A £25k Model 3 - find me a faster car for the money. SERIOUSLY RAPID!!!
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- I spend 24 hours with a used Model 3 Long Range. This car is "old" - late 2020 with the old interior and nearly 50,000 miles on the clock. That makes it cheap - plenty of examples on Autotrader.
So what do you get for the money? Is a used Tesla Model 3 the fastest you can buy for the money?
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Fortunate enough to drive a m3p as a daily for work. I roughly do 500 - 600 miles a week of driving. I can confirm I give it the beans at most opportunities and it NEVER EVER gets old. Such a joy to drive
Never ever ever gets old
Same here and i am still hoping for Tesla to release Model 3 Plaid. I get free charge at work as well, so never need to think about fuel consumption when commuting.
Another great video. Merry Christmas Ian. Looking forward to what you have lined up for 2024.
Great video, love the chuckling.
Great video Ian, you’ve helped me massively in my decision of what to buy, MY for me. The M3 for me is the nicer drive, better looking Tesla, faster, properly good value used, BUT for me just not practical enough in terms of hatchback and boot shape. MY RWD deposit placed tonight, my first EV. Thank you 👌👌👌👌
Another brilliant video! Love the channel and great work! I’ve got the Model 3 LR 2019 for about 8 months now which I’ve had kitted up with a Maxton body kit and various customisation on the interior. Absolutely love it! As you say, Just Get A Tesla! 😆
Any pictures?
@@dang3254 yes I do but unfortunately it won’t let me send them on TH-cam here. Is there any other way?
@@sharadbuddhdev not too worry
Glad your enjoying the car
@@dang3254 thank you ☺️ if you’re on Instagram I can send them on there
Merry Christmas to you and the family Ian and thank you for the 2023 videos
I am considering changing my 2021 m3 for a Y so very interested in any thoughts you have on comparisons
My main thinking is the better higher driving position and also the ability for anyone in the rear to get their feet under the seats?
Best wishes for 2024
Dan
Honestly I would have a Y over a 3 without hesitation
Thanks for another great video. Although a perfectly good car, this video shows how far Tesla has come when you look at the 'highland' M3 compared to this.
Seasons greetings to you Ian, thank you for all the great content.
Yes, I had never sat in the earlier M3. An interior not remotely as convincing as the revised one. And the facelift even more so
I got a loan Model 3 performance. I overtook two cars that were towing. I put my foot down and I scared myself. The front wheels went very light. I had to ease off to get steering back. It was nice to have a go but I would not pay the price for it. The only time you would floor it was to give passengers that roller coaster thrill .My Y is plenty fast enough.
I have a 2021 M3P and it is a phenomenal machine! I floor it at least once a week for a laugh lol
Suspect I would be yelling first. Then laughing 😂
I just bought this car - December 2020 Model 3 Long range 30k miles (but the heat pump one) for £26k.
Never drove an EV before I picked the car up, bought it sight unseen.
I was absolutely blown away by the power, and pleasantly surprised by the interior quality. I expected it to feel much cheaper than it does.
I think they are a real bargain at that price
@@justgetatesla Agreed! Averaging 300Wh/mile with a bunch of short trips in like 0 degree weather. Pretty happy with that especially as I rely on superchargers!
Thank you for a great video, Ian. I've been debating getting the acceleration boost with referral credits for my MYLR. On your loaner M3, I noticed that the acceleration mode settings are only chill or sport. I normally use standard. Did you feel like sport was too much torque/power when not trying to launch, i.e. when you're doing normal stop and go driving?
When you have the acceleration boost there is no standard! And TBH Sport is only rapid if you are twitchy with your right foot. I very quickly got it driving smoothly without charging off.
Likewise I'm tempted but have no credits. I'm still on the fence as it's not exactly urgent!
Dunno. It’s pretty bloody “urgent” once it’s installed 😳😂
@@justgetatesla yeah, I'll try it one day, just not now 😉
Could you please do a video on voice commands. They seem to negate any criticism of the manual controls on the touchscreen. Thank you
Great idea. I’ll give you a few spoilers - I never use voice commands because they’re crap. In any car I have ever owned they have been crap
@@justgetatesla I don't think Tesla voice commands work well with uk accents even on the language setting of British. I tried this week 'Take me to Ford Hill'. time and time again it repeating Ford Hill wanted to take me to ForT Hill, unless like a loonie I put an American twang on. Even (for windscreen wipers) wipers 1 slash 4 is hit and miss. Definitely in the beta stage!!
