I fought in the same National Golden Gloves Tournament at a lower weight. Ayala’s room was a couple of doors down from mine and almost every night his friends/teammates would put his arms around their shoulders and practically dragged him to his room drunk. He got up everyday and won every fight the next day until he won the championship. He was only 16 and won the Nationals after being drunk every night before! He had great talent and power. He had at least 3 brothers who were all great fighters too. R.I.P. Ayala
Interesting story! My grand father was Henry Mendez, he told me back then he and Tonys father begged him to stay away from the parts and girls. Daily.....he would not. My Pepaw went on to train Donald Curry, Paulie Ayala, and other great fighters from Texas and he always says Tony was a monster that couldnt be contained, he had demons. Also said he was one of the greatest natural fighters he ever worked with. What a shame.
He was Crazy fool in and out of the ring he was doing heroin when he was boxing some fights him and his brother Mike admitted it he was a Bad dude too..But he couldnt never win when he was fighting the man in the mirror so sad.
I remember him in the Bexar County jail as he was quiet and respectful to the Guards. All the inmates knew he was a badass fighter and not to mess with him.
Wow, that was no ordinary TH-cam video. I grew up a sports fan, boxing included, and spent many Thursday night, Friday night, and Saturdays watching the fighters of the day come up the ranks, Mancini, Bogner, Curry, Limon, Edwards, Sanchez and all the champions, as well as, Tony Ayala. Some battles you never win and Tony was fighting some of those battles.
This channel and Rummys corner are the best two boxing channels on the internet in my opinion. I am 68yrs old and boxed as an amateur in the UK for 4 years in my youth and have been a boxing lover for many decades now! I also studied martial arts, 15yrs in TKD reaching 3rd dan, 2 years in Judo and 3yrs in Shotokan karate. I have been asked many times what martial art is the best and although a lot depends on the individual, not the art, I firmly believe that boxing is the most effective due to the speed and power of the punches and the fact boxers spar with full contact on a regular basis
Draining to watch. I remember Tony and what a skilled heavy handed (you could hear his punches) fighter he was. As a fan, I felt frustration with the waste of a great talent. What a tragic life and how awful for his victims. Thanks Rich for another great documentary.
Ike Ibeabuchi came to this same fate and it's always sad to see the wasted talent, scum is scum however and all the talent in the world can't wash it away. Prayers to their victims.
I watched him in the 80s. He was in the top ten when he was 17 years old. Before he screwed up his career, he was set to fight for the title against Davey Moore. The last time he lost a fight was in the amateurs when he was 8 years old. Duran got the title shot and the rest is history.
Yeah I was Davey Moore fan but looking back on that now Big Tony really fuck#d up at that time I don't even think Duran wanted any smoke and Davey while a flashy puncher had a defense like swiss cheese full of holes and Ayala would have gotten to em yeah he really messed that up
antonio rich your dead right he was bad just bad .The women were the victims and that`s it .Boxing has always had bad men in it the same as every sport
I requested you do a tony Ayala Jr a week ago and you DELIVERED !! What a dark and twisted tale of wasted talent of a man who fought his toughest opponents 24/7 his own demons .
Quickly becoming my most watched channel on TH-cam. Thank you for a great video. I celebrated six years clean in narcotics anonymous December 28. I previously had been trying to get clean since 1992. Sad to see this guy not make it. The disease of addiction is a beast.
Nice one dude I know what you went through to get where you are & how you are fighting every damn day trying to stay away from temptation stay strong ✌️
He had the "it" factor. He was must see TV. You can't teach what He had as far as heart self belief and toughness but was extremely skilled and polished too. His whole aura exuded darkness. His eyes gave away his soul. Dark soul
Thanks Rich-another fine job of filling in the details from the very interesting, and sometimes tragic lives of these extraordinary athletes. Sad and inspiring at the same time.
This guy had more apologists willing to make more excuses than anyone I've ever seen. "To hell and back " would have been a more fitting motto for those women.
@@theparalexview785 There is a sickness, it's rare, but it exists and alcohol is the trigger. No excuses he's dead and I'd put a bullet in him if he raped my daughter but he suffered from some form of numerological damage that alcohol turned him into someone that didn't know what the fuck he was doing. He's dead so it's pointless tough talking him!!!
……as a SA boy I remember the Ayalas well. Tony and his brothers owned the boxing scene in SA back in the day. Such a glorious time. Unfortunately, his demons got to him and we never got to see what could have been with potential fights with Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. May he RIP…..✊🏾
This guy was one of my favorites growing up! He disappeared from the boxing scene and while watching a Duran fight, the commentator mentioned the match that never happened because he was arrested. I always wondered what happened to Ayala. I knew he would have become a great champion. Once again, you’ve done a fantastic job bringing this guy back so we could see him once more, and now, we know the full story. Thank you Rich! 😎🐜
@@jonbathurst953 This guy would've been tailor made for Duran, I'm sorry. The shelling and counterpunching? Duran would've given him so many angles it would make him dizzy.
I grew up in San Antonio. And my dad was a huge boxing fan. He took me to see him at a Golden Gloves tournament in the 70s and the entire arena roared when El Torito fought. He was well loved. And had tons of support. It’s sad to see what he became. He fought demons his entire life. I wish we could’ve seen what he might’ve become.
Heck….we probably sat next to each other a time or two. I was a regular at the SA golden glove tournaments. I saw all the Ayalas come up the ranks via the GG’s. Such a glorious time in The SA boxing scene. I was front and center at the Mike Ayala / Danny ‘Little Red’ Lopez fight. Such a great fight.
The fights he could've had in his prime 1980's to mid 90's Tony Ayala Jr Vs Hands of Stone Tony Ayala Jr Vs Sugar Ray Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Hit Man Tony Ayala Jr Vs Marvellous Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Body Snatcher Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Hawk Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Blade Tony Ayala Jr Vs Dark Destroyer Tony Ayala Jr Vs Second to Nunn Tony Ayala Jr Vs Lights Out Tony Ayala Jr Vs R.J Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Executioner All potential Barn Burners. Great Vid!.......another Pulitzer.
I enjoy these documentaries. I grew up in the late 70s and 80s and the boxing was at the height. My brother and I would always find money to buy a boxing magazine. We didn`t have the net, but we bought magazines and maybe catch a world class match on Wide World of Sports. I was young and I remember not understanding why Tony Ayala Jr would waste his career with drugs, alcohol and how he acted out with sex I do now.
Rich your work continues to be outstanding. The best boxing documentaries I have seen in 51 years of following this glorious but often harrowing sport. The damage he did to his victims cannot be understated or forgotten nor what he did to himself. Despite his horrific crimes his last message was in a way redemptive because he called for something that is very much needed. May God grant healing and all that is good in life to his victims. A true cautionary tale. Rich, please lets us know how we can send financial assistance to your channel.
Being from San Antonio I remember this guy as well as his brother Mike, they were on a path to becoming great boxer's, both of them fell well short of the glory, and just like Michael Jackson when he was on top of the world his father could have won the father of the year award, but as soon as they started doing bizzare things they blame the father, the Ayla family wasn't no difference, as soon as Tony started doing crazy shit, he attacked his father, he would tell horror stories of their father verbally and physically abusing them well before their pre- teen years, when thier father died you could see the family was very divided tony looked very awkward being at the funeral and didn't even dress appropriately for it, and relatives was distant from him, very sad story.
