Reading some of these comments are blowing my mind - Coby clearly says that she knows Star Wars was inspired by Dune which is a fact and Coby has reacted to Star Wars for this channel so clearly she is going to see some of the things that inspired Lucas - this is an analysis of the film - this is Coby’s analysis but please get your facts straight before writing that “Star Wars was based on Dune!” because she knows that, she stated it in her opening thesis. This is the context of the reaction. lol. Okay, please try and enjoy her reaction to Dune Part Two coming next week! lol 😅😂❤
lol expecting logic in comments. From the analytics, I suspect you can see many skip the intros (prior to the start of the movie) and how few actually finish the video. Also there is a certain contingent who go from reaction to reaction of their pet movies to drop fun facts or looking for anyone to say something that triggers them. A hazard of the job, I'm afraid. I appreciate you trying to stem the tide, but I do not think you have enough fingers for all of the holes in this dam. Another fun reaction by Coby. Also, Coby, you would look very odd with blue eyes. It was a trend in Texas in the 90s for young people in Houston to wear colored contact lenses to give themselves blue eyes. It was like walking around in Cyberpunk, and not in a good way.
Yep, I came to the comments to see how many Dune fanatics were yelling "Dune was first!!!!" and I haven't even gotten past the first comment to see that I'm (sadly not) disappointed. Coby says she's not a sci-fi person and SW is her biggest commitment to date, so aside from the ubiquitous nature of SW in the cultural zeitgeist, Coby has been saturated in SW imagery and stories lately. Anyway, I applaud Coby making connections in terms of sci-fi heritage, even if, for some, it is "backwards" or "wrong". The internet never fails… Sending positive energy ❤ to Coby in case she braves the comment section. Way to go, guys, way to put her off watching Part 2. *Sigh*
then she should not be acting like an idiot and constantly bringing up Star Wars when things don't align either. Why couldn't she pay attention and not miss stuff?
@@charleshartley9597 you need to stop dickriding then. She was annoying in this reaction by constantly bringing Star Wars. I would not even mind if she did not watch Dune 2 because she is gonna miss a lot of things like she did here by constantly whining about other movies. And applaud her for making connections? What connections?
The worm's "hairs" are actually teeth. A crysknife, like the one that Chani gives to Paul for his fight, is made from a worm's tooth. It's very sacred to the Fremen. I read the book when I was 13. What I got out of it was space ships, battles and giant worms. I read it again in high school. Then I got the religious context. Over the years I've read the book 5 times, each time getting more and more out of it. I'm 70 now (how did that happen?) and last read it 5 years ago after I retired. Just as LOTR is truly classic, so is Dune.
Same , well I saw the 84 movie, and read the book at 18 , and read it again 10 years later , and then years later , I've probably read it ? 12 times , at least , but I usually find something new in each reading, or something hits you differently, with age , the philosophy or religion, politics, ect ,
Good comparison. I think Frank Herbert and Tolkien are on a level all to themselves. Their stories are some of the most incredible feats of human imagination ever produced. The creation of entire worlds, ecosystems, races, cultures, religions, languages, history, mythology… all in great depth. Truly amazing. The only contemporary author I can think of who comes close is Neal Stephenson, and as great as he is, he’s small step behind these two. It’s a VERY exclusive club.
When the Shadout Mapes asked Jessica if she knew the meaning of the crysknife, Jessica knew several meanings, but knew Mapes was testing her, and didn’t want to give the wrong answer, so she played for time. She gave the dictionary definition of “knife,” in the Chakobsa (Fremen) language, translated into Galach Standard, which was “maker of death.” However, she didn’t get past the first word because Mapes expected one of the other meanings, and never in a million years did she expect Jessica to say the name of the Great Sandworm, the source of the crysknife, which the Fremen call the Maker. A name which they only say in their private ceremonies, a name no outworlder could possibly know. The lady standing before her-which might or might not be the Lisan al’Gaib-had just dropped, ever so casually, the secret holy name of the hidden god of the Fremen, into a discussion of the sacred weapon. It was a miracle like Jesus walking on water-a miracle Mapes had been waiting for all her life. Of course she shrieked-it was dragged out of her by religious ecstasy.
kind of funny but also frustrating to see someone constantly thinking they 'get it' and see what the story is doing but every comment is completely wrong lol - "he's *The One* he's like Neo" - no. "he has this otherworldly power" - no. "that is the worm noise" - no. "oh it TALKS!" - no. etc. Dune has no supernatural elements, no fate, no mysticism, and it's a criticism of tropes like the Chosen One lol. he's the product of genetic engineering, and specialized training to create a supergenius, basically
The voices aren't the worm talking, they're ancestral memories being awoken by Paul's exposure to the spice. It's easier to understand after you've watched the second part.
@@goyasolidar That's also not entirely truth. While he's hearing ancestral voices, it's not the ancestors that's talking to him. There is a bigger entity.
It's a very difficult task to condense a 600 page book(with 4 appendices) that has a multi-thousand year backstory of dense world building. Villeneuve does it beautifully. There is no "Force", and the Voice is but one skill of the Bene Gesserit. Paul has been trained from infancy in three of the deepest disciplines that humanity has developed across the previous 30,000 years. The Bene Gesserit have completely mastered their bodies and minds, The Mentats(Thufir Hawat with the umbrella) are human supercomputers and Duncan was a Swordmaster of the Ginaz, the greatest swordsmen of the Imperium. On top of that he has been mentored by Gurney Halleck, the most feared warrior in the galaxy and he is the son of Leto the Just. And a genetic freak bred over a thousand generations. The politics are byzantine and there are plans within plans.
Beautiful, concise explanation. One thing though-- in a conversation remembered by someone later, Duncan Idaho once said that in sparring, Gurney could beat him six times out of ten.
not 30,000 years dune takes place in the year 10191 the year zero IN THEIR CALENDER WAS THE YEAR 13,000 ad so this is taking place 23191 years after the year 13,000 so its aprox 21167 years into our future
I'm not surprised, especially as a sci-fi noob, that you're kind of lost. The Dune books are very dense. The story is masterfully woven in with the world-building and sci-fi elements. A lot of the story is communicated by the thoughts of the characters too. The movies skip over a lot of detail and context and try to get by on the stunning visuals. This could be a whole season of hour long episodes and still not capture the full depth of Herbert's writing.
I assume someone on the patreon has explained it, but - the personal shields are meant to stop things going above a certain speed, it'll stop a bullet, a punch, someone swinging or stabbing you with a knife/weapon, however, if you slowly bring the knife past the shield, it'll go through. That's why Josh Brolin, earlier, when he was sparring with Paul, says "The slow blade penetrates the shield". It's the difference between slapping down on a body of water, and meeting stiff resistance, and slowly putting your hand and it going through with no resistance at all. The red signifies something 'slow' penetrating the shield, while blue signifies 'stopping' something from penetrating
@@nadeeml9276 basically a non-newtonian shield (fluid). The slow blade or the slow screw (like that used on the Duke) eventually penetrate. There is so many small details that really make this a good adaptation, but some are better done by lynch in the 80s. Hope you watch that one too...
The shields are what make guns and or lasers in this universe useless. They block fast moving targets but, if you can approach them slowly you can move through the shield and penetrate it. That's when it shows up red. That's why they use swords and knives instead of futuristic weapons. In close combat you can push through the shield and go for the kill.
Lasers also have a nuclear reaction when they come into contact with a shield, killing both the target and the shooter. And probably everyone else in a large area. So the use of shields has also made lasers much less prevalent.
@@thechristianarchist662that's why it surprised me that the Harkkonnen capital ship went after the Thopter Duncan flew with a Las gun. It was shielded. Doing so is highly suicidal.
@@ravissary79 Thopters on Arrakis arent shielded the static in the atmosphere generated by sand storms disrupts all but the biggest shield generators (and shields attract worms) theyre only used for the biggest fortifications (that worms cant reach)
@Bangpath247 in these movies they have shield generators. They're referenced 3 different times. 1- when saving the spuce crawler crew, they needed to fit 7 workers per thopter, and it was specifically stated they'd only fit on if they removed and threw out their shield generators. 2- when Dincan takes a thopter during the battle of Arakeen, he launches a massive salvo of micro missiles at enemy ships, blowing them up, but immediately received a counterattack that was deflected by the shields, there's a blue glow and the whole craft recoils from the force but is unscathed. They the capital ship fired a blue laser and he escaped because he couldn't tank it... which makes sense lore wise. 3- in part2, when Paul and the fremen are attacking the Harkonnen spice harvesters, they have to use a distraction technique to hit the thopters with a rocket propelled explosive, because otherwise they couldn't get past the thopters' shield. So sorry but the fact is these thopters were shielded.
@@thechristianarchist662 thats not entirely accurate, there is a CHANCE of a nuclear reaction not a definite chance but just a chance and where the reaction occurs is never definitive it can happen at Point A or Point B or even between Point A and B meaning there is a chance someone else outside of the fight is harmed but neither party harmed
Slow strikes breach the shield, swift strikes are deflected-Hand to hand combat in Dune is as such-Slow on attack, swift on defense. The physics of the Holtzman shield blocks fast movements but permits slower ones.
And to continue with inspirations, Frank Herbert, author of the Dune books was inspired by another book which was also made into a movie: Lawrence of Arabia.
Regarding Jessica hunching over in pain during Paul's Gom Jabbar test: Jessica was not feeling Paul's pain or communicating with him at all. All Bene Gesserit(including Jessica) go through the test as part of their training. So what Jessica was feeling was the remembering of her own pain coupled with the fear of losing her son if he failed the test. As for what the test is, it's basically a culling to weed out any people with access to great power that would be uncontrollable and dangerous. It's about impulse control at an extreme level. Anyone with access to that much power must either have the strength of will to be able to control themselves(like Paul) or they must be able to be controlled by the Bene Gesserit. The danger would be a person that can't control themselves and also can't be controlled by an exterior force. Think of the worst Roman emperors. In this case, the danger Paul poses is due to the training he's received. Not only does he have a load of genetic gifts based on a thousand generations of selective breeding by the Bene Gesserit, but he has also been trained in the secret BG ways by Jessica, been trained to be a human supercomputer(mentat) by the guy with the parasol, been trained in combat by the best swordsman in the Imperium, been trained in the ways of war by one of the best strategists in the Imperium, and been trained in politics by both Leto and Jessica. If Paul lacked control, he'd be like the worst weapon of mass destruction wandering around with a faulty trigger that could go at any moment. Safer to end him in a controlled fashion instead of letting him go boom.
the training that made him the best warrior was the prana bindu training. the BG are the literal finest warriors in the known universe moreso than anyone else
@@charleshartley9597 In that case you should do a search for a series called "Silo", season 2 just started and shes the star in it. Post appocalytic setting, kind of like a fallout vault. Very good show BUT it airs on apple TV, but it's available on the high seas too.
