retrigger immediately (losing at most 1 tick in the process), which allows stuff like Gilded Dreams to re-activate (which it does not when refreshing Burn - that's not a reaction!), and resets the Burn Gauge to 2U (preventing swirls from deleting it when they happen too fast, which is especially important with Venti's high swirl count in Q)
    On top of this, double dendro in Burn is a mistake. DMC does very little to help short of maybe triggering Sapwood, who's leaf is terrible to pick up, and his Q is a liability more often than it helps. Dendro Resonance also only lets Burn get 80 EM, not the full 100, and at the amount of EM you typically have, that's a very small effective bonus to the team. Instead, full EM Xiangling (if we keep it to 4* units) or instructor Zhongli (if we allow 5*) are much more beneficial, with the former having pyro shred and EM ascension stat, and the latter having universal shred and an ever helpful shield. Pyro shred is vital, as VV sucrose already shows.
    It's still the worst Dendro reaction, don't get me wrong, but there's some nuance to it, and a burn-dedicated pyro character can absolutely solve quite a few of its shortcomings.
    Better than Shatter still :^)

  • @AryanDraws
    @AryanDraws ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First! Love your videos man

  • @DmtryAtroz
    @DmtryAtroz ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'd like to see a limited to 4* average full team
    Because at least for me, i went with a Tasserbloom team to clear this current abyss and went amazingly ngl
    Sucrose - Yelan - DMC - Shinobu

    • @arashi302
      @arashi302 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually that's hyperbloom xD though yeah it does have electro charge in it, nvm

    • @arashi302
      @arashi302 ปีที่แล้ว

      But yeah agreed, it clears amazingly :D

    • @try_hard2415
      @try_hard2415 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same but i use fichl sucrose dmc and mona since i dont have any other hydro char
      The dmg is pretty good especially for my ar

  • @celaninari8806
    @celaninari8806 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've love to see some properly built teams go for it.

  • @spacialsonic7779
    @spacialsonic7779 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel Burning is actually not good also. Maybe in futur this will be better.
    i send my suggestion / Idea Showcase: Who the best Main Dps Electro Bloom? (Kequin vs Raiden vs Cyno (3.1))

  • @chuii_
    @chuii_ ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't know about burning reaction effects, now I know why I was dying really fast with my Bennet in Co-op

  • @uddiptojana7884
    @uddiptojana7884 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think they could have made burning like aggravate or spread... That would have helped pyro units with small multipliers who cannot vape or melt reliably, like klee for instance

  • @moamengaber6355
    @moamengaber6355 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My day is complete now

  • @hex8113
    @hex8113 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If there was a pyro character with green hair, the thumbnail would've been perfect.

  • @lenwok3222
    @lenwok3222 ปีที่แล้ว

    While i'm really glad i grabbed kuki for my 2nd f2p account as well, its a shame she made me put my c6 thoma to the wayside on that account. Happened before this video too. The healing is so much better for overworld exploring too, and less reliance on burst in the rotation.

  • @sanzuriver2959
    @sanzuriver2959 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Honestly, I love this kind of comparison over the pointless DPS showdowns. Even better if we can see some creative concept teams in the future.
    (However, I don't think some concept team works yet with the current roster of Dendro characters)
    Eitherway, take all my likes.

  • @irumasuzuki725
    @irumasuzuki725 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was fully expecting a raid shadow legends ad

  • @pedromarinsbede1584
    @pedromarinsbede1584 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Im using Mona's hyperbloom, with Mona, MC, XQ and Kuki. My better 12-1-1 time are around 13s ^^

    • @Fco2k7
      @Fco2k7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have the same comp but with EM Raiden. I need to get full stars on the 12-1 floor. I'll try a Hyperbloom team on that floor.

  • @thomaspq3447
    @thomaspq3447 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Vape vs aggravate when

    • @alex9502
      @alex9502 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lmao no, is like comparing melt vs overloaded

    • @shura4365
      @shura4365 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alex9502 Aggravate is much better than overload.