Tesla voice commands are - in my experience - absolutely rubbish. Supposedly you don’t need physical controls because you can’t use voice. It’s an obvious thing the haters could attack, and yet instead it’s a load of old guff that can be disproven with a quick Google search
The "Service Aberdeen" preset seems to spend a lot of time flat back.
Not sure if it's lots of changing cabin filters or people putting the seat back at chargers.
Was probably most annoying thing about the loaner I got.
Later Model 3s have issues with the power boot opener so there are advantages to manual. Highland have motors each side.
Early Model 3s don't have wireless phone charging, but there are loads of third party wireless adapters.
It's possible to select low regen on early cars - that's normal for winter to reduce brake corrosion. Don't think that's possible on Y, it's not possible on heat pump 3s.
Absolute best model 3 is the 2019 P- which is an M3P with track mode but without the lowered suspension and improved brakes on standard 18" wheels. (Top speed limited to same as an M3LR)
I vaguely remember hearing about the P- and yes it sounds like the best blend of features
@@justgetatesla it was an oddball - never something you could order, just appeared in inventory mid to late 2019. Very nearly changed my order for an inventory car but I wanted the towbar, and as you've noticed M3LR doesn't exactly hang about.
What an unatractive jellymould shape. Great videos, videos and reviews. I will challenge you to a petrol vs EV facebook to beat GBC and MCM.
“GBC” and “MCM”?
Not much point in that. The second hand market at the Facebook pricing isn't going to get an EV worth using for the type of challenge that people seem hell bent on trying to prove.
However, try this one on an old FB price car. Drive 80 miles every single day for a year. At the end of the year compare time inconvenience for refuelling and "fuel" cost.
Of course, no need to actually do this, it can be worked out in a few minutes on paper.
ICE gets spanked. This better represents daily usage, not longer roadtrips given that 99% of journeys are less than 100 miles. The average being around 20 miles.
Another challenge? Buy a 20k car and compare running costs for 3 following years for 10,000 miles each year. I'd buy a 2017(ish) Model S with free supercharging. 😅 £0 I win by default before starting.
Tomorrow, I'll be driving from East Midlands to South London, no need to charge enroute and because it's convenient, my sister's neighbour has a level 2 charge point so I'll just charge up again on my sister's drive. No inconvenience. My diesel and petrol cars will stay at home as usual.
You see, it doesn't really matter what we as individuals choose, we're all capable of choosing what works for us.
@@djtaylorutube I have no axe to grind either way for EV or ICE, but the examples you use in your justification seem a little weak for the general Tesla or other EV owners. Please correct me if I’m wrong but free charging is no longer available for most Tesla owners? And using your sister’s neighbour’s charger maybe fortuitous for you but obviously is a none starter for everyone else? There would be slim pickings currently in second hand market for the model S that you suggest below £20k, ignoring any issues regarding battery life/ warranty, although obviously ICE vehicles have their own issues. If you aren’t fussed about buying a new or nearly new, running an older ICE vehicle would be significantly cheaper than either newer EV or ICE, just saying. Clearly as you mention EV and ICE vehicles can both work, depending on your personal situation/circumstances.
@@anthony208 I'm not trying to justify anything, just illustrating that there are pros and cons to everything. It seems that a certain fraternity (and we all likely know which ones) are just keen on doing a single use case to prove a point when in fact 99% of journeys are less than 100 miles and the majority around 20 miles where EV's can work well, particularly where home charging is available.
It's generally accepted that on a road trip, public charging can be less convenient though doesn't have to be, certainly not a typical Tesla experience.
In my trip to London, the use of the neighbours charger didn't happen because she had a tethered cable which would have meant her moving her car and me parking on her drive and I didn't need to do that. In the end the trip was a loo stop at Oxford for 9 mins, car charged at the same time because it could and then to South London. I then used the Croydon supercharger for 20 mins because I had to go into Croydon anyway and this was the only "inconveniece". I could have just plugged into my sisters electric but didn't bother. On the return trip, stopped at Warwick for loo and coffees, car charged during that stop which was 16 mins total. No drama.
Likewise, I don't care what people drive, i've nothing to prove and what anyone else drives doesn't change my day. Everyone can figure out for themselves what works best for their situation and choose that.