I watched this guy back in the 80s. I always was impressed by him in the ring but the more that came out about him the more I hated him. True monster. Really a shame
I've known men and women who have been in and out of prison their whole teenage and adult life! Very wellspoken, very,very intelligent! They just couldn't stay away from drugs and alcohol and did very, very stupid things that just didn't make any sense at all. I watched Tony come up in the early 80S and always thought he would be one of the best! Sad what happens when you can't control your demon's 👊
Like the saying goes....Temptation is a motherf****! The older I get, the more clearly I see... the thing that separates the Great from the Good is discipline. Discipline isn't easy to come by in a young person. Let alone a young person with some money!
I was one of these one.. Very good at school but fucked up my studies because i wasn't interested in studying but more on girls, partying and drugs.. What a waste ! I think about it often, while having a good job, unbelivable wife and kids ! Allways about the what if ?
@@frenchgoldenboyfan You can't compare yourself to an Sexual Felon. Tony was a serial rapist. Do not put yourself into that category. I am sure you may slip or hopefully not when it comes to "partying" but what he did was rape. You don't slip up and rape....again and again
Really enjoy your documentaries Rich. I had a former co-worker, who was working at East Jersey State Prison (AKA Rahway) when Ayala transferred there in either 90 or 91. They had a very good boxing program there, as you know. My coworker said that when Ayala went up to the Drill Hall (the prison gymnasium) to spar, he was tearing guys up. Apparently, custody told him his sparring days were over at that point. Lol He was way out of the boxing team's league.
Great documentary. We rivaled the Ayala’s boxing team Numerous times. (Westside YMCA) even if it was just sparring or competing we knew it was going to be tough. We never backed off but respected each other . ( most of the time 😂) ✝️🇺🇸🥊 Coach Mando from the Alamo City. Great Memories.
Give me a break! Roberto Duran was a master defensive boxer. This dude was an amazing puncher, but that was about it. He was a limited flat footed come ahead brawler that would've been exposed by a fighter with a decent defense!
I love going on lunchbreak and seeing you made an upload please never stop covering these unknown fighters ive learned so much and enjoy these immensely
@Rich the Fight Historian I second what C.J. said and i would add this; If it weren't for your passion and hard work, these stories would go untold and hidden from today's fight fans. You are punching way above your weight per usual Rich. Thanks for what you do, it's important!
Well put and we’ll done. Thanks Rich. FWIW I thought Torito did another stretch in TDC for violating his burglary parole? Right before he got out and realized he was a pariah at the end.
I was an amateur Boxer at the San Fernando gym in 1981. I was invited to train their by Mike Ayala, Tony Ayala's older brother. I never got to spar with him because I'm a southpaw and he wasnt facing any southpaws. Before one of my fights I got into an altercation in a nearby town outside San Antonio and I hurt my right knuckles with the other guys teeth. Tony Ayala Sr. advised me that he wasnt wasting his time on street fighters and not to train there no more. I know Mike, Tony, Sammy and Paulie Ayala personally.
I can't freaking believe there isnt one person, with the means, out there who will remaster all the classic fights. Am i the only one who see the value in that? Come on Mike Tyson where u at....
I had to wait to get time enough to see this video when it was uploaded nearly nine months ago. But it was worth the wait and now I see why. The plight of El Torito (and his victims) is filled with tragedy. From such a young full of talent and promise it was obviously built of enough pain and suffering to end a career there. But for every punch that El Torito dished out he found himself on the end of a criminal one straight back at him. Another incredible and sad tale of life in boxing.
First real good video I've seen about Ayala! From the early the eighties I've been reading about him. He had something intriguing. It makes you wonder how an intelligent guy, who had the world at his feet, could've/would've been a world champion with tens of millions in the bank, wasted his life and talent completely.
@@jackantwon9639 It wouldn’t surprise me if you are one of those law abiding god fearing religious nutters .! If you look back in history and it’s still happening today religion has caused more deaths,raping and pillaging than any diseases put together, plus Jack wanton (Antwon) destruction of peoples lives regardless of their race, colour, or creed. More than the Tony Ayala Jr’s of this world. What he did do was despicable beyond words. But the sinners are winners. As long as they go to confession, 10 Hail Marys and life goes on to repeat their dastardly deeds, all in the name of the big fella upstairs. There is no excuse whatsoever for what he did, but being sexually abused as a child is horrific, as it must have been for the victims of his truly vile actions. He served his time, I wonder how many priests served any jail time.? And all in the name of god. So the next time you get up on your high horse, think of the children who suffered under god’s servants.
I always love reading commentaries from arm chair judges who probably all lived privileged protected lives. PTSD is real and Tony, from a very young age, was bullied and whose father was excessively brutal to him. If anyone should have served time, it was Tony’s father. PTSD is a time bomb that detonated at a time when there would be no support for Tony. Tony never had children because of memories of his parents growing up. Tony paid his debt to society and life. Try to remember judges, we are all products of the environments we were born into.
One of boxing's greatest wasted talents. A fantastic piece of work, incredible documentary, been waiting for a story on Tony Ayala for a few decades. I'm old enough to have actually bought the Ring magazine that had him on the cover. An evil, troubled but talented man. His comeback at an advanced age was pitiful to watch. Along with Ike Ikebeauchi , these are two of the most troubled pro boxers ever (A possible piece of work on Ike next Sir ? ).
THIS WAS STUNNING. I’m sitting here minutes after watching this, and I’m numbed..Anaya was never a fighter that I rooted for back in the day, but I totally respected what he could do in the ring..he was a BEAST. I remember following his career after his release from prison, but after his (second) loss, I lost interest. But I will NEVER forget what a monster he was in his prime, and I will always wonder who would have won between Anaya and Duran. THANK YOU for making this documentary, sir, it was BEYOND EXCELLENT.
Oh, that's an easy answer, Duran. People romanticize how great Ayala was. He got caught too much by average fighters. God knows how bad Hearns would have tore him up. Dont get me wrong, he was talented, but nowhere near the elite level that he sometimes get placed on
@@jonmeans2637 you see nonbixing fans do that all the time case and point see mike Tyson he came along at the end of holmes who is one of if not the most underappreciated and dosent really get the place in history he should you are spot on about the very evil Ayala Duran would eat his best shot like it was absolutely nothing he would've have destroyed his ego in such away that more than likely his boxing skills would have only been used on women after that everyone only rembers no mas but he didn't quit bcuz of pain he got tired of chaseing lenord and figured out he had wrong plan Duran was a very strategic boxer on a side note not many realize he actually becasme a world champion again after the no mas fight noticed nobody said anything about Chavez lol
@@walterseverin1520 I have to go with Hearns. Short aggressive fighters usually came off badly. But Ayala could get under his shots and get close but I have to favour Hearns despite Ayala being the most gifted teenager I have ever seen in a ring.
I don't condone nor condemn Bad choices Yes we have a choice We are responsible for our actions in public Some just have that troubled soul They are bound to self destruct
Superb as always Rich. Teddy Atlas is the toughest armchair warrior in the history of boxing. Nobody loses a fight without that idiot calling them a quitter.
Great documentary. I remember the up and coming Tony Ayala. I was a fan, watching him stalk his opponent similar to Tyson’s style. Ayala before his demons ruined him was a perfect boxer-puncher, going to the body, uppercuts, hooks, he was a complete fighter. That said, it’s a very sad story.
Just a comment. I grew up in the neighborhood by the Ayala family. Lots of demons and people chasing the dragon. But no one is perfect and that’s in the past. Not sure if any of the brothers had a chance to live a normal life. Big Tony kept them out of high school and they were training full time by the eighth grade instead of going to class. He liked to use the “pit bull” analogy and talk about training them to attack. At least that’s my recollection. Tough way to grow up. Never heard about Paulie or Sammy. I think Mike is working at Palo Alto College and was recently voted into a local sports hall of fame. I wish them all well.
