The option I chose is to get the Mazda CX-30 non-turbo model for $25,000 out the door. I saved a bunch of money, and 191 horsepower is plenty for this type of vehicle.
i say 190 hp is great for a little suv i just lease a 2024 cx-30 not knowing if i stay with it or not but its so soft and quiet but i nearly totaled it messing with the sport button it gave me an instant take off doing a turn i cant imagine the turbo.
I like the styling of the Hornet in and out, more than the CX30. But I will guess the Mazda quality is much better. Hard choice to pick one over the other. Credit to both for not having CVT transmissions!
Reasonable concerns. There’s resale as well to think of. That Hornet is expensive and that makes the cost of depreciation painful,,,,. I’m thinking the Mazda will retain more resale. The Mazda interior design is very nice but getting a bit old compared to the competitors newer models.
@@MeliorIlle I've owned(and still own one) a Dodge(Challenger Hellcat) and Chrysler(300 SRT) product for the past 10 years and coming up on 7 years with a Mazda(current gen CX-9). Outside of a rear 02 sensor failure on the Hellcat (a $90 part I changed myself in 20 minutes) all of these vehicles have been flawless. The Mazda for sure is in another league for body panel fit and paint consistency(my biggest complaint with the Hellcat). We have a Signature so the interior design is quit nice as well, but from a reliability standpoint anything out of Dodge/Chrysler running on the LD or LA platforms(their RWD vehicles with ZF 8 Speed trans) are very reliable. The things that matter most are exceptional...engines, transmissions...and they nail the infotainment better than anyone including Mazda who are only so-so, probably my biggest complaint with the CX-9 is the infotainment. It will randomly reboot, randomly stop working through bluetooth until you shot off the vehicle and restart it, and its a bit slow to boot. My worry with the Hornet is its 100% an Alfa Romeo. Dodge probably doesn't put their logo on it just in case is has classic Alpha Romero issues...they don't want to know its a Dodge for that reason. Personally I love many aspects of the Alpha's but they got out of the gate on a bad start when the brand was reintroduced to the U.S. market with electronic gremlin issues being the main culprit, and those are very hard to diagnose and fix. I will agree if you are having a hard time deciding between a Mazda or a Dodge its probably because until the Hornet there wasn't much you would cross shop since their line up only consisted of Challenger, Charger and Durango...and not many people are going to cross shop a CX-9 vs. Durango. The Durango is much larger(interior space), has a V8 option and real towing in a totally different league and there is nothing in Mazda's lineup that you would cross shop with a Challenger or Charger(no one is cross shopping a Mazda 6 and a Charger). Dodge quality today is quite good. Alpha Romero scares me a bit. Time will tell.
@@rocko107me8 That's a cool rant bro, but no one is going to take you seriously at even attempting to argue Chrysler is the same quality as Mazda so you are wasting massive amounts of time.
I own a non turbo cx30 and it’s a great car for my daily 30 minute commute to and from work. After getting used to the screen controls I actually like it way better than my Ram and wife’s Buick touch screens.
That's pretty much the same way. I feel the infotainment screen and the controls look intimidating at first but honestly it only took me about 5 minutes to get everything set the way I wanted it and now I can change inputs, change channels, volume just about anything I need to do without ever having to take my eyes off the road. I like touch screens but in a vehicle it's a distraction because you have to take your eyes off the road for just a slight moment as you reach for the screen to touch it.
The Mazda is yawn boring styling and doesn't stand out in any way. It's something a non car person buys. The Hornet looks way better and stands out in a sea of boring crossovers. It has way more room and practicality for a daily as well.
I think the Hornet is the right choice for me. I like it more, is much modern because is a new product, and i think looks better. So yes, i'll go with the Dodge this time
I drove a Dodge Charger for four years and only had to replace the tires and brakes. I drove it 20,000 miles annually and never left me stranded. Currently driving a Challenger and love it too.
@@Rosso488 doesn't matter. The build quality along with materials/fit and finish is infinitely better on the Mazda. Plus Mazda is one of the reliable car brands there are. Dodge? Yeah, not so much...
@@reecetbobby5347 I love Mazda but I also love Dodge. They are polar opposites. I’m not arguing Mazdas reliability but rather how reliable your car is. Idk why I said that now tbh it didn’t make much sense. I also think that the Hornet will be pretty good in terms of reliability. I’ve driven both of these cars and they’re both great in different ways. I like the looks of the Dodge a bit more honestly however the CX-30 is also a looker. I don’t think the Mazdas quality is better but rather different. The Dodge has a solid interior and a huge touch screen that seems to be lacking in the CX-30. Now in the time I had the CX-30 the drop charger didn’t work at all and the Bose stereo would go silent for no reason at all. However the Hornet every once in awhile would display a message on the gauges that would disappear so fast I had no idea what it said. Regardless these are very nice car’s and both would be great cruisers for anyone.
CX30 has 2 rear speakers for each side like hornet (not one as said in video). One is on the door and one on C pillar near headrest. Many people miss that. Same for front speakers. In addition to two speakers on the front door, there is one bass speaker hidden under A pillar close to firewall. Bose system has a total of 12 speakers!
Combined MPG as a basis for choosing a car? Plus I just bought a Dodge Hornet GT Plus with leather interior for $37K. Someone had a Mazda bias going into this video. Dodge has a clear performance advantage and a clear hardware advantage
You seem biost against the Hornet from the get go. I have a Hornet GT and I absolutely LOVE it. Take from someone who owns one and not just drove it once. It's a great vehicle!!
I think a lot of its user error. There is no way all these vehicles are that unreliable. Kia and Hyundai has been unreliable for the longest but now all of sudden people buying them. Mazda wasn’t too far behind those two.
@@Turshinand that's why you're a idiot who likes low quality, enjoy the service bay cause that's where the all end up most of the time along with not even being able to service your own battery with a memory saver
Are you serious? Dodge has a reputation of offering massive rebates and discounts to their products. What do you think that does to the resale value? If the average vehicle is worth half of its sticker value and a Manufacturer offers twenty percent off, that means that it has to come from somewhere and its the resale value. This goes for long term zero percent rates... if a new dodge is less to purchase than a two year old dodge, who will buy the used one? Short term buyers think discounts are great.... up to the point they go to trade their trash in....
