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- Haptic devices for sim racing. Bass shakers, vibration motors, buttkickers…whatever you want to call them, people have been telling me for years that I need these on my sim rig because they’re one of the best, and most cost effective upgrades you can get, apparently. But the whole setup for less than the cost of an iRacing subscription? Really? Let’s find out.
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0:00 Hello and welcome!
0:29 Do bass shakers help improve your driving?
1:44 Disclaimer! This is not a sponsored/affiliate video
2:12 What you’ll need to get your own bass shakers
3:11 How to install and set up the bass shakers
8:00 Download my SimHub bass shaker profiles
9:23 What do these bass shakers feel like?
10:24 The hard data, just look at these graphs
13:27 Bass shakers - The positives
15:04 Bass shakers - The negatives
16:30 Are bass shakers worth it?
#bassshakers #simhub #simracing - เกม
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"Get" instead "make", so not DIY.
Reminds me of a musician I used to know. He thought using pre-recorded loops was cheating, so started making his own using samples. He then thought that using samples was cheating, so recorded some real drums instead. After that he thought that programming drums was cheating, so went out and learned to play drums for real. Thing is, he didn't like the drumkit from the store so decided to make his own. After that he thought that using pre-made drum skins was cheating, so found a goat and skinned it. He thought that that was cheating too, so started a goat farm to grow some more from scratch.
I haven’t heard much music from him lately, what with the goat farming and all.
@@DDFRacer One of my favorite replies of all time
@@DDFRacer Brilliant reply! That deserves a $10.00 box of Timbits.
@@DDFRacer What a great reply, first of all I thought you were “KIDing” with the goat 🐐 Good video also thanks.
@@DDFRacer spicy
WOAH!! DDF is it still you!? Your videos have always been quality, but you just went stratospheric with this one. Incredibly crisp through all the key areas. You absolutely smashed it today. Informative, funny, visually adaptive to highlight important facts, not too bloated with fluff. Absolutely stellar job mate. Personally I imagine these are a technology that will grow in the coming years and become integrated with sim racing gear as it gains popularity, and no doubt this video will have a hand in that. Thanks, much love xx
Ha yes, it's still me 👋 I didn't get my channel stolen or hire an editor! Thank you for the incredibly kind words, a lot of effort went into this one. Like I said in the video, originally I thought I'd knock this over in a couple of days but the sheer amount of trial and error that went into getting the SimHub profiles dialled in over the past weeks also gave me plenty of time to think about what I wanted to say, what footage to use and how to record it etc. My project folder ended up with 241 files worth 83GB eventually so definitely one of the biggest I've ever done 😅 seems to be worth it from what I can see so far though!
Never seen this channel, not even a simracer either.
Still quality video, hope your channel keeps growing.
Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated! Would you consider giving sim racing a go if you had the opportunity? 😉
I have never seen Simhub formulas like these! Super useful! Amazing work!
Happy to be able to help 😎 but the credit also goes to Rangey, Ragesaq and Blekenblue for a lot of the groundwork in the code I used 👍
As someone who has bass shakers I cannot believe I just found out about the record feature! Good stuff!
I am now on the Simagic P1000 with the haptics and I have a Buttkicker as well... I had given up on finding useful information about tire loads and generally during corner exit.. (have only configured tire lock and some curbs) thank you so much for making this video. I am gonna try your profile, you are awesome
No worries at all, happy to be able to help and give something back to the community! These last few weeks have been painful going through endless tests and tweaking of settings 😅 but hopefully it's all worth it. Super keen to know what you think and if any of it is actually useful.
@@DDFRacer I am impressed that you put the time to play with the offered telemetry and create your own calculations. I haven't tested enough to offer you useful feedback, but thank you nonetheless, I have always hoped that a very experienced sim racing youtuber would give something like this to the community. Cheers!
The quality of this video in terms of content creation (not pixel quality lol) is great! Definitely gonna check out some of your other videos
Thanks for the kind words 😎 much appreciated! I'm using a Sony ZV-1 as my main camera and my phone as a backup for the secondary shots in a few places, they're normally more than enough to get me through my live streams but can fall a little short when it comes to making these style videos. The camera itself is pretty decent though by all accounts so it could well be my capture card that's the issue 🤔 will have a look into that and see what I can do as a top of the range studio quality camera isn't exactly in my budget at the moment. Especially when my 8 year old Oculus CV1 VR headset is probably going to pack it in soon and need replacing 😅
this is the DIY video ive been looking for. thanks
Sorry it took so long 😅
Your presentation of your video is very good my friend, you deserve more views but you keep up this level and it’ll come for sure. Keep up the good work mate 👍
Thank you very much for the kind words, it's appreciated! Video quality doesn't always translate into views though unfortunately 😉 there can be the most creative and well-edited video but if it's about a topic nobody is interested in or doesn't have a thumbnail/title that makes you want to watch it then it'll never go anywhere. It's always a balance trying to find the compromise 👍
One really, really important thing about haptics is how you install them. They need to be really solid in their mounting, there should be no vibration or rattles. And everything on the sim rig needs to be tight. But, they are a game changer. I rate them more important to me than my SFX-100 motion platform. Also, mounting your rig on vibration isolating feet made for HVAC machinery will not only drastically reduce the noise but also make them more effective.
Absolutely agree 👍 it makes a big difference! I made sure everything was nice and secure, all bolts tight as tight as they reasonably could be etc. The clips of the shakers in action throughout the course of the video are probably a bit exaggerated to be honest but I had to crank them all the way up so my camera/mic would actually pick something up 😉 will definitely be looking into the isolation you mentioned though!
