STEALTHY SNIPER Making EFI DISAPPEAR On My 65 Ford F100
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- Now we've got all the new toys installed on my Grandpa's 1965 Ford F-100 the engine bay is looking much cleaner. We've got an Edelbrock RPM Performer, Holley Sniper 4150 Stealth, Holley EFI Dual Sync Distributor, and all the other goodies to make the perfect driver. Today we're getting it all wired up and making the wiring disappear, it should be ready to start tomorrow!
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I think you Grandfather would be impressed. You're following his thinking by updating the truck using the tech of today. He was doing he same in his day. Very cool.
What's not to like about the old familiar truck that starts and runs perfectly in any conditions. Would have been nice to have that in '65. 😉
Everyone needs a friend like Josh... what a legend
Agreed
I’m also josh
Given the story of this truck, I think your grandpa would be proud you are adding EFI to it.
Only people that don’t work on their own vehicles and/or have never operated a veh with a carb (especially really cold winters) would ever ask why you don’t want to leave a carb on a 55 y/o truck that you want to drive multiple days a week. EFI is the way to go for sure.
Do agree. I've seen well tuned carbs do great even in bad climates but save for a edelbrock I've yet to see any come close to EFI standards for similar amount of bullshit dealt with.
I'm not familiar with a 65 390" v8 carburetor.
But the 79 350" v8 in my late dad's E250 work van wasn't terrible here in Wisconsin.
Starting was the same on used 79 Lincoln Continental with a 402" v8 as well. Press the gas pedal to the floor once to engage the choke. Then jiggle the gas pedal while starting to get it going. But you have to wait at least 1-3 minutes before trying to drive even on a warm day when cold.
With EFI, start and drive. It's what I always did with the 90 E-150 club wagon with a 302 v8 we owned until 2010.
@@davidpick1076 If you have to wait several minutes before driving on a warm day, there's something seriously wrong.
If everything's OK, you just start it, wait a few seconds so it has good oil pressure and drive it. That's it.
That's what I do in my car, which has a carburetor.
Lotta people just don't know how to tune a carb. Doesn't take a lot more effort than punching data into a screen. I love EFI, don't get me wrong, but in my experience the ones that hate carburetors are the ones that don't know how they work.
@@highlonesomerob5053 JR has explained he does know how to tune carburetors. He just didn't want to deal with this one anymore. And he's explained on Instagram this EFI upgrade was 6 months in the making and it's not just for him. He wanted to make it easy for anyone in his family to drive it. And the video updates have shown this upgrade is a stealth upgrade for people have to really look to notice it.
Working on cars (and boats)...the best way to pass this time. Thanks for keeping us entertained (and informed)
Always! Gotta stay working 🔥
From Leo: Looks like a fun project, I really appreciate the wiring being set up to look stock. I was a factory trained Carb and ignition tech in the 1970's. As far as operation, a properly set up auto choke carb can be very operate fine, including from a dead cold start. We could do it back then. Efficiency is where the electronics really shine. A set of carb jets only has one size at a time. Jets with needles like in a Constant Velocity side draft carb can do better, within limits. The electronics systems effectively act like an infinite set of jet sizes instantly. That gives you top performance under full load AND fuel economy under light load. On the other hand, an electrical or a microprocessor failure leaves you dead on the road. Even a horrible carb malfunction will let you limp home.
Looks good man
Carbs are a pain in the ass.
Who even cares about the value of this truck. It's obviously not getting sold.
Exactly, I like that at least someone said this. If it was mine, I wouldnt sell it for a million bucks😂
Especially with the history behind it
Perfect comment Dylan. Spot on.
Actually efi is a pain in the ass lol I've had both
Dylan T - I was about to comment the say thing! Who cares if it’s depreciating the value. It’s priceless!
How does this man not have more subs he's awesome and he's got awesome friends around him. Glad I found this channel last year
What an amazing tribute to your grandfather. He would be so proud of you.