A friend is a cousin of the Ayalas. Severely dysfunctional family and abuse. But the older brother Mike survived the same stuff and wasn't a monster who inflicted his pain on other victims. Tony looked good against mediocre competition, but he never was and never would have been a world class middleweight, certainly never an all time great. In his comeback, which he also screwed up, he was outclassed by Yori Boy Campas, a solid but not spectacular fighter who was always a gatekeeper but lost to elite level all time greats. Ayala was never in that class. He had good fundamentals but was not a particularly skilled in-fighter, and showed no ability to adapt mid-fight.
The brother Mike fought 3 times for a world title. Came up short in the 15th rd against Danny Lopez which was voted RING magazine’s fight of the year in 79’. He was a 2 time NABF champ and went on to have a successful air conditioning buisness.
Hey Rich, fantastic job! I'm trying to catch up on all of your videos and am currently binge watching them! I was wondering if you could possibly make a documentary on George Chuvalo, as I did not see one on him as of yet. His story is so inspiring and he was a great boxer with an iron chin who didn't have any quit in him.
Not yet. He'd be a lot further down the road as there has been a documentary (maybe more than one) on him. I'd have to see if I could add anything more to it.
What a story, brilliant mini documentary about a fighter I’d only heard about briefly because of his ferocity. Troubled life from an early age, a familiar story for many fighters. Great editing and research with a very sad ending.
I remember sneaking into Freeman Coliseum to see him fight. Was someone I looked up to and still respect in death. I grew up on the other side of Pan Am expressway. I understand the troubles he had and battles he fought. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. Those who judge will be judged likewise. Thank you for the video. Respect to the Ayala family.
Exactly. People love to point the finger but forget that we are ALL sinners. I HATE rapists and child molesters - BUT - it's not up to me or any other human to judge anyone. Lock them up and forget them, and may God have mercy on all of us.
I always think of the Ayala brothers and the Hilton brothers together. Two families of boxers who looked like they would create dynasties,but drugs,alcohol and crime destroyed that possibility
He had it made on this earth to be a king but self arrogance and pride plus stupidity just screwed himself in this life and the next one just think God I was a Davey Moore fan but Tony was ruthlessly devastating in his prime how he beat the brakes off of Robbie Epps man he had his head going like a crash test dummy! DM was a young flashy champion but his defense was like Swiss cheese and more than likely to beat him the man had a wife and still goes to rape a women before fighting for the title is beyond everyone but him yo!
I used to train with Ayala when he was coming up at Costellos gym in N.J. I was also Bobby Cyzz’s sparring partner when he fought Mustafa Hamsho. James Hard Rock Green was also there along with Livingston Bramble and Rocky Lockridge. This was while fighting under Main events promotions 1983 and 1984. Lou Duva used to pick us up at a motel we stayed at 8am every morning to run in a park.
@@OldSchoolStrength Yes I did Old School. All around south Florida from 1996 to 2000. Had to quit due to joint issues and Rotator cuff shoulder problems.
My grandfather thought it would be a good idea for me to go a few rounds with world champ Bill Backus at a Utica NY gym. Kept my fists to myself after that.
@@jamesdorsey.9528 I remember the fights on youtube and Ron Lipton saying you was a tough tough dude. Did you ever spar Ayala Jr? What can you say about his training routine / Sparring? thanks 👊🔥
@@OldSchoolStrength Thanks for your comment. Ron is a good friend of mine. He trained at Floyd’s gym for a few months during the seventies.One hell of a puncher and a good fighter he was! No I never sparred with Tony. He was a weight class under me. He was a jr middleweight about 154.I was a super middleweight coming in at about 167. Bobby Cyzz and I used to have wars in that ring at Costellos gym. The problem was they made me put on these heavy gloves about 18 oz’s or more. Bobby’s gloves were much less. 10 or 12 oz! Kind of pissed me off because wearing those heavier gloves slowed my hands down and obviously had much less effect on whomever I sparred with. Tony’s training regimen to be honest I never paid much attention to him or his dad who was there at the gym. I watched him shadow box,jump rope and spar with I think Johnnny Bumpcity Bumphus who was at the gym back then. So was Rocky Lockridge who was a great awesome humble fighter. Rocky I think had his own sparring partners.
Just a quick note to say thank you Rich the Fight Historian - there is A LOT of boxing channels - but this is certainly one of the best - its content always different and interesting....some real deep stuff.......and puts a lot of true pros in some much deserved limelight....I wanted you to know that your work is much appreciated.
I agree this was a great piece of boxing history with no spin and no agenda. The OP Rich doesn’t do his subscribers (I’m now one) a disservice by trying to cast Tony as a villain or a tortured soul. So much pain in this story. Not surprised Stallone wanted to make it into a movie. Sometimes genetics and environment conspire to create evil and sometimes greatness. Sometimes albeit rarely, both are made in the same person. No one wakes up in the morning saying I want to ruin my life and opportunities and hurt women in the process. Ayala hated himself and I’m glad I don’t have his head full of bad wiring. I’ve been through the same substance issues but didn’t hurt women or assault anyone ever. I’ll take my issues over his. I don’t condone or forgive, but I don’t condemn the man either. It’s not my place to do so. I’ll leave the judgement in God and the jury’s hands and just enjoy the fantastic piece of sports history. Before you come at me either, the man did 16 years for his crime. I think he paid a heavy price. I say that without diminishing the pain his victim went through, but 16 years and the loss of your career seems like an appropriate sentence for sexual assault. I believe he tried to become a better man. No one can fake it that long, BUT return a man to the same world where he committed his crimes immediately upon his release and wow real shock he went down a similar path! He should’ve been nowhere near that slimy boxing world with promoters, strippers and hangers on yes men who care nothing about his recovery🤷♂️
@@RichtheFightHistorian I am often wrong Rich - but one thing I am fairly sure is right is that its important to acknowledge and pay respect to people who are making positive and constructive contributions and your certainly doing that imho. I eat up your content - and really appreciate the integrity with which you approach your work - its the true reality of boxing, portrayed superbly. I think its REALLY important to present that aspect of the incredible sport we love to the world - and it's particularly important to shine a light on some of those who's endeavours and talent weren't met with the reward it perhaps deserved at the time. I've put quite a few of the older heads who knock about the gym in my town onto your channel. Again - your work is much appreciated brother 👍
He did horrific things to people, in response to what was horrifically done to him as a child, by the person who allegedly violated him and how his own father treated him . In NO way does it excuse what he did and why he did it, but there is always a root to what becomes a problem.
What a great channel. Kudos to you brother. I love the research put into these videos. I remember Ayala and he was a monster in the ring. Unfortunately, he became a monster outside the ring. I grew up in the 80’s and probably watched every fight that was ever shown lol. ESPN Friday night fights. USA network Tuesday night fights although they changed the day over the years. My Dad was Mexican and he lived at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles. He loved boxing. His favourite was Ruben Olivares. Anyway man, love what you are doing. Subscribed.
Ayala Sr sounds a lot like Jack Quarry. Thanks for another great video and I saw every one of Ayala Jr's fights back in the day and was a huge fan of his fighting style. Too bad his life turned out like it did. so sad.
Wow Rich, another great video. Had heard of Ayala, but didn't know his story. He was highly intellegent with many demons. Hard to reconcile the Man when he speaks, to the crimes that he was acussed of. A sad tale of a great fighter. Again thanks!!!
Just found your channel and subscribed - excellent content and commentary - thank you. I am working my way thorough your archived videos. This weekends bout in Vegas (Leo Santa Cruz) will mark my 61st year of watch live boxing - first live bout was seeing Carmen Basilio in 1961!