@@marcymcsheehan3579 That's one side of the coin, what about the other side. The person who waits and buys the Dodge at a 20% discount. If you do the math (using your #'s ) for the Mazda and Dodge at the end of 5 years, the Mazda owner will have lost an additional 1,000 dollars. You could argue that Mazda would retain slightly above the 50% of its value and Dodge slightly below 50%, then that would make both cars with roughly the same depreciation . Again you could argue LOL the cost of repairs out of warranty, so both car's mileage would be roughly between 36,001 miles and 75,000 miles.(15K miles/yr x 5 yrs). The odds that both cars are going to have an expensive repair are very low with Mazda being even lower. For me, it's not enough money difference to sway me from one car to the other, also I never keep a car longer than 4 years so reliability is a non-issue. ( for every comment saying Dodge will break down before 75,000 miles there's one Kia/Hyundai with an engine on fire)
I like the Mazda, a neighbor has one just like the test vehicle in this video. That said, I like the Dodge's interior much better, actually disagree with your opinion regarding which has a more upscale interior. I like the looks of both car's exteriors, but would probably choose the Dodge.
Mazda actually will throw the same codes on the slip test it's an actual diagnostic feature that sets codes it happens when three tires have no traction one wheel spins 9 mph faster than the rest with 15% or less throttle a lot of different brands of vehicles have the same diagnostic function. There is an update that came out 5 months ago about the Dodge Hornet failing the slip test
Mazda needs to admit that their dial infotainment system sucks. Touchscreen is far better and usable, anyone that tries to say the dial is less distracting is just plain wrong. It is absolutely horrible when using CarPlay
It doesn't you're just too stupid with it 😂 how hard is it to plug in , push dial to the right and do what u want on the phone , stop feeling to the need to touch the screen lol
Just leased a hornet rt for $199 per month. Love it so far. I test drove the the cx50 and the 30. The hornet beats them hands down. It's like a little rocket at 0to60 in just over 5 seconds.
There is no question about that.. LOL! The Hornet will be on the back of a Flat Bed disabled enroute to the Dealership for its 1st round of recalls and or TSBS in no time...
I’ve been lucky enough to drive the hornet gt. Stupid fun to drive. I love the thing. But I’ve heard about the issues especially after Tommy tested it on the rollers. I would buy it but they always say never buy the first model year of a new vehicle. And in my opinion there really isn’t a need for the R/T when it costs something stupid like 52 grand. And from what I’ve heard the R/T is slower than the GT so just get the GT in a few years and you’ll be happy.
@@tommymas1 Steven Joe is right on here. The CX-5 and the Hornet are compact class. The CX-30 is a sub-compact, hence the reviewer's comments about the tight back seat and lack of luggage space in the CX-30 compared to the Hornet.
I like the hornet on paper. I just looked at one in person. I hated trying to get in the car. Very low roof line on the front doors had to do a major tuck and roll to get in it. That was a major bummer. I will probably pass.
The CX30 costs 20k less than the RT so yes. That's the one to buy. Either you're a terrible driver, or using 85 gas because your 0-60 time is about 1 second slower than you should be getting in the cx30. Altitude would effect both equally yet somehow the hornet isn't impacted?
Not sure if that hornet is a press car, but automakers have been known to give journalists ringers. That 0-60 seems suspicious given Car and Driver says 0-60 in 6.5 at sea level.
I'd pick the Mazda personally, far better reliability and more premium interior and better price. I'm curious to drive a Hornet though when they hit dealers around me. Maybe a test drive might change my thoguhts!
After owning 6 mazdas in 7 years-yes I drive a lot, I can say-zero issue and zero repairs. Simple maintenance. Dodge, pffft, nobody seriously believes this vehicle will even be around in two years. Ill keep my mazda trend.
My guess is that it will live the same fate as the Omni, Neon, Intrepid, Stratos, Caliber, and Avenger: all dead within 2 generations. It's been the trend for Dodge's economy cars since the 80s
Dodge should have made their transmission perfect like the Honda Accord by making it a 10 speed. The Mazda has the patent skyactiv engine for the best fuel/horsepower ratio. I prioritize quality so I personally prefer the Mazda over the dodge.
You mentioned the high altitude having issue with the performance output. Both engines are turbocharged and both have electronic fuel injection which compensates for the altitude. I don’t think there would be a big difference in performance if any. You mentioned the Dodge doesn’t have any Dodge signage on the car anywhere except the two red bars,and I agree. I did notice when you started the Hornet up, the screen did display Dodge there. I like the look of the Hornet better than the Mazda. I also like the display surface better in the Hornet compared to the Mazda. Performance is pretty close in both. The Hornet is $3000.00 more which is quite a lot. I would have to drive both before making my decision as to which I’d choose, probably neither though. By the way, STOP means STOP not almost. You should edit your ignoring stop signs out of your videos.😳😮
Would I trade in my 2004 Jeep Liberty for one of these? No. The Jeep has a simple 3.7 liter V-6. The vehicles is made with metal, lots of mental, not plastic. The engine is very strong and can carry a lot of cargo without straining the engine. It also has great visibility offering excellent view of the road and traffic. Being simple, it is easy to fix. No special transmission, no special turbo, no electronic break. No tablet/screen but a simple radio (that should be updated with something better one day. It gets reasonable milage for having a big engine. It has already lasted 20 years longer than either of these cars. Why trade down?
@@MrGierigegast not at all, maybe for loaded models or Porsche/Jaguar/Maserati models but almost all luxury compact suvs start in the high $30s to low 40s, Lincoln Corsair, Lexus NX, Mercedes GLB, Infiniti QX50, and a lot more all start at $40k or below.