@@DDFRacer Well worth the few extra quid. I'm on the ground floor so don't have to worry about anyone underneath me. But I'm able to run my 100W haptics at 80% at 2am and not disturb anyone in the room next to me.
Less energy going into shaking the room = more shaking the rig!
Enjoying the videos. Your rbr co-driver for Janne V3 is awesome! ❤🔥
Ah thank you 😁 glad you're enjoying it! Between these shaker profiles and the codriver mod, it feels like these last couple of months I've been working on projects instead of videos... but I'm absolutely loving it. Feels great to be able to actually give something back to the community.
Dude I never knew about this. I'm into sim racing, now I have what I need in my Amazon cart, thanks for the info.
No worries mate 😎 happy to help out!
It's not at all cheap BUT have a look into the Smyth Research A16 Realiser. It can get complicated but the short story is, it 100% will accurately sim a 15.1.8 channel Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, or 13.1 Auro-3D surround system inside a pair of headphones. It will also allow for an external subwoofer (or two) to be attached as well for realistic sub and infrasub frequencies (or if you'd prefer, you can hook up your haptic system instead of external subwoofers). It's not the gimmicky 7.1 surround sound headphones that Logitech or whoever push. This is a prosumer/professional device created by one of the founding members of DTS, James Smyth.
I would be more than happy to walk you through it completely free of charge. I love your channel and want to see it pushed even further.
Having studied and gained a degree in Audio Engineering at university, I find this kind of technology absolutely fascinating so thanks for sharing, I hadn't heard of it before. I've had a look at the official website and wow, very impressive stuff and can only imagine how it would sound...but I think it will be remaining in my imagination for a while 😅 that's a very steep price tag indeed, especially converting to AUD and not including shipping or taxes, and completely out of my budget unfortunately. Even if it was, things like a replacement VR headset and CPU upgrade would take priority 👍 but a few years down the track, who knows.
Great video Dan, I run the same Nobsound card.
2 channels for me, one shaker on the pedal plate, and then a big one strapped to the back of the seat. Using the big one for engine rumble adds loads to immersion, especially in vehicles with big rumbly rear-mounted engines. Does not do much for lap time though!
One word of warning on having that dial cranked all the way up, the Nobsound can apparently overheat and cook itself if it is run on full power for too long. Not had it happened to myself, but have seen reports of it happening in forums etc.
Awesome info, thanks for the heads up about the overheating on the amplifier/soundcard mate! I'm not running mine anywhere near full beans, maybe around 50% or so? And no large shaker in the seat either, just the two smaller ones so should be fine 🤞 but a little electrical burning smell might actually add a little more immersion now that I think about it...
I have 6 . 4 Buttkicker Gamer 2's and 2 Dayton Puks. Had 4 Dayton BST-1'S before and they didnt last. I swear by Buttkicker, yes they cost more but the frequency range is larger and they are practically indestructable. Two floor plates left and right with a transducer each. My heels rest on these (pedals are inverted). Two on either side of my bucket seat. One on break pedal. The other on the accelerator. Each one isolated from the other and chasis via rubber isolators. Simhub is amazing piece of software. Ive taken rubber car mats cut them down the middle. Stacksd them 4 layers thick and put them under the four corner of my rig. This prevents the vibration from travelling through the floor. Only thing that does blow and need replacing are the amplifiers. Ive had 2 pop in the last 4 years and had to replace them.
That's quite the set up 😎 it's still quite early for me as these are my first shakers, but I can definitely see the appeal of having something like yours now, with all of the isolation between signals and additional channels. Sounds awesome mate 👍
Great video Dan.
Cheers JK, glad you enjoyed it mate! Looking forward to getting back out on a live stream and using these properly soon.
i have never heard of any of these devices, good video
Legit thought I had BenDeen leaving a comment for a second there 😆 thanks for the kind words, happy I could teach you something new today.
Superb. I have been wanting a buttkicker type device - I don't yet have a full size rig, but these look perfect. Already ordered. Nice one!
Congrats on your new upgrade 😎 you'll have to let me know what you think of them when they arrive and if you get the same kick out of them that I did.
@@DDFRacer Got the stuff... What PSU are you using? I only have a 12v to hand and I'm getting no sound, presuming 12v isn't enough to power them?
I'll have to double check and get back to you 👍 away from the rig for a couple of days but the amp came with its own power supply if I remember correctly and the spec on the product page says Power Supply 12V-24V/2.5A or above, hope this helps. 12v should definitely be working 🤔
@@DDFRacer Mine didn't come with a PSU.. I bought a 24V one and that seems to be working. Mounting them to the Fanatec CSL pedals was about the same as yours. The effect is not going to shake your feet off, but it is noticeable. Now I have to train my head to understand what it all means.
I just took delivery of an Omega GT Prime Lite, so I'll put everything together and see if things improve :D
Love my Simagic Haptic Pedal Reactor on my brake pedal! It really does feel like a cheat code, like you said. I mostly race iRacing and I thought it was pretty limited when I was tweaking my settings in SimHub, like I thought wheel slip info wasn't available for iRacing. I just have it set up for ABS triggering (but that doesn't help in non-ABS cars)... I'll have to look into your settings to see if I'm missing out on anything else useful. Great vid!
I'd be keen to know what you think 👍 iRacing is probably one of the weaker sims when it comes to how well it performs with the shakers but there's definitely still a lot of useable information, especially for scrubbing the tyres and feeling the wheels start to lose grip mid-corner. ABS is definitely a lifesaver but my profile should also take into account brake locking too for those non-ABS cars you mentioned.
@@DDFRacer Okay, iRacing being on the weaker scale of thing might explain the 'lack' of input I got from your settings Dan; (been on that too much recently tbf), but I still can't explain the lack of feedback from the wheel lock output - nothing. went back and forth with my jenky settings and it was on on mine and off on yours.