Definitely not one of Coby's strongest reactions. Too busy trying to guess things, get those things wrong, misses the answers, continues to be lost. Not really the type of movie you're going to get ahead of by guessing.
@@mohammedashian8094 If you put 25% of your attention towards guessing things and getting almost all of it wrong, and then have to spend another 25% of your attention on trying to understand where your guesses went awry, you're not going to understand the movie. It's as simple as that. Most Sci-Fi is derivative of Dune, but that doesn't mean everything lines up exactly the same. The One in the Matrix is not the same as The One in Star Wars. So which is it? If you guess, you're going to be wrong most likely, because it's not down to these two options either.
wdym this movie has the most basic plotline ever. And the sequel is just Avatar in a desert only instead of Jake Sully there's Paul. Let's not pretend this movie is Twin Peaks or Mulholland Drive level of confusing. You can easily guess most of the plot and understand everything.
Kinda wish nobody told you that there was an influence from Dune to Star Wars or you were also told a crap ton of sci-fi was influenced by it. It made you jump to some weird conclusions trying to make 1:1 comparisons.
Yeah, I kept wishing she would just take it for what it is instead of going like "oh that's like the force". Dune is it's own thing, it doesn't need to be compared to Star Wars.
contrary to this popular belief its not actually accurate, george was inspired by lots of things but his primary inspiration was the Foundation which came out before dune and unlike dune wasn't plagueruzed(frank stole much of the series from the sabres of paradise)
Dune is one of the most influential novels in the genre of science fiction. It ranks alongside Robert Heinleins starship troopers and stranger in a strange land, Arthur c Clark's Rendevous with Rama and 2001, and isaac Asimovs foundation and robot series in terms of influence. Frank Herbert 6 Dune novels are considered science fictions equivalent to Tolkiens lord of the rings though Tolkien did not enjoy Dune when he read it
52:30, Paul can’t control the worm because The Voice only works on humans. That spider creature that the Harkonnens call a pet is actually made from a human being. Some viewers believe it is what is left of Dr. Yueh’s wife Wanna. Not shown in the movies is an all male group of mad scientists called the Bene Tleilax. Where the Bene Gesserit focus on mastery of the human mind, body and blending bloodlines, the Tleilax focus on twisting the nature order of such things. They are employed by the noble houses to create special chemical components, medicines and other biological concoctions. For a price, Tleilax are even willing to work on actual living people. So the spider creature would be something they would be more than willing to create for the Harkonnens.
A lot of people prematurely compare Dune and Star Wars. While there are certainly similarities, they are pretty shallow ones, and the differences are far more intense once you take time to think about them. Of course just due to the genres they are in, there will be some overlap. Dune was certainly *AN* influence, but a lot of people pretend away all the other influences on Star Wars that we know of (Flash Gordon series, Kurosawa samurai films, Joseph Campbell's "Monomyth" story structure, WWII films, etc.), to imagine it as a carbon copy. The two are quite different. One is closer to "hard" sci-fi, the other is science fantasy. One takes place in the past; the other in the future. One is a warning of messianic figures and religious jihad built on a personal interest of the author on ecology; the other is a more personal story built around the Hero's Journey concept, and which focuses mostly on the clash of light and dark, or good versus evil. One features all kinds of alien races; the other basically just has human - although the Navigators are altered from using the Spice. Once you look past the superficial stuff (a desert planet - holy sh*t, how did TWO people have that same idea?!), in many ways the two franchises appear to be polar opposites.
I mean, calling them superficial feels like way underplaying it considering how much there is in common… but yeah those other influences you mention clearly played a huge role too and ignoring them is at least as wrong as ignoring the clear Dune influence. At least part of the reason I think Dune gets more mention for Star Wars is that Lucas denies it, while the Kurosawa and WWII airplane movie influences are widely talked known. I don’t think you can put the similarities down to the “genre”, most of the similarities are pretty limited to a few closely related stories/universes.. along with Foundation and Warhammer 40k. That’s in no way slighting Star Wars, great stories all draw on elements from others. And as much as they have in common do all take very different approaches and meanings from what they share.
It's really sad that they can't separate the two to be honest. There's nothing wrong with making comparisons but when you keep doing that without taking new information as it comes, it just becomes pointless. You're missing out because you're no longer learning new information, you're comparing, interpreting and making it fit those expectations.
@@earth2saka For the people that focus on what came first, or take it as “stealing from” or being lazy etc then I’d agree. A lot of people have their favorite “universe” and can get very defensive in the others that “theirs” is the best/most valid/most original. That said, it’s also missing something not to consider/acknowledge the comparisons as part of the context. I can see how it could lead to pre-set expectations that undermine what you’re actually watching/reading, though I’d argue that some of those expectations are going to be there influencing your interpretation whether you recognize it or not. It certainly doesn’t stop you from taking in new information, it’s just making more information available as context to consider. Recognizing the different ways that movies partially inspired/influenced by each other or with the same mutual influences can make them both deeper/more interesting. Star Wars, Dune, and 40k for instance all have a LOT of similarities across their Jedi/Bene Geserit/Psychers but they all focus on very different aspects and take different meaning from them into the larger universe. One of the OP’s differences between Dune and esp Lucas’s part of Star Wars is actually something I’d consider a similarity worth thinking about. They both rely heavily on the mono-myth, yes Star Wars takes it pretty directly but Dune does use it too… specifically to subvert its meaning and undercut the idea of individual “heroes” being very heroic at all (it’s definitely open to debate whether Dune manages to subvert it though, considering how so many interpret it). In fact, the way the Star Wars films have so heavily revolved around one family who are the only ones that seem to matter a lot of the time… it’s exactly what Dune tries to subvert. For me, they stand on their own but it adds a lot to recognize how they approach/represent similar ideas, or the different ways they may use very similar characters/events/settings.
and frank stole much of dune from the sabres of paradise. and star wars doesn't take place in OUR PAST but the past of the nararrator. its a story within a story its supposed to be in our universe in a galaxy far away in the past of whoever is telling the story SO ITS IN OUR FUTURE
@@RocketSurgn_ he denies it because its not true, he denies being inspired by dune yet he openly admits he was inpsired by the foundation which came out before dune
The original Dune movie in the 80s was done in a single film, which made them do a little better job of explaining the lore of that world as they told it. These newer versions are very well done, but almost need the audience to have some preliminary basic knowledge of that world or like Coby there's questions that pop up because she's not going to have some of that without seeing or reading anything about it prior to this viewing. I wouldn't be able to remember what it would be like to watch this film without knowing what I already do about the world(s) of Dune. Good to see she's enjoying the film. Its writing as well as the visuals and the score.🖖
“Maybe Zendaya doesn’t even talk in the first one!” SO MANY PEOPLE forget that Zendaya has the FIRST ten sentences in the entire movie. She has the responsibility of giving 90% of the world’s backstory to you.
Please give the girl a break. She's trying and it is only fair, when lost, to go to familiar grounds. Plus, she stated in her intro that she knows Lucas has been influenced by Herbert's genius work. I have been a fan of this work for 30 years with the books, the earlier film and the computer games but I do not despise new comers getting acquainted with the lore. It is fantastic to see people sharing the love we have been having for so long, in our dark places. The sleeper must awaken. Just maybe do not yell at her awakening 😉.
Probably too late to matter, but…. The O in Coby Reacts was an awesome touch at the start. And you released the next vid within like 24 hours which is a holiday gift, so thank you for that PRoulette
(in the voice of the Emperor) "Oh no, Coby, my young Jedi. When it comes to Dune, you will find it is you who are mistaken. About a great many things." Don't worry, though. Dune is a dense series of novels, and the movies are not that much better at explaining things. It requires a focused attention to catch all the subtle nuance and complex politics and history. To be honest, it is not suited to reaction channels, even though all the fans want to see other people react to it. As others have stated, this isn't Star Wars with its large passages of exposition. Dune gives you a tiny bit of back story... then throws you into the deepest part of the ocean and expects you to swim for land. One BIG point to know: The voice isn't "The Force". It is more like a skill, known to the women in the Bene Gesserit. Paul's mother, a member of that order, taught it to him (even though she wasn't supposed to). As you will find, they do have "mystical-like" powers, but the voice is more like a skill (though I'm sure it was a big influence on George Lucas when he created a similar ability attributed to a jedi's use of the force.) One little point to know: Those aren't hairs surrounding the mouth of the sandworms, they are teeth. The same teeth the Fremen use to form the blades of their crysknives-their chosen weapon. Maybe rewatch the movie when you don't have to worry about reacting to it. Repeated viewings, and undivided attention contribute greatly to understanding this story.
It is weird to watch someone that does not appreciate Sci Fi and Fantasy as a genre watch Dune. Literary speaking Dune is one of the most important books of the late 20th century. Lord of the Rings by Tolkien, Foundation by Asimov and Dune by Hebert all set up the basis of Sci Fi and Fantasy post 1970. All writers, film makers and screen writers have these book series as the groundwork of all current Sci Fi and fantasy. From Star Wars and Star Trek to Harry Potter and Game of Thrones they all have elements of each one of these books. Dune is more important because of the message that it is trying to get across about ecology and unrestrained power over people. Not paying attention to the story of Dune which the movie does pretty good without too much dialogue and exposition will cause the viewer to become what the writer is warning about. Be aware of power and how power is corrupting. Herbert wrote the next two books because people overlooked that warning in Dune. Dune itself is meant for a sophisticated reader because honestly Herbert gets weird really fast and you have to hold on to the narrative or you lose your focus on the weird. Herbert undoubtedly partook in the chemical recreations of the time and then put his experiences to paper but he created a masterpiece of literature. People who dismiss Sci Fi and Fantasy for their cultural relevance will miss the societal and human messages the story is trying to convey.
Lucas stole a lot from Dune, most notably the spice. Also the comparisons stem of the use of all three films of “the hero’s journey”. The comparisons are obviously there and the reactor watching the movie actually reacts in that. Crazy how that works.
@@dcallahan713Because no Dune fan wants to be constantly reminded about the copied product. Instead they want a reaction to the original product with an original reaction.
yeah, i know it’s her way in, but all the “the voice” is just “the force” comparisons in the beginning of the reaction almost made me stop watching 🤷🏾♂️
@@dreambrother82 The voice at the force. The Baron as Palpatine. The Music as a more rock version of SW and so on. But every reactor does this. I honestly think it's a rage bait tactic to increase engagement.
Idk why, but whenever Duke Leto Atreides, Paul's dad, says, "Here I am....Here I remain." It always gives me chills, and I get all emotional. Can't explain why, just always does.
