Well done. I’ve worked for the airlines for twenty years, four of them as a reservation agent and sixteen of them as a gate agent. Fifteen of them for American and five with Delta. You’ve explained exactly how pricing is done. Don’t mind the trolls you’ve done a great job explaining pricing even explaining pricing buckets and fare inventory.
In other words, airlines price their tickets for as high as people are willing to pay. That's why ticket prices flying between two major cities with a lot of business travelers like from Singapore to London, and vice-versa, tend to be very expensive especially for First and Business class tickets.
When I watched this video for the first time, I had no idea that I'd be studying an MSc in Air Transport Management three years later, and writing an assignment which involved analysis of US domestic airfares. Your channel played a part in deciding to study again, so thanks, Sam! Happy new year.
Hey there! I am interested in that MSc. Were you working for a company of the field when you started it? In which university have you decided to study it? Thanks!
Interesting topic, especially when you know the airlines doesn't even know that. They have to employ third parties company to retrieve their prices since their algorithm to compute the prices is too complex. I know that since I made an internship in one of those company
The 3rd party application providers provide those services much more efficiently, using their large software platforms and airlines need not focus on pricing. This could be a reason. It is not possible to fix prices manually in highly completive, dynamic market conditions It is almost like a stock market where different share prices keep going up and down based on many factors - within a day to across the year
Incorrect. Airlines "know". They purchase 3rd party software and services, as does any company. The airlines have dedicated departments to managing revenue management. The software is just a tool for the airline and they own all the data that they use to determine pricing and availability.
Hold on...If a one-way ticket costs nearly $1500 more than a full round trip, couldn’t you just book a round trip and simply not go on your returning flight?
lots of people do this. The term is skiplagging. Its against the terms of the ticket and some European airlines are suing the customers who most abuse these 'hacks'
I noticed that and started doing it myself it works or you can use your returning flight by switching it out to another place as a one-way if you plane on only doing a one way plan ahead to see which place you would visit set that as your return flight ....Thank me later
I fly back and forth every 3 weeks. I have it figured out were I alternate airlines to and from. Allowing me to fly "round trips" I fly airline A to Europe. 3 days later airline B home. 14 days go by airline B to Europe (round trip pricing) and than airline A home (21 day stay and round trip pricing) Wash, rinse, repeat.
And then get stranded in London as the airline refuses to honor your fare code because you haven't proven that you meet the minimum-stay requirement. Since you didn't show up to board the first leg of the flight, you haven't met the requirements of the fare code, since they have no proof that you stayed a Sunday. Buying and flying that round-trip ticket is their proof that you are a tourist and not a businessperson. I suppose you could get around this by buying the opposite city pair in the middle of your trip. That is, buy JFK-LHR roundtrip for Monday and next next Friday; then LHR-JFK roundtrip for Friday and next next Monday. I don't know if this is possible or even legal; at the very least customs might harass you for trying to enter the country without a return flight or a long-term stay visa. I haven't flown commercially so I don't know if customs talks to airlines' booking departments or not. If they did, then this plan wouldn't work. Furthermore, the ticket restriction is on minimum stay - you don't need to link two round-trip fares to get a longer stay, they'll honor the cheaper fair code for a long stay. Maximum stay requirements do exist, but they're usually for absurdly long periods of time where you'd need a long-term stay visa anyway.
Are there legal requirements that you MUST take the flight you paid for? I'm pretty sure you can't be arrested for not getting on an airplane (unless for other reasons like Visa expiration, etc).
You can't get arrested for not taking the first leg, but if you pause the video at 8:43, you'll see this fun little sentence: "THE TICKET IS INVALID IF FLIGHT COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN SEQUENCE". That means if you aren't physically present at the airport and board the first leg of your flight, then you lose the second leg of your flight. You won't be arrested for missing that first flight (unless doing so would cause you to overstay a visa) but they won't let you board the second.
It also depends on where you buy your ticket at. on Norwegian they have three options for English: American English, British English, and all other English. You can save up to $40 to $50 a ticket if you go to other English, but you're still buying from the same airport to the same airport.
I happen to work for a major Airline and this is absolutely accurate. British Airways is notorious for adding fuel surcharges of on average $200 each way and Delta doesnt play nice with others. For my free flights i get by working for an airline it only really costs the airline around $3 for me to fill the seat including drinks and all that extra stuff so think about that. Next maybe do a video to see the average cost to an airline per seat/person
Me too, but if you look at his views on all his recent videos and compare it to his subs it is clear that his audience participation is off the charts.
That's exactly what my family and I did when we moved from London to the US. It was $thousands less to buy a bunch of return flights and not show up for the trip back. I'm guessing this happens all the time and contributes to the airlines "having to overbook" flights. Absolutely idiotic really.
@@JonathanRamkissoon-el3cj Also, the AIRPORT guards dragged him off. They made that decision not United's flight attendants. Cabbage, stop twisting the story just so you can whip out the race card.