@@BeauregardPayne that's the key word, "start at". The CX30 being tested is fully loaded which is why it costs $36,000. But going by your own words of "start at" it starts at $22,000, which is very reasonable. You don't have to spend top trim money if you don't want to. The CX30 with the turbo can be had at 33,000 but the press car here is obviously going to be fully loaded. The cars you listed may start the same but would probably require you to option for a few packages to get some of the equipment that the Mazda might have fully loaded...making it cost closer to mid 40s and low 50s (a lot more than the Mazda). For example things like a sunroof, auto brake assist, adaptive speed control, and heads-up display won't be standard equipment on the Lincoln, Lexus, Mercedes, or Infiniti......there's definitely some upgrade packages needed. On the other hand, the Hornet is midgrade and costs $40,000 but can max out at 50,000 which your statement here is totally valid. That is the true ripoff of the century
Dodge should make a hellcat hornet and stuff a hurricane i6 in it and pass it off to Alfa as a Quadrifoglio if they did that I’d take the hornet but I think Mazda design language and those gauges along wit the fit and finish overall will hold up and stay reliable while that hornet will be parked next to all the other 200’s n darts that failed but tried .
Oh wow so great 👍 and very beautiful and the engine 🚂🚒 very strong and powerful for the off 🛣️ road 💪🛣️ or high way and very good 👍 design for the new 🆕 generation hument very easy to drive and comfortable ❤
These tests at 5000ft of elevation are useless for 95% of US drivers. Test it as sea level where majority of population lives in US Also state what brand of Gasoline and what Octane did you use
Dodge hornet Mazda is not as reliable as they use to be I got a 2021 Mazda 3 turbo automatic windows keep losing there memory and at cold start erratic engine idle up n down never seen Mazda like this and I use to own a 6 and a speed three plus they been known to use oil the new turbo 3s
No comparison in fit and finish, especially on the interior design and materials. Also, regarding reliability, there's no doubt the Mazda will trounce it.
There is no comfortable seating position in the CX 30. Started seeing chiropractor. About killed me and all those who drove one in our sales organization.
Crazy how people in the comments are like a broken record, "the Dodge isn't going to last long, because Mazda is Japanese."Like the simping for Japan is insane. Modern cars can last 100K+ miles with proper maintenance nowadays. Let go of the past.
Mazda does not have full analog instrument cluster. The center is a LCD and the sides are analog. It's just so good and crisp looking that it might fool you. Mazda is also way better looking inside and outside.
Hey Kase!! Wow! You have gotten sooo good at doing reviews. This may be your best video yet!! (I haven’t watched TFL Bike lately so can’t say there.) You speak so well and have become quite thorough in the feedback of the vehicle and that’s the most important part here with these two. As much as the Mazda 30 is a bit dated in comparison to the Hornet, the premium feel and responsiveness come through on top as drivability goes. Just too bad for the size of the Mazda, which you were objective about as well. Nice job good sir!! 😊
i had a challenger rt and the only thing i had to replace was a water pump after 7 years. you’ve either never owned one or didn’t do your research on which one to buy.
@@holmieg3435that's a challenger before they suck completely irrelevant to a new one , maybe u should research harder about the trash u represent before commenting 😂 we all know mazda lives beyond any new dodges lol
@@eriknephrongfr8847 Yeah... And the Alfa Tonale the Hornet is based originated on the Jeep Compass platform. Either way, calling it a Fiat is equivalent to calling Lexus a Toyota. While technically true they are not the same thing and don't share all components.
@@eriknephrongfr8847 No, Ford/Lincoln are marketing divisions of the same company (Ford Motor Company), FIAT and Alfa Romeo are separate companies within the Allantis corporate structure, with their own engineering, product development, manufacturing and marketing. Alfa does not have complete independence, though, as it has to operate within corporate guidelines, including the sharing of certain platforms and powertrains with its corporate cousins for cost effectiveness, but nothing like the Bobsey Twins of FoMoCo.
@@davidturgeon2087 In 2017 Autoweek reported the broad platform sharing of all Stellantis brands, including Fiat and Alpha. It’s from February 2, 2017. You seem like a thoughtful fellow, pretend you’re a businessman: not a car guy, a guy who wants to make money. What approach would you take? Ask Rolls and Mini what was chosen. Ask Audi and Bentley and Skoda. What do you think Cadillac has to say on the subject? It’s just business, David.
I owned a 2019 Jeep Cherokee with the same drivetrain that’s in the Hornet and I now own a 2021 Mazda CX5 turbo and I promise you that the Mazda is far superior in every way. The engine is a lot quieter and more refined in the Mazda also. The 9 speed auto in the Hornet is horrible.
I'm the owner of a cx-30 that I purchase on April 1st. It is definitely a car for drivers. It is fun to drive to handling is great and even with the non-turbo option it has more than enough power. Maybe I miss it in your ed. Review, but did you mention that the cx-30 is all-wheel drive and I don't know if the hornet is or not but for some people all-wheel drive is a good thing. For literally decades I was a Mopar fan. However, like many other things nowadays, I just don't have very much faith mopar's ability to build a car that lasts a long time anymore. OTOH The 2.5 skyactive engine in the Mazda is a proven design that they have used for quite some time now and it is very reliable.
As I am typically the only one in my vehicle 85% of the time, rear seat room and enmities is moot. I don't care about playing with included toys on the touch screen either -- give me a couple simple buttons; otherwise, I just want something that works and plays music with a good sound quality. If I don't have to be looking at a screen, leaning to punch the "visual buttons" even better. I prefer to drive, not be distracted by BS. 6 speed or 9 speed, I've had both and could care less as long as it works reliably and doesn't continue hunting up/down as I drive. Having something which feels better quality, more enjoyable to drive, and as well, will more likely have overall better reliability, my choice goes to the CX30 all day long.
"Maybe that's bc I'm a little bit childish" 😂 Me too - as for which? Mazda. Definitely not a Mopar guy, rather have even a Ford before a Hillbilly mobile 😅😂. I mean yeah Rams are neat Looking but meh 🤷
I’ would never give dodge a thought. They always come out with new cars lines to only discontinue them after 3-4 years. Plus, they simply do not last. The Ram trucks can be solid but that’s it. It’s Mazda, Toyota and Honda for me.
If I was spending my money, I would get a lower trim CX-30 with the non-turbo 2.5 but if I was trying to compete with the Hornet it's really a CX-5 that fits the segment better and I would have that in the 2.5 turbo option. The Hornet is a really good Stellantis offering, but if it was my money there's absolutely no way I would buy it. I know build quality and reliability aren't in the same ballpark as the Mazda.
