@@AverageJonastrue! It's obvious how much more passion is in these deadlock vids rather than current val. Im ngl I used to watch you when you started making val content but then stopped watching as time went on. Im def gonna watch these deadlock videos tho
I think the best part of Deadlock in its current state is that there are no “bad” characters. Sure he put McGinnis in C tier, but with the right items she can be an insufferable hero to fight.
I run a duration extender, warp stone, refresher, phantom strike set on mo and krill; if someone is slightly out of place I warp stone on them ult them refresher and ult them again.
McGinnis has to be one of the most divisive heroes between low and high MMR - she’s almost omnipresent in low MMR lobbies but tends to underperform in higher ones a lot Personally I’d probably move Bebop and Paradox to A, I think they have some builds that can make them perform really well - you mentioned that you’d rather play gun Ivy than gun Bebop, but I think the capacity of Bebop to displace enemies and save allies can give him the edge in some situations even if he’s less survivable. Aside from that though this seems like a great tier list, I agree on most of the other points
@@AverageJonas Bebop can be an easy A or S tier with bomb build, since you still do damage with ULT and you can one shot with a point and click skill like the sticky bomb. It is a ton of fun to play with, but it is annoying to deal with since u feel u can't really do much againts his bomb. Valve should reduce the bomb damage for sure.
i feel like abrams and warden, both tanky/bruiser characters, are the strongest heroes in the game right now. they have insane survivability and at the same time an insane damage output. anytime we go against an abrams or warden they always get ahead in lane and turn into unstoppable monster in the late game. personally my least favourite heroes to go against. im not calling them OP but god damn my entire team struggles against these two mfs every game
@@Chickenburger-2 it sucks because i feel like i can lane pretty well against them but having teammates feed them into oblivion is like a death sentence for the game because just as jonas said a warden that gets ahead can roll everything
Not gonna lie , i was tired of that Valorant grinding too , same thing everyday , headshot, getting headshot , lineups , always the same , i've transitioned to deadlock too recently and was happily surprised when i saw you did too ! I'm happy i can still watch my favorite streamer/youtuber by sheer luck :)
@@itsCynos Yeah, but there are things called meta which is the true and tested strat that could guarantee you a win if done right. If your focus is to win in ranked, then you can just keep grinding even though it's boring. You might want to use X agent but you gotta fill an empty role if you want to win a game and not ruin it for everyone in the team by being selfish. Valorant also allowing mirror match that encourage this type of strategy (just meta vs meta) while Deadlock is similar to Dota which doesn't allow mirror match that encourage unique strategy depending on the heroes that the enemy is using and also item builds that they're pursuing (you can see their item build in game). So you can have situation where you might want to use another hero just to spice up your game and potentially still winning. This is the fun aspect of MOBA in a game like this. The way that IceFrog manage balancing is also pretty good. Just make everything overpowered so then no one is overpowered. Everyone has a chance to demolish their opponent.
is there a way to early acces this game? it just says to add to wishlist on steam and release date is unconfimed. I am assuming that it will release in late 2025 or early 2026.
Valorant solo queue was my worst experience ive ever had in video games not even lol made me giving up on humanity. People are either egotistical or just dcs 😊
i actually really like this list, and the thoughtfulness that went into it, i think its a very solid and meaningful set of insights. You even highlighted counterplay, which i think is essential to making a reasonable list like this in particular, highlighting how bizarre yamato, seven, and haze are was good yamato is unironically the most terrifying character to fight, and good yamato mix up the timing of their ult for start->mid-> pre death which makes her insanely difficult to fight against, but a poorly timed ult is just a delayed death, and most yamato are NOT good yamato, and her kit is ALL OVER THE PLACE where you can never build into everything she WANTS to do, and really end up ignoring something, often to her detriment. You have this bizarre playstyle that has to change every single match because which abilities you emphasizes changes so drastically, and i dont think the player base has the skill level to use that yet. seven is...yeah. nail on the head. early on: ult to win. as you learn more, stuns and cover go brr.