You forgot to mention, the tracking cookies that we must accept. They track us and if we search a certain route multiple times the price will not decrease but the opposite.
lot of sites wont let you use their service if you block cookies - but - if you use chrome, their is a neat little extension that lets you view, edit or delete a specific website's cookies - i used this a lot when trying over a few month span to book tickets to manila, malaysia and taiwan - also found that not only the day of the week your willing to fly, but also the day of the week you search prices makes a difference - even hour of the day (sunday morning was best time to search back then, until some newspaper like NYT had to write an article to that effect, then everyone was trying to do the same)
Their algorithms are more complex than that these days. Besides, their webservers can see what IP's are looking at what and when. It already knows what your IP looked at.... The servers remember the mere fact that someone, anybody, looked at a given flight or route. If there are tons of requests for a price on a given route, they remember that and prices are adjusted accordingly. Amazon's algorithms include similar methods. If 20000 people suddenly look at a given item in a short time, it raises the price. If you go back to look a month or two later, the price will be back down. Sometimes you can get the price down by connecting in from a different computer or location, but ther'es no guarantee.
VidBin .....always check prices.....I found a r/t DTW/LAX...only $59.00...booked that ...for that price all good...a day later it was back to regular $600.00 fare range....so you since humans are using their computers to enter a price...there will be mistakes made....just sayin....
Somehow it’s cheaper for someone to purchase a return ticket from Sydney to London (16,990km / 10,560mi) (around US$1,082) than it is for someone to purchase a return ticket from New York to London (5,567km / 3,459mi) (around US$1,492) *Explain that*
surfie007 it’s also cheaper to fly from Madrid, Spain to Tokyo through London (550€ return) than to fly London to Tokyo only (850€) on the same airline/flight
Airports are fixed in their size; they have an inelastic supply. They can grow over time but usually much slower than demand. As a result, airports can charge higher and higher fees and still have demand equal to their supply. This is much like concerts or sporting events or amusement parks; these places are only so big and expanding them requires more land. If you have 1,000 seats to fill and 10,000 people are willing to pay $50 for those seats, it is in your best interest to raise prices until the amount of people willing to pay that price equals the amount of seats you have.
Story of George Flights from UK airports excluding Northern Ireland are subject to the Air Passenger Duty (APD) tax. The UK’s APD is much higher than the equivalent taxes in any other country. But it’s only charged on flights originating in the UK, not connecting through the UK. This is why you’ll see flights connecting through London for cheaper. Of course long haul direct flights also come at a premium.
It easy and convenient when looking through various flight options .jetradar.com/?marker=180051 Especially when checking out. Really saves you a lot of time and money for good deals.
I've never not enjoyed watching these videos. The animation is spot on and the narration is easy to understand. WP and HAI are high quality educational channels, nice work.
hamzah jambi Fun Fact! It wasn’t even a united airlines plane that the doctor was dragged off. It was a smaller regional airline, operating as United Express.
Air Canada last year was insane, at least on my country. I had a Santiago de Chile-Tokyo ticket at only usd$730... For a total of 23 hours flying! I'm sure that a cheap trip just to North America costs the same. And they also had cheaper prices to go to Europe compared with other carriers, even when it was far more hours flying (because of stopover in Toronto)
my opinions are facts i work for an Airline and if you try to change the name on the ticket it will reprice the ticket at the current price and you wont make any profit
gamer larry They also charge you a cancellation fee ($150 for AA) unless you have a Y class ticket (which no one has unless they're an idiot or are buying the ticket right before boarding which means they probably aren't going to try and return it). I got screamed at and called names because of this more times than I can count. Glad I don't work for an airline anymore.
"This way, travelers make their decision based on the reputation of the airline, rather than the price" Well, we all know United Airlines isn't gonna be everyones first pick...
yeah...no. Many of us go out of our way to fly United because we're treated well. I personally have Gold status with them, and am willing to pay more to fly with United vs other us airlines. For that I get upgrades, lounge access, Economy Plus seating, and free baggage allowance. People who actually travel often know the dragging off story is a one time thing. Every airline gets people who say "they would rather fly with anyone but them". That is until that airline has the cheapest price again...
@@drunkrussianisgood I had friends who flown united and they always say its not great. Their service sucks, and overall the reputation for the airline is still bad ever since they dragged a passenger off a flight. Even my dad who flown united couple times and is a business traveler can agree that united is bad. I've heard good things about Delta and that too their service as well as their reputation as a whole is better than United. Comparing United's lounges and upgrades, in terms of US based carriers Delta is better, but Asian and some European carriers are far better.
@@legalizebuckets594 oh I agree that they're inferior to Asian/European airlines in most ways. But when comparing to US airlines, I don't find United much better or worse than the others for the average traveller, and they get shit on unnecessarily by people who don't really know much about air travel. It's also funny because most people in reality choose on price alone, and will literally fly anyone to save a dollar. So it's all talk and no action anyways.
When I took business trips I loved that I could stay a weekend either before or after I had to be there and get a cheaper flight. I used the extra time to sightsee. Usually the airline discount was cheap enough it even paid for the extra days in the hotel so my company loved it too.
From US to Africa? I’d assume lack of competition and quantity of flyers. Domestic African flights? My guess would be lack of regulation and lack of competition leading to high pricing aimed towards tourists who have few choices if they’re interested in visitinf
Which Aircrafts are u talkin about? If u fly with Emirates, British Airways, Brussels Airways, KLM and many others then u good.. if u fly with Local african aircrafts then idk.. i had the worst flying experiences with Ethopian Airways and Egyptair.. so i guess its all about the company you fly with and if you book earlier you will find some cheap ones!!
