Never. It's a coin toss. The NFL has managed to sensationalize the draft which not one player has ever been drafted who was NFL proven. College proven but if college and NFL were the same JaMarcus Russell would probably just retiring.
What are you talking about buddy boy it’s not even close between Dak or Goff . Easily GOFF . GOFF has actually been to the SUPERBowl 🦉 And actually leading teams and just look at the guys win record Especially if you take out his first season in Detroit, but that’s part of it so even overall he’s so much better . In my opinion at least.
@@CSDonohue11 My dilemma was the dependence Dallas has had on Dak for the last 5-7 years, especially as Zeke declined. Goff is more accomplished but he had better coaching and better teams. I am a big Goff fan and think he did as much as he could in LA. Glad to see him succeeding in Detroit, but Dak is a top 10 QB for the last 5 years and that's where Goff lands also.
You base your videos off of how these people perform but a big factor is also how much merchandise do they sell how many tickets do they sell how is their social media? You put a little Kurt Angle reference in there I figured you would understand the business a little more It's Entertainment
@@TravelatorH8r I think merchandise and tickets come with winning also. Brady wasn't flashy and he didn't have some great personality but his jersey sold pretty well. I follow what you are saying, and for some of the teams they just want entertaining guys, but lining the owners pockets costs a bunch of GM's their jobs if they whiff on a player.
When a team is in the midst of what’s known as a rebuilding phase, I’ve always felt that the key is to rebuild the inside first. I was told a long time ago that if a team has a really good offensive and defensive line, they can beat any other team in the league regardless of how talented everyone else is, and that still holds true to this day. Look at any Super Bowl team (winners or losers) in history and you’ll find that they all had savages in the trenches. If a team has a horrible year and gets the first overall draft pick, if they need a quarterback and there’s a generational talent available, sure go ahead and pick them, but then use the rest of the draft and free agency to rebuild the players doing the dirty work rather than going after receivers or running backs. I actually don’t consider David Carr a bust (at least not in the way we view JaMarcus Russell) because no quarterback would’ve been successful when they have two seconds or less to throw the ball, he had no chance in Houston.
@johnselwitz5362 I agree with you completely on building out the team. One of the recent times where it worked the opposite was with Burrow. Cincy drafted him, then prior to year two spent a bunch of free agent money on his line, but for the most part I think building through the lines is the way to NFL success. Also, Carr was essentially ruined by the Texans. At least he got paid, cause otherwise it would have been a travesty.
@@theunlikelysuccess Very true, I remember that Burrow was sacked more than any other quarterback in 2021, he had a young and inexperienced offensive line, although that wasn’t entirely the O-line’s fault, Burrow often played hero ball too much rather than checking it down or throwing it away (Bill Parcells once said that sometimes the best play a quarterback can make is simply throwing the ball out of bounds). But even still, the unsung heroes of that 2021 Bengals team were the defensive linemen they acquired in the offseason. Trey Hendrickson, B.J. Hill and Larry Ogunjobi combined for 26.5 of their 42 total sacks that season and improved that defense. It wasn’t an astronomical improvement but it was good enough to make a run to the Super Bowl, those guys were crucial to that team. My favorite example was the Vikings from around 2007 to 2010, they were awesome to watch. Their O-line had absolute units like Matt Birk, Bryant McKinnie, and Steve Hutchinson opening up holes for Adrian Peterson to run through, and then on the other side you had Jared Allen and the Williams Brothers making life miserable for opposing offenses. In 2008, they won a division title with Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson at quarterback, they get Favre the following season and nearly win it all. I think that’s the blueprint that every team that’s rebuilding should use, along with not giving up on a rookie quarterback after one difficult season. If Peyton Manning had been a rookie in today’s NFL and in his first season thrown 28 interceptions along with a completion percentage of less than 60%, he’d get labeled a bust and Colts fans would want to trade him.
@@johnselwitz5362 The Vikings have been a pretty competent organization but the playoffs are their ultimate enemy. I couldn't agree more on that team, they were the ones with the Love Boat disaster, right? Also, I think that it gets forgotten how valuable a good offensive line is.When the Patriots offensive line coach, Dante Scarnecchia, moved on they never recovered. You have to have the right guys and the right coaching but it makes all the difference. Peyton definitely would have been benched and seen as a bust. The lack of patience to develop guys is crazy.
@@theunlikelysuccess Yep, although the Love Boat incident with the Vikings happened a few years prior in 2005, I’ll always believe it was a key factor in Mike Tice getting fired. I’ve said it before, the worst thing to ever happen to rookie quarterbacks was what happened from 2008 to 2012. Prior to then, a rookie quarterback leading a previously struggling team to the playoffs was unheard of, I know there was Roethlisberger in 2004 but the Steelers already had a solid running game and a dominant defense, and Ben was simply a game manager who was tasked to make an occasional throw and not mess things up. He was more of an exception to the rule, rookie quarterbacks used to be allowed time to settle in, learn the playbook, and even sit on the bench for a little while to be mentored by a veteran. But starting in 2008, you had Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez (kinda), and Andy Dalton all go to subpar teams, and help lead them to the postseason. In 2012, three rookies in one year accomplished that feat: Andrew Luck, RG3, and Russell Wilson, with each guy having rookie of the year caliber seasons. So now people’s mindsets changed and expectations were raised, if a rookie quarterback comes in and struggles to adapt to the NFL, people will automatically say "well this guy got drafted to a bad team and led them to the playoffs his rookie season, why can’t that guy do it?" rather than using some logic and understanding that maybe that team already had a solid foundation and the quarterback was simply the spark to ignite their turnaround (i.e. Russell Wilson with the Seahawks)
@@johnselwitz5362 I think Brady was trying to convey a similar message a few weeks back. The expectations have become so high that guys can't get through a full rookie deal before people move on. Wonder what will happen to JJ in Minnesota with Darnold's success.
O line is criminally underrated. There is a reason Mahomes is killing it. He would be elite either way, but he went to a team that was already on the cusp of dominant and sat for a year to learn.
@Jackaroo. I wrote a blog post on O line play and how the Chiefs/Lions are winning because of their great lines. Not sure if I ever turn it into a video, since I'm not sure it will get many views.
Jared Goff cannot be called a system QB . He is elite . He’s easily one of the top 5 QBs in the league right now and with the Lions and their offense he will shine for year to come . Not only that but his current record for the year is just insane . He is a legit contender for MVP
@reaperking2121 Got something coming on this exact topic! Appreciate you watching and got several comments that my take that he could be a HoF player was 'wild.'
Goff has looked much better this year than every other year in his career. Detroit has helped him a lot. I don’t think he’s elite. As a niner fan, neither is Purdy. The elite category is only for a select few. Elite QBs can carry the team to the playoffs in spite of their surroundings. Purdy’s close, but not there yet. Goff has never been there. However I’m rethinking his performance this year could get him close to the elite club. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the season. I love mind-changing seasons, especially when the player is playing better than I expected.
@@StuartScott-ng4ir I think Purdy is a younger Goff from a performance perspective. A little more athleticism and a little less accuracy but similarly benefitting from a talented team. This season is proving Purdy isn't a superstar but that he is an above average NFL QB. I think Goff has been rewriting the narrative around him and this year could be the full 180 by most media members on who/what he is.
@@theunlikelysuccessI don’t want to hear “it’s his team around him” nonsense. Jimmy G is what those comments are for. Everyone wants to poop on Purdy cause Jimmy G was able to get to the Super Bowl and 2 NFC championships. People need to watch more film on Purdy, not just Highlights and lowlights. Goff STILL struggles against the blitz/pressure. His A+ Oline keeps this weakness hidden. He’s not great under pressure… and that is his Achilles heel. It’s why LA traded him away for Stafford in the first place.
@@StuartScott-ng4ir I think Purdy is better than Jimmy G, but he's not elite. I watched quite a bit of him at Iowa State, since I'm a fan of theirs. It's fair to challenge Purdy, since without all the talent they are currently sitting at 4-4 with him at the helm. I get what you are saying, but Purdy is far from perfect. Sure it looks good when Deebo/Aiyuk/Kittle/CMC and their defense are humming but he's not making everyone else better. Goff also has weaknesses but he's ahead of where Purdy is at the current moment in my opinion. Purdy was bailed out in the NFC championship against the Packers and Lions both, and he isn't exactly lighting it up this season. 10 TDs and 7 INTs is a regression year over year and it's due to the injuries, but let's not pretend Purdy is above Goff in what they have put on film.
@jpmnky I think it's a problem with the expectations. They're unrealistic in my opinion and these guys have to fix bad teams and become HOF players to get credit.
@@theunlikelysuccess David Carr and Tim Couch got the bad end of the deal due to their teams being brand new. even though the Browns werent technically "new" they still had to start from 0
@@ernestogastelum9123 They got terrible deals joining those teams. Only a handful of QBs ever would have been able to will the Browns or Texans to eventual success.
The reason why the Eagles have stayed fairly consistent with their success over so many years is Howie Roseman ensures their offensive line is solid. Rebuilding teams should take note. Build up your trenches first.
@synthlordvr I have made the case several times to friends that Lane Johnson completely changes the Eagles play. Kelce was also great and he rarely missed games, but when both were on the field the Eagles were golden.
Vick had all of that success while relying on his talent alone and wasnt a student of the game until he joined the Eagles. Of he would have studied the game and actually studied film he could have been so so much better. As a Panthers fan I hated playing the Falcons and Vick.
@scottiebuchanan2102 Vick's talent is truly crazy. He was the AI of the NFL. If he studied film and stayed out of trouble off the field....it would have been an all time career.
I’m so glad to see this Alex Smith love! He’s so underrated because of what he was able to do despite never getting a legit chance. He never reached his ceiling. But regardless I believe Arod would still be the better QB in the draft class.
@sizzlefrizzle6829 Alex Smith's career plays out differently if he isn't drafted first overall. I think he becomes a great quarterback if he was setup and developed properly. He became pretty good and had to basically waste the first 3 - 4 years with where that team was at.
Stafford not having a winning record wasn't his fault. The Lions wouldn't even have a bunch of those wins if he wasn't so damn clutch and keep leading game winning drives with Johnson as his receiver. He never had a great line. Never had a running game. Never had a proper defense. Never had a full roster of receivers. And they STILL made the playoffs a couple times with one of the least talented rosters I'd ever seen in a decade's worth of football. As a Packers fan, I couldn't help but think that Stafford and the Lions fans deserved way better than that horrible management team and woeful coaching. I'm happy he was a big part of the Rams getting another ring. He deserves it.
@KuroiRenge Absolutely agree. Stafford played well for Detroit nearly every year and carried some pretty bad teams. I'm a Rams fan, but Stafford was also a player I think most supported when he won.
I think his high interception rate even in Los Angeles during their superbowl year even though they had the best player in football Aaron Donald, a top 3 corner that year in Jalen Ramsey, the OPOY Cooper Kupp, Obj, and a stellar coach in Mcvay and he still led the league or was around the league leader in interceptions in and of itself show that a lot of those loses in Detroit were also Staffords fault because even with a super team around him he still wasn’t a dominant player, and he was a very high turnover prone player to the point where if they don’t have a dominant corner or a triple crown winner at wideout, they likely don’t win a superbowl and as we see years since the Super Bowl he hasn’t even been demonstrably better than the QB he has replaced in Jared Goff
@@christianpoint0888 I think Rivers had more talent as a QB as well. He did have an odd throwing motion but it was effective. Manning was a solid QB but there wasn't a point where I thought he was a top 5 QB over his career. Not sure I'll call it a yawn, but the fact that you did gave me a good laugh. 🤣😆
@@theunlikelysuccess I used to envision Geoff and Stafford passing each other at the airport in Stafford giggling while Geoff was giving him the bird ! 😂😂😂😂
If you at any point watched the matt stafford lions, you would know that he is and always has been a winner. I maintain he was the best nfc north qb for atleast 5 years. Sincerely a vikings fan
I don’t think Rivers would have the rings that Eli had if they never switched teams. The playoffs are just a different monster. Eli had it, and Rivers didn’t in the playoffs, despite Rivers having much superior numbers. They also have similar levels of supporting talent, with Rivers arguably having much better offensive weapons, in particular LT, Gates, and Keenan Allen
@SpittUp I have always thought Rivers was a step above Eli but the playoffs were a different story. Eli was calm when the game was on the line, but he wasn't all of a sudden an MVP. They aren't top tier all time QBs but both had pretty good careers.