I just bought the 2023 Dodge Hornet GT Plus Black On Black And Blacked out Emblems, Sunroof ,18 Speaker Harman Kardon Sound System And Steering Wheel Paddles,much nicer than the Mazda For Sure With 20 inch wheels
Just a thought that with electric vehicles now everywhere, this test might be out dated, the e cars can get to sixty quickly. For a small SUV type car a good test might be a highway ramp to 60 or 70? I understand it’s always fun to take off from a light.
How ? You're telling me u can't push the little dial over to the right and use your phone ? , must not be very good at things if it's that hard for lol
Re the Mazda 6 speed: with a broad torque band, you don't need a zillion gears. A gear that would be too tall for a peaky engine can be powered just fine with more torque over a wider range.
I'm a Mopar guy from the 70s. The Torqflight transmission prior to 1971 had no part throttle kickdown. My new 71 Demon 340 did. My brother's 70s 340 Dart didn't. Those early transmissions lasted longer because they weren't shifting as often as the 71 transmission. Fast forward to today transmissions. Those 10 speeds are shifting a bazillion times more than a 6 speed thus less durable overall. Compare the 10speed to the 3speed. Wow! Imagine all those extra mechanical cycles! It does help fuel mileage but at the cost of longevity. Yes I did repair my automatic transmissions too. Strictly for drag racing loads.
By 2025, Ford plans on a 36-speed transmission. They claim it will add to the longevity of their cars. I can't disagree, since it will be too busy shifting to actually move the car at all.
The option I chose is to get the Mazda CX-30 non-turbo model for $25,000 out the door. I saved a bunch of money, and 191 horsepower is plenty for this type of vehicle.
i say 190 hp is great for a little suv i just lease a 2024 cx-30 not knowing if i stay with it or not but its so soft and quiet but i nearly totaled it messing with the sport button it gave me an instant take off doing a turn i cant imagine the turbo.
@@robertoperez2222you shouldn’t be allowed to drive sister
@@robertoperez2222 i find sometimes it does weird things turning, one time it gunned it harder than any launch ive done in a turn XD
And you're right. Turbo line of pointless. Cops cars anyway faster 🤣👍
I like the styling of the Hornet in and out, more than the CX30. But I will guess the Mazda quality is much better. Hard choice to pick one over the other.
Credit to both for not having CVT transmissions!
Reasonable concerns. There’s resale as well to think of. That Hornet is expensive and that makes the cost of depreciation painful,,,,. I’m thinking the Mazda will retain more resale.
The Mazda interior design is very nice but getting a bit old compared to the competitors newer models.
If you're having a hard time deciding between a Dodge or Mazda, you don't deserve a Mazda.
@@shitloveaduck its classy, it wont date as badly as badly placed screens and touchscreen hvac.
@@MeliorIlle I've owned(and still own one) a Dodge(Challenger Hellcat) and Chrysler(300 SRT) product for the past 10 years and coming up on 7 years with a Mazda(current gen CX-9). Outside of a rear 02 sensor failure on the Hellcat (a $90 part I changed myself in 20 minutes) all of these vehicles have been flawless. The Mazda for sure is in another league for body panel fit and paint consistency(my biggest complaint with the Hellcat). We have a Signature so the interior design is quit nice as well, but from a reliability standpoint anything out of Dodge/Chrysler running on the LD or LA platforms(their RWD vehicles with ZF 8 Speed trans) are very reliable. The things that matter most are exceptional...engines, transmissions...and they nail the infotainment better than anyone including Mazda who are only so-so, probably my biggest complaint with the CX-9 is the infotainment. It will randomly reboot, randomly stop working through bluetooth until you shot off the vehicle and restart it, and its a bit slow to boot. My worry with the Hornet is its 100% an Alfa Romeo. Dodge probably doesn't put their logo on it just in case is has classic Alpha Romero issues...they don't want to know its a Dodge for that reason. Personally I love many aspects of the Alpha's but they got out of the gate on a bad start when the brand was reintroduced to the U.S. market with electronic gremlin issues being the main culprit, and those are very hard to diagnose and fix. I will agree if you are having a hard time deciding between a Mazda or a Dodge its probably because until the Hornet there wasn't much you would cross shop since their line up only consisted of Challenger, Charger and Durango...and not many people are going to cross shop a CX-9 vs. Durango. The Durango is much larger(interior space), has a V8 option and real towing in a totally different league and there is nothing in Mazda's lineup that you would cross shop with a Challenger or Charger(no one is cross shopping a Mazda 6 and a Charger). Dodge quality today is quite good. Alpha Romero scares me a bit. Time will tell.
@@rocko107me8 That's a cool rant bro, but no one is going to take you seriously at even attempting to argue Chrysler is the same quality as Mazda so you are wasting massive amounts of time.
I own a non turbo cx30 and it’s a great car for my daily 30 minute commute to and from work. After getting used to the screen controls I actually like it way better than my Ram and wife’s Buick touch screens.
That's pretty much the same way. I feel the infotainment screen and the controls look intimidating at first but honestly it only took me about 5 minutes to get everything set the way I wanted it and now I can change inputs, change channels, volume just about anything I need to do without ever having to take my eyes off the road.
I like touch screens but in a vehicle it's a distraction because you have to take your eyes off the road for just a slight moment as you reach for the screen to touch it.
The Mazda is yawn boring styling and doesn't stand out in any way. It's something a non car person buys. The Hornet looks way better and stands out in a sea of boring crossovers. It has way more room and practicality for a daily as well.
I think the Hornet is the right choice for me. I like it more, is much modern because is a new product, and i think looks better. So yes, i'll go with the Dodge this time
Enjoy the service dept. In fact re-direct your mail to go there.
@@Steven-en6uu you’ll be surprised when these are out lasting your car.
I drove a Dodge Charger for four years and only had to replace the tires and brakes. I drove it 20,000 miles annually and never left me stranded. Currently driving a Challenger and love it too.
@@Rosso488 doesn't matter. The build quality along with materials/fit and finish is infinitely better on the Mazda. Plus Mazda is one of the reliable car brands there are. Dodge? Yeah, not so much...