Lash is amazing but only if you play him perfectly, and he can be shut down early in the laning phase because if he misses the timing to get his items, he becomes much less of a threat He’s also pretty hard to play, there’s a reason he has the lowest pick rate
@@hittite_gaming moba characters historically have depressed winrates if their skill floor is quite high, so i think it's fair to say that Lash's winrate on people who actually know how to play him is likely a bit higher than ~51%. A 50% winrate Lash is always going to be a stronger character than a 50% winrate Abrams or Seven, for example.
Can’t wait for the new Deadlock content, bring it on!! We all loved valorant but this feels like a needed and exiting change to your content plus it’s good for your mental health. Happy all round we love u Jonas!!
I would argue that Warden should have been bottom of S or very top of A. He has extremely safe laning phase and has an extreme power spike with slowing hex and late game has one of the stronger gun builds and still gets to keep one of the few point and click ranged ccs in the game. Also by pure numbers I believe he has currently one of the highest win rates overall (Dunno about high mmr specifically).
As someone who hasn't played mobas or team shooters since 2015 or so, Deadlock pulled me back in and I'm interested in seeing where Valve takes it. Appreciate the video. Lots of good insight.
I love mo and krill. Hes such a fantastic jungler but hes also an amazing enabler. So many fights can be won by burrowing in and catching enemies off guard.
hey jonas, love the tierlist but I was wondering if maybe you could show some videos of the heros your talking about, to help new players see a bit better how they play.
"My main is not top tier, he's hard character to play and you have to be a good player to play him well" I don't know if that is true in this case but I have played way too much fighting games to not smell bullshit.
You almost nailed it with Paradox. She is actually insane pretty much all game long. Her abilities sound pretty meh on paper but she can be absolutely a pain in the ass if the person knows what they are doing and like you said, "There isn't a lot of Paradox mains out there." She can completely flip an entire game with just just one ability or two. She is super slept on. I know other people said that same thing early like saying she is S tier. Dude, your gut instinct was right. She is pretty crazy (if you know how to play her).
I'm a Korean viewer who's always enjoyed your Valorant play. I think it was very right to pivot to Deadlock to be honest. The reason for your channel existence was this game!!
McGinnis turret spam with healing is insanely strong. Echo shard / rapid recharge / healing booster / spirit life steal. You just dash around in your healing aura and can sometimes use your echo shard to have 2 heals down. Heals for like 600 a second or something its so silly. And while everyone is pumping into you; you're dealing 1000 dps with all your turrets down. It's actually insane.
You seem like a dope dude!! I’m excited for deadlock man. I haven’t been invited but I know the game is oh so good. (I’m a Valve fan boy😂) excited to watch your stuff as well man! Cheers to new beginnings!
idk anything bout the game but i just play the vid in the background as i do stuff 😁will support your vids as much as i can, and maybe i'll start try out Deadlock :DDD
First heard of this game from your last vid and the vid was good I decided to download it. Turns out it’s still invite only so I signed up on the sub and here’s hoping that I get lucky. In the meantime, hope there’ll be more videos to tide me over!
Got 13 hours in the game and thought I'm getting the hang of a MOBA, while occasionally getting shit on by a Bebop for some reason. Hearing you talk about how heroes are supposed to be played and how impactful the late game items are, I realised I'm still very much in noob lobbies. I dread the day I go against someone who knows how to minmax their character and I'm stuck for 40 min playing against something I got no clue how to counter.
I think more has to be played with yanking and uppercutting teammates with less mobility when it comes to bebop. More readily available and instant than ivy ult for less range. I feel like ivy and bebop together as enablers would totally walk over everything. The hyper beam could used some scaling or some defense boosts while using, become a mini walker.
I feel like everyone is good and I have seen basically everyone carry a game. I think it comes down more to the players experience and the build they are using as some builds just do perform better than others. I hope this game will get Dota level balance where everyone is pretty balanced. Currently I think some characters are a little too powerful but not by much I just want some changes to happen. For example ivy carrying seven during ult which is by far the most OP thing in the game.