Great video documentary. Sad that his family, trainer nor promoter could steer him away from horrible decisions outside the ring. He was a natural puncher, could have been an all time great.
He was an amazing puncher, but that was about it. He was a limited flat footed come ahead brawler that would've been exposed by a fighter with a decent defense!
Rich, well done depiction of the story of a can't miss prospect who imploded because of his inner demons . The story of his comeback and his seeming rehabilitation only to misstep again is a sad one.
I almost didn't watch this but the quality of your work deserves the view. I remember the day Tony was arrested for rape in 1983. My dad, who was a big fight fan, saw it on the news and just lost his shit lol. It wasn't funny, obviously., It was a horrible crime and the beginning of the end to a career that had great promise. Like many boxers with similar stories, I am torn between feeling sadness for them and just wanting to forget about them altogether. I guess the best we can do is remember that we all have a prime, a stretch of life where the future is bright and beautiful but which doesn't last forever. I don't know. This was tough to watch. Excellent work. I need a drink now lol
Great video I think we all was curious when Tony got out to see how far he could go and what he had left but campas a good solid fighter showed us he wasn’t the same. Shame seeing such talent wasted nothing worse and obviously a barbaric man but a famous story thanks for the production as always rich great viewing!!
@@RichtheFightHistorian Hey Rich I wrote a story about a part of Ali’s life that even Thomas Hauser, Ali’s biographer was unaware of. He actually edited it for me and helped me get it published. Any chance you’d be willing to take a look at it to see if it would make a decent video? It’s only about a page and a half.
@@randycook1316 I looked up the story. You wrote about Major Coxson and Ali? It is quite interesting but it would appeal more to fans of True Crime/Mafia stories. Good stuff but my plate is still full with the old time fighters.
My dad told me about him but never saw anything about him til now. Sad story. He definitely could've been a champion. And I could see him having exciting fights with the best guys of that era. So much talent, but he got kod by the party life smh
I fought in the same National Golden Gloves Tournament at a lower weight. Ayala’s room was a couple of doors down from mine and almost every night his friends/teammates would put his arms around their shoulders and practically dragged him to his room drunk. He got up everyday and won every fight the next day until he won the championship. He was only 16 and won the Nationals after being drunk every night before! He had great talent and power. He had at least 3 brothers who were all great fighters too. R.I.P. Ayala
Interesting, thanks for sharing.
Fortunately, the story had a happy ending. Too bad that girl didn't kill him with that gun.
Interesting story! My grand father was Henry Mendez, he told me back then he and Tonys father begged him to stay away from the parts and girls. Daily.....he would not. My Pepaw went on to train Donald Curry, Paulie Ayala, and other great fighters from Texas and he always says Tony was a monster that couldnt be contained, he had demons. Also said he was one of the greatest natural fighters he ever worked with. What a shame.
He was Crazy fool in and out of the ring he was doing heroin when he was boxing some fights him and his brother Mike admitted it he was a Bad dude too..But he couldnt never win when he was fighting the man in the mirror so sad.
Rapists reincarnate as women to experience the same suffering they caused. Cosmic Law. 😀
I remember him in the Bexar County jail as he was quiet and respectful to the Guards. All the inmates knew he was a badass fighter and not to mess with him.
He couldn't bond out because he violated parole right? I wonder how long he was there before he got resentenced. I wonder if He was a trustee lol
Wow, that was no ordinary TH-cam video. I grew up a sports fan, boxing included, and spent many Thursday night, Friday night, and Saturdays watching the fighters of the day come up the ranks, Mancini, Bogner, Curry, Limon, Edwards, Sanchez and all the champions, as well as, Tony Ayala. Some battles you never win and Tony was fighting some of those battles.
Well said "Some battles he couldn't win."
This channel and Rummys corner are the best two boxing channels on the internet in my opinion. I am 68yrs old and boxed as an amateur in the UK for 4 years in my youth and have been a boxing lover for many decades now! I also studied martial arts, 15yrs in TKD reaching 3rd dan, 2 years in Judo and 3yrs in Shotokan karate. I have been asked many times what martial art is the best and although a lot depends on the individual, not the art, I firmly believe that boxing is the most effective due to the speed and power of the punches and the fact boxers spar with full contact on a regular basis
Draining to watch. I remember Tony and what a skilled heavy handed (you could hear his punches) fighter he was. As a fan, I felt frustration with the waste of a great talent. What a tragic life and how awful for his victims. Thanks Rich for another great documentary.
Yeah, you could the thump of his punches, particularly that left hook to the body. Thanks for the watch, uncjim.
Thanks for the videos Rich
Big left hand by Tony Ayala.he's wrecking Herrera's body with heavy Left hooks that are Hurting Herrera's rib cage...those are bombs.
Ike Ibeabuchi came to this same fate and it's always sad to see the wasted talent, scum is scum however and all the talent in the world can't wash it away. Prayers to their victims.
@@charlesbr7684 Ike was a monster!
I watched him in the 80s. He was in the top ten when he was 17 years old. Before he screwed up his career, he was set to fight for the title against Davey Moore. The last time he lost a fight was in the amateurs when he was 8 years old. Duran got the title shot and the rest is history.
Yeah I was Davey Moore fan but looking back on that now Big Tony really fuck#d up at that time I don't even think Duran wanted any smoke and Davey while a flashy puncher had a defense like swiss cheese full of holes and Ayala would have gotten to em yeah he really messed that up
The only sad thing about this is the women’s lives he ruined.No sympathy for this thug at all .
Well said ! the only worthwhile thing he ever did was end his life and finally give some peace to his poor suffering victims.
I recall that cretin Michael Katz defending Ayala, even wrote in his column that he would let him babysit his teenage daughter!! Talk about a moron...
antonio rich your dead right he was bad just bad .The women were the victims and that`s it .Boxing has always had bad men in it the same as every sport
I guess we can say the same about Carlos Monzon , Edwin Valero and Jack Blackburn Joe Louis trainer . People were actually murdered .
Very well said. An evil horrible man. Rotting in Hell.
I requested you do a tony Ayala Jr a week ago and you DELIVERED !! What a dark and twisted tale of wasted talent of a man who fought his toughest opponents 24/7 his own demons .
Absolutely' We all must gain the skills and determination, to defeat our demons to live our lives well!
Quickly becoming my most watched channel on TH-cam. Thank you for a great video. I celebrated six years clean in narcotics anonymous December 28. I previously had been trying to get clean since 1992. Sad to see this guy not make it. The disease of addiction is a beast.
Congrats on being clean. God bless you and keep going forward
Thanks, Rice. Keep up the fight.
Thank you all
Great job 👍
Nice one dude I know what you went through to get where you are & how you are fighting every damn day trying to stay away from temptation stay strong ✌️
He had the "it" factor. He was must see TV. You can't teach what He had as far as heart self belief and toughness but was extremely skilled and polished too. His whole aura exuded darkness. His eyes gave away his soul. Dark soul
This is the one I've been waiting for. As always, just a superlative job Rich. Thnk you.
Sure thing, testacy.
Clicked on this vid thinking I might watch the first few seconds or minutes...ended up watching til the very end...great job👏
Thank you, V Gee.
Thanks Rich-another fine job of filling in the details from the very interesting, and sometimes tragic lives of these extraordinary athletes. Sad and inspiring at the same time.
Sure thing, Ray.
@Martin You don't know that. Nobody knows.
This guy had more apologists willing to make more excuses than anyone I've ever seen. "To hell and back " would have been a more fitting motto for those women.
Agreed.