I'll spend some time on other sims and see what I get. Really wanted to get the 'judder' feeling into my profile and I'm far from being a technofile to work out how to generate those inputs leave lone how to go about that crazy math input you have going on there.
Great vid production and content - as always.
Cheers mate.
Will order this tonight
Definitely have a chat with Rangey about the specific cables you might need 👍 mine came pre-soldered and stripped so there might be a little bit of work involved perhaps. Shouldn't be anything too difficult though mate!
The only problem with haptics is once you've used them, racing without them feels pretty empty.
My rig feels dead without my haptics turned on.
I feel the same about VR
I've spent the last few weeks playing around in SimHub, recording footage, editing this video together and not actually doing _that_ much solid driving to be honest. Really looking forward to getting back to my regular livestreams and events now where I'll no doubt experience exactly what you're describing 😉
@@DDFRacer
You’ll find that the haptics quickly fade into the background and just become a part of the experience. It goes from being a conscious que of what’s happening to something your mind automatically reacts to without needing to think about it. Occasionally when I forget to open sim hub I often drive a couple laps and wonder why I’m so bad and everything feels so numb and dead. Then I realize what’s wrong open sim hub and all of a sudden I’m in the car. Engine rumbling. Everything vibrating. Violent shocks through the chassis from curbs, and wheel slip. A 4 corner setup like mine cost me around $150 usd to put together. Four 30w puck style transducers, a 4x50w amp, some speaker wire and a couple red/white to 3.5mm adapters.
Now you’ve got the first taste of haptics through just the pedals give a four corner budget set up like mine a try. It’s honestly a bigger difference than going from a G29 to a dd. I can only liken it to the difference between racing on a single screen and being in VR.
@@MrbishiCordia Same, never raced without VR anymore, not a single session even a chill one lol, feels so weird racing on a monitor after using VR.
Great video Dan been interested in this for a while myself. P.S your looking very stylish in that T Shirt
It's honestly one of my favourite tshirts mate, the material you used is superb quality and such a good fit 😍 it's a crying shame it's only a one off and not available at a merch store somewhere.
@DDFRacer ohh did I not tell you they are available now your dad has purchased a rather fetching white with green version
@@scbsimracingcommunity390 oh nice! He kept that one quiet 😉
Well, the Thermalito test times seem conclusive. That's a significant improvement.
Tempted to ask "how loud are they," but the answer seems clear: too loud for me. Shucks. I'd love to give this a go. I imagine one on each corner of my rig, feeding back from the four wheels.
Really good video DDF; while I must deduct a couple points for Nickleback, your T-shirt more than makes up for it.
Thanks for another great video Dan.
The biggest thing they were telling me was when I was sliding around too much. It's so easy to over drive the car and scrub the tyres which not only costs time going sideways instead of forwards, but burns them up much quicker too. Also helps keep the temps down and gives you more grip throughout the corner 👍 which is super noticeable with all of the elevation changes and funky cambers at Thermalito. I noticed it in other cars and tracks and also improved there too but maybe not quite to the same extent. Looking forward to doing some longer races and really testing out how much I can save on the tyres since that's always been a bit of an issue for me.
A few other people here in the comments have said that with sufficient damping (rubber mounts, gym mats under the frame etc) then the noise isn't really too much of an issue but it's never going to be silent, that's for sure.
Also, I wish I could say I was sorry about the Nickelback meme 😂 but I'm really not.
I haven't even loaded it up yet, and I will already say thank you (plus it helps with YT). I already have the exact same amplifier and had my bass shakers on my pedals but got frustrated setting them up. You just gave me the kick start I need to try again. Thank you again.
I paid a little less per puck and got a 4 pack of Dayton Audio 30W units (haven't used them enough to endorse them, but they are an experienced speaker manufacturer) . The other two are under my seat, but I don't have them hooked up yet. I guess they will give me butt cheek feedback as well! 😁
I am using Logitech G29 pedals with a TrueBrake mod and interface board. (I do highly recommend the True Brake mod. It feels just like my old manual disk brakes).
I replaced my G29 wheel with a Cammus C5. There is NO comparison. If you can afford it, the Cammus is far superior. Wow what a difference. I can't imagine that a stronger wheel will make a difference.
I'm also looking at the cammus c5. At the moment I have a spring return t80 wheel and simsonn pedals.
I think if I get this bass shaker setup $100, simsonn pro pedals $300 and cammus c5 $500 delivered. That should be as cheap and effective as you could want to get your driving to as good as it can be. So $900 Aussie dollars.
Glad I could give you the inspiration to get back on it mate 😁 took me a while and I almost gave up a few times but very glad I stuck with it, the end result is really nice. Hopefully my SimHub profiles can be of a little use to you 👍
As for Cammus, I haven't really had a great experience with them to be honest. Last year they offered to send me a wheel to review and hey, why not, might as well. Gave them my shipping details and personal information and...never heard anything back for a few months apart from starting to receive marketing and promo stuff from them which I didn't sign up for. Chased up about the wheel and was asked to be patient, that they're busy, working on it etc. Another few months, chased them up again and they said it had already been shipped and signed for on delivery but I definitely hadn't received anything at this end. Didn't exactly inspire me with confidence so I told them not to worry about it. I'm not doubting they're good wheels and do the trick, but the customer service side of things was definitely a bit sketchy and put me off.
@@DDFRacer I read that a lot, but so far I haven't had a problems to contact them for. There have been 2 software updates since I got mine. Their app update section is a little confusing, but manageable. I did have to pay a lot for shipping, but the unit is heavy. So far so good.