Omg so glad to see you doing deadlock content now. Was fun to sit through and watch this.😭 Also i thought Pocket was they/them since they are referred as such in their bio.
For me Talon is better than Vindicta. In late game his damage from arrow is greater than Vindicta's sniping. Because it has better scaling with spirit. And can be used on all targets while Vindictas dmg on targets with more than 50% hp is a low. And arrows are available more often. His speed is better as you said it scales with spirit. And ultimate is very good in some specific moments. But yeah extra souls from Vindicta are amazing.
My top 3 most played are Shiv, Haze, and Lash. Yeah Shiv is so broken with a Spirit/Tank build I was straight up 1v4ing in the late game with no problem.
pretty good list tbh, i think deadlock is going to suffer from a few issues if the game doesn't change tho, for 1 there is WAY to much cc in the game. that last way to long. having so many people with cc in a third person shooter just does not work. and then flex items need to either be unlocked in a different way or they need to be removed completely, they are literally just a win more mechanic whoever kills the turrets faster just snowballs because they can have more items and it makes it almost impossible to catch up and turn the game around.
Paradox is easily the worst designed character in the game. I completely agree with your friend's take: you cannot balance this character. An easy example of her problematic nature is advanced burst. You CAN get Timebomb to proc this, and the damage becomes absolutely insane (with a tiny bit of setup it will take 60-70% of the hp off anyone who crosses the barrier), but without it is just kinda piss unreliable damage. The same goes for her Carbine - it just does so unbelievably much in a single ability that most of them must feel quite useless to balance it out (like it is now).
my pet peeve for tier list is when everything is skewed towards S and A tier. S tier should be only broken or best. A for very good, B for average, etc. IMO, this tier list would be fine if you just shifted the whole thing one tier down, and put the best "S" tier back to S tier
I think my biggest disagreement is mcginnis and i think she needs an adjustment. I don’t think she’s fantastic but i would have grouped her with b or a. A person with god aim building tank gun is crazy strong. Almost unkillable. Love this content though!
Great teir list! I am complete trash but i love the game. Your 3 bottom teir heros are my go to. My favorite is ult bombing with haze, followed by sniping with spirit talon. Finally, mcginis' healing granade is powerful. I just think it is funny the 3 heros i am the best with are your lowest teir. Valve did a great job at balancing. Trash doesnt feel bad to play.
Im probably bias since i main shiv, but i feel he's hard to play against because he excels at 1v1 just like how haze does. But in 2v1 or if hes CC hes much more easy to kill. Yes he does alot of damage once he gets going but i feel if you know some of his weaknesses hes manageable. Especially with trying to keep your distance from him as most as you can. Cause once hes on top of you...youre dead
As a new player and McGinnis fan, this hurts me a bit. Just makes me more determined to figure her out and show what she can do! By the way, is there a link to that Viscous clip of you being saved somewhere? He's my backup main and I'd love to see it.
Im loving this game im having to split the time I have to play between this and OW lol Good to know that abrams is really strong I was wondering if I was just very bad at playing around him lol
I tested the owl build 👌👌 the enemies i think even reported me. Being capable of spam my ult every 20 seconds from my base and do considerable aoe dmg and stun enemies, felt like cheating.
I main shiv idc if he gets nerfed to the ground just dont change the ult chainability of it u can make the execution 15%idc its just fun making a comeback when my team dies and they all get low
If you have questions about Deadlock or want to see more gameplay/theorycrafting, don't hesitate to join my daily streams on twitch.tv/averagejonas 🙂
Imma be honest, I've been enjoying the deadlock vids 10x more than all the Val for the past 2 years. Can't wait for full release.
Thanks! Honestly I am also ten times more passionate about making these and I think as a viewer thats easy to see
I mean that's just natural with a brand new game vs an old game that doesn't have much to create content around.
@@Parenegadeits not just that, its also the type of game tbh!! A MOBA shooter has much more stuff you can deep dive in compared to a tac shooter
@@AverageJonas True! Or at least more content for a casual audience.