Yup. Lots of people survive the shit Tony Ayala endured, including his older brother Mike, and don't inflict their pain on other victims.
Even with his past
And yes he raped
But one thing that can be
Said is he at least was not a killer
@@theparalexview785 There is a sickness, it's rare, but it exists and alcohol is the trigger. No excuses he's dead and I'd put a bullet in him if he raped my daughter but he suffered from some form of numerological damage that alcohol turned him into someone that didn't know what the fuck he was doing. He's dead so it's pointless tough talking him!!!
……as a SA boy I remember the Ayalas well. Tony and his brothers owned the boxing scene in SA back in the day. Such a glorious time. Unfortunately, his demons got to him and we never got to see what could have been with potential fights with Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler.
May he RIP…..✊🏾
He would have never beat Hagler . That';s for sure
Ayala' s mid section looks like mine at 50, no chance against the 4 Kings. Fck this r@pist.
Or Duran. He wasn’t mentally tough enough ; like all bullies he was an ‘ on top fighter’ who when he got it back cracked. ( Mike Tyson anyone ?)
This guy was one of my favorites growing up! He disappeared from the boxing scene and while watching a Duran fight, the commentator mentioned the match that never happened because he was arrested. I always wondered what happened to Ayala. I knew he would have become a great champion. Once again, you’ve done a fantastic job bringing this guy back so we could see him once more, and now, we know the full story. Thank you Rich! 😎🐜
Thanks for the watch, soprano4ny.
Duran at 154 had training problems so it depends which Duran shows up. That being said I think stylewise it actually favors Duran
@@jonbathurst953 This guy would've been tailor made for Duran, I'm sorry. The shelling and counterpunching? Duran would've given him so many angles it would make him dizzy.
@@exspiravit6920 💯
I agree. Takes too many punches. Never fought a decent boxer. He was talented but Duran would have weathered the early storm and knocked him out
I grew up in San Antonio. And my dad was a huge boxing fan. He took me to see him at a Golden Gloves tournament in the 70s and the entire arena roared when El Torito fought. He was well loved. And had tons of support. It’s sad to see what he became. He fought demons his entire life. I wish we could’ve seen what he might’ve become.
Heck….we probably sat next to each other a time or two. I was a regular at the SA golden glove tournaments. I saw all the Ayalas come up the ranks via the GG’s. Such a glorious time in The SA boxing scene. I was front and center at the Mike Ayala / Danny ‘Little Red’ Lopez fight. Such a great fight.
Thank you, Rich. What you do with these documentaries is truly amazing. Bringing much depth, not shying away from the darkness, and not glamourizing.
Wow, thank you, Paul.
This is best documentary series on youtube
The fights he could've had in his prime 1980's to mid 90's
Tony Ayala Jr Vs Hands of Stone
Tony Ayala Jr Vs Sugar Ray
Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Hit Man
Tony Ayala Jr Vs Marvellous
Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Body Snatcher
Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Hawk
Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Blade
Tony Ayala Jr Vs Dark Destroyer
Tony Ayala Jr Vs Second to Nunn
Tony Ayala Jr Vs Lights Out
Tony Ayala Jr Vs R.J
Tony Ayala Jr Vs The Executioner
All potential Barn Burners.
Great Vid!.......another Pulitzer.
What an excellent documentary ! Thanks for taking the time to explore this story, as always
Thank you for the watch.
A sad and classic example of 'wasted talent'. He could have and SHOULD have been a world champion. His demons destroyed him. Another great one Rich.
Agreed. Well done.
Thanks, Michael.
true reminds me of Johnny Tapia
he was the demon
I enjoy these documentaries. I grew up in the late 70s and 80s and the boxing was at the height. My brother and I would always find money to buy a boxing magazine. We didn`t have the net, but we bought magazines and maybe catch a world class match on Wide World of Sports. I was young and I remember not understanding why Tony Ayala Jr would waste his career with drugs, alcohol and how he acted out with sex I do now.
Rich your work continues to be outstanding. The best boxing documentaries I have seen in 51 years of following this glorious but often harrowing sport. The damage he did to his victims cannot be understated or forgotten nor what he did to himself. Despite his horrific crimes his last message was in a way redemptive because he called for something that is very much needed. May God grant healing and all that is good in life to his victims. A true cautionary tale. Rich, please lets us know how we can send financial assistance to your channel.
Thanks so much for the support, Jose. There are PayPal links in the description boxes but I don't push it in the videos.
I watched his fights and was stunned when I read that he had gotten that big prison sentence. Never heard anything about him till now, very sad.
Being from San Antonio I remember this guy as well as his brother Mike, they were on a path to becoming great boxer's, both of them fell well short of the glory, and just like Michael Jackson when he was on top of the world his father could have won the father of the year award, but as soon as they started doing bizzare things they blame the father, the Ayla family wasn't no difference, as soon as Tony started doing crazy shit, he attacked his father, he would tell horror stories of their father verbally and physically abusing them well before their pre- teen years, when thier father died you could see the family was very divided tony looked very awkward being at the funeral and didn't even dress appropriately for it, and relatives was distant from him, very sad story.
I watched this guy back in the 80s. I always was impressed by him in the ring but the more that came out about him the more I hated him. True monster. Really a shame
I've known men and women who have been in and out of prison their whole teenage and adult life! Very wellspoken, very,very intelligent! They just couldn't stay away from drugs and alcohol and did very, very stupid things that just didn't make any sense at all.
I watched Tony come up in the early 80S and always thought he would be one of the best! Sad what happens when you can't control your demon's 👊
Like the saying goes....Temptation is a motherf****!
The older I get, the more clearly I see... the thing that separates the Great from the Good is discipline. Discipline isn't easy to come by in a young person. Let alone a young person with some money!
I was one of these one.. Very good at school but fucked up my studies because i wasn't interested in studying but more on girls, partying and drugs.. What a waste ! I think about it often, while having a good job, unbelivable wife and kids ! Allways about the what if ?
@@frenchgoldenboyfan You can't compare yourself to an Sexual Felon. Tony was a serial rapist. Do not put yourself into that category. I am sure you may slip or hopefully not when it comes to "partying" but what he did was rape.
You don't slip up and rape....again and again
Me too, watch him thinking then...this guy is going to be a champion but...in the end drugs won....what a waste.
YOU GET RID OF YOUR DEMONS, BY TELLING THEM TO LEAVE IN JESUS CHRIST NAME
Really enjoy your documentaries Rich. I had a former co-worker, who was working at East Jersey State Prison (AKA Rahway) when Ayala transferred there in either 90 or 91. They had a very good boxing program there, as you know. My coworker said that when Ayala went up to the Drill Hall (the prison gymnasium) to spar, he was tearing guys up. Apparently, custody told him his sparring days were over at that point. Lol He was way out of the boxing team's league.
That story sounds about right. Thanks for sharing.
What a cool story
Must of been savage beatings lol considering he would be of beat most of the guys in his weight that are in the hall of fame
I did time with him in 96'.....just another inmate heating ramen noodles.
He was a Vicious, Puncher an Warrior who somehow managed to Channel all his Anger into his Punches. He must've had a Whole Lot! RIP Torito 🙏
Great documentary. We rivaled the Ayala’s boxing team Numerous times. (Westside YMCA) even if it was just sparring or competing we knew it was going to be tough. We never backed off but respected each other . ( most of the time 😂) ✝️🇺🇸🥊 Coach Mando from the Alamo City. Great Memories.
Do you train or have a boxing gym open to the public?
@@felipemontes3933 not anymore but I do recommend Alamo Boxing Gym.
Wow what a life, he could have had it all but lost it due to addiction and issues. He was a talent in boxing.