@@theunlikelysuccessEli also had stud defenses carry him to the playoffs. And Eli can thank Kyle Williams for the 2011 ring for booting a couple of fumbles on special teams in the NFC championship game.
@@StuartScott-ng4ir He benefitted but I can't knock how he played during the runs. He would magically stop turning the ball over during those two runs and play complimentary football.
@@theunlikelysuccesshe didn’t play great in the 2007 Super Bowl and the 2011 NFC championship game. I think he got lucky. He was a decent QB. But HOF? No. In post Ravens SB era (cause the league changed after that one), Eli manning has THE MOST INTs in the NFL. The Most!!
@redefined_dk7297 I still think he has a shot at being good. My opinion is that the right coach coming in to Jacksonville next can turn him into a star...but he has not looked like one.
Vick never being over 3000 yards until 2010 is crazy still had one of the prettiest deep balls in history definitely one of the best leftys imo other than steve young
It actually depend on who the qb is and who else is available in round 1. Now if its a payton manning, Elway, burrow i would draft them. But i always believed that most successful teams drafted qb after the team is built. So if there is someone im in love with and have a plan for than i would trade back and stockpile picks. But it also has to do with the organization and their patience. So the question is would i draft a qb number overall. Depends on who it is and my belief is if he is going to be a perennial pro bowler. After i drafted the qb though i would develop him by getting a veteran over him so he can do what kc did with mahomes. Development is just as important as talent.
@thomascox9362 Completely agree. I think teams have gotten obsessed with QB first overall rather than who is the most talented. It's largely due to many of the trade ups, but still I think they should go after who the true best player is.
Drafting quarterbacks first overall doesn’t mean what it used to. Because of the importance of the position with the rule changes simply having Tua’s ceiling is enough for you to go 1 overall if he’s the best on the board. Quarterbacks are the most important position but I still believe in taking the best value over drafting AR15 Zach Wilson Trey Lance BY and these other quarterbacks with no business going in the top 5.
The 1st rounders seem to be more hits than others because they simply get more chances. Take for example the Eli Manning rookie campaign. He was on the field because the franchise invested in him. The better (way more efficient) option was to warm the bench. If Manning was a 3rd rounder, he would have never stepped onto an NFL field again after his 4th start... On the other hand you have tons of low rounders never given a chance. For Kurt Warner to become a superstar, he needed the NFL Europe (same is true for Kitna, Brad Johnson), an injury to the starter, and great confidence by Vermeil to not end up as a "camp arm". Brady got lucky one HC saw something in him plus another major injury to the starter was needed. Many stars must align for those guys to get practise reps, experience, then stardom and efficiency. Otoh, you have crazy busts like Mirer, Marinovich, Russell, etc, etc, etc... Additionally, nowadays you have to overpay the "generational" talent once the rookie contract is done (some really dumb franchises even overpay/extend/re-new before the deadline is due). So hell no, NEVER EVER draft that shiny new "generational" QB. Its not worth the risk. Numbers back it up: Other than Mahomes, those "golden boys" dont win more SBs (pro-rated over the length of being the starting QB) than any random NFL QB.
@FoxxyBrown1111 I think there is much more to the argument though. Collectively there are 58 Super Bowl winners. Brady - Montana - Aikman - Bradshaw - Mahomes won 21 of them, so that leaves 37. If Brady went to the Browns in 00' his career never happens. He's said as much. I think fit is way more important than ever gets discussed but I also think we have to stop considering guys who don't win a Super Bowl as failures. A lot of your points are valid, but my only pushback is that a lot of these guys did the best they could with what they were given. The expectations are so high though, that if they didn't win a Super Bowl or MVP they were always going to underperform.
@@theunlikelysuccess Great points. Thanks for your reply. I didnt mean you was wrong in any way. Its just so-called "franchise" QB need lots of luck (or the lack of) to be either considerd a bust or a "superstar". Its a small, fine line. The ultimative team sport needs everything to "click" to prevail. Just picking a "generational" QB in the 1st round aint cut the deal. I´ve seen them QBs come and go. Some got chances (the mentioned 1st rounders), but also tons of talents who got dished out... Look no further than Joe Milton in NE. Pre determined by "scouts" as a low rounder, he never will get his chance, yet he is the greatest talent at QB I´ve ever seen (being involved in football since 1985). Once you are labeled, yo are labeled, your future is set. For the good, or the bad.
@@FoxxyBrown1111 I did not take it that way, and didn't mean for it to come off like that if it did. You raised very valid points. And I also think a lot of guys can succeed in the right spots. Unfortunately media narratives can overhype a guy or they can push one out of consideration. Happens across all positions but it's glaring at QB. I think it's why Brady gets so much love, he's one of a very very few players who broke through at QB. Same with Warner, most like you said, will carry a label and never even get a real shot at being a starter. I always just hope for lower draft picks they can make a few rosters and save some of the money. Cause they earned it.
@KrakenKNG I was just talking about this earlier today to someone. Vick is a true redemption story, served his time, came out and never made excuses that I remember.
@@jjirish2I think the label gets thrown out on way too many guys, but I get your point. Jimmy Johnson has an argument as the best talent evaluator ever, even if it was a pretty short run.
JaMarcus Russell was guaranteed to be a bust. What the Raiders were thinking when drafting Russell made no sense. Hope Lane Kiffen got his full compensation.
@geoffreyporter7567 I think his was on his way, but I also was waiting for someone to call me out on it a bit. Russ and Kirk have been awesome, I wonder if that class could have been all time great if RGIII and Luck's careers playout different.
@@theunlikelysuccess NGL, I think about that a lot too. If RG3 had played up to his potential over a more sustained period, and Luck’s injuries had been managed remotely competently, we could realistically have had a solid 3 or maybe even 4 HoF QBs out of that class. Hell, it says a lot that, even with things playing out the way that they did, that there are still two 3rd and 4th round guys in the league today that have a decent chance to end up in the HoF discussion when they retire.
@@geoffreyporter7567 I think Kirk will have a tough time putting together an HoF case but I get your point fully. To me, that 2012 class could have been better than the 04' class if Washington took care of RG3 and Indy didn't ruin their franchise QBe because as you pointed out they still have two guys playing at starting levels 12 years later.
Late to the party, but if JG helps get the Lions their first Lombardi that man is getting a damn statue in Detroit on top of a bust in canton. (I’m only slightly more than biased as a pre-Stafford Lions fan)
@scotthealy3206 I think the Rams - Lions trade for Stafford will go down as THE most win-win trade of all time. Both teams got better, one already got a Super Bowl and the other is contending for one for the first time basically ever. I saw until this year, the Lions had NEVER been favored to win the Super Bowl and it blew my mind. I'm a Rams fan, but I would not be mad if the Lions got themselves a ring. Easy team to root for in the current iteration.
@dukenukembubblegum7311 There are a few things I am cooking up over the next few months and looking into some of the guys who went to bad situations is on the list. I cannot confirm or deny if Harrington is on a list somewhere around my setup.
How does Matt Stafford only have two pro bowl?!?! That’s wild Stafford is so underrated I always said Derick and Matt Stafford were underrated on bad teams doing good Stafford had some other great players, but the whole team was slack and he didn’t ever have a good defense but one season the one season he actually had a running back. They went five and oh with the running back they went undefeated good job Javad best actually played. But best only knew how to fall on his head when being tackled So Stafford only had a top five defense one time and only one running back could’ve been great but couldn’t stay on the field And then his next best was an old Reggie Bush, and they still made the playoffs with Reggie Bush is the running back Stafford would be all-time great in the right situation still definitely not manning or Brady but he’d be right up there in the next year with the all-time great and I feel he already is And then Carr was starting to prove it again this year and then gets injured
@CSDonohue11 Stafford had elite skills but a bad organization can't be fixed by a talented QB. You're right that they did him a disservice and his career would have been much better with about 20 or so other teams.
I dont think stafford should be HOF, but for damn sure he was a very good QB. He was clutch as hell, just had a terrible team most of the time. Him and megatron were the best to watch
People only remember Eli badly because of picks but failed to mentions he’s the only qb who won with a bottom 5 o line twice. He’s top 15 all time because he’s one of 5 players with two sb mvps. Eli was elite he’s top 10 in game winning drives. Clark was straight up lying. That boy put fear in players in the 4th quarter. 7 road playoff wins. In 20 years they gonna be be meat riding his career, or Josh Allen will get the same treatment or if Dak is able to win a ring.
@NasirLawson-si5pu I definitely disagree with Clark on how he views Eli, but he also was never a top 5 QB in a season he played in. I think he had two amazing playoff runs and was between the 8th and 15th best QB for most years he played. His longevity and clutch moments combine with his last name and probably make him an HOFer and once he's in, that's all that matters.
@@theunlikelysuccess he easily was top 5 from 07-12. Phillip rivers was never better than Eli. Remember Eli never had an o line. Out of all top 20 qbs of all time Eli had the worst teams, except Dan Marino. Won with the worst o line and run game. And set records throwing for 6200 yards in total over the season and playoffs. I think people remember the picks more than they should, he eventually lowered them but the defense was bad so it didn’t matter then. As a jets fan, Eli is 11 or 12 greatest all time but only top 30-50 talent/ best.
Cam’s career was defined by him not jumping on that fumble in Super Bowl regardless of his success and accolades throughout his career maybe if dove on the ball it may have changed other outcomes or he could have suffered a career altering injury and he’d be a what if like RG3 regardless he definitely was deserving of the 1st pick and had success
@@theunlikelysuccess it’s his most memorable highlight which is wild I couldn’t imagine being a Panthers fan and watching that Super Bowl and watching your star QB essentially give up on a play
@@Booney1286 It's a truly unfortunate way to remember his career. He was a different kind of QB. If he had developed his passing to a higher degree he was the template for who Josh Allen is now, but not diving will be his legacy sadly.
RG3 stole Lucks OROY… Luck deserved it far more. He would’ve been a HOF QB if the colts would’ve put the pieces around him. Maybe even one of the greatest QBs ever. Yall remember that AFC championship game against the Chiefs?… We missed out on a great.
@friendsofthedead2742 IDK if I can say RGIII stole it, RGIII had a great season his rookie year. It doesn't take away from Luck, sometimes another guy has an awesome year also. As for what happened with Luck's career, I completely agree that he would have likely been headed toward a gold jacket, assuming the Colts pulled their heads out of their you know whats.
@ I’m not trying to take away from RG3s year, he did have an incredible one. I just feel that Luck did even more than RG3 in that year. And yeah, it really hurt watching his career unfold since I’m a colts fan (so also slightly biased on the first point)
@@friendsofthedead2742 Ah, I follow. I think it was a pretty close year. A lot of times it feels like either one guy runs away with it or your picking amongst a bunch of meh types of years. RGIII and Luck came in and delivered immediately. Colts have been punished by the football Gods the ever since Luck left. They did not do right by that guy. I'm a Rams fan, but Luck was too talented to have his career play out the way it did.
Vick is the most talented QB ever drafted? I'm no Denver fan, but I still think John Elway was the first "generational talent" QB and still above all others coming out of college. It's all opinion, though.
@@ceocartel2120Elway isn't even top 5 all-time. The guy shit the bed in 3 Super Bowls! Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Marino, Favre, Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes... all better than Elway. And don't even get me started on his abysmal GM skills! Maybe top 10... maybe.