What I will provide is what my experience is like and if asked and given the circumstances, my answer may very well be to that person "stick with ICE, an EV won't work for you at this time" but assuming that because someone can race to the end of the country therefore EV=fail is ridiculous. Someone posted the other day "an EV fails in just about every scenario" which is rather odd since, an EV wins in just about every scenario OTHER than the determined to drive non stop long distance.
If the original poster of this thread wants a race, i'll say "fine, race me to Italy next May" when I do that trip but it doesn't bother me what the outcome is, I already know what to expect, I know where i'm stopping and why and for how long. If someone else wants to force themselves to drive non stop for hours on end just to prove that they didn't have to stop for 15 mins somewhere, "crack on" as it wouldn't change my style whether in ICE or EV, that's all. Calais to Switzerland for us was two, thirty minute stops which were combined with breakfast and lunch. Had I driven my diesel or petrol it would have been... two, thirty minute stops for breakfast and lunch. *bemused*
On the free supercharger use, yes absolutely right, there are a few but some very nice cars with 20 to 30k miles on them with free supercharging for around £20 to £30k. Again, everything has to be considered but it's possible and yes, I still have other old cars too so the bangernomics discussion is very well understood, i've done the same figures myself.
I didn't buy our car with the notion of being cheaper to run than our old cars, long since paid for, nor to save the planet or whatever.
Key reasons were: highest rated in class for EuroNCAP test, bigger car which can take 6'2" passengers in the rear with good comfort, luggage space, tow a large trailer (short distances when I have to), because i'm a techie and I like techie stuff and finally...point in life where I can indulge myself because I want to.
That's pretty much it.
Oh you mean Geoff Buys Cars and The Macmaster?
Well in any speed test a diesel will win if the driver refuses to take any rest breaks.
As for the Jog > LE thing, you do know the Macmaster was playing to camera? Charging his car to 100% was done to add time to his trip. The alternative take is RSymons who did the same trip in 1 day with less than 90 minutes spent charging in total
How much is insurance for your Model Y per year? I pay 392 GBP per year for my Model 3 LR Highland and that is at insurance company that has Tesla as a brand insurance.
I did a video about insurance costs!
This comment says "1 month ago". How did you get a Highland so early?
@@colinnich I ordered it 27 October and got it 6 December. I ordered it practically the same week they released it and Tesla delivered fast.
We were looking at the M3 but as soon as I tried to get in and out (I'm 6'4) I decided I can't do that every day and chose the MY instead.
This was back in August.
The car arrived to Australia at the end of October (EDD was 14 Nov - 5 Dec) and remained on the boat just off the East coast (Queensland) until yesterday when the boat turned around and is now heading back to Shanghai.
According to the 3 emails we received from Tesla in this time, there was a "Biosecurity issue" so it appears that the ship has not been denied entry to the country.
That's only a guess because he haven't actually been told.
Our new EDD is now March (7 months later) but who really knows.
I love Tesla's but have hated this process.
We all go through the process of waiting for the boat to arrive. For any car that isn’t made here
@@justgetatesla Oh I know.. I waited 9 months for a VW Golf back in 2006.
It's just frustrating when you can literally see the ship "right there" for almost 2 months then it turns around and goes home without unloading.
It will be worth the wait though 🙂
I ordered my M3 in 2019 for "potentially June delivery". Eventually got it in December 2019.
Guy I knew who ordered same day was August. Tow hitch was the hold up.
No inventory cars in Australia?
A design flaw with the pinnacle of car manufacturing which costs 53k car? It's the Tesla haters though, that's the problem!
When you say faster do you mean depreciation? 😂
Nope. The examples I gave haven’t depreciated anywhere near as much as my diesel Volvo did
Plenty faster for way less than £25k. The Tesla only does about 124 mph... there are several 2 litre turbo hot hatches for WAY less money, that are WAY more FUN. Make NOISE, are WAY more engaging and fun to drive. 0 to 60 isn't as quick, but they're more than quick enough.... and they will "only" go up to 155mph as they are limited electronically. Most will do 170mph if you remove the limiter.
They're also WAY faster round corners than Teslas. They are lighter and set up for fast cornering.
Have you ever actually driven a petrol high-performance car??