@@johnelectric933 happy for you mate 😁 if it's good and it works then that's what I like to hear. Haven't got anything against them and not out to badmouth anyone, just sharing a personal experience 👍
I love my base shaker. I would also highly recommend the Redion wind sim stuff. Works with simhub, adds a lot of a sense of speed , helps keep you nice and cool almost plug and play campared to base shaker setup, looks really cool on the rig although a bit noisy at full speed I would now never be without it. You dont know what your missing until you try and is about €150
I've thought about a fan many many times, especially considering the stinking hot and humid summers over here in Australia 😅 but unfortunately it wouldn't work for me as it would also be blowing on my mic and I don't think that would sound too pretty on my live streams...
@@DDFRacer Good shout!
They're pretty good, and pair up well with the nobsound amp, not too worried about blowing out the little shaker. Going on 6 months with it now and no problems. Although the wires are flimsy af, they're holding up so far. Prob not as good as the simagic haptics so I'll eventually get those and drive them with the same nobsound amp and simhub.
Good to know, thanks for the info 👍 I'm running the amp around 50% and the signals going to the shakers from SimHub are rarely at full, definitely never clipping, so hopefully I should get some decent lifespan out of them. That was definitely one of the concerns I voiced towards the end of the video, not really knowing how good these things are in terms of quality but at least 6 months sounds like a promising start.
great video and I have been looking for an amplifier like this, but would love to find a 4 channel to run the 4 I bought and have yet to install. Nice that it is USB and doesn't introduce all of the inevitable issues with another sound card in the PC
Yeah the USB side of things makes it super easy 👍 just behaves like any other output and no need to take the case off to install sound cards or the like. I'm sure there's a 4 channel version out there but worst case scenario two of these would do I suppose 😆
I bought two large ones for under my seat and pedals a while ago. I couldn't make it feel right back then. It felt a bit gimmicky and made a lot of noise, so I just stopped using them after a while. But after seeing you gained over a second, I might have to put in some time to tune it again😄
Or maybe I'll have to buy the smaller ones for the individual pedals too..
I reckon you'll be good with the larger ones mate 👍 and your placement should be fine too, from my research having one under the seat is pretty common and makes a lot of sense actually, it gives you a better sense of separation between the two channels. I made a profile for Richard Burns Rally too 😉
Hey Dan! Absolutely gorgeous video you got there! No doubt you visualized the bass shakers in the best way. And I was apparently starting to look into pedal haptics myself!
One thing that eludes me right now is the mounting bracket. I need a 3D print just like that. Think you can help me with it? ^^
Hey Ricky, sorry for the double up comment but not sure if you've seen Rangey's response on my Discord server regarding the brackets? Hopefully you can figure out a solution 🤞
Ooh, tempting ! Although will we get the full Rangey amplifier warmth experience? :)
I absolutely love that this is the first comment on the video 🤣 never let the Rangey fire meme die! 🔥🧯
Thanks!
Thank you very much mate 🧡
Would be great if you also show how you mount the speaker to the bracket itself too, wanted to see how I can adapt this to attaching to my rig
I agree, that would've been useful to show in the video 😉 unfortunately though the shakers came pre-mounted to the brackets by Rangey when he sent them to me. I've asked if he can drop by when he gets a sec to explain further 👍
The speakers have the little pillar on them. This has an M6 thread, I removed this and made a pillar out of washers with a small M6 set screw going through. I'll post a pic in DDF discord.
all the work that went into this went from a DIY project to a inadvertent commercial for the simagic haptics lol
Not quite sure where you're coming from with this take, being as I didn't mention that brand once in the entire video 😅
but hey, you do you.
@@DDFRacer ik it’s not against you I’m just saying I’m lazy and this is way too much work for me. Ain’t no way I’m gonna set this up with hours of tweaking when I could easily just buy the simagic haptics. It’s a joke ma dude
@@sumtingcool1235 Ah that makes more sense! Sorry mate, I didn't get the context of your original comment at all 🧡
hey, thank for taking the time to make = this video and provide instructions. noticed you had some sleeves and clips on cables coming from bass shaker...where those included or did purchase separately? if so can you share where to pick them up. in melbourne so can pick up locally,
Those were already pre-assembled by Rangey when he sent them to me so I can't help much there unfortunately 😉 I've asked if he can drop by when he gets a sec to explain further 👍
@@DDFRacer thanks mate, really appreciate that.
First off, very interesting video. Thanks for that.
Couple of questions.
#1 - How do the brackets mount to the shaker. The video or Ali Express don't make that clear.
#2 - The brackets are just bunnings ones, how did you ensure they fit the pedals? Just go instore and check them?
#3 - Did you have to fit longer bolts?
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it! To answer your questions:
1 - The shakers came pre-attached to the brackets when Rangey sent them over so I don't personally have the experience of how they were mounted, but from what he's told me, the disc underneath the shaker unscrews and can be detatched. You can then use a replacement bolt (M5 or M6, he can't remember) with a couple of washers to attach it to the bracket.
2 - The brackets had to be drilled from what I gather, so no issue ensuring they would fit as the measurements were taken directly from the pedals themselves when drilling.
3 - Ah yes, good point! I completely overlooked this in the video. The replacement bolts for the pedals do need to be longer, although the lower bolt can't be too long as it'll interfere with the spring when the pedal is depressed. In this case they're countersunk stainless M5 x 50mm and 35-40mm (not sure on the exact measurement of the shorter bolt as Rangey cut this down to size manually).
Hope this helps 👍
One change that wpuld make sense is to mount the shaker so that its movement is in the direction ypu want the feel to go, so in the direction of pedal travel.
No only would this increse the feel/power ratio, it will reduce vibrations through your whole setup.
So you could run it quieter and less vibration through your whole setup for the same feel through the pedals.