@@reecetbobby5347 I love Mazda but I also love Dodge. They are polar opposites. I’m not arguing Mazdas reliability but rather how reliable your car is. Idk why I said that now tbh it didn’t make much sense. I also think that the Hornet will be pretty good in terms of reliability. I’ve driven both of these cars and they’re both great in different ways. I like the looks of the Dodge a bit more honestly however the CX-30 is also a looker. I don’t think the Mazdas quality is better but rather different. The Dodge has a solid interior and a huge touch screen that seems to be lacking in the CX-30. Now in the time I had the CX-30 the drop charger didn’t work at all and the Bose stereo would go silent for no reason at all. However the Hornet every once in awhile would display a message on the gauges that would disappear so fast I had no idea what it said. Regardless these are very nice car’s and both would be great cruisers for anyone.
Hornet GT 🤘😎🤘
FIAT H !ornet
CX30 has 2 rear speakers for each side like hornet (not one as said in video). One is on the door and one on C pillar near headrest. Many people miss that. Same for front speakers. In addition to two speakers on the front door, there is one bass speaker hidden under A pillar close to firewall. Bose system has a total of 12 speakers!
No highs, no lows, must be Bose.
He said speakers on the door, not in the rear.
@@mrsteve4313 what does it matter whether it has two speakers on the door. He clearly makes reference to the number of speakers for rear seats.
@@broeheemed32 I am quite happy with it. Better than my mb c series and ML320cdi’s standard speakers.
@@broeheemed32 Harman Kardon,14 speakers I just bought one
The 2023 Dodge Hornet in made in Naples Italy alongside the upcoming Alfa Romeo Tonale.
Combined MPG as a basis for choosing a car? Plus I just bought a Dodge Hornet GT Plus with leather interior for $37K. Someone had a Mazda bias going into this video. Dodge has a clear performance advantage and a clear hardware advantage
I am going with the Dodge Hornet over the Mazda CX-30 simply because I am a Dodge/Mopar fan!
Enjoy the service bay , the smart people who own the better brand haven't seen in it 😂
a dodge with a 4 cyl is cringe
Enjoy your Alfa Romeo snicker
You seem biost against the Hornet from the get go. I have a Hornet GT and I absolutely LOVE it. Take from someone who owns one and not just drove it once. It's a great vehicle!!
I'm sure it is. It's just that the Mazda is better. It's the #1 rated subcompact SUV in Car and Driver for a reason.
Tell me the Hornet is great 5 years from now 😂
If the chassis is similar and as good the stelvio this will be a hit.
@@allentoyokawa9068 it’s actually an Alfa Romeo
@Allen Toyokawa it's not fiat no more .....wake up
Hornet is a good sporty crossover seems like. Especially GT for the price but realibility would be suspect
Mazda all day long, for quality and reliability
That's right
Mazda for reliability.
JD power puts Dodge over Mazda for reliability ratings.
^lmaoooooooo💀Having Buick as the 4th best brand tells you all you need to know about JD Power...
@@DONVITO223 JD Power are shills for whoever pays them...
I think a lot of its user error. There is no way all these vehicles are that unreliable. Kia and Hyundai has been unreliable for the longest but now all of sudden people buying them. Mazda wasn’t too far behind those two.
Oh because consumer reports told you too. Sheep
The Mazda is a better choice as it won't be in the shop as much as the Fiat/Dodge, and the AWD system on the Mazda is a better unit
@Philip Wood FIAT is still under stellantis but I would still choose the Dodge over the Mazda.
@@Turshinand that's why you're a idiot who likes low quality, enjoy the service bay cause that's where the all end up most of the time along with not even being able to service your own battery with a memory saver
@@Turshinwhy would you ever choose a dodge over a car known for it's reliability
Well it's been a year and the hornet has proven to be reliable so far
I have the Hornet and love it it goes it will surprise many drivers and gets the right attention
Curious about the resale values after 3 years and 5 years. Of the two which would return a higher percentage back to your pocketbook?
Are you serious? Dodge has a reputation of offering massive rebates and discounts to their products. What do you think that does to the resale value? If the average vehicle is worth half of its sticker value and a Manufacturer offers twenty percent off, that means that it has to come from somewhere and its the resale value. This goes for long term zero percent rates... if a new dodge is less to purchase than a two year old dodge, who will buy the used one? Short term buyers think discounts are great.... up to the point they go to trade their trash in....
@@marcymcsheehan3579 that’s my point! These tidbits of info should be talked about in these reviews!
Spoiler Alert: The Mazda will be much higher I can assure you
@@marcymcsheehan3579 That's one side of the coin, what about the other side. The person who waits and buys the Dodge at a 20% discount. If you do the math (using your #'s ) for the Mazda and Dodge at the end of 5 years, the Mazda owner will have lost an additional 1,000 dollars. You could argue that Mazda would retain slightly above the 50% of its value and Dodge slightly below 50%, then that would make both cars with roughly the same depreciation . Again you could argue LOL the cost of repairs out of warranty, so both car's mileage would be roughly between 36,001 miles and 75,000 miles.(15K miles/yr x 5 yrs). The odds that both cars are going to have an expensive repair are very low with Mazda being even lower. For me, it's not enough money difference to sway me from one car to the other, also I never keep a car longer than 4 years so reliability is a non-issue. ( for every comment saying Dodge will break down before 75,000 miles there's one Kia/Hyundai with an engine on fire)
@@Rich-xq3uv thank you. I think ppl like to rag on Chrysler vehicles just to here themselves speak.
We have a copy 30 and a Hornet plus selling the cx30 now getting another Hornet love it much more tec and alot more comfortable on long trips
I like the Mazda, a neighbor has one just like the test vehicle in this video. That said, I like the Dodge's interior much better, actually disagree with your opinion regarding which has a more upscale interior. I like the looks of both car's exteriors, but would probably choose the Dodge.
Whatever happened with the hornet breaking down at the slip test?
Supposedly it "only" needs a software update. Went back to check the license plate, it's still the same vehicle.