David Zhou What you said about US to Africa and vise versa is most likely true, but when it comes to flights around Africa, I don't think that's the case. There are many airlines, both regular and budget that operate flights, so there is competition.
mizzy mauri I think Ethiopian is one of the best in Africa, maybe you had a one-off bad experience. Their service is decent and their aircraft is new (they have an Airbus A350 but I don't think it flies in and around Africa). Other companies have aircraft that are at least 10 to 15 years old and simple things like seat recline and headphone jacks don't work. Not to forget the bad in-flight entertainment while still being around $1000 for a flight from Dakar to Accra (not even direct).
But there often isn't non-flight competition, ie the roads and rail are bad enough to put people off using them, or the distances are too long. Then you get into price-matching as mentioned in the video.
Thank god for Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair! People give them shit, but they made flying accessible for everyone in Europe and that’s a massive accomplishment.
I never thought it would be so interesting to know about the flight industry, but I'm starting to love all your videos, especially the ones when you talk about planes and this industry in general.
One of my friends is slowly teaching me how to game the system. From what I understand, he makes purchases with Amex, which he can then redeem for British Airways points. The British Airways redemption scheme happens to have a sweet spot that allows him to fly along the east coast of Australia (where we both live), for dirt cheap prices. Effectively, he flies business class for $30 more than economy on a Sydney to Brisbane or Melbourne trip, and vice versa. If he wanted to do Sydney to Perth, outside of BA’s redemption sweet spot, he’d use his Alaska Airlines points, redeemed the same way, to the same effect. Long and the short of it is that my friend has worked out the system enough that he can fly whenever he wants (booking flights a few days not weeks in advance), and flies business class for about 30 bucks more, and has all the business lounge perks (unlimited free drinks, food, etc). He flew me up to Cairns, a 3 hour flight, and rented a car, for a week, and had me drive him around, because he hasn’t got a license or car, because it was cheaper and he wanted to see the sights. *i literally got a free holiday and got to drive around for a week doing whatever we wanted, because he worked out that this was cheaper than Ubering everywhere* ...he’s really got all this worked out. It’s mesmerising.
Fare class Y is the base economy class -- the economy cabin is called the Y cabin (business is J, first is F), and other economy fares are like 'sub types' of Y. So, a flight with 180 seats in the Y cabin will have a maximum availability of 180 Y fares (on the native platform, via the GDS there are much smaller availabilities set for every fare class). But even on the native booking platform other fare classes may also be numerically restricted in availability, e.g. maybe only 7 class N. Also with the New York to Dublin flight, the airline will incur more fees than a intra-continental flight across the USA, so get fare will always reflect those fees too.
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This is the most irrelevant comment with so many hits I have ever seen. I was just trying to be the first to comment on the video. Ended up at 24 position.
"it wouldn't make any sense for anyone to fly a budget airline like WestJet over Air Canada" oh, how wrong you are... I have never had a problem flying WestJet, and I've never been on an air Canada flight that hasn't had an issue.
West Jet are a CON... Using old B.767s, plus most worn out dangerous B.737s From Toronto - to London (Gatwick).. Air Transat are way ahead + cheaper on this journey... 23kg luggage + free meals in economy
The explanation of why a one way ticket is more expensive based on the minimum stay requirements does not make sense. He says "because the airline does not know how long the pax is going to stay at the destination, it falls into the highest price category". The whole point is to price cheaper for leisure travelers. But flying one-way does not identify you neither as business nor as leisure traveler. Business and leisure tend to book return tickets, so this criteria is not discriminating. So there must be another cause for the high price of one-way tickets.
Here is something I encountered that I have extensively researched yet still cannot find a reason a reason for. I wanted to travel from Pittsburgh international to Pu Dong airport in Shanghai, the flight had a connector in Detroit as I was flying delta. Out of curiosity I decided to see how much that flight was if I were to simply drive to Detroit and fly out from there. The flight cost 600 more dollars to fly out from Detroit. So it cost 600 less dollars to fly with 2 planes than 1 (And there was not a wait time between flights) also having my wife use her Chinese account to purchase the same flight for me from China cost 300 less than purchasing from the USA even though it was the same starting and destination and the same dates and times. Also this was checked after I checked the price on my side. This never made sense to me but we always use the Chinese account through a VPN now to buy tickets when flying to China as they are always cheaper.
These videos are so well produced. You do such a great job on your research too. Every detail is looked into and analyzed. On top of that you do a great job relaying the information to the audience. Really enjoy your videos. Thanks!
The pricing buckets are also smart because they help to manage risk. If you're price sensitive, you book a flight in advance because it's the cheapest, and you won't cancel because of a) fees, and b) a new booking closer to the day is more expensive. Thus, lower classes people pay less but they're quite dependable as customers. Meanwhile, you never know when a rich person going on a trip will decide to use your services, so the risk is higher. This is reflected in the price. As Wendover said, it's quite a genius pricing mechanism 🙌🏽🎊
It actually sounds like it completely screws over the small businessman. If you don't work for a large company that can easily afford paying these fares for many of their employees(It's still expensive), travel will be a very serious cost for your business. I know there can't be that many cases like this, but this "We make you pay what we think you can based on these assumptions." strategy definitely screws someone over.
Not really. They simply find the exact balance to get everyone's business. That is the beauty of capitalism. What actually happens is not that the small business man gets screwed, but rather the big company springs for business class because they can afford it. I work for a smaller company and travel a lot for them as well as know people in large companies who travel for them. Do the research before you say it sounds bad. It's simply business as it should happen.
Great video, some of it confirms something things I knew. Such as each year we fly from New England to Florida and the difference between flying out on the Monday vs Tuesday or Wednesday for the same flight and time ends up being half. Been that way for years. THANKS for the additional information.