Have you ever drive one faster than 124mph on a UK road…? 🤔
@@justgetatesla err... no comment. But let's put it this way, an aggressive Polestar driver with a similar top speed to a Tesla got left behind by me the other day on a motorway after trying to bully every other car by tailgating them. I also drive in Germany and track days from time to time, so a limit of less than 130mph is very slow to me.
For around £100 .you can have 12 lap track day in a Nissan GT R ,if you want to get your thrills.
So with all the road rules, cameras etc etc etc giving it a squirt gives you the fizz and worth paying all that money for?
For me all this point and squirt has got rather boring really whereas a small classic car I had for many years used to actually put a smile on my face every time I drove it.
Not a lot of power but a slick manual gearbox, light manual steering that told you what was happening, great pedal setup to heal and tow as well as good suspension so it handled very well.
My 4wd came with paddles for shifting manually, which I thought was cool at the time, and I used them once. Meh.
These days I prefer to use our sedan for the "normal" stuff, which it does very well and economically and my 4wd to go places that a lot of others can't go.
The idea of having to drive on the roads you're on every day, or even semi regularly, would just drive me up the wall tbh.
Glad I worked on the "total cost of ownership" for our vehicles all our working lives and could stop being a wage slave a few years back.
There is no car made that I would go back to work for even if it was given to me.
Ugh.
I loved my 2015 Mini Cooper. And my 1992 Mini Mayfair. So I know what you mean about it not all being about power. True!
But - and it’s a big but - a lot of people lust after cars with powerful engines, and many spend £lots fettling their cars to produce more power. So there is a big market for power.
All I am saying is that if you are in that mindset - and both you and I are not - then you can’t go wrong with the Tesla. Mega value.
@@justgetatesla Mega value?
Here in Australia they start at around 62k and go to around 72k for a vehicle that looks like the banjo player off Deliverance imo.
We will likely have 1 more new car before we stop driving and unless anything changes substantially it will be ICE.
Time will tell.
Fantastic Ian, if I wasn't already convinced never, ever to get an EV you have convinced me now. If ever there was a vehicle so bland & unimpressive I haven't seen it till you showed us this battery box on wheels. The whole concept of a car are the dials & switches, the layout all the controls to hand that you learn within a few minutes of getting the vehicle. If you are looking at a TV screen every time you want to change any aspect of your journey its worse than using a mobile & more dangerous. As for the acceleration its useless in the real world, just a quick way to lose your license & remove the tread from your tyres. I have a BMW 420d that takes me to 60 in under 7 seconds & that is plenty fast enough for every occasion. I also love the cabin with all its great features, polished wood, heated seats lovely instrumentation & the smell of leather.
Glad you are happy with what you have!
What is it that you believe needs constant use of the central screen while driving?
😂😂😂😂😂
@@djtaylorutube maybe the speedo,the heater controls, the aircon, mirrors, mileage left.
@@dennisnorton3880 I don't need to touch the Speedo.
Heater/AC is trivial or voice control, no need to go through menus at all.
Mirrors? Nope, set them for the driver profile, whichever driver is detected by phone and their settings configured. I set the mirrors over a year ago, my wife did the same. Done.
Mileage left, can be permanently displayed but I don't need to keep touching the screen while driving for that so... Nope, nothing yet that needs constant use of the screen while driving.
What’s the point in fast speeds, the league limit on motorways is 70mph oh yes and don’t forget the pot holes on the very expensive tyres fitted to Tesla’s.
I’m please for you that your happy with your purchase but I wouldn’t touch an electric car, they are just a software on wheels and we all know what happens to software, there are and will always be bugs. I just can’t bring myself to sit on a seat that is directly above a large battery chemical reaction taking place.
Regarding charging, it’s ok if you have a home charger but would I trust any public chargers and pay the prices out there, for me I don’t think so I will stick with Internal Combustion Engine technology. If there is a fire at least the fire brigade can put out a petrol or diesel fire but if an electric cars traction battery made of lithium ion chemistry the fire brigade has no answer and so it just must burn out but even then when the original fire started the traction battery pack can reignite days or weeks later. Electric cars are not for me.
You do know that a fair chunk of what you just posted isn’t true though…?
The biggest tesla design flaw is the ‘decluttered’ versions that will sink sales performance into the future.
I certainly won’t be getting out of my ‘21 M3 RWD LFP……….BECAUSE IT HAS STALKS.
Utterly dumb self harm by the inattentive manchild.