I used to work in a transmission shop as a rebuilder in the 70's. From what you described as an L shaped pan, that should be a C6. Also, on the C6, the bell housing and cast where all one piece. The C4, C5 and the old cast iron FMX had a bolt on bell housing to case. The C6 wasn't too much harder of a rebuild then the C4. I seem to remember the C6 valve body was easier to go through. You need to be careful about the modulator. Some where threaded and some push-in with an o-ring and retaining clip. The push-in type where color coded (blue, green, red and some others) with different shift points. The screw in type had a small screw you could access when the vacuum hose was pulled off. That adjustment put more or less pressure on the diaphragm spring to raise or lower the shift points. Rebuild: go for it.
Taking in account you have a steel dashboard, you can attach a magnetron the back of the Holley touched screen and then just put it on the dashboard while in use and hid it when not.
It would be cool if Holly made some Vintage looking frames for their screens?
needs a chrome bezel lol
I prefer carburetors. No wiring, no fiddling with the fuel tank, just bolt and go. Never had many problems with cold starts and as long as you start it and drive it regularly there isn't many issues if any at all. I'll stick with a good ol carb anytime.
I would be willing to bet your Grandfather would be pleased with the inprovements you are making to this truck. Very good series. Thanks JR and Josh
Good job bro!! This excites me for my build haha
I love the EFi upgrade - it’s a sensible modern upgrade and looks untouched! Ignore the haters. Awesome job dude
Youngsters just don't appreciate Carburetors. Solution, get rid of them instead of understanding them and keeping them tuned. Ah....times really are changing. lol
Exactly. I find working with a carb is actually easier too.
One more thing, if you have a local race track, you might want to get your motor pumped. Some old racers would do things like put 390 tins on a 428.
I would also suspect a slightly better than stock cam.
Carburetor's are the devil. This is the best upgrade you can make to a vintage car / truck and you're doing it right in my opinion. You can't see the upgrades but you enjoy all the benefits of fuel injection. If anything, this will increase the value of the truck significantly. Also, it's YOUR truck so .. who cares? It's not like you're selling it ever. Good on you JR keep it coming!
Ok JR on the old sun tack run new wires from the mercury battery terminals and out Theroux a drilled hole in the side of the case. Use a single A battery from a stun gun to power it. ( yes it's rechargable ) and order on Amazon a cheap single A holder or flashlight to use as a holder. This should last much longer than the lithium AA
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12:28 No no, it's "WHEEEEZARD!"
If I can add anything its that dont bash a carb just because you dont know how to properly tune it. Injectors fail, modules fail, electronics fry, etc. Not saying tech isnt bad but just because you dont understand it and something you've obviously never been around doesnt give you right to bash it. Ive considered the same setup myself but my 850cfm carb and MSD ignition system serve me well. One day I may consider doing this to my Torino but I like the appeal of a carb and actually feeling the car running and making quick adjustments with a simple spade screw driver.
25 years ago I rebuilt my 289 in a 67 Mustang. I went to a Carter AFB 625cfm carb and MSD billet distributor. It ran fantastic and went from 16mpg to 26! Not sure about the 390 but the 289 likes 45° total timing with the lightest flyweight springs offered (so quickest possible advance). I followed Roush recommendations for that tune and the engine loves it. With that setup my 289 pulls hard through 8000rpm, but there were many other "tricks" involved to get it that way. Hope this setup of yours works how you want it to, no reason it shouldn't!
Great series. I would love to see a series on all the thought and planning that goes into one of these projects. Your vids now show the parts, work snippets and milestones and end results which are really enjoyable... but the work leading up to it, the thinking, changes of plans midstream, etc would add so much more depth to these... i wouldnt think its needed for every project but as a template or something... how do you approach a project, what options available, why decided on the choice, etc....
I just started watching your videos a couple of weeks ago, I have no idea if any of the stuff is supposed to be in done In any succession but I enjoy watching you do what you do it’s nice to see somebody enjoying what they do in life I think you made the right decision on working on cars rather than working on computers keep doing what you’re doing jealous in northern Jersey
I would recommend hitting up Painless Performance and getting a new wiring harness for the truck.