In India , Delhi India to mumbai : Low cost carrier : $40 Full service airline:$60 Economy class , booking 2 weeks before departure. Competition in India is fierce than USA
the one i find most perplexing is flights from houston to manila on singapore air - i fly the first leg to singapore, layover and change planes onward to manila - however if i want to stay in singapore, round trip tickets to singapore, which theoretically saves SIA the total second 4 hour flight will cost me anywhere from 100-300 dollars more - first rule of sales - don't leave a nickel on the table and charge as much as the market will bare
In a cartel, prices are mutually agreed upon beforehand. In price matching, it happens after the fact, i.e. all sellers adjust their prices to those of the competition. Nothing actually stops e.g. Delta from going lower - except the knowledge that if they did this, it would lead to a race to the bottom that isn't in their interest. Therefore, prices balance out at a relatively low level that is acceptable to all participants. At least in theory. In practice, the line is quite thin. To fall under anti-trust law, it'd have to be proven that they mutually fixed those prices in advance, and that's often not easy to do.
Exactly what varana said, there's a very grey area between price matching and collusion (which is illegal). However, it's never easy to accuse companies, especially in a market with such high barriers to entry like the airplane industry, of collusion. At some point or another it's always going to end up looking like collusion in one way or another, because (and this is the exact reason why it's illegal) companies need to find out the maximum point at which customers will pay within the margins of what they should be charging for lower demand flights, like Wendover explained.
And then there was a route from Prague to Vienna for 500 $ (around 350 Kilometres). However, when you go from Prague to for example Innsbruck via Vienna then this two tickets cost around 65 $ (500 Kilometres). It is with same airlines- Austrian Airlines.
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I was scared. 3 videos have gone by without mentioning airplanes. Thank you for uploading an airplane video
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Joe N ikr, I was starting to getting worried.
Is this some sort of troll?
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Well done. I’ve worked for the airlines for twenty years, four of them as a reservation agent and sixteen of them as a gate agent. Fifteen of them for American and five with Delta. You’ve explained exactly how pricing is done. Don’t mind the trolls you’ve done a great job explaining pricing even explaining pricing buckets and fare inventory.
super late reply. is working for so many airlines normal? like... are those different jobs?
@@ironmaidenmetalgod four *years as a reservation agent, and sixteen *years as a gate agent
@@ironmaidenmetalgod Patrick only mentioned two airlines.
What trolls?
11:00 "prices reflect what people will pay and so people will pay what flights are priced" that is so deep lol
In other words, airlines price their tickets for as high as people are willing to pay. That's why ticket prices flying between two major cities with a lot of business travelers like from Singapore to London, and vice-versa, tend to be very expensive especially for First and Business class tickets.
Sounds deep but is really trite. Tautology.
When I watched this video for the first time, I had no idea that I'd be studying an MSc in Air Transport Management three years later, and writing an assignment which involved analysis of US domestic airfares. Your channel played a part in deciding to study again, so thanks, Sam! Happy new year.
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Hey there! I am interested in that MSc. Were you working for a company of the field when you started it? In which university have you decided to study it? Thanks!
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10:35. I guess if you're going to Ireland, you're going to be Dublin your costs.
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Interesting topic, especially when you know the airlines doesn't even know that. They have to employ third parties company to retrieve their prices since their algorithm to compute the prices is too complex. I know that since I made an internship in one of those company
The 3rd party application providers provide those services much more efficiently, using their large software platforms and airlines need not focus on pricing.
This could be a reason. It is not possible to fix prices manually in highly completive, dynamic market conditions
It is almost like a stock market where different share prices keep going up and down based on many factors - within a day to across the year
Incorrect. Airlines "know". They purchase 3rd party software and services, as does any company. The airlines have dedicated departments to managing revenue management. The software is just a tool for the airline and they own all the data that they use to determine pricing and availability.
3:14 "Fly from *Central Canada* to Newfoundland."
*shows Montreal*
Pronounces it "Montre Al"
Benzene “newfinlind”
@@MarcEddyHockey isn't that how Newfoundland is pronounced tho?
Yah, geographical illiteracy is a global phenomenon. Would be good if those making videos vetted their content to avoid propagating errors. 😬😥
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Hold on...If a one-way ticket costs nearly $1500 more than a full round trip, couldn’t you just book a round trip and simply not go on your returning flight?
lots of people do this. The term is skiplagging. Its against the terms of the ticket and some European airlines are suing the customers who most abuse these 'hacks'
@@louigee1450 They sue you for not letting them high jack you of your money wtf lmao
I noticed that and started doing it myself it works or you can use your returning flight by switching it out to another place as a one-way if you plane on only doing a one way plan ahead to see which place you would visit set that as your return flight ....Thank me later
I fly back and forth every 3 weeks. I have it figured out were I alternate airlines to and from. Allowing me to fly "round trips" I fly airline A to Europe. 3 days later airline B home. 14 days go by airline B to Europe (round trip pricing) and than airline A home (21 day stay and round trip pricing)
Wash, rinse, repeat.
My dad does this
So just buy a round trip ticket to London, stay as long as you want, then buy another round trip ticket to go home. Still cheaper.
And then get stranded in London as the airline refuses to honor your fare code because you haven't proven that you meet the minimum-stay requirement. Since you didn't show up to board the first leg of the flight, you haven't met the requirements of the fare code, since they have no proof that you stayed a Sunday. Buying and flying that round-trip ticket is their proof that you are a tourist and not a businessperson.