@@AverageJonastrue! It's obvious how much more passion is in these deadlock vids rather than current val. Im ngl I used to watch you when you started making val content but then stopped watching as time went on. Im def gonna watch these deadlock videos tho
the shiv thing is even crazier then you said, because in the SAME DAY he was nerfed FOUR TIMES and he STILL dominates lmao
And he was nerfed in today's patch too XD
And I still solo carried a game with him with all my teammates on 0 kills LMAO@@cheasman
How to build him?
@@Captain-qv8yu gun damnage and res. leech and that one 6k item that steals max hp for a time.
I think the best part of Deadlock in its current state is that there are no “bad” characters. Sure he put McGinnis in C tier, but with the right items she can be an insufferable hero to fight.
mcginnis is literally my goat
Ice frog method of balancing. If everyone is broken, non is broken. Lol😅
If you can get good positioning her ult is no joke
MiniGun Build Goes BRRR 🥶
I think that's the best part about "mobas", not deadlock only. You need to create really really really awful character to make it unusable "bad".
Dude i saw "deadlock" and immediatly thought "No way this guy is back to val"
same
Lol yeah. Now finding Deadlock tutorials (the valorant character) is gonna be way harder with this new Valve game. As if it wasn't already hard enough
@@ruzgar1372only tutorial you need is the knowledge to not pick her lol
@@ruzgar1372 Search for Elok's videos tbh hes a good Deadlock player
I wish
High spirit high lifesteal Mo and Krill is by FAR the funniest lane bully in the game. Literally just run in like a moron, heal to full, and back off.
Honestly the scariest thing to play against
I run a duration extender, warp stone, refresher, phantom strike set on mo and krill; if someone is slightly out of place I warp stone on them ult them refresher and ult them again.
Shiv eats him for breakfast unfortunately
Good to see you enjoying yourself again! Gonna really enjoy the Deadlock videos!
😂😂@@eh3232
@@eh3232 Tf fk is wrong with you? U need some therapy?
Deadlock tierlist??? Let's GOOOO
dude this is literally how i’ve felt.
McGinnis has to be one of the most divisive heroes between low and high MMR - she’s almost omnipresent in low MMR lobbies but tends to underperform in higher ones a lot
Personally I’d probably move Bebop and Paradox to A, I think they have some builds that can make them perform really well - you mentioned that you’d rather play gun Ivy than gun Bebop, but I think the capacity of Bebop to displace enemies and save allies can give him the edge in some situations even if he’s less survivable.
Aside from that though this seems like a great tier list, I agree on most of the other points
Yeah honestly ive played tons of bebop in the last days and i think he’s A for me with the new bomb build
@@AverageJonas Bebop can be an easy A or S tier with bomb build, since you still do damage with ULT and you can one shot with a point and click skill like the sticky bomb. It is a ton of fun to play with, but it is annoying to deal with since u feel u can't really do much againts his bomb. Valve should reduce the bomb damage for sure.
@@kenshix4549just buy debuff remover and poof bebop bomb disappear😊
@@macky453 well, hqve you seen the cooldown on debuff remover compared to his bomb?
honestly mcginnis just need an easy fix: swap her m2 zoom for reving up the gun like heavy in tf2
i feel like abrams and warden, both tanky/bruiser characters, are the strongest heroes in the game right now. they have insane survivability and at the same time an insane damage output. anytime we go against an abrams or warden they always get ahead in lane and turn into unstoppable monster in the late game. personally my least favourite heroes to go against. im not calling them OP but god damn my entire team struggles against these two mfs every game
They are low elo hard stompers, but easy to play against them if you know what you are doing
@@Chickenburger-2 it sucks because i feel like i can lane pretty well against them but having teammates feed them into oblivion is like a death sentence for the game because just as jonas said a warden that gets ahead can roll everything
Not gonna lie , i was tired of that Valorant grinding too , same thing everyday , headshot, getting headshot , lineups , always the same , i've transitioned to deadlock too recently and was happily surprised when i saw you did too ! I'm happy i can still watch my favorite streamer/youtuber by sheer luck :)
But you can change to play other agents though? The game don't force you to follow the same path
@@itsCynos Yeah, but there are things called meta which is the true and tested strat that could guarantee you a win if done right. If your focus is to win in ranked, then you can just keep grinding even though it's boring. You might want to use X agent but you gotta fill an empty role if you want to win a game and not ruin it for everyone in the team by being selfish.