I remember watching Tony and how he reminded me of "Manos de Piedra."
He was so close to a mega fight with Duran, then he blows it!
Give me a break! Roberto Duran was a master defensive boxer. This dude was an amazing puncher, but that was about it. He was a limited flat footed come ahead brawler that would've been exposed by a fighter with a decent defense!
@@uiu510 Absolutely. Duran would have made easy work of Ayala!!!
@@kevindean1327 I honestly believe so myself.
Duran would have tortured him.
@@drummersinger5324 Absolute fact!
I love going on lunchbreak and seeing you made an upload please never stop covering these unknown fighters ive learned so much and enjoy these immensely
Thanks, CJ.
@Rich the Fight Historian
I second what C.J. said and i would add this; If it weren't for your passion and hard work, these stories would go untold and hidden from today's fight fans. You are punching way above your weight per usual Rich. Thanks for what you do, it's important!
Well put and we’ll done. Thanks Rich. FWIW I thought Torito did another stretch in TDC for violating his burglary parole? Right before he got out and realized he was a pariah at the end.
@@jeffwalters8180 My pleasure, Jeff. I appreciate your kind words.
@@jeffwalters8180 To me this is the most important part of @Rich the Fight Historian video uploads. Its cataloguing boxing history.
I remember Ayala's fights. He looked unbeatable. Strong, tough, and ferocious puncher.
I was an amateur Boxer at the San Fernando gym in 1981. I was invited to train their by Mike Ayala, Tony Ayala's older brother. I never got to spar with him because I'm a southpaw and he wasnt facing any southpaws. Before one of my fights I got into an altercation in a nearby town outside San Antonio and I hurt my right knuckles with the other guys teeth. Tony Ayala Sr. advised me that he wasnt wasting his time on street fighters and not to train there no more. I know Mike, Tony, Sammy and Paulie Ayala personally.
What about LA Guerra Joe wells
I can't freaking believe there isnt one person, with the means, out there who will remaster all the classic fights. Am i the only one who see the value in that? Come on Mike Tyson where u at....
I had to wait to get time enough to see this video when it was uploaded nearly nine months ago. But it was worth the wait and now I see why. The plight of El Torito (and his victims) is filled with tragedy. From such a young full of talent and promise it was obviously built of enough pain and suffering to end a career there. But for every punch that El Torito dished out he found himself on the end of a criminal one straight back at him. Another incredible and sad tale of life in boxing.
This is the one I have been waiting for
I watched Tony's bio years ago an forgot about him.Thanks for this one to refresh my memory.
First real good video I've seen about Ayala! From the early the eighties I've been reading about him. He had something intriguing. It makes you wonder how an intelligent guy, who had the world at his feet, could've/would've been a world champion with tens of millions in the bank, wasted his life and talent completely.
As a long time boxing fan, this is a fantastic channel. You need more exposure.
One of the saddest stories in boxing...💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
I agree with you totally. It still saddens me to this day. What a waste. What a shame. He could of mixed it up with the BIG 4. Life hey.!
Agree 👊
Sad for his victims and sad that he didn't die sooner.
@@jackantwon9639 I can't disagree with you on that comment ❤️
@@jackantwon9639 It wouldn’t surprise me if you are one of those law abiding god fearing religious nutters .! If you look back in history and it’s still happening today religion has caused more deaths,raping and pillaging than any diseases put together, plus Jack wanton (Antwon) destruction of peoples lives regardless of their race, colour, or creed. More than the Tony Ayala Jr’s of this world. What he did do was despicable beyond words. But the sinners are winners. As long as they go to confession, 10 Hail Marys and life goes on to repeat their dastardly deeds, all in the name of the big fella upstairs. There is no excuse whatsoever for what he did, but being sexually abused as a child is horrific, as it must have been for the victims of his truly vile actions. He served his time, I wonder how many priests served any jail time.? And all in the name of god. So the next time you get up on your high horse, think of the children who suffered under god’s servants.
I always love reading commentaries from arm chair judges who probably all lived privileged protected lives. PTSD is real and Tony, from a very young age, was bullied and whose father was excessively brutal to him. If anyone should have served time, it was Tony’s father. PTSD is a time bomb that detonated at a time when there would be no support for Tony. Tony never had children because of memories of his parents growing up. Tony paid his debt to society and life. Try to remember judges, we are all products of the environments we were born into.
U still have choices you make or dont. Youre just making excuses for weakness.
I wouldn't let Jr off that easy, but absolutely agree Sr should've been made to pay for his sadistic brutality.
One of boxing's greatest wasted talents. A fantastic piece of work, incredible documentary, been waiting for a story on Tony Ayala for a few decades. I'm old enough to have actually bought the Ring magazine that had him on the cover. An evil, troubled but talented man. His comeback at an advanced age was pitiful to watch. Along with Ike Ikebeauchi , these are two of the most troubled pro boxers ever (A possible piece of work on Ike next Sir ? ).
It'll be awhile but Ibeabuchi is on the list. Thanks for the kind words on the piece.
And the cuban boxer, Angel Robinson García.
Has anyone told you how great of a job you are doing with these boxing videos today??? Great Job!
I appreciate that, thanks 218maryland.
THIS WAS STUNNING. I’m sitting here minutes after watching this, and I’m numbed..Anaya was never a fighter that I rooted for back in the day, but I totally respected what he could do in the ring..he was a BEAST. I remember following his career after his release from prison, but after his (second) loss, I lost interest. But I will NEVER forget what a monster he was in his prime, and I will always wonder who would have won between Anaya and Duran. THANK YOU for making this documentary, sir, it was BEYOND EXCELLENT.
Sure thing, ZION82able, and thank you for the kind word.
Ayala*
duran clearly
Oh, that's an easy answer, Duran. People romanticize how great Ayala was. He got caught too much by average fighters. God knows how bad Hearns would have tore him up. Dont get me wrong, he was talented, but nowhere near the elite level that he sometimes get placed on
@@jonmeans2637 you see nonbixing fans do that all the time case and point see mike Tyson he came along at the end of holmes who is one of if not the most underappreciated and dosent really get the place in history he should you are spot on about the very evil Ayala Duran would eat his best shot like it was absolutely nothing he would've have destroyed his ego in such away that more than likely his boxing skills would have only been used on women after that everyone only rembers no mas but he didn't quit bcuz of pain he got tired of chaseing lenord and figured out he had wrong plan Duran was a very strategic boxer on a side note not many realize he actually becasme a world champion again after the no mas fight noticed nobody said anything about Chavez lol
I've been waiting for this Rich so thank you. It was excellent. Much appreciated.
John Doyle who do you think would’ve won between Ayala vs Hearns?
Sure thing, John.
@@walterseverin1520 I have to go with Hearns. Short aggressive fighters usually came off badly. But Ayala could get under his shots and get close but I have to favour Hearns despite Ayala being the most gifted teenager I have ever seen in a ring.
John Doyle agreed mate. I think of what Hearns did to Duran, could’ve been a similar outcome
@@RichtheFightHistorian my pleasure. Tell me are you thinking of doing a feature on the Hilton boxing family?
Tony fought with so much anger. His father was abusive and molded Tony into a violent hateful human being. So sad.
BS, many people were brought up hard in the hispanic culture but surely knew right from wrong. TA Jr made choices, wrong ones, bottom line..
Roy Jones dad was abusive too but Roy turned out to be a nice guy.. its not an excuse
I don't condone nor condemn
Bad choices
Yes we have a choice
We are responsible for our actions in public
Some just have that troubled soul
They are bound to self destruct
@@dltguitar6532 self reflection is hard.