@gregorysextro1730 I'm guessing you are not a denver Broncos fan. I'll take Elway as a quarterback over any of those guys you just mentioned. Yes, he is 2-3 in superbowls. But in the 4th quarterback with the game on the line, there is no one better than him. Ask the Cleveland Browns about the drive in 89.
I don't think Stafford makes the hall of fame but not because he doesn't deserve it but because narrative and win/loss record is what QBs are judged for these days. Being loyal to the Lions cost him a gold jacket. No body paid attention to the lions until the trade so nobody outside of Detroit knows he had Joe Lombardi, Scott Lienhan, an in over his head Jim Bob Cooter, Derell Bevell for a second until Matt Patrica thought he could do a better job calling plays for him. That they drafted more pro bowl players in the last 4 years than the entire 12 years that Stafford was there. That the offense under Caldwell was so old school they didn't have 4 WR on the roster. That Patrica gutted the defense and handicapped the offense. That Goff had had more 100 yard rushers in 4 years than Stafford had in 12 years in Detroit. That they refused to trade Megatron and forced him to retire rather than making their team better. All they see is a QB with a losing record so he must have been the problem. I thought that the Superbowl run would have been enough but Cooper got all the credit and the injury filled next season erased all the momentum.
@zeromega4541 Hopefully he ends up in the HOF. If the vantage point is that the HOF should include players you cannot tell the story of the NFL without then I would say he is very deserving. His toughness is absolutely legendary, not to mention his loyalty. Everything you said is true, and I forgot all about the Jim Bob Cooter experience. Man, they did MegaTron and Stafford dirty during all those years.
@@theunlikelysuccess It's tough being a Stafford fan especially back in the day. He put up video game numbers and everyone just gives the credit to the era. Because nobody knew how bad these OC guys were in Detroit until they screwed up some other franchise. Nobody knew how bad Scott Lienhan was at his job until he went to Dallas and the cowboys fans were calling for his head every week for mismanaging the offense. Nobody knew how bad Joe Lombardi was until he shat the bed with the chargers due to complete incompetence. No body knew that Matt Patrica took play calling duties away from Bevell as soon as he felt a bit of heat and proceeded to throw screen passes for the next 2 years until we went back to New England and threw a bunch of screen passes. They just pass off as it's a passing era or he had Megatron. He did have Megatron but what he didn't have was the option to the run a foreign concept like a bunch formation because the lions never had a 4th WR on the roster while he was in Detroit. Don't get me started on the Odell Beckham mistake. There biggest need was at WR in the 2014 draft in a stacked WR draft and they took a tight end. The next 2 WR off the board were Brandin Cooks and Odell Beckham Jr. Nope the lions would rather draft a TE and promote a guy off the practice squad. I need to watch the new lions. I'm getting the old feelings back.
@zeromega4541 Those days are behind you. As a Rams fan, I'd like to say you're welcome for the real game changer for the Lions, Brad Holmes. He is an awesome GM. Lions have been hitting on so many picks since he got there. It's nice to see Detroit relevant. Plus, as you have outlined their history is laughably bad. Well, maybe tragically from your end.
I think Andrew wouldn't surpass Mahomes or Brady, they both destroyed the Colts, and tbh that last loss to Mahomes demoralized him, because after years of being beaten by Brady, here comes Mahomes and later Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. And I think with those guys, his Superbowl aspiration, ambition and hope would be dashed by any of them.
@ftwsam2246 I think Andrew would have needed to find a great coach to beat KC. Not sure if that would have happened and he probably would have kept them too good to pick at the top end of any drafts. Indy did not do him a lot of favors in his time there.
@@theunlikelysuccess Yeah, Luck literally was forced to retire due to injuries. Everyone was surprised when he stepped down, but he honestly didn't have much of a choice.
@snarkymcsnarkles3493 Yea, he isn't a Hall of Famer but he was definitely a very good quarterback. And, it seems like he's a great guy based on what I could find.
Never draft a quarterback 1st overall. Caveat is if there is a “Peyton Manning” available. In the last 40 years. There are have only been 4 quarterbacks taken 1st overall that has one a super bowl (Aikman, Peyton, Eli, Stafford). Staffed of course had to leave his original team to go win on another team.
2004 top QB's- How great is Rivers really when you have Tomlinson, Gates, Vincent Jackson, etc. often a great D and a great line, and never make the superbowl? Eli would have put up Peyton #'s on the Chargers, and Rivers could have been Daniel Jones on the Giants. As for Big Ben it is tough to tell where the Steelers system leaves off and Big Ben begins, but I also don't remember them winning as much with Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, etc as they did with Big Ben either...
@kpk33x I have always thought Rivers was top tier, but you're not wrong about the talent. I always thought Eli was a step below, but it's fair to say he had less talent on offense. I think the Giants defenses were better than the Chargers though. For Big Ben, I think his off field stuff overshadows how good he was on it. He also had a lot of talent over the years, but he was always pretty good. Anyway you look at the three, it's one of the best QB draft classes ever.
@@theunlikelysuccess it depends on the year with the D. I would say '05-07 the D was great. Then it was not. Especially in '11...the running game was last until December, D and O-line was bottom 5. Eli dragged that team into the playoffs then the D woke up. The Chargers varied on D but usually were guaranteed to have a top half o-line for him along with the offensive stars. But then the Chargers must Charger and find weird and new ways to miss the playoffs or grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.
Steeler fan here. Ben immediately coming into a team that wasn’t so terrible (in 2003 they finished 6-10, not great but not the abyss either) was helpful but make no mistake: He made plays and won games and titles because of his arm and legs. I mean 2004 his rookie year was so special seeing the running and amount of late game heroics. All Kordell and Maddox was were game managers. Ben was a real QB. Ben was a difference maker.
Stafford’s losing career record with only 4 total playoff wins and 2 pro bowl selections isn’t a HOF resume. He’s a hall of fame talent in the best of situations but not on the level of the other greats who would be hall of famers regardless of their situation.
@chicagodude8888 Agree, he's a tier below the guys who could overcome any situation ever, but he's got HOF talent. Problem is, his situation hurt his chances of making it. I openly admit my bias towards Rams players, and I think that's where I stretch his case a bit.
@@theunlikelysuccess I see him as similar to Rivers Big Ben and Matt Ryan. All HOF very good quarterbacks with who’d have the resume if all were drafted by the Steelers in that 04 draft riding that defense. Stafford’s been snubbed twice for pro bowls tossing 41 td passes and 5k yards in 2011 and 2021 so he has some impressive single season performances but falls short of the criteria.
@@chicagodude8888 Yea, it's unfortunate but you're right. Big Ben and Ryan probably get in whereas Rivers and Stafford won't just due to awards/playoff success. Stafford is not the first or last guy this will happen to.
@@theunlikelysuccess Carson Palmer also comes to mind but injuries also played a role in his disappointing career. We’ve seen him at his best in 2005 qdn 2015. He had the ability.
@@chicagodude8888 We agree there, Palmer was a guy who showed the skills but injuries/organization derailed his career. He also had that weird period with the Raiders that lost him a few years.
So you're not doing all the 1st overall selections but only so far back because Peyton Manning was a constant MVP. Might want to clarify how far back you're going
@shinglesshingles It's my bad that I didn't say since 2000, but I do note that is 18 of the last 24 picks first overall picks. Manning would have actually helped my point in the video, not hurt it, just for clarity.
@theunlikelysuccess yea I got that part not saying it would've hurt. It was just killing me to hear you keep talking about #1 picks and I'm thinking of all the QBs u were missing. I caught on quickly that it was since 2000 just would've liked that disclaimer
@@shinglesshingles Yea, I had at least one other comment saying the same thing about mentioning it. It was oversight on my part when I put together the script. Living and learning my friend, living and learning.
@BrutusMcCrunch McVay was right on Goff at the time they traded him, and I think the Rams miss their Super Bowl window without making the trade, but Jared has also become better than they expected. It's a very rare win win trade for both sides.
of course he’s elite he’s a starter on an NFL team. But the question is how elite. He’s not in the top 5 for nfl qbs still playing. Hell you’d have to argue to place him in the top 15. And the trade for stafford is always gonna hang over his head and define his career. He would need a super bowl win or an mvp at this point in his career to make the hall of fame. But with the chiefs dynasty that’s gonna be damn near impossible for him
@LT_Trex3234 I still think Lawrence will be a pretty good QB. His biggest obstacle is that the scouts and media called him generational, so anything short of a few MVP's and Super Bowl will not change their narrative.
@daviidtaplin1115 I feel like this too. Goff has certain limitations, but he has definitely become a very good QB. The questions from his early days never seemed to go away though.
Teams draft quarterbacks for the sake of it. Once upon a time Eli Rivers and Big Ben went 1 4 and 10. If that draft happened today Rivers would be a Charger Eli would be a Cardinal and Big Ben would be a Raider. JP Lossman goes in the top 10. This is why busts are dime of dozen.
Dude. You need to work on your cadence. You have a consistent rhythm of “dah-dah-dah-daaah…. dah-dah-dah-daaaah.” Listen to some more established creators for the cadence of their videos. Improving your speaking rhythm will make your videos come across as more professional. You should also get a script editor. There are a lot of grammatically odd sentences that compound your extant rhythmic issues. This is one of your weaker videos, but it’s still good content at the core.
@dylanjwagner Thanks for the constructive feedback. Hard to find these days on the internet. This was my first stab at a video this length, but will keep working at improving for sure.
@@theunlikelysuccess you heard of Jim plunkett? Won 2 sbs in the 70s for the raiders...is he in the hof?..nope. One thing I do know. He never led the league in ints.
@@DannyG21 Eli was a guy who seemed oblivious to his surroundings. I know 'next play mentality' is preached everywhere but Eli really seemed to forget every play/game after it happened. To me that was his special skill....but also a major flaw. That's what I mean, I'm not sure there have been many QBs I would say were more aloof than Eli was, but maybe that's just me.
@@DannyG21 Yea, Manning's last name being what it is will probably help him get in. I don't really see him as an HoF QB but I think he will get in eventually.
@Watchingvideoslikeu Production wise, Baker has been better than Kyler all things considered in the NFL. It's very close. For me, Kyler has had a few seasons with injuries, hasn't won a playoff game, and the odd stipulation in his contract. I said the jury was out, but I lean success not failure with Kyler in the NFL. As far as Sam Bradford goes, I mentioned I was biased.
@@theunlikelysuccess When you put it like that I feel you. I feel like 3 franchises willing to let Baker walk has to count for something, but what he's doing in Tampa is amazing
@@Watchingvideoslikeu I don't think we're far off. Kyler is trending toward being labeled a success and even if I said the jury is still out I counted him as a success on the list.
@dmnant2750 I think it's more realistic than people think. He's 18 games over .500 with a 2 -1 TD - INT ratio. Over 9 years, he has had two losing seasons and has 4 years with 4,000 or more yards. His numbers are probably going to at least be HOF worthy. He will likely throw for 300+ TDs and 50,000+ yards.
@@theunlikelysuccess he’s in the Russell Wilson category IMO where they’re both very good QBs, but they lack the hardware necessary to be Hall of Famers (All Pros, MVPs or even votes since Wilson never even got a single vote, and in Goff’s case a SB ring)
@@theunlikelysuccess As a Lions fan, I appreciate Goff. But he's never going to get the accolades he deserves from the press (the people who decide on the HoF) because of the reputation he was given by McVay in LA. He's got good numbers, but outside Detroit, people see him as a scrub. A guy who can't get it done when the lights shine brightest (forgetting that Goff is usually at his best in primetime games and has been to 2 conference championship games and a Super Bowl).
@dukenukembubblegum7311 Luck had more talent than most QB's, but his team left him without living up to his potential and Wilson's career is better than Luck's for that reason.