Valorant also allowing mirror match that encourage this type of strategy (just meta vs meta) while Deadlock is similar to Dota which doesn't allow mirror match that encourage unique strategy depending on the heroes that the enemy is using and also item builds that they're pursuing (you can see their item build in game).
So you can have situation where you might want to use another hero just to spice up your game and potentially still winning. This is the fun aspect of MOBA in a game like this.
The way that IceFrog manage balancing is also pretty good. Just make everything overpowered so then no one is overpowered. Everyone has a chance to demolish their opponent.
is there a way to early acces this game? it just says to add to wishlist on steam and release date is unconfimed. I am assuming that it will release in late 2025 or early 2026.
Valorant solo queue was my worst experience ive ever had in video games not even lol made me giving up on humanity. People are either egotistical or just dcs 😊
@@thanos7151You have to be invited by someone in the beta, drop your steam friend code and I can send you one if you haven't found anyone yet
I literally cant wait for youe deadlock videos and streams!! I love this game
i actually really like this list, and the thoughtfulness that went into it, i think its a very solid and meaningful set of insights.
You even highlighted counterplay, which i think is essential to making a reasonable list like this
in particular, highlighting how bizarre yamato, seven, and haze are was good
yamato is unironically the most terrifying character to fight, and good yamato mix up the timing of their ult for start->mid-> pre death which makes her insanely difficult to fight against, but a poorly timed ult is just a delayed death, and most yamato are NOT good yamato, and her kit is ALL OVER THE PLACE where you can never build into everything she WANTS to do, and really end up ignoring something, often to her detriment. You have this bizarre playstyle that has to change every single match because which abilities you emphasizes changes so drastically, and i dont think the player base has the skill level to use that yet.
seven is...yeah. nail on the head. early on: ult to win. as you learn more, stuns and cover go brr.
Good thing Yamato is getting reworked fully, even visually
@@Chickenburger-2 I'm looking forward to the rework
bro is trying way to hard to not get lash nerfed no way u dont think he is S he is easily a top 3 character if not top 2
Lash is amazing but only if you play him perfectly, and he can be shut down early in the laning phase because if he misses the timing to get his items, he becomes much less of a threat
He’s also pretty hard to play, there’s a reason he has the lowest pick rate
Lash is C tier no cap 🤓 dont nerf plz valve
Currently slightly above a 50% winrate (like 50.7) and about 30% pickrate, doesnt seem that problematic statistically
@@hittite_gaming where can you see those stats?
@@hittite_gaming moba characters historically have depressed winrates if their skill floor is quite high, so i think it's fair to say that Lash's winrate on people who actually know how to play him is likely a bit higher than ~51%. A 50% winrate Lash is always going to be a stronger character than a 50% winrate Abrams or Seven, for example.
Can’t wait for the new Deadlock content, bring it on!! We all loved valorant but this feels like a needed and exiting change to your content plus it’s good for your mental health. Happy all round we love u Jonas!!
New game old jonas
Back to his groove
I would argue that Warden should have been bottom of S or very top of A. He has extremely safe laning phase and has an extreme power spike with slowing hex and late game has one of the stronger gun builds and still gets to keep one of the few point and click ranged ccs in the game. Also by pure numbers I believe he has currently one of the highest win rates overall (Dunno about high mmr specifically).
He's also one of the tankiest carries in the game.
Yeah Warden is very strong!
Lash is who Doomfist wish he could be
Doomfist does uppercuts, but Lash... well he's the better man. That's why he does divekicks.
All your deadlock vids have been great, super helpful for someone just starting to get into it, thanks man!