It's definitely something I've thought about and will probably play around with in the future at some point 🤔 makes a lot of sense having the axis of the shaker parallel to the pedal instead of at 90 degrees. These were the brackets Rangey sent though and I'm completely new to all of this so one thing at a time for me at the moment 😅
The manufacturers advice for those transducers is to mount them in that orientation, so that's why the brackets look like that.
@@rangeyrover so I'd assume when people use these under their seats they are recommended to mount them on their side as well?
I'd assume that is an ease of mounting reason.
I think I will buy these and try them out since I am very budget constrained at the moment :) I don't even have ffb yet lol should be a good additional chunk of information I'm missing.
Yeah, the Vibration issue was a killer for me. Sure, you can run them during the day, but then racing at nighttime will feel terrible. I live in a new apartment house in Germany, we are known for solid buildings in ger, but damn my neighbors heard them a lot.
I've had some other people mention in the comments that with enough insulating material under the rig (gym mats, car mats, HVAC material etc) then you can almost entirely eliminate the vibrations from transferring through the rig into the floor. That still doesn't eliminate the actual 'noise' that these shakers generate though so it's always going to be tricky in situations like yours unfortunately 😢
(also, I didn't know that Germany had a reputation for solid buildings 👍 thanks for teaching me something new today!)
You must avoid to send vibration to the rig. Use a bass shaker on your seat and mount the seat over four silent block. You can mount your pedals on silent block too. But you’ll get a bit of movement braking hard. Then put 8 rubber feet under the rig and place a rubber carpet on the floor.
It works. ❤
Currently researching for a first sim build - Why are the bass shakers different from haptic feedback from small motors like the simagic haptic motors or even the smaller motors you mentioned that are on your Fanatec pedals? is it just more cost effective and a different approach to get a similar/better end result?
The default Fanatec motors are essentially the same as the vibration motor in your phone. It's either on/off and only at one particular speed, it also takes a little time to gather speed due to the intertia involved in getting the shaft with the offset weight rotating. These shakers aren't a rotating motor though, they're effectively a little speaker and generate vibrations by playing back sound frequencies, specifically bass frequencies. They have a much quicker response time (important when things happen in milliseconds whilst driving) and can also be tuned to play back different frequencies and volumes. For example, the more grip loss I have, the more I've tuned SimHub to lower the frequency and increase the volume which makes for a very nice progressive feeling instead of just on/off.
Can't speak for the Simagic ones though as I've never used them, sorry about that!
Thanks
Ha wow, thanks Sean 🧡 I'm not sure if I can find Timbits over here in Brisbane but I'll try! Had a friend bring some over once when I was still living in the UK, even after several hours on a plane they hit the spot. Now you've just gone and made me hungry again...
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Yet another link between the audio world and the sim racing world. The amount of overlap is ridiculous.
Hey fantastic quality video DDF ! 👏🏻👏🏻
I see you reference Bunnings - are you living in Australia ? Or the UK? Or?
Born and raised in the UK, moved over to Australia nearly 10 years ago 😎 what I lost in Greggs bakeries I gained in Bunnings sausage sizzles.
@@DDFRacerwicked! Regarding the Bunnings brackets? Were you tempted to use something from Etsy that a sim racer had 3D printed? I hope you’re managing to keep Bunnings visits to less than one a week 🤣.
@@seatslider ha, the struggle is real 😅 but in all honestly this was sent to me by Rangey as-is so I didn't actually get a say in the brackets. He said he thought about 3d printing something but the brackets were much cheaper and easier for a "first try" kind of deal. There's definitely the potential to do something much fancier though.
Does the sound amplifier receive power through USB or is a Power Supply necessary (the link you provide leads to a product that is not available right now and I found one apparently the same without the Power Supply included)
The amp has its own power supply as it doesn't get enough juice from just the USB alone, so if you'll need to find one that has the power supply too 👍 a couple of other people have also mentioned the too, looks like AliExpress updated a few products and messed things up. Will refresh the video description when I can find suitable replacements.
Looks like you might have used an allen head when you should’ve used a torx head tool , you still might be able to get your bolts loose if you use a torx head tool. Try it , it will either work or it won’t. Couldn’t hurt at this point.
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Couple of questions. I use a wheel stand, not a full rig. Was considering getting 40w exciters as opposed to actual bass shakers as it will fit my stand better. Will this give me the same sort of feedback if i mount 2 of them under my pedal plate in my stand? Also, i know simhub has an option for gt7, but i also play acc on ps5. Can i set these for both games? I know there's an acc option, but i believe it's for computer. Is there a generic option that simply runs subs through simhub on pc picking up audio cues from my ps5 to work with acc?
Sorry for the delayed response, I missed your comment last week! Regarding the placement of these kind of devices, it's really open ended in terms of where you can put them 👍 in my case they're on the pedals but I know plenty of people who have them on their pedal plates or under the seat. There's actually nothing stopping someone from mounting them directly to a racing boot to be honest 😅 but I haven't seen that done yet so maybe it's not too effective...
Regarding ACC on PS5, ooof good question and not one I can answer unfortunately as I don't have a PS5 and only use SimHub through PC. If you can transmit data from GT7 over the network to your PC where SimHub is installed then I can't see any reason why you couldn't do it for ACC also...but don't quote me on that! Using a direct audio source for your shakers probably isn't a good idea though to be honest, it's just copying what you'd hear in-game and at that point you might as well just connect up a subwoofer. The beauty of SimHub is that it uses the game's telemetry and generates signals based on what's actually happening with the car, so you can get your bass shakers/exciters kicking in when there's not always low audio frequencies such as tyreslip.
to reduce vibration leaving the rig, have you looked into those interlocking puzzle like gym mats?