Jared Goff is not gonna make the hall of fame at his current rate. He’s a system qb to his core who can’t get the job done even with the best talent surrounding him. His career success is defined by those who surrounded him in both detroit and LA. Not to mention the fact that matt stafford came into LA and won a superbowl just like that and he didn’t even need gurley to make it to the big game. I don’t even know who id compare goffs career to simply because he has had every opportunity perfectly fall into his lap and he’s been unable to capitalize on any of it. A career underachiever surrounded by greatness
@red3768 Goff has been a higher end QB in LA and now Detroit. He hasn't won a Super Bowl, but his numbers are very good year after year. Stafford is a great player who was trapped on a bad team but when given a better one proved he could win. In my opinion, Goff has not underachieved by any stretch, and when he got to Detroit, people were not talking about how perfect of a situation it was. All this being said, Goff has crazy stats and he's won games, not every QB is going to win a Super Bowl. I think it's a completely unfair qualifier to expect a Super Bowl or MVP to be considered for the HOF but it's subjective and that's what makes it great. Thanks for the comment and your thoughts!
@awakenthewoke1091 He has averaged 4,200 yards and 25 TD's over 7 full seasons. He is in the MVP race this year and probably should have been last year. If the Lions were to win a Super Bowl or he wins an MVP....it won't seem crazy at all.
@d1jacobhansen987 Could say the same for most. Goff is competent and he can make all the throws. I think the primary problem he has is media narrative. He's pretty good and runs the Detroit offense fully, it's not the same guy I watched with the Rams.
@@theunlikelysuccess sure that applies to an extent but Jared Goff is a qb who can’t win u big games I mean he had the opportunity in the nfc championship but I remember him sailing an open post route that would’ve been the dagger of the game, and I’ll say this teams don’t trade a qb and give up 1st round picks for another qb if they really are legit and especially the way the rams won RIGHT after that’ll always just show how limited Goff is in my opinion
@@d1jacobhansen987 I'm not claiming he's one of the best ever, but they should have won that 49ers game. I thought their defense let them down and Goff played well enough to win. I will say that Goff was not good enough for the Rams to win the Super Bowl in their window, but I still think he could get one. Goff had taken them to a Super Bowl, but there was a changing of their offense and I'm not sure McVay and Goff were getting along all that well but it doesn't help Goff's case that they traded him along with picks to get Stafford.
@@theunlikelysuccess tbh I just think that you can find a qb that can play at his level with the talent that he has around him, but for a much cheaper contract so you can put even more talent around that qb but who knows maybe he gets lucky and wins a big game
@timothyt2981 I don't remember saying they were a 'good' team, but I think they were a decently run organization. They also happened to perfectly time two generational talents at QB.
@isaiahhoward You don't think Allen is in the same conversation as Lamar? I think they are both great quarterbacks, and Allen being passed over for All-Pro in the AFC with Mahomes - Lamar - Burrow the last few years isn't that awful to me. But....I cannot stand the narrative around Lamar and how often he gets overlooked. He's having the career I thought Vick should have had and you won't see a video where I take shots at how good of a QB he has been. Need to see some more playoff wins, but he's already a HOF QB.
"Cultural impact of his career"? The first thing every football fan thinks of when they hear the name Mikey Victor is dog fighting. Cultural impact, indeed, but not in a good way.
@lobotomyscam1051 Today, that's true, but prior to the dog fighting Vick was already a cultural phenomenon. After them though, it's clear what the impact became. My point was/is Vick was once seen as the coolest NFL QB and on track to contend for the face of the NFL. Your point about how he is viewed and what he is remembered for largely though, is valid.
@PattyErskine Vick's career is an all-time destruction and redemption story. He was in the middle of becoming the face of the NFL but made terrible choices. He's also a rare person who has been rehabilitated, or from the outside it appears that way.
@@djereturns11I don't agree with dog fighting at all but tbh it's weird that ppl accept cock fighting not dogs... yes that's our BFs but at the end of the day they are both animals and in reality ita both wrong.
6 Pro Bowls, top 50 receiving yards, but injuries damage his case. His stats could be justified as worthy, and he's been consistent but no All-Pro teams or playoff runs...not sure how they're going to treat some of the great stat guys but a lot of QB's and WR's are going to have high totals that can't really be completely ignored.
@ScarredBert Not sure I follow, I said Eli, Stafford, and Goff are potential HOF QBs. Numbers wise they would be locks with a little more hardware. I am not saying they will for sure get in, just saying they will all have cases. Manning is pretty likely, Stafford has the numbers but that's probably my Rams bias, and if Goff wins an MVP or a Super Bowl his case will be very strong to get in.
@@theunlikelysuccess Eli gets in for sure. Stafford and Goff are in the hall of very good. Stafford needs one more ring, Goff needs at least 2 or several MVPs to get in
@@ScarredBert You think Goff would need several MVPs? I think Goff's entire career narrative changes if he wins even one MVP. It could be though, could be that I have a blind spot for Goff.
@isaiahwilliams2332 I firmly believe in building through the lines, but I would say take best player available at #1. A lot of these QBs were not the best player in their draft class, but I don't think teams should pigeon hole themselves into one position with #1 overall.
Lol @ Michael Vick. We've seen qbs like him over and over and over and over. Fast, quick, cannon arm...not accurate at all and barely reads defenses. Barely went deep in playoffs and no rings.
@jdigitalseven7 You think so? There were other fast QBs but Vick had elite NFL speed. His accuracy was definitely an issue and he has admitted to not taking football seriously when he was in Atlanta. Appreciate the comment!
@@theunlikelysuccess Vick had the "Cunningham disease": In love with their legs, taking off on first sight of pressure, while the pocket passers took home the trophies. It hasnt changed. Never will. The good to great QBs excel with their arms, not their legs (just occasionally taking advantage of the nowadays soft rules, like Mahomes does now and then scrambling here and there). Otoh, Vick, Cunningham, and Steve Young (its forgotten he was a double bust in the USFL and benched in the NFL for Steve DeBerg) became efficient QBs in their later years, after taking full advantage of their passing skills. Its especially a tragedy Vick and Cuningham didnt tried it early on. Too little, too late, they ran out of chances. Those two had all the talent thats needed to become a efficient pro QB. Stop running around, thus reduce sacks too, throw to the open receiver. The formula for NFL success since the 1940s when Sid Luckman hit the scence. Great work on your vid btw 🙂
Here’s the problem when you talk about Mike Vick are you talking about football or are you talking about what kind of a person he is? Don’t mix the two if you wanna make a video about football, make a video about football if you want to talk about what kind of character or morals someone has then do that.
@RHill79 I never mixed these, but you can't talk about Vick's career without talking about his off field issues. My video is about football, and I did not take any stance on character or morals in my opinion.
Nice video, but I have a suggestion. Stop putting clips of “analysts” into your videos. I’m coming to your channel to hear you, if I wanted to hear Skip and Steven A., I’d go to to FOX or ESPN.
@long060 Lol, that's an error on my part. I start with 2000 and should have added that note....otherwise to your point....it seems like I believe the draft started in 2000
@timhall5382 I thought it was relatively clear that the arbitrary cutoff I used was 2000. Peyton was drafted in 98', thus not considered for the video.
@@timhall5382 Yea, somewhere in the comments another person pointed out that I didn't actually say 'since 2000' which was my fault in the script. I noted it on my end to make sure I am more intentional with mentioning specific time periods.
Should NFL teams prioritize taking quarterbacks first overall?
Never. It's a coin toss. The NFL has managed to sensationalize the draft which not one player has ever been drafted who was NFL proven. College proven but if college and NFL were the same JaMarcus Russell would probably just retiring.
What are you talking about buddy boy it’s not even close between Dak or Goff .
Easily GOFF .
GOFF has actually been to the SUPERBowl 🦉 And actually leading teams and just look at the guys win record
Especially if you take out his first season in Detroit,
but that’s part of it so even overall he’s so much better . In my opinion at least.
@@CSDonohue11 My dilemma was the dependence Dallas has had on Dak for the last 5-7 years, especially as Zeke declined.
Goff is more accomplished but he had better coaching and better teams. I am a big Goff fan and think he did as much as he could in LA. Glad to see him succeeding in Detroit, but Dak is a top 10 QB for the last 5 years and that's where Goff lands also.
You base your videos off of how these people perform but a big factor is also how much merchandise do they sell how many tickets do they sell how is their social media? You put a little Kurt Angle reference in there I figured you would understand the business a little more It's Entertainment
@@TravelatorH8r I think merchandise and tickets come with winning also. Brady wasn't flashy and he didn't have some great personality but his jersey sold pretty well.
I follow what you are saying, and for some of the teams they just want entertaining guys, but lining the owners pockets costs a bunch of GM's their jobs if they whiff on a player.
When a team is in the midst of what’s known as a rebuilding phase, I’ve always felt that the key is to rebuild the inside first. I was told a long time ago that if a team has a really good offensive and defensive line, they can beat any other team in the league regardless of how talented everyone else is, and that still holds true to this day. Look at any Super Bowl team (winners or losers) in history and you’ll find that they all had savages in the trenches. If a team has a horrible year and gets the first overall draft pick, if they need a quarterback and there’s a generational talent available, sure go ahead and pick them, but then use the rest of the draft and free agency to rebuild the players doing the dirty work rather than going after receivers or running backs. I actually don’t consider David Carr a bust (at least not in the way we view JaMarcus Russell) because no quarterback would’ve been successful when they have two seconds or less to throw the ball, he had no chance in Houston.
@johnselwitz5362 I agree with you completely on building out the team. One of the recent times where it worked the opposite was with Burrow. Cincy drafted him, then prior to year two spent a bunch of free agent money on his line, but for the most part I think building through the lines is the way to NFL success.
Also, Carr was essentially ruined by the Texans. At least he got paid, cause otherwise it would have been a travesty.
@@theunlikelysuccess Very true, I remember that Burrow was sacked more than any other quarterback in 2021, he had a young and inexperienced offensive line, although that wasn’t entirely the O-line’s fault, Burrow often played hero ball too much rather than checking it down or throwing it away (Bill Parcells once said that sometimes the best play a quarterback can make is simply throwing the ball out of bounds). But even still, the unsung heroes of that 2021 Bengals team were the defensive linemen they acquired in the offseason. Trey Hendrickson, B.J. Hill and Larry Ogunjobi combined for 26.5 of their 42 total sacks that season and improved that defense. It wasn’t an astronomical improvement but it was good enough to make a run to the Super Bowl, those guys were crucial to that team. My favorite example was the Vikings from around 2007 to 2010, they were awesome to watch. Their O-line had absolute units like Matt Birk, Bryant McKinnie, and Steve Hutchinson opening up holes for Adrian Peterson to run through, and then on the other side you had Jared Allen and the Williams Brothers making life miserable for opposing offenses. In 2008, they won a division title with Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson at quarterback, they get Favre the following season and nearly win it all. I think that’s the blueprint that every team that’s rebuilding should use, along with not giving up on a rookie quarterback after one difficult season. If Peyton Manning had been a rookie in today’s NFL and in his first season thrown 28 interceptions along with a completion percentage of less than 60%, he’d get labeled a bust and Colts fans would want to trade him.
@@johnselwitz5362 The Vikings have been a pretty competent organization but the playoffs are their ultimate enemy.
I couldn't agree more on that team, they were the ones with the Love Boat disaster, right?
Also, I think that it gets forgotten how valuable a good offensive line is.When the Patriots offensive line coach, Dante Scarnecchia, moved on they never recovered. You have to have the right guys and the right coaching but it makes all the difference.
Peyton definitely would have been benched and seen as a bust. The lack of patience to develop guys is crazy.
@@theunlikelysuccess Yep, although the Love Boat incident with the Vikings happened a few years prior in 2005, I’ll always believe it was a key factor in Mike Tice getting fired.