Oh yeah...the pre production vehicle they tested...Lmao...Good try
Mazda actually will throw the same codes on the slip test it's an actual diagnostic feature that sets codes it happens when three tires have no traction one wheel spins 9 mph faster than the rest with 15% or less throttle a lot of different brands of vehicles have the same diagnostic function. There is an update that came out 5 months ago about the Dodge Hornet failing the slip test
Mazda needs to admit that their dial infotainment system sucks. Touchscreen is far better and usable, anyone that tries to say the dial is less distracting is just plain wrong. It is absolutely horrible when using CarPlay
It doesn't you're just too stupid with it 😂 how hard is it to plug in , push dial to the right and do what u want on the phone , stop feeling to the need to touch the screen lol
I love my cx30 only thing I don't like is the 12 gallon gas tank other than that it's a great reliable car
Yes! I hate the tiny tank. I love my carbon edition though. My 2012 mazda3 has a 15-gallon tank!
Mazda has one of the worst infotainment systems in the auto industry !
The hornet had so much potential but in true dodge fashion they blew it by making it overpriced and as reliable as a fiat
Just leased a hornet rt for $199 per month. Love it so far. I test drove the the cx50 and the 30. The hornet beats them hands down. It's like a little rocket at 0to60 in just over 5 seconds.
Leasing the hornet makes sense, if you must have one
The question is: which would last longer?
Ya. And break down less while you own it. Or retain its value better.....Quickness isn't in my top five purchase criteria.
There is no question about that.. LOL! The Hornet will be on the back of a Flat Bed disabled enroute to the Dealership for its 1st round of recalls and or TSBS in no time...
These jokes gets old
@@dkbaker121 people who have never owned a fiat saying things about fiat again I guess
i used to have a dodge challenger with the 5.7. only issue it ever gave me was a water pump after 7 years of no issues
I’ve been lucky enough to drive the hornet gt. Stupid fun to drive. I love the thing. But I’ve heard about the issues especially after Tommy tested it on the rollers. I would buy it but they always say never buy the first model year of a new vehicle. And in my opinion there really isn’t a need for the R/T when it costs something stupid like 52 grand. And from what I’ve heard the R/T is slower than the GT so just get the GT in a few years and you’ll be happy.
Thanks! But I think a CX-5 vs Hornet would be a better comparison.
No. The CX-5 is next larger class. CX-30 is right comparison.
@@tommymas1 Steven Joe is right on here. The CX-5 and the Hornet are compact class. The CX-30 is a sub-compact, hence the reviewer's comments about the tight back seat and lack of luggage space in the CX-30 compared to the Hornet.
Are you smoking? lol these are both CUVs .
CX-30 all the way between those 2, overall CX-5 is the definitive choice.
I like the hornet on paper. I just looked at one in person. I hated trying to get in the car. Very low roof line on the front doors had to do a major tuck and roll to get in it. That was a major bummer. I will probably pass.
The CX30 costs 20k less than the RT so yes. That's the one to buy.
Either you're a terrible driver, or using 85 gas because your 0-60 time is about 1 second slower than you should be getting in the cx30. Altitude would effect both equally yet somehow the hornet isn't impacted?
Not sure if that hornet is a press car, but automakers have been known to give journalists ringers. That 0-60 seems suspicious given Car and Driver says 0-60 in 6.5 at sea level.
I really like the CX-30. I love the Hornet name, I just wish it was on an AMC inspired car.
Id get the Mazda, mainly because its not trying to be something its not.
Dodge didn’t even change a side panel or rear end from the Alfa .
That's because dodge isn't calling the shots anymore.
@@Welcometofacsistube Good, because Dodge was doing a shit job.
But when Toyota and Lexus does the same thing people love it.
More Alfa looks is a good thing! Don't knock it.
You mean like Nissan and Infiniti. Honda and Acura. Toyota and Lexus. Chevrolet and Cadillac.
I'd pick the Mazda personally, far better reliability and more premium interior and better price. I'm curious to drive a Hornet though when they hit dealers around me. Maybe a test drive might change my thoguhts!
Can you please do comparison between lexus ux and mazda cx 30?
None at that ridiculous price.. but if I had to the Mazda.. I had a 2016 Cx-5 and it was an amazing car for us.
After owning 6 mazdas in 7 years-yes I drive a lot, I can say-zero issue and zero repairs. Simple maintenance. Dodge, pffft, nobody seriously believes this vehicle will even be around in two years. Ill keep my mazda trend.
My guess is that it will live the same fate as the Omni, Neon, Intrepid, Stratos, Caliber, and Avenger: all dead within 2 generations. It's been the trend for Dodge's economy cars since the 80s
only problem with Mazda is rust
Dodge should have made their transmission perfect like the Honda Accord by making it a 10 speed. The Mazda has the patent skyactiv engine for the best fuel/horsepower ratio. I prioritize quality so I personally prefer the Mazda over the dodge.
$40k???
Hornet all day
You mentioned the high altitude having issue with the performance output. Both engines are turbocharged and both have electronic fuel injection which compensates for the altitude. I don’t think there would be a big difference in performance if any. You mentioned the Dodge doesn’t have any Dodge signage on the car anywhere except the two red bars,and I agree. I did notice when you started the Hornet up, the screen did display Dodge there. I like the look of the Hornet better than the Mazda. I also like the display surface better in the Hornet compared to the Mazda. Performance is pretty close in both. The Hornet is $3000.00 more which is quite a lot. I would have to drive both before making my decision as to which I’d choose, probably neither though. By the way, STOP means STOP not almost. You should edit your ignoring stop signs out of your videos.😳😮
Would I trade in my 2004 Jeep Liberty for one of these? No. The Jeep has a simple 3.7 liter V-6. The vehicles is made with metal, lots of mental, not plastic. The engine is very strong and can carry a lot of cargo without straining the engine. It also has great visibility offering excellent view of the road and traffic. Being simple, it is easy to fix. No special transmission, no special turbo, no electronic break. No tablet/screen but a simple radio (that should be updated with something better one day. It gets reasonable milage for having a big engine. It has already lasted 20 years longer than either of these cars. Why trade down?
CX-30
$40k for a Dodge or Mazda compact suv? …no
that is the going rate these days. If you want premium brands you are looking at 60-90K easily.
