Suzuki Alto / Nissan Pixo Gearbox Removal Repair and Replacement
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2020
- How to remove and replace a gearbox on a Seventh generation Suzuki Alto or Nissan Pixo.
This particular car is a 2014 car with 27,000 miles. It is the seventh generation HA25 and practically identical to the badge engineered Nissan Pixo. Fitted with the 998cc KA10B 3 cylinder petrol engine and the 5 speed manual gearbox.
In some markets this car might also be called the Mazda Carol or Suzuki Celerio. The gearbox might be called the YC5 or AMF310.
The bearing kit for this box on ebay:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-Alt...
If you can find a reputable gearbox specialist near where you live and have the bearings changed or have the gearbox overhauled but it will cost more. The bearings that went into this gearbox were KOYO bearings. Debate could rage as to whether i should have changed the other bearings and synchros within this box but they all looked and sounded fine.
My attempt at showing the gearbox input shafts being changed, ie a slower version of what appears in this video:
• Suzuki Alto gearbox re...
The jazzy soundtrack that appears in the video is from www.bensound.com - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Great video, very detailed.
The gearbox looks to be the same Aisin 5 speed box that is also in the Splash, possibly the Swift and also the Vauxhall Agila B. The same caged bearing went on our Splash and I removed the box, split it and found the bearing cage had disintegrated. Cost £25 for an identical bearing and the main cause is low gearbox oil levels (from a leak) as this bearing is in the casing recess and prone to lesser oil coverage, or failure to renew the GL4 transmission oil every 3 years which is a must for these Aisin gearboxes.
Grateful for this nice and complete video allowing to have a look of each part under the bonnet.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video 👍
Thanks Ian really appreciate that.
You have good patience, not as easy as they look to do
Many thanks from Germany 🇩🇪
Perfect 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for replying,
With a bit of luck it will fit as I can't get a pixo seal ,only could get my hands on an alto :)
yes it is very detailed!! 🏆 and so much work to do, its look a lot of work!
It is quite a bit of work, but it saved quite a bit of money doing it this way.
Great job sir
Hi, I’ve found a workaround for not having to remove the manifold, if you go underneath the manifold and look between the gearbox and the pendulum mount (driveshaft must be removed to see this far up) you’ll see a lower bolt for the pendulum and another bolt above it, the higher bolt is the starter bolt. Remove the pendulum bolt and push a shallow 14 onto the starter bolt. To the right if you follow the level of the bolt to the right there should be a bracket with a bit of loom attached and an earth. Remove the bracket and the earth (10’s if I remember rightly) and push the bracket up. Attached a 3” 3/8 extension onto the shallow socket on the starter bolt and then a 3/8 to 1/2” adapter. The adapter gives just the extra little bit of length to get a ratchet on and not end up to close to the alternator. You won’t get much of a swing as the ratchet will hit off the subframe and the engine but it’s enough to break the bolt loose and then remove the ratchet and use the extension to undo the bolt :)! Hope this helps anyone that’s under a time restraint with the car or isn’t confident in removing the manifold!
Thanks for sharing that useful advice, it was my first alto im not sure if this was the most efficient way that i did it, and then sometimes im inclined to remove more parts just to be able to get a clear picture for the camera.
@@peugeotCitroen2CV same for me, first clutch on a pixo that I’ve done, sometimes find that the smaller cars are much more difficult to work on as everything is crammed in. Logged 14 hours on the job shamefully but it’s all a learning process
Hi sorry to bother you, amazing work. Had a question and it would be amazing if you could answer because it’s been a serious headache atm, at exactly 27:12 you plugged something in is that the reverse light switch? My reverse light and therefore my reverse camera aren’t working, new bulb, new fuse it’s frustrating 😬 thank you
good job
Awesome job!
Suzuki's are known for their bad gearboxes (also Swift).
I had heard it was a problem with suzukis, although last month i had a splash 1.0 which had no issues at all. Rather inconveniently the splash gearbox is a different code to the alto and there was not much support from the owners clubs in finding out if a splash box would have worked.
Definaltey got reminded of the fact suzuki gearboxes can be a bit weak with this one. Although if its just a case of fitting better quality bearings it might not be too bad.
Holy moly been driving my 09 Pixo like I stole it for 11 years. It is starting to make a noise like rusty rubbing brakes (not that) when rolling with clutch lifted. Hoping its just wheel bearings and not this! Gear oil needs changing every 10 years your video was useful for that. Thanks.
Fingers crossed, let me know if you get the brakes checked.