I suppose you could get around this by buying the opposite city pair in the middle of your trip. That is, buy JFK-LHR roundtrip for Monday and next next Friday; then LHR-JFK roundtrip for Friday and next next Monday. I don't know if this is possible or even legal; at the very least customs might harass you for trying to enter the country without a return flight or a long-term stay visa. I haven't flown commercially so I don't know if customs talks to airlines' booking departments or not. If they did, then this plan wouldn't work.
Furthermore, the ticket restriction is on minimum stay - you don't need to link two round-trip fares to get a longer stay, they'll honor the cheaper fair code for a long stay. Maximum stay requirements do exist, but they're usually for absurdly long periods of time where you'd need a long-term stay visa anyway.
Are there legal requirements that you MUST take the flight you paid for? I'm pretty sure you can't be arrested for not getting on an airplane (unless for other reasons like Visa expiration, etc).
Ben Marvin AHHHHHHHH
People actually do this. Like you'll find articles and videos with extremely click baity titles that "expose this secret".
You can't get arrested for not taking the first leg, but if you pause the video at 8:43, you'll see this fun little sentence: "THE TICKET IS INVALID IF FLIGHT COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN SEQUENCE". That means if you aren't physically present at the airport and board the first leg of your flight, then you lose the second leg of your flight. You won't be arrested for missing that first flight (unless doing so would cause you to overstay a visa) but they won't let you board the second.
I _wendover_ all the links in the description, found them only _half as interesting_ as the video.
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Sebastian Elytron Lol why are the comments so hateful. The joke was decent
Awww yeah another plane video ( I love these)
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It also depends on where you buy your ticket at. on Norwegian they have three options for English: American English, British English, and all other English. You can save up to $40 to $50 a ticket if you go to other English, but you're still buying from the same airport to the same airport.
I happen to work for a major Airline and this is absolutely accurate. British Airways is notorious for adding fuel surcharges of on average $200 each way and Delta doesnt play nice with others. For my free flights i get by working for an airline it only really costs the airline around $3 for me to fill the seat including drinks and all that extra stuff so think about that. Next maybe do a video to see the average cost to an airline per seat/person
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Me too, but if you look at his views on all his recent videos and compare it to his subs it is clear that his audience participation is off the charts.
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If you only need a one way ticket to London, then just buy a return ticket, but don`t attend the plane on the way back ;)
true
But I don't think you can check a bag
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That's exactly what my family and I did when we moved from London to the US. It was $thousands less to buy a bunch of return flights and not show up for the trip back. I'm guessing this happens all the time and contributes to the airlines "having to overbook" flights. Absolutely idiotic really.
Calvin's World News It's not idiotic if it makes profit
But United Airlines offers you unique services such as but not limited to being dragged off the plane!
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Hi There white privilege. That's not true.
Hi There boi. U look like a united fanboy. HOW TF DO U NOT KNOW ABOUT THE PERSON BEING DRAGGED OF THE UNITED PLANE!!!
Hi There If you think anyone deserves a dragging, you’re insane.
@@JonathanRamkissoon-el3cj Also, the AIRPORT guards dragged him off. They made that decision not United's flight attendants. Cabbage, stop twisting the story just so you can whip out the race card.
Make a video of how to find the cheapest ticket possible
Just use Google Flights. I don't wanna sound like a shrill, but that site makes it stupidly easy to find the cheapest day and airline to fly on.
Look for smaller, low-cost airports nearby.
+MrPaukann Actually that's bad advice; smaller airports actually cost more to fly to because of less competition for routes.
Troodon, no. Look at BCN vs Barcelona Girona, London Heathrow vs London Luton, Frankfurt vs Frankfurt Hahn, Sheremetevo vs Vnukovo.
Holy crap you're right
A great year to start the new year - another plane/airline related video; thanks!
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You forgot to mention, the tracking cookies that we must accept. They track us and if we search a certain route multiple times the price will not decrease but the opposite.
Do not track. Block cookies.
lot of sites wont let you use their service if you block cookies - but - if you use chrome, their is a neat little extension that lets you view, edit or delete a specific website's cookies - i used this a lot when trying over a few month span to book tickets to manila, malaysia and taiwan - also found that not only the day of the week your willing to fly, but also the day of the week you search prices makes a difference - even hour of the day (sunday morning was best time to search back then, until some newspaper like NYT had to write an article to that effect, then everyone was trying to do the same)
that's why i use tor to search for some flights, however, some websites like expedia are blocked on tor for that exact reason
Search in incognito
Their algorithms are more complex than that these days. Besides, their webservers can see what IP's are looking at what and when. It already knows what your IP looked at.... The servers remember the mere fact that someone, anybody, looked at a given flight or route. If there are tons of requests for a price on a given route, they remember that and prices are adjusted accordingly. Amazon's algorithms include similar methods. If 20000 people suddenly look at a given item in a short time, it raises the price. If you go back to look a month or two later, the price will be back down. Sometimes you can get the price down by connecting in from a different computer or location, but ther'es no guarantee.
7:25 I love how the price changed from $2,772 to $2,272, just to show that prices do drop in real time as we speak :P
VidBin .....always check prices.....I found a r/t DTW/LAX...only $59.00...booked that ...for that price all good...a day later it was back to regular $600.00 fare range....so you since humans are using their computers to enter a price...there will be mistakes made....just sayin....