I highly recommend reading the book. I`ve seen both movies and this version comes closest to capturing the essence of the book. Having said that, IMO the movie still doesn`t capture what, exactly, Paul is becoming. The gravity of what Paul is turning into, which you`ll see in part 2, is truly mind blowing and scary. Yes, you can see where "Star Wars" drew inspiration from this story. There are several parallels that can be drawn in both stories. And, although much like Paul, Anikan was the chosen one the fantasy of the "Force" is nothing compared to the religious zealotry of Dune. ( I apologize for the Star Wars reference)
The idea of a galactic empire in "Star Wars" may have got the idea from "Dune" but the original idea of a galactic empire where "Dune" got the idea from was from Issac Asimov`s novels "The Foundation" series which were the very first to come up with that idea. Also, David Lynch`s` version of "Dune" in the 1980`s, though not as technically as advanced effects wise as this version is - is none the less just as good an entertainment experience.
“The shield doesn’t protect you for long”. I know it can be hard to follow but if you’d spend more time actually listening to what is said, and less time talking, you’d have got it : shields block fast attacks. Gurney literally says : the slow blade penetrates the shield, while training Paul on Caladan. Dune is a complex and very rich universe. Please watch those movies while really paying attention.
Yep. I was thinking after about 10 minutes Dune isn't a good movie for a reaction video. Coby really needed to watch carefully without having to worry about what to say to the camera.
Yes because they are both sci fi stories from a similar era and one was heavily inspired by the other. It must be interesting to see for the first time and to share those thoughts in a reaction video about sharing thoughts on the movie being watched
@@DJLtravelvids Nothing wrong with making comparisons but when that's all you do it's just sad. You're not assimilating the information that the movie gives you, you're just interpreting through a comparison lens and making it fit into that point of view.
"I can't see. It's so dark." Sadly, your room is probably too light, and your TV's settings are poorly set. It's not a very dark film- it's quite easy to make out what's happening thanks to the film's masterful cinematography. Maybe consider looking into adjusting your settings? It might make things easier for you in the future. Good luck!
Why though? This kind of brand loyalty is childish stuff if you are an adult. You can suppress the urge to be a "well ackshually" person, it's not hard.
@Hooga89 That's your subjective opinion. I dont mind people having brand loyalty - passionate people are always fun to watch (or cringy.. which ends up being fun). Respecting nerds is fine by me.
Star Wars was the first movie to use special effects fine enough to accurately mimic the scenes sci-fi readers created in their minds while reading sci-fi books. People shouldn't forget what an accomplishment that was just because there have been decades of movies now using that tech, or even improved versions of it, in more recent movies. But I don't think anyone who loves the sci-fi genre would praise the plots of any of the Star Wars films. My god, they actually had to blow up the Death Star twice to complete installments in the series. Dune has such a dense, multilayers plot and touches upon mad scientists, killer AI robots, grossly mutated FTL pilots, eugenisists, feudal-style politics, human super-computers, mystical mental powers, fanatical religous zealots, epic betrayal, ecology, and astounding animals with fascinating life cycles. Not to menition drugs, too, and a very nice analogy of those drugs to oil being pumped out of the desert here on current day Earth. It is very much written for adults with excellent attention spans and some smarts. It is sort of an anti-Star Wars work of art for those of us who think Lucas aimed his work exclusively at kids, and I fully understand, but don't endorse, the animosity that exists between fans of both franchises. I can enjoy them both for what they are.
@@Yesquire0 doesn't matter. Dune created the concepts that Star Wars plaigerised. No one denies Star Wars is a hell of an achievement, but saying "that is very Star Wars!" is just factually wrong. No part of Dune is "very Star Wars". Every part of Star Wars is "very Dune/Flash Gordon"
the more you know about the books, some of the smallest moments hit really hard. movie is pretty good, very artistic, but the books are so dense it either would take a long time to adapt, or they have to cut and/change it to get it to work. there is so much depth to... well, everything. Denis doesn't spoonfeed you, but if you know what to look for, it's there. oh, and it's not a cliché saviour story... much more going on. these 2 parts are barely anything in the grand scheme. a drop that becomes a tsunami of events
I enjoy seeing the uninitiated watch Dune just to see what they can pick up and what they don't. Being a long time fan of the book and all the previous attempts to bring it to screen it's something I can't experience. I look forward to seeing what she thinks of part 2.
I was spent my teens growing up in North Africa. I adore the way this movie captures the feel of the brutal beauty of the Desert.......Dune was written in 1965 same year i was born. I am looking forward to you finishing the 2nd installment.
When Paul met the reverend mother and Jessica was in pain, she knew what he was going through because she had been through it too. What you called hairy, were the teeth, which the Crysknife is made of. The book Dune was released in '65.
Dune is Star Wars for adults. You'll meet people who have read the book many times over to the point they can recite large passages from the novel by memory. That's the sign of a great classic.
Arrakis is a cruel desert world and water is so sacred to the Fremen that even shedding tears is considered wasting water. Even their cultural sayings revolve around references to water and the desert. When Stilgar spat on the table (while gross and an insult to us) is an incredible sign of respect that he would give his own water to another leader, as Jason Mamoa’s character said. These are really complicated and detailed books, and I couldn’t wrap my head around them when I was a kid. Denes Villeneuve is a genius and he really clarified what was so incomprehensible to me.
As I like to tell people, Dune is basically the setup for the universe making a hard left. There is so much to the universe - technology, factions, religion & prophecy...the list goes on. I've read the books multiple times and keep discovering things, hopefully you enjoyed it enough to keep going, and have someone to answer some questions lol
Glad you're appreciating the music. Hans Zimmer is actually a huge fan of Dune and invented new instruments to come up with something otherworldly for these films.
I'm typing this just 7:30 in after Jason Mamoa makes the joke about the kid having muscles. I was fortunate to work with him twice on SNL and the first time we met I had been working out hard for the first time in my life in the months prior. I'm only 5' 8" and don't have a look of a big strong guy. He put his hand on my shoulder at one point and squeezed and was like, "damn, you got some serious muscles under there!" I was never so proud of going from overweight and out of shape to getting strong in my life. Especially because my father, a very big strong man my whole life, passed away before I got in shape. He was so awesome every time he was in the building at NBC and truly inspired me to keep myself in good health with his genuine kind words. He even helped us to get his stuff loaded into his cars (12 massive duffle bags) leaving at 2am after hosting SNL while his whole posse was just drinking and having fun. He's one of my favorite people I ever met in my 5 and half years at SNL. A big dude, but an even bigger heart and work ethic.
Coby, flailing through a movie that shows everything and explains nothing: The gargling noise is the worm talking to Paul! All the Redditors in the comments section who have read the books 73 times, seen three movies plus the miniseries 24 times each, and watched 428 deep dive videos: Um, Axchually, it’s "Erik Njorl, son of Frothgar, brother of Hangnor, son of Thorvald Nlodvisson, son of Gudleif, half brother of Thorgier, the priest of Ljosa water, who took to wife Thurunn, the mother of Thorkel Braggart, the slayer of Cudround the powerful, who knew Howal, son of Geernon, son of Erik from Valdalesc, son of Arval Gristlebeard, son of Harken, who killed Bjortguaard in Sochnadale in Norway over Cudreed, daughter of Thorkel Long, the son of Kettle-Trout, the half son of Harviyoun Half-troll, father of Ingbare the Brave, who with Isenbert of Gottenberg the daughter of Hangbard the Fierce..."
Worms didn't speak. The gurgling sound was throat talking/singing which you heard when they showed Emperor's army planet Salussa. The shields do not go red when person is killed. Red means that shield is penetrated. Shields were created for protection from bullets or arrows. But they designed darts to go around it, they slow down to go through it. Because shields cannot stop slow moving things (otherwise it probably would be cumbersome to wear them). That's why they do fight with swords, but you still need to master a special technique, because if you just hit or stab too fast, it will get rejected. In the movie they show the slicing moves, although it still feels too fast, but it's a movie, they have to make it look cool. They do still have projectile weapons and lasguns (lasers), but lasgun hitting shields creates a nuclear reaction, can kill both the shooter and all around. Also, shield vibration makes sandworms go into frenzy, so can't use them in the deep desert (fremen don't use shields).
Adding on to say that it was just as important that Leto NOT marry. While the moment he married would bind the bride's house close to the Atreides, it would also push every other house slightly away. It was better to always leave the HOPE of a marriage floating around. Sort of a Schrödinger's marriage proposal. lol
Did you miss the part where she correct herself or were you just too eager to shit on someone else? It's one of the two so, either way, you look like a jackass hater
I am not sure what you are comparing. Acolyte cost more but also runs more hours. The per minute cost is more like half of the $180 if compared to a three hour film. This makes Dune more expensive per minute.
That's such a sad reality. Yes, the acolite is three times as long, but per dollar it's 100 times worse. Dune isn't perfect, at all, but it's way better than any Disney star wars other than The Mandilorian...
At approx. 30min per episode, the Acolyte clocks in around 4 hours, and yet I cannot tell where that money went. In both Dune movies, you can tell the money was well spent. Disney over there flushing money down the drain…
@ shit I didn’t even realize that it was that short. Amazing what a passion project can achieve. Dune, loads of passion. Acolyte, loads of board-rooms.
As ever: You ought to read the books (Frank Herbert's initial 3-4 are essential. ...After that: they get "wonky" ...and sink into ...🤔platitudes and 🤷 "pablum" (in many areas and most of the writing)). -I wanted to explain something which *I* believe tends to get ...overlooked, in viewings of the film: The "table spitting" is actually described in the novel (although "after-the-fact [following the events being described]) as: "exchange of water." It demonstrates how: on Arrakis, water is SO rare and precious that offering up some of your personal supply, is considered: an honorific & a demonstration of respect, to the person or persons to whom it is offered. [It is, also, not performed so ..."arrogantly' "colloquially" by the Fremen leader. It is done (as would be expected) with certain decorum of ceremony ...while Leto Atreides, not knowing any of these things, but seeking to "return in kind" & to acknowledge custom and return respect... ...he and his people perform the act more as you would see it it in some aspect of: 🤷a life outside of Arrakis (and something you, yourself, might recognize. A bit more ..."vulgar" (which it WOULD be elsewhere!) and "common"...but with good intent, nonetheless ...an intent to demonstrate in return: a sense of respect, honor, et al. - and taken as reflective of that by the Fremen representative.] It, also (naturally) demonstrates how: different behaviors and attitudes surround: elements, actions, many things, in differing contexts and (as one would expect, in) different cultures.
Glad you enjoyed part 1. Looking forward to your reaction to part 2. Seeing Paul's character arc might surprise you. He might not be the hero you think he is.