@@MrGierigegast not at all, maybe for loaded models or Porsche/Jaguar/Maserati models but almost all luxury compact suvs start in the high $30s to low 40s, Lincoln Corsair, Lexus NX, Mercedes GLB, Infiniti QX50, and a lot more all start at $40k or below.
@@BeauregardPayne that's the key word, "start at". The CX30 being tested is fully loaded which is why it costs $36,000. But going by your own words of "start at" it starts at $22,000, which is very reasonable. You don't have to spend top trim money if you don't want to. The CX30 with the turbo can be had at 33,000 but the press car here is obviously going to be fully loaded. The cars you listed may start the same but would probably require you to option for a few packages to get some of the equipment that the Mazda might have fully loaded...making it cost closer to mid 40s and low 50s (a lot more than the Mazda). For example things like a sunroof, auto brake assist, adaptive speed control, and heads-up display won't be standard equipment on the Lincoln, Lexus, Mercedes, or Infiniti......there's definitely some upgrade packages needed.
On the other hand, the Hornet is midgrade and costs $40,000 but can max out at 50,000 which your statement here is totally valid. That is the true ripoff of the century
Dodge should make a hellcat hornet and stuff a hurricane i6 in it and pass it off to Alfa as a Quadrifoglio if they did that I’d take the hornet but I think Mazda design language and those gauges along wit the fit and finish overall will hold up and stay reliable while that hornet will be parked next to all the other 200’s n darts that failed but tried .
200s and darts! you nailed it mane.
Oh wow so great 👍 and very beautiful and the engine 🚂🚒 very strong and powerful for the off 🛣️ road 💪🛣️ or high way and very good 👍 design for the new 🆕 generation hument very easy to drive and comfortable ❤
This car is no joke 🤡. I love ❤ it. The engineers did a great job 🏆🥇👏
These tests at 5000ft of elevation are useless for 95% of US drivers.
Test it as sea level where majority of population lives in US
Also state what brand of Gasoline and what Octane did you use
Dodge hornet Mazda is not as reliable as they use to be I got a 2021 Mazda 3 turbo automatic windows keep losing there memory and at cold start erratic engine idle up n down never seen Mazda like this and I use to own a 6 and a speed three plus they been known to use oil the new turbo 3s
…this is the Alfa Romeo Tonale, and it's been given a bit of a corporate redesign by Dodge to fit it into their design portfolio….
No comparison in fit and finish, especially on the interior design and materials. Also, regarding reliability, there's no doubt the Mazda will trounce it.
There is no comfortable seating position in the CX 30. Started seeing chiropractor. About killed me and all those who drove one in our sales organization.
Crazy how people in the comments are like a broken record, "the Dodge isn't going to last long, because Mazda is Japanese."Like the simping for Japan is insane. Modern cars can last 100K+ miles with proper maintenance nowadays. Let go of the past.
no they don't stop telling yourself that
The Mazda falls on its face after 5 k Mazda always known for that need to manual shit with the actual shifter bet you get 5 1/5 sec 0 to 60
If you are testing Turbos it does not matter at your mile high elevation . compared to a NA .
Respectable 0-60 for the Hornet at 5000 feet. (6.14) At sea level could very well be mid fives. Not bad.
Cx-30 is 5.7
Dodge all day.
Enjoy the service bay trash 😂 that's why the review test it light up like a Christmas tree 😂
Yeah, those pesky signal stalks can be hard to understand...
Mazda does not have full analog instrument cluster. The center is a LCD and the sides are analog. It's just so good and crisp looking that it might fool you.
Mazda is also way better looking inside and outside.
Correct. My mom bought a CX30 and didn't even realize it was a screen until I told her lol
The Mazda literally has an animation on the center LCD during start up. It’s not fooling anyone
Mazda needs to update the Cx-30 exterior a little!
You got it wrong its not a dodge its a Alfa look it up!!!?
Hey Kase!! Wow! You have gotten sooo good at doing reviews. This may be your best video yet!! (I haven’t watched TFL Bike lately so can’t say there.) You speak so well and have become quite thorough in the feedback of the vehicle and that’s the most important part here with these two. As much as the Mazda 30 is a bit dated in comparison to the Hornet, the premium feel and responsiveness come through on top as drivability goes. Just too bad for the size of the Mazda, which you were objective about as well.
Nice job good sir!! 😊
Agree 100% He has a bright future.
I'll go with the Dodge, The Mazda is very expensive to maintain and repair.
I know the Hornet/Fiat will be quickest to the service dept.! 😂
Based on what empirical data ?
@@steves259 Dodge/Stelantis track record in Consumer Reports-
That dodge can eat shit. The Mazda is bulletproof and you can drive it hard all day.
I thought Tommy broke that Hornet .......rofl !
Ford blinkers do that same thing
u get used to it
Which one will outlive the loan with little worry? Mazda definitely 💯😂😂
Has the Hornet passed the slip test, yet? If that is the same 9 speed as in the Cherokee, forget it!!!
Would take the CX-30 over the Hornet any day of the week. Dodge products are pieces of junk and will leave you stranded lol.
i had a challenger rt and the only thing i had to replace was a water pump after 7 years. you’ve either never owned one or didn’t do your research on which one to buy.
@@holmieg3435that's a challenger before they suck completely irrelevant to a new one , maybe u should research harder about the trash u represent before commenting 😂 we all know mazda lives beyond any new dodges lol
Why is traction control on? Smh... Do this without traction control bro!!
Wouldn't want either. Hornet; cheaply made Fiat piece of crap and Mazda is nice but too small.
It's actually an Alfa Romeo not a Fiat, bit of a difference there.
@@rudolphna54 Right. Fiat and Alpha aren’t related and don’t share platforms. They’re every bit as distinct as Ford and Lincoln. 😂
@@eriknephrongfr8847 Yeah... And the Alfa Tonale the Hornet is based originated on the Jeep Compass platform. Either way, calling it a Fiat is equivalent to calling Lexus a Toyota. While technically true they are not the same thing and don't share all components.