I bet Grandpa would want you to get the new tach.
If I could work on the 1965 F-100 with Joshs and Watch JR Goes I would puff on the Cannabis Cigar and get all schmoked up.
If you want to go old school and learn about carburetors, watch uncle Tony's garage on you tube . EFI is for people that does not know how to tune carbs .
Ok boomer
@@neilbrown82 yes sir and dam proud of it ! Younger guys always want someone or something to do all the work for them . I bet someone take a car with a carb and out run a car with efi . Might take a little longer getting it dialed in , but it will .
Those sniper systems seem pretty neat, the only drawback for me is the price point of them compared to a regular 4 barrel carb.
AVOID YOUR PROBLEMS! Absolutely love it! How many shirts do I need to buy to see you work on the R8?
Not sure why but I am enjoying this set of videos more vs the Rolls Royce build
Right!? Retromods are more entertaining imo. Ls swaps are nice but I enjoy this more.
Levi is the way to go. Glad you got rid of the carb. And I believe your grand dad would want you to drive it and make your way!
Put the LCD screen in the driver side visor so when you flip it down you can see it it will hide it but make it I accessible
You aren't the only one that detests carburetors. My long time mechanic calls them a controlled fuel leak. You can't make everyone happy so make yourself happy. 👍
I always figured learning how to tune carbs was the easier option. At least cheaper, which is good enough for me!
The clean install of EFI is classy and should be far better if you dont like having the hood open on a finished project.
I would totally use this truck for towing on a regular basis. That's what your grampa built it for and it should be more than up to the task.
Don't listen to all the authenticity wonks. This is no creampuff, it's got plenty of mods, hacks, and a great patina. Your grandpa was a gear head and a wrench..i.f he had a holly EFI and a better version of the tach, he would have put them all on and more. You are continuing the truck's life in his spirit. Look forward to seeing it run...
I agree with you going efi. But why not use heatshrink tubing instead of electrical tape so it doesn't get sticky residue everywhere
Hose clamp a cork to the fuel sending unit...
To clean a fuel tank, some of the old timers (not me) would pull the tank, put some pea stones in it, strap it to a tractor wheel, and drive it around for a while. Just thought you might want to know. Have fun with this build.
You guys are so fast, while being thorough!
I may not agree at times with JR's upgrades. But I can't deny he isn't thorough when thinking of everything involved when making them happen. An inteligance way beyond mine.
Fuel pump is loud, and yeah, I know it's right behind you, still seems loud...
I just rebuilt my 84 i6 ford f150, I put a 2300 Holley Carb on it with an HEI distributor and a 1976 exhaust manifold to fit it all together. I wish I had known about the EFI Dual sync, that would've been cool to add. I kind of like adjusting by hand though. Cool video sir, i thoroughly enjoy your content!
Check that tank behind the seat for any leaks, including just air leaks. Sometimes (not sure on your 65 ford) they used a tank with separate fill tube, and a rubber gasket/grommet where the tube enters the tank can go bad and breath fumes.
I think you're doing great on this truck! I think you're right on track with what I would want to do with it!
Well done with this project. Hiding all the wires make the engine bay is a great idea. Thanks for sharing
Completely understand why you like efi. I like efi too. I support putting efi on that truck. I just don’t understand why people like you think carburetors aren’t just as reliable and turn key as efi.
That would be an age related difference. The little tricks us Old Timers used is a lost art but I understand his argument.
I have had carb cars that took 1 pump of the gas and 3 seconds of crank to start and run smooth. I am not anti EFI but carbs are so much cheaper and properly setup, are 98% as good in driving. Maybe cold start and high alt. EFI is better but only in the absolute extremes.
I agree with you on that my carbureted engine with a electric fuel pump starts almost instantly the reason carbs get a bad wrap is they are usually worn out since they are over 35 years old a new carb is almost as amazing as upgrading to a EFI system
For me it's all about information.