The gearbox noise on this car happened if it was in gear or even neutral with the clutch pedal lifted (foot off it). It sounded like bits of metal in a washing machine quite distinct from bad brakes.
Gear oil changes I have found on these boxes should be done every 3 years or 45,000 km if covering an average 15,000 kilometers (around 10,000 miles) per year - hence the 45,000 kilometer (30,000 mile) change interval in the Suzuki owners manual. The oil by then is already brown and at its end of service life. 10 years is way too long unless the car is only used occasionally.
Was just rusty brakes I think still rolling same oil since 5k LOL. Got a new problem now though airbag light wont go off. I hear its a common problem on these needs a new wiring loom in the steering column.
Great video
I have two Suzuki Alto's, one from 2009 (180000km) and one from 2010 (115000km).
Luckily no problems with the gearboxes. I did change the oil on both of them but didn't find any metal in the oil. Just a little bit on the magnetic drainplugs.
The Suzuki manual recommends changing it every 45000km. The preffered oil viscosity according to Suzuki is 75W90.
I did not know that there where any problems with these gearboxes.
Again great video.
Greetings from Holland
Hopefully they continue to go for many more years with no issues.
The wee bit of filings on the magnetic drain plug is entirely normal in a manual gearbox.
This particular car, it showed a record of the oil in the gearbox having been changed at 18,000 miles but something must have been wrong to it go bad so soon. Unfortunaltley it seems to be common judging by just how hard it is to get replacement boxes, a lot of the breakers said it was the first thing they sold.
Well Joop, keep on driving , I reached 400.000 km with the 1998 Alto - 4. Only regular maintenance, plus welding.
I have a Suzuki A-Star (Alto) running 77km and still going strong . Cheers 🥂
Helloo if my gearbox is giving problems in my Suzuki alto 2010 what other box can be use to replace it??
75w90 gl4 manual says 2,2 liters for an oilchange ?
Hi Mate! I think I am having the same problem. How much will you charge to change the geat box if I can provide you with a new one?
Great job from India...
Thanks for the comment
Why dint you fit the driveshaft oil seals when the gearbox was off ? Also why dint you simply top up the coolant with green fluid, instead of flushing.
Thanks for the upload! Im up to the part of separating the gearbox from the engine and ive got it off about half a centimeter but I cant get it off any further. Any tips? Thanks.
Hi, just check all bolts have been removed, there are no obstructions and also one of the alignment dowels could be snagging. A wee bit of wd40 round the dowels if you can see them might help to make it easier. Other than that its pry tools and be prepared for the weight of the box
I have the same car, is it normal that the engine shakes a lot? I have already changed all spark plugs and coils.
By its very nature the 3 cylinder engine is less smooth than a 4 cylinder, although i would not say from memory that they shaked excessively.
Is the car running in any way oddly, misfires or spluttering, engine management light?
Hi! I have a Nissan Pixo which okie to drive. But the gear shift is not soft at all. When i try to put it in reverse gear, it won't lock most of the time. So i have to put first gear and then reverse to lock it. Sometimes moving the car helps to lock the reverse gear. Is this the problem with the gear box or it's the design of the best box itself? I don't know when the gear oil was changed but will changing it fix my problems?
Hi i am not sure what you mean by the gear shift not being soft? Do you mean there is excessive resistance to getting it into a gear?
I am no gearbox expert, this was just me attempting to get this particular box working again as cheaply as possible. It was very obvious that some internal bearing had failed by the sound it made and then opening it up i clearly saw what bearings had failed and had them changed. For a selector issue you could be looking at the linkages or selector forks inside the gearbox.
Firstly look at the gearbox cables that go from the gearstick to the gearbox see if there is any obvious corrosion or resistance in them, or on the selector mechanism on the exterior of the box. It might be a case of something simple there. Failing that the gearbox will need to come out and go to someone who works on gearboxes.
Hi I have a pixo with a leak from L/hand drive shalf seal ,are alto an pixo engines the same, like could i fit a drive shalf seal from a alto into pixo?
Great video😊
Hi there, i am not 100% sure as its not a car i specialise with. However i think the pixo and alto are essentially the same car underneath just a badge engineering exercise.
good
Great video, i have a 2009 Alto with the same issue, input shaft bearing, i am no way confident to take the gearbox out myself and have been quoted 750 quid to replace the shaft bearing, i am hoping it will last for now as you said in your vid its too much to spend on this car
What kind of sealant do you use for the gear oil inlet and outlet screw? Where is this sealant available?