Not like the Jedi voices, but the Jedi voices are like the Bene-Gesserit voices. The books were written when Star Wars was just a wet dream of G. Lucas. G. Lucas later admitted that he drew heavily from the books. Not for nothing is Lukes home a desert planet. 😉
In the novel, Paul Atreides is fifteen when he arrives on Arrakis. Not sure how old they made him for the films, but obviously he’s young. Lady Jessica is of the Bene Gesserit order. She is highly trained in the Weirding Way and the use of The Voice aside from being a truthsayer. Not such an easy lady to kill. In fact, Bene Gesserit are trained to control every muscle and nerve in their body and can even control chemical reactions, making them less susceptible to poison. They are quite the formidable opponent. By the time of Dune, artificial intelligence has been outlawed for over 10 millennia. There was an entire war fought over it called the Butlerian Jihad. This is also the reason why melange, more commonly referred to as the spice, is essential for space travel and to keep the Imperium intact. Looking forward to Part 2. I would recommend reading the book after. It is Frank Herbert’s magnum opus. It is certainly an influence on Star Wars, so it’s difficult to hear a comparison of it being made with that franchise as it predates Star Wars by 12 years.
just inagine getting punched by someone who can control every fiber in their body. the total strength of every muscle fiber is enough to lift 20 tonnes
Star Wars. ... the Matrix ... they were black and white. This is definitely shades of grey. Very political story ... Very dense book(s) ... Very hard to make into a movie. The reason the fremen are recognizing him is in part because of the groundwork the Bene Gesserit layed down in spreading the prophecy amoung the Freman. Jessica wasn't supposed to have a male child ... She did because she wanted to give Duke Leto an heir ... She was supposed to have a girl who could then be used in the greater scheme of breeding this superman ... the Kwisatz Haderach. ... The Voice is not like the Force ... It's just a skill. The shields that they wear are for fast moving objects ... That's why they all fight with swords ... The dart that got through Leto's shield was made specifically to travel slow so that it could pierce a shield. ... ... God! There is so much lore to know, and this movie really does not spoon feed it to you like the David Lynch movie ... you really need a guide .... ... Oh, and I have to wonder what kind of buttholes they have an Australia, if they are lined with spikes like that 😮🤭
To really appreciate this movie, knowing some of the history, lore and story itself really helps. It’s my favorite sci fi universe….and that says a lot coming from a Star Wars nerd…which got its influence and inspiration from this by the way. Not the other way around.
When Paul first experiences contact with spice, as he says: “I recognize your footsteps, old man” he’s not talking to Gurney. He’s talking to the incoming worm. Fremen call Shai hulud “the old man of the desert”.
I'm dying to know if you went back after editing this video and rerecorded the whispering in my right ear. It's a neat effect and plays into one of the themes of this movie and I appreciate the extra effort
Just so we are clear, Dune predates Star Wars episode 4 by about 10 years. So everything you see in Dune that reminds you of Star Wars, Lucas borrowed from Herbert.
Not bad reactions, spoiled by incessant references to an inferior sci-fi franchise - Star Wars is to Dune as Conan the Barbarian is to Game of Thrones - just shut it, eh?
This movie is set in the year 10,191 A.G. Meaning 10,191 years After Guild. The year 10,191 takes place a significant amount of time after the establishment of the Spacing Guild. So it means that this take place over 10,000 years after inter-space travel. The year 10,191 A.G. corresponds to the year 23,352 A.D.
@@houseofaction You are wrong. Dune begins in 10,191 AG, so we simply add 10,191 to 11,000+201 together: 10,191 + 11,000 + 201 = 21,392 This gives us the number of years that have passed in-between 10,191 AG and the beginning of deep space exploration. The first interplanetary space probe was Pioneer 5 which was launched in 1960. If we start at 1960 A.D. and add 21,392 more years, we have 23,352 A.D. Thus, the year 10,191 AG corresponds to the year 23,352 A.D. That is, of course, assuming that the Dune chronology actually uses Earth years.
About the suckers deal with the Doctor- it’s not, he got exactly what he made the deal expecting. His wife was being kept alive in horrifying torture. For context: the spidery “thing” the Harkonnen kept as a pet was once human. He knew he would die, and could only hope that she would too, as “payment” for his betrayal because that was the only freedom she could possibly have.
In the book Dr. Yueh was stabbed in the back by Piter De Vries, the Harkonnen Mentat, and the Doctor says, as he dies, "You think... you defeated... me. You think I did not know what I bought for my Wanna."
Everything is "It's like Star Wars" or "It's this actor I know" or "I really like the art direction, it's like Star Wars but more rock and roll". C'mon, can you interact with the movie on it's merits or what? I've enjoyed your other content but this was really weak and I ducked out @16:16.
This is a common problem among reactors but you spend too much time comparing things to other films you’ve seen - you are jumping to conclusions based on how other films told their story and then missing things this one is showing you. There are no prizes for guessing what will happen - let each film tell its story. The talking heard at the very opening of the film was heard again later on but you missed it because you were talking over the film.
@@jw70467Agreed. Coby is great because she tries to figure things out and doesn't just sit there. As has been mentioned elsewhere, as well as she herself saying her sci-fi experience is limited to SW and Alien/s and The Matrices, she does well trying to sort it out. Everyone forgets they were a newb or normie once and we all still try and understand new things through the lens of the old. Cheers.
I think for anyone who hasn’t read the books, watching Dune a second time really helps bc there is so much info, like how shields block anything fast like quick knife jabs or any bullets, while allowing slow attacks. I also get reactors need to talk for these videos, so there’s going to be a lot missed while they’re commenting.
Shields stop projectiles like bullets and any untrained melee attack. Only specialized and rare/expensive ammunition can get through. And it takes years of training to learn how to stab someone through one. This prevents civilian populations from overthrowing their rulers.
In the mid-70´s Alejandro Jodorowsky worked on 2 projects. Developing a graphic novel in collaboration with Jean Giraud (The Incal, published 1980) and getting F.Herberts DUNE onto the screen. The Dune-project failed, Jean Giraud (aka Moebius) got hired by George Lucas (to assist developing the Star Wars-story). Read the Incal ( you even find a Jidei) , watch the documentary about Jodorowskys Dune. Möebius is one of the direct connections between the Dune- and the Star Wars -saga..
Lol, I mean Arrival has worked its way to my all time favorite film so I’d at least agree one #2 or so (though it feels hard to put Dune or the sequel above the other fine they are so integral to each other).
Is there anyone out there who had never read the books, watched this and thought "Wow! I get why everyone loves this, and it all makes sense" just curious.
The power of the Bene Gesserit is not in "magic", per se. But it is in the observation of minutae. Their Voice works because they can tell exactly what pitch and tone will trigger instant obedience to the speaker. Paul knew the footsteps of Gurney Halleck as he approached from behind him. He knew that it was Duncan flying the thopter, just by the way it was being flown. It's not magic. It's perception.
Reading some of these comments are blowing my mind - Coby clearly says that she knows Star Wars was inspired by Dune which is a fact and Coby has reacted to Star Wars for this channel so clearly she is going to see some of the things that inspired Lucas - this is an analysis of the film - this is Coby’s analysis but please get your facts straight before writing that “Star Wars was based on Dune!” because she knows that, she stated it in her opening thesis. This is the context of the reaction. lol. Okay, please try and enjoy her reaction to Dune Part Two coming next week! lol 😅😂❤
lol expecting logic in comments. From the analytics, I suspect you can see many skip the intros (prior to the start of the movie) and how few actually finish the video.
Also there is a certain contingent who go from reaction to reaction of their pet movies to drop fun facts or looking for anyone to say something that triggers them. A hazard of the job, I'm afraid. I appreciate you trying to stem the tide, but I do not think you have enough fingers for all of the holes in this dam.
Another fun reaction by Coby. Also, Coby, you would look very odd with blue eyes. It was a trend in Texas in the 90s for young people in Houston to wear colored contact lenses to give themselves blue eyes. It was like walking around in Cyberpunk, and not in a good way.
@@jw70467 haha yes but at some point you have to let people know they’ve missed an important piece of information from this week on Coby Wan Kenobi!
Yep, I came to the comments to see how many Dune fanatics were yelling "Dune was first!!!!" and I haven't even gotten past the first comment to see that I'm (sadly not) disappointed.
Coby says she's not a sci-fi person and SW is her biggest commitment to date, so aside from the ubiquitous nature of SW in the cultural zeitgeist, Coby has been saturated in SW imagery and stories lately.
Anyway, I applaud Coby making connections in terms of sci-fi heritage, even if, for some, it is "backwards" or "wrong". The internet never fails…
Sending positive energy ❤ to Coby in case she braves the comment section. Way to go, guys, way to put her off watching Part 2. *Sigh*
then she should not be acting like an idiot and constantly bringing up Star Wars when things don't align either. Why couldn't she pay attention and not miss stuff?
@@charleshartley9597 you need to stop dickriding then. She was annoying in this reaction by constantly bringing Star Wars. I would not even mind if she did not watch Dune 2 because she is gonna miss a lot of things like she did here by constantly whining about other movies. And applaud her for making connections? What connections?
I will watch anything Denis Villeneuve makes and I will watch it eight times.
Rookie numbers.
Hear Hear!!!
He and Scorsese are the two greatest living filmmakers.
Only 8?
only eight times?
"Now he's going to bring them all to freedom!"
Oh my sweet summer child.
From a certain point of view he did
@@alannerrato3278 not realy...
@@michelvasquez7223 yes really
It came at a great GREAT cost.
@@alannerrato3278 No, he makes them lose their ways through his crusade
The worm's "hairs" are actually teeth. A crysknife, like the one that Chani gives to Paul for his fight, is made from a worm's tooth. It's very sacred to the Fremen.
I read the book when I was 13. What I got out of it was space ships, battles and giant worms. I read it again in high school. Then I got the religious context.
Over the years I've read the book 5 times, each time getting more and more out of it. I'm 70 now (how did that happen?) and last read it 5 years ago after I retired. Just as LOTR is truly classic, so is Dune.
Same , well I saw the 84 movie, and read the book at 18 , and read it again 10 years later , and then years later , I've probably read it ? 12 times , at least , but I usually find something new in each reading, or something hits you differently, with age , the philosophy or religion, politics, ect ,
Good comparison. I think Frank Herbert and Tolkien are on a level all to themselves. Their stories are some of the most incredible feats of human imagination ever produced. The creation of entire worlds, ecosystems, races, cultures, religions, languages, history, mythology… all in great depth. Truly amazing. The only contemporary author I can think of who comes close is Neal Stephenson, and as great as he is, he’s small step behind these two. It’s a VERY exclusive club.