I’ve said it before, the worst thing to ever happen to rookie quarterbacks was what happened from 2008 to 2012. Prior to then, a rookie quarterback leading a previously struggling team to the playoffs was unheard of, I know there was Roethlisberger in 2004 but the Steelers already had a solid running game and a dominant defense, and Ben was simply a game manager who was tasked to make an occasional throw and not mess things up. He was more of an exception to the rule, rookie quarterbacks used to be allowed time to settle in, learn the playbook, and even sit on the bench for a little while to be mentored by a veteran. But starting in 2008, you had Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez (kinda), and Andy Dalton all go to subpar teams, and help lead them to the postseason. In 2012, three rookies in one year accomplished that feat: Andrew Luck, RG3, and Russell Wilson, with each guy having rookie of the year caliber seasons. So now people’s mindsets changed and expectations were raised, if a rookie quarterback comes in and struggles to adapt to the NFL, people will automatically say "well this guy got drafted to a bad team and led them to the playoffs his rookie season, why can’t that guy do it?" rather than using some logic and understanding that maybe that team already had a solid foundation and the quarterback was simply the spark to ignite their turnaround (i.e. Russell Wilson with the Seahawks)
@@johnselwitz5362 I think Brady was trying to convey a similar message a few weeks back.
The expectations have become so high that guys can't get through a full rookie deal before people move on.
Wonder what will happen to JJ in Minnesota with Darnold's success.
Mike Vick is one of the most iconic player to ever play sports let alone football, madden 2004 he was unbeatable 🤣
I’m surprised at ur sub count cuz ur videos are very high quality and good ideas. Just gained another sub man W video
@Alex-vy1wm Everything comes with time, welcome to the channel!
O line is criminally underrated. There is a reason Mahomes is killing it. He would be elite either way, but he went to a team that was already on the cusp of dominant and sat for a year to learn.
Andy Reid understands the importance of an O line. Just look at the Eagles. They’ve been consistently top 10 O line for a long time.
@Jackaroo. I wrote a blog post on O line play and how the Chiefs/Lions are winning because of their great lines. Not sure if I ever turn it into a video, since I'm not sure it will get many views.
@@synthlordvr Andy Reid is a firm believer, and had Howard Mudd helping for a while to spot talent.
Jared Goff cannot be called a system QB . He is elite . He’s easily one of the top 5 QBs in the league right now and with the Lions and their offense he will shine for year to come . Not only that but his current record for the year is just insane . He is a legit contender for MVP
@reaperking2121 Got something coming on this exact topic! Appreciate you watching and got several comments that my take that he could be a HoF player was 'wild.'
Goff has looked much better this year than every other year in his career. Detroit has helped him a lot. I don’t think he’s elite. As a niner fan, neither is Purdy. The elite category is only for a select few. Elite QBs can carry the team to the playoffs in spite of their surroundings. Purdy’s close, but not there yet. Goff has never been there. However I’m rethinking his performance this year could get him close to the elite club. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the season. I love mind-changing seasons, especially when the player is playing better than I expected.
@@StuartScott-ng4ir I think Purdy is a younger Goff from a performance perspective. A little more athleticism and a little less accuracy but similarly benefitting from a talented team. This season is proving Purdy isn't a superstar but that he is an above average NFL QB.
I think Goff has been rewriting the narrative around him and this year could be the full 180 by most media members on who/what he is.
@@theunlikelysuccessI don’t want to hear “it’s his team around him” nonsense. Jimmy G is what those comments are for. Everyone wants to poop on Purdy cause Jimmy G was able to get to the Super Bowl and 2 NFC championships. People need to watch more film on Purdy, not just Highlights and lowlights.
Goff STILL struggles against the blitz/pressure. His A+ Oline keeps this weakness hidden. He’s not great under pressure… and that is his Achilles heel. It’s why LA traded him away for Stafford in the first place.
@@StuartScott-ng4ir I think Purdy is better than Jimmy G, but he's not elite. I watched quite a bit of him at Iowa State, since I'm a fan of theirs.
It's fair to challenge Purdy, since without all the talent they are currently sitting at 4-4 with him at the helm. I get what you are saying, but Purdy is far from perfect. Sure it looks good when Deebo/Aiyuk/Kittle/CMC and their defense are humming but he's not making everyone else better.
Goff also has weaknesses but he's ahead of where Purdy is at the current moment in my opinion. Purdy was bailed out in the NFC championship against the Packers and Lions both, and he isn't exactly lighting it up this season. 10 TDs and 7 INTs is a regression year over year and it's due to the injuries, but let's not pretend Purdy is above Goff in what they have put on film.
David Carr (Couch too) isn’t even the worst QB in his own draft class. And always gets talked about as one of the biggest busts ever.
@jpmnky I think it's a problem with the expectations. They're unrealistic in my opinion and these guys have to fix bad teams and become HOF players to get credit.
@@theunlikelysuccess David Carr and Tim Couch got the bad end of the deal due to their teams being brand new. even though the Browns werent technically "new" they still had to start from 0
@@ernestogastelum9123 They got terrible deals joining those teams. Only a handful of QBs ever would have been able to will the Browns or Texans to eventual success.
The reason why the Eagles have stayed fairly consistent with their success over so many years is Howie Roseman ensures their offensive line is solid. Rebuilding teams should take note. Build up your trenches first.
@synthlordvr I have made the case several times to friends that Lane Johnson completely changes the Eagles play. Kelce was also great and he rarely missed games, but when both were on the field the Eagles were golden.
@ 💯 Lane will be difficult to replace. Kelce, impossible. He may be the GOAT at Center. Great video. Keep em coming!
@@synthlordvr 🙏🙏
Eli and Big Ben threw two of the best passes I’ve ever seen
Expansion teams taking QBs #1 feels like setting them up for failure
@tannermctanner3210 Expansion teams should build out infrastructure rather than try to get a QB.
Regardless, they still need a QB. Whoever that is is gonna look bad no matter what.
Vick had all of that success while relying on his talent alone and wasnt a student of the game until he joined the Eagles. Of he would have studied the game and actually studied film he could have been so so much better. As a Panthers fan I hated playing the Falcons and Vick.
@scottiebuchanan2102 Vick's talent is truly crazy. He was the AI of the NFL. If he studied film and stayed out of trouble off the field....it would have been an all time career.
Vick is withouta doubt A Legend thats no question or debate 💯
I’m so glad to see this Alex Smith love! He’s so underrated because of what he was able to do despite never getting a legit chance. He never reached his ceiling. But regardless I believe Arod would still be the better QB in the draft class.
@sizzlefrizzle6829 Alex Smith's career plays out differently if he isn't drafted first overall. I think he becomes a great quarterback if he was setup and developed properly. He became pretty good and had to basically waste the first 3 - 4 years with where that team was at.
Stafford not having a winning record wasn't his fault. The Lions wouldn't even have a bunch of those wins if he wasn't so damn clutch and keep leading game winning drives with Johnson as his receiver. He never had a great line. Never had a running game. Never had a proper defense. Never had a full roster of receivers. And they STILL made the playoffs a couple times with one of the least talented rosters I'd ever seen in a decade's worth of football. As a Packers fan, I couldn't help but think that Stafford and the Lions fans deserved way better than that horrible management team and woeful coaching. I'm happy he was a big part of the Rams getting another ring. He deserves it.
@KuroiRenge Absolutely agree. Stafford played well for Detroit nearly every year and carried some pretty bad teams. I'm a Rams fan, but Stafford was also a player I think most supported when he won.
I think his high interception rate even in Los Angeles during their superbowl year even though they had the best player in football Aaron Donald, a top 3 corner that year in Jalen Ramsey, the OPOY Cooper Kupp, Obj, and a stellar coach in Mcvay and he still led the league or was around the league leader in interceptions in and of itself show that a lot of those loses in Detroit were also Staffords fault because even with a super team around him he still wasn’t a dominant player, and he was a very high turnover prone player to the point where if they don’t have a dominant corner or a triple crown winner at wideout, they likely don’t win a superbowl and as we see years since the Super Bowl he hasn’t even been demonstrably better than the QB he has replaced in Jared Goff
Best QB breakdown I’ve ever seen ! U raised some great questions ! Manning or Rivers ? I didn’t flinch ……… Rivers all day long ! Well done sir !
@christianpoint0888 Appreciate you sir! I also tend to lean Rivers.
@@theunlikelysuccess Rivers always reminded me of Marino ! Prototypical FU I want to win gunslinger ! Tremendous upside ! Manning ? Yawn ……. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@christianpoint0888 I think Rivers had more talent as a QB as well. He did have an odd throwing motion but it was effective.
Manning was a solid QB but there wasn't a point where I thought he was a top 5 QB over his career.
Not sure I'll call it a yawn, but the fact that you did gave me a good laugh. 🤣😆
@@theunlikelysuccess your angle & how u broke down the different situations was very engaging ! Outeffingstanding !
@@theunlikelysuccess I used to envision Geoff and Stafford passing each other at the airport in Stafford giggling while Geoff was giving him the bird ! 😂😂😂😂
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VICK IS A LEGEND!
If you at any point watched the matt stafford lions, you would know that he is and always has been a winner. I maintain he was the best nfc north qb for atleast 5 years. Sincerely a vikings fan
@timothyt2981 Detroit might have been the worst run franchise of the last 30 years, but the competition is tough. Cleveland is no easy out.
For real. Man has been amazing both on and off the field for a long time
@@theunlikelysuccessWhat Detroit has done in the last 3 years puts them ahead of the Browns, Jaguars etc.
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754 Absolutely. I am talking before last year, but fair.
Amazing content lengthy with a lot detail keep up the good work
Thanks, wasn't sure if it was going to be too long of a video honestly.
I don’t think Rivers would have the rings that Eli had if they never switched teams. The playoffs are just a different monster. Eli had it, and Rivers didn’t in the playoffs, despite Rivers having much superior numbers. They also have similar levels of supporting talent, with Rivers arguably having much better offensive weapons, in particular LT, Gates, and Keenan Allen
@SpittUp I have always thought Rivers was a step above Eli but the playoffs were a different story. Eli was calm when the game was on the line, but he wasn't all of a sudden an MVP. They aren't top tier all time QBs but both had pretty good careers.
@@theunlikelysuccessEli also had stud defenses carry him to the playoffs. And Eli can thank Kyle Williams for the 2011 ring for booting a couple of fumbles on special teams in the NFC championship game.
@@StuartScott-ng4ir He benefitted but I can't knock how he played during the runs. He would magically stop turning the ball over during those two runs and play complimentary football.
@@theunlikelysuccesshe didn’t play great in the 2007 Super Bowl and the 2011 NFC championship game. I think he got lucky. He was a decent QB. But HOF? No. In post Ravens SB era (cause the league changed after that one), Eli manning has THE MOST INTs in the NFL. The Most!!
Thanks for your words about Lawrence.
@redefined_dk7297 I still think he has a shot at being good. My opinion is that the right coach coming in to Jacksonville next can turn him into a star...but he has not looked like one.
Big Ben was the most decorated QB of his class 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@retahdude I lean Big Ben for that reason, but he walked into such a good situation. It's an all-time great QB class for sure.
Vick never being over 3000 yards until 2010 is crazy still had one of the prettiest deep balls in history definitely one of the best leftys imo other than steve young
@louisesmith8337 Kind of broke my brain when I looked back at the stat.
It actually depend on who the qb is and who else is available in round 1. Now if its a payton manning, Elway, burrow i would draft them. But i always believed that most successful teams drafted qb after the team is built. So if there is someone im in love with and have a plan for than i would trade back and stockpile picks. But it also has to do with the organization and their patience. So the question is would i draft a qb number overall. Depends on who it is and my belief is if he is going to be a perennial pro bowler. After i drafted the qb though i would develop him by getting a veteran over him so he can do what kc did with mahomes. Development is just as important as talent.
@thomascox9362 Completely agree. I think teams have gotten obsessed with QB first overall rather than who is the most talented. It's largely due to many of the trade ups, but still I think they should go after who the true best player is.
Going too 16 would suck. Being a qb for certain teams is a death sentence
@theblazindragon420 For sure. There are some organizations that need to transition the management before success can happen, regardless of players.
Really awesome video.
@bigpapapaycheck Thanks!
Drafting quarterbacks first overall doesn’t mean what it used to. Because of the importance of the position with the rule changes simply having Tua’s ceiling is enough for you to go 1 overall if he’s the best on the board.