I haven't, but I certainly will be now 👍 thanks for the tip!
Great video.
Question should we go for the 40 ohm or the 80 ohm bass shakers ?
Also do the bass shakers come with the cables connected as well as cables with the amp ?
And lastly how did you attach the shakers to the brackets
Also interested in the answer to this
These shakers I'm using are 4 Ohm 👍 and the cables are not included with the shakers or the amp so you'll have to get hold of those separately. Rangey sent them to me pre-assembled so I'm not sure if he needed to expose the copper on one end or add connectors on the other unfortunately. Same deal with the brackets too, these were pre-assembled, but from what he's told me the disc on the underside of the shaker unscrews and you can use a bolt with a few washers to attach it instead of the disc. Hope this helps!
I used JST-PH 2.0 connectors from amazon to join the cables, but it really isn't needed, solder or crimp them together would also be fine. there isn't a lot of cable from the factory
@@rangeyrover thanks for the answers. You are gentlemen and scholars.
Really looking to do this myself but the amp is now out of stock. Any chance you could recommend another one which will do yhe same job 👍🏻
Ah bugger, that's a shame! I just had a quick look and this seems like the same thing so _should_ do the trick hopefully: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003181384420.html
Great video. I've done this project and its incredible but in my case i'm only using it for ABS, the rest is too much information (in my case as a beginner).
That's the beauty of SimHub though and doing it this way, you can decide exactly what effects you want to enable/disable and make it suit your specific needs, instead of being locked in to the FFB that a particular sim developer decides to give you through the wheel. No point having all of the extra stuff going to the shakers and being a distraction when you don't want or need it.
I did everything the same as you did. Same Shakers, Same Mounting Position, Same AMP. One difference. I play ACC as main Sim and unfortunately the AC Preset you created does not work except for the ABS and gearshift. I need to look into it how to make it work but would also be nice if someone could assist on this one.
Unfortunately AC and ACC are two completely separate games and probably use different data or at least have different strengths for wheelslip and sway/surge. My profile is for standard Assetto Corsa, not Competizione, so it wouldn't be configured correctly and would explain why certain effects are missing 🤔 I'd need to create a new preset but ACC isn't something I use so wouldn't have any data to work with. It might be worth having a look at my Discord as I believe there is someone else currently working on an ACC profile, or if you could send over some SimHub replay data I could take a look also 👍
@DDF Racer, would you consider creating a profile for ACC ?
Bit late to the party here 😅 looks like you already got me on Discord! Keen to see how you get on with the ACC profile though as you're definitely not the first to ask 👍 would need to fire it up and test it myself to double check it's all good but there could be quite the demand for it apparently.
What I'm curious to know is how might the feeling of this setup compare to a real-life racing car. I'm no expert, but I believe you can feel clutch biting point, ABS activation and possibly brake lock through the pedals of a real car. But what about wheel traction under acceleration and other driving characteristics? Can they be 'felt' through the feet (or by other senses) when racing in a real-life?
Racecars usually have stiff suspensions and no dampening stuff installed for comfy. They vibrate af once the tyres are scrubbing and basically the hole bottom.
From my research making these profiles, there's basically two ways you can approach this: immersion or information. I saw a lot of other people running effects like road feel, bumps, impacts etc which would probably be great for getting a sense of physically being in a car and feeling the road underneath you... but in terms of actual useful information that helps you drive faster? Not so much. That's why I focused on wheel slip and load 👍 and will be the first to admit it's probably nothing like what it would feel like in reality, but it's incredibly useful to get a sense of how the car is reacting. Without the g forces that real drivers experience all of this is a bit moot anyway I suppose 😅
Whether or not you can get it to mimic IRL feedback, your rig will come alive and will feel numb without it. It's worth diving into, even if you're a little skeptical about it. Play around with the values and shaker placement to find what works for you. Even adding one under the seat will change your experience for the better.
I'm picking up good vibrations
Oh you 🤦♂️
The setup with PC, will work with Gran Turismo 7 too.
Good to know 👍 I don't have a PS5 but a few other people in the comments have also mentioned this too. It's pretty cool that SimHub can receive data from another source on the same network and make these shakers GT7 compatible.
What is the difference with the sim 3d pedal rumble motors kit? What do you prefer?
Hi mate, I've had both, and I prefer the little shakers, as you can get a wider variety of sounds out. The motors are good, and I enjoyed them, but they are one tone really and they take a while to spin up.
I haven't used them personally but Rangey has and explained it perfectly above ☝️ hope this helps
Was thinking of this for a while and now I wonder. Is it safe to connect 3 of this small shakers to one sound card? Like two for pedals and one even small under seat? or for this i need another soundcard.
Think of each bass shaker as a speaker. The sound card he uses in this video is a sound card and 50w x 2 amplifier. Only two channels to hook up bass shakers to. You can get a 4 channel amp and a separate 5.1 channel usb sound card if you want to use more channels on one sound card. Or you can just get another one of these sound card amp combos to run 4 shakers.
As Alex pointed out already, unfortunately yeah this soundcard/amplifier can only support 2 outputs. You can maybe purchase two of them but it would definitely make more sense to try and find a bigger card/amp that supports more channels, would also keep it much neater only having the one device to power and also configure in SimHub 👍
@@DDFRacer ye, I wasn't sure so asked. Bought two small ones and one SC. If all will be fine, later this year I'll buy a big shaker under the seat.