When the Shadout Mapes asked Jessica if she knew the meaning of the crysknife, Jessica knew several meanings, but knew Mapes was testing her, and didn’t want to give the wrong answer, so she played for time. She gave the dictionary definition of “knife,” in the Chakobsa (Fremen) language, translated into Galach Standard, which was “maker of death.”
However, she didn’t get past the first word because Mapes expected one of the other meanings, and never in a million years did she expect Jessica to say the name of the Great Sandworm, the source of the crysknife, which the Fremen call the Maker. A name which they only say in their private ceremonies, a name no outworlder could possibly know.
The lady standing before her-which might or might not be the Lisan al’Gaib-had just dropped, ever so casually, the secret holy name of the hidden god of the Fremen, into a discussion of the sacred weapon. It was a miracle like Jesus walking on water-a miracle Mapes had been waiting for all her life. Of course she shrieked-it was dragged out of her by religious ecstasy.
I fear this comment won't be as appreciated as it should be, so I just wanted you to know that I appreciated it.
@ thank you!
Beautifully stated indeed.
Pearls before pigs, mate. But I truly appreciate the effort.
@@chrisw.5138 idk bro calling people pigs for not getting that when it’s not at all obvious unless you’ve read the book is kinda weird
kind of funny but also frustrating to see someone constantly thinking they 'get it' and see what the story is doing but every comment is completely wrong lol - "he's *The One* he's like Neo" - no. "he has this otherworldly power" - no. "that is the worm noise" - no. "oh it TALKS!" - no.
etc.
Dune has no supernatural elements, no fate, no mysticism, and it's a criticism of tropes like the Chosen One lol. he's the product of genetic engineering, and specialized training to create a supergenius, basically
It's so funny to want to see the worm so bad and instantly being disgusted by it lol
The voices aren't the worm talking, they're ancestral memories being awoken by Paul's exposure to the spice. It's easier to understand after you've watched the second part.
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That's also not entirely truth. While he's hearing ancestral voices, it's not the ancestors that's talking to him. There is a bigger entity.
@@mr.ripley3846what entity is that? The gestalt consciousness of humanity or the universe, the oracle of time?
@@Niven110 it’s Leto II.
It's a very difficult task to condense a 600 page book(with 4 appendices) that has a multi-thousand year backstory of dense world building. Villeneuve does it beautifully.
There is no "Force", and the Voice is but one skill of the Bene Gesserit.
Paul has been trained from infancy in three of the deepest disciplines that humanity has developed across the previous 30,000 years. The Bene Gesserit have completely mastered their bodies and minds, The Mentats(Thufir Hawat with the umbrella) are human supercomputers and Duncan was a Swordmaster of the Ginaz, the greatest swordsmen of the Imperium.
On top of that he has been mentored by Gurney Halleck, the most feared warrior in the galaxy and he is the son of Leto the Just. And a genetic freak bred over a thousand generations.
The politics are byzantine and there are plans within plans.
Beautiful, concise explanation. One thing though-- in a conversation remembered by someone later, Duncan Idaho once said that in sparring, Gurney could beat him six times out of ten.
not 30,000 years dune takes place in the year 10191 the year zero IN THEIR CALENDER WAS THE YEAR 13,000 ad so this is taking place 23191 years after the year 13,000 so its aprox 21167 years into our future
@@houseofaction You're right, thanks for the correction.
I'm not surprised, especially as a sci-fi noob, that you're kind of lost. The Dune books are very dense. The story is masterfully woven in with the world-building and sci-fi elements. A lot of the story is communicated by the thoughts of the characters too. The movies skip over a lot of detail and context and try to get by on the stunning visuals. This could be a whole season of hour long episodes and still not capture the full depth of Herbert's writing.
And still, this is very good adaption.
1984 version was disappointment.
the mini series is much better at capturing the full story.
"the shields do nothing." Ha! so wise, but so much to learn. So fun to watch with you!
I assume someone on the patreon has explained it, but - the personal shields are meant to stop things going above a certain speed, it'll stop a bullet, a punch, someone swinging or stabbing you with a knife/weapon, however, if you slowly bring the knife past the shield, it'll go through. That's why Josh Brolin, earlier, when he was sparring with Paul, says "The slow blade penetrates the shield". It's the difference between slapping down on a body of water, and meeting stiff resistance, and slowly putting your hand and it going through with no resistance at all. The red signifies something 'slow' penetrating the shield, while blue signifies 'stopping' something from penetrating
This is a perfect analogy.
@@nadeeml9276 basically a non-newtonian shield (fluid). The slow blade or the slow screw (like that used on the Duke) eventually penetrate. There is so many small details that really make this a good adaptation, but some are better done by lynch in the 80s. Hope you watch that one too...
The shields are what make guns and or lasers in this universe useless. They block fast moving targets but, if you can approach them slowly you can move through the shield and penetrate it. That's when it shows up red.
That's why they use swords and knives instead of futuristic weapons. In close combat you can push through the shield and go for the kill.
Lasers also have a nuclear reaction when they come into contact with a shield, killing both the target and the shooter. And probably everyone else in a large area. So the use of shields has also made lasers much less prevalent.
@@thechristianarchist662that's why it surprised me that the Harkkonnen capital ship went after the Thopter Duncan flew with a Las gun. It was shielded. Doing so is highly suicidal.
@@ravissary79 Thopters on Arrakis arent shielded the static in the atmosphere generated by sand storms disrupts all but the biggest shield generators (and shields attract worms) theyre only used for the biggest fortifications (that worms cant reach)
@Bangpath247 in these movies they have shield generators. They're referenced 3 different times.
1- when saving the spuce crawler crew, they needed to fit 7 workers per thopter, and it was specifically stated they'd only fit on if they removed and threw out their shield generators.
2- when Dincan takes a thopter during the battle of Arakeen, he launches a massive salvo of micro missiles at enemy ships, blowing them up, but immediately received a counterattack that was deflected by the shields, there's a blue glow and the whole craft recoils from the force but is unscathed. They the capital ship fired a blue laser and he escaped because he couldn't tank it... which makes sense lore wise.
3- in part2, when Paul and the fremen are attacking the Harkonnen spice harvesters, they have to use a distraction technique to hit the thopters with a rocket propelled explosive, because otherwise they couldn't get past the thopters' shield.
So sorry but the fact is these thopters were shielded.
@@thechristianarchist662 thats not entirely accurate, there is a CHANCE of a nuclear reaction not a definite chance but just a chance and where the reaction occurs is never definitive it can happen at Point A or Point B or even between Point A and B meaning there is a chance someone else outside of the fight is harmed but neither party harmed
Slow strikes breach the shield, swift strikes are deflected-Hand to hand combat in Dune is as such-Slow on attack, swift on defense. The physics of the Holtzman shield blocks fast movements but permits slower ones.
And to continue with inspirations, Frank Herbert, author of the Dune books was inspired by another book which was also made into a movie: Lawrence of Arabia.
Regarding Jessica hunching over in pain during Paul's Gom Jabbar test:
Jessica was not feeling Paul's pain or communicating with him at all. All Bene Gesserit(including Jessica) go through the test as part of their training. So what Jessica was feeling was the remembering of her own pain coupled with the fear of losing her son if he failed the test.
As for what the test is, it's basically a culling to weed out any people with access to great power that would be uncontrollable and dangerous. It's about impulse control at an extreme level. Anyone with access to that much power must either have the strength of will to be able to control themselves(like Paul) or they must be able to be controlled by the Bene Gesserit. The danger would be a person that can't control themselves and also can't be controlled by an exterior force. Think of the worst Roman emperors.
In this case, the danger Paul poses is due to the training he's received. Not only does he have a load of genetic gifts based on a thousand generations of selective breeding by the Bene Gesserit, but he has also been trained in the secret BG ways by Jessica, been trained to be a human supercomputer(mentat) by the guy with the parasol, been trained in combat by the best swordsman in the Imperium, been trained in the ways of war by one of the best strategists in the Imperium, and been trained in politics by both Leto and Jessica. If Paul lacked control, he'd be like the worst weapon of mass destruction wandering around with a faulty trigger that could go at any moment. Safer to end him in a controlled fashion instead of letting him go boom.
the training that made him the best warrior was the prana bindu training. the BG are the literal finest warriors in the known universe moreso than anyone else
The actress playing Jessica (the mom) is Rebecca Ferguson.
The "highly talented" Rebecca Ferguson! I'd watch anything she's in.
@@charleshartley9597 In that case you should do a search for a series called "Silo", season 2 just started and shes the star in it. Post appocalytic setting, kind of like a fallout vault. Very good show BUT it airs on apple TV, but it's available on the high seas too.
@@charleshartley9597 the completely missed the character Rebecca Ferguson, she was bloody terrible.
Definitely not one of Coby's strongest reactions. Too busy trying to guess things, get those things wrong, misses the answers, continues to be lost. Not really the type of movie you're going to get ahead of by guessing.
I mean the story is EXTREMELY layered and not easy to understand the first time.
@@mohammedashian8094 If you put 25% of your attention towards guessing things and getting almost all of it wrong, and then have to spend another 25% of your attention on trying to understand where your guesses went awry, you're not going to understand the movie. It's as simple as that.
Most Sci-Fi is derivative of Dune, but that doesn't mean everything lines up exactly the same. The One in the Matrix is not the same as The One in Star Wars. So which is it? If you guess, you're going to be wrong most likely, because it's not down to these two options either.
wdym this movie has the most basic plotline ever. And the sequel is just Avatar in a desert only instead of Jake Sully there's Paul. Let's not pretend this movie is Twin Peaks or Mulholland Drive level of confusing. You can easily guess most of the plot and understand everything.
@@joe.banana I said layered not complex
@@joe.banana which is why people whove read the books multiple times think the movie is very meh.
Kinda wish nobody told you that there was an influence from Dune to Star Wars or you were also told a crap ton of sci-fi was influenced by it. It made you jump to some weird conclusions trying to make 1:1 comparisons.
Yeah, I kept wishing she would just take it for what it is instead of going like "oh that's like the force". Dune is it's own thing, it doesn't need to be compared to Star Wars.
contrary to this popular belief its not actually accurate, george was inspired by lots of things but his primary inspiration was the Foundation which came out before dune and unlike dune wasn't plagueruzed(frank stole much of the series from the sabres of paradise)
@@houseofaction anyone with eyes can see that is just a lie
Dune is one of the most influential novels in the genre of science fiction. It ranks alongside Robert Heinleins starship troopers and stranger in a strange land, Arthur c Clark's Rendevous with Rama and 2001, and isaac Asimovs foundation and robot series in terms of influence.