Quarterbacks are the most important position but I still believe in taking the best value over drafting AR15 Zach Wilson Trey Lance BY and these other quarterbacks with no business going in the top 5.
You can’t ever call guys like David Carr a bust; no one was succeeding in Houston; especially with no line and being a brand new team
@ParamoreFAV3 Those early Texans were REALLY bad teams.
The 1st rounders seem to be more hits than others because they simply get more chances. Take for example the Eli Manning rookie campaign. He was on the field because the franchise invested in him. The better (way more efficient) option was to warm the bench. If Manning was a 3rd rounder, he would have never stepped onto an NFL field again after his 4th start...
On the other hand you have tons of low rounders never given a chance. For Kurt Warner to become a superstar, he needed the NFL Europe (same is true for Kitna, Brad Johnson), an injury to the starter, and great confidence by Vermeil to not end up as a "camp arm". Brady got lucky one HC saw something in him plus another major injury to the starter was needed. Many stars must align for those guys to get practise reps, experience, then stardom and efficiency.
Otoh, you have crazy busts like Mirer, Marinovich, Russell, etc, etc, etc... Additionally, nowadays you have to overpay the "generational" talent once the rookie contract is done (some really dumb franchises even overpay/extend/re-new before the deadline is due).
So hell no, NEVER EVER draft that shiny new "generational" QB. Its not worth the risk. Numbers back it up: Other than Mahomes, those "golden boys" dont win more SBs (pro-rated over the length of being the starting QB) than any random NFL QB.
@FoxxyBrown1111 I think there is much more to the argument though. Collectively there are 58 Super Bowl winners. Brady - Montana - Aikman - Bradshaw - Mahomes won 21 of them, so that leaves 37.
If Brady went to the Browns in 00' his career never happens. He's said as much. I think fit is way more important than ever gets discussed but I also think we have to stop considering guys who don't win a Super Bowl as failures.
A lot of your points are valid, but my only pushback is that a lot of these guys did the best they could with what they were given. The expectations are so high though, that if they didn't win a Super Bowl or MVP they were always going to underperform.
@@theunlikelysuccess Great points. Thanks for your reply. I didnt mean you was wrong in any way.
Its just so-called "franchise" QB need lots of luck (or the lack of) to be either considerd a bust or a "superstar". Its a small, fine line. The ultimative team sport needs everything to "click" to prevail. Just picking a "generational" QB in the 1st round aint cut the deal.
I´ve seen them QBs come and go. Some got chances (the mentioned 1st rounders), but also tons of talents who got dished out... Look no further than Joe Milton in NE. Pre determined by "scouts" as a low rounder, he never will get his chance, yet he is the greatest talent at QB I´ve ever seen (being involved in football since 1985). Once you are labeled, yo are labeled, your future is set. For the good, or the bad.
@@FoxxyBrown1111 I did not take it that way, and didn't mean for it to come off like that if it did.
You raised very valid points. And I also think a lot of guys can succeed in the right spots. Unfortunately media narratives can overhype a guy or they can push one out of consideration.
Happens across all positions but it's glaring at QB. I think it's why Brady gets so much love, he's one of a very very few players who broke through at QB. Same with Warner, most like you said, will carry a label and never even get a real shot at being a starter.
I always just hope for lower draft picks they can make a few rosters and save some of the money. Cause they earned it.
Michael vick is a great example of turning your life around and making the most of it. And I'm an Atlanta hater
@KrakenKNG I was just talking about this earlier today to someone. Vick is a true redemption story, served his time, came out and never made excuses that I remember.
Take the number 1 pick and TRADE it for a massive haul. That is my thought on this topic.
@jjirish2 Always been what I thought, unless you're a QB away or there is a clear 'can't miss' guy.
@@theunlikelysuccess how many 'can't miss guys' end up being a burst? It's the Jimmy Johnson move to build up draft picks when possible.
@@jjirish2I think the label gets thrown out on way too many guys, but I get your point.
Jimmy Johnson has an argument as the best talent evaluator ever, even if it was a pretty short run.
JaMarcus Russell was guaranteed to be a bust. What the Raiders were thinking when drafting Russell made no sense.
Hope Lane Kiffen got his full compensation.
@johnmassoud930 I am sure Lane got his money lol and you are right about the Raiders....it's not like the next two guys were HOF players.....
@@theunlikelysuccess one was Calvin Johnson. Who was selected after CJ?
@@johnmassoud930 Joe Thomas. They could have had either....
Vick is an absolute legend imo
Interesting choice to put a clip of Andrew Luck over the words “a few have been the very best of their class by a wide margin”
@geoffreyporter7567 I think his was on his way, but I also was waiting for someone to call me out on it a bit. Russ and Kirk have been awesome, I wonder if that class could have been all time great if RGIII and Luck's careers playout different.
@@theunlikelysuccess NGL, I think about that a lot too. If RG3 had played up to his potential over a more sustained period, and Luck’s injuries had been managed remotely competently, we could realistically have had a solid 3 or maybe even 4 HoF QBs out of that class. Hell, it says a lot that, even with things playing out the way that they did, that there are still two 3rd and 4th round guys in the league today that have a decent chance to end up in the HoF discussion when they retire.
@@geoffreyporter7567 I think Kirk will have a tough time putting together an HoF case but I get your point fully.
To me, that 2012 class could have been better than the 04' class if Washington took care of RG3 and Indy didn't ruin their franchise QBe because as you pointed out they still have two guys playing at starting levels 12 years later.
Late to the party, but if JG helps get the Lions their first Lombardi that man is getting a damn statue in Detroit on top of a bust in canton. (I’m only slightly more than biased as a pre-Stafford Lions fan)
@scotthealy3206 I think the Rams - Lions trade for Stafford will go down as THE most win-win trade of all time. Both teams got better, one already got a Super Bowl and the other is contending for one for the first time basically ever. I saw until this year, the Lions had NEVER been favored to win the Super Bowl and it blew my mind.
I'm a Rams fan, but I would not be mad if the Lions got themselves a ring. Easy team to root for in the current iteration.
I think another good video would be instead of first overall, but 1st qb drafted, guys like Joey Harrington would make that good 😆
@dukenukembubblegum7311 There are a few things I am cooking up over the next few months and looking into some of the guys who went to bad situations is on the list. I cannot confirm or deny if Harrington is on a list somewhere around my setup.
How does Matt Stafford only have two pro bowl?!?!
That’s wild Stafford is so underrated
I always said Derick and Matt Stafford were underrated on bad teams doing good
Stafford had some other great players, but the whole team was slack and he didn’t ever have a good defense but one season the one season he actually had a running back. They went five and oh with the running back they went undefeated good job Javad best actually played.
But best only knew how to fall on his head when being tackled
So Stafford only had a top five defense one time and only one running back could’ve been great but couldn’t stay on the field
And then his next best was an old Reggie Bush, and they still made the playoffs with Reggie Bush is the running back
Stafford would be all-time great in the right situation still definitely not manning or Brady but he’d be right up there in the next year with the all-time great and I feel he already is
And then Carr was starting to prove it again this year and then gets injured
@CSDonohue11 Stafford had elite skills but a bad organization can't be fixed by a talented QB. You're right that they did him a disservice and his career would have been much better with about 20 or so other teams.
I dont think stafford should be HOF, but for damn sure he was a very good QB. He was clutch as hell, just had a terrible team most of the time. Him and megatron were the best to watch
@devinmanchester4896 I am hoping he gets in, but it's not the strongest of cases.
People only remember Eli badly because of picks but failed to mentions he’s the only qb who won with a bottom 5 o line twice. He’s top 15 all time because he’s one of 5 players with two sb mvps. Eli was elite he’s top 10 in game winning drives. Clark was straight up lying. That boy put fear in players in the 4th quarter. 7 road playoff wins. In 20 years they gonna be be meat riding his career, or Josh Allen will get the same treatment or if Dak is able to win a ring.
@NasirLawson-si5pu I definitely disagree with Clark on how he views Eli, but he also was never a top 5 QB in a season he played in. I think he had two amazing playoff runs and was between the 8th and 15th best QB for most years he played. His longevity and clutch moments combine with his last name and probably make him an HOFer and once he's in, that's all that matters.
@@theunlikelysuccess he easily was top 5 from 07-12. Phillip rivers was never better than Eli. Remember Eli never had an o line. Out of all top 20 qbs of all time Eli had the worst teams, except Dan Marino. Won with the worst o line and run game. And set records throwing for 6200 yards in total over the season and playoffs. I think people remember the picks more than they should, he eventually lowered them but the defense was bad so it didn’t matter then. As a jets fan, Eli is 11 or 12 greatest all time but only top 30-50 talent/ best.
@TradingPantheonNasirTrades Never top 5
Mike Vick is my favorite player of all time.
Cam’s career was defined by him not jumping on that fumble in Super Bowl regardless of his success and accolades throughout his career maybe if dove on the ball it may have changed other outcomes or he could have suffered a career altering injury and he’d be a what if like RG3 regardless he definitely was deserving of the 1st pick and had success
@Booney1286 Cam not diving on that football was very damaging.
@@theunlikelysuccess it’s his most memorable highlight which is wild I couldn’t imagine being a Panthers fan and watching that Super Bowl and watching your star QB essentially give up on a play
@@Booney1286 It's a truly unfortunate way to remember his career. He was a different kind of QB. If he had developed his passing to a higher degree he was the template for who Josh Allen is now, but not diving will be his legacy sadly.
RG3 stole Lucks OROY… Luck deserved it far more. He would’ve been a HOF QB if the colts would’ve put the pieces around him. Maybe even one of the greatest QBs ever. Yall remember that AFC championship game against the Chiefs?… We missed out on a great.
@friendsofthedead2742 IDK if I can say RGIII stole it, RGIII had a great season his rookie year. It doesn't take away from Luck, sometimes another guy has an awesome year also.
As for what happened with Luck's career, I completely agree that he would have likely been headed toward a gold jacket, assuming the Colts pulled their heads out of their you know whats.
@ I’m not trying to take away from RG3s year, he did have an incredible one. I just feel that Luck did even more than RG3 in that year.
And yeah, it really hurt watching his career unfold since I’m a colts fan (so also slightly biased on the first point)
@@friendsofthedead2742 Ah, I follow. I think it was a pretty close year. A lot of times it feels like either one guy runs away with it or your picking amongst a bunch of meh types of years.
RGIII and Luck came in and delivered immediately.
Colts have been punished by the football Gods the ever since Luck left. They did not do right by that guy. I'm a Rams fan, but Luck was too talented to have his career play out the way it did.
Vick is the most talented QB ever drafted? I'm no Denver fan, but I still think John Elway was the first "generational talent" QB and still above all others coming out of college. It's all opinion, though.
@juddvance8104 I see him as the most talented athletically, but Elway was the first generational talent.
I live in Tennessee and been a Broncos fan since 1984. I believe John Elway is the best quarterback of all time. Tom Brady number 2. 😊
@@ceocartel2120Elway isn't even top 5 all-time. The guy shit the bed in 3 Super Bowls! Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Marino, Favre, Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes... all better than Elway. And don't even get me started on his abysmal GM skills! Maybe top 10... maybe.
@gregorysextro1730 I'm guessing you are not a denver Broncos fan. I'll take Elway as a quarterback over any of those guys you just mentioned. Yes, he is 2-3 in superbowls. But in the 4th quarterback with the game on the line, there is no one better than him. Ask the Cleveland Browns about the drive in 89.
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I don't think Stafford makes the hall of fame but not because he doesn't deserve it but because narrative and win/loss record is what QBs are judged for these days. Being loyal to the Lions cost him a gold jacket. No body paid attention to the lions until the trade so nobody outside of Detroit knows he had Joe Lombardi, Scott Lienhan, an in over his head Jim Bob Cooter, Derell Bevell for a second until Matt Patrica thought he could do a better job calling plays for him. That they drafted more pro bowl players in the last 4 years than the entire 12 years that Stafford was there. That the offense under Caldwell was so old school they didn't have 4 WR on the roster. That Patrica gutted the defense and handicapped the offense. That Goff had had more 100 yard rushers in 4 years than Stafford had in 12 years in Detroit. That they refused to trade Megatron and forced him to retire rather than making their team better. All they see is a QB with a losing record so he must have been the problem. I thought that the Superbowl run would have been enough but Cooper got all the credit and the injury filled next season erased all the momentum.