Another excellent story Rich! I remember watching him in the early 80's, tremendous talent overtaken by drugs and alcohol.
Thanks, Kevin.
Superb as always Rich. Teddy Atlas is the toughest armchair warrior in the history of boxing. Nobody loses a fight without that idiot calling them a quitter.
Hes a bit of a blowhard.
He was spot on though. He did quit. And after tasting that defeat was never the same even though it was already over after 15 years in prison
Extraordinary & brilliant narration... defiantly in my short top 10 list along with all your productions which are all quality... thanks again!
My pleasure, Medhi. Thank you.
Another much needed doc....Thanks Rich, great job.
the one thing i respect ayala for is the last sentence he spoke in this documentary: "i dont have kids. and i dont have them for a reason!"
Watching this guy punch gets me excited. What a talent
Great documentary. I remember the up and coming Tony Ayala. I was a fan, watching him stalk his opponent similar to Tyson’s style. Ayala before his demons ruined him was a perfect boxer-puncher, going to the body, uppercuts, hooks, he was a complete fighter.
That said, it’s a very sad story.
Just a comment. I grew up in the neighborhood by the Ayala family. Lots of demons and people chasing the dragon. But no one is perfect and that’s in the past. Not sure if any of the brothers had a chance to live a normal life. Big Tony kept them out of high school and they were training full time by the eighth grade instead of going to class. He liked to use the “pit bull” analogy and talk about training them to attack. At least that’s my recollection. Tough way to grow up. Never heard about Paulie or Sammy. I think Mike is working at Palo Alto College and was recently voted into a local sports hall of fame. I wish them all well.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing, Ramiro.
A friend is a cousin of the Ayalas. Severely dysfunctional family and abuse. But the older brother Mike survived the same stuff and wasn't a monster who inflicted his pain on other victims.
Tony looked good against mediocre competition, but he never was and never would have been a world class middleweight, certainly never an all time great. In his comeback, which he also screwed up, he was outclassed by Yori Boy Campas, a solid but not spectacular fighter who was always a gatekeeper but lost to elite level all time greats.
Ayala was never in that class. He had good fundamentals but was not a particularly skilled in-fighter, and showed no ability to adapt mid-fight.
The brother Mike fought 3 times for a world title. Came up short in the 15th rd against Danny Lopez which was voted RING magazine’s fight of the year in 79’. He was a 2 time NABF champ and went on to have a successful air conditioning buisness.
@@theparalexview785 Dont talk rubbish. This kid would have beat Canelo at 15 years of age!
@@OldSchoolStrength
That's the truth 💯
These bios are so good. Really well done. Thank you.
Hey Rich, fantastic job! I'm trying to catch up on all of your videos and am currently binge watching them! I was wondering if you could possibly make a documentary on George Chuvalo, as I did not see one on him as of yet. His story is so inspiring and he was a great boxer with an iron chin who didn't have any quit in him.
Not yet. He'd be a lot further down the road as there has been a documentary (maybe more than one) on him. I'd have to see if I could add anything more to it.
What a story, brilliant mini documentary about a fighter I’d only heard about briefly because of his ferocity. Troubled life from an early age, a familiar story for many fighters. Great editing and research with a very sad ending.
Thanks so much, Sir Lloyd
Been waiting for this one. Thanks Rich!!
You bet!
Another great upload, keep em coming.
I remember sneaking into Freeman Coliseum to see him fight. Was someone I looked up to and still respect in death. I grew up on the other side of Pan Am expressway. I understand the troubles he had and battles he fought. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. Those who judge will be judged likewise. Thank you for the video. Respect to the Ayala family.
Exactly. People love to point the finger but forget that we are ALL sinners. I HATE rapists and child molesters - BUT - it's not up to me or any other human to judge anyone. Lock them up and forget them, and may God have mercy on all of us.
Dr thank you my friend. People don't realize it could happen to them. Only by God's grace I'm not in jail or dead.
This is a horrible sin tho! No respect for the guy!
@@dabbadee9949 I agree with you.
No respect for Sr.
Love this quality viewing you are putting online Rich. Much appreciation from Scotland.
Thanks for the support, hammerqos
Another great episode...I can't get enough of your stories ❤🤟😎
Thanks for the support, Sunfish Assassin.
I always think of the Ayala brothers and the Hilton brothers together. Two families of boxers who looked like they would create dynasties,but drugs,alcohol and crime destroyed that possibility
He had it made on this earth to be a king but self arrogance and pride plus stupidity just screwed himself in this life and the next one just think God I was a Davey Moore fan but Tony was ruthlessly devastating in his prime how he beat the brakes off of Robbie Epps man he had his head going like a crash test dummy! DM was a young flashy champion but his defense was like Swiss cheese and more than likely to beat him the man had a wife and still goes to rape a women before fighting for the title is beyond everyone but him yo!
GOD I've been a bad boy I don't want to go to hell! Well ya shape up now then boy or else alright!!
He was a bad man tough like Tuco on the good bad and ugly classic western!
This guy needs to do a video on the Hilton's
@@daveyboy_ yeah the Hilton’s would be a great video.
I used to train with Ayala when he was coming up at Costellos gym in N.J. I was also Bobby Cyzz’s sparring partner when he fought Mustafa Hamsho. James Hard Rock Green was also there along with Livingston Bramble and Rocky Lockridge. This was while fighting under Main events promotions 1983 and 1984. Lou Duva used to pick us up at a motel we stayed at 8am every morning to run in a park.
James did you used to compete in the Tough man events after your boxing career? Im pretty sure i know who you are.
@@OldSchoolStrength Yes I did Old School. All around south Florida from 1996 to 2000. Had to quit due to joint issues and Rotator cuff shoulder problems.
My grandfather thought it would be a good idea for me to go a few rounds with world champ Bill Backus at a Utica NY gym. Kept my fists to myself after that.
@@jamesdorsey.9528 I remember the fights on youtube and Ron Lipton saying you was a tough tough dude. Did you ever spar Ayala Jr? What can you say about his training routine / Sparring?
thanks 👊🔥
@@OldSchoolStrength Thanks for your comment. Ron is a good friend of mine. He trained at Floyd’s gym for a few months during the seventies.One hell of a puncher and a good fighter he was! No I never sparred with Tony. He was a weight class under me. He was a jr middleweight about 154.I was a super middleweight coming in at about 167. Bobby Cyzz and I used to have wars in that ring at Costellos gym. The problem was they made me put on these heavy gloves about 18 oz’s or more. Bobby’s gloves were much less. 10 or 12 oz! Kind of pissed me off because wearing those heavier gloves slowed my hands down and obviously had much less effect on whomever I sparred with. Tony’s training regimen to be honest I never paid much attention to him or his dad who was there at the gym. I watched him shadow box,jump rope and spar with I think Johnnny Bumpcity Bumphus who was at the gym back then. So was Rocky Lockridge who was a great awesome humble fighter. Rocky I think had his own sparring partners.
Great channel and edit. The long video time of the actual fights are great.💯💫
Glad you enjoyed, Louie, thanks
I requested this a few weeks back and you came through like a champ
Thanks, Frolian.
Just a quick note to say thank you Rich the Fight Historian - there is A LOT of boxing channels - but this is certainly one of the best - its content always different and interesting....some real deep stuff.......and puts a lot of true pros in some much deserved limelight....I wanted you to know that your work is much appreciated.