Frank Herbert 6 Dune novels are considered science fictions equivalent to Tolkiens lord of the rings though Tolkien did not enjoy Dune when he read it
As a side note Denis Villeneuve, the director of Dune I & II, has Clarks' Rendezvous with Rama to be made after he finishes Dune Messiah.
and frank stole most of dune from the book The Sabres of paradise(sometimes word for word)
52:30, Paul can’t control the worm because The Voice only works on humans. That spider creature that the Harkonnens call a pet is actually made from a human being. Some viewers believe it is what is left of Dr. Yueh’s wife Wanna.
Not shown in the movies is an all male group of mad scientists called the Bene Tleilax. Where the Bene Gesserit focus on mastery of the human mind, body and blending bloodlines, the Tleilax focus on twisting the nature order of such things. They are employed by the noble houses to create special chemical components, medicines and other biological concoctions. For a price, Tleilax are even willing to work on actual living people. So the spider creature would be something they would be more than willing to create for the Harkonnens.
The tube is for pulling moisture out of their breath and stores the moisture in the suit. It it is not doing what you think it is doing.
A lot of people prematurely compare Dune and Star Wars. While there are certainly similarities, they are pretty shallow ones, and the differences are far more intense once you take time to think about them. Of course just due to the genres they are in, there will be some overlap. Dune was certainly *AN* influence, but a lot of people pretend away all the other influences on Star Wars that we know of (Flash Gordon series, Kurosawa samurai films, Joseph Campbell's "Monomyth" story structure, WWII films, etc.), to imagine it as a carbon copy. The two are quite different. One is closer to "hard" sci-fi, the other is science fantasy. One takes place in the past; the other in the future. One is a warning of messianic figures and religious jihad built on a personal interest of the author on ecology; the other is a more personal story built around the Hero's Journey concept, and which focuses mostly on the clash of light and dark, or good versus evil. One features all kinds of alien races; the other basically just has human - although the Navigators are altered from using the Spice. Once you look past the superficial stuff (a desert planet - holy sh*t, how did TWO people have that same idea?!), in many ways the two franchises appear to be polar opposites.
I mean, calling them superficial feels like way underplaying it considering how much there is in common… but yeah those other influences you mention clearly played a huge role too and ignoring them is at least as wrong as ignoring the clear Dune influence. At least part of the reason I think Dune gets more mention for Star Wars is that Lucas denies it, while the Kurosawa and WWII airplane movie influences are widely talked known. I don’t think you can put the similarities down to the “genre”, most of the similarities are pretty limited to a few closely related stories/universes.. along with Foundation and Warhammer 40k. That’s in no way slighting Star Wars, great stories all draw on elements from others. And as much as they have in common do all take very different approaches and meanings from what they share.
It's really sad that they can't separate the two to be honest. There's nothing wrong with making comparisons but when you keep doing that without taking new information as it comes, it just becomes pointless. You're missing out because you're no longer learning new information, you're comparing, interpreting and making it fit those expectations.
@@earth2saka For the people that focus on what came first, or take it as “stealing from” or being lazy etc then I’d agree. A lot of people have their favorite “universe” and can get very defensive in the others that “theirs” is the best/most valid/most original. That said, it’s also missing something not to consider/acknowledge the comparisons as part of the context. I can see how it could lead to pre-set expectations that undermine what you’re actually watching/reading, though I’d argue that some of those expectations are going to be there influencing your interpretation whether you recognize it or not. It certainly doesn’t stop you from taking in new information, it’s just making more information available as context to consider.
Recognizing the different ways that movies partially inspired/influenced by each other or with the same mutual influences can make them both deeper/more interesting. Star Wars, Dune, and 40k for instance all have a LOT of similarities across their Jedi/Bene Geserit/Psychers but they all focus on very different aspects and take different meaning from them into the larger universe. One of the OP’s differences between Dune and esp Lucas’s part of Star Wars is actually something I’d consider a similarity worth thinking about. They both rely heavily on the mono-myth, yes Star Wars takes it pretty directly but Dune does use it too… specifically to subvert its meaning and undercut the idea of individual “heroes” being very heroic at all (it’s definitely open to debate whether Dune manages to subvert it though, considering how so many interpret it). In fact, the way the Star Wars films have so heavily revolved around one family who are the only ones that seem to matter a lot of the time… it’s exactly what Dune tries to subvert. For me, they stand on their own but it adds a lot to recognize how they approach/represent similar ideas, or the different ways they may use very similar characters/events/settings.
and frank stole much of dune from the sabres of paradise.
and star wars doesn't take place in OUR PAST but the past of the nararrator. its a story within a story its supposed to be in our universe in a galaxy far away in the past of whoever is telling the story SO ITS IN OUR FUTURE
@@RocketSurgn_ he denies it because its not true, he denies being inspired by dune yet he openly admits he was inpsired by the foundation which came out before dune
The original Dune movie in the 80s was done in a single film, which made them do a little better job of explaining the lore of that world as they told it. These newer versions are very well done, but almost need the audience to have some preliminary basic knowledge of that world or like Coby there's questions that pop up because she's not going to have some of that without seeing or reading anything about it prior to this viewing. I wouldn't be able to remember what it would be like to watch this film without knowing what I already do about the world(s) of Dune. Good to see she's enjoying the film. Its writing as well as the visuals and the score.🖖
“Maybe Zendaya doesn’t even talk in the first one!”
SO MANY PEOPLE forget that Zendaya has the FIRST ten sentences in the entire movie. She has the responsibility of giving 90% of the world’s backstory to you.
My god stop with the Star Wars comparison!! every 30 second!!
Please give the girl a break. She's trying and it is only fair, when lost, to go to familiar grounds. Plus, she stated in her intro that she knows Lucas has been influenced by Herbert's genius work. I have been a fan of this work for 30 years with the books, the earlier film and the computer games but I do not despise new comers getting acquainted with the lore. It is fantastic to see people sharing the love we have been having for so long, in our dark places.
The sleeper must awaken. Just maybe do not yell at her awakening 😉.
We ran a check and it’s only every 78 seconds and speaking of 78, that’s when the Star Wars Holiday Special came out!
better Star Wars than "Neo" and Matrix...
@@TimoRasimus 55:54 oops...
56:05 - Coby instinctively went all Feyd-Rautha
Paul’s visions are glimpses of many possible futures. Paul’s prescient abilities are not fully developed yet.
The slow blade penetrates The shield. So in order to get through it you have to move slowly It blocks anything coming at you fast.
"Ewwww! Gross!" Such a valley girl moment 😆
"the worms are talking".......Goodnight everybody ❤💋
soo close... man we ever get God Emperor of Dune...
@@Elios0000 I doubt it - i mean how the hell do you put that on film....but we can hope i guess
Probably too late to matter, but…. The O in Coby Reacts was an awesome touch at the start. And you released the next vid within like 24 hours which is a holiday gift, so thank you for that PRoulette
(in the voice of the Emperor) "Oh no, Coby, my young Jedi. When it comes to Dune, you will find it is you who are mistaken. About a great many things."
Don't worry, though. Dune is a dense series of novels, and the movies are not that much better at explaining things. It requires a focused attention to catch all the subtle nuance and complex politics and history. To be honest, it is not suited to reaction channels, even though all the fans want to see other people react to it. As others have stated, this isn't Star Wars with its large passages of exposition. Dune gives you a tiny bit of back story... then throws you into the deepest part of the ocean and expects you to swim for land.
One BIG point to know: The voice isn't "The Force". It is more like a skill, known to the women in the Bene Gesserit. Paul's mother, a member of that order, taught it to him (even though she wasn't supposed to). As you will find, they do have "mystical-like" powers, but the voice is more like a skill (though I'm sure it was a big influence on George Lucas when he created a similar ability attributed to a jedi's use of the force.)
One little point to know: Those aren't hairs surrounding the mouth of the sandworms, they are teeth. The same teeth the Fremen use to form the blades of their crysknives-their chosen weapon.
Maybe rewatch the movie when you don't have to worry about reacting to it. Repeated viewings, and undivided attention contribute greatly to understanding this story.
Been waiting for this one! literally my favorite sci-fi series of all time, love seeing how people feel about Dune
It is weird to watch someone that does not appreciate Sci Fi and Fantasy as a genre watch Dune. Literary speaking Dune is one of the most important books of the late 20th century. Lord of the Rings by Tolkien, Foundation by Asimov and Dune by Hebert all set up the basis of Sci Fi and Fantasy post 1970. All writers, film makers and screen writers have these book series as the groundwork of all current Sci Fi and fantasy. From Star Wars and Star Trek to Harry Potter and Game of Thrones they all have elements of each one of these books. Dune is more important because of the message that it is trying to get across about ecology and unrestrained power over people. Not paying attention to the story of Dune which the movie does pretty good without too much dialogue and exposition will cause the viewer to become what the writer is warning about. Be aware of power and how power is corrupting. Herbert wrote the next two books because people overlooked that warning in Dune. Dune itself is meant for a sophisticated reader because honestly Herbert gets weird really fast and you have to hold on to the narrative or you lose your focus on the weird. Herbert undoubtedly partook in the chemical recreations of the time and then put his experiences to paper but he created a masterpiece of literature. People who dismiss Sci Fi and Fantasy for their cultural relevance will miss the societal and human messages the story is trying to convey.
That's not like the force in Star wars, it is an acquire skill, training for 10 000 years from the Bene Gesserit order...
Shields only protects against objects moving fast. In the book gurney reminds Paul, " the slow blade penetrator the shield"
He reminds him in the movie too
One of the hardest Coby reactions to watch. Please stop comparing to Star Wars and The Matrix 😅
Why? Obviously Dune the book was a major influence on many films.
Lucas stole a lot from Dune, most notably the spice. Also the comparisons stem of the use of all three films of “the hero’s journey”. The comparisons are obviously there and the reactor watching the movie actually reacts in that. Crazy how that works.
@@dcallahan713Because no Dune fan wants to be constantly reminded about the copied product.
Instead they want a reaction to the original product with an original reaction.
yeah, i know it’s her way in, but all the “the voice” is just “the force” comparisons in the beginning of the reaction almost made me stop watching 🤷🏾♂️
@@dreambrother82 The voice at the force. The Baron as Palpatine. The Music as a more rock version of SW and so on.
But every reactor does this. I honestly think it's a rage bait tactic to increase engagement.
Idk why, but whenever Duke Leto Atreides, Paul's dad, says, "Here I am....Here I remain." It always gives me chills, and I get all emotional. Can't explain why, just always does.
Wow someone told her about the Star Wars/Dune thing and she rolled with it.
I would love to see this reaction but the sound is constantly going out from one ear to the other. And I think it's not only this one reaction.
Same here. Clearly no one listens to these before uploading them... it's a shame.
Yeah, all of Coby's reactions have sounded weird since A Nightmare on Elm Street.
Yeah, someone needs to QA the audio with a headset before posting. Lots of reactors have this problem.