Hi i think it was just the same regular RTV sealant i used for the two halves of the gearbox. It was just bought from a local motor factors.
Snap! I bought a 2012 Pixo (80,000 miles) at the car market for my granddaughter. It was in decent - not brilliant - condition and was very cheap. I also had that sinking feeling when I drove it home. Grinding, mainly in low gears - also very clutch is not brilliant. There were other, easily repairable, issues which I expected. I do not have hydraulic ramps but do have a pit and an engine support bar - not as good but should be achievable. Also little experience of gearboxes - changed them but have not stripped them. It would be brilliant if you could upload your gearbox overhaul at normal speed. There are some Asian videos on TH-cam but I do not speak the language and most are for earlier models. P.S. Loved the test run in NI countryside - reminds me of my youth (many years ago) around the Limavady area. I notice that the ebay kit had jumped to £99.74 - still o.k. though
Clutch could be gone at 80k, these are popular with 1st time drivers and for use in urban environments which will get a lot more wear than a car that mainly does motorway miles.
I think this job should be doable on the ground with axle stands, definitely read my fair share of forum threads with people doing clutches on their driveway including on a 406 V6. At the very least you have the inspection pit which helps somewhat.
I will try to tidy up the gearbox disassembly segment its very much a lot of waffle talk.
Ah Limavady a nice part of the country im based down in County Armagh.
The ebay kit is not what i fitted to this car, i went to a gearbox rebuilder who had his own trade only supplier and fitted KOYO japanese bearings which should be good items.
Nice job...lot of work. i need to inspect the starter for slow cranking, probably replace it..do you think it's possible to do without removing the intake manifold?
I was hoping to be able to reach it by removing the alternator and intake resonatorbox only..what do you think?
Unfortunately it seems necessary to remove the intake manifold which in itself just wouldn’t be just as handy as some cars such as nissan or toyotas mainly due to coolant pipes needing to come off.
Access was tricky with the manifold out i dont think I could have done it with it in situ
@@peugeotCitroen2CV thank you very much for your reply, i will keep this in mind when i get to look at the car..removing the intake and draining the coolant for replacing the starter was not what i anticipated for, since there is apperently no other way of getting in there (and i'm working on the street) i will get an other starter before beginning this job and maybe replace some other parts while i'm in there..
warmer weather would also be nice ;-)
thanx again
@@yurigoosen2523
I would recommend the suzuki alto owners club there is also a pixo one, now i found that the intake manifold had to be removed but then im not working on these every day, there might be a chance someone on there has a better trick for getting the starter out but i reckon from that time it required the manifold to come out. Normally i take a more elaborate route in these videos as it can cover a few different other repairs at the same time.
@@peugeotCitroen2CVit's a Pixo and it's my wife's car, my day job is in IT and maintaining the pixo is kind of a hobby while trying to reduce costs at the same time..replacing a dead battery unfortunately did not resolve the slow/weak starting rpm so i will have to look in to that before it will not start at all..it is also idling rough like it's running rich, so maybe it's a good thing taking it apart and cleaning injectors , throttle body and egr in the process.
i'll try to find the forums or owner clubs but have not found something usefull before
Subscribed it....i have the same car right hand drive....
Thanks for subscribing.
Right hand drive, same as here then?
Could you please make a video on various sensors this car and their cleaning, location where they are. Your videos are good , makes us confident of what we are watching is reliable.
Unfortunately i have since sold this car, and i don't plan on buying another alto, it was a slow car when it came to selling on by that i mean not much interest from potential customers which would put me off buying another. It was only bought as a bit of a project to do something when off work last year due to covid.
However, the information should all be out there to do a bit of independent research. It is quite a simple engine in these cars, sensors would not take too long to figure out. unfortunately Suzuki did not make the manual too easy to find for this alto but get the likes of a haynes manual for a Toyota Aygo and see the location of the sensors and their names.
This is a different engine but if you get a grasp of the sensors on one engine the theory will carry over to another. Owners clubs may also be a good thing to join, model specific issues will be frequently discussed, any preventative maintenance to avoid a common problem, or quick fixes for that car should be detailed. The owners club here in the UK/Ireland i will admit was not very busy. However, i recall you mentioned you are from india, i belive these were built there? Are they more common in india, perhaps it is easier to find technical information and there might be a larger owners club? I am interested to know.