No way one of my favorite Val TH-camrs migrated to my new obsession, this is great. Solid vid, Jonas
Im curious, what is high elo? Are you able to see your MMR? Thanks!
I assume you dont know this, but ivy can carry an ulting Seven... this is the most OP thing in this game by far.
very op the ultimate
That just got nerfed.
@@Omar_Al_Seddik it got buffed
@@Chickenburger-2 Huh? Seven's ult now deals 50% damage when he's carried by Ivy.
As someone who hasn't played mobas or team shooters since 2015 or so, Deadlock pulled me back in and I'm interested in seeing where Valve takes it. Appreciate the video. Lots of good insight.
This is my first MOBA and your vids are very helpful! I think I like shiv a lot, I've also been trying to play paradox a bit more
Have fun Jonas, thats what games are made for, we still love you and we are glad that you found joy again. 💘
Thank you for reordering them within in the tiers!
Hey Jonas. I've seen your videos before but now that I'm switching to this game from overwatch, I can subscribe! Can't wait to see the content.
I love mo and krill. Hes such a fantastic jungler but hes also an amazing enabler. So many fights can be won by burrowing in and catching enemies off guard.
I'm enjoying deadlock vids from you! Keep it up 💪
hey jonas, love the tierlist but I was wondering if maybe you could show some videos of the heros your talking about, to help new players see a bit better how they play.
Agreed
Man Im just happy I get to watch more Jonas
Dude you are my go to deadlock cc right now keep up the good work
"My main is not top tier, he's hard character to play and you have to be a good player to play him well" I don't know if that is true in this case but I have played way too much fighting games to not smell bullshit.
As a beginner/noob, its true lmao
Here from flats spotlighting your Val Exit video Abrams is my favorite so far
i would love to see a Tierlist based off Beginner friendly like "Easy to pick up but hard to master"
Good idea!! I’ll definitely do something like that
Was never really a val fan however now that you're making deadlock content im probably going to watch all your vids!
You almost nailed it with Paradox. She is actually insane pretty much all game long. Her abilities sound pretty meh on paper but she can be absolutely a pain in the ass if the person knows what they are doing and like you said, "There isn't a lot of Paradox mains out there." She can completely flip an entire game with just just one ability or two. She is super slept on. I know other people said that same thing early like saying she is S tier. Dude, your gut instinct was right. She is pretty crazy (if you know how to play her).
the algorithm read my mind, I was like lemme check out a tier list for deadlock characters. TY Jonas.
YO!!!!!! I was waiting all day for the new Jonas vid! It's finally here!!
I'm a Korean viewer who's always enjoyed your Valorant play. I think it was very right to pivot to Deadlock to be honest. The reason for your channel existence was this game!!
McGinnis turret spam with healing is insanely strong. Echo shard / rapid recharge / healing booster / spirit life steal. You just dash around in your healing aura and can sometimes use your echo shard to have 2 heals down. Heals for like 600 a second or something its so silly. And while everyone is pumping into you; you're dealing 1000 dps with all your turrets down. It's actually insane.
Just subbed! Great video! Loving deadlock
Stoked about the shift to Deadlock. I got sick of Valorant when CS2 came out so I’m glad to start watching you again
KEEP MAKING DEADLOCK CONTENT GLAD YOU SWITCHED OVER!
Awesome video! I'll follow u for deadlock content!
Cool video, thanks for the info partner. Nice to see you doing well, glad I discovered your stuff.
You seem like a dope dude!! I’m excited for deadlock man. I haven’t been invited but I know the game is oh so good. (I’m a Valve fan boy😂) excited to watch your stuff as well man! Cheers to new beginnings!
Deadlock is so insanely good. I think prefacing it with these heroes are all super close that a tier list like other games, doesn’t do it justice
I agree with this! Its very close in some cases
not my gurl ginnis being the only one in C teir lmao!