The ASMR audio in my right ear is nice
@@nubbinthemonkey it’s bothering me so much 😅
I hate it, had to stop watching
I highly recommend reading the book. I`ve seen both movies and this version comes closest to capturing the essence of the book. Having said that, IMO the movie still doesn`t capture what, exactly, Paul is becoming. The gravity of what Paul is turning into, which you`ll see in part 2, is truly mind blowing and scary.
Yes, you can see where "Star Wars" drew inspiration from this story. There are several parallels that can be drawn in both stories. And, although much like Paul, Anikan was the chosen one the fantasy of the "Force" is nothing compared to the religious zealotry of Dune. ( I apologize for the Star Wars reference)
The idea of a galactic empire in "Star Wars" may have got the idea from "Dune" but the original idea of a galactic empire where "Dune" got the idea from was from Issac Asimov`s novels "The Foundation" series which were the very first to come up with that idea. Also, David Lynch`s` version of "Dune" in the 1980`s, though not as technically as advanced effects wise as this version is - is none the less just as good an entertainment experience.
“The shield doesn’t protect you for long”. I know it can be hard to follow but if you’d spend more time actually listening to what is said, and less time talking, you’d have got it : shields block fast attacks. Gurney literally says : the slow blade penetrates the shield, while training Paul on Caladan. Dune is a complex and very rich universe. Please watch those movies while really paying attention.
Yep. I was thinking after about 10 minutes Dune isn't a good movie for a reaction video. Coby really needed to watch carefully without having to worry about what to say to the camera.
@@jjones2582 Well, yeah, but at the same time it's interesting to see her reaction... :)
Uh, Coby, to me the worm looks like a sea anemone... just sayin'.
😂😂
Is everything going to be compared to star wars?
Yes because they are both sci fi stories from a similar era and one was heavily inspired by the other. It must be interesting to see for the first time and to share those thoughts in a reaction video about sharing thoughts on the movie being watched
@@DJLtravelvids Nothing wrong with making comparisons but when that's all you do it's just sad. You're not assimilating the information that the movie gives you, you're just interpreting through a comparison lens and making it fit into that point of view.
@@DJLtravelvids Exactly, Star Wars plagiarized many things from Dune, but that's how mediocre people are, they have to be inspired by the greats.
OMG someone compared things in Star Wars too!!! lol
"I can't see. It's so dark." Sadly, your room is probably too light, and your TV's settings are poorly set. It's not a very dark film- it's quite easy to make out what's happening thanks to the film's masterful cinematography. Maybe consider looking into adjusting your settings? It might make things easier for you in the future. Good luck!
i guess i'll watch this... i usually can't stand watching coby's complete lack of a reaction to movies lol but dune is awesome
Coby keeps comparing Dune to Star Wars - THE 1 thing every Dune fan hates 😂
Why though? This kind of brand loyalty is childish stuff if you are an adult. You can suppress the urge to be a "well ackshually" person, it's not hard.
@Hooga89 That's your subjective opinion. I dont mind people having brand loyalty - passionate people are always fun to watch (or cringy.. which ends up being fun).
Respecting nerds is fine by me.
Star Wars was the first movie to use special effects fine enough to accurately mimic the scenes sci-fi readers created in their minds while reading sci-fi books. People shouldn't forget what an accomplishment that was just because there have been decades of movies now using that tech, or even improved versions of it, in more recent movies. But I don't think anyone who loves the sci-fi genre would praise the plots of any of the Star Wars films. My god, they actually had to blow up the Death Star twice to complete installments in the series.
Dune has such a dense, multilayers plot and touches upon mad scientists, killer AI robots, grossly mutated FTL pilots, eugenisists, feudal-style politics, human super-computers, mystical mental powers, fanatical religous zealots, epic betrayal, ecology, and astounding animals with fascinating life cycles. Not to menition drugs, too, and a very nice analogy of those drugs to oil being pumped out of the desert here on current day Earth. It is very much written for adults with excellent attention spans and some smarts. It is sort of an anti-Star Wars work of art for those of us who think Lucas aimed his work exclusively at kids, and I fully understand, but don't endorse, the animosity that exists between fans of both franchises. I can enjoy them both for what they are.
@@Yesquire0 doesn't matter. Dune created the concepts that Star Wars plaigerised. No one denies Star Wars is a hell of an achievement, but saying "that is very Star Wars!" is just factually wrong. No part of Dune is "very Star Wars". Every part of Star Wars is "very Dune/Flash Gordon"
Lucas was as "inspired" by Dune to the same level as the Chinese Government is keen to "borrow" advanced technology.
So is everyone going to be talking about Star Wars with all the futuristic films from now on?
the more you know about the books, some of the smallest moments hit really hard.
movie is pretty good, very artistic, but the books are so dense it either would take a long time to adapt, or they have to cut and/change it to get it to work.
there is so much depth to... well, everything. Denis doesn't spoonfeed you, but if you know what to look for, it's there. oh, and it's not a cliché saviour story... much more going on. these 2 parts are barely anything in the grand scheme. a drop that becomes a tsunami of events
Star Wars was inspired by Dune... Among other things like the 7 Samurai by Akira Kurosawa
Well more Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress, but yeah. And Dune inspired by Lawrence of Arabia. And not just the film.
I enjoy seeing the uninitiated watch Dune just to see what they can pick up and what they don't. Being a long time fan of the book and all the previous attempts to bring it to screen it's something I can't experience. I look forward to seeing what she thinks of part 2.
Same! The real question: will she "get" Herbert's intent? Based on Coby's comment at the end, I'm not so sure! Cheers!
I was spent my teens growing up in North Africa. I adore the way this movie captures the feel of the brutal beauty of the Desert.......Dune was written in 1965 same year i was born. I am looking forward to you finishing the 2nd installment.
When Paul met the reverend mother and Jessica was in pain, she knew what he was going through because she had been through it too. What you called hairy, were the teeth, which the Crysknife is made of. The book Dune was released in '65.
That was enough StarWars mentions for the whole Dune trilogy ! Please no more ...
Dune is Star Wars for adults. You'll meet people who have read the book many times over to the point they can recite large passages from the novel by memory. That's the sign of a great classic.
Star Wars is Dune for kids*
Also of anal retentive fans.
Arrakis is a cruel desert world and water is so sacred to the Fremen that even shedding tears is considered wasting water. Even their cultural sayings revolve around references to water and the desert. When Stilgar spat on the table (while gross and an insult to us) is an incredible sign of respect that he would give his own water to another leader, as Jason Mamoa’s character said.
These are really complicated and detailed books, and I couldn’t wrap my head around them when I was a kid. Denes Villeneuve is a genius and he really clarified what was so incomprehensible to me.
Looooove this movie! The music, the atmosphere, the setting, the buildup, the fighting/choreograph, the "epicness" all top tier
As I like to tell people, Dune is basically the setup for the universe making a hard left. There is so much to the universe - technology, factions, religion & prophecy...the list goes on. I've read the books multiple times and keep discovering things, hopefully you enjoyed it enough to keep going, and have someone to answer some questions lol
Glad you're appreciating the music. Hans Zimmer is actually a huge fan of Dune and invented new instruments to come up with something otherworldly for these films.
sorry, i tried watching your reaction but you keep going on and on about Star Wars.
Bye
I'm typing this just 7:30 in after Jason Mamoa makes the joke about the kid having muscles. I was fortunate to work with him twice on SNL and the first time we met I had been working out hard for the first time in my life in the months prior. I'm only 5' 8" and don't have a look of a big strong guy. He put his hand on my shoulder at one point and squeezed and was like, "damn, you got some serious muscles under there!" I was never so proud of going from overweight and out of shape to getting strong in my life. Especially because my father, a very big strong man my whole life, passed away before I got in shape. He was so awesome every time he was in the building at NBC and truly inspired me to keep myself in good health with his genuine kind words. He even helped us to get his stuff loaded into his cars (12 massive duffle bags) leaving at 2am after hosting SNL while his whole posse was just drinking and having fun. He's one of my favorite people I ever met in my 5 and half years at SNL. A big dude, but an even bigger heart and work ethic.
I get it; I totally do, but man I wish Dune reactors had anything to say except "like star wars!"
Coby, flailing through a movie that shows everything and explains nothing: The gargling noise is the worm talking to Paul!
All the Redditors in the comments section who have read the books 73 times, seen three movies plus the miniseries 24 times each, and watched 428 deep dive videos: Um, Axchually, it’s
"Erik Njorl, son of Frothgar, brother of Hangnor, son of Thorvald Nlodvisson, son of Gudleif, half brother of Thorgier, the priest of Ljosa water, who took to wife Thurunn, the mother of Thorkel Braggart, the slayer of Cudround the powerful, who knew Howal, son of Geernon, son of Erik from Valdalesc, son of Arval Gristlebeard, son of Harken, who killed Bjortguaard in Sochnadale in Norway over Cudreed, daughter of Thorkel Long, the son of Kettle-Trout, the half son of Harviyoun Half-troll, father of Ingbare the Brave, who with Isenbert of Gottenberg the daughter of Hangbard the Fierce..."
And, and, he broke his toe kicking the helmet!
The Bene Gessrit have complete control over the bodily functions meaning member of their sisterhood can choose the gender of the child at conception
Worms didn't speak. The gurgling sound was throat talking/singing which you heard when they showed Emperor's army planet Salussa. The shields do not go red when person is killed. Red means that shield is penetrated. Shields were created for protection from bullets or arrows. But they designed darts to go around it, they slow down to go through it. Because shields cannot stop slow moving things (otherwise it probably would be cumbersome to wear them). That's why they do fight with swords, but you still need to master a special technique, because if you just hit or stab too fast, it will get rejected. In the movie they show the slicing moves, although it still feels too fast, but it's a movie, they have to make it look cool. They do still have projectile weapons and lasguns (lasers), but lasgun hitting shields creates a nuclear reaction, can kill both the shooter and all around. Also, shield vibration makes sandworms go into frenzy, so can't use them in the deep desert (fremen don't use shields).
Duke Leto didn’t marry Jessica so he could be available for a marriage that would be politically advantageous. They both agreed on this.
Adding on to say that it was just as important that Leto NOT marry. While the moment he married would bind the bride's house close to the Atreides, it would also push every other house slightly away. It was better to always leave the HOPE of a marriage floating around. Sort of a Schrödinger's marriage proposal. lol
@ yeah that too
What do you mean why not sit there calmly? sit where calmly? He had to be tested
Did you miss the part where she correct herself or were you just too eager to shit on someone else? It's one of the two so, either way, you look like a jackass hater
"looks like an expensive Star Wars"
This movie had a budget of $165 Million, the Acolyte show cost like $180 Million LOL
I am not sure what you are comparing. Acolyte cost more but also runs more hours. The per minute cost is more like half of the $180 if compared to a three hour film. This makes Dune more expensive per minute.