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Well this video was actually reallyyy helpful
Somehow it’s cheaper for someone to purchase a return ticket from Sydney to London (16,990km / 10,560mi) (around US$1,082) than it is for someone to purchase a return ticket from New York to London (5,567km / 3,459mi) (around US$1,492) *Explain that*
surfie007 it’s also cheaper to fly from Madrid, Spain to Tokyo through London (550€ return) than to fly London to Tokyo only (850€) on the same airline/flight
When I lived in Tokyo, it was $500 to fly to Paris. At the time flying NY to Paris was over twice that.
My guess is it's simple supply and demand
Airports are fixed in their size; they have an inelastic supply. They can grow over time but usually much slower than demand. As a result, airports can charge higher and higher fees and still have demand equal to their supply. This is much like concerts or sporting events or amusement parks; these places are only so big and expanding them requires more land.
If you have 1,000 seats to fill and 10,000 people are willing to pay $50 for those seats, it is in your best interest to raise prices until the amount of people willing to pay that price equals the amount of seats you have.
Story of George Flights from UK airports excluding Northern Ireland are subject to the Air Passenger Duty (APD) tax. The UK’s APD is much higher than the equivalent taxes in any other country. But it’s only charged on flights originating in the UK, not connecting through the UK. This is why you’ll see flights connecting through London for cheaper. Of course long haul direct flights also come at a premium.
More than I ever wanted to know about how flights are priced, BUT very interesting insight!! 💟
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Girl this video is full of bullshit - he's talking out his ass and has no sources to back up what he's saying. It's SPECULATION!
It easy and convenient when looking through various flight options .jetradar.com/?marker=180051 Especially when checking out. Really saves you a lot of time and money for good deals.
I've never not enjoyed watching these videos. The animation is spot on and the narration is easy to understand. WP and HAI are high quality educational channels, nice work.
But with united airlines you pay with your life
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hamzah jambi what do you mean
hamzah jambi Fun Fact! It wasn’t even a united airlines plane that the doctor was dragged off. It was a smaller regional airline, operating as United Express.
"People spend there whole lives figuring out what to charge you to fly." Feels a bit personal, really.
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Air Canada last year was insane, at least on my country. I had a Santiago de Chile-Tokyo ticket at only usd$730... For a total of 23 hours flying! I'm sure that a cheap trip just to North America costs the same. And they also had cheaper prices to go to Europe compared with other carriers, even when it was far more hours flying (because of stopover in Toronto)
Starting the year with a plane video
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And this is why you buy tickets a month in advance, sell the tickets to pay rent, and then change you phone background to a picture of the Bahamas
my opinions are facts except you can’t sell a plane ticket to another person. It has your name on it.
mattpytlak white out
my opinions are facts i work for an Airline and if you try to change the name on the ticket it will reprice the ticket at the current price and you wont make any profit
gamer larry They also charge you a cancellation fee ($150 for AA) unless you have a Y class ticket (which no one has unless they're an idiot or are buying the ticket right before boarding which means they probably aren't going to try and return it). I got screamed at and called names because of this more times than I can count. Glad I don't work for an airline anymore.
Why does everybody here have good puns?
About time for a plane video :)
Watching this while i recently got a plane ticket from the Netherlands (Eindhoven) to Italy (Bologna) for $8
Hmm interesting did you get to fly in the cargo hold?
My guess is Ryanair- I once saw a ticket from Dublin to Oslo for only €5!!
Transavia probably
"This way, travelers make their decision based on the reputation of the airline, rather than the price"
Well, we all know United Airlines isn't gonna be everyones first pick...
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yeah...no. Many of us go out of our way to fly United because we're treated well. I personally have Gold status with them, and am willing to pay more to fly with United vs other us airlines. For that I get upgrades, lounge access, Economy Plus seating, and free baggage allowance. People who actually travel often know the dragging off story is a one time thing. Every airline gets people who say "they would rather fly with anyone but them". That is until that airline has the cheapest price again...
@@drunkrussianisgood I had friends who flown united and they always say its not great. Their service sucks, and overall the reputation for the airline is still bad ever since they dragged a passenger off a flight. Even my dad who flown united couple times and is a business traveler can agree that united is bad. I've heard good things about Delta and that too their service as well as their reputation as a whole is better than United. Comparing United's lounges and upgrades, in terms of US based carriers Delta is better, but Asian and some European carriers are far better.
@@legalizebuckets594 oh I agree that they're inferior to Asian/European airlines in most ways. But when comparing to US airlines, I don't find United much better or worse than the others for the average traveller, and they get shit on unnecessarily by people who don't really know much about air travel.
It's also funny because most people in reality choose on price alone, and will literally fly anyone to save a dollar. So it's all talk and no action anyways.
I would choose Delta or JetBlue, best legacy airline and best budget airline in the US in my opinion.
When I took business trips I loved that I could stay a weekend either before or after I had to be there and get a cheaper flight. I used the extra time to sightsee. Usually the airline discount was cheap enough it even paid for the extra days in the hotel so my company loved it too.
Hey Wendover, can you please make a video on why African flights are so expensive even though the aircraft are worse?