@@peugeotCitroen2CV Thanks for replying , i drive this car , and the production was stopped in 2015 . Still we see at least 4 to 5 on the roads when you go out . Good idea ,
to join a group , let me check . Frankly , i enjoy driving old vehicles and learning on them , only thing is i dont have a space of my own where i could do my R&D. Cheers n Thanks.
@@Dholiist Good question
And agree with your comments on the quality of the videos.
Did you have any luck with sensors? I need to access the speed sensor on my 2012 alto as getting p0500 error code.
@@alastairjulie1421 Hi there...i willncheck with the Mechanic here and revert for sure. I have some pick up problems when i change gears ..especially it dumps down the moment ishift to the 2nd one . May be bec i have a cng kit fitted ..but the sudden loss of power on shifting to second is really annoying especially when you are ascending up the slope.
@@Dholiist Cheers Sir
top job, but kind remark. i would not run it on the ramp with the driveshafts at max angle.
Thanks for the comment,
It seemed one way to gently test the gearbox after putting it back together no load on it to hear for any odd noises. Done it plenty of times with a variety of cars, never had any trouble.
You change the clutch? Or left the old one?
Hi there,
I used the original clutch again, visually it did not show significant wear to require replacement and the car had fairly low miles. Of course it is an ideal time to replace the clutch if it does look like it needs to be replaced.
what is the qty and grade of gear oil that is to be added , my car has done 76000 kms . I would want to use synthetic oil if allowed.
Just double checked... 33:15 'approximately 3.4 litres to fill this gearbox'. Its as well i put that into the video as i usually forget it haha. You would be best buying 4 litres. I remember having to go back to the shop to get more oil.
Oil type i cant remember, and dont see any photos from the repair that show the bottle. i just ask the local motor factors for the oil to suit the car. Opie oils says 75-80 which sounds like what i put into it. It was fully synthetic
www.opieoils.co.uk/f/706233/5332/2014/gearbox-oil.aspx
@@peugeotCitroen2CV Thank you so much.
100/100
My 2013 Alto they say engine mounts need replacing and the motor has to come out.
I say fuck that me will get them out another way. The back one or the culprit . But I think I could get it if I remove the air cleaner and may be the alternator get it that way if I have to take off the intake manifold to..what's your thoughts.
Hi there,
I am not overly familiar with working on these cars. However i would be very surprised if the engine had to come out to change a mount.
I have a 2010 Suzuki Alto GF, and I will have to do this job soon in order to replace the clutch and the rear seal while I am there.
Thanks very much for putting this video up. It has shown me what I'm up against here.
As I will be pulling the flywheel off, I don't suppose you can tell me what shape the nuts are that hold on the flywheel? Are they standard hex nuts, or torx nuts, male or female torx, ?
I figured you would have seen enough of these now to know. It's horrendously difficult to find information on this car.
Thanks
Hi there, thanks for the comment.
Firstly good luck with the job. Suprisingly hard to find information for these cars, any other japanese make honda, nissan, toyota or mazda ive worked on it is relativley easy to get a nice big PDF document for the cars. The alto less so.
Sadly i cant remember what size the bolts for the pressure plate or flywheel were. I never actually changed the clutch on this car as it was fine.
@@peugeotCitroen2CV thanks for your reply. Surely there's an easier way of getting the starter motor off? It seems that 70 percent of the work you did there was to get the starter motor out. Couldn't this be reached from under the car, or with an adjustable ratchet ?
The reason I'm asking is that I'll be doing this on the garage floor. In this car it looks to be incredibly difficult. Would a mechanic have to do all that to take the bolts out of the starter motor?
Thanks 🇺🇦
where the fuell fiul filter suzuki alto 1.0 2009
Hi there
Not sure to be honest, it was not something i went near when i had this car.
WHAT A VIDEO!!!!
You are a Reaaaal Talented man. really enjoyed it. Many thanks.
Just a question, I have a manual 2011 Suzuki alto, one day when I was driving it on the second transmission, I tried to change to the third transmission but it I couldn't, the same 5th and R and 1st either. Later I find out when I move and hold the gear on the first transmission it does work but I can feel the gear is not all the way in the 1st transmission (does it make sense?) and then when I want to move it to the second I have to put pressure to do it( I feel it chew). and again the same for the third as the first and the forth same as the second. so based on your knowledge and experience can you help me to figure out why that happened.
knowing that, I took it to a mechanical boy and he thought for the first while the problem in the transmission plastic, but later he found out not. and then he told me, he might need to check the gear box and it ganna cost me alot but the problem that I feel he just wanna try not based on knowledge. can you help me with my question please??