    • @scucumber9730
      @scucumber9730 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it's so obvious that vape wins 😔

    • @thomaspq3447
      @thomaspq3447 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scucumber9730 yes but i want to see how close aggravate is to vape

    • @yanxii1527
      @yanxii1527 ปีที่แล้ว

      They're totally different things. Vape is a simple 2x multiplier. Aggrevate however, will increase the dmg, but electo is still subject to its "death by a thousand cuts". Electro, chars (except Raiden) cannot output that much dmg in 1 instance, however overtime, they defo can do loads. Vape exact opposite, Big dmg once, then a while b4 they do it again

  • @Chaos_Phoenix
    @Chaos_Phoenix ปีที่แล้ว

    I wanna see a vape team with a dendro character. Im not too sure but burnings pyro application could help characters like poptart and ayato

  • @LadyHermes
    @LadyHermes ปีที่แล้ว

    That's a good video.

  • @Ala_tus
    @Ala_tus ปีที่แล้ว

    Though DMC and collei is good, I prefer to use A yelan instead of collei for the single target weakness; A built yelan can replace the lack of blooms in teams with only DMC

  • @jasonstor4629
    @jasonstor4629 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    fridge with kaz instaed of collei is way better ( obviously) traveller is more than enough for dendro application

    • @jasonstor4629
      @jasonstor4629 ปีที่แล้ว

      As you can group all the bombs and enemies together in one spot, plus obvs damage bonus for hidro

    • @Romashka_Sov
      @Romashka_Sov ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Main rule was "only 4★ characters with one exception", so only Sucrose can go

  • @hypercube9531
    @hypercube9531 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know it's more inconsistent than the kuki hyperbloom team in the video given the difficulty in execution but I'd like to point out that teams using EM keqing/raiden/lisa as a hyperbloom driver theoretically have a higher DPS ceiling since they can reach the 2 hyperblooms every 0.5s limit, as opposed to kuki's 2 hyperblooms every 1s, as her elemental skill ticks slower than the aforementioned characters auto attacks. Of course the main problem is having consistent dendro and hydro application to produce dendro cores at the same rate but I'm hoping Nahida will fill the role of off field fast dendro applicator.

    • @Axterix13
      @Axterix13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kuki ticks every 1.5s, not every 1s. Her burst ticks every 0.5s, though, so for 2 to 3.5s, she can set off blooms every 0.5s due to an AoE. Raiden's E can only be proc'd every 0.9s per party, so nope, she can't do it every 0.5s. Not unless she's bugged, anyway. She's also a five star, so less accessible to many players. Lisa would have some gaps in her ability to provide frequent ticks, which could be a drawback in longer fights. Always trade-offs.

  • @gamingfa6767
    @gamingfa6767 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    BRO HYPERBLOOM IS OPPP my kuki is 420 em (rn is level 40) and my team is kuki(em) furina water apply and kirara (i have no good dendro character) for dendro and layla for shield

  • @darksider6376
    @darksider6376 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it would be cool if the burning dmg was based on enemy's max hp..like every tick do 1% of enemy's max health.

  • @losergamer04
    @losergamer04 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’d like to see how my hyper bloom compares. I run Kuki, XQ, Dendro MC, and Sucrose. It’s a complete mixed bag but it’s flexible. I’m not sure how it compares to other “proper” teams, though.

    • @marclenraymagdaraog691
      @marclenraymagdaraog691 ปีที่แล้ว

      it's good any hyper blooms as long as it has Kuki with full EM build is going to be great.

  • @jp754
    @jp754 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    kinda unfair with the first showcase since diona shield did so much self damage to the vishap

  • @ravenger2445
    @ravenger2445 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Quick question, when Nahida comes out, will she be be better with Deepwood memories or gilded dreams? for some reason, the game is pretty much only giving me Deepwood, with gilded appearing every 80 resin. Also, I plan to run a Hyperbloom team with Kuki, will the Dendro cores' damage scale off of Kuki's EM or Nahida's EM?

    • @doublekc
      @doublekc ปีที่แล้ว

      If Nahida is the only dendro user, wear Deepwood. If she has a teammate that wears deepwood, you can wear Gilded with it. Hyperbloom dmg will be scaled off Kuki's EM as she is the one who triggers it. 1150 EM Kuki's hyperbloom does around 31-32k dmg iirc.

  • @merin9357
    @merin9357 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video! What is the song that plays at 3:23?