@@batsonelectronics Today's mechanics are mostly useless. They don't know what to do if the OBD scan tool doesn't tell them.
Vinegar works good to neutralise battery corrosion. This is one awesome truck.
A not so quick and dirty method to clean the in cab fuel tank involves removing it from the cab, put it on a metal table, then drop about 3 feet of chain in it. Shake/slide the tank back and forth letting the chain knock all the crap in the tank loose. Rinse with some gas, dump out the junk and remove the chain. You now have a tank free of loose debris.
Audio issue solved! I just made a custom EQ profile on my tv for watch jr go videos lol
exhaust manifold gaskets: Ford did not use gaskets on the FEs, at least the ones with the usual log manifold. With trued mating surfaces on both the head side and the manifold side, they don't leak. From one of the Ford FE forum pages: ....gaskets insulate two like metals (heads and exhaust manifold) that should carry the same heat range through the exhaust system. The gasket will cause the exhaust manifold to run 'cooler' than the heads, thus disrupting the sealed exhaust port because they expand/contract at different rates. To do them right you need to remove the heads and manifold and have the mating surfaces faced/trued and forget about adding gaskets,
The light ford blue was used more on the cars. The trucks came with the dark ford blue.
352, 360, 390, 428 FE engines look identical on the outside. The only way to know which you have is to look at the crankshaft. I see so many people calling these engines a 390 when those truck had 352 and 360’s almost exclusively. Those engines almost always have 352 cast into the block just below the head on the drivers side of the engine. They used the exact same block in the 352, 360, and 390. The crank and rods were the only difference those engines.
If you keep the old Tach driver, you could always just run wires from those battery terminals, drill a hole in the original case to run wires through, and mount yourself a weatherproof battery holder somewhere more accessible for quick replacement. Could even wire yourself in a charge port for a rechargeable lithium cell.
was hoping for a start-up, but there's always next time. i'm digging the Holley Sniper bro!
Love the key chain, good old Cripple Creek. Waiting for the next edition, when we hear the success of the conversion.
Excellent video series about this old Ford. Enjoying it very much. Can't wait until you start it up. Good Job, JR.
"Avoid your problems" - perfect shirt to wear! Like avoiding the R8, and avoiding the Rolls 😂
Just busting your chops JR, this old F100 is looking good so far you guys are making quick work of it, you and Josh are machines! Just don't get yourselves sick and don't get in any "quarantine" trouble.
Anything that makes an old vehicle more driver friendly had to be a good news 👍🏻🇬🇧
I think those old Ford keys are so cool looking! I am loving this project!
Looking forward to seeing it tomorrow
Go JR. Go. Old fords never die. They just need some love.
The mercury cell put out 1.35 Volts, a new AA will have a nominal 1.5 or a tad more, so you may get erroneous readings. They were long lasting at a constant output. You might be able to adjust around this voltage difference or otherwise wire something into the circuit to drop that voltage. I'd use a AA and test the readings against an external tach--the variation might be small enough to ignore. Alternatively, have someone make a small power supply to take the truck's 12V and drop it to 1.35.
JR IS "SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHAPPY" OH YEAH LOL
Cool! I’m all about tasteful mods that improves the safety, reliability, and performance of a classic vehicle.
This project is turning out amazing! Can we clean/repaint inside of the hood that's the only ugly part!
What’s going on with the Rolls?
Everyone keeps asking that. I figure until JR says otherwise, the Rolls is on hold until racing here in the US resumes. They didn't make that rolls a burn out machine as a daily driver. Not much point fixing it now if they can't make any money on it.
waiting for a new rear end?
He said the other day that he'd been waiting for parts.
Hey JR. Great video.
For power to that Sun Tach box.
If you know the voltage it needs.
Let’s say 3 volts. You could use a buck converter wired to the trucks 12 volt battery then step the 12 volts down to 3 volts or whatever is required then solder some wires to where the battery terminals go to the board then you don’t have to worry about swapping out batteries.