I agree this was a great piece of boxing history with no spin and no agenda. The OP Rich doesn’t do his subscribers (I’m now one) a disservice by trying to cast Tony as a villain or a tortured soul. So much pain in this story. Not surprised Stallone wanted to make it into a movie. Sometimes genetics and environment conspire to create evil and sometimes greatness. Sometimes albeit rarely, both are made in the same person. No one wakes up in the morning saying I want to ruin my life and opportunities and hurt women in the process. Ayala hated himself and I’m glad I don’t have his head full of bad wiring. I’ve been through the same substance issues but didn’t hurt women or assault anyone ever. I’ll take my issues over his. I don’t condone or forgive, but I don’t condemn the man either. It’s not my place to do so. I’ll leave the judgement in God and the jury’s hands and just enjoy the fantastic piece of sports history. Before you come at me either, the man did 16 years for his crime. I think he paid a heavy price. I say that without diminishing the pain his victim went through, but 16 years and the loss of your career seems like an appropriate sentence for sexual assault. I believe he tried to become a better man. No one can fake it that long, BUT return a man to the same world where he committed his crimes immediately upon his release and wow real shock he went down a similar path! He should’ve been nowhere near that slimy boxing world with promoters, strippers and hangers on yes men who care nothing about his recovery🤷♂️
I appreciate your kind words Placid Casual, thank you.
Well said, MattyIce.
@@RichtheFightHistorian I am often wrong Rich - but one thing I am fairly sure is right is that its important to acknowledge and pay respect to people who are making positive and constructive contributions and your certainly doing that imho. I eat up your content - and really appreciate the integrity with which you approach your work - its the true reality of boxing, portrayed superbly. I think its REALLY important to present that aspect of the incredible sport we love to the world - and it's particularly important to shine a light on some of those who's endeavours and talent weren't met with the reward it perhaps deserved at the time. I've put quite a few of the older heads who knock about the gym in my town onto your channel. Again - your work is much appreciated brother 👍
@@placidcasual9872 I appreciate that, Placid Casual, more to come.
So many great fighters during his prime that he never got a chance to fight. Great video!
He did horrific things to people, in response to what was horrifically done to him as a child, by the person who allegedly violated him and how his own father treated him . In NO way does it excuse what he did and why he did it, but there is always a root to what becomes a problem.
What a great channel. Kudos to you brother. I love the research put into these videos. I remember Ayala and he was a monster in the ring. Unfortunately, he became a monster outside the ring. I grew up in the 80’s and probably watched every fight that was ever shown lol. ESPN Friday night fights. USA network Tuesday night fights although they changed the day over the years. My Dad was Mexican and he lived at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles. He loved boxing. His favourite was Ruben Olivares. Anyway man, love what you are doing. Subscribed.
Thank you for the kind words, Topper, I appreciate it.
Ayala Sr sounds a lot like Jack Quarry. Thanks for another great video and I saw every one of Ayala Jr's fights back in the day and was a huge fan of his fighting style. Too bad his life turned out like it did. so sad.
What a story. Great upload!!!
Wow Rich, another great video. Had heard of Ayala, but didn't know his story. He was highly intellegent with many demons. Hard to reconcile the Man when he speaks, to the crimes that he was acussed of. A sad tale of a great fighter. Again thanks!!!
My pleasure, Britt.
Just found your channel and subscribed - excellent content and commentary - thank you. I am working my way thorough your archived videos. This weekends bout in Vegas (Leo Santa Cruz) will mark my 61st year of watch live boxing - first live bout was seeing Carmen Basilio in 1961!
Wow, that's awesome. Enjoy the fights.
@@RichtheFightHistorian
One question ...
Torito Ayala is a brother of paulie Ayala (former champion from fort worth tx ) ????
@@Thehfdlm No, that's a different Paulie.
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Thanks
Great video documentary. Sad that his family, trainer nor promoter could steer him away from horrible decisions outside the ring. He was a natural puncher, could have been an all time great.
I was so excited to be watching Tony Ayala because he reminded me of my childhood hero Rocky Marciano. I was devastated when he threw it all away
He was an amazing puncher, but that was about it. He was a limited flat footed come ahead brawler that would've been exposed by a fighter with a decent defense!
This is quickly becoming my favourite channel.
Thanks for the uploads. Waiting for Reggie Gross....
Yeah that would be a good one.
I have a brief on on Gross, one of the first videos on the channel.
I was waiting for this one!!!
Nobody is posting content as good or as individual and unique as this! Don’t stop and people spread the word
Hey thanks, Bonnie.
Rich, well done depiction of the story of a can't miss prospect who imploded because of his inner demons . The story of his comeback and his seeming rehabilitation only to misstep again
is a sad one.
Thanks for watching, Philip.
great video. Ayala was a mini Joe Frazier. They threw similar left hooks. Ayala's life is pure tragedy.
A new story for me. And as always told in great fashion.
Great video the time and research to put together a high-quality professional video like this is much appreciated
Great work. Thank you for putting this together.
My pleasure, Bob.
I almost didn't watch this but the quality of your work deserves the view.
I remember the day Tony was arrested for rape in 1983. My dad, who was a big fight fan, saw it on the news and just lost his shit lol. It wasn't funny, obviously., It was a horrible crime and the beginning of the end to a career that had great promise.
Like many boxers with similar stories, I am torn between feeling sadness for them and just wanting to forget about them altogether. I guess the best we can do is remember that we all have a prime, a stretch of life where the future is bright and beautiful but which doesn't last forever.
I don't know. This was tough to watch. Excellent work.
I need a drink now lol
Thanks for watching, Chris.
Great stuff. I share many of your videos on Twitter. Salute
I appreciate that, Bruce. Thank you.
Great video I think we all was curious when Tony got out to see how far he could go and what he had left but campas a good solid fighter showed us he wasn’t the same. Shame seeing such talent wasted nothing worse and obviously a barbaric man but a famous story thanks for the production as always rich great viewing!!
My pleasure, Alex, thanks.
Thanks Rich, not every boxing story is one of redemption.
Indeed. Some are irredeemable.
Amazing and heart wrenching story!! Salute Fam another classic profile!!!
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Salvador Sanchez next please
I don't think I could handle a Johnny Tapia documentary so sone after this one😥
I always wondered about that late night drive. I saw Sanchez fight twice in San Antonio. Undercard of Ayala-Lopez and against Ford.
This is gold 👌 you do such a fantastic job on these thank you , sad tale of wasted talent though for sure.
These are gold. Thanks for producing them.
Always a pleasure, Randy, thank you.
@@RichtheFightHistorian Hey Rich I wrote a story about a part of Ali’s life that even Thomas Hauser, Ali’s biographer was unaware of. He actually edited it for me and helped me get it published. Any chance you’d be willing to take a look at it to see if it would make a decent video? It’s only about a page and a half.
@@randycook1316 I looked up the story. You wrote about Major Coxson and Ali? It is quite interesting but it would appeal more to fans of True Crime/Mafia stories. Good stuff but my plate is still full with the old time fighters.
I didnt even realize this was over 45 minutes!great work rich.
Thank you.
Thank you Rich. Once again, well told. A sad story of a talented fighter. Happy New Year to you.
Thank you, Chris. Happy New Year to you as well.
Tony fought in the undercard of the Leonard-Hearns SHOWDOWN too. He knocked out the former Mexican Welterweight champion Jose Baquedano
Putting him in there with rugged Yori Boy after such a long layoff was a mistake.
Mrs. Ayala, Pauline Torres Ayala, is a sweetheart. Very kind, warm human being.
My dad told me about him but never saw anything about him til now. Sad story. He definitely could've been a champion. And I could see him having exciting fights with the best guys of that era. So much talent, but he got kod by the party life smh
Great channel by the way keep up the great work it is amazing
Thanks! Will do!
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