@zeromega4541 Hopefully he ends up in the HOF. If the vantage point is that the HOF should include players you cannot tell the story of the NFL without then I would say he is very deserving. His toughness is absolutely legendary, not to mention his loyalty.
Everything you said is true, and I forgot all about the Jim Bob Cooter experience. Man, they did MegaTron and Stafford dirty during all those years.
@@theunlikelysuccess It's tough being a Stafford fan especially back in the day. He put up video game numbers and everyone just gives the credit to the era. Because nobody knew how bad these OC guys were in Detroit until they screwed up some other franchise. Nobody knew how bad Scott Lienhan was at his job until he went to Dallas and the cowboys fans were calling for his head every week for mismanaging the offense. Nobody knew how bad Joe Lombardi was until he shat the bed with the chargers due to complete incompetence. No body knew that Matt Patrica took play calling duties away from Bevell as soon as he felt a bit of heat and proceeded to throw screen passes for the next 2 years until we went back to New England and threw a bunch of screen passes. They just pass off as it's a passing era or he had Megatron. He did have Megatron but what he didn't have was the option to the run a foreign concept like a bunch formation because the lions never had a 4th WR on the roster while he was in Detroit. Don't get me started on the Odell Beckham mistake. There biggest need was at WR in the 2014 draft in a stacked WR draft and they took a tight end. The next 2 WR off the board were Brandin Cooks and Odell Beckham Jr. Nope the lions would rather draft a TE and promote a guy off the practice squad. I need to watch the new lions. I'm getting the old feelings back.
@zeromega4541 Those days are behind you. As a Rams fan, I'd like to say you're welcome for the real game changer for the Lions, Brad Holmes. He is an awesome GM. Lions have been hitting on so many picks since he got there. It's nice to see Detroit relevant. Plus, as you have outlined their history is laughably bad. Well, maybe tragically from your end.
I think Andrew wouldn't surpass Mahomes or Brady, they both destroyed the Colts, and tbh that last loss to Mahomes demoralized him, because after years of being beaten by Brady, here comes Mahomes and later Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. And I think with those guys, his Superbowl aspiration, ambition and hope would be dashed by any of them.
@ftwsam2246 I think Andrew would have needed to find a great coach to beat KC. Not sure if that would have happened and he probably would have kept them too good to pick at the top end of any drafts. Indy did not do him a lot of favors in his time there.
Luck was heavily underpaid. He made a lackluster Colts team with no o-line and no run game look so good.
@jdigitalseven7 The Colts literally broke Luck. It was a shame.
@@theunlikelysuccess Yeah, Luck literally was forced to retire due to injuries. Everyone was surprised when he stepped down, but he honestly didn't have much of a choice.
@@powerofk They literally broke one of the most talented quarterbacks ever.
Alex Smith was much better than given credit for.
@snarkymcsnarkles3493 Yea, he isn't a Hall of Famer but he was definitely a very good quarterback. And, it seems like he's a great guy based on what I could find.
Never draft a quarterback 1st overall. Caveat is if there is a “Peyton Manning” available. In the last 40 years. There are have only been 4 quarterbacks taken 1st overall that has one a super bowl (Aikman, Peyton, Eli, Stafford). Staffed of course had to leave his original team to go win on another team.
Kirk Cousins wants to know if you like that.
@christophergravelle9536 Kirk is one of the best businessmen ever in the NFL!!!
2004 top QB's-
How great is Rivers really when you have Tomlinson, Gates, Vincent Jackson, etc. often a great D and a great line, and never make the superbowl? Eli would have put up Peyton #'s on the Chargers, and Rivers could have been Daniel Jones on the Giants. As for Big Ben it is tough to tell where the Steelers system leaves off and Big Ben begins, but I also don't remember them winning as much with Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, etc as they did with Big Ben either...
@kpk33x I have always thought Rivers was top tier, but you're not wrong about the talent. I always thought Eli was a step below, but it's fair to say he had less talent on offense. I think the Giants defenses were better than the Chargers though.
For Big Ben, I think his off field stuff overshadows how good he was on it. He also had a lot of talent over the years, but he was always pretty good.
Anyway you look at the three, it's one of the best QB draft classes ever.
@@theunlikelysuccess it depends on the year with the D. I would say '05-07 the D was great. Then it was not. Especially in '11...the running game was last until December, D and O-line was bottom 5. Eli dragged that team into the playoffs then the D woke up. The Chargers varied on D but usually were guaranteed to have a top half o-line for him along with the offensive stars.
But then the Chargers must Charger and find weird and new ways to miss the playoffs or grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.
Steeler fan here. Ben immediately coming into a team that wasn’t so terrible (in 2003 they finished 6-10, not great but not the abyss either) was helpful but make no mistake: He made plays and won games and titles because of his arm and legs. I mean 2004 his rookie year was so special seeing the running and amount of late game heroics. All Kordell and Maddox was were game managers. Ben was a real QB.
Ben was a difference maker.
Stafford’s losing career record with only 4 total playoff wins and 2 pro bowl selections isn’t a HOF resume.
He’s a hall of fame talent in the best of situations but not on the level of the other greats who would be hall of famers regardless of their situation.
@chicagodude8888 Agree, he's a tier below the guys who could overcome any situation ever, but he's got HOF talent. Problem is, his situation hurt his chances of making it. I openly admit my bias towards Rams players, and I think that's where I stretch his case a bit.
@@theunlikelysuccess I see him as similar to Rivers Big Ben and Matt Ryan. All HOF very good quarterbacks with who’d have the resume if all were drafted by the Steelers in that 04 draft riding that defense.
Stafford’s been snubbed twice for pro bowls tossing 41 td passes and 5k yards in 2011 and 2021 so he has some impressive single season performances but falls short of the criteria.
@@chicagodude8888 Yea, it's unfortunate but you're right. Big Ben and Ryan probably get in whereas Rivers and Stafford won't just due to awards/playoff success.
Stafford is not the first or last guy this will happen to.
@@theunlikelysuccess Carson Palmer also comes to mind but injuries also played a role in his disappointing career. We’ve seen him at his best in 2005 qdn 2015. He had the ability.
@@chicagodude8888 We agree there, Palmer was a guy who showed the skills but injuries/organization derailed his career. He also had that weird period with the Raiders that lost him a few years.
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@Yungbrose For sure!
As a Giants fan, Rivers and Roethlisberger were better QBs.
@SimeonToko I do wonder if Rivers could have been as clutch as Eli was in the playoff runs. Hard to know though.
Thanks
So you're not doing all the 1st overall selections but only so far back because Peyton Manning was a constant MVP. Might want to clarify how far back you're going
@shinglesshingles It's my bad that I didn't say since 2000, but I do note that is 18 of the last 24 picks first overall picks. Manning would have actually helped my point in the video, not hurt it, just for clarity.
@theunlikelysuccess yea I got that part not saying it would've hurt. It was just killing me to hear you keep talking about #1 picks and I'm thinking of all the QBs u were missing. I caught on quickly that it was since 2000 just would've liked that disclaimer
@@shinglesshingles Yea, I had at least one other comment saying the same thing about mentioning it. It was oversight on my part when I put together the script.
Living and learning my friend, living and learning.
skip glazing baker is what I miss the most about sports media right now
@alexallen694 Skip had a few years where he was truly entertaining and it was because he was a very high level troll
3 weeks later and maybe Jameis never wrote back
@BaileyFunk-x2u Fair enough.
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Jared Goff has proven McVay wrong and right. Right because he was indeed a number 1 overall pick.
@BrutusMcCrunch McVay was right on Goff at the time they traded him, and I think the Rams miss their Super Bowl window without making the trade, but Jared has also become better than they expected. It's a very rare win win trade for both sides.
Goff is elite argue with a wall
@joeyabraham6330 People in the comments have said different, and I didn't think it was that hot of a take to say he could get into the HOF.
of course he’s elite he’s a starter on an NFL team. But the question is how elite. He’s not in the top 5 for nfl qbs still playing. Hell you’d have to argue to place him in the top 15. And the trade for stafford is always gonna hang over his head and define his career. He would need a super bowl win or an mvp at this point in his career to make the hall of fame. But with the chiefs dynasty that’s gonna be damn near impossible for him
TL is a damn good qb but the jaguars OC should be fired and we need a better offense coordinator that can to better plays
@LT_Trex3234 I still think Lawrence will be a pretty good QB. His biggest obstacle is that the scouts and media called him generational, so anything short of a few MVP's and Super Bowl will not change their narrative.
@@theunlikelysuccess fair point
Damn cam newtown is the only number 1 pick to ever win mvp sheesh
@EddieSantosusso Only #1 pick since 2000 to win one. There have been others, but not all that many.
Goff is much better than you people say..
@daviidtaplin1115 I feel like this too. Goff has certain limitations, but he has definitely become a very good QB. The questions from his early days never seemed to go away though.
You’re missing a stat about Vic, but I would like. How many dogs did he kill?
I don't think he personally killed any; are you one of those weirdo Dog Lovers?
Teams draft quarterbacks for the sake of it. Once upon a time Eli Rivers and Big Ben went 1 4 and 10. If that draft happened today Rivers would be a Charger Eli would be a Cardinal and Big Ben would be a Raider. JP Lossman goes in the top 10.
This is why busts are dime of dozen.
@chicagodude8888 I shuddered at JP Lossman being a top 10 pick. EJ Manual may have gone top 3 with the way QBs are treated now.
Dude. You need to work on your cadence.
You have a consistent rhythm of “dah-dah-dah-daaah…. dah-dah-dah-daaaah.”
Listen to some more established creators for the cadence of their videos. Improving your speaking rhythm will make your videos come across as more professional.
You should also get a script editor. There are a lot of grammatically odd sentences that compound your extant rhythmic issues.
This is one of your weaker videos, but it’s still good content at the core.
@dylanjwagner Thanks for the constructive feedback. Hard to find these days on the internet.
This was my first stab at a video this length, but will keep working at improving for sure.
Eli led the league in ints 4 years..that's not what greats do
@DannyG21 Eli was built different overall. He had two of all-time postseason runs though, and it makes him memorable.
@theunlikelysuccess what do u mean built different? Elaborate...
@@theunlikelysuccess you heard of Jim plunkett? Won 2 sbs in the 70s for the raiders...is he in the hof?..nope. One thing I do know. He never led the league in ints.
@@DannyG21 Eli was a guy who seemed oblivious to his surroundings. I know 'next play mentality' is preached everywhere but Eli really seemed to forget every play/game after it happened. To me that was his special skill....but also a major flaw.
That's what I mean, I'm not sure there have been many QBs I would say were more aloof than Eli was, but maybe that's just me.
@@DannyG21 Yea, Manning's last name being what it is will probably help him get in. I don't really see him as an HoF QB but I think he will get in eventually.
No way you can call Baker and Sam Bradford successful but say the jury is still out on Kyler Murray
@Watchingvideoslikeu Production wise, Baker has been better than Kyler all things considered in the NFL. It's very close. For me, Kyler has had a few seasons with injuries, hasn't won a playoff game, and the odd stipulation in his contract. I said the jury was out, but I lean success not failure with Kyler in the NFL.
As far as Sam Bradford goes, I mentioned I was biased.
@@theunlikelysuccess When you put it like that I feel you. I feel like 3 franchises willing to let Baker walk has to count for something, but what he's doing in Tampa is amazing
@@Watchingvideoslikeu I don't think we're far off. Kyler is trending toward being labeled a success and even if I said the jury is still out I counted him as a success on the list.