From US to Africa? I’d assume lack of competition and quantity of flyers. Domestic African flights? My guess would be lack of regulation and lack of competition leading to high pricing aimed towards tourists who have few choices if they’re interested in visitinf
Which Aircrafts are u talkin about? If u fly with Emirates, British Airways, Brussels Airways, KLM and many others then u good.. if u fly with Local african aircrafts then idk.. i had the worst flying experiences with Ethopian Airways and Egyptair.. so i guess its all about the company you fly with and if you book earlier you will find some cheap ones!!
David Zhou What you said about US to Africa and vise versa is most likely true, but when it comes to flights around Africa, I don't think that's the case. There are many airlines, both regular and budget that operate flights, so there is competition.
mizzy mauri I think Ethiopian is one of the best in Africa, maybe you had a one-off bad experience. Their service is decent and their aircraft is new (they have an Airbus A350 but I don't think it flies in and around Africa). Other companies have aircraft that are at least 10 to 15 years old and simple things like seat recline and headphone jacks don't work. Not to forget the bad in-flight entertainment while still being around $1000 for a flight from Dakar to Accra (not even direct).
But there often isn't non-flight competition, ie the roads and rail are bad enough to put people off using them, or the distances are too long. Then you get into price-matching as mentioned in the video.
Meanwhile in Europe a flight of similar distance (Sofia - London Liton) USUALLY costs about $60 thanks to Wizz Air and Ryan Air.
Thank god for Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair! People give them shit, but they made flying accessible for everyone in Europe and that’s a massive accomplishment.
I really love watching these videos after a rough or tiring day. Something about them is really soothing.
I never thought it would be so interesting to know about the flight industry, but I'm starting to love all your videos, especially the ones when you talk about planes and this industry in general.
The airline mayhem even made its way yet again through another year...
Lets keep it this way.
So, does this mean I can buy a return ticket and purposely skip the return flight, thus saving money on a one-way trip?
Yep, people do it all the time.
Ok, I found about 3 other people saying the exact same thing in this comment section
Most airlines are starting to price round trip the same as 2 one ways now though. They have caught onto it
If we find out you are doing this we cancel your PNR on the spot. It is against our contract of carriage.
Absolutely. ..have done that so many times
When you are actually interested in a product placement for once but it's country restricted.
One of my friends is slowly teaching me how to game the system. From what I understand, he makes purchases with Amex, which he can then redeem for British Airways points. The British Airways redemption scheme happens to have a sweet spot that allows him to fly along the east coast of Australia (where we both live), for dirt cheap prices. Effectively, he flies business class for $30 more than economy on a Sydney to Brisbane or Melbourne trip, and vice versa. If he wanted to do Sydney to Perth, outside of BA’s redemption sweet spot, he’d use his Alaska Airlines points, redeemed the same way, to the same effect.
Long and the short of it is that my friend has worked out the system enough that he can fly whenever he wants (booking flights a few days not weeks in advance), and flies business class for about 30 bucks more, and has all the business lounge perks (unlimited free drinks, food, etc). He flew me up to Cairns, a 3 hour flight, and rented a car, for a week, and had me drive him around, because he hasn’t got a license or car, because it was cheaper and he wanted to see the sights. *i literally got a free holiday and got to drive around for a week doing whatever we wanted, because he worked out that this was cheaper than Ubering everywhere* ...he’s really got all this worked out. It’s mesmerising.
Y’all about to hit 1 mil 😭 this is my favorite educational channel. I’m happy for y’all 🤓
This guy can make anything sound interesting. I swear I dont care about planes, still watched all his videos.
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Holy.. I left one of the Wendover video playing and went to sleep... I had this non stop airline pricing lecture in my dream...
XD, underrated comment
*Congratulations on hitting 1 Million Subscribers*
Who wins in these price wars? Well my dear consumer… you do.
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no ... actually 93rd but 1st sounds better
Finally some planes
I think wendover production should make a aviation history channel!
Fare class Y is the base economy class -- the economy cabin is called the Y cabin (business is J, first is F), and other economy fares are like 'sub types' of Y. So, a flight with 180 seats in the Y cabin will have a maximum availability of 180 Y fares (on the native platform, via the GDS there are much smaller availabilities set for every fare class). But even on the native booking platform other fare classes may also be numerically restricted in availability, e.g. maybe only 7 class N.
Also with the New York to Dublin flight, the airline will incur more fees than a intra-continental flight across the USA, so get fare will always reflect those fees too.
10:55 No there's a second choice. I remember how a few years ago Google Maps told me to use a Jetski to cross the Atlantic.
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This is the most irrelevant comment with so many hits I have ever seen. I was just trying to be the first to comment on the video. Ended up at 24 position.
"it wouldn't make any sense for anyone to fly a budget airline like WestJet over Air Canada" oh, how wrong you are... I have never had a problem flying WestJet, and I've never been on an air Canada flight that hasn't had an issue.
West Jet are a CON... Using old B.767s, plus most worn out dangerous B.737s From Toronto - to London (Gatwick).. Air Transat are way ahead + cheaper on this journey... 23kg luggage + free meals in economy
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They dont have it over in europe but i there are similar services in every country and i highly recommend this concept
The explanation of why a one way ticket is more expensive based on the minimum stay requirements does not make sense. He says "because the airline does not know how long the pax is going to stay at the destination, it falls into the highest price category". The whole point is to price cheaper for leisure travelers. But flying one-way does not identify you neither as business nor as leisure traveler. Business and leisure tend to book return tickets, so this criteria is not discriminating. So there must be another cause for the high price of one-way tickets.