Thanks for that, really glad you enjoyed the video.
I would not use the term first, second, third transmission they would suggest that you changed the transmission ie gearbox that amount of times. What you mean is gear i assume. First, second third gear...
It is possible that your clutch cable has stretched or is out of adjustment and not fully releasing the clutch causing the chew/grinding sounds perhaps.
There could be something inside the gearbox along the lines of the selector forks that may need to be looked at but in that case its a job for a specialist, easiest thing to start off with checking the cable.
Thanks for you response, I really didn't expect it, and sorry for the delay I didn't get notification for your response. So when I mentioned first,second ect. I meant to say when I stick the gear into first gear and second gear ect. ( My English is broken I'm trying my best to lear 😊) . I'm going to try the clutch cable first, I hope it's the source of the problem 😭.
Respect for you and your channel
@@mohammadturkman7809
No worries, your english is very good. I just asked because i have on occasion had to change the transmission on a car 3 times on a car before i got a good one albeit that was a honda jazz.
Try the clutch cable first and if you find out any more let me know, i am interested to hear how this gets fixed.
I'm telling you, you are specialist 👌🏼, I took it to 2 garages and still insisting that the problem in the gear and they said easier for you to change it all 😭. But I was convinced in what you said tell I found the right person and the looked at it and he did a quick check up and then we end up with the clutch cable is twisting or chewing 🤣.
Thanks alot man you saved 900 $ for me 🥀
@@mohammadturkman7809
This is fantastic, really makes it worth the time it takes to make these videos to hear stories like this.
nice sprayed the coolant LOL
Has to be done from time to time
Neat video. But... what is going on with these cars? Are they bad, or? Example:
I bought a new Suzuki-4 in 1998. Cared it well, drove easy with it, as an Alto is designed for. (Drove it different compared to the Lancia 2.0 I, I owned.)
Kept the Alto for 24 years as first owner.
No extravagant maintenance done, just regulare oil changes etc..... Now an incredible 400.000 km's (TRUE!) are driven by myself, my wife and the 3 kids.
- No gearbox problems... first original engine in place...never removed the head. Second clutch is now on its end, they last 200.000. Rust was the main problem. Homokinetic joints last 150.000 km generally.
Do the Alto owners overstrain them, or neglect maintenance?
I think there is just an inherent weakness in the gearbox caused by the use of cheap input shaft bearings. I sold this car but think it should last for a fair few miles running higher quality brand name bearings on the input shaft.
400,000km is a commendable mileage.
Rust generally gets most Japanese cars especially here with the salted roads, i know as i have an MX5 tucked away in the shed.
The rest of the car tends to last.
Does anyone know the I'd number for this box ?
There was a sticker on this box the had YC5,
YC5 rendered the most results on google
Thanks for the info
i just bought one, god help me!
311hwr
Is it making any noise?
If its just the bearings change them, a set of decent brand bearings should leave it a good box. I think they skimped on quality
@@peugeotCitroen2CV no, thank god, but the clutch pedal had zero free play, not good for release bearing or friction plate, but very easy for me to rectify.
had a peugeot 106 diesel for 13 years, 24 years old, but never any trouble except the stupid plastic bit breaking on the clutch cable about every 6 years, till it failed on emissions, greatly missed.
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What exactly is this comment supposed to mean?
Hello can we connect through instagram ? I have few queries regarding this engine and gearbox.
I dont use instagram, Facebook for this page is currently down. You have these comments to ask questions, unfortunately thats it.
@@peugeotCitroen2CV oh ok no problem.
I am from india and we have this same car in india named as A-star. And i own an Alto k10 which i guess has the same engine 1.0 ltr, 3cyl 67bhp engine 5-speed manual trans.
Now my questions are:
1. Is the process same for replacing clutch assembly upto the part of removing gearbox from engine ?
2. Is that necessary to remove self/starter assembly to remove gearbox or it can be done without removing it ? As i can see there are lot of things you removed to get to that assembly.
@@sahildhiman5400 Hi there
Yes the process is mostly the same for removing the clutch as the gearbox still has to come off.
The starter bolts go into the gearbox which is why the starter is removed, i do not work too often on these Suzuki's so i am not sure if there are shortcuts you can take to avoid needing to remove the inlet manifold. It did seem quite a cumbersome design compared to say the toyota aygo which is a similar type of car.
@@peugeotCitroen2CV thanks a lot for this information, i will make up my mind now before performing the clutch replacement now.