Jared Goff in the HOF is a crazy take
@dmnant2750 I think it's more realistic than people think. He's 18 games over .500 with a 2 -1 TD - INT ratio. Over 9 years, he has had two losing seasons and has 4 years with 4,000 or more yards.
His numbers are probably going to at least be HOF worthy. He will likely throw for 300+ TDs and 50,000+ yards.
@@theunlikelysuccesshe has to win a championship to even be considered
@@matthewl3002 You think so? I think that will help, but it's going to be interesting how they view these guys with great numbers post-2000.
@@theunlikelysuccess he’s in the Russell Wilson category IMO where they’re both very good QBs, but they lack the hardware necessary to be Hall of Famers (All Pros, MVPs or even votes since Wilson never even got a single vote, and in Goff’s case a SB ring)
@@theunlikelysuccess As a Lions fan, I appreciate Goff. But he's never going to get the accolades he deserves from the press (the people who decide on the HoF) because of the reputation he was given by McVay in LA. He's got good numbers, but outside Detroit, people see him as a scrub. A guy who can't get it done when the lights shine brightest (forgetting that Goff is usually at his best in primetime games and has been to 2 conference championship games and a Super Bowl).
Stafford goes to different team, wins Superbowl. He is good, was on a crap team
@Waynefitzpatrick2032 Agree completely, the Lions were poorly run for 30 years.
I watched a full video about how the colts fucked lucks career by constantly saving money instead of giving him help. He’s way better then wilson
@dukenukembubblegum7311 Luck had more talent than most QB's, but his team left him without living up to his potential and Wilson's career is better than Luck's for that reason.
Jared Goff is not gonna make the hall of fame at his current rate. He’s a system qb to his core who can’t get the job done even with the best talent surrounding him. His career success is defined by those who surrounded him in both detroit and LA. Not to mention the fact that matt stafford came into LA and won a superbowl just like that and he didn’t even need gurley to make it to the big game. I don’t even know who id compare goffs career to simply because he has had every opportunity perfectly fall into his lap and he’s been unable to capitalize on any of it. A career underachiever surrounded by greatness
@red3768 Goff has been a higher end QB in LA and now Detroit. He hasn't won a Super Bowl, but his numbers are very good year after year. Stafford is a great player who was trapped on a bad team but when given a better one proved he could win. In my opinion, Goff has not underachieved by any stretch, and when he got to Detroit, people were not talking about how perfect of a situation it was.
All this being said, Goff has crazy stats and he's won games, not every QB is going to win a Super Bowl. I think it's a completely unfair qualifier to expect a Super Bowl or MVP to be considered for the HOF but it's subjective and that's what makes it great. Thanks for the comment and your thoughts!
Is Eli of that draft he beat the goat twice
Did you just say Jared Goff and Hallf of Fame?? That's quite the reach isn't it?
@awakenthewoke1091 He has averaged 4,200 yards and 25 TD's over 7 full seasons. He is in the MVP race this year and probably should have been last year.
If the Lions were to win a Super Bowl or he wins an MVP....it won't seem crazy at all.
Jared Goff is carried by great talent and great coaching
@d1jacobhansen987 Could say the same for most. Goff is competent and he can make all the throws. I think the primary problem he has is media narrative. He's pretty good and runs the Detroit offense fully, it's not the same guy I watched with the Rams.
@@theunlikelysuccess sure that applies to an extent but Jared Goff is a qb who can’t win u big games I mean he had the opportunity in the nfc championship but I remember him sailing an open post route that would’ve been the dagger of the game, and I’ll say this teams don’t trade a qb and give up 1st round picks for another qb if they really are legit and especially the way the rams won RIGHT after that’ll always just show how limited Goff is in my opinion
@@theunlikelysuccess I think qbs like him and Dak are complete products of their system and sure their ok qbs but not worth their contract at all.
@@d1jacobhansen987 I'm not claiming he's one of the best ever, but they should have won that 49ers game. I thought their defense let them down and Goff played well enough to win.
I will say that Goff was not good enough for the Rams to win the Super Bowl in their window, but I still think he could get one.
Goff had taken them to a Super Bowl, but there was a changing of their offense and I'm not sure McVay and Goff were getting along all that well but it doesn't help Goff's case that they traded him along with picks to get Stafford.
@@theunlikelysuccess tbh I just think that you can find a qb that can play at his level with the talent that he has around him, but for a much cheaper contract so you can put even more talent around that qb but who knows maybe he gets lucky and wins a big game
Saying that andrew luck colts team was good is crazy.
@timothyt2981 I don't remember saying they were a 'good' team, but I think they were a decently run organization. They also happened to perfectly time two generational talents at QB.
It’s actually hilarious how you acted like a two time MVP (Lamar) is on the same level as a quarterback who has never made an all pro team (Josh).
@isaiahhoward You don't think Allen is in the same conversation as Lamar? I think they are both great quarterbacks, and Allen being passed over for All-Pro in the AFC with Mahomes - Lamar - Burrow the last few years isn't that awful to me.
But....I cannot stand the narrative around Lamar and how often he gets overlooked. He's having the career I thought Vick should have had and you won't see a video where I take shots at how good of a QB he has been. Need to see some more playoff wins, but he's already a HOF QB.
"Cultural impact of his career"? The first thing every football fan thinks of when they hear the name Mikey Victor is dog fighting. Cultural impact, indeed, but not in a good way.
@lobotomyscam1051 Today, that's true, but prior to the dog fighting Vick was already a cultural phenomenon. After them though, it's clear what the impact became.
My point was/is Vick was once seen as the coolest NFL QB and on track to contend for the face of the NFL.
Your point about how he is viewed and what he is remembered for largely though, is valid.
@@theunlikelysuccessWhy do you all always bring that up but never bring up big Ben’s rape accusations and court cases?
jamarcus russel over megatron
@k1nguerra And Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis.
Vick was great too bad he got greedy. If that would not have happened he would’ve had a great career
@PattyErskine Vick's career is an all-time destruction and redemption story. He was in the middle of becoming the face of the NFL but made terrible choices. He's also a rare person who has been rehabilitated, or from the outside it appears that way.
Animal abuse is a greed thing?
@@GinkgoPete at least part of it he was making alot of money on those underdog fights. Greedy didn't need to do that being a millionaire
@@djereturns11I don't agree with dog fighting at all but tbh it's weird that ppl accept cock fighting not dogs... yes that's our BFs but at the end of the day they are both animals and in reality ita both wrong.
Stopp the cap, Vick is a hall of fame level tallent
Keenan Allen is no where close to a hall of fame player
6 Pro Bowls, top 50 receiving yards, but injuries damage his case. His stats could be justified as worthy, and he's been consistent but no All-Pro teams or playoff runs...not sure how they're going to treat some of the great stat guys but a lot of QB's and WR's are going to have high totals that can't really be completely ignored.
Stephen A never ceases to surprise with dumb comments. Does he not understand how a draft works?
@gamlielsassoon9039 Carson Palmer was so confused. I had to include it for the comedy if nothing else.
Your bar for HOF is wayyyy too low dude lmao
@ScarredBert Not sure I follow, I said Eli, Stafford, and Goff are potential HOF QBs. Numbers wise they would be locks with a little more hardware.
I am not saying they will for sure get in, just saying they will all have cases. Manning is pretty likely, Stafford has the numbers but that's probably my Rams bias, and if Goff wins an MVP or a Super Bowl his case will be very strong to get in.
@@theunlikelysuccess Eli gets in for sure. Stafford and Goff are in the hall of very good. Stafford needs one more ring, Goff needs at least 2 or several MVPs to get in
@@ScarredBert You think Goff would need several MVPs? I think Goff's entire career narrative changes if he wins even one MVP. It could be though, could be that I have a blind spot for Goff.
What position should you take first overall ?
@isaiahwilliams2332 I firmly believe in building through the lines, but I would say take best player available at #1. A lot of these QBs were not the best player in their draft class, but I don't think teams should pigeon hole themselves into one position with #1 overall.
Lol @ Michael Vick. We've seen qbs like him over and over and over and over. Fast, quick, cannon arm...not accurate at all and barely reads defenses. Barely went deep in playoffs and no rings.
@jdigitalseven7 You think so? There were other fast QBs but Vick had elite NFL speed. His accuracy was definitely an issue and he has admitted to not taking football seriously when he was in Atlanta.
Appreciate the comment!
@@theunlikelysuccess Vick had the "Cunningham disease": In love with their legs, taking off on first sight of pressure, while the pocket passers took home the trophies. It hasnt changed. Never will. The good to great QBs excel with their arms, not their legs (just occasionally taking advantage of the nowadays soft rules, like Mahomes does now and then scrambling here and there).
Otoh, Vick, Cunningham, and Steve Young (its forgotten he was a double bust in the USFL and benched in the NFL for Steve DeBerg) became efficient QBs in their later years, after taking full advantage of their passing skills.
Its especially a tragedy Vick and Cuningham didnt tried it early on. Too little, too late, they ran out of chances. Those two had all the talent thats needed to become a efficient pro QB. Stop running around, thus reduce sacks too, throw to the open receiver. The formula for NFL success since the 1940s when Sid Luckman hit the scence.
Great work on your vid btw 🙂
Eli was not a great QB. He will get into the hall on the strength of his name.
@j.olacio5298 I think he was average to good, but played great in the biggest moments. I wouldn't put him in the HoF but I do think he gets in.
Stephen A sounds so stupid with what he said to Carson.
@ParamoreFAV3 He tried to play it off, but it was obvious he didn't know the Carson Palmer - Bengals relationship.
@@theunlikelysuccess just looks so dumb on national tv; he doesn’t watch any of the sports he covers lol
@@ParamoreFAV3 I will give him this, it is entertaining to watch when other people are baffled by what he's saying.
Here’s the problem when you talk about Mike Vick are you talking about football or are you talking about what kind of a person he is? Don’t mix the two if you wanna make a video about football, make a video about football if you want to talk about what kind of character or morals someone has then do that.
@RHill79 I never mixed these, but you can't talk about Vick's career without talking about his off field issues.
My video is about football, and I did not take any stance on character or morals in my opinion.
The entire offense defyed soon to be fired weirdo racist Dennis Allen, not just Jameis
@andrewkelly1337 Yea you're not wrong, but I think Jameis got all the heat for it.
@@theunlikelysuccess true
Nice video, but I have a suggestion. Stop putting clips of “analysts” into your videos. I’m coming to your channel to hear you, if I wanted to hear Skip and Steven A., I’d go to to FOX or ESPN.
@hahahazxc Fair enough. I add the clips for context but noted on being more intentional with the usage.
This man just said 18 of 24 drafts.......do you think the draft started in 2000?
@long060 Lol, that's an error on my part. I start with 2000 and should have added that note....otherwise to your point....it seems like I believe the draft started in 2000
SKIP
This video doesn't take into account players like Peyton Manning. Its wildly bizarre.
@timhall5382 I thought it was relatively clear that the arbitrary cutoff I used was 2000. Peyton was drafted in 98', thus not considered for the video.
Narrator does admit he was wrong which is interesting and credible.
@@theunlikelysuccessah, I couldn't figure out what was going on. I must have missed that. Good video.
At :58 he says 18 of 24 drafts had a QB picked first. Apparently that is the time frame he is talking about. Since 2000.
@@timhall5382 Yea, somewhere in the comments another person pointed out that I didn't actually say 'since 2000' which was my fault in the script. I noted it on my end to make sure I am more intentional with mentioning specific time periods.
Vick should still be in jail
Let it go, Dog Lover😂😂😂.
@@insuchaway jail or dead
@@elijahbritt7892 LOLLLL
He served his time; for the other shit, go get em Fido...
@@insuchaway jail or dead
Ben Rapisberger...
Goff is not a future hall of famer
@zcrouch13 I'm not saying he's a lock....but he's going to have a case. It will be interesting what the HOF uses as the new barometer for getting in.
As a Seahawks fan I believe that if stays consistent especially if Goff wins a super bowl he will be.