(but you right lol)
Haze and Wraith are my two favorite characters so far. Lady Giest is fun but I don't enjoy the playstyle too much.
idk anything bout the game but i just play the vid in the background as i do stuff 😁will support your vids as much as i can, and maybe i'll start try out Deadlock :DDD
Nice video jonas
Just started playing the game, looking forward to call the content you're gonna cook up for it :)
I still LOVE valorant, but deadlock is pretty enjoyable and Im happy to see you happy and making videos you can personally enjoy
First heard of this game from your last vid and the vid was good I decided to download it. Turns out it’s still invite only so I signed up on the sub and here’s hoping that I get lucky. In the meantime, hope there’ll be more videos to tide me over!
Love seeing some Deadlock content, such a fun game so I ate this tier list up! Pocket is they/them btw!
Oh sorry I was not aware! Thank you
Where the fuck did you even find that out
Get a fucking life😂😂😂 they are a video game character and are just as made up as those imaginary pronouns
Fuck that they them bullshiy
Got 13 hours in the game and thought I'm getting the hang of a MOBA, while occasionally getting shit on by a Bebop for some reason. Hearing you talk about how heroes are supposed to be played and how impactful the late game items are, I realised I'm still very much in noob lobbies. I dread the day I go against someone who knows how to minmax their character and I'm stuck for 40 min playing against something I got no clue how to counter.
I think more has to be played with yanking and uppercutting teammates with less mobility when it comes to bebop. More readily available and instant than ivy ult for less range. I feel like ivy and bebop together as enablers would totally walk over everything. The hyper beam could used some scaling or some defense boosts while using, become a mini walker.
I feel like everyone is good and I have seen basically everyone carry a game. I think it comes down more to the players experience and the build they are using as some builds just do perform better than others. I hope this game will get Dota level balance where everyone is pretty balanced. Currently I think some characters are a little too powerful but not by much I just want some changes to happen. For example ivy carrying seven during ult which is by far the most OP thing in the game.
Great video thank you
I am a tierlist monkey. If you made a hero tier list video or like an updated tier list video for every patch, I'd watch every one.
Omg so glad to see you doing deadlock content now. Was fun to sit through and watch this.😭
Also i thought Pocket was they/them since they are referred as such in their bio.
For me Talon is better than Vindicta. In late game his damage from arrow is greater than Vindicta's sniping. Because it has better scaling with spirit. And can be used on all targets while Vindictas dmg on targets with more than 50% hp is a low. And arrows are available more often. His speed is better as you said it scales with spirit. And ultimate is very good in some specific moments. But yeah extra souls from Vindicta are amazing.
Just the fact that vindicta can only do long range aa until targets are low enough to snipe them is meh
My top 3 most played are Shiv, Haze, and Lash.
Yeah Shiv is so broken with a Spirit/Tank build I was straight up 1v4ing in the late game with no problem.
Subbing cuz deadlock brother! Been watching you for a long time...and been waiting for a new fix...this is it...and your the man! Let's goooo!
pretty good list tbh, i think deadlock is going to suffer from a few issues if the game doesn't change tho, for 1 there is WAY to much cc in the game. that last way to long. having so many people with cc in a third person shooter just does not work. and then flex items need to either be unlocked in a different way or they need to be removed completely, they are literally just a win more mechanic whoever kills the turrets faster just snowballs because they can have more items and it makes it almost impossible to catch up and turn the game around.
Paradox is easily the worst designed character in the game. I completely agree with your friend's take: you cannot balance this character.
An easy example of her problematic nature is advanced burst. You CAN get Timebomb to proc this, and the damage becomes absolutely insane (with a tiny bit of setup it will take 60-70% of the hp off anyone who crosses the barrier), but without it is just kinda piss unreliable damage. The same goes for her Carbine - it just does so unbelievably much in a single ability that most of them must feel quite useless to balance it out (like it is now).