@@-Dominix- that’s not a bad idea. Haptics on the pedals help enormously with pedal control and feedback. If you then run one big shaker under the seat it can do the work of simulating engine vibration, bumps, curbs, road texture and other such vibrations you’d find in a real race car. While the pedals can just transmit the useful abs and tire slip vibrations
@@DDFRacer Quick question, as I have it already installed. How do you set up volume on sound card? 50%? or 100% and 50% or less in simhub? Thx for video and guide, pedals feel more alive now. But need to get used to it a bit to get most of them and find a good settings for f1 23 as it feels weir atm.
I built bass shakers on my RIG 10 years ago (right and left on the seat, one on the pedal plate). Greatly increased immersion.
Unfortunately, the sim racing community has become so toxic that all fun is lost. Sim racing sucks...
I converted my RIG and now use the bass shaker to play Generation Zero!!! 😊
forget the community and trust the shakers
I think that a lot of the toxicity people see in sim racing can stem from their own approach towards it. Not saying you're a toxic person at all mate, absolutely not 🧡 but have you ever noticed that if you head out onto the roads with the expectation that everyone's a terrible driver then you're going to notice terrible driving a lot more? I certainly have 😉 and I'm super guilty of it too. When I first started in iRacing a few years ago I'd heard from several people that the community surrounding it was more toxic than other sims, and my negative experiences would far outweigh the positive ones, there may only have been a few but they stuck with me much more vividly than anything else because they reinforced the beliefs that I had going into it.
I don't think sim racing as a whole is an inherently toxic place, but there are certainly individuals out there who will do their best to make it like that unfortunately. Best thing you can do is pay no attention, don't let it get under your skin and just enjoy sim racing for what it is 👍 an awesome way to enjoy virtual cars, circuits and races from the comfort of your own home, especially if you can find a league in your timezone/area with like minded individuals and a regular schedule. Honestly, some of my best sim racing memories aren't even on the track. They're in a Discord voice channel after a race watching the replay together and making fun of each other. Just a case of finding the right community!
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Thank you for your words.
I "just" rode the XBox for the fun of it and never had the ambition to necessarily win. What mattered to me was fairness and good cooperation. I only drove the Nissan at ACC. The leagues were managed via Discord and were mainly regular drivers. I just wanted to have good races in the middle of the field and the top ten felt like a win for me. Unfortunately, others didn't think so. We had to win!!!
Friendly writing was done on Discord...until after the races. Then they tore each other apart!!! Not for me, because I tried to stay out of everything.😉 But this hostility took the fun out of it, people hardly dared to take on a duel.
It was enough for me when three people accused me of not having anything to say since I was only in the middle of the field anyway. I was a really careful driver, making sure not to make any mistakes and always driving fairly. But something like that finally took the fun out of it for me. A search for another community wouldn't have helped because it was the same in all three communities I went to. And on the XBox the selection of communities is very limited. But maybe the fun will come back at some point...🤷
Sorry for my bad English. I come from Germany...
@@Jajaja.. You'll kind of have to get used to it, some people put their pride on the line, after all ^^
Yours are much louder than mine--and yours sound much more metallic. Probably because yours are cantilevered. Mine are pretty much bolted to the back of the pedal.
I have to admit, for the purposes of recording some useful footage where you can actually hear the shakers, I cranked them all the way up to exaggerate the effect for the video 😅 I can guarantee you they're definitely not that loud/rattley for regular use, they're much more of a low rumble. It's quite hard for my mic to pick that up though and it's hard to convey those bass frequencies without having the shakers physically in the room with you. I'm looking at a better mounting solution for the future though 👍 but the manufacturer doesn't recommend using the shakers in a vertical position so it'll be tricky.
stuck bolts aren’t just a fanatec thing. Cheap metal bolts are. 😂
I wouldn't do USB, it has delays on the effects. 3.5mm has lower latency
On a technical level, yes you're correct, USB does have a higher latency than direct audio but for this level of equipment I wouldn't say it plays a _major_ factor. The response time is still pretty good and also significantly better than what you'd get using motors which require time to spin up due to the inertia, but for the cost of this shaker setup you'd probably struggle to find a non-USB soundcard for the same price 👍 and I think the plug-and-play aspect of the USB would appeal to many more people than taking the case apart and installing a new card too.
Where did you source the brackets?
These were from Bunnings (I'm based in Australia) so any kind of local hardware store should do the trick 👍 they're just regular old brackets with a couple of holes drilled through.
lol, surely NOT if you live in the flat ! or anywhere with neighbours ! :D
Absolutely not 🤣 unfortunately those vibrations are definitely going to travel like I mentioned a few times in the video 👍
What Logitech TrueForce exactly does.
Yes...but not really. Trueforce uses some physics data to generate additional FFB through the steering wheel, whereas these bass shakers can be mounted _anywhere_ (in my example, pedals, but plenty of people mount them under their seat also) and also can be completely configured through SimHub to your own personal preference, not what Logitech decide. Also these are useful for anyone that doesn't have a Logitech wheel 😉
bass shaker links broken :( and amp links
Bugger 😬 they must have changed in the past few days, someone else has also commented the same. Thanks for letting me know, I'll look into it and update the links when I find suitable replacements. Another point to add to the 'Negatives' section in the video if I'd have known beforehand.
I use 4 of these some months ago. All broked in about 1 months.
I did mention this briefly at the end of the video, about how the quality and lifespan of the components is a big unknown, so this is good information, although maybe not what I wanted to hear 😬 were you running them at full volume for long periods of time maybe?
@@DDFRacer hi, not full volume because their vibration on pedals is very high. I use every day for about 2 hours. The problem is that the thin metal membrane breaks
One thing. How you have attached them is not very convenient. They move up and down now. You want it attached vertically so it's pushing forward and backward. Pushing against your foot.