That's such a sad reality. Yes, the acolite is three times as long, but per dollar it's 100 times worse. Dune isn't perfect, at all, but it's way better than any Disney star wars other than The Mandilorian...
At approx. 30min per episode, the Acolyte clocks in around 4 hours, and yet I cannot tell where that money went. In both Dune movies, you can tell the money was well spent.
Disney over there flushing money down the drain…
@ shit I didn’t even realize that it was that short. Amazing what a passion project can achieve. Dune, loads of passion. Acolyte, loads of board-rooms.
in her defense, a new hope was 11million. she wasn't wrong.
As ever: You ought to read the books (Frank Herbert's initial 3-4 are essential. ...After that: they get "wonky" ...and sink into ...🤔platitudes and 🤷 "pablum" (in many areas and most of the writing)).
-I wanted to explain something which *I* believe tends to get ...overlooked, in viewings of the film:
The "table spitting" is actually described in the novel (although "after-the-fact [following the events being described]) as: "exchange of water."
It demonstrates how: on Arrakis, water is SO rare and precious that offering up some of your personal supply, is considered: an honorific & a demonstration of respect, to the person or persons to whom it is offered.
[It is, also, not performed so ..."arrogantly' "colloquially" by the Fremen leader. It is done (as would be expected) with certain decorum of ceremony ...while Leto Atreides, not knowing any of these things, but seeking to "return in kind" & to acknowledge custom and return respect... ...he and his people perform the act more as you would see it it in some aspect of: 🤷a life outside of Arrakis (and something you, yourself, might recognize. A bit more ..."vulgar" (which it WOULD be elsewhere!) and "common"...but with good intent, nonetheless ...an intent to demonstrate in return: a sense of respect, honor, et al. - and taken as reflective of that by the Fremen representative.]
It, also (naturally) demonstrates how: different behaviors and attitudes surround: elements, actions, many things, in differing contexts and (as one would expect, in) different cultures.
Glad you enjoyed part 1. Looking forward to your reaction to part 2. Seeing Paul's character arc might surprise you. He might not be the hero you think he is.
Not like the Jedi voices, but the Jedi voices are like the Bene-Gesserit voices.
The books were written when Star Wars was just a wet dream of G. Lucas.
G. Lucas later admitted that he drew heavily from the books.
Not for nothing is Lukes home a desert planet. 😉
The worm doesn't talk, Paul was exposed to the spice for the first time so his visions are being heightened and expanded.
In the novel, Paul Atreides is fifteen when he arrives on Arrakis. Not sure how old they made him for the films, but obviously he’s young.
Lady Jessica is of the Bene Gesserit order. She is highly trained in the Weirding Way and the use of The Voice aside from being a truthsayer. Not such an easy lady to kill. In fact, Bene Gesserit are trained to control every muscle and nerve in their body and can even control chemical reactions, making them less susceptible to poison. They are quite the formidable opponent.
By the time of Dune, artificial intelligence has been outlawed for over 10 millennia. There was an entire war fought over it called the Butlerian Jihad. This is also the reason why melange, more commonly referred to as the spice, is essential for space travel and to keep the Imperium intact.
Looking forward to Part 2. I would recommend reading the book after. It is Frank Herbert’s magnum opus. It is certainly an influence on Star Wars, so it’s difficult to hear a comparison of it being made with that franchise as it predates Star Wars by 12 years.
just inagine getting punched by someone who can control every fiber in their body. the total strength of every muscle fiber is enough to lift 20 tonnes
Star Wars. ... the Matrix ... they were black and white. This is definitely shades of grey. Very political story ... Very dense book(s) ... Very hard to make into a movie. The reason the fremen are recognizing him is in part because of the groundwork the Bene Gesserit layed down in spreading the prophecy amoung the Freman. Jessica wasn't supposed to have a male child ... She did because she wanted to give Duke Leto an heir ... She was supposed to have a girl who could then be used in the greater scheme of breeding this superman ... the Kwisatz Haderach.
... The Voice is not like the Force ... It's just a skill. The shields that they wear are for fast moving objects ... That's why they all fight with swords ... The dart that got through Leto's shield was made specifically to travel slow so that it could pierce a shield. ...
... God! There is so much lore to know, and this movie really does not spoon feed it to you like the David Lynch movie ... you really need a guide ....
... Oh, and I have to wonder what kind of buttholes they have an Australia, if they are lined with spikes like that 😮🤭
Australia?
To really appreciate this movie, knowing some of the history, lore and story itself really helps. It’s my favorite sci fi universe….and that says a lot coming from a Star Wars nerd…which got its influence and inspiration from this by the way. Not the other way around.
When Paul first experiences contact with spice, as he says: “I recognize your footsteps, old man” he’s not talking to Gurney. He’s talking to the incoming worm. Fremen call Shai hulud “the old man of the desert”.
I'm dying to know if you went back after editing this video and rerecorded the whispering in my right ear. It's a neat effect and plays into one of the themes of this movie and I appreciate the extra effort
Just so we are clear, Dune predates Star Wars episode 4 by about 10 years. So everything you see in Dune that reminds you of Star Wars, Lucas borrowed from Herbert.
And Lawrence of Arabia predates that/Dune/the book...
She knows that. She said it in the video
@@KimEllis-kt8ei Yep and further back to Last of the Mohicans and so on and so forth... That's nice about you and your Nan!
he was inpsired by the foundation not dune. and dune stole everything from the sabres of paradise
Not bad reactions, spoiled by incessant references to an inferior sci-fi franchise - Star Wars is to Dune as Conan the Barbarian is to Game of Thrones - just shut it, eh?
This movie is set in the year 10,191 A.G. Meaning 10,191 years After Guild. The year 10,191 takes place a significant amount of time after the establishment of the Spacing Guild. So it means that this take place over 10,000 years after inter-space travel. The year 10,191 A.G. corresponds to the year 23,352 A.D.
no it doesn't so if you look up the comprehensive timeline the year zero AG was the year 13,000 A.D 10,191 plus 13,000 = 23191
@@houseofaction You are wrong.
Dune begins in 10,191 AG, so we simply add 10,191 to 11,000+201 together:
10,191 + 11,000 + 201 = 21,392
This gives us the number of years that have passed in-between 10,191 AG and the beginning of deep space exploration.
The first interplanetary space probe was Pioneer 5 which was launched in 1960. If we start at 1960 A.D. and add 21,392 more years, we have 23,352 A.D. Thus, the year 10,191 AG corresponds to the year 23,352 A.D. That is, of course, assuming that the Dune chronology actually uses Earth years.
"Is the blue like a shield?"
Good lord.
The original short story was about the best horseshoe player in the known universe and was called "Dwayne."
About the suckers deal with the Doctor- it’s not, he got exactly what he made the deal expecting. His wife was being kept alive in horrifying torture. For context: the spidery “thing” the Harkonnen kept as a pet was once human. He knew he would die, and could only hope that she would too, as “payment” for his betrayal because that was the only freedom she could possibly have.
In the book Dr. Yueh was stabbed in the back by Piter De Vries, the Harkonnen Mentat, and the Doctor says, as he dies, "You think... you defeated... me. You think I did not know what I bought for my Wanna."
@ Thanks for the specifics! It’s been forever since I actually read the books myself so nice to be reminded how it was talked about.
Coby: "...those hairs are gross..."
You have to look up what the popcorn bucket looks like.
Everything is "It's like Star Wars" or "It's this actor I know" or "I really like the art direction, it's like Star Wars but more rock and roll". C'mon, can you interact with the movie on it's merits or what? I've enjoyed your other content but this was really weak and I ducked out @16:16.
This is a common problem among reactors but you spend too much time comparing things to other films you’ve seen - you are jumping to conclusions based on how other films told their story and then missing things this one is showing you. There are no prizes for guessing what will happen - let each film tell its story. The talking heard at the very opening of the film was heard again later on but you missed it because you were talking over the film.
React channels are all just a big fake grift.
@@Nineteen1900Hundred and yet here you are commenting on one.
@@Madbrood And? I’m a fan of Dune. Was just curious. What, you a loyal subscriber?
What is it you want? Them to just go "Wow, so cool." periodically? I suggest subscribing to Jason Derulo or Ssssniperwolf then.
@@jw70467Agreed. Coby is great because she tries to figure things out and doesn't just sit there. As has been mentioned elsewhere, as well as she herself saying her sci-fi experience is limited to SW and Alien/s and The Matrices, she does well trying to sort it out. Everyone forgets they were a newb or normie once and we all still try and understand new things through the lens of the old. Cheers.
I think for anyone who hasn’t read the books, watching Dune a second time really helps bc there is so much info, like how shields block anything fast like quick knife jabs or any bullets, while allowing slow attacks. I also get reactors need to talk for these videos, so there’s going to be a lot missed while they’re commenting.
Dune came first B4 Star-anything.
The slow blade penetrates the shield
Shields stop projectiles like bullets and any untrained melee attack. Only specialized and rare/expensive ammunition can get through. And it takes years of training to learn how to stab someone through one. This prevents civilian populations from overthrowing their rulers.
In the mid-70´s Alejandro Jodorowsky worked on 2 projects. Developing a graphic novel in collaboration with Jean Giraud (The Incal, published 1980) and getting F.Herberts DUNE onto the screen. The Dune-project failed, Jean Giraud (aka Moebius) got hired by George Lucas (to assist developing the Star Wars-story). Read the Incal ( you even find a Jidei) , watch the documentary about Jodorowskys Dune. Möebius is one of the direct connections between the Dune- and the Star Wars -saga..
Villeneuve’s 4th best science fiction film
Lol, I mean Arrival has worked its way to my all time favorite film so I’d at least agree one #2 or so (though it feels hard to put Dune or the sequel above the other fine they are so integral to each other).
Is there anyone out there who had never read the books, watched this and thought "Wow! I get why everyone loves this, and it all makes sense" just curious.
I can only imagine how confused she’s going to be and how much she’s going to NOT get it, and how frustrated I’m going to be watching this.
Well, if you start out with so many questions, instead of immersing into the story... Confusion abounds.
For an intelligent woman, she has a surprising lack of basic observational skills. Makes it frustrating to watch.
The power of the Bene Gesserit is not in "magic", per se. But it is in the observation of minutae. Their Voice works because they can tell exactly what pitch and tone will trigger instant obedience to the speaker. Paul knew the footsteps of Gurney Halleck as he approached from behind him. He knew that it was Duncan flying the thopter, just by the way it was being flown. It's not magic. It's perception.
Just a comment! Oscar is not in the real Star Wars.................................