She impossible to fight, needs a rework
Haze is one of my favorites and I’m absolutely in shambles right now
my pet peeve for tier list is when everything is skewed towards S and A tier. S tier should be only broken or best. A for very good, B for average, etc. IMO, this tier list would be fine if you just shifted the whole thing one tier down, and put the best "S" tier back to S tier
Putting Seven on B tier is a violation !! It discredits the whole tier list…
My first thought when i saw *inactive movement in air but deadly pewpew* free fucking kills all of em (LASH MAINS REJOICE!!)
we wont have the vyse side of valorant ranked,no more double shocks,no more red and tie ult combo,and no more toxic jetts😭
his aura is returning from the cs days 😮
I think my biggest disagreement is mcginnis and i think she needs an adjustment. I don’t think she’s fantastic but i would have grouped her with b or a. A person with god aim building tank gun is crazy strong. Almost unkillable. Love this content though!
Amazing content!
Great teir list! I am complete trash but i love the game. Your 3 bottom teir heros are my go to. My favorite is ult bombing with haze, followed by sniping with spirit talon. Finally, mcginis' healing granade is powerful. I just think it is funny the 3 heros i am the best with are your lowest teir. Valve did a great job at balancing. Trash doesnt feel bad to play.
There will be a new updated tier list in a few days since patches have changed stuff quite a bit!
@@AverageJonas Don't change it! lol make it a meme! Haze on bottom.
Im probably bias since i main shiv, but i feel he's hard to play against because he excels at 1v1 just like how haze does. But in 2v1 or if hes CC hes much more easy to kill. Yes he does alot of damage once he gets going but i feel if you know some of his weaknesses hes manageable. Especially with trying to keep your distance from him as most as you can. Cause once hes on top of you...youre dead
Thanks for the heart jonas ❤
As a new player and McGinnis fan, this hurts me a bit. Just makes me more determined to figure her out and show what she can do! By the way, is there a link to that Viscous clip of you being saved somewhere? He's my backup main and I'd love to see it.
Its on my shorts feed!!!
@@AverageJonas Cool! Thanks!
Im loving this game im having to split the time I have to play between this and OW lol
Good to know that abrams is really strong I was wondering if I was just very bad at playing around him lol
Just the video i need..More Deadlock content pls. New subscriber here. 🫡
Lash spammers not having the capability to parry is classic 🙏
Did you really put warden on A??!?!?!?!! I average 30 frags on a 20 minute game and I peeked 52 frags
bcs most ppl don t know how to counter him
therefore warden can easily destroy 1v1 1v2 even 1v3
In a few months when everyone knows how to counter him, he'll be B-C tier MAX.
Ain't no way you AVERAGE 1.5 kills a minute. He's bad bcs he gets countered by braincells
I tested the owl build 👌👌 the enemies i think even reported me. Being capable of spam my ult every 20 seconds from my base and do considerable aoe dmg and stun enemies, felt like cheating.
New viewer here
Never cared about Valorant that game is so dull to me
Excited about deadlock tho
Lady Gheist is C tier. She folds so hard. Unless she has good support just about every other hero can out DPS her
how is lash not S, you literally get infinite ult in the lategame
Man i wanna play this game so bad and these videos don't make it any easier😭
McGinnis on C is wild.
She is even worser
@@diinx7089the worserest?
@@ylitkovod yup
Dynamo low A tier. Warden HIGH A. Yamato D tier. Mo & Krill mid B. Not a single chance MK is Top A tier. i have 300hrs in this game
Very accurate from my 60 hours so far. (Trackelo 1550)
fr people don't understand turret lady. best map control in the game
I think Seven is the most OP, his ULT annhilates everybody from miles away
Buy knockdown, basically just stops him from playing the game
I main shiv idc if he gets nerfed to the ground just dont change the ult chainability of it u can make the execution 15%idc its just fun making a comeback when my team dies and they all get low
not valorant side of valorant :(
have fun jonas, may our path cross again in the future
cant wait to play deadlock
This game is so much better than Valorant and it isnt even out of alpha LOL
hope they stick to the dota-like power levels of kits and items. Make everyone distinctly op in their own ways
Me and my cousin are doing the ivy seven duo combo goodluck running when i fly after you with seven ult and split all game😂