When Rangey sent me these shakers, he'd already pre-attached them to the brackets in that configuration...but for good reason 👍 according to the manufacturer it's not recommended to use them in a vertical position and they strongly suggest using them horizontally. I also noticed there's not much space around the back of my pedals to mount these shakers without interfering with the springs and hinges when the pedals are fully depressed, particularly the accelerator, and this offset gives me enough room to avoid that. I'm sure there's a more graceful and efficient mounting solution, but for a couple of dollars this isn't too bad at all 😉
@@DDFRacer hey, if you can feel the vibration individually on each pedal then it's all good. 👍
I have the Sim3D motors but I can’t seem to dial them in, they don’t give me any useful information. I really can’t be bothered to spend weeks dialling them in, I wasn’t a plug and play product.
I'm not familiar with those motors so not entirely sure if you can connect them up to the SimHub software but if you can, it might be worth giving my profiles a try to see if you like them 👍 download links in the video description. This area of sim racing is still relatively new/unknown so there aren't really any 'off-the-shelf' solutions unfortunately and there's definitely some time investment needed to get them dialled in to your preferences, something that put me off shakers for a long time too. If Rangey hadn't insisted then I probably still wouldn't be using them, but I'm very glad I stuck with it.
@@DDFRacer yeah they do run off of simhub (I’ve paid for the license), il give your profiles a try, thank you!
@@DDFRacer the only problem I foresee is that the sim3d ones are motors rather than bass shakers
What wires did u use?
Good question, and not one I can answer unfortunately as I don't know the specific wires that Rangey included when he sent me all of this gear. I'll find out and let you know though 👍
@@DDFRacer Generic speaker wire from Jaycar. These aren't high power devices.
get a good subwoofer and touch it with your chair :)
I love it 🤣 the budget version of the budget version.
Gt7 compatible?
Ah unfortunately not mate, this is all done through PC so unless there's a way to install third party software on PlayStation that I'm unaware of you're out of luck I'm afraid.
@@DDFRacer all good. I have a PC too haha
Simhub is GT 7 compatible. Bind to the IP of the PlayStation using simhub running on a PC and these shakers can run. You would have to make your own profile tho @@DDFRacer
You can send telemetry data from GT7 to simhub on a PC. So yes, technically compatible.
@@therevjt85 Ah well there you go, you learn something new every day 👍 I'm guessing you can transmit the telemetry over the network and configure SimHub to listen to a specific IP and port?
You mean to tell your viewers you've been a Sim Racer all this time and you're just getting around to using shakers? 😭
And if it wasn't for Rangey Rover sending these to me in the mail I _still_ wouldn't be using them 😅 but in all seriousness, they've not really been anywhere near the top of my list because of several reasons (noise complaints, no obvious consumer grade easy plug and play solution, wheel FFB being more than good enough etc), although having a very average experience with the HF8 last year probably put me off too. Even for the first few days of getting these bass shakers set up I wasn't convinced to be honest, but a few weeks of trial and error and I'm definitely convinced otherwise now. Loving them!
@@DDFRacer yeah I feel naked without them 👍
#shill
You know it 😉 shameless advocate of Rangey Technologies Pty Ltd!
Your audio and vid are out of sync, sorry man, that's an insta close for me mate....
Ah righto, no worries, thanks for letting me know 👍 I didn't notice any desync issues when recording or editing, might have been an issue with the rendering or upload maybe? Either way I'll look into it and get it fixed for future videos and streams.
@@DDFRacer I'll check back in and see you managed to fix it in a while, sorry buddy, it just weirds my head trying to watch :D
Haptic devices, Bass shakers, Vibration motors, Buttkickers are all a waste of money. They will never replace the actual experience of being in a race car. I've seen a vid about another yoke that you wear and it has pressure pads in it that are linked to the game to simulate pressures on certain parts of the body when the car is doing certain manoeuvres - braking, accelerating, turning etc, but none of this stuff, including VR, can simulate the sense of speed. Do not waste your money. Save it and go for a test drive in a race car and feel the G-Forces for real. Sim Racing isn't a replacement for real racing. And before VR users @ me, sense of speed includes that feeling when you've no control of the car and you're heading for a very bad crash, that in real life you may not walk away from. No quick return to Pits.
yeah lemme go spend a fortune on a car and racing instead of buying a sim for a few thousand bucks, very reasonable
Yeah, well, my dad isn't lawrence Stroll, so sim racing works for me at this point in time
No thanks not interested in racing one real car when I can race many on many different circuits for the cost of electricity. No one was stating it was comparable to real racing either.
Yeah Max Verstappen, you are foolish for doing sim racing. Especially in your trailer on race weekends. This guy knows much better than you.
Glad to see someone has a LOT of money for a hobby. The rest of us without tens of thousands of $ to burn shouldn't even try. /s
If you can afford these test drives and track days then that's awesome 👍 I would dearly love to be able to do that as well but unfortunately it's just not an option for me, not on a regular basis at least, or enough to satisfy my fix. Even if I _could_ afford it then I'd only get to experience it every now and then and with a very limited selection of cars and circuits, compared to jumping in my sim rig and putting on my VR headset any day of the week I like. No travel, no additional costs, no strict schedules. If I feel like a virtual practice session or a race then I can just walk to another room in my house and be 'driving' pretty much any car at any circuit in the world within 5 minutes tops.
Absolutely in agreement with you that it's no replacement for real racing and I don't think anyone would argue the point too hard that it would ever be a replacement to be honest. There's no substitute for the sense of speed, the g forces and the danger exactly like you said, but calling it a waste of money is a bit of stretch. If it's still enjoyable and much more accessible/affordable to a far greater number of people then where's the harm? Actually, there's probably more people doing track days and real racing _because_ of sim racing to be fair 😅 after trying it out in the virtual world and then wanting to experience it for real.