Congrats on 1 million subscribers
Such a brilliant explanation of price discrimination. Loved it! 🙂
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I needed this, thanks! I’m too poor to pay the full prices.
Here is something I encountered that I have extensively researched yet still cannot find a reason a reason for. I wanted to travel from Pittsburgh international to Pu Dong airport in Shanghai, the flight had a connector in Detroit as I was flying delta. Out of curiosity I decided to see how much that flight was if I were to simply drive to Detroit and fly out from there. The flight cost 600 more dollars to fly out from Detroit. So it cost 600 less dollars to fly with 2 planes than 1 (And there was not a wait time between flights) also having my wife use her Chinese account to purchase the same flight for me from China cost 300 less than purchasing from the USA even though it was the same starting and destination and the same dates and times. Also this was checked after I checked the price on my side. This never made sense to me but we always use the Chinese account through a VPN now to buy tickets when flying to China as they are always cheaper.
These videos are so well produced. You do such a great job on your research too. Every detail is looked into and analyzed. On top of that you do a great job relaying the information to the audience. Really enjoy your videos. Thanks!
Never clicked so fast away from porn.
Leonard Szabo what about when someone walks in on you
You mean TO porn. Airplane porn.
2:19 I call price fixing, not price matching.
"in their best interests" ;)
Never realized planes were so fucking complicated.
Congratulations on reaching 1,000,000 subscribers, @Wendover Productions!
The pricing buckets are also smart because they help to manage risk. If you're price sensitive, you book a flight in advance because it's the cheapest, and you won't cancel because of a) fees, and b) a new booking closer to the day is more expensive. Thus, lower classes people pay less but they're quite dependable as customers. Meanwhile, you never know when a rich person going on a trip will decide to use your services, so the risk is higher. This is reflected in the price. As Wendover said, it's quite a genius pricing mechanism 🙌🏽🎊
It actually sounds like it completely screws over the small businessman. If you don't work for a large company that can easily afford paying these fares for many of their employees(It's still expensive), travel will be a very serious cost for your business. I know there can't be that many cases like this, but this "We make you pay what we think you can based on these assumptions." strategy definitely screws someone over.
Not really. They simply find the exact balance to get everyone's business. That is the beauty of capitalism. What actually happens is not that the small business man gets screwed, but rather the big company springs for business class because they can afford it. I work for a smaller company and travel a lot for them as well as know people in large companies who travel for them. Do the research before you say it sounds bad. It's simply business as it should happen.
Bill the client for travel.
5:41 When you see a camera in public
Notification squad.
Also Wendover put up another airplane video!
i dont even have notifications on
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Great video, some of it confirms something things I knew. Such as each year we fly from New England to Florida and the difference between flying out on the Monday vs Tuesday or Wednesday for the same flight and time ends up being half. Been that way for years. THANKS for the additional information.
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Excellent video, but I feel that you're missing one important point about the cost of flying international, which are taxes and international tax etc.
Jason S not necessarily just taxes but overflight fees. He has a video about those.
The "fare code" you refer to is the RBD - Reservation Booking Designator, also known as the booking class. Not to be confused with cabin class.
how refreshing, no forced and incredibly annoying segway into a sponsored add this time, just a regular cut and add, why cant you do this all the time
The first 4 comments were people claiming to be first
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Wendover video? SMASH THE NOTIFICATION
In India , Delhi India to mumbai :
Low cost carrier : $40
Full service airline:$60
Economy class , booking 2 weeks before departure. Competition in India is fierce than USA
the one i find most perplexing is flights from houston to manila on singapore air - i fly the first leg to singapore, layover and change planes onward to manila - however if i want to stay in singapore, round trip tickets to singapore, which theoretically saves SIA the total second 4 hour flight will cost me anywhere from 100-300 dollars more - first rule of sales - don't leave a nickel on the table and charge as much as the market will bare
Yay another airline video
How do they price Toyota Corollas?!
What is the difference between price matching and a cartel from a legal standpoint?
In a cartel, prices are mutually agreed upon beforehand.
In price matching, it happens after the fact, i.e. all sellers adjust their prices to those of the competition. Nothing actually stops e.g. Delta from going lower - except the knowledge that if they did this, it would lead to a race to the bottom that isn't in their interest. Therefore, prices balance out at a relatively low level that is acceptable to all participants.
At least in theory. In practice, the line is quite thin. To fall under anti-trust law, it'd have to be proven that they mutually fixed those prices in advance, and that's often not easy to do.
varana312 That makes sense. Thanks :)
Exactly what varana said, there's a very grey area between price matching and collusion (which is illegal). However, it's never easy to accuse companies, especially in a market with such high barriers to entry like the airplane industry, of collusion. At some point or another it's always going to end up looking like collusion in one way or another, because (and this is the exact reason why it's illegal) companies need to find out the maximum point at which customers will pay within the margins of what they should be charging for lower demand flights, like Wendover explained.
In Canada, it cost $300 from Edmonton to Toronto one way. And if your flying from US to europe, it only cost $380 Round trip.
Everything on BOTH channels is informative stuff.
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I feel like I have seen this already...
Part of the official training course for airport staff?
Yo dude. What happened to the train videos?
Nice shot of Lincoln Park Airport (N07) in New Jersey!
And then there was a route from Prague to Vienna for 500 $ (around 350 Kilometres). However, when you go from Prague to for example Innsbruck via Vienna then this two tickets cost around 65 $ (500 Kilometres). It is with same airlines- Austrian Airlines.