@@eriknephrongfr8847 No, Ford/Lincoln are marketing divisions of the same company (Ford Motor Company), FIAT and Alfa Romeo are separate companies within the Allantis corporate structure, with their own engineering, product development, manufacturing and marketing. Alfa does not have complete independence, though, as it has to operate within corporate guidelines, including the sharing of certain platforms and powertrains with its corporate cousins for cost effectiveness, but nothing like the Bobsey Twins of FoMoCo.
@@davidturgeon2087 In 2017 Autoweek reported the broad platform sharing of all Stellantis brands, including Fiat and Alpha. It’s from February 2, 2017. You seem like a thoughtful fellow, pretend you’re a businessman: not a car guy, a guy who wants to make money. What approach would you take? Ask Rolls and Mini what was chosen. Ask Audi and Bentley and Skoda. What do you think Cadillac has to say on the subject?
It’s just business, David.
I owned a 2019 Jeep Cherokee with the same drivetrain that’s in the Hornet and I now own a 2021 Mazda CX5 turbo and I promise you that the Mazda is far superior in every way. The engine is a lot quieter and more refined in the Mazda also. The 9 speed auto in the Hornet is horrible.
My 9 spd is just fine thanks.
@@steves259it's not at all , it's sad that they need 9 speeds just to be compared to a simple 6 speed 😂
The gap in reliability will be staggering
yep , Mazda is real rust bucket
@@coltr7561 ill take rust over american junk
@@DrPepperCooled4090 well, its not american
Mazda all day
Mazda no way.
If mazda had a dual clutch, it would be even quicker!
I'm the owner of a cx-30 that I purchase on April 1st. It is definitely a car for drivers. It is fun to drive to handling is great and even with the non-turbo option it has more than enough power. Maybe I miss it in your ed. Review, but did you mention that the cx-30 is all-wheel drive and I don't know if the hornet is or not but for some people all-wheel drive is a good thing.
For literally decades I was a Mopar fan. However, like many other things nowadays, I just don't have very much faith mopar's ability to build a car that lasts a long time anymore.
OTOH The 2.5 skyactive engine in the Mazda is a proven design that they have used for quite some time now and it is very reliable.
As I am typically the only one in my vehicle 85% of the time, rear seat room and enmities is moot. I don't care about playing with included toys on the touch screen either -- give me a couple simple buttons; otherwise, I just want something that works and plays music with a good sound quality. If I don't have to be looking at a screen, leaning to punch the "visual buttons" even better. I prefer to drive, not be distracted by BS. 6 speed or 9 speed, I've had both and could care less as long as it works reliably and doesn't continue hunting up/down as I drive.
Having something which feels better quality, more enjoyable to drive, and as well, will more likely have overall better reliability, my choice goes to the CX30 all day long.
"Maybe that's bc I'm a little bit childish" 😂 Me too - as for which? Mazda. Definitely not a Mopar guy, rather have even a Ford before a Hillbilly mobile 😅😂. I mean yeah Rams are neat Looking but meh 🤷
For my money give me the Mazda over this great value alfa
I’ would never give dodge a thought. They always come out with new cars lines to only discontinue them after 3-4 years. Plus, they simply do not last. The Ram trucks can be solid but that’s it. It’s Mazda, Toyota and Honda for me.
If I was spending my money, I would get a lower trim CX-30 with the non-turbo 2.5 but if I was trying to compete with the Hornet it's really a CX-5 that fits the segment better and I would have that in the 2.5 turbo option. The Hornet is a really good Stellantis offering, but if it was my money there's absolutely no way I would buy it. I know build quality and reliability aren't in the same ballpark as the Mazda.
Feels like hornet should be compared to cx50
I'm just waiting for the first person in the dodge that tries to race me 😂. Always the Dodge drivers trying to race my X5M Comp 😅
The Hornet has better everything in this video I would rather get a Jeep Wrangler for that press are some other V8 backwell drive.
Yo, I’m wearing the corduroys, a black hoody, and boots watching this 😂 swag jocker
In for mazda
Quality of the interior of the Hornet is not great? But it is an Alfa Romeo, can't be that bad.
The Mazda is lower to the ground, that's why it gets slightly better fuel economy.
I just bought the 2023 Dodge Hornet GT Plus Black On Black And Blacked out Emblems, Sunroof ,18 Speaker Harman Kardon Sound System And Steering Wheel Paddles,much nicer than the Mazda For Sure With 20 inch wheels
not much nicer though
Mazda CX90 has a bouncy rear suspension. Haven't driven CX90 yet. Does that also have a bounce bounce rear end? 😢
I like the Mazda but I'd definitely pick the sadly, Italian Dodge.
Just a thought that with electric vehicles now everywhere, this test might be out dated, the e cars can get to sixty quickly. For a small SUV type car a good test might be a highway ramp to 60 or 70? I understand it’s always fun to take off from a light.
ill take reliable gas over an ev time bomb
Mazda all day. Cheap Italian cars don’t have a good reputation unfortunately.
the non-touch screen in mazda rules it out for me. Mostly because I like CarPlay and it's really hard to use in the Mazda.
Actually incorrect. Mazda enables the touchscreen if you're using Carplay
How ? You're telling me u can't push the little dial over to the right and use your phone ? , must not be very good at things if it's that hard for lol
Re the Mazda 6 speed: with a broad torque band, you don't need a zillion gears. A gear that would be too tall for a peaky engine can be powered just fine with more torque over a wider range.
Don’t like the big open space where they should’ve put the screen in the Mazda
Cause it ain’t a dodge.
I'm a Mopar guy from the 70s. The Torqflight transmission prior to 1971 had no part throttle kickdown. My new 71 Demon 340 did. My brother's 70s 340 Dart didn't. Those early transmissions lasted longer because they weren't shifting as often as the 71 transmission. Fast forward to today transmissions. Those 10 speeds are shifting a bazillion times more than a 6 speed thus less durable overall. Compare the 10speed to the 3speed. Wow! Imagine all those extra mechanical cycles! It does help fuel mileage but at the cost of longevity.
Yes I did repair my automatic transmissions too. Strictly for drag racing loads.
By 2025, Ford plans on a 36-speed transmission. They claim it will add to the longevity of their cars. I can't disagree, since it will be too busy shifting to actually move the car at all.