I live in southern Arizona love my edlebrock on my 86 chevy, key on 2 pumps and varoom. I drive it daily really no problem but if I had more winter climate efi is handy.
Thanks for the videos guys. They are very entertaining to me and are making these days in isolation more bearable 🤗
On the Tach Driver box, you either need 1.5v (more like 1.8v from Mercury Battery), or 3v if they are stacked cells in a common case. Best bet is to get a DC-DC conversion chip and insert it in the old driver box. Feed it 12v and dial in what you need. No battery needed in the future and you keep Grand-pa's Tach :)
I Did the same thing to my 65 F-100. The problem I had is the tank needs a breather with the amount of fuel circulation starts creating a vacuum. I hat to take the rubber gasket off the gas cap and eventually drilled a hole in the cab and installed a vent tube. Which made the gas smell in the cab worse. Best to put a gas tank under the bed at the back of the truck and plumb all 3/8” line. The line coming from the factory tank caused a restriction and burnt up 2 fuel pumps
As an owner of a 1971 D100 Dodge - I get it. Very useful, a REAL truck, and not some glitter gulch $70k behemoth.
Excellent camera under the dash. Thanks. Your electrical knowledge is excellent.
I don't understand the hate for the EFI conversion, carbs are a pain in the ass and cars have been a multitude of better since they stopped using them. Plus it's your truck so you do what you want JR, though I was looking at those drum brakes on it thinking they need to go, esp at the front....... 😄
This has all the info I needed to know exactly! Thanks so much for posting can't wait to do this to my 64
Having owned an FE block, be sure to check your timing chain and gear. If they are getting worn, you are going to have ignition issues causing a lot of intake backfire due to the “bouncing” of your cam timing.
The distributor runs off the timing gear as well, adding to the issue.
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we're as pumped as you are about hearing this is truck run.
Such a awsome lookn car, so clean 👌👌 gunna be so much more drive able great job 👍👍👍
Love your truck man. Keep the old trucks and muscle on the road!
I’ve been considering a 302 swap with the sniper for my 66 F100. Think I’ll go for it now! Got yourself a new subscriber!
Man, I hope you keep this truck... It would be such a shame to let it go after making it so damn awesome. Need the original looking oil-bath air breather. Thunderbird valve covers look really good and would be a period correct customization...
Holy crap you are pumping these videos out. Love it!
Dam JR that is such a nice truck the more u work on it the nicer it is looking. iam seeing more of the little things that makes that truck special
EFI is soooooo much better than a carb. I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t make the switch.
Looking good! Can't wait to see if fire up and get on the road.
Super job. Pa-pa's truck will ride again... and again... and again.
I wonder if you could hollow out the sun tach box and build in it your own circuit that converts an RPM pin out from the Holley to something that the sun tach could read. Then everything looks old school but is running off the Holley
That truck is beautiful blessings to you and ur fam🙏👍🏻
love this truck brother. you better hold on to josh forever lol
You need to make and sell that keychain! I know I want one. And a tee with that brass design would most likely sell also.
Technically, if the fuel and air mix in the same location, it's still a carburettor. When each cylinder has its own pressurized feed, then it becomes injected. Anyway, nice truck!
Or it's more of a TBI now
Would love the see the Holley controller hidden in the ashtray. #Sniper #Stealthy
I'm excited to see it start as well. Can't wait!
Nice shirt. On April 1st you should have put out a video and intro'd it with "Today on Watch JR Go, we dive back into the R8." And then just start working on the truck again.
Well, I guess you can do that next year.
Efi is way to go great Job
Where has Gabe been? Feel like it’s been a year since I’ve seen him
I was just thinking the same thing #bringgabeback
Almost as long as it’s been since the R8 has been given any love
That throttle spring looks a bit sketchy. Is it obstructed by something?
Make sure your filming when the linkage gets stuck in the return spring! That is going to be awesome!
Love what you are doing to the truck.
JR I know time limits the amount you can show. Please try and get more content around how your cleaning up of all the wires is now looking. You show a little but spending some time specifically showing how all the clean up turned out would be great.