It’s just a shame the sped limits need to be adhered to ,rendering the Tesla just another vehicle
Aint that the truth.
It gets up to those speed limits pretty quickly.
Do your own research about no stalks.
This has stalks.
@@justgetatesla yeah 👍 the last of the breed
@@justgetatesla I wonder if the Y, being the big volume seller today might keep stalks once the sales figures tell an unfortunate story.
I don’t think swapping the stalks for buttons is a big issue. There’s plenty of cars with controls in different places - remap your muscle memory and you’re away. Personally I would leave the stalks alone, but it’s not a reason not to buy one
Teslas are alright I own a model Y LR, and a 981 cayman GTS. I'm on a twisty road the cayman always wins for enjoyment hands down. The model Y as I describe it, is an ugly car that does many things well (such as space for family compared to similar sized cars), but lets not kid ourselves it's a boring car, and it's not anyones dream car.
Dream car? No. I wanted a Tesla when I first saw the Model S. but that isn’t appropriate for my needs so I got a Y. Why do you think it’s boring? Compared to a Cayman? Sure, but it’s a family car. Compared to almost every other family car…?
@@justgetatesla I agree with you for a family car it does the job. Which is why I bought it. I wanted a e63 wagon, or a RS6 but for my wife's needs and cost of ownership it made sense. I still think it's a boring car though, and I own one!
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.The Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement since them. Thats a hybrid Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and fuel economy and most importantly, and it is lighter than the standard trans truck NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it straight .. The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with no infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY ..
I assume you're American by the "steam extinct in the 40s" comment? Entirely agree that EVs need infrastructure, and building it is as big a challenge as it was pushing out filling stations everywhere for the internal combustion engine.
In the Uk at least the infrastructure today can largely support the number of EVs today. But won't be able to do tomorrow without investment.
Ever wonder why you can’t get insurance on a Tesla? This video shows you why, 4 second 0-60 times by poorly trained drivers, on the Kings highway, equals lots of risk and ridiculous insurance premiums or none at all.
Great point! With the exception about not being able to get insurance for a Tesla. I *am* insured
Decent video but genuinly no interest whatsoever, regards
Thanks for stopping by!
The speed thing is a gimmick. That is all electric cars are good for. They are not as convenient as diesel, more expensive to insure, more tyre wear and then there is the manufacturing process of the batteries, which in many peoples eyes doesn't exist. They don't look at the toxins released when one of these things goes on fire, which never ever happens either. I do enjoy your blind optimism. I watch your videos to get both sides of the story on electric cars. Has it ever crossed your mind this technology is being introduced for another reason?
To entertain you? Thanks for stopping by
Have you ever had one? The people you see with electric cars, Im sure had had plenty of diesel and petrol cars before.... I dont think for the moment anyone is being forced to buy them. The environment thing has long been debunked. You buy/drive whatever you want :)
My model 3 is a lot more convenient than a diesel. I’ve just proven that again with a 600 mile drive down the length of the country. Result: It took 15 minutes longer than a diesel. But for every other day of the week, I recharge at home, and never have to suffer any time at the petrol station.
Toxins released with any car fire are going to be pretty awful, regardless of fuel type.
As for battery manufacturing process. Please show me. Before you say the words “cobalt” and “child labour”, please note there’s no cobalt in LFP batteries, but there’s plenty used in oil refineries.
Triggered@@anthonydyer3939
They have depreciated so much people cannot afford to get rid of them
@@jsouto77
I hate Tesler , simple . I own a 1997 BMW 850 CSI and a 2018 Range Rover 5.0 supercharged Autobiography and feel absolutely no need to change either
So why watch this?
Cos i hate EV’s on principal we are being ordered or told you will / must buy electric, fuck em . In the long run my 1997 BMW 5.7 V12 is doing way less damage than sandal wearing lentil eater’s buying new EV’s . Your jumping out of perfectly good vehicles to buy silly overpriced EV when there is no need , trust me an call me a liar in 10 years
@@juliandale50 You got a couple of old cars so I dont see anyone forcing anything on to you. You won't ever have to drive electric in your lifetime so relax.
Well thanks for helping pay for the thing you hate. I really appreciate your sacrifice
@@justgetatesla no problem at all , my cars will still be running on synthetic fuel when your battery has crapped out , hell give me shout i will tow you home